Mehidrivan never thinks before making a decision. She goes with her emotions, not reason. It always backfired, but she never learned. While there are many details and circumstances surrounding who becomes sultan, she set her son up for failure.
Не обрекала махидевран своего сына на неудачу что за глупость она его правильно воспитала и очень часто нуждалась в его защите а кто ещё не мог защитить от рыжей хюрем его убила хюрем со своей дочей и Рустамом хоть как вела бы себя махидевран хюрем давно хотела избавиться от Мустафы весь корень зла в хюрем
I agree. Mahidevran was so bitter and so full of envy that she shared that with her innocent son. From the very beggining she spewed venom in his ear whereas Hurrem at least tried to keep her children out of it. Mahidevran is as much to blame as Sulieman, had she just accepted her roll in the royal family she might have lived to see her son on the throne, but she did everything in her power to seperate Mustafa from every other person who couldve loved and cared for him so that she could manipulate him however she chose too. Had Hurrem been his mother im sure hed have sat the throne, its too bad just as she said.
And who should to blame? Who steal Mustafa's sign? Selim? But some people make me laugh😑 I just agreed that Mahidevran should to blame Mihrimah but who say to Mihrimah to betray her brother? Cihangir?
ATTENTION! Mahidevran’s relatives are spreading lies on Mahidevran HATUN, trying to make Princess and Haseki out of her. Don’t listen their lies and READ HISTORY. Mahidevran’s grandchild contacted historians to make them change history, but his lies were debunked, as he didn’t have FACTS confirming his words. Later he contacted NataliaAnrepp and paid her to write lies on Hurrem and Mahidevran. Natalia’s lies were also debunked ny all historians.
Those who are blaming Mahidevran will never understand her pain. You can't judge her just based on tv series. History shows that she had nothing to do with Hurrem's childrens' death and had no one except her son Mustafa. Some say the whole city heard Mahidevran's crying after her son's death. Well, who wouldn't, afterall, no mother gives birth to a child to see him being killed by his own father.
I didn't say she was the only one who lose child or she was fully innocent. I just pointed out the fact that historically she didn't kill other princes.
@@shahnozaxoliqberdiyeva9114from the videos I found, they said there's no evidence that she killed or ordered to kill a prince. But there were a lot of rumors about her having a lot of bottles with poisons and diseases. What is the true?? Only Mahidevran would know, after all books can be altered, and rumors can exaggerate the true.
She never suffered any consequences to her actions until Mustafa died. How many times did she abuse and almost kill Hurrem but nothing was ever done? But hurrem was only suspected and was sent away every single time. It was due time Mahidevrans got what she deserved.
I think it was because she didn’t really hide her mistakes, especially her big ones. She was actually rather careless in making and trying to conceal her mistakes. For example when she tried to poison hurrem while hurrem was eating with the sultan. By law placing poison anywhere near the sultan could have had her beheaded
Mahi cussing and cursing Suleiman for his greed for power and wealth as if she herself was ever free from that same greed which was the cause of her downfall. 🤣🤣 Who wasn't spared from greed? But each handled that vicious emotion differently and Hurrem proved to be the most clever one. Hate her or love her, she used her head wisely.
well it was easy for her to be honest. She had 4 sons. Also you cant really say that she won at the end as well. Noone won at the end but Selim, Hurrem also did not want Selim to be the Sultan, she wanted Beyazid. Suleyman didnt want Selim as well he was unhappy with his life because of what he did to his family and Mihribah was sad af too since her beloved brother got killed by her drunk brother. Well in real life Mihribah was also another winner since she was very powerful after Selim, she was like Valide Sultan for Selim, but in the show noone but Selim won.
Hureem had her priorities right. Survival instincts helped her and also like you said she's smart. She survived to protect Suleyman and then her children. The rest would just fall into place ....
Yeah that line was pretty wtf. Lady, he didn’t kill your son cuz of some land and money. He killed your son cuz your son wanted to overthrow him and become king (or at least as far as Suleyman was aware). Did you really think Suleyman wouldn’t fight back and would just roll over and let him take it?
@@a_galcthe land and money == throne There was a prophet i forgot his name asked between his power and his son. The prophet said even if you give me an earth equal of gold it cant be compared to my son, and the prophet at that time if not mistaking he was a king
Mahidevran got really humbled while she was in old age. More precisely she got humbled after her son was killed, and she lost her grandchild and her daughter in law. After she lost everyone, only then her abitions died. What a pity, she could have lived a better life if she let go of bitterness and abition sooner
Even ambition can be understood But too much of her greed& jealousy and the constant evilness& cruelty she showed throughout the series..esp against hurrem ,suleima and mehmet She got mehmet killed since she knew that if mehmet was left to live..the throne rightfully would have gone to him only She kept poisoning mustafs mind since his childhood day ..thereby provoking him against his father often ..finally led to his death Hurrem always reminded her children not to rebel against suleiman because he was not only their father but the padisha But mahi devil did the opposite and practically pushed her son to death She never knew when to stop
Selim restored her finances when he became the ruler, that's history. So she didn't have to live her final years in poverty and could do some charity, too.
@@ashikhanassar3577 In reality Suleiman was faithful to Hurrem, he never took another lover, that is why AFTER his momțs death he married Hurrem against all tradition and made her Haseki- he invented this role for her so that she could be considered as high as valide sultana. The series mispresented him and Hurrem, yasak as they say. He was a wise person and a true leader- sent Mahi away from the very begining after she beat Hurrem and remained faithful to her- a different picture, you see?
If i could remember, Fidan was once Hurrem helper. She ended up with Mahidevran. Also, Fahriye (Diana) was once Mahidevran Helper and ended up with Hurrem. Both very loyal to their sultana
Sultan Suleyman never got over the passing of his beloved Hurrem, he mourned her every day for the final 8 years of his life, after which he would join her in death.
In my opinion they were both victims trying to survive a horrible situation. Both enslaved, both dealt a nasty hand with a little "love the sultan" sugar. Mahidevran hated and humiliated Hurrem on sight and from day one. But that was because of the situation she had been placed under, forced to get used to "her" man not being hers. Valide was eager to put her down until Hurrem proved more vivacious than was comfortable for her ego and precious "order." As for Mahidevran, she hated Hurrem for taking Suleyman while Gulfem never crossed her mind, but she "did" the same to her ( Gulfem) as Hurrem "did" to her. I say "did" because in reality none of them could have refused even if they wanted to. Valide was just as vicious and played them against each other. Even Hatice who was angelic turned vicious. Why? Because in a system like that you grow fangs or you withered into oblivion like Gulfem. What kind of life is that? Gulfem, she had been the first, the mother of Suleyman's first child, but when that child died no one cared about her and she quickly faded and was little more than a servant, mostly ignored. When she told Hatice about wanting to die and knowing no one would even notice she wasn't there I ugly cried. And Mahidevran dared hate Hurrem? And Hurrem dared hate anyone who may in turn displaced her? Gulnihal? The only real friend she ever had? Yes, that's the way it was. The 2 did their best, as did them all , servants, princes and princesses. And concubines too. Even Suleyman's situation was untenable in many cases. His mother referenced the wholesale killing of his siblings by his father and the constant fear that he may himself be executed. Then as a Sultan Padisha he was out of his depth, trying to be different, fair, not make his father's mistakes, but with every intrigue in his palace inching closer to becoming his father. And small wonder! Everyone there was attempting manipulate him, or to maneuver to position themselves where they could best manipulate him for their benefit. As for Hurrem at first I felt sorry for her, but then she turned just as vicious and cruel as Mahidevran and the Valide. Had they not been forced to compete like this, they may have been great friends, they were so alike in many ways. Hurrem was simply a little smarter and more strategic. But also just luckier. How many times was she at the edge? I pity them all, regardless of the wealth and influence they may have enjoyed, not one person in that palace could ever truly have peace. Always having to watch your back is a horrible way to live I know. Worse if you were ripped away from your people, your country your religion and forced into this world were you had no real value. Even the nobility, supposedly not enslaved, were slaves to the system and its mechanisms. We see these in the British Royal family even today. Frankly, it's a wonder they all managed to get as far as they did sane. Both the Ottomans and the British crown. Power over people has a steep price.
20:35 Poor Mahidevran, It was so emotional to see her having someone by her side till now. In a palace full of conspiracies, she was not the only evil one.Everyone did their part of evil deeds but It was so unfortunate of her that she didn’t got anyone beside her. Fidan was the only exception.
What? I like her character, but Mahidevran literally had a whole group of powerful people who protected her. Ibrahim, Hatice, Valide...she relied on them for everything.
Did u not watch the series properly? She literally poisoned Hurrem from the start and everyone covered for her and gaslighted Hurrem into thinking she only got a bit sick from eating food so what are u talking about that she didn't have anyone beside her to back her up??
But wasn't this the same wealth and power she wanted to enjoy and pushed her son towards her goal? She pushed her son to his death.. wicked, foolish woman... Always blaming others for her misfortune
Excuse me that her son right he is the crown prince and the oldest already protected his right is no crime she did not tried to kill the sultan in real life she didn’t even killed mehemet but even if she did that is just to protect him she has that right the evil thing for a father to kill his own flesh and blood as well as for hurrm she didn’t has any rights in the throne for her children she said that is to protect them put killing your own brother in not only mustafa right if he became the sultan that is her children right that mean they can’t kill each other just like slem did
It is profoundly horrible and borderline misogynist how people blame Mahidevran... People say that she filled Mustafa with hatred and yet it wasn't her son who betrayed Suleyman, or who waged war against the brother, or who plotted to kill a sibling. They speak how she wasn't a good mother and yet her son was beloved by entire empire. Even in this situation, she did nothing wrong. becoming a victim of someone else's plot and yet the people blame her. For what? For loving someone who loved someone else. Did she have a chance to move on? No. Could she have left and perhaps find some love and happiness on another place? No. All she could do was to watch a man she loved, a father of her son, falling in love and living happily with another woman, and she had to be a first-hand witness to all of it. Can you imagine living with your ex and their new partner under the same roof? The difference between Mahidevran and Hurrem was never intelligence. It was love. Suleyman loved Hurrem and that was the end of it. At the end, she fought for her son's survival. And the man she spent her entire life loving, hopelessly, turning her love into poison, killed her son, her grandson, separated her from her granddaughter, left her penniless. And she is the villain, stupid and God knows what? I don't think so.
What gets me is Midhievran had Hurrems child exposed to a deadly disease and he died which the death of mustafa due to hirrems constant doubt she shared to suleman called it even However I like both sons and wished for a different outcome
Even though I hate Mahidevran and known her the actual reason that Suleiman and Mustafa's relationship got broken and lead to Mustafa's death , I still kinda feel bad for her she lost everything
@NoQue Q a woman gave her a mirror as a gift that it was said if the owner committed a great sin ( killing memed) the mirror would break and terrible curses would fall on her and her family.
@@payelmitra4276 If you see the serial no one ask to steel the seal to Mihirimah. She came to help her mother and Rustem with her wish because of previous episode incident. She realised her self if Mustafa get throne what will happen to her and brothers.
@@payelmitra4276 That's the proof of my above statement. Hurrem never put bad thought about Mahidevran in to her children. But Mahi always screw his son to harm Hurrem children. Of course he was rejected that many times. But if he became Sultan. He would definitely kill Hurrem all prince's at once and exile Hurrem and Mihirimah.
@@payelmitra4276 Mihrimah was more cunning than those two brothers, so I think she actually understood how bad it could get for them if Mustafa was Sultan with Mahidevran as Valide.
To be fair, Mahidevran KNEW she was a concubine in a harem full of concubines. She was not his wife, he had never said he loved her as far as the show showed, nor had he ever promised her to not sleep around. What “dignity and self respect” can she really have when all she ever was and continued to be was someone’s side chick? The only thing that was different about her was the fact she had a son - and she was given status and benefits because of it. Why should Suleyman be blamed for falling in love with someone else, enough to actually marry them?
Sulieman disconnected from his whole family, three sisters and his brother. His best friend, two former lovers and their children. He was not a good guy in my books.
Hurem too tried killing prince mustafa many times but she failed, you can't blame mahidevran, her husband was snatched from her in a very young age when her son was 3yrs old or whatever the age was. She was living a peaceful life that turned into miserable just after a few years of her married life til death
Mahidevran in her hatred, jealousy, and greed from time to time play a part in the death of her son. Mustfahah loved his mother, but he was unaware of a lot of her actions.
@@wtrujillo9250 By that logic then Suleiman and all of her sons too weren't Sultan material. Hurrem was doing everything behind Suleiman's back. Hurrem's manipulative nature, her scheming, and all the murders and attempted murders she engaged in; they all happened right under Suleiman's roof.
Bobbie Hatred, greed ,jealousy are human traits. In all fairness, Mahidevran too had these traits. But she was not alone on this planet to have these traits. I wonder why you left Hurrem out. I think Hurrem too was greedy. She did attack many women whom Sulaiman courted. And above all, Hurrem was manipulative. Not to mention ruthless too. Mustafa was not an ordinary young man. He was the eldest son of a reigning Sultan. That made him the strongest claimant to the throne. And being the strongest claimant to the throne courted many enemies, naturally. In one scene,Ibrahim went to Mustafa's chamber and literally dragged Mustafa from the latter's bed and insisted on Mustafa"s going to Friday prayer Mustafa ,being shot blooded young man actually did not realise the implication of his not going to Friday prayer. He was young and underestimated the threat to his life ,position. In one scene, Mahidevran reminded him that the revival of naval base need an explicit approval of the Sultan . Mustafa meant well. Only he did not see that his action of reviving the naval base to counter Portuegese threat would be viewed As mounting a challenge to Sultan's authority. Again in all fairness, Sulaiman was ruthless to Mahidevran. He forgot that Mahidevran gave birth to his eldest living son. Having a son strengthened his position in royal court. Well this is history. I am quite sure that should Sulaiman live again( hypothetical) he would not have killed Mustafa. He would be merciful to Mahidevran. He would spare his son's life out of respect to Mahidevran. Remove Mustafa from throne,maybe. But spare his life in respect to the memory of Mahidevran. Both Mahidevran and Hurrem suffered. Mahidevran lost everything in this cruel game of rhrone. But Hurrem suffered too. Her slander against Mustafa also took Cihangir's life. But not importantly, the death of Mustafa intensified the deadly rivalry between Beyazid and Selim. Hurrem was punished by living to witness the rivalry. She knew one would them would be killed eventually. With Mustafa not in picture, both Selim and Beyazid felt threatened by each other. And what a poetic justice. In one breathtaking scene, Hurrem bowed to amahidevran and sought her forgiveness Here ,a Sultana who won the decade old game of throne finally bowed to her chief rival who lost practically everything in her life.
@@abuyounus242 Hi Mahidevran’s bottt and your faaake account Shamshual! Hurrem loved and supported Suleiman always, she was always loyalll to him. Mahidevran only wanted power, she was eviiil and died alooone and pooor! karmaaaaaa!
@@shamshulanuar7718 Hi Mahidevran’s bottt and your faaake account Shamshual! Hurrem loved and supported Suleiman always, she was always loyalll to him. Mahidevran only wanted power, she was eviiil and died alooone and pooor! karmaaaaaa!
On one hand, Mahidevran wasn't wrong. But she still did everything that she did too. She openly schemed against the throne, openly threatened Hurrem and thus her children, openly schemed against Hurrem for YEARS. What did she expect? Nobody was innocent, including Mahi, but unlike everyone else who can at least cop to the evil they did to try and stay in power, she cried and blamed everyone else for her mistakes. Now she too is reaping what she's sewn, but she's still crying for justice. She is getting justice.
@@yahyakhalid6160 My point is still this: she's done the very things she was shown sobbing on the floor over. In the end, the only person who ever had any power in that palace was him, and he didn't really care who he hurt. Everyone else was just trying to survive, but there's no need to be a hypocrite.
@@viastephtopI agree with you. Mahidevran never took responsibility for anything she did. She did the exact same things she complained about everyone else doing.
Mahindra is today's woke people..conspire against others and when Lord punish cry out loudly blaming& cursing others..it's like training session..how king must be impartial ..king done right thing about mahidevran
In real life, all the daughters of Mustafa were moved to old palace by the order of valide hurrem sultan. Mahidevil was left all alone. Then Suleiman married them all, of course after discussing it with his wife.
Mahidevran knrw the rules from the very beginning. Even if she gave birth to the first prince, Suleyman was going to keep sleeping with different women and have more children. I understand if she's jealous, Hurrem was too. But she shouldn't do anything sbout it. She hated Hurrem so much that she tried to kill her. Would she have acted the same if It was somebody else other than Hurrem? So after she hit Hurrem causing her major injuries when she lost her child, which was not Hurrem's fault but her own, Sukeyman told her he does not want to see her anymore. She ruined the relationship with Suleyman herself. She spent all her life blaming Hurrem, even for the things she didnt do. She had a misranle life because of this.
But Hurrem did the same to other women?! Like her friend Gulnihal, she burned her face and almost killed her. And she slapped Isabella, stalked her, harassed her, tried to kill her on at least two different times(with the venomous snake and infecting her with the plague), and then kidnapped her. Is that any different from what Mahi did? Are we supposed to side with Hurrem because she is the main character? It's just infuriating
Gulfem was Suleymans first Sultana and birthed his first son but he died at birth. Gulfem didn't act the way Mahi did when she became the favourite and birthed a prince.
Obviously mahidevran is a woman full of bitterness, her ambitions brought his son to death. While hurrem never keep her eye on the throne but keep sulieman alive and his children protected at the end she die in peace in the arms of sulieman.
Real Yahya, if he existed, would never say such things to Suley. He woudn`t even think like that! - it`s all for drama here. Moreover, Mahi could never keep her head on, if she kept doing all those sh*tty things that were shown in the film. She would have been beheaded already in that episode when she tried to poison pregnant Hurrem! and rightly so, for those times and customs! Not to mention trying to become a political rebel, - that was completely impossible for Mahi, and she never had that nerve, too. Because quarrels of jealous women is one thing, and gathering an army against great sultan is a different one. :)
Every character here is grey . But with the death of Mustafa who took the biggest hit ? Mahidevran? Yes but not the most. Sultan Suleiman? He from the beginning favoured Mehmat . The Ottoman Empire? Yes .The decline began with a weak ruler not interested in politics aka Selim 2. I don't blame Hurram who played a crucial role in Mustafa being deprived of his rightful claim to the throne and later death . But Sultan Suleiman and his greed for power and blindness to his probable true love which led the beginning of the empire's end . Mehmat died of chicken pox according to Wikipedia ( which I know is not a reliable source) but there might be a possibility that Mahidevran was not involved in Mehmat ' s maybe it was Sultan himself.
Suleiman's taking away of all of Mahidevran's money and property did nothing to make her change her ways. She learned to make do with what little she had left. Later, when Suleiman visited Mustafa's shrine, Mahidevran was unrepentant, and really gave Suleiman an earful of what she thought. She outlived Suleiman, Hurran, all their children. Mahidevran was probably laughing at all of them, on her death bed.
Hahahahaha! Mahidevran died alone and poooor, she lived worst life! And everyone was laughing at her! Hurrem and Suleiman died happy and powerrful, and Mahidevran in 🗑️
@@islemfrikhi4863 I'm atheist but I'm sure that don't exist God that so easily can forgive one father that kill two sons (real Suleiman killed Bayezid too)
@@islemfrikhi4863 hahahahaha! Mahidevran lost everything. She is the one paying with her life! She died pooor and lonely, as Hurrem, Suleiman and their children died happy and powerrful. Cryyy
Mahidrevan just had so much grudge against Hureem that she couldn't see the evilness in herself. She blamed everybody especially suleyman and Hureem for her own dire straits except herself. She not only caused herself so much pain but her son's and grandson's deaths too which she blamed it on Hureem and suleyman. But actually it's her own doings. She surrounded herself with all the most power hungry and greedy people who had no conscience or morals just like herself. Birds of the same feathers flock together ... She tried to play the victim of hureem and suleiman but actually she's the victim of her own greed and power hunger. It's very sad that even at the end she cursed and blamed suleyman and hureem for everything that happened to her, Mustafa and grandson. Evil deeds beget evil consequences ....
It's sad though the way these men treated them and just put aside she did some things but I don't think she did all these things in real life fabricated for the show she was a really fascinating woman I wish these shows would actually put the truth
Let's be honest, to what I see, Mahidevran was at fault for the death of Mustafa because if she hadn't fked around with Hurrem this wouldn't have happened but even so we all know Mustafa was indeed the Heir and if Mahi would become the Valide, and so on, Hurrem would be in danger aswell as her children, even so if Mustafa were to defend his brothers , being the bad idea Mahidevran to be the Valide, she would soon get what she wants, which is Hurrem's suffering and aswell for the other heirs aka the Princes ,but just like one episode where Haseki Hurrem Sultan said "I wish you were my son" to Mustafa proves she never had any anger building up from Mustafa and all that she worried about was all Mahidevran, Mustafa aswell never had wanted this things to happen,If Mahidevran had never showed or said all those kind of drama to Mustafa maybe Mustafa would never have been forced to actually also see Hurrem as an enemy, Mahidevran went all crying to Mustafa accusing Hurrem on things that she fricking started!,And ofcourse being Mustafa OFCOURSE He would believe his mom, what I'm trying to say is Mahidevran started the game and Hurrem had to end the game in any way, she did this all for her children's sake, she had to wash blood from her hands, she had to be merciless, she had to sin on SO many kinds of things, therefore again Mahidevran did this ALL to herself and to his son, she was the reason for the death of her own son, she was the reason for the torment for her son,and aswell she is the reason for the deaths and incidents, many people trusted her and liked her just like Valide, she liked her and so she defended Mahidevran and decided to join the game because of all Mahidevran's drama then guess what Valide died, then there goes all other victims of Mahidevran's games, thou many people might disagree with my point of view and this comment might start a war of disagreement I reccomend that if you disagree with me just leave this comment be ,I don't need or we don't need no drama or anything we all have different sides, for me I side on Hurrem or maybe in some case I side on no one but If I have to really choose I would choose Haseki Hurrem Sultan.
Finaly show Mahidevran became stronger as she reassure Nergissah in a very touching way. In history it was Sah - the granddaughter probably the least fortunate - who was forced to marry ( it seems that she was not happy for this wedding , understable as she didn't contest that Mihrimah and Suleiman forbade all signs of happiness in her wedding because of Bayezid death but on this other way she couldn't said anything as she has nothing against her grandfather if she want to fight him the consequence would be disastrer for her, her mother and her grandmother) but she die young maybe giving birth to her only daughter. I always wondering what she was thinking by seing Suleiman and Hurrem and vice versa. Nergissah never have children to her husband. One - Sah- is dead before her grand mother and there is a probabilty of her other grandaughter too die before Mahidevran. Could you imagine how hard was her life? I won't survive in her place but yet she she managed to live to be 81 a feat - but it could be a curse because at this time if you live until this years you have the risk to survive to your childrens and maybe your grandchildrens-. That's one of the reason I consider the historical Mahidevran very brave. Suleiman both in history and show horrible to her ( in the show he didn't want to know her version just like her son and in history it was because he blame her for the death of Mustafa). Thanks Selim to do the right thing and repare the mistake of your father. But what I don't like is that in the show it's more about remorse for what he did in the rebellion (and this heroizes Bayezid) while in the history he took risks for her as he circumvented Suleiman's ban by helping her ( it could have gotten him in trouble).
It's your fault at the first place mahidevran when his majesty was in bed fighting for his life your after of the throne and even planed to kill all hurrem children every act there is always consequences.
I wish I had sympathy for Mahidevran, but I just can't. She talks of wanting justice for everything that happened to her without realizing that it is justice. She tried multiple times to kill Hurrem and her children or have the kids taken away from her. She tried to take Valide's place in the harem and sunk it into debt. She manipulated her son and ultimately got him killed. This...having her money and her family taken from her...is justice. She just doesn't want to acknowledge it because it doesn't suit her.
Dear old Mahedeveran ! First to murder a Prince, can’t take what she dished up. Shame but she was kept alive to keep th storyline going. The real Mahedeveran did ok, Selim kept her in comfort and she did outlive them all I believe 😂😂😂
Suleiman and hurrem were more guilty and evil than mahidevran ever was which is a fact Hurrem stole Suleiman from her, Suleiman now stole her son as well as grandson just because hurrem said him which was the most cruel thing one could ever do
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Wait guys, okay Mahidevran wasn’t a saint but she suffered more than enough in her life. Losing Suleiman, having a miscarriage, watch hurrem steal the man she loved. She spent her life being humiliated. Okay she involved mustafa too soon but not everyone can deal with the cruelty of the harem and the game of throne. At the end, she is just a woman who lost her family and land, then the man she loved, and always feared for her son. She just couldn’t handle the might of all this burden. She is misunderstood and deep down, she isn’t that bad
It astounds me how everyone has no empathy for Mahidervan. If Hurrem would have lost, she'd act the same way smh. And it's actually obvious that she's grown and matured here, idk why people say she hasn't
I have empathy for her yes, she was trying to keep her son alive just like Hurrem was. But her interest in keeping her son alive also made her act more rash; she was quick to act or speak first then think about the consequences later. Like poisoning Hurrem at the sultans own table, that alone could have been seen as a threat to the sultan and would have had her killed if Ibrahim hadn’t protected her. She always blamed Hurrem for making her rash and she later acknowledged that Suleiman made her rash too. She blames them for her downfall and just from listening to her conversation just now with Atmaca she still won’t admit that her rash decision played a part in her losses too. The whole thing is just sad and I blame the ottoman infanticide policy for it
@@ucky9675 Many of Mahidervan's actions were reckless, and frankly, idiotic. I don't think she was the best player in the game of harem politics, but I do understand why she went so hard to protect Mustafa. As for not being able to take ownership for her actions, I think a lot of people would be bitter if they were in her situation. Some would accept fault, but not all. Logically, I think it's easy to see how someone would end up feeling as she did
I have some empathy for her because she had to navigate in a pretty brutal system. My exasperation about her is because of her recklessness, lack of reflection, and blind hatred of Hurrem. When Hurrem came to the palace, Mahidevran had everyone's support and she had it for a LONG time while Hurrem had to fight and scrape for supporters for years after. Mahidevran was not wise about how to use that support to her advantage. She should have made it her business to at least keep Sulieman's respect as the mother of his eldest son, even if she couldn't keep his love and full attention. She broke that respect early by her treatment of Hurrem and her subsequent behavior did little to bring it back, even when she had the chance to. And she had multiple chances to. She also should have kept her son strictly out of harem politics instead of trying to use him as a threat against Hurrem. All she did was put a great big target on his back. Hurrem was also reckless in the beginning, but she also learned from her mistakes and acknowledged that she made them. And even though Mahidevran remained a thorn in her side for years, she learned how to calibrate her response to her. Mahidevran never learned this, she seldom acknowledged her mistakes and rarely learned from them and it's frustrating to watch.
Matured??Now way Mahi devil was funding the rebels and u cant call it maturity anyway Mahi devil capable of committing crime after crime..recklessly But when they back fire...blame it on hurrem & cry...this had been her character all along Remember...she killed mehmet to clear mustafas way to the throne Dont know why ppl forget it so easily
might have despised mahidevran in the beginning but eventually hurrem went on to do things worse than her. said it episode 45 and will say it now, poor mahidevran was unlucky the most unfortunate of all. that poor thing had to live to watch valide die, hatice die, her daughter in law and son die, her grandson die. history and many viewers label hurrem as the stronger one but for me mahidevran is the stronger one, the ultimate hero. that poor woman had the worse life one could possibly imagine. she was robbed off her love, abandoned, she lost her son, daughter in law and grandson and probably many other injustices that go unsaid and unheard of. such a strong valiant woman she was.
Yall acting like Hurrem didnt plan to kill Mustafa before Mahidevran even killed Hurrem's son.And not everybody had confidence to lead like Hurrem does.Mahidevran was never evil,she became evil when Hurrem came to palace and actually started the beef.Also hurrem have done so many mistakes but Sulejmana didnt punish her in any way bc she kind of did manipulated him
Apapun saya tetap respect Mahidevran. Dia berjaya mendidik anak dia dengan baik . Cuma Sulaiman yang gagal dalam percaturan terlalu percaya dengan Hurrem. Walaupun Hurrem banyak membunuh dan mengintip rahsia kerajaan. Hirrem terlalu tamak nak anak dia yang memerintah . Sedangkan Mustafa putra sulong dan berkelayakan .
Yes mahidevran never stand for her rights but always felt jealous of hurrem bcoz hurrem was beautiful with talent;mahidevran firstly hated to hurrem,hurrem talked without fear with suleman,She gave full of love for suleman and she had given proof in her full life to everyone enemies and also to Suleiman
I can't stand Suleiman unfairness for Mahi. As as Muslim Suleiman should leve her a home and some money it doesnt matter she is slave or free traitor or greedy she is weak woman who lost her child!
The fun thing is that Hürrem left her everything, Selim will give her again a dignifited life. And in real history are more possibilites that Hürrem hurt Mustafa when Mahidevran never hurt Hürrem's kids. Maybe for this Selim had mercy on her
@@DimSK. you can't see this to 100%. Many historians are agreed that she could had her part in Mustafa's death with Mihrimah and Rustem. It's 50% and 50%.
I don't know why, when they all saw the cruelty of hurrem, her rudeness, and her ambitions, they still blamed poor Mahidevran!hurrem threw acid on her friend's face and killed many people!!! I really hate her😤
Hurrem is to blame because she started wars with everybody in the first 3 episodes. But the actress is so perfect, she makes Hurrem lovable and victim.
@@nlmmlnm nope. Everybody started a war with Hurrem. Looked at how she was treated in the first episodes. They made a monster out of her. Well, (almost) everyone is a monster here. The difference is Hurrem is the victorious monster, the rest is simply loser monsters
@@eleanakaori8457 Mahideveran's reaction to hurrem was natural i don't know why people forget how hurrem reacted to every women who went to privy chamber after her , she behaved crazily, attacked them ,threw acid on maria's face ,etc, even if a lot of things are fabricated in this drama, everyone in the imperial palace was pathetic kind of victim. Fatricide law make them cruel. If you won't kill you will get killed.there was no love or affection in this palace only survival game and greed.There are no villians or heroes in this series only victims one way or the other,women were victims of slavery ,protecting their kids fearing for their lives mahideveran, hurrem, nurbano, and countless others, blame ottoman man who make set such a system,harem,fatricide law and cruelty of humans instead of blaming mahiveran or hurrem.
@@namra7957 One thing I hated about this drama is how much they dramatized the Harem infighting. I think a more historically accurate portrayal with the drama of politics and history would have been wonderful, instead we got constant cat fights. 🙄
Mustafa's biggest problem was his mother. had she treated Hurrem with respect, none of her problems would have occurred. Hurrem was acting for the safety of her children. Mustafa's death was a byproduct of her and hatred of Hurrem and Hurrem's need to protect her children.
Ok i just have to say it; for him to say the brother he knew wouldnt even hurt a fly baffles me. That man is respnsible for soooo many lives lost, hes got more blood on his hands than we can even imagine, but i guess many of those killed were infidels their lives dont matter. Yet they also lost many many soldiers in the wars he caused by wanting to conquer the world so again he has so much blood on his hands its not even imaginable.
Yeah, she did. Once a prince goes to a province as a ruler, his mother is going with him and she acts like a Valide Sultana would act in the main palace- you know, she rules the harem. That's why Nergissah called her grandma a Valide Sultana. Plus, Hürrem died before Süleyman so she couldn't be Selim's Valide Sultana. Mihrimah ruled his brother's harem instead
@@DimSK. Hürrem is the Haseki Sultan. Was she the mother of the current sultan, she would be the Valide Sultan but she couldn't because she died before Selim sat on the throne. She was married to Süleyman, which made her become a Haseki Sultan, but she couldn't see her son reign
I hate Suleiman and hurrem.Mahidevran was Mustafa's mother, but Suleiman never valued her, so she became jealous. I feel really sorry for Suleiman who kicked out his good wife and kept the cruel,and jealous hurrem in the palace until she destroy every thing.i hate them alot .
Never heard Mahidevran was generous to the poor when she in her last gold coins would give it away for the people. When she would starve for the making of Mustafas grave and paying her servants. If the rebels are the sultan’s poor people, the government may be messed up. Why would HIS PEOPLE rebel against him in the first place tho. Mahidevran surely wouldn't care if they are Suleimans rebelled people. Would you care about ur baby daddy after he has killed Ur son? Absolutely, Who cares! I'd go with Bayezid thoughts about here too. Because I have not seen 1 episode in where Mahidevran was a helping hand to the rebellion. 😅 Either mustafa who was framed. Changing history is a different turn. But I love how easy is Suleiman to believe without diving in the document 😂 without opening without reading 💁 Shows how easy he is to be manipulated, you only will need communication skill & strategy. How could I wonder he has been a controllable tool to ibrahim & hurrem 😂
I don't which of the woman was actually winner but I know who lost - Ottomon empire. Both suffered death of their children, had to do despicable things to survive and were actually dependent on their husband's love for security. If he liked someone else off they go. One died quite young with illness which was quite painful with no cure and where death was relief, another lived long life watching multiple death of her loved one. Deep down they were same. For all those blaming Mahidevran, she lost a grown up son. She was going to lash out and others had to back down. It is always difficult for mom to lose a child but to lose someone who is at age where aging mom see them as hope is double tragical. In Marathi grown up child is called aged parent's walking stick (someone who will cherish and take care of them). for all the magnificent rule emperor will always be known as someone who committed sin of killing his child for no real reason. Her step son either feared bad fate awaiting or hated his dad and decided to help her.
all over jealousy how did these women live in a harem and still have jealousy over each other knowing that the sultan will probably sleep with all of them at one time or another. she ruined her sons future with it. its a shame.
In the childhood episodes, mustafa was a good and well mannered child.. But mahidewran changed it.. Only She wanted to be a valide..not a good mother for her only son
This women was all good untill they had to fight for everything if Alexandra had have it her way she would have stayed in her russian village with her family and married Leo but she became a slave and later not nice at all the same with Kossem if they had let her live her life as Anastasia in Greece she would have stayed a good person. I blame the men for all this
Mahideveran writer potray her as a ambition mother dreams her son will be sultan & her plan to punish hurrem & her chidren ..but hurrem do everything to protect her children ..Actualy sulaiman knows about mahidevran plan ...😮
I feel pity for all women's conditions in the past.. whether hurrem or mahidevran, they had been kidnapped and obliged to live in the Ottoman Empire.. they could have a really good and peaceful life, but neither of them lived happily. They lived an unwanted life; what a pity 💔
I feel bad fot Mahidevran. Both Hurrem and Mahi were the victims of the system. Yes Mahidevran was more evil but still if she would have been treated well she would not have been so bad.
It is really unbelievable how can anyone like hurram.. I think these ppl who r liking n supporting are like her only. That's why can't see her evil deeds and missions cunningness. Shameful
Mahidevran was such a despicable character. She doesn't have the wits and brains yet blames everything on everyone else. She's the problem. She wasn't made for harem.
Mahidevran tried to be as smart and strategic as Hürrem but she was just not the kind of woman who have the pride and brave to stand up towars a man of tgose times, her ambition and empty jelousy make her take the wrong actions and be pretty evident about it, she was the one who most compare Mustafa with Hürrem's children on disaventage to Mustafa. She make the wrong rants and tantrums to Suleyman so he get tried of her. Although it is really sad how she lost everything little by little.
Mehidrivan never thinks before making a decision. She goes with her emotions, not reason. It always backfired, but she never learned. While there are many details and circumstances surrounding who becomes sultan, she set her son up for failure.
She is not smart at all
Не обрекала махидевран своего сына на неудачу что за глупость она его правильно воспитала и очень часто нуждалась в его защите а кто ещё не мог защитить от рыжей хюрем его убила хюрем со своей дочей и Рустамом хоть как вела бы себя махидевран хюрем давно хотела избавиться от Мустафы весь корень зла в хюрем
I agree. Mahidevran was so bitter and so full of envy that she shared that with her innocent son. From the very beggining she spewed venom in his ear whereas Hurrem at least tried to keep her children out of it. Mahidevran is as much to blame as Sulieman, had she just accepted her roll in the royal family she might have lived to see her son on the throne, but she did everything in her power to seperate Mustafa from every other person who couldve loved and cared for him so that she could manipulate him however she chose too. Had Hurrem been his mother im sure hed have sat the throne, its too bad just as she said.
Mahidevran never changed, never admitted her mistakes, she always cried and blamed Hurrem.
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And who should to blame? Who steal Mustafa's sign? Selim? But some people make me laugh😑 I just agreed that Mahidevran should to blame Mihrimah but who say to Mihrimah to betray her brother? Cihangir?
Hurrem tho mahaedoran je ke khilaf sazish kari thi
How many people has hurrem murdered? And she’s never taken blame
Mahidevran involved Mustafa in her jealousy and greed. Mustafa knew she killed Mehmet but he stayed quiet. They were same.
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ATTENTION! Mahidevran’s relatives are spreading lies on Mahidevran HATUN, trying to make Princess and Haseki out of her. Don’t listen their lies and READ HISTORY. Mahidevran’s grandchild contacted historians to make them change history, but his lies were debunked, as he didn’t have FACTS confirming his words. Later he contacted NataliaAnrepp and paid her to write lies on Hurrem and Mahidevran. Natalia’s lies were also debunked ny all historians.
It was hurrem's plan to save his son and impose all guilt on Mahidevran lol
Those who are blaming Mahidevran will never understand her pain. You can't judge her just based on tv series. History shows that she had nothing to do with Hurrem's childrens' death and had no one except her son Mustafa. Some say the whole city heard Mahidevran's crying after her son's death. Well, who wouldn't, afterall, no mother gives birth to a child to see him being killed by his own father.
Like Mahidevran was the only one to lose a child. NOBODY INNOCENT.
I didn't say she was the only one who lose child or she was fully innocent. I just pointed out the fact that historically she didn't kill other princes.
@@shahnozaxoliqberdiyeva9114from the videos I found, they said there's no evidence that she killed or ordered to kill a prince. But there were a lot of rumors about her having a lot of bottles with poisons and diseases. What is the true?? Only Mahidevran would know, after all books can be altered, and rumors can exaggerate the true.
She had a daughter too, Raziye Sultan, who was her daughter actually.
I totally agree..
Mahidevran wasn't the only person in this story who made mistakes and crimes... But unfortunately she was unfortunate compared with others.
Right...
Spill
She never suffered any consequences to her actions until Mustafa died. How many times did she abuse and almost kill Hurrem but nothing was ever done? But hurrem was only suspected and was sent away every single time.
It was due time Mahidevrans got what she deserved.
@@bobthecat2404 Hurrem too. She lost Chihangir.
I think it was because she didn’t really hide her mistakes, especially her big ones. She was actually rather careless in making and trying to conceal her mistakes. For example when she tried to poison hurrem while hurrem was eating with the sultan. By law placing poison anywhere near the sultan could have had her beheaded
Yahyah gave him a reality check
14:45 "As long as I have a place to live and a bit of food, that's enough." My thoughts about life. Exactly.
If she had realized this long ago, so much of cruelty could have been avoided
and a nice bible
@@silarising9055why bible? The characters are muslims!
@@aronsmith2688Is it not allowed for Muslims to read the Bible? Not like she was gonna re-convert lol
@@iDeathMaximuMIIand where did I say that she was not allowed to read a bible?
Mahi cussing and cursing Suleiman for his greed for power and wealth as if she herself was ever free from that same greed which was the cause of her downfall. 🤣🤣 Who wasn't spared from greed? But each handled that vicious emotion differently and Hurrem proved to be the most clever one. Hate her or love her, she used her head wisely.
Agreed. 👍
well it was easy for her to be honest. She had 4 sons. Also you cant really say that she won at the end as well. Noone won at the end but Selim, Hurrem also did not want Selim to be the Sultan, she wanted Beyazid. Suleyman didnt want Selim as well he was unhappy with his life because of what he did to his family and Mihribah was sad af too since her beloved brother got killed by her drunk brother. Well in real life Mihribah was also another winner since she was very powerful after Selim, she was like Valide Sultan for Selim, but in the show noone but Selim won.
Hureem had her priorities right. Survival instincts helped her and also like you said she's smart. She survived to protect Suleyman and then her children. The rest would just fall into place ....
Yeah that line was pretty wtf. Lady, he didn’t kill your son cuz of some land and money. He killed your son cuz your son wanted to overthrow him and become king (or at least as far as Suleyman was aware). Did you really think Suleyman wouldn’t fight back and would just roll over and let him take it?
@@a_galcthe land and money == throne
There was a prophet i forgot his name asked between his power and his son.
The prophet said even if you give me an earth equal of gold it cant be compared to my son, and the prophet at that time if not mistaking he was a king
I really appreciate how just hurrems sons were to Mahidevran despite the history between Hureem and Mahi.
Hurrem tells Mahidevran that her children will always respect and be there for her when she’s in need. Mahidevran chose to keep the war going.
Salute to those even without benefits still stays loyal and true 👍
This film is so stunning
Mahidevran got really humbled while she was in old age. More precisely she got humbled after her son was killed, and she lost her grandchild and her daughter in law. After she lost everyone, only then her abitions died. What a pity, she could have lived a better life if she let go of bitterness and abition sooner
Even ambition can be understood
But too much of her greed& jealousy and the constant evilness& cruelty she showed throughout the series..esp against hurrem ,suleima and mehmet
She got mehmet killed since she knew that if mehmet was left to live..the throne rightfully would have gone to him only
She kept poisoning mustafs mind since his childhood day ..thereby provoking him against his father often ..finally led to his death
Hurrem always reminded her children not to rebel against suleiman because he was not only their father but the padisha
But mahi devil did the opposite and practically pushed her son to death
She never knew when to stop
isn't it that womanizer king making these women monsters? than so called king is using n number of women and playing with their emotions.
Well the series is kinda biased mahidevran never killed Mehmet and she was famous for kindness and generosity
Selim restored her finances when he became the ruler, that's history. So she didn't have to live her final years in poverty and could do some charity, too.
@@ashikhanassar3577 In reality Suleiman was faithful to Hurrem, he never took another lover, that is why AFTER his momțs death he married Hurrem against all tradition and made her Haseki- he invented this role for her so that she could be considered as high as valide sultana. The series mispresented him and Hurrem, yasak as they say. He was a wise person and a true leader- sent Mahi away from the very begining after she beat Hurrem and remained faithful to her- a different picture, you see?
19:13 oh Atmaca! What have you been through, man! A soldier by heart. RESPECT!
Who is him? And who is yusuf to him?
@@lightofeyezz the son of someone he had to kill
Ño..atmaca was a true traitor
If i could remember, Fidan was once Hurrem helper. She ended up with Mahidevran. Also, Fahriye (Diana) was once Mahidevran Helper and ended up with Hurrem. Both very loyal to their sultana
As the first time is so heartbreaking see Nergişsah left her grandma🖤
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Sultan Suleyman never got over the passing of his beloved Hurrem, he mourned her every day for the final 8 years of his life, after which he would join her in death.
If after death suleman came to know what hurrem did to everyone behind his back he would never want to meet her in after life.
Even after loosing everything this vile lady had not an ounce of self guilt for her sins instead she was cursing everybody around her
Она не мерзкая дама хюрем мерзкая
Mahi always has to play the victim. She has blamed Hurrem from day one for everything.
Hurrem always played victim card infront of sulaiman saying m a mother of your 5 children
In my opinion they were both victims trying to survive a horrible situation. Both enslaved, both dealt a nasty hand with a little "love the sultan" sugar. Mahidevran hated and humiliated Hurrem on sight and from day one. But that was because of the situation she had been placed under, forced to get used to "her" man not being hers. Valide was eager to put her down until Hurrem proved more vivacious than was comfortable for her ego and precious "order."
As for Mahidevran, she hated Hurrem for taking Suleyman while Gulfem never crossed her mind, but she "did" the same to her ( Gulfem) as Hurrem "did" to her. I say "did" because in reality none of them could have refused even if they wanted to. Valide was just as vicious and played them against each other. Even Hatice who was angelic turned vicious. Why? Because in a system like that you grow fangs or you withered into oblivion like Gulfem.
What kind of life is that? Gulfem, she had been the first, the mother of Suleyman's first child, but when that child died no one cared about her and she quickly faded and was little more than a servant, mostly ignored. When she told Hatice about wanting to die and knowing no one would even notice she wasn't there I ugly cried. And Mahidevran dared hate Hurrem? And Hurrem dared hate anyone who may in turn displaced her? Gulnihal? The only real friend she ever had? Yes, that's the way it was.
The 2 did their best, as did them all , servants, princes and princesses. And concubines too. Even Suleyman's situation was untenable in many cases. His mother referenced the wholesale killing of his siblings by his father and the constant fear that he may himself be executed. Then as a Sultan Padisha he was out of his depth, trying to be different, fair, not make his father's mistakes, but with every intrigue in his palace inching closer to becoming his father. And small wonder! Everyone there was attempting manipulate him, or to maneuver to position themselves where they could best manipulate him for their benefit. As for Hurrem at first I felt sorry for her, but then she turned just as vicious and cruel as Mahidevran and the Valide. Had they not been forced to compete like this, they may have been great friends, they were so alike in many ways. Hurrem was simply a little smarter and more strategic. But also just luckier. How many times was she at the edge? I pity them all, regardless of the wealth and influence they may have enjoyed, not one person in that palace could ever truly have peace. Always having to watch your back is a horrible way to live I know. Worse if you were ripped away from your people, your country your religion and forced into this world were you had no real value. Even the nobility, supposedly not enslaved, were slaves to the system and its mechanisms. We see these in the British Royal family even today. Frankly, it's a wonder they all managed to get as far as they did sane. Both the Ottomans and the British crown. Power over people has a steep price.
Mustafa dId worse,things and always played
victim. @@romanaiqbal10
You hurrem fans are so deluded
20:35 Poor Mahidevran, It was so emotional to see her having someone by her side till now.
In a palace full of conspiracies, she was not the only evil one.Everyone did their part of evil deeds but It was so unfortunate of her that she didn’t got anyone beside her. Fidan was the only exception.
Lol, she was hiding behind everyone
What? I like her character, but Mahidevran literally had a whole group of powerful people who protected her. Ibrahim, Hatice, Valide...she relied on them for everything.
Did u not watch the series properly? She literally poisoned Hurrem from the start and everyone covered for her and gaslighted Hurrem into thinking she only got a bit sick from eating food so what are u talking about that she didn't have anyone beside her to back her up??
Fidan was a slave and she couldn’t walk away lol. She as forced to be there
She had plenty beside her who protected her/ her issue was her lack of wit and fighting power
But wasn't this the same wealth and power she wanted to enjoy and pushed her son towards her goal? She pushed her son to his death.. wicked, foolish woman... Always blaming others for her misfortune
Excuse me that her son right he is the crown prince and the oldest already protected his right is no crime she did not tried to kill the sultan in real life she didn’t even killed mehemet but even if she did that is just to protect him she has that right the evil thing for a father to kill his own flesh and blood as well as for hurrm she didn’t has any rights in the throne for her children she said that is to protect them put killing your own brother in not only mustafa right if he became the sultan that is her children right that mean they can’t kill each other just like slem did
Lockman was a faithful servant 🥰🥰🥰🥰
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It is profoundly horrible and borderline misogynist how people blame Mahidevran...
People say that she filled Mustafa with hatred and yet it wasn't her son who betrayed Suleyman, or who waged war against the brother, or who plotted to kill a sibling. They speak how she wasn't a good mother and yet her son was beloved by entire empire. Even in this situation, she did nothing wrong. becoming a victim of someone else's plot and yet the people blame her. For what? For loving someone who loved someone else. Did she have a chance to move on? No. Could she have left and perhaps find some love and happiness on another place? No. All she could do was to watch a man she loved, a father of her son, falling in love and living happily with another woman, and she had to be a first-hand witness to all of it. Can you imagine living with your ex and their new partner under the same roof? The difference between Mahidevran and Hurrem was never intelligence. It was love. Suleyman loved Hurrem and that was the end of it.
At the end, she fought for her son's survival. And the man she spent her entire life loving, hopelessly, turning her love into poison, killed her son, her grandson, separated her from her granddaughter, left her penniless. And she is the villain, stupid and God knows what? I don't think so.
On point! ❤
What gets me is
Midhievran had Hurrems child exposed to a deadly disease and he died which the death of mustafa due to hirrems constant doubt she shared to suleman called it even
However I like both sons and wished for a different outcome
Should have taken earlier when she killed Mehmet.
by that time, mustafa still alive ofcourse mustafa will give her his money
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Éxactly.If only suleiman had put mahidevran in her place from the beginning,probably she wouldnt have grown so audacious
World map would have been different if Mustafa was alive
Even though I hate Mahidevran and known her the actual reason that Suleiman and Mustafa's relationship got broken and lead to Mustafa's death , I still kinda feel bad for her she lost everything
selim gave her a life after he got the throne and a monthly income.
Mahidevran outlived Hurrem and Suleman, furthernore her cash was restored to her by Selim.
He really made her suffer.
She should have known when the mirror broke that she brought a curse on herself and anyone associated with her.
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@@lilymasood3067 ?
@NoQue Q a woman gave her a mirror as a gift that it was said if the owner committed a great sin ( killing memed) the mirror would break and terrible curses would fall on her and her family.
Mahidevran has a VICTIM MENTALLITY.
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Yes she does
And you have a loser one.
8:05 the only one who called Mahidevran valide sultan except herself😂
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As Hurrem said before she didn't put bad thoughts about Mahidevran on her Children head. That's why they helped her.
Is that the reason she used mihrimah to steal mustafa's seal?
@@payelmitra4276 If you see the serial no one ask to steel the seal to Mihirimah. She came to help her mother and Rustem with her wish because of previous episode incident. She realised her self if Mustafa get throne what will happen to her and brothers.
@@loveandwisdom6619 but cehanjir and bayezid, her fav bro supported mustafa.
@@payelmitra4276 That's the proof of my above statement. Hurrem never put bad thought about Mahidevran in to her children. But Mahi always screw his son to harm Hurrem children. Of course he was rejected that many times. But if he became Sultan. He would definitely kill Hurrem all prince's at once and exile Hurrem and Mihirimah.
@@payelmitra4276 Mihrimah was more cunning than those two brothers, so I think she actually understood how bad it could get for them if Mustafa was Sultan with Mahidevran as Valide.
I feel mahidevran 's pain.. Suleiman kept hurting her dignity and self respect the moment hurrem arrived...He was the villian not Mahidevran
To be fair, Mahidevran KNEW she was a concubine in a harem full of concubines. She was not his wife, he had never said he loved her as far as the show showed, nor had he ever promised her to not sleep around. What “dignity and self respect” can she really have when all she ever was and continued to be was someone’s side chick? The only thing that was different about her was the fact she had a son - and she was given status and benefits because of it. Why should Suleyman be blamed for falling in love with someone else, enough to actually marry them?
@@a_galcSuleiman should be blamed for taking so many innocent women as concubines and not abolishing the fratricide law.
mahidveran talks like she never commit sin....what about mehmet the first son of huram. she kill him she is the first blood sinner.
Sulieman disconnected from his whole family, three sisters and his brother. His best friend, two former lovers and their children.
He was not a good guy in my books.
You're right. He is the root of all evils.
It's the system. Distrusting everyone, constant competition, the rule of fratricide for the sons of abducted and enslaved women. That's the "family".
Hurem too tried killing prince mustafa many times but she failed, you can't blame mahidevran, her husband was snatched from her in a very young age when her son was 3yrs old or whatever the age was. She was living a peaceful life that turned into miserable just after a few years of her married life til death
He wasn't her husband. Suleiman didn't marry her in the show either. In one of the episodes she asks him to be freed but he declines.
Mahidevran in her hatred, jealousy, and greed from time to time play a part in the death of her son. Mustfahah loved his mother, but he was unaware of a lot of her actions.
Not true, Mustapha was no idiot.... he knew what his mother was capable of. If not he was not sultan material,
@@wtrujillo9250 By that logic then Suleiman and all of her sons too weren't Sultan material. Hurrem was doing everything behind Suleiman's back. Hurrem's manipulative nature, her scheming, and all the murders and attempted murders she engaged in; they all happened right under Suleiman's roof.
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Hatred, greed ,jealousy are human traits.
In all fairness, Mahidevran too had these traits. But she was not alone on this planet to have these traits.
I wonder why you left Hurrem out. I think Hurrem too was greedy. She did attack many women whom Sulaiman courted.
And above all, Hurrem was manipulative. Not to mention ruthless too.
Mustafa was not an ordinary young man. He was the eldest son of a reigning Sultan. That made him the strongest claimant to the throne.
And being the strongest claimant to the throne courted many enemies, naturally.
In one scene,Ibrahim went to Mustafa's chamber and literally dragged Mustafa from the latter's bed and insisted on Mustafa"s going to Friday prayer
Mustafa ,being shot blooded young man actually did not realise the implication of his not going to Friday prayer.
He was young and underestimated the threat to his life ,position.
In one scene, Mahidevran reminded him that the revival of naval base need an explicit approval of the Sultan .
Mustafa meant well. Only he did not see that his action of reviving the naval base to counter Portuegese threat would be viewed As mounting a challenge to Sultan's authority.
Again in all fairness, Sulaiman was ruthless to Mahidevran. He forgot that Mahidevran gave birth to his eldest living son.
Having a son strengthened his position in royal court.
Well this is history. I am quite sure that should Sulaiman live again( hypothetical) he would not have killed Mustafa.
He would be merciful to Mahidevran. He would spare his son's life out of respect to Mahidevran.
Remove Mustafa from throne,maybe. But spare his life in respect to the memory of Mahidevran.
Both Mahidevran and Hurrem suffered. Mahidevran lost everything in this cruel game of rhrone.
But Hurrem suffered too. Her slander against Mustafa also took Cihangir's life.
But not importantly, the death of Mustafa intensified the deadly rivalry between Beyazid and Selim.
Hurrem was punished by living to witness the rivalry. She knew one would them would be killed eventually.
With Mustafa not in picture, both Selim and Beyazid felt threatened by each other.
And what a poetic justice.
In one breathtaking scene, Hurrem bowed to amahidevran and sought her forgiveness
Here ,a Sultana who won the decade old game of throne finally bowed to her chief rival who lost practically everything in her life.
@@abuyounus242 Hi Mahidevran’s bottt and your faaake account Shamshual! Hurrem loved and supported Suleiman always, she was always loyalll to him.
Mahidevran only wanted power, she was eviiil and died alooone and pooor! karmaaaaaa!
@@shamshulanuar7718 Hi Mahidevran’s bottt and your faaake account Shamshual! Hurrem loved and supported Suleiman always, she was always loyalll to him.
Mahidevran only wanted power, she was eviiil and died alooone and pooor! karmaaaaaa!
On one hand, Mahidevran wasn't wrong. But she still did everything that she did too. She openly schemed against the throne, openly threatened Hurrem and thus her children, openly schemed against Hurrem for YEARS. What did she expect? Nobody was innocent, including Mahi, but unlike everyone else who can at least cop to the evil they did to try and stay in power, she cried and blamed everyone else for her mistakes. Now she too is reaping what she's sewn, but she's still crying for justice. She is getting justice.
More like injustice as suleman ruined her life and if you were in her position would let someone judge the way you perceive her
@@yahyakhalid6160 My point is still this: she's done the very things she was shown sobbing on the floor over. In the end, the only person who ever had any power in that palace was him, and he didn't really care who he hurt. Everyone else was just trying to survive, but there's no need to be a hypocrite.
@@viastephtopI agree with you. Mahidevran never took responsibility for anything she did. She did the exact same things she complained about everyone else doing.
Mahindra is today's woke people..conspire against others and when Lord punish cry out loudly blaming& cursing others..it's like training session..how king must be impartial ..king done right thing about mahidevran
Mahidevran’s evilness had no limits. If Suleiman knew she killed Mehmet she wouldn’t be left alive.
Always palying the victim Mahidevran
i hate hurrem supporters so much
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
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Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
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In real life, all the daughters of Mustafa were moved to old palace by the order of valide hurrem sultan. Mahidevil was left all alone. Then Suleiman married them all, of course after discussing it with his wife.
can you show proof of this where did u read this i really want to know
@@am_showjumping9568 google
Mahidevran knrw the rules from the very beginning. Even if she gave birth to the first prince, Suleyman was going to keep sleeping with different women and have more children. I understand if she's jealous, Hurrem was too. But she shouldn't do anything sbout it. She hated Hurrem so much that she tried to kill her. Would she have acted the same if It was somebody else other than Hurrem? So after she hit Hurrem causing her major injuries when she lost her child, which was not Hurrem's fault but her own, Sukeyman told her he does not want to see her anymore. She ruined the relationship with Suleyman herself. She spent all her life blaming Hurrem, even for the things she didnt do. She had a misranle life because of this.
But Hurrem did the same to other women?! Like her friend Gulnihal, she burned her face and almost killed her. And she slapped Isabella, stalked her, harassed her, tried to kill her on at least two different times(with the venomous snake and infecting her with the plague), and then kidnapped her. Is that any different from what Mahi did? Are we supposed to side with Hurrem because she is the main character? It's just infuriating
Gulfem was Suleymans first Sultana and birthed his first son but he died at birth. Gulfem didn't act the way Mahi did when she became the favourite and birthed a prince.
Obviously mahidevran is a woman full of bitterness, her ambitions brought his son to death. While hurrem never keep her eye on the throne but keep sulieman alive and his children protected at the end she die in peace in the arms of sulieman.
🤡🤡🤡
Mahidevran is the source of all her pains . She is barking at the wrong tree. But also a victim of their tradition and her hunger of power .. 😮
Mahideveran never accepted the consequences of her own behavior and blamed others. What do you expect if you support rebels behind süleyman's back?
really? Suleiman litterally killed her son! I woud've done worse if I was in her place
She kills her son, She got off way too easy. She deserved worse. @@tasfiamehnaj1581
@@tasfiamehnaj1581Don't forget that Mahi started the war first..
@@rosiebryon3535everything happened because of hurrem
@@amreen_skies yeah bcz she was forced.. If they didn't treat her like that and always be with hurrem... She wouldn't do that kind of things
Real Yahya, if he existed, would never say such things to Suley.
He woudn`t even think like that!
- it`s all for drama here.
Moreover, Mahi could never keep her head on, if she kept doing all those sh*tty things that were shown in the film. She would have been beheaded already in that episode when she tried to poison pregnant Hurrem! and rightly so, for those times and customs!
Not to mention trying to become a political rebel, - that was completely impossible for Mahi, and she never had that nerve, too. Because quarrels of jealous women is one thing, and gathering an army against great sultan is a different one. :)
Every character here is grey . But with the death of Mustafa who took the biggest hit ? Mahidevran? Yes but not the most. Sultan Suleiman? He from the beginning favoured Mehmat . The Ottoman Empire? Yes .The decline began with a weak ruler not interested in politics aka Selim 2.
I don't blame Hurram who played a crucial role in Mustafa being deprived of his rightful claim to the throne and later death . But Sultan Suleiman and his greed for power and blindness to his probable true love which led the beginning of the empire's end .
Mehmat died of chicken pox according to Wikipedia ( which I know is not a reliable source) but there might be a possibility that Mahidevran was not involved in Mehmat ' s maybe it was Sultan himself.
Suleiman's taking away of all of Mahidevran's money and property did nothing to make her change
her ways. She learned to make do
with what little she had left. Later,
when Suleiman visited Mustafa's shrine, Mahidevran was unrepentant, and really gave Suleiman an earful of what she thought. She outlived Suleiman, Hurran, all their children.
Mahidevran was probably laughing at all of them, on her death bed.
Hahahahaha! Mahidevran died alone and poooor, she lived worst life! And everyone was laughing at her! Hurrem and Suleiman died happy and powerrful, and Mahidevran in 🗑️
@@dakotaashleyn this Life is not important , she laughed because she know they will all pay in front of Allah
@@islemfrikhi4863 Amen!
@@islemfrikhi4863 I'm atheist but I'm sure that don't exist God that so easily can forgive one father that kill two sons (real Suleiman killed Bayezid too)
@@islemfrikhi4863 hahahahaha! Mahidevran lost everything. She is the one paying with her life! She died pooor and lonely, as Hurrem, Suleiman and their children died happy and powerrful. Cryyy
Mahidrevan just had so much grudge against Hureem that she couldn't see the evilness in herself. She blamed everybody especially suleyman and Hureem for her own dire straits except herself. She not only caused herself so much pain but her son's and grandson's deaths too which she blamed it on Hureem and suleyman. But actually it's her own doings. She surrounded herself with all the most power hungry and greedy people who had no conscience or morals just like herself. Birds of the same feathers flock together ... She tried to play the victim of hureem and suleiman but actually she's the victim of her own greed and power hunger. It's very sad that even at the end she cursed and blamed suleyman and hureem for everything that happened to her, Mustafa and grandson. Evil deeds beget evil consequences ....
Please don't do victim blaming
It's sad though the way these men treated them and just put aside she did some things but I don't think she did all these things in real life fabricated for the show she was a really fascinating woman I wish these shows would actually put the truth
Let's be honest, to what I see, Mahidevran was at fault for the death of Mustafa because if she hadn't fked around with Hurrem this wouldn't have happened but even so we all know Mustafa was indeed the Heir and if Mahi would become the Valide, and so on, Hurrem would be in danger aswell as her children, even so if Mustafa were to defend his brothers , being the bad idea Mahidevran to be the Valide, she would soon get what she wants, which is Hurrem's suffering and aswell for the other heirs aka the Princes ,but just like one episode where Haseki Hurrem Sultan said "I wish you were my son" to Mustafa proves she never had any anger building up from Mustafa and all that she worried about was all Mahidevran, Mustafa aswell never had wanted this things to happen,If Mahidevran had never showed or said all those kind of drama to Mustafa maybe Mustafa would never have been forced to actually also see Hurrem as an enemy, Mahidevran went all crying to Mustafa accusing Hurrem on things that she fricking started!,And ofcourse being Mustafa OFCOURSE He would believe his mom, what I'm trying to say is Mahidevran started the game and Hurrem had to end the game in any way, she did this all for her children's sake, she had to wash blood from her hands, she had to be merciless, she had to sin on SO many kinds of things, therefore again Mahidevran did this ALL to herself and to his son, she was the reason for the death of her own son, she was the reason for the torment for her son,and aswell she is the reason for the deaths and incidents, many people trusted her and liked her just like Valide, she liked her and so she defended Mahidevran and decided to join the game because of all Mahidevran's drama then guess what Valide died, then there goes all other victims of Mahidevran's games, thou many people might disagree with my point of view and this comment might start a war of disagreement I reccomend that if you disagree with me just leave this comment be ,I don't need or we don't need no drama or anything we all have different sides, for me I side on Hurrem or maybe in some case I side on no one but If I have to really choose I would choose Haseki Hurrem Sultan.
So true to point
Finaly show Mahidevran became stronger as she reassure Nergissah in a very touching way.
In history it was Sah - the granddaughter probably the least fortunate - who was forced to marry ( it seems that she was not happy for this wedding , understable as she didn't contest that Mihrimah and Suleiman forbade all signs of happiness in her wedding because of Bayezid death but on this other way she couldn't said anything as she has nothing against her grandfather if she want to fight him the consequence would be disastrer for her, her mother and her grandmother) but she die young maybe giving birth to her only daughter. I always wondering what she was thinking by seing Suleiman and Hurrem and vice versa. Nergissah never have children to her husband. One - Sah- is dead before her grand mother and there is a probabilty of her other grandaughter too die before Mahidevran. Could you imagine how hard was her life? I won't survive in her place but yet she she managed to live to be 81 a feat
- but it could be a curse because at this time if you live until this years you have the risk to survive to your childrens and maybe your grandchildrens-. That's one of the reason I consider the historical Mahidevran very brave.
Suleiman both in history and show horrible to her ( in the show he didn't want to know her version just like her son and in history it was because he blame her for the death of Mustafa). Thanks Selim to do the right thing and repare the mistake of your father.
But what I don't like is that in the show it's more about remorse for what he did in the rebellion (and this heroizes Bayezid) while in the history he took risks for her as he circumvented Suleiman's ban by helping her ( it could have gotten him in trouble).
True
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
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Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
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Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome jjkk
True but real Mahidevran was a TRUE victim. She beated Hürrem just one time but never touch Hürrem's kids
It's your fault at the first place mahidevran when his majesty was in bed fighting for his life your after of the throne and even planed to kill all hurrem children every act there is always consequences.
Fear no one but God. ❤ every leader should hear that. Ego will ruin humbleness will reign
I wish I had sympathy for Mahidevran, but I just can't. She talks of wanting justice for everything that happened to her without realizing that it is justice. She tried multiple times to kill Hurrem and her children or have the kids taken away from her. She tried to take Valide's place in the harem and sunk it into debt. She manipulated her son and ultimately got him killed. This...having her money and her family taken from her...is justice. She just doesn't want to acknowledge it because it doesn't suit her.
Dear old Mahedeveran ! First to murder a Prince, can’t take what she dished up. Shame but she was kept alive to keep th storyline going. The real Mahedeveran did ok, Selim kept her in comfort and she did outlive them all I believe 😂😂😂
Suleiman and hurrem were more guilty and evil than mahidevran ever was which is a fact
Hurrem stole Suleiman from her, Suleiman now stole her son as well as grandson just because hurrem said him which was the most cruel thing one could ever do
Diamonds, rubies, and precious gems are a girl's best friend!
Sultana M.will be just fine.
What did Mahidevran expect lmaooo! That Suleiman would let him live free after she killed his son?
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome
Heclet hurrem live, even after she killed mustafa
Even yehia effendi
Son of afifa who supposed to be never harmed hurre.
Poor man
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What's that got to do with Hürrem though?
4:11 Ahhh Sokullu,ahmed and selim did everything but Mahidevran will get punished..
Yhe story is so sad because of greediness and jealousy.
Lack of truthfulness. Once somebody does wrong must be punished.
Wait guys, okay Mahidevran wasn’t a saint but she suffered more than enough in her life.
Losing Suleiman, having a miscarriage, watch hurrem steal the man she loved. She spent her life being humiliated.
Okay she involved mustafa too soon but not everyone can deal with the cruelty of the harem and the game of throne.
At the end, she is just a woman who lost her family and land, then the man she loved, and always feared for her son.
She just couldn’t handle the might of all this burden.
She is misunderstood and deep down, she isn’t that bad
It astounds me how everyone has no empathy for Mahidervan. If Hurrem would have lost, she'd act the same way smh. And it's actually obvious that she's grown and matured here, idk why people say she hasn't
I have empathy for her yes, she was trying to keep her son alive just like Hurrem was. But her interest in keeping her son alive also made her act more rash; she was quick to act or speak first then think about the consequences later. Like poisoning Hurrem at the sultans own table, that alone could have been seen as a threat to the sultan and would have had her killed if Ibrahim hadn’t protected her. She always blamed Hurrem for making her rash and she later acknowledged that Suleiman made her rash too. She blames them for her downfall and just from listening to her conversation just now with Atmaca she still won’t admit that her rash decision played a part in her losses too. The whole thing is just sad and I blame the ottoman infanticide policy for it
@@ucky9675 Many of Mahidervan's actions were reckless, and frankly, idiotic. I don't think she was the best player in the game of harem politics, but I do understand why she went so hard to protect Mustafa. As for not being able to take ownership for her actions, I think a lot of people would be bitter if they were in her situation. Some would accept fault, but not all. Logically, I think it's easy to see how someone would end up feeling as she did
I have some empathy for her because she had to navigate in a pretty brutal system. My exasperation about her is because of her recklessness, lack of reflection, and blind hatred of Hurrem. When Hurrem came to the palace, Mahidevran had everyone's support and she had it for a LONG time while Hurrem had to fight and scrape for supporters for years after. Mahidevran was not wise about how to use that support to her advantage. She should have made it her business to at least keep Sulieman's respect as the mother of his eldest son, even if she couldn't keep his love and full attention. She broke that respect early by her treatment of Hurrem and her subsequent behavior did little to bring it back, even when she had the chance to. And she had multiple chances to. She also should have kept her son strictly out of harem politics instead of trying to use him as a threat against Hurrem. All she did was put a great big target on his back.
Hurrem was also reckless in the beginning, but she also learned from her mistakes and acknowledged that she made them. And even though Mahidevran remained a thorn in her side for years, she learned how to calibrate her response to her. Mahidevran never learned this, she seldom acknowledged her mistakes and rarely learned from them and it's frustrating to watch.
Matured??Now way
Mahi devil was funding the rebels and u cant call it maturity anyway
Mahi devil capable of committing crime after crime..recklessly
But when they back fire...blame it on hurrem & cry...this had been her character all along
Remember...she killed mehmet to clear mustafas way to the throne
Dont know why ppl forget it so easily
might have despised mahidevran in the beginning but eventually hurrem went on to do things worse than her. said it episode 45 and will say it now, poor mahidevran was unlucky the most unfortunate of all. that poor thing had to live to watch valide die, hatice die, her daughter in law and son die, her grandson die. history and many viewers label hurrem as the stronger one but for me mahidevran is the stronger one, the ultimate hero. that poor woman had the worse life one could possibly imagine. she was robbed off her love, abandoned, she lost her son, daughter in law and grandson and probably many other injustices that go unsaid and unheard of. such a strong valiant woman she was.
Yall acting like Hurrem didnt plan to kill Mustafa before Mahidevran even killed Hurrem's son.And not everybody had confidence to lead like Hurrem does.Mahidevran was never evil,she became evil when Hurrem came to palace and actually started the beef.Also hurrem have done so many mistakes but Sulejmana didnt punish her in any way bc she kind of did manipulated him
Apapun saya tetap respect Mahidevran. Dia berjaya mendidik anak dia dengan baik . Cuma Sulaiman yang gagal dalam percaturan terlalu percaya dengan Hurrem. Walaupun Hurrem banyak membunuh dan mengintip rahsia kerajaan. Hirrem terlalu tamak nak anak dia yang memerintah . Sedangkan Mustafa putra sulong dan berkelayakan .
Despite everything Hurrems sons helped Mahideran all they could i just wonder if Mustafa would do the same for Hurrem
Mustafa would have dane more than that. Mustafa used to love everybody
@@Muhammad-lg1up he never loved Hurrem at least not as a grown up
Yes mahidevran never stand for her rights but always felt jealous of hurrem bcoz hurrem was beautiful with talent;mahidevran firstly hated to hurrem,hurrem talked without fear with suleman,She gave full of love for suleman and she had given proof in her full life to everyone enemies and also to Suleiman
I can't stand Suleiman unfairness for Mahi. As as Muslim Suleiman should leve her a home and some money it doesnt matter she is slave or free traitor or greedy she is weak woman who lost her child!
God How many bots!!! taking about the same things (Mahidevran is evil and hurrem is pure angel)
That the last Hürrem did and Mahidevran did the same thing lmao
Mahidevil started it all, now she gets to pay for everything
The fun thing is that Hürrem left her everything, Selim will give her again a dignifited life. And in real history are more possibilites that Hürrem hurt Mustafa when Mahidevran never hurt Hürrem's kids. Maybe for this Selim had mercy on her
Hurrem sultan never done anything to Mustafa in real life
@@DimSK. you can't see this to 100%. Many historians are agreed that she could had her part in Mustafa's death with Mihrimah and Rustem. It's 50% and 50%.
Mahidevran was a good grandma!
I don't know why, when they all saw the cruelty of hurrem, her rudeness, and her ambitions, they still blamed poor Mahidevran!hurrem threw acid on her friend's face and killed many people!!! I really hate her😤
Hurrem is to blame because she started wars with everybody in the first 3 episodes. But the actress is so perfect, she makes Hurrem lovable and victim.
@@nlmmlnm nope. Everybody started a war with Hurrem. Looked at how she was treated in the first episodes. They made a monster out of her. Well, (almost) everyone is a monster here. The difference is Hurrem is the victorious monster, the rest is simply loser monsters
They're blind, baby. Forget about them. 💗💗💗
@@eleanakaori8457 Mahideveran's reaction to hurrem was natural i don't know why people forget how hurrem reacted to every women who went to privy chamber after her , she behaved crazily, attacked them ,threw acid on maria's face ,etc, even if a lot of things are fabricated in this drama, everyone in the imperial palace was pathetic kind of victim. Fatricide law make them cruel. If you won't kill you will get killed.there was no love or affection in this palace only survival game and greed.There are no villians or heroes in this series only victims one way or the other,women were victims of slavery ,protecting their kids fearing for their lives mahideveran, hurrem, nurbano, and countless others, blame ottoman man who make set such a system,harem,fatricide law and cruelty of humans instead of blaming mahiveran or hurrem.
@@namra7957 One thing I hated about this drama is how much they dramatized the Harem infighting. I think a more historically accurate portrayal with the drama of politics and history would have been wonderful, instead we got constant cat fights. 🙄
Gulfem accepted her fate graciously
Mustafa's biggest problem was his mother. had she treated Hurrem with respect, none of her problems would have occurred. Hurrem was acting for the safety of her children. Mustafa's death was a byproduct of her and hatred of Hurrem and Hurrem's need to protect her children.
Toward the end, looks like a hubertus dressage saddle.. not sure they would be using that style way back during the Ottoman Empire 😕
Cruelty of Mahi to Mehmet makes her miserable in life,law of Karma
And Cruelty to Mustafa makes Hurrem"s life miserable. Karma wbk
@@MegatronMinaj rethink this
Mistake to send her Manisa… only fueled Mustafa resentment of Mehmet.
They blame everything on Hurrem.
Ok i just have to say it; for him to say the brother he knew wouldnt even hurt a fly baffles me. That man is respnsible for soooo many lives lost, hes got more blood on his hands than we can even imagine, but i guess many of those killed were infidels their lives dont matter. Yet they also lost many many soldiers in the wars he caused by wanting to conquer the world so again he has so much blood on his hands its not even imaginable.
Nergisah just called mahidevil 'valide sultan'???
Which valide sultan is she talking about? There is only one valide sultan: hurrem sultana.
Yeah, she did. Once a prince goes to a province as a ruler, his mother is going with him and she acts like a Valide Sultana would act in the main palace- you know, she rules the harem. That's why Nergissah called her grandma a Valide Sultana.
Plus, Hürrem died before Süleyman so she couldn't be Selim's Valide Sultana. Mihrimah ruled his brother's harem instead
@@ingridmeister5597 nop she's not valide sultan.
Hurrem sultan is valide sultan and everyone has to call her that way
@@DimSK. Hürrem is the Haseki Sultan. Was she the mother of the current sultan, she would be the Valide Sultan but she couldn't because she died before Selim sat on the throne.
She was married to Süleyman, which made her become a Haseki Sultan, but she couldn't see her son reign
@@ingridmeister5597 hurrem sultan is valide sultan , the new one. She's both haseki sultan and now valide sultan too
@@DimSK. Say as you want
I hate Suleiman and hurrem.Mahidevran was Mustafa's mother, but Suleiman never valued her, so she became jealous. I feel really sorry for Suleiman who kicked out his good wife and kept the cruel,and jealous hurrem in the palace until she destroy every thing.i hate them alot .
Spill bestie.
Hurrem and sully got their karma.
Never heard Mahidevran was generous to the poor when she in her last gold coins would give it away for the people. When she would starve for the making of Mustafas grave and paying her servants. If the rebels are the sultan’s poor people, the government may be messed up. Why would HIS PEOPLE rebel against him in the first place tho. Mahidevran surely wouldn't care if they are Suleimans rebelled people. Would you care about ur baby daddy after he has killed Ur son? Absolutely, Who cares!
I'd go with Bayezid thoughts about here too. Because I have not seen 1 episode in where Mahidevran was a helping hand to the rebellion. 😅 Either mustafa who was framed. Changing history is a different turn.
But I love how easy is Suleiman to believe without diving in the document 😂 without opening without reading 💁 Shows how easy he is to be manipulated, you only will need communication skill & strategy. How could I wonder he has been a controllable tool to ibrahim & hurrem 😂
Mahidevran got Karmaaaa!
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome
Saint hurrem our god whom we worship
We have no god but her
Don't mind me I have downsyndrome
Reported
A brother that left from another mother and hid where no one but Suleman knew where he was
I don't which of the woman was actually winner but I know who lost - Ottomon empire. Both suffered death of their children, had to do despicable things to survive and were actually dependent on their husband's love for security. If he liked someone else off they go. One died quite young with illness which was quite painful with no cure and where death was relief, another lived long life watching multiple death of her loved one. Deep down they were same. For all those blaming Mahidevran, she lost a grown up son. She was going to lash out and others had to back down. It is always difficult for mom to lose a child but to lose someone who is at age where aging mom see them as hope is double tragical. In Marathi grown up child is called aged parent's walking stick (someone who will cherish and take care of them). for all the magnificent rule emperor will always be known as someone who committed sin of killing his child for no real reason. Her step son either feared bad fate awaiting or hated his dad and decided to help her.
all over jealousy how did these women live in a harem and still have jealousy over each other knowing that the sultan will probably sleep with all of them at one time or another. she ruined her sons future with it. its a shame.
As I only learnt from the life of all royal families that everything is short lived except the name of Almighty ,,,
4:59 Haseki Mahidevran sultan : Suleiman
In the childhood episodes, mustafa was a good and well mannered child.. But mahidewran changed it.. Only She wanted to be a valide..not a good mother for her only son
HE KILLED HIS INNOCENT SON MUSTAFA, WHO LOVED HIS DAD MORE THEN ANYTHING
This women was all good untill they had to fight for everything if Alexandra had have it her way she would have stayed in her russian village with her family and married Leo but she became a slave and later not nice at all the same with Kossem if they had let her live her life as Anastasia in Greece she would have stayed a good person. I blame the men for all this
Mahideveran writer potray her as a ambition mother dreams her son will be sultan & her plan to punish hurrem & her chidren ..but hurrem do everything to protect her children ..Actualy sulaiman knows about mahidevran plan ...😮
Hurrem❤❤ Indian fan girl❤❤❤
There was no justification for killing Mustafa. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I feel pity for all women's conditions in the past.. whether hurrem or mahidevran, they had been kidnapped and obliged to live in the Ottoman Empire.. they could have a really good and peaceful life, but neither of them lived happily. They lived an unwanted life; what a pity 💔
I feel bad fot Mahidevran. Both Hurrem and Mahi were the victims of the system. Yes Mahidevran was more evil but still if she would have been treated well she would not have been so bad.
She actually tried to kill them both with poison. She deserves everything
She deserved only more respect !
mahidevran keep praying to almighty God but she keep cursing aswell and the power that she wanted makes her miserable and build her downfall
It is really unbelievable how can anyone like hurram.. I think these ppl who r liking n supporting are like her only. That's why can't see her evil deeds and missions cunningness. Shameful
Mahidevran was such a despicable character. She doesn't have the wits and brains yet blames everything on everyone else. She's the problem. She wasn't made for harem.
Mahidevran tried to be as smart and strategic as Hürrem but she was just not the kind of woman who have the pride and brave to stand up towars a man of tgose times, her ambition and empty jelousy make her take the wrong actions and be pretty evident about it, she was the one who most compare Mustafa with Hürrem's children on disaventage to Mustafa. She make the wrong rants and tantrums to Suleyman so he get tried of her. Although it is really sad how she lost everything little by little.
the main difference between Makhi and Hurram, Makhi is sharp tongues, and Hurrem knew the code of Suleyman 😂
Feel sorry for mahi 😢😢