Great comparison. I am looking forward to one day see such a comparison with Sonys new dual layer stack sensors (like the one in the 1 V just larger like 4/3 or 1 inch)
Thank you!! Perhaps the PRO-I II will have a 1.0 type version of it? Possibly could be one of the reasons why there hasn't been a successor for a few years now. Maybe Sony wants to see how the Xperia 1V does in the real world.
@@lltechview I did see that but couldn't find much info on it except it will be on the Xiaomi 14 Ultra. I'll be honest and have thought about switching over to Xiaomi for awhile. I really like what they did with the current and last gen flagship phones. My PRO-I is starting to break down. But I'm really holding out for the PRO-I II and hoping Sony made some significant improvements.
Hi everyone! In regards to the positions of all three cameras, they are in line with each other and only separated by their camera bodies. I didn't have a fourth camera to take a video of all three of their positions at the same time (how many people really do?) to show it in the video. Some people have complained to me privately their positions (despite being right next to each other) may have given them a disadvantage in some of the lighting scenarios, especially the ZVE-10. I'm currently working on a video comparing the ZVE-10 and ZV1 in a similar test using an f2.8 aperture (that's the widest lens I have) to put this claim to rest. All I will say for now is the sensor type each camera uses and the quality of the lens makes a significant difference in which one does better at higher ISOs and low light scenarios. Hopefully I'll have it up by next week! Most of the B-roll or secondary footage in this video was recorded with the ZV1. I had more confidence that it would capture better video quality in the low light environment of my micro studio compared to the ZVE-10 and Xperia PRO-I. If you see footage of the ZV1, that was recorded using the ZVE-10. If you see footage of the ZVE-10 and Xperia PRO-I, most of that was with the ZV1. Video of the ZVE-10 and ZV1 together was done with the Xperia PRO-I, and all three of them together recorded with the Samsung Note 20 Ultra. The reason why the shutter speed, ISO or aperture flashes sometimes during the low light comparisons for the ZVE-10 or ZV1 is because the camera can't select the correct exposure.
Yes you're correct and thank you for bringing it up. When the ISO is set to auto, the range is from 100-6400, hence the max ISO of 6400 for all three cameras. It can be adjusted to go higher as you mentioned. Perhaps Sony feels 6400 is the max it should go for recording videos despite claiming higher ISO capabilities. I will add it to the description about the max ISO 6400 when set to auto. Also, since the Xperia PRO-I can't go past ISO 6400 in video mode, I decided to leave the max auto ISO as is on the ZVE-10 and ZV1. On my 27" monitor the ZVE-10 didn't look good at ISO 6400 using the 16mm f2.8 and 16-50mm lenses. I recommend not going higher than 3200 because it looks like smartphone video quality past that. Unfortunately I don't have faster lenses from other companies to check if it's the lens itself contributing to poorer video quality at high ISOs. When it comes to recording video in low light, it's always best to use sufficient lighting to keep the ISO reasonably low unless of course someone wants to record a scene in near or complete darkness.
@@thefitlifechannel2021 while I agree, that higher than 6400 ISO may not look good on the ZVE10 and ZV1, it may still be better to use it than getting a very dark image. Also the bigger sensors' advantage is in the higher ISO, so when you capped the max ISO to what the Xperia can only do, then you are not able to show that advantage. For example, if you add a full frame here, it will be absolutely unfair if you still cap the ISO to 6400 right? Nevertheless, I agree with your result, because of the f1.8 aperture, the ZV1 will be just slightly better than the ZVE10 with the kit lens and that will be a very useful information for many people.
Correct again and these comparisons can go more in depth such as using them all on manual mode and making those adjustments. Since the majority of people use these cameras in auto mode, I left it at that to show how they are with their factory settings. They just want to be able to turn it on, let the camera decide most of everything for them, and have great results. Similar to how a smartphone camera operates. For someone who learned videography on a smartphone, digging into Sony's dense camera settings may be challenging or frustrating and could turn them away from these cameras. I feel for the majority of them, they won't record in the near dark/dark scenes I did and the ISO6400 limit is fine. I frequently encourage in my videos for people to go past auto mode and learn the others so they can get more out of these cameras. For those who use manual mode frequently over auto, they know the ISO can be adjusted past 6400 for the ZVE-10/ZV1 but I feel that's more useful for photography than videography. Yes, a higher ISO means you can see more of the scene but image quality becomes very unpleasant. Just because a camera is advertised to have a really high ISO limit doesn't mean it's ideal for most people to use or pleasant to view. Honestly, I feel its a marketing ploy and most people will never go that high. On my ZVE-10 I never push it past ISO5000 for photos because it looks horrible on large displays. Fine on a smartphone but that's about it. As I mentioned before and recommend to others, if recording a dark scene, use a light source to illuminate the subject. It doesn't have to be a bright light, but enough to keep the mood of the dark scene and be able to see the subject. Keeping the ISO reasonably low regardless of sensor size maintains better dynamic range, less noise, more saturated colors and sharpness compared to really high ISOs. Yes you're right about the f1.8 on the ZV1 being better than the 3.5 on the ZVE-10. If we use their full frame aperture equivalency, the ZV1 is be around f4.86, the ZVE-10 at f5.25. The closest I can get to the ZV1 is using my f2.8 lens which will be a f4.20 FF equivalent. I can do another low light comparison with ISO limit off using the f2.8 on the ZVE-10 and f1.8 on the ZV1 but please give me some time. I'm trying to finish up another video so hopefully by the end of this month I can have it up!
I'm sorry it took awhile but here's a link to a video showing both cameras going through the various lighting scenarios with their ISO limits removed: th-cam.com/video/Lo14OTcpyVc/w-d-xo.html
Great comparison. I am looking forward to one day see such a comparison with Sonys new dual layer stack sensors (like the one in the 1 V just larger like 4/3 or 1 inch)
Thank you!! Perhaps the PRO-I II will have a 1.0 type version of it? Possibly could be one of the reasons why there hasn't been a successor for a few years now. Maybe Sony wants to see how the Xperia 1V does in the real world.
@@thefitlifechannel2021 I am hoping to see the LYT900 1inch sensor on the Pro i II
@@lltechview I did see that but couldn't find much info on it except it will be on the Xiaomi 14 Ultra. I'll be honest and have thought about switching over to Xiaomi for awhile. I really like what they did with the current and last gen flagship phones. My PRO-I is starting to break down. But I'm really holding out for the PRO-I II and hoping Sony made some significant improvements.
Well done. Excellent comparisons
Thank you! Your kind response is greatly appreciated!
Hi everyone! In regards to the positions of all three cameras, they are in line with each other and only separated by their camera bodies. I didn't have a fourth camera to take a video of all three of their positions at the same time (how many people really do?) to show it in the video. Some people have complained to me privately their positions (despite being right next to each other) may have given them a disadvantage in some of the lighting scenarios, especially the ZVE-10. I'm currently working on a video comparing the ZVE-10 and ZV1 in a similar test using an f2.8 aperture (that's the widest lens I have) to put this claim to rest. All I will say for now is the sensor type each camera uses and the quality of the lens makes a significant difference in which one does better at higher ISOs and low light scenarios. Hopefully I'll have it up by next week!
Most of the B-roll or secondary footage in this video was recorded with the ZV1. I had more confidence that it would capture better video quality in the low light environment of my micro studio compared to the ZVE-10 and Xperia PRO-I. If you see footage of the ZV1, that was recorded using the ZVE-10. If you see footage of the ZVE-10 and Xperia PRO-I, most of that was with the ZV1. Video of the ZVE-10 and ZV1 together was done with the Xperia PRO-I, and all three of them together recorded with the Samsung Note 20 Ultra.
The reason why the shutter speed, ISO or aperture flashes sometimes during the low light comparisons for the ZVE-10 or ZV1 is because the camera can't select the correct exposure.
Nice vid. Hope you can also test the new Xperia 1 V.
Thank you! That may be my next phone if the Xperia PRO-I II doesn't come out soon!
Why is the iso of the zve10 maxing out at 6400? Did you set the max iso to that? Because from what I know, it can do up to 32,000.
Yes you're correct and thank you for bringing it up. When the ISO is set to auto, the range is from 100-6400, hence the max ISO of 6400 for all three cameras. It can be adjusted to go higher as you mentioned. Perhaps Sony feels 6400 is the max it should go for recording videos despite claiming higher ISO capabilities. I will add it to the description about the max ISO 6400 when set to auto. Also, since the Xperia PRO-I can't go past ISO 6400 in video mode, I decided to leave the max auto ISO as is on the ZVE-10 and ZV1.
On my 27" monitor the ZVE-10 didn't look good at ISO 6400 using the 16mm f2.8 and 16-50mm lenses. I recommend not going higher than 3200 because it looks like smartphone video quality past that. Unfortunately I don't have faster lenses from other companies to check if it's the lens itself contributing to poorer video quality at high ISOs.
When it comes to recording video in low light, it's always best to use sufficient lighting to keep the ISO reasonably low unless of course someone wants to record a scene in near or complete darkness.
@@thefitlifechannel2021 while I agree, that higher than 6400 ISO may not look good on the ZVE10 and ZV1, it may still be better to use it than getting a very dark image. Also the bigger sensors' advantage is in the higher ISO, so when you capped the max ISO to what the Xperia can only do, then you are not able to show that advantage. For example, if you add a full frame here, it will be absolutely unfair if you still cap the ISO to 6400 right? Nevertheless, I agree with your result, because of the f1.8 aperture, the ZV1 will be just slightly better than the ZVE10 with the kit lens and that will be a very useful information for many people.
Correct again and these comparisons can go more in depth such as using them all on manual mode and making those adjustments. Since the majority of people use these cameras in auto mode, I left it at that to show how they are with their factory settings. They just want to be able to turn it on, let the camera decide most of everything for them, and have great results. Similar to how a smartphone camera operates. For someone who learned videography on a smartphone, digging into Sony's dense camera settings may be challenging or frustrating and could turn them away from these cameras. I feel for the majority of them, they won't record in the near dark/dark scenes I did and the ISO6400 limit is fine.
I frequently encourage in my videos for people to go past auto mode and learn the others so they can get more out of these cameras. For those who use manual mode frequently over auto, they know the ISO can be adjusted past 6400 for the ZVE-10/ZV1 but I feel that's more useful for photography than videography. Yes, a higher ISO means you can see more of the scene but image quality becomes very unpleasant. Just because a camera is advertised to have a really high ISO limit doesn't mean it's ideal for most people to use or pleasant to view. Honestly, I feel its a marketing ploy and most people will never go that high. On my ZVE-10 I never push it past ISO5000 for photos because it looks horrible on large displays. Fine on a smartphone but that's about it.
As I mentioned before and recommend to others, if recording a dark scene, use a light source to illuminate the subject. It doesn't have to be a bright light, but enough to keep the mood of the dark scene and be able to see the subject. Keeping the ISO reasonably low regardless of sensor size maintains better dynamic range, less noise, more saturated colors and sharpness compared to really high ISOs.
Yes you're right about the f1.8 on the ZV1 being better than the 3.5 on the ZVE-10. If we use their full frame aperture equivalency, the ZV1 is be around f4.86, the ZVE-10 at f5.25. The closest I can get to the ZV1 is using my f2.8 lens which will be a f4.20 FF equivalent. I can do another low light comparison with ISO limit off using the f2.8 on the ZVE-10 and f1.8 on the ZV1 but please give me some time. I'm trying to finish up another video so hopefully by the end of this month I can have it up!
I'm sorry it took awhile but here's a link to a video showing both cameras going through the various lighting scenarios with their ISO limits removed:
th-cam.com/video/Lo14OTcpyVc/w-d-xo.html