Wouldn't the price gap between other comparable flagship phones allow you to buy a much better camera (DSLR/Mirrorless) therefore rendering the Xperia Pro I effectively useless, overpriced even?
@@salmanul_fares I was thinking an iPhone 13 pro Max 512GB that's around 1400usd so a 400usd DSLR or Mirrorless which I have no doubt blows all smartphones.
Lg was the worst. They had great ideas to push the competition in the right direction but their phones were garbage. The software was probably the worst you could find in a phone and the customer service for phones was made by the already existing customer service for their others products, to save cost. No need to mention it was infuriating, talking to someone that absolutely don"t know shit about the product for whom the only answer was reboot the phone or piss off. I'm glad they didn't survived in this market.
With this Xperia Pro - I, Sony became the first company to use 0 plastic in their packaging and still manage to throw in a charger brick. This is truly eco friendly
eco friendly is to keep using your existing, working, good enough phone for a couple more years until it dies, then send it out for recycling. To use no plastic on the packaging is nice, but it does not change the fact that Sony is a huge manufacturer that pollutes, consumes resources and generates tons of waste just in order to sell consumer products. Every step counts but maybe the truly revolutionary would be to make a new model every 2 years instead of every year, that would save more resources and help the planet more than any non-plastic wrap. ( I dont mean to be rude to your comment or anything, not trying to start a fight here XD)
@@SHENRAR yeah true dat, but it's better than most manufacturer / company that says they did this kind of thing for the betterment of environment but took the charger out of the original set up so you have to buy it separately which will come in another packaging that most likely will waste another plastic thingy. Sony also limit their quick charge from 18-30 Watt to maintain the battery health so it will have a longer lifetime. But then again, it's a businesses. This company needs to produce and sell something new every year to keep the business running.
@@SHENRAR That's why Sony doesn't have planned obsolescence. You can use their phones for a long time (4+ years) without any noticeable degradation to the phone's functionality unlike certain companies that I prefer not to name. Sony has all sorts of systems to prolong the lifespan of the battery like Qnovo adaptive charging and battery care that really helps in the long term. Look, it's your choice if you keep supporting products that have planned obsolescence. In the end, it is you that is causing damage to the environment.
@@pixels_per_inch I have not mentioned programmed obsolescence, I talked about customers not buying a new phone when theirs still work. I am aware of the quality of Sony products, but to reduce consumption, we need to stop buying constantly, because we do whether we need it or not, and the responsible thing would be for us to slow down and for them to adapt to that.
@@pixels_per_inch I am sorry for coming back to this conversation when it was clearly ended, but I got a notification and re-read your comment, and in the last part, where you say that "at the end is you who is causing damage to the environment" I cant disagree more. Of course we have a lot of responsibility with our consumption decisions, but you dont pollute, you dont go outsource to third world countries to save money on labor, you dont invest in a business model that deforest the world and transport goods twice around the world just to save some marginal profits, the companies you buy from do that, not you, you see the final product but not the process, and they are well aware of that and keep it to themselves. Does Nestle tell you in their ads that the chocolate you buy is responsible for slave labor? Does Zara tells you they use kids from Bangladesh to sew their clothes? they hide that and sell you lifestyle. The only way to get to know about that stuff is to dig deep into everything you buy and, they know only a minimal fraction of their clients will do that. the narrative that you are the one killing the planet is really good for the ones on top, damn, even the concept of "personal carbon footprint" was introduced by BP to make you think that you making toast for breakfast was what was heating up the planet. Again, I am not here to fight, just thought this was something worth said here.
Yup, you could see how processed the iPhone pics were in comparison to the more natural Sony pics. I prefer more natural pics, that Im sure you can process with filters afterwards, compared to a processed picture that you would further process with more filters.
Sony could be braver and build a camera phone like the Samsung S4 Zoom. That is still one of my favorite phones/cameras because it has great optics, good optical zoom range, great stereo microphones, oled screen,... I recorded tons of live music events with it because it looked like a phone (to pass security) and performed like a camera. Maybe you can convince one of your managers to pick up this idea again.
The way Sony process its pictures is just so refreshing. I've always like their natural and "organic" way to render things, while all the other manufacturers have this processed look.
@@00O3O1B a lot of Gcam modded apps have raw option. The problem is that you need to have camera2api enabled to use the gcam. Nowadays nearly all Xiaomi smartphones have that by default, but others... Ps. For example my xiaomi mi a3 has camera2api. The problem is that it doesn't seem to be fully enabled on the wide camera... Or at least.. It works only with some versions...
Exactly, it feels way more natural and more somehow more/better detailed (maybe it's the texture) than just increasing the brightness to highlight everything.
I saw also that, I mean he compared the photos with the iPhone, don’t get me wrong I have a iPhone 12 too, and his skin in those photos was yellow green tinted… I mean it was much more flattering the look from Sony, especially on that back camera selfie
Tbh, aside from the first image, I have preferred the colours and details of the Sony in other comparison shots. They look more natural and seem to retail more information and clarity.
Sony has their ups and downs but can wr also take a moment to appreciate that Sony Xperia are the only phones above $1,000 that has both an expandable memory and 3.5mm headphone jack? It'd one of the most very very very very rare flagships that you can listen to a music on your own without the need of a bluetooth device.
And why would someone spend over a $1,000 just to get a headphone jack and expandable storage? Things are pretty sorted below that price tag from many brands, unless Sony offered any unique or standout feature.
@@kawaki3556 pretty much the reason why people would spend more for a foldable phone. It's because it's their taste. To begin with, expandable memories and headphone jack had more than enough room inside the phone, companies just prioritized their bluetooth headphone lines over anything else and they wanted to push their more expensive pro siries with bigger storage so they remove those handy features. It's pretty ironic how cheaper phone has more features nowadays. The only ones that keep their headphone jacks for their flagships are Sony phone and Chinese made gaming phones.
@@dnoble5692 Or in-display front facing camera to make it full screen, but no idea how long it's gonna take for major brands to normalize it. I haven't really got to use a phone with a notch or punch hole as my daily driver but yeah, I can just imagine how it would feel. Tbh, having the forehead and chin as thin as what Sony does would have totally been fine, I don't know where did this trend come from and people are jumping into this bandwagon one after another.
i have a sony xperia 1 and i have no idea how the bezels can bother anyone, yet i see people say how ugly it looks because of the "huge" bezels. i personally think it looks a lot nicer and it gives you something to hold without constant accidental screen presses.
They should've just made it thicker. It's an enthusiast phone! Anybody who would put a lanyard on a phone wouldn't mind a few more millimeters of thickness to utilize the full 1" sensor and add some extra battery to power that ridiculous display!
@@SRC267 At it's current $1800 price I doubt an extra $600 would have stopped anyone from buying it who wasn't going to buy it for $1800. And they'd get an even better camera.
Well working sensor area is same as pixel 6's.. so in theory only would do better probably that sonys sensor is full bayer array, and in past gcam worked better than those quad bayer sensors. Btw the difference from the pixel 6 still would be like few %..
@@00O3O1B yeah, this won't give you a processed image coz that processing is supposed to be your job as a pro. This isn't for the mainstream casual buyer
Sony is my favorite brand when it comes to mirrorless cameras. It's what I use in my videos, because it's the best autofocus I've ever seen in a consumer grade camera (even if high end). A phone will never be as good, but if there's a company that could get there it's Sony.
Same I use a sony a7iii after upgrading from a canon basic dslr. It is seriously heavenly to use compared to the old DSLR and it's so disappointing that their phones don't match the quality of their cameras. But I'm optimistic that they'll have it sorted soon.
I actually found myself preferring the images from the Xperia Pro-i rather than the iPhone 13 Pro. Even if they had slightly less detail or dynamic range, they were more pleasing to the eye especially with their colours, focus, etc. Perhaps it is a difference caused by my smartphone's display or I just actually prefer the Xperia's image it's quite surprising.
yes, they are also closer to reality. but most people are already living in a distorted reality which is amplified by social media and all the filters applied on the images, so they will prefer the distorted images of the iphone
The images from the Sony were sharper and had much much more dynamic range than the iphone. Everyone is just used to looking at overprocessed images that come out of smart phones these days. The smart person would use the images from the Sony and then use an image editor like Lightroom to bump chanels to suit.
It's awesome! That used to be LG, just doing all kinds of whacky stuff. Some of it failed, some of it stuck. Double tap to wake up, multi core processors, dual lens cameras, squeeze triggers, are all LG inventions. Let's hope Sony brings some new innovations to the game as well!
@@ajolillen Dual Speakers, Hifi DAC, High res screen, Water and Dust resistance, Expandable storage etc are all sony innovations that they brought to market. This phone though is just pure marketing. The best phone that I have ever used with an LCD was sony xz premium, it looked better than the samsung s10 oled eventh though it was 5 years older. Its a shame that Sony switched to oled as well. Everyone is moving to OLED wven though oled is a dying tehnology instead of innovating on Quantum dot backlight LCDs.
The picture of the remote was the only one I wouldn't easily pick from Sony. The rest of the images in the comparison, the Xperia did wonderfully. The backgrounds were very detailed and beautifully blurred, the colors look natural, and the images look pleasing as they are as natural as our eyes see the world. Even if the Xperia can't do the quick image perfect capture like other phones do, it would do better in artistic photography since you hold the large share of control over capturing images rather than the a computer. Sony just allows you to add as much personal touch as you want. Not saying you can't achieve the same with computational photography since you can touch up those images as well.
yeah i agree especially the photo of the red mag, the skintone on the iphone is really not good and you can see the oversharpening process while the sony give the most natural look skintone and better detail
I agree that there's a kinda finesse that is missed when looking at just brightness and focus. I went from an old mid-tier single camera phone to a new mid-tier multi camera phone and while it should be an upgrade (and in some ways is) I just hate the pictures it takes. On the old phone it felt straight forward and rewarding to use manual controls, this feels like it's not even worth trying.
That's the "Pro" is the name. It means you get all the necessary ingredients but YOU get to decided what kind of meal you want. Unlike Apple and others that serve up the "meal of the day", and you either take it, or leave it.
Fun fact: a 1“ type sensor (what is commonly referred to as a 1“ sensor) is actually no where near 1“ in any dimension, it’s reference to the 1“ imagining tubes from old analog video cameras, that were replaced by these 1“ type sensors. This sensor actually only has a 15.8mm diagonal, so about 2/3“. There’s a great video on the matter by Philip Bloom
I don't know what Marques was looking at on the photos nor what everyone else is looking at but All the sony pictures had the accurate color and were more detailed.
It's like he said in the vid, the vast majority of people (particularly average consumers) always pick the brighter more vibrant photos, even if they aren't as detailed or color accurate. The blind smartphone camera test he does every year kinda proves it too. Phones that have better cameras on paper generally lose to phones that do bright/vibrant photos.
@@becomingfr33 Yeah, we'll see what happens in the next blind smartphone camera test. The audience for that is usually enthusiasts and techies and the bright vibrant pic phones usually won that over the accurate/detailed pics too. I guess the grander point is that while accurate it doesn't look impressive. Other phones ride the line better where it looks realistic but still has a little pop to it. Marques was just pointing out that the phone is doing little to no processing, almost to a fault. And even when it comes to enthusiasts and photographers, the phones catch of not actually using the full 1 inch sensor is an issue too. So I don't think it would sell well even among enthusiasts/photographers. It's a great try but they're still not ultimately achieving their goal, even when it comes to appealing to enthusiasts/niche.
@@Instantur It's different when you're an E-girl wearing a bikini on stream for twitch subs using your Sony Xperia as a webcam while your gaming rig mines whatever crypto currency Elon Musk says is *in* right now Edit: I should probably mention that this is not career advice despite how successful some results may be
The specs of the phone are amazing. 6 inch screen size. 4k video. 120 hrtz refresh rate. 1 inch sensor on a smartphone. Separate shutter button. All those features sound like things we would want. It’s wild that the IPhone 13 takes “better” pictures while saving you 600.00$
@@ericmack001 honestly if I was to buy a 1100$ phone, 600$ wouldnt be be out of the question, if you buy a 1100$ you have money so 600$ isnt that far off. As in for the average consumer yes its a lot, my phone is just 250$ so 1700$ looks like a lot
I've been using sony phones for the past 5 years, maybe longer. I love how small they are (yet still powerful) and that I can use it with one hand. I'll be very sad if they ever stop making phones and I'm forced to get the larger phones.
Lol Realme phones and others of that level are 6.55' generally so.. if you looking for relatively 'small there's plenty to go around. Asus zenphone as well if I'm nt mistaken
Gotta say on the side by sides, the first image I def would choose the left. But as you started to show more examples, I was choosing the Sony image more and more. Starting I think with your selfie, the sony image looked better to me on my laptop. Still, the analysis of the Sony quirks is spot on.
It's less bright and flashy, but more true to life... Maybe with some post processing or more careful adjustment of the controls, the Sony could produce as good or better results than the iPhone, but the iPhone, Samsung, and Pixel have that computational/AI advantage where it's a much more "one-click for great results" solution, just one that gives you less control for the results you want, even if they are great. So Sony is definitely targeting a niche here, but a niche that clearly exists. And as far as Sony phones go, I've gotta say this is the coolest one I've ever seen from them, so they're going in the right direction.
@@datachu yeah i kinda like the more realistic colours compared to the iphone. but i wouldnt blame people for liking the iphone because it does give off nostalgic vibes(if i even make sense at this point lol)
@@trollpotatoe what you mean is warm color, but yeah sony don't have that AI thing but i love how you can create the same picture with just some adjusting setting in camera menu well people don't care because that not confined to setting manually but with advance camera setting sony can make any image like apple, samsung, google with just change the setting on camera that why i can say sony have unique and special features and the pro literally for professional not just "pro" in other phone but still for photographers like me i still choose dslr 👀 well i have 2 sony phone for daily drive not for taking photo
My man's testing the camera in basic mode, they aren't meant to be compared auto-auto next to other phones, the whole point of the neutral colours and camera on the sony phones including the 1 iii is that they are better as a companion for photographers and people who dont want a super HDR bright ugly photo. I have gotten a lot of photos from my 1 iii that are better than the photos you will get from any other smartphone simply because I use the camera how its intended.
Even if this is a catch credit where credit due that Sony put their time and R&D to create this niche of a product. I just hope we can get more of these kinds of quirky products in the future.
Idk, to me it seems somewhat opposite. They're using the things from other more successful parts of the company to Frankenstein a phone. I'm sure that the BionZ processor, plus the CMOS sensor are benefiting from economics of scale, so just like apple using their M1 in everything, Sony is using components readily available to reduce costs in R&D. And then they're not putting in the work to actually optimize the phone experience, but instead hoping that the wow factor of a 1 inch sensor will be enough to buy a phone for such an insane price.
Personally the screen is enough to make someone buy it, the camera is in no way bad obviously so if I had the money I would cop it. I also really like the aesthetic of the phone
@@mominsheheryarjovindah6006 1700 usd is quite steep for a screen considering we have great 120hz panels out there albeit not 4k. But yeah if money wasn’t an object, a 4k 120hz screen is cool
@@pemuda7075 innovation can come from many forms, not just some improved hardware, it falls into the "increment" category for me, but suit yourself I guess. I still think it's cool enough to give me looking for longer
@@ambientobsession5298 Lately everyone's been making oddly shaped phones in psychedelic Rainbo barf colors. There's something to be said about a simple well crafted black rectangle 🖤
Thanks for bringing this up, the whole computational photography thing is really the central point here. I do a lot of mirrorless photography so sometimes people ask me what phone they should get for the best photo quality. I usually tell them that we're now in the post-hardware-specs era where it doesn't really matter that much what the sensor is actually outputting, it only matters what the software then does with this image. If an image looks more appealing at first glance in a side-by-side comparison it's not because the sensor has some crazy stats that make the image look better, it's usually just because the processing adapts the colours and details to look more like whatever patterns some neural network has extracted from a huge dataset of aesthetically pleasing professionally edited images.
I understand what you are getting at, but it is not really true and it is very evident by the quality of the photos that Marques showed here from the Sony compared to the iPhone. Any decent camera, event a point and shoot like the Sony RX will have way better quality than any phone camera can produce. Mobile photography always has that fake HDR look to it, even during the day, never enough contrast since the dynamic range is faked. Of course some shots do benefit a lot from that computational photography so out of the camera and to people that don't really understand post processing it is way easier to get a better photo on an iPhone or similar, but there is still no competition between a dedicated camera and a phone. With this said, the best camera is the one you got with you, so most times that is your phone! :)
@@greven182 Yes, completely agree about that fake HDR look! We're nowhere near the point yet where I'd trade my Sony A7S II for a phone camera. Although as you point out, most people won't notice it that much under "normal" (i.e. whatever the algorithms have been optimized for) conditions. However I'd go even further and say that it's not just that non-photographers don't notice, it's rather that phones and cameras are competing in slightly different spaces. For someone creating photos that are to be viewed on a small screen, competing against over-saturated Instagram photos, while under time pressure to get content out immediately during some event, those iPhone/Samsung/Pixel phone cameras might just be the better tool for the job even for people heavily invested in all their proper camera gear.
@@PascalSommerMovies Completely agree with that. Would love that my phone have as great image quality as my mirrorless in some years, but physical limits won’t make it true unless ML get so good to the point of faking the image quality. I do wish there would be a Sony alpha camera mixed with a Pixel phone tho!
and this is why i switched to a samsung s22 from a p40. the software isn't that good. the camera is amazing on the p40 dont get me wrong but sometimes its let down because of the software plus having no software updates and flares is really annoying. glad i switched to the s22. amazing software and hardware + snapdragon gen 1 is amazing when it comes to photography!!
I reckon best Sony point and shoot camera phone is still the 5 iii atm. Same camera UI, more focal length to play with but cheaper and more consumer oriented
Market idea, You can swap in a sim card into your camera and use it to text and call when you only want to carry that device. Or make cell plans are cheap enough you can put a sim card into every device to access data.
remember in 2013 the samsung s4 zoom i think it was called ,that had a proper optical 10x zoom lens that came out the phones body, that was a phone on a camera not a camera on a phone ,and that allowed the samsung phones to be used as a remote viewfinder and trigger
Not gonna lie, I totally went for the right on every single of those image comparisons. I realise how strange the colours are on iPhone. Why's it so damn yellow 😂
Nope. They're too expensive and too niche. They would be unpopular in other markets just like they are here and would never be a concern to Apple or Samsung as they are. Btw what phone do you use?
I must be in a minority that likes my pictures to be exactly what I see in front of me and not what the manufacture thinks I want to see, that being said the camera is only a fraction of the equation. I prefer Sony's design, the headphone Jack is ok and the SD card reader is a plus. Video out is big for me and finding a phone that has it is challenging if you don't like Samsung and Apple products. The price is steep for what it is but that's been a Sony thing forever and I doubt they are going to change that. In their defense, I've never had to replace one of their products because of a defect so I feel whatever I may spend is a good investment because I don't change my phone every year.
The point is, that not everyone sees the same as you do, and even you don't always see the same.given the same comditions, so it's impossible for your camera to capture "what you see". It will always have different something. That said, some touch up everything so badly that it's DEFINITELY not what anyone sees and it's often such a bummer :(
@@Anankin12 sure, but some cameras take more natural photos than others. Many cameras increase saturation and brightness beyond what a human would see to make the pictures more eye catching. You could try to make a camera that mimics what most people see
Your description fits perfectly; you ARE the minority. Same as all the pros out there. A small niche group compared to what Apple serves up to the masses. They don't care about all the small nuances involved in photography they can get to play with in post. They just want to point the camera and get a good picture. Camera phones are the new point and shoot cameras. The masses just want a phone with a camera. Sony will specialize in those pro photographers, that want a phone, but have a need to always have a good camera by their side.
@@krane15 then why spend 1000 plus on iPhones that produce same results as midrange phones and don't have SD, card, headphone, game features and full camera control...so basically average user just needs 400 phone like pixel 5a...Xperia can do everything iphone do plus more...no need to spend 1000 on any flagship phone that are missing Sony features.
I bought this phone and i LOVE it! It's my 4th Sony (Z3v, ZX2 compact, 5 ii, Pro-I). I've loved every one. They were about the first to make their phone truly waterproof (took my Z3V swimming more than once). I love love love the camera shutter button! I use it all the time. This camera phone is purely AMAZING. I look forward to learning how to squeeze all its abilities out. I also shoot a Sony mirrorless camera, so it's very nice to have the same controls.
The comparison pics are actually what gets me sold for this phone. I just love the natural look and the obvious increase in color depth. The crop on the 1" feels a bit like fake advertising though and it is a really hefty price tag - but for having a phone with an actual camera in my pocket instead of those overprocessed images... I may be game...
Perfect camera for someone like me, who loves photography, but doesn't love to bring a whole camera bag every trip. I use my phone for 95% of my images and people keep asking what kinda sick camera I use. It's only a OnePlus 7 Pro, which needs replacement in the next 1 or 2 years. So I'm keeping my eyes open for the next generation of Sony phones, without the catch.. :)
@@MTCBKK lmao? they're all real cameras. did you not just see them comment that they don't like to bring a whole camera every trip? you might prefer a better camera and that's ok but don't force someone to do the same thing as you when there isn't a wrong way to do photography. some people like the versatility and convenience of using a phone camera. respect that.
The camera on the right I think is higher quality, it looks more honest and doesn't have the "processed" detail look. I use a sony alpha camera as a hobbyist so might be the reason i prefer it.
I'm surprised even MARQUES got this wrong at 3:49 "a full one inch diagonal" Small sensor naming is super confusing so it's an easy mistake to make. But NO MEASUREMENT on a "1 inch sensor" gets close to an inch. Not the width not the height, not the diagonal and not the surface area. A 1 inch sensor has a size "roughly equivalent to the sensitive area of a video tube of *1 inch diameter* "
@@martinzhang5533 Exactly, except that semiconductor process nodes have slowly strayed from the actual feature size, whereas optical format has always been (roughly) a fixed ratio from the physical sensor size.
He also compared aperture numbers between different phones with different sized sensors without adjusting for crop factor. You can't just say that f/2 optics "let in less light" than another phone with an f/1.8 lens when the latter has a way smaller sensor.
Except for the cone pic with the sky in the background, I actually preferred the shots taken on the Xperia. Both phones have great camera systems, though. It all comes down to personal preference.
I thought the exact same thing. The Xperia cone picture looked like it was true to life but the iPhone version just looked better. The others I think the xperia had a better and more natural look
@@pixels_per_inch lol you even expecting raw and cinema pro footage? He don't even show a simple video footage, and only merely less than 5 pics to conclude the whole product. Expecting Sony to be properly reviewed as their intended usage is not what they do in this channel, at least for Sony. Go back and watch any of the Sony videos in this channel, none of them properly reviewed as targeted usage. And this video just prove it even further. It is such a pro and versatile camera system and the review given here are not even fair review to a 300 dollar phone. Even his review/ads on a case/sticker is way properly done than this video
I hope Sony uses this announcement-release pattern for all their phones going forward. The Xperia 5 III was announced in April and people are only getting their hands on it late last month.
So what it sounds like is the images pulled from this phone are meant to be shot in raw, whereas iPhone photos are artificially edited to look their best. So yeah, for most people an iPhone is going to look better in daily use, but for someone like me who uses Lr CC heavily, this might actually be useful for me
@@TomTomdog did it not occur to you that this phone is *more money* than a fucking galaxy fold? Or the same price as a thom browne galaxy zflip3 that also comes with buds 2, watch 4, and a bunch of other shit? Please shut up. You are wrong.
@@TomTomdogalso, as minh long said, there are corded headphones that cost more than your fucking rent, and idk about you but last i checked terabyte microsd cards haven't gone down to "cheap things for poor people" yet. You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?
Sony is starting to become my go-to for recommending higher end Android Smartphones. Now if they made some budget phones, they would get all of my recommendations.
I highly doubt that Sony can make a good budget phone. The Xperia 10 line is maybe not really budget, but somewhat affordable. The problem is that the 10 is so inferior to the Xperia 5 and Xperia 1 and even other phones in that price range. It does have head phone jacket and a SD slot, but on all other aspects it is a mediocre phone. Even the camera on the Xperia 10 is not that good. It feels like they design the software for their high-end phones and it doesn't really work on the cheaper Xperia 10.
Naahh, budget phone has been their Achilles heel, imo lol. I owned the Xperia C, Xperia E, and used the 1st-gen Xperia 10 for 2 months. They're pretty lackluster for the price. I'm more of the "they should just focus on building flagships" crowd, personally.
Its one of a kind .. with the biggest pixel size in any smartphone. You missed the point entirely. This phone gives the most natural and pleasing dynamic range and shots 4k 120 fps with the most beautiful skin tones in any such device. This is why no TH-cam reviewers of smartphones with cameras should review cameras with smartphones.
Just because it’s using a smaller portion of the sensor doesn’t make the pictures darker or brighter, pixel pitch is what determines the sensitivity of the photosites (individual pixels).
Yeah - he didn't say the smaller sensor made the pictures brighter or darker. In terms of hardware, it's the camera settings (ISO, shutter, aperture) which set the photo brightness. Also, in phone software is doing adjustments too.
However, the pixels on the sensor will be the same pitch as a 12mp sensor of 1/1.3 inch type sensor. Combined with the brighter aperture of rival phones, the Sony is still going to perform worse in low light. Though, the difference shown is primarily down to Sony's more traditional image processing, which doesn't properly utilise computational advantages of modern smartphones
I see you have tech-term knowledge and knowledge of optics, electronics, etc. I started to use sony products in the 1980s and last was my small Vaio computer, I used another computer(Vaio-2000 time), and still works, but the memory and hard drive are obsolete but did not broke ever. My mother watch a 24or 26inch sony TV since 1986 and said that still works. Used sony Discman, sony cassette desk, sony cassette player, walkman, Minidisc, video camera, and so on. Dedicated sony products lover. Need to buy a sony camera, but it costs 8000$ which I like.
Love that you took the guys advice from the podcast about building a story and used the “with a catch” in the title! Genius! Keep up the great work team!
@@turbotaquitogoogle8095 It's based on old Video Camera Tubes - the "sensors" (cathode ray tubes) used in television cameras back in the days before the first "modern" CCD sensors in the 1980s. Of course marketing people always use the largest number they can claim, so these were marketed by the external physical diameter of the tube made of thick glass, so the useful diagonal was much smaller - a 1" tube (25mm) would only have about 16mm of useful diagonal sensitive area. When modern silicon CCD and CMOS sensors started replacing them, marketing people conveniently borrowed that old convention (that at least had some basis back in the day) to call 16mm diameter rectangular sensors 1" (25mm) sensors although there is nothing on the sensor that measures anywhere close to 25mm.
classic mkhd to highlight a quirk for 11 minutes and not mention anything about: - sony's world class object tracking brought to the pro-i - eye auto focus - 12bit raw video - glossing over that color accuracy is hard and sony does it well.. hence it being a pro camera not an insta-computational-blasted imaging device
Who cares about 12-Bit Raw video, though? If you're a content creator, you'd be MUCH better served by a $1000 Sony Camera and an $800 Xperia phone instead of $1800 for this. Who's going to seriously produce content on this phone??
@@abrararifify So, a Vlogger is going to buy an $1800 phone instead of a $1000 Sony RX100 compact camera that's going to produce MUCH higher image quality? Yeah, okay..
On the other hand, the bigger the sensor, the better the picture. See, its all in how its written. Aka, marketing. There's a reason its a profession all by itself.
Their software is garbage Used an z3 and later an xz3 And the software experience was terrible, they take so many questionable decisions that shoot them in the foot.
Alright people ....i think the naming of sony is not difficult Xperia 1 - flagship ( similar to samsung S line) Xperia 5- mid range ( similar to samsung A line) Xperia 10- comparatively budget. ( Similar to Samsung F or M line) Mark i , ii, iii is like the model released in the price range . So if you compare xperia 1 ii and xperia 1 iii . You know its their 3rd flagship phone.
A 1” sensor is not one inch in diagonal. It refers to the length of the camera tube that the format is based on. A 1” sensor has diagonal of 16mm that’s about the same size as a frame of Super 16 film.
@@Quoutub The closest thing to a 1" diagonal sensor is APS-C. But sensor terminology is not based on a sensors diagonal. In fact when someone is reffing to a dimension of a sensor they're usually referring to its width or the width of the closes corresponding pice of film. When someone is talking about a 1" sensor, they're always talking about a 1" Type sensor because there is no such thing as an actual 1" sensor for that to be confused with.
@@VariTimo "When someone is talking about a 1" sensor" When I talk about a 25.4mm or 1" sensor, then I am talking about a 1" sensor. When I talk about a 1" type sensor, then I am talking about a 1" type sensor. It's not my fault, if someone doesn't know the difference. The size of something can always be expressed in mm or inches. It doesn't matter what incorrect language the majority uses. The majority are not scientists. Another example is Samsung's 64 megapixel 28mm camera, which is called a tele camera by the media. A 28mm camera with a high resolution isn't a tele camera, no matter what the seeming majority writes. 1" type and 1" are NOT the same thing, a common misunderstanding.
Honestly I like the sony photos side by side. Especially looking at how well it did the outline of your hair, much better than the iphone shots. Great video!
It turns out that there was a good reason the whole sensor isn't used, and there are benefits from doing what they did versus using a smaller sensor. Has alot to do with noise/aberrations/clarity etc and shutter speed or something. Worth looking into before thinking Sony was trying to look impressive for no reason. I think the next gen chips (post 888) will be a game changer for in-phone camera setups like this and we'll see more.
I'm not an expert about the definition to the coverage of camera. What I love so much about Sony is they don't fake the result of the picture. For other brands of smartphone, they have too much brightness to that person you're taking is totally different when you see that person right there in front of you, while sony tells the truth, what you see is real in everything.
Great vid, informative as always. One small thing: A 1" sensor is NOT 1" on the diagonal. It is not 1" anywhere. Sensor names, at least the small ones, are based on the old analogue video tube descriptions which reference the outside diameter of the tube, not the photo sensitive area. Both the tubes and their name inheriting digital sensors have a smaller area to capture an image. 1" sensors are closer to ~.65". Give or take, depending on the manufacturer.
@@Raja995mh33 Sure, that part of the comparison was fine and what I said was for edification, not criticism. However, if one truly wants to compare sensors, it is more complicated than simply size. But I'm sure Marques understands his audience' interest doesn't go that deep.
8:20 It is wrong to say "since lenses are circles". The reason the projected image is circular is that a typical lens has rotationally symmetric structure - it has the same curvature in every direction. The lens could be cut out in the shape of a square, but the projected image would still be circular.
@@tt-nm4yj I am referring to the curvature of the 3D surface of the lens, not its boundary. Picture a large sphere centred around the camera. The camera is looking out into space, and each direction corresponds to a point on this sphere. The lens is able to correctly focus light from some region, *R* , of this sphere, but outside region *R* the light is either blocked by the camera housing or the lens cannot focus it correctly without artefacts like blur and chromatic aberration. When we talk about the "shape" of the projected image, we really mean the shape of the region in the image that is correctly focused, which is the projection of *R* . For a rotationally symmetric lens, *R* is circular and its projection is circular. For a square lens with rotationally symmetric surface curvature, if *R* is circular then the projection of *R* is still circular. The question is whether *R* is circular. It usually is. Providing the corners of the square do not inhibit or enhance the lens' ability to gather and focus light from particular directions, and providing the camera housing is not asymmetric, then *R* will be circular.
Seems like friends from Apple made a call to MKBHD. Apple Guy- Hey, have you seen Xperia Pro-i, it is tooo good with its manual photography techniques. Mkbhd- Yes, it seems incredible after checking out few other youtubers. Apple Guy- Yes, and we are worried that it would hurt our sales for iPhone 13 Max Pro. MkBhD- It might. Apple Guy- So, we want you to make it look little small in front of our 13 pro max so don't show its manual photography and other great video thing. MkbhD- Okay Boss, but it comes with a cost. Apple guy- Got it, check your phone. But remember no manual photography skills to be shown. MkbhD gets a notification on his phone, Dear, XXXXX $ has been credited to your account. MkbhD - Sure, 13 pro max is the best, Sony sucks in Auto-photography. Apple Guy- Great, that's the narrative. You're the best.
I feel like they should have ditched the secondary cameras and just teamed up with Moment or created their own to launch with attachable lenses for the main camera.
I wouldn't feel like carrying around several lenses with my phone all the time in order to take photos, and there's the possibility of losing them or breaking them which would make it Impossible to use them obviously but also probably difficult to find a replacement anywhere outside the US. If they can make a mechanism that will move the sensor between different lenses that would be ideal
Sorry, but this would never work. If you want swappable lenses, buy a mirrorless. Smartphone has to be an all-in-one solution, that can actually fit in your pocket. Atttachable lens without a proper mount will produce shitty photos.
@@ShubhamNagarji honestly I reckon my S9+ camera is shit compared to today's offerings. Probably more software advances than hardware though. Battery is solid 3 years on.
I mean, you could say the same thing about Samsung that you do about Google and Sony. Samsung makes pretty much everything under the Sun. In the western market they are big players in display tech and products like TVs (both consumer and industrial), as well as all price brackets of solid state storage, every type of home appliance, and even home audio. In South Korea they make everything from elevators to tanks to live saving medicine and medical technology. Sure, they make a ton of money on their phone sales, but their business isn't reliant on their phones selling well.
The catch is you have to know EXACTLY what you want for the photo. If you do, this is going to give you literally the PRO level results. If you don't, Galaxy, iPhone, Pixel is better for you.
Nope. Any real "Pro" would use the $1000 RX100 or any other mirrorless camera that would produce MUCH better results vs this $1800 phone. I don't know who this phone is even for..
Personally opinion 6:36 Left is better 6:52 Right is better 7:01 Right is maybe better but both are good 7:11 Don't know which one is better 7:20 Right is better
NGL, would have liked a mirrorless style hot swap lens system. Leave this lens in most of the time, but then swap it out for a greater Z axis lens with whatever zoom you want, maybe even a 1.4 for great low light and full sensor coverage
They did this before back when they had the Z3 ages ago, but it was a wireless zoom lens and sensor in one unit, you clipped it onto the back of your phone and controlled it with your phone. Gave you cybershot quality shots but didn't take up as much space in your pocket cause it was just a lens.
@@9a2er Yes, but i'd like to be able to use the full sensor, a simple linear motor could be used to extend the lens assembly, but then you'd need at least 2 lenses for focus
11:23 the crop uses only a 1/1.3" sized middle portion of the 1" sensor! Do any of the other flagships mentioned at 3:52 commit this kind of marketing-dishonesty?
I mean, it's probably cheaper for them to use sensors that already exist instead of getting new small ones. Marketing the phone as "1in sensor" thou? I don't like it. Might me cool, if they allowed the whole sensor to be read out, allowing any possible aspect ratio inside the large circle, like these insta-glasses(?).
That’s not how a 1 inch sensor work, the light from the lens falls on all parts of the sensor, that is why its called a 1 inch sensor, this part in the video was a little misleading or poorly researched.
@@kk5336 If it is true that the phone only allows readout from the middle crop as shown, then it doesn't matter if any light reaches outside the cropped zone.
@@nchmusic99 I am okay with the camera output of both phones. I have just observed that most people with no knowledge of camera etc will most likely choose the brighter photos.
@@MELAVINKING Although I like Sony phones , I prefer the photos on the iPhone not because of the brightness, it has a cooler tone which I love over warm tone , don’t wanna deal with the manual mode , just want a cooler tone on the automatic mode
You can see how Marques loves so much cameras that he makes every single new xperia a new video explaining why its so good, bad also so unique, and everyone here loves to watch it.
"Sony naming its products: must contain at least 8 characters, a mixture of numbers and letters, and at least one special character"
top tier comment
Compare with iphone in my channel
Bruh🤣
I wonder where they keep the guy who names the PlayStations.
lmao definition of a password
Sony is the definition of "he's a little confused, but he's got the spirit" when it comes to phones
😂😭so true!
Wouldn't the price gap between other comparable flagship phones allow you to buy a much better camera (DSLR/Mirrorless) therefore rendering the Xperia Pro I effectively useless, overpriced even?
no.
@@clobetasolpropionate8196 you could buy a fuji x100v and a pixel probably
@@salmanul_fares I was thinking an iPhone 13 pro Max 512GB that's around 1400usd so a 400usd DSLR or Mirrorless which I have no doubt blows all smartphones.
Other companies: The best camera in a phone
Sony: The best phone in a camera
Me: can’t afford a phone
I have the iPhone 13 pro max
@@kexec. if you read the comment you would've realized it was a joke
Sony = Shitty Phone Lol
@@kexec. Ikr, why people keeps reviewing this trash
Others: Let's put a decent camera on this smartphone
Sony: Let's put a decent smartphone on this camera
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LMFAO
🎉🎉🎉
😂😂😂😂
And they have better software which makes cheaper yet still good camera
Never stop, Sony. Never stop being you.
With LG gone the torch has been passed to you, Sony. Don't let the flame die out!
Huawei too. Gone.
Crushed.
@@asifmiles8083
Huawei isn't Crushed ...
Its Just United States playing Dirty
LG WAS SO CLOSE TO REVELOTIONAISE PHONES BUT NOW OPPO TOOK THE TROCH WITH THE EXPANDING PHONE
There’s a reason they failed. Extremely low quality control, and the UI was one of the worst in Android world.
Lg was the worst. They had great ideas to push the competition in the right direction but their phones were garbage. The software was probably the worst you could find in a phone and the customer service for phones was made by the already existing customer service for their others products, to save cost. No need to mention it was infuriating, talking to someone that absolutely don"t know shit about the product for whom the only answer was reboot the phone or piss off. I'm glad they didn't survived in this market.
With this Xperia Pro - I, Sony became the first company to use 0 plastic in their packaging and still manage to throw in a charger brick.
This is truly eco friendly
eco friendly is to keep using your existing, working, good enough phone for a couple more years until it dies, then send it out for recycling. To use no plastic on the packaging is nice, but it does not change the fact that Sony is a huge manufacturer that pollutes, consumes resources and generates tons of waste just in order to sell consumer products. Every step counts but maybe the truly revolutionary would be to make a new model every 2 years instead of every year, that would save more resources and help the planet more than any non-plastic wrap. ( I dont mean to be rude to your comment or anything, not trying to start a fight here XD)
@@SHENRAR yeah true dat, but it's better than most manufacturer / company that says they did this kind of thing for the betterment of environment but took the charger out of the original set up so you have to buy it separately which will come in another packaging that most likely will waste another plastic thingy.
Sony also limit their quick charge from 18-30 Watt to maintain the battery health so it will have a longer lifetime.
But then again, it's a businesses. This company needs to produce and sell something new every year to keep the business running.
@@SHENRAR That's why Sony doesn't have planned obsolescence. You can use their phones for a long time (4+ years) without any noticeable degradation to the phone's functionality unlike certain companies that I prefer not to name.
Sony has all sorts of systems to prolong the lifespan of the battery like Qnovo adaptive charging and battery care that really helps in the long term.
Look, it's your choice if you keep supporting products that have planned obsolescence. In the end, it is you that is causing damage to the environment.
@@pixels_per_inch I have not mentioned programmed obsolescence, I talked about customers not buying a new phone when theirs still work. I am aware of the quality of Sony products, but to reduce consumption, we need to stop buying constantly, because we do whether we need it or not, and the responsible thing would be for us to slow down and for them to adapt to that.
@@pixels_per_inch I am sorry for coming back to this conversation when it was clearly ended, but I got a notification and re-read your comment, and in the last part, where you say that "at the end is you who is causing damage to the environment" I cant disagree more. Of course we have a lot of responsibility with our consumption decisions, but you dont pollute, you dont go outsource to third world countries to save money on labor, you dont invest in a business model that deforest the world and transport goods twice around the world just to save some marginal profits, the companies you buy from do that, not you, you see the final product but not the process, and they are well aware of that and keep it to themselves. Does Nestle tell you in their ads that the chocolate you buy is responsible for slave labor? Does Zara tells you they use kids from Bangladesh to sew their clothes? they hide that and sell you lifestyle. The only way to get to know about that stuff is to dig deep into everything you buy and, they know only a minimal fraction of their clients will do that. the narrative that you are the one killing the planet is really good for the ones on top, damn, even the concept of "personal carbon footprint" was introduced by BP to make you think that you making toast for breakfast was what was heating up the planet. Again, I am not here to fight, just thought this was something worth said here.
I honestly preferred the look of the Sony in the second pair of photos, the colors were just more natural
Agreed. I especially liked how Marques' skin tone came out on the Sony
yea me too
same here human, same here
Yup, you could see how processed the iPhone pics were in comparison to the more natural Sony pics. I prefer more natural pics, that Im sure you can process with filters afterwards, compared to a processed picture that you would further process with more filters.
same same
I work for Zeiss. Sony makes most of the sensors for our cameras that we use in microscopy. Super impressive stuff!
Sony could be braver and build a camera phone like the Samsung S4 Zoom. That is still one of my favorite phones/cameras because it has great optics, good optical zoom range, great stereo microphones, oled screen,... I recorded tons of live music events with it because it looked like a phone (to pass security) and performed like a camera. Maybe you can convince one of your managers to pick up this idea again.
indeed most smartphone with good camera actualy use sony imx sensor
The way Sony process its pictures is just so refreshing.
I've always like their natural and "organic" way to render things, while all the other manufacturers have this processed look.
@@00O3O1B a lot of Gcam modded apps have raw option.
The problem is that you need to have camera2api enabled to use the gcam. Nowadays nearly all Xiaomi smartphones have that by default, but others...
Ps. For example my xiaomi mi a3 has camera2api. The problem is that it doesn't seem to be fully enabled on the wide camera... Or at least.. It works only with some versions...
Exactly, it feels way more natural and more somehow more/better detailed (maybe it's the texture) than just increasing the brightness to highlight everything.
Same I don't like fake looking pictures that samsung and apple give out of there cameras
@@00O3O1B iphones can save proRaw as well so you can take or leave the processing.
I saw also that, I mean he compared the photos with the iPhone, don’t get me wrong I have a iPhone 12 too, and his skin in those photos was yellow green tinted… I mean it was much more flattering the look from Sony, especially on that back camera selfie
Tbh, aside from the first image, I have preferred the colours and details of the Sony in other comparison shots. They look more natural and seem to retail more information and clarity.
totally agree!
Exactly
Yes! Look at the selfie, his skin looks washed out & ashy on the iPhone 13 Pro image.
I agree! I was confused when he presented to second set of comparison photos. Clearly the right is more true-to-life and more dynamic
So True. Except for the first one, all the other images of Sony are better than the iPhone's.
Sony has their ups and downs but can wr also take a moment to appreciate that Sony Xperia are the only phones above $1,000 that has both an expandable memory and 3.5mm headphone jack? It'd one of the most very very very very rare flagships that you can listen to a music on your own without the need of a bluetooth device.
And why would someone spend over a $1,000 just to get a headphone jack and expandable storage? Things are pretty sorted below that price tag from many brands, unless Sony offered any unique or standout feature.
@@kawaki3556 pretty much the reason why people would spend more for a foldable phone. It's because it's their taste. To begin with, expandable memories and headphone jack had more than enough room inside the phone, companies just prioritized their bluetooth headphone lines over anything else and they wanted to push their more expensive pro siries with bigger storage so they remove those handy features. It's pretty ironic how cheaper phone has more features nowadays. The only ones that keep their headphone jacks for their flagships are Sony phone and Chinese made gaming phones.
@@kawaki3556 you're kinda missing the fact that you're getting both of these _on top_ of a high-end phone.
@Joe not everyone has access to or wants to deal with cloud storage. I feel safer having my files on an encrypted SD card.
@Joe I think the fact that people give up and buy into is why it's going to that today.
I respect Sony for never making a phone with a notch or a punch hole!
Bring back bezels, I'm tired of the distractions on the screen. It was okay for 1 year but now it's just annoying
@@dnoble5692 Or in-display front facing camera to make it full screen, but no idea how long it's gonna take for major brands to normalize it. I haven't really got to use a phone with a notch or punch hole as my daily driver but yeah, I can just imagine how it would feel. Tbh, having the forehead and chin as thin as what Sony does would have totally been fine, I don't know where did this trend come from and people are jumping into this bandwagon one after another.
@@dnoble5692 Popup cameras need to come back too
There is budget Sony phone that has water drop notch
i have a sony xperia 1 and i have no idea how the bezels can bother anyone, yet i see people say how ugly it looks because of the "huge" bezels. i personally think it looks a lot nicer and it gives you something to hold without constant accidental screen presses.
They should've just made it thicker. It's an enthusiast phone! Anybody who would put a lanyard on a phone wouldn't mind a few more millimeters of thickness to utilize the full 1" sensor and add some extra battery to power that ridiculous display!
then it would cost $2,400
@@SRC267 At it's current $1800 price I doubt an extra $600 would have stopped anyone from buying it who wasn't going to buy it for $1800. And they'd get an even better camera.
Panasonic CM1 used the full 1in sensor & that for its time started at $1.4k if I remember correctly.
@@Alex_564 Yeap and it's over twice as thick, they definitely researched the pros and cons of what they did.
@@Exyvia Exactly, at that point you might as well get the RX100
Imagine Googles Image processing with this hardware. They really should bring back the colab series Like Xperia Pixel just like Galaxy nexus
Well working sensor area is same as pixel 6's.. so in theory only would do better probably that sonys sensor is full bayer array, and in past gcam worked better than those quad bayer sensors. Btw the difference from the pixel 6 still would be like few %..
pixel 6 is has almost same sensor size still they are struggle to produce consistent shots
@@00O3O1B yeah, this won't give you a processed image coz that processing is supposed to be your job as a pro. This isn't for the mainstream casual buyer
It would look super bad! And overprocessed!
Googles Image processcing isn’t even that good..
Sony is my favorite brand when it comes to mirrorless cameras. It's what I use in my videos, because it's the best autofocus I've ever seen in a consumer grade camera (even if high end).
A phone will never be as good, but if there's a company that could get there it's Sony.
R5 is stupid good too
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The double edged sword is, Sony is making sensors for companies that do computational photography WAY better, so they’ll probably beat Sony there.
Nokia were once very close to that with their pure view phones
Same I use a sony a7iii after upgrading from a canon basic dslr. It is seriously heavenly to use compared to the old DSLR and it's so disappointing that their phones don't match the quality of their cameras. But I'm optimistic that they'll have it sorted soon.
I actually found myself preferring the images from the Xperia Pro-i rather than the iPhone 13 Pro. Even if they had slightly less detail or dynamic range, they were more pleasing to the eye especially with their colours, focus, etc. Perhaps it is a difference caused by my smartphone's display or I just actually prefer the Xperia's image it's quite surprising.
And no ugly smartphone sharpening.
The photos actually look almost exatcly like their A-series cameras
yes, they are also closer to reality.
but most people are already living in a distorted reality which is amplified by social media and all the filters applied on the images, so they will prefer the distorted images of the iphone
The images from the Sony were sharper and had much much more dynamic range than the iphone. Everyone is just used to looking at overprocessed images that come out of smart phones these days. The smart person would use the images from the Sony and then use an image editor like Lightroom to bump chanels to suit.
Thank you. You didn't get cheated by this paid & staged🍏 boy
I love that the Sony smartphone division is like, "we're going to do what we want to do" 😂. I love them for that.
@@vanessachurch9561 WTF?!
@@timwra just a bot. Don't mind it
It's awesome! That used to be LG, just doing all kinds of whacky stuff. Some of it failed, some of it stuck. Double tap to wake up, multi core processors, dual lens cameras, squeeze triggers, are all LG inventions. Let's hope Sony brings some new innovations to the game as well!
@@ajolillen Dual Speakers, Hifi DAC, High res screen, Water and Dust resistance, Expandable storage etc are all sony innovations that they brought to market. This phone though is just pure marketing. The best phone that I have ever used with an LCD was sony xz premium, it looked better than the samsung s10 oled eventh though it was 5 years older. Its a shame that Sony switched to oled as well.
Everyone is moving to OLED wven though oled is a dying tehnology instead of innovating on Quantum dot backlight LCDs.
The picture of the remote was the only one I wouldn't easily pick from Sony. The rest of the images in the comparison, the Xperia did wonderfully. The backgrounds were very detailed and beautifully blurred, the colors look natural, and the images look pleasing as they are as natural as our eyes see the world.
Even if the Xperia can't do the quick image perfect capture like other phones do, it would do better in artistic photography since you hold the large share of control over capturing images rather than the a computer. Sony just allows you to add as much personal touch as you want. Not saying you can't achieve the same with computational photography since you can touch up those images as well.
it's all over sharpened though, leica definitely did one inch sensor phone better
yeah i agree especially the photo of the red mag, the skintone on the iphone is really not good and you can see the oversharpening process while the sony give the most natural look skintone and better detail
I agree that there's a kinda finesse that is missed when looking at just brightness and focus. I went from an old mid-tier single camera phone to a new mid-tier multi camera phone and while it should be an upgrade (and in some ways is) I just hate the pictures it takes. On the old phone it felt straight forward and rewarding to use manual controls, this feels like it's not even worth trying.
That's the "Pro" is the name. It means you get all the necessary ingredients but YOU get to decided what kind of meal you want. Unlike Apple and others that serve up the "meal of the day", and you either take it, or leave it.
the outdoors photos were all better on the sony. I assume he didn't set compensation for indoor lighting correctly.
Fun fact: a 1“ type sensor (what is commonly referred to as a 1“ sensor) is actually no where near 1“ in any dimension, it’s reference to the 1“ imagining tubes from old analog video cameras, that were replaced by these 1“ type sensors. This sensor actually only has a 15.8mm diagonal, so about 2/3“. There’s a great video on the matter by Philip Bloom
Yeah. The lens does not cover the whole sensor
I'd said similar. A surprisingly large amount of misinformation in this video all following on from that one incorrect fact.
@@anirbanbiswas3990 That's a completely different matter.
@@asystole_ ?
@@Rick_Air He also compared aperture numbers between different phones with different sized sensors without adjusting for crop factor.
The design on this phone is actually bloody amazing. One of the best I have seen in years actually.
I don't know what Marques was looking at on the photos nor what everyone else is looking at but All the sony pictures had the accurate color and were more detailed.
It's like he said in the vid, the vast majority of people (particularly average consumers) always pick the brighter more vibrant photos, even if they aren't as detailed or color accurate. The blind smartphone camera test he does every year kinda proves it too. Phones that have better cameras on paper generally lose to phones that do bright/vibrant photos.
@@VMYeahVN True but I’m pretty sure Sony isn’t marketing to the average consumer, but rather to photo enthusiasts and professionals.
Agree, he should have made a poll or something, Sony pictures looks way better
@@becomingfr33 Yeah, we'll see what happens in the next blind smartphone camera test. The audience for that is usually enthusiasts and techies and the bright vibrant pic phones usually won that over the accurate/detailed pics too. I guess the grander point is that while accurate it doesn't look impressive. Other phones ride the line better where it looks realistic but still has a little pop to it. Marques was just pointing out that the phone is doing little to no processing, almost to a fault. And even when it comes to enthusiasts and photographers, the phones catch of not actually using the full 1 inch sensor is an issue too. So I don't think it would sell well even among enthusiasts/photographers. It's a great try but they're still not ultimately achieving their goal, even when it comes to appealing to enthusiasts/niche.
@@Duudee111 poll*
Sony legit a goddamn chad
Everyone: "Your phones don't sell well!"
Sony: "Yes" *keeps making phones*
Now that you mention it, the Xperia series seems to "die" in the media every couple years, until they don't.
It’s like the dude who lives in his parents basement always saying he will be rich from crypto one day but only loses money from it.
@@Instantur It's different when you're an E-girl wearing a bikini on stream for twitch subs using your Sony Xperia as a webcam while your gaming rig mines whatever crypto currency Elon Musk says is *in* right now
Edit: I should probably mention that this is not career advice despite how successful some results may be
The specs of the phone are amazing. 6 inch screen size. 4k video. 120 hrtz refresh rate. 1 inch sensor on a smartphone. Separate shutter button. All those features sound like things we would want. It’s wild that the IPhone 13 takes “better” pictures while saving you 600.00$
@@ericmack001 honestly if I was to buy a 1100$ phone, 600$ wouldnt be be out of the question, if you buy a 1100$ you have money so 600$ isnt that far off. As in for the average consumer yes its a lot, my phone is just 250$ so 1700$ looks like a lot
I've been using sony phones for the past 5 years, maybe longer. I love how small they are (yet still powerful) and that I can use it with one hand. I'll be very sad if they ever stop making phones and I'm forced to get the larger phones.
You can grab the 5 mark III
Lol Realme phones and others of that level are 6.55' generally so.. if you looking for relatively 'small there's plenty to go around. Asus zenphone as well if I'm nt mistaken
@@KR-jg7gc 6.55 small? What r u smoking
@@RandomUser-tj3mg most flagships are 6.8' so 6.55 isn't exactly huge in modern day.
Context is modern day. Not 2015
Fully agreed! I have this phone. It's my 4th Sony and i LOVE it. The 5ii was awesome
Gotta say on the side by sides, the first image I def would choose the left. But as you started to show more examples, I was choosing the Sony image more and more. Starting I think with your selfie, the sony image looked better to me on my laptop. Still, the analysis of the Sony quirks is spot on.
It's less bright and flashy, but more true to life... Maybe with some post processing or more careful adjustment of the controls, the Sony could produce as good or better results than the iPhone, but the iPhone, Samsung, and Pixel have that computational/AI advantage where it's a much more "one-click for great results" solution, just one that gives you less control for the results you want, even if they are great. So Sony is definitely targeting a niche here, but a niche that clearly exists.
And as far as Sony phones go, I've gotta say this is the coolest one I've ever seen from them, so they're going in the right direction.
I almost feel Sony is secretly mimicking canon on this camera. Since canon doesn’t have a
Camera on a phone
@@datachu yeah i kinda like the more realistic colours compared to the iphone. but i wouldnt blame people for liking the iphone because it does give off nostalgic vibes(if i even make sense at this point lol)
@@trollpotatoe what you mean is warm color,
but yeah sony don't have that AI thing but i love how you can create the same picture with just some adjusting setting in camera menu well people don't care because that not confined to setting manually but with advance camera setting sony can make any image like apple, samsung, google with just change the setting on camera that why i can say sony have unique and special features and the pro literally for professional not just "pro" in other phone but still for photographers like me i still choose dslr 👀 well i have 2 sony phone for daily drive not for taking photo
Actually prefer the raw natural look to the images.
Most pros do. They know how to create.
That’s true. Ever since I got my new iPhone, my Instagram photos look way too bright and not as moody as I want them to be.
exactly what I was thinking. I actually prefer the photos shown on the right
Yeah same, of the photo comparisons he showed, l preferred the look of Sony's phones more often than iPhones
Me too! And I'm not even a pro.
MKBHD: Says "Quirks & Features"
Doug DeMuro: "Wait that's illegal"
I was looking for the Doug DeMuro reference and I found it.
More like: "Finally a worthy opponent!"
I said the same thing then deleted my comment. I was not first 🤣
True
When he said this, I immediately remembered who was always saying this. :))
When comparing the left and right pictures, I actually preferred the right ones for most of them
me too
All of them
Except the first one, yea the Xperia ones were better
MAN that sony is sooo crisp , like if u have adobe or lightroom , u can definitely create something beautiful
Unfortunately not the majority thinks this way.
People are so used to cringey stuff, one of the result is end of LG phones
My man's testing the camera in basic mode, they aren't meant to be compared auto-auto next to other phones, the whole point of the neutral colours and camera on the sony phones including the 1 iii is that they are better as a companion for photographers and people who dont want a super HDR bright ugly photo.
I have gotten a lot of photos from my 1 iii that are better than the photos you will get from any other smartphone simply because I use the camera how its intended.
ye no professional is ever going to pay 1700 dollars for a phone to take photos on auto
Even if this is a catch credit where credit due that Sony put their time and R&D to create this niche of a product. I just hope we can get more of these kinds of quirky products in the future.
Idk, to me it seems somewhat opposite. They're using the things from other more successful parts of the company to Frankenstein a phone. I'm sure that the BionZ processor, plus the CMOS sensor are benefiting from economics of scale, so just like apple using their M1 in everything, Sony is using components readily available to reduce costs in R&D. And then they're not putting in the work to actually optimize the phone experience, but instead hoping that the wow factor of a 1 inch sensor will be enough to buy a phone for such an insane price.
I don’t think we should. That’s like giving out participation medals and trophies. We can say this is a bad phone without hating on Sony.
Personally the screen is enough to make someone buy it, the camera is in no way bad obviously so if I had the money I would cop it. I also really like the aesthetic of the phone
@@mominsheheryarjovindah6006 1700 usd is quite steep for a screen considering we have great 120hz panels out there albeit not 4k. But yeah if money wasn’t an object, a 4k 120hz screen is cool
@@chrissorreda4982 Well the Xperia 1 III has the same screen and it costs $1299
I can always appreciate companies trying new stuff.
Same man, rip LG for that
except for lg swivel. i don't appreciate that at all. that "innovation" adds zero contribution to the smartphone industry.
The LG Wing was sick but... really not that useful of a feature
LG V50 tho, with case acting as 2nd Screen, no that's cool
@@pemuda7075 innovation can come from many forms, not just some improved hardware, it falls into the "increment" category for me, but suit yourself I guess. I still think it's cool enough to give me looking for longer
U might appreciate it but u don't buy them
Ok nobody's saying it so leme
Sony is making some of the best looking phones of all time.
The industrial design is *chef's kiss*
True. And the 21:9 screen is super handy to work with. They are just expensive 😢
It's literally just a black rectangle.
@@ambientobsession5298 then it's the sexiest black rectangle there is
@@ambientobsession5298 I take my rectangles black
@@ambientobsession5298
Lately everyone's been making oddly shaped phones in psychedelic Rainbo barf colors.
There's something to be said about a simple well crafted black rectangle 🖤
Thanks for bringing this up, the whole computational photography thing is really the central point here.
I do a lot of mirrorless photography so sometimes people ask me what phone they should get for the best photo quality. I usually tell them that we're now in the post-hardware-specs era where it doesn't really matter that much what the sensor is actually outputting, it only matters what the software then does with this image. If an image looks more appealing at first glance in a side-by-side comparison it's not because the sensor has some crazy stats that make the image look better, it's usually just because the processing adapts the colours and details to look more like whatever patterns some neural network has extracted from a huge dataset of aesthetically pleasing professionally edited images.
I understand what you are getting at, but it is not really true and it is very evident by the quality of the photos that Marques showed here from the Sony compared to the iPhone. Any decent camera, event a point and shoot like the Sony RX will have way better quality than any phone camera can produce. Mobile photography always has that fake HDR look to it, even during the day, never enough contrast since the dynamic range is faked.
Of course some shots do benefit a lot from that computational photography so out of the camera and to people that don't really understand post processing it is way easier to get a better photo on an iPhone or similar, but there is still no competition between a dedicated camera and a phone.
With this said, the best camera is the one you got with you, so most times that is your phone! :)
@@greven182 Yes, completely agree about that fake HDR look! We're nowhere near the point yet where I'd trade my Sony A7S II for a phone camera. Although as you point out, most people won't notice it that much under "normal" (i.e. whatever the algorithms have been optimized for) conditions.
However I'd go even further and say that it's not just that non-photographers don't notice, it's rather that phones and cameras are competing in slightly different spaces. For someone creating photos that are to be viewed on a small screen, competing against over-saturated Instagram photos, while under time pressure to get content out immediately during some event, those iPhone/Samsung/Pixel phone cameras might just be the better tool for the job even for people heavily invested in all their proper camera gear.
@@PascalSommerMovies Completely agree with that. Would love that my phone have as great image quality as my mirrorless in some years, but physical limits won’t make it true unless ML get so good to the point of faking the image quality. I do wish there would be a Sony alpha camera mixed with a Pixel phone tho!
and this is why i switched to a samsung s22 from a p40. the software isn't that good. the camera is amazing on the p40 dont get me wrong but sometimes its let down because of the software plus having no software updates and flares is really annoying. glad i switched to the s22. amazing software and hardware + snapdragon gen 1 is amazing when it comes to photography!!
@@greven182 You hit the nail. Even in 2008 I took some "great" photos with my mobile phone. But it was all HDR processing in reality
Its the best point and shoot camera sony had ever sold. It even comes with smartphone features!
Jokes aside, is it really? I think all the RX cameras are so much better than this.
@@baonguyenthai3840 I'm wondering if Sony is going to release a RX100 VIII? If so, I'll just wait.
I reckon best Sony point and shoot camera phone is still the 5 iii atm. Same camera UI, more focal length to play with but cheaper and more consumer oriented
@@baonguyenthai3840 You can't really compare this with the RX100, this is more like the RX0 II
More like the worst point and shoot camera. Even $100 point and shoot camera from the previous decade is better than this.
Everyone: Our phones are catching up to the full-size camera.
Sony: My full-size camera is catching up to the modern smartphone.
Market idea, You can swap in a sim card into your camera and use it to text and call when you only want to carry that device. Or make cell plans are cheap enough you can put a sim card into every device to access data.
🤣😂
remember in 2013 the samsung s4 zoom i think it was called ,that had a proper optical 10x zoom lens that came out the phones body, that was a phone on a camera not a camera on a phone ,and that allowed the samsung phones to be used as a remote viewfinder and trigger
Remembered the Galaxy Camera 2?
It was basically a point-and-shoot with a Galaxy S3 slapped on the back 👌
@Edward Smith Sony cameras run a variant of Android. You can install third party apps on some of the older ones.
I have a web browser on my RX100
Not gonna lie, I totally went for the right on every single of those image comparisons. I realise how strange the colours are on iPhone. Why's it so damn yellow 😂
Wow you’re so special and have such good taste!
Haha me too, I choose what looks more natural and not brighter
As a 13 pro max user, I can say that I like the camera design 😀.... You gotta respect Sony, they have class of their own
gotta save for this SX Pro-i
If Sony phones were only available in more markets, current flagships wouldn’t be so relaxed. Competition like this is always good for us consumers.
@Joe lol :)
Not at all at $1800.
@Joe lmaooooo
EDIT: Also it's hard to tell sarcasm through a message unless you make it exceptionally obvious which you did not.
I like this new sony design, it's like a smartphone in the future
Nope. They're too expensive and too niche. They would be unpopular in other markets just like they are here and would never be a concern to Apple or Samsung as they are. Btw what phone do you use?
Tbh, with the exception of the remote, I'd have picked the Sony's image as being better every time
The actual remote looks worse in the Sony image, but the background is SO much better looking
Same, that over processing just makes the iphone image obvious
Exactly my preference too. The remote one looks kinda off, but the others looked great, and they're so much sharper than the iPhone.
I must be in a minority that likes my pictures to be exactly what I see in front of me and not what the manufacture thinks I want to see, that being said the camera is only a fraction of the equation. I prefer Sony's design, the headphone Jack is ok and the SD card reader is a plus. Video out is big for me and finding a phone that has it is challenging if you don't like Samsung and Apple products. The price is steep for what it is but that's been a Sony thing forever and I doubt they are going to change that. In their defense, I've never had to replace one of their products because of a defect so I feel whatever I may spend is a good investment because I don't change my phone every year.
The point is, that not everyone sees the same as you do, and even you don't always see the same.given the same comditions, so it's impossible for your camera to capture "what you see".
It will always have different something.
That said, some touch up everything so badly that it's DEFINITELY not what anyone sees and it's often such a bummer :(
@@Anankin12 sure, but some cameras take more natural photos than others. Many cameras increase saturation and brightness beyond what a human would see to make the pictures more eye catching. You could try to make a camera that mimics what most people see
Also prefer true to life photos.
Your description fits perfectly; you ARE the minority. Same as all the pros out there. A small niche group compared to what Apple serves up to the masses. They don't care about all the small nuances involved in photography they can get to play with in post. They just want to point the camera and get a good picture. Camera phones are the new point and shoot cameras.
The masses just want a phone with a camera. Sony will specialize in those pro photographers, that want a phone, but have a need to always have a good camera by their side.
@@krane15 then why spend 1000 plus on iPhones that produce same results as midrange phones and don't have SD, card, headphone, game features and full camera control...so basically average user just needs 400 phone like pixel 5a...Xperia can do everything iphone do plus more...no need to spend 1000 on any flagship phone that are missing Sony features.
I bought this phone and i LOVE it! It's my 4th Sony (Z3v, ZX2 compact, 5 ii, Pro-I). I've loved every one. They were about the first to make their phone truly waterproof (took my Z3V swimming more than once). I love love love the camera shutter button! I use it all the time. This camera phone is purely AMAZING. I look forward to learning how to squeeze all its abilities out. I also shoot a Sony mirrorless camera, so it's very nice to have the same controls.
The comparison pics are actually what gets me sold for this phone. I just love the natural look and the obvious increase in color depth. The crop on the 1" feels a bit like fake advertising though and it is a really hefty price tag - but for having a phone with an actual camera in my pocket instead of those overprocessed images... I may be game...
Yes... But it's $1800...
Everyone forgets the phone also has a 4k 120hz oled and shoots 4k 120fps video.
@@jochemlaurenssen9440 With an actual video-cam interface and not a fully AI-automated one button clusterfuck of a UI
@@chris_ss2 wish it was like 1400. would make this decision so much less ridiculous… x.x
What you're looking for is shooting RAW. Most high-end phones already have that option.
"with another ridiculous set of quirks and features"
Doug would like a word with you
Doug de Muro
THIS... is the Sony Xperia
@@nugenki Damn it you beat me to it
Doug DebackthatassupMuro
MKBHD is bad, My content is better!
Perfect camera for someone like me, who loves photography, but doesn't love to bring a whole camera bag every trip. I use my phone for 95% of my images and people keep asking what kinda sick camera I use. It's only a OnePlus 7 Pro, which needs replacement in the next 1 or 2 years. So I'm keeping my eyes open for the next generation of Sony phones, without the catch.. :)
I use OnePlus 6T for pictures also ! It's a good phone ! I love the oxygen OS also !
And I assume for somewhat more sane price than this one.
Just buy an iPhone 13 and an RX100 for that price.
Buy a real camera if you love photography.
@@MTCBKK lmao? they're all real cameras. did you not just see them comment that they don't like to bring a whole camera every trip? you might prefer a better camera and that's ok but don't force someone to do the same thing as you when there isn't a wrong way to do photography. some people like the versatility and convenience of using a phone camera. respect that.
I actually like the natural look way better than the over processed photos of so many phones these days.
MKBHD having the "Immune" book from Kurzgesagt, good stuff :D
Where?
I didn't notice either :0
1:35
I was screaming “the right photos look better!”
Yes! except for the TV remote
Try images with long exposure . iPhone looks like a toy in comparison with sony xperia pro i
I was about to write the samething, lowkey he's dck riding iphone too much...those artificial colors ain't it
All except the first one
Yeah, I'm surprised by how bad iPhone camera is, it's hyped as one of the best.
The camera on the right I think is higher quality, it looks more honest and doesn't have the "processed" detail look. I use a sony alpha camera as a hobbyist so might be the reason i prefer it.
Nah, it's just him being an iphone fanboy
I'm surprised even MARQUES got this wrong at 3:49 "a full one inch diagonal"
Small sensor naming is super confusing so it's an easy mistake to make. But NO MEASUREMENT on a "1 inch sensor" gets close to an inch. Not the width not the height, not the diagonal and not the surface area.
A 1 inch sensor has a size "roughly equivalent to the sensitive area of a video tube of *1 inch diameter* "
I did like the sony's pictures more tho because the details looked less washed out
Just one more catch: the 1" sensor is actually 2/3" diagonally.
They are called 1 inch type sensors, kind of like how 5nm process does not mean the feature size is 5nm on the transistors
@@martinzhang5533 Exactly, except that semiconductor process nodes have slowly strayed from the actual feature size, whereas optical format has always been (roughly) a fixed ratio from the physical sensor size.
Nope, 2/3 is iPhone Pro sized camera sensor, approximately 0.667", meanwhile the crop factor from this camera is 1/1.33" Or approximately 0.75"
@@danielkudo4800 I recommend reading about optical format. The inch type doesn't actually refer to the physical size of the sensor.
He also compared aperture numbers between different phones with different sized sensors without adjusting for crop factor. You can't just say that f/2 optics "let in less light" than another phone with an f/1.8 lens when the latter has a way smaller sensor.
Looks like Marques already got his hands on the 'Immune' by Kurzgesagt. Must be a beauty to look at.
I have it. It’s meh.
I was looking for the comment about that
@@Aashishkebab really?!?
@@Aashishkebab Seriously? do you have a hard copy? I have the kindle version, so I was curious about the book.
@@joeljose1001 yes, I have a hard copy. The writing isn't very professional sounding. I'm just not a huge fan of the writing style.
6:39 When you compared pictures I picked the one on the right. Especially for the selife, it was clearly the much better picture.
Except for the cone pic with the sky in the background, I actually preferred the shots taken on the Xperia. Both phones have great camera systems, though. It all comes down to personal preference.
I thought the exact same thing. The Xperia cone picture looked like it was true to life but the iPhone version just looked better. The others I think the xperia had a better and more natural look
agreed 100
Other products: I have been using this phone for weeks now and heres my thought.
Sony: I have been using this phone for 10mins and here's my thought
@@fantasytky28 That's what I was wondering. No RAW images? No footage from Cinema Pro?
@@pixels_per_inch lol you even expecting raw and cinema pro footage? He don't even show a simple video footage, and only merely less than 5 pics to conclude the whole product.
Expecting Sony to be properly reviewed as their intended usage is not what they do in this channel, at least for Sony. Go back and watch any of the Sony videos in this channel, none of them properly reviewed as targeted usage.
And this video just prove it even further. It is such a pro and versatile camera system and the review given here are not even fair review to a 300 dollar phone.
Even his review/ads on a case/sticker is way properly done than this video
“Sony phones don’t sell well”
Sony: Alright let’s make this one more expensive than the competition and see how it goes
Tbh, the last one started at $2500. That's progress, I guess...
It's for a niche market.
@@ParhamAz Yes but that one was meant to be a monitor and a phone, this is just a phone.
lol, there cameras sell really well, so maybe they just wanted to try a crossover
@@somephysicist they have "tried" quite a few crossovers now.
I hope Sony uses this announcement-release pattern for all their phones going forward. The Xperia 5 III was announced in April and people are only getting their hands on it late last month.
Yeah this was the first announcement and launch they've actually nailed in a few years.
So what it sounds like is the images pulled from this phone are meant to be shot in raw, whereas iPhone photos are artificially edited to look their best. So yeah, for most people an iPhone is going to look better in daily use, but for someone like me who uses Lr CC heavily, this might actually be useful for me
It's funny how a MicroSD slot and a Headphone Jack are soo rare on "Pro" phones...
For professional quality.
I feel like the “pro” and “ultra” subtitles are just another word for “luxury”
Sony has the best in class headphones, so I believe they will keep the jack forever.
When Sony adds "Pro" to the name, they really mean it.
@@pixels_per_inch that's true..
Having both a headphone jack and a SD card slot in a 2021 flagship phone is most impressive!
if your using SD card and Headphone jack in 2021, it means your poor as faack or your from a poor country
@@TomTomdog people with hifiman susvaras would want to have a word with you
@@TomTomdog did it not occur to you that this phone is *more money* than a fucking galaxy fold? Or the same price as a thom browne galaxy zflip3 that also comes with buds 2, watch 4, and a bunch of other shit? Please shut up. You are wrong.
@@Epsi1ong lol the only headphones he knows are probably airpods and beats by dre
@@TomTomdogalso, as minh long said, there are corded headphones that cost more than your fucking rent, and idk about you but last i checked terabyte microsd cards haven't gone down to "cheap things for poor people" yet. You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?
Sony is starting to become my go-to for recommending higher end Android Smartphones. Now if they made some budget phones, they would get all of my recommendations.
I highly doubt that Sony can make a good budget phone. The Xperia 10 line is maybe not really budget, but somewhat affordable. The problem is that the 10 is so inferior to the Xperia 5 and Xperia 1 and even other phones in that price range. It does have head phone jacket and a SD slot, but on all other aspects it is a mediocre phone. Even the camera on the Xperia 10 is not that good. It feels like they design the software for their high-end phones and it doesn't really work on the cheaper Xperia 10.
Naahh, budget phone has been their Achilles heel, imo lol. I owned the Xperia C, Xperia E, and used the 1st-gen Xperia 10 for 2 months. They're pretty lackluster for the price. I'm more of the "they should just focus on building flagships" crowd, personally.
They have 10iii 5G. Its pretty good & quite affordable for a IP68 phone
Its one of a kind .. with the biggest pixel size in any smartphone. You missed the point entirely. This phone gives the most natural and pleasing dynamic range and shots 4k 120 fps with the most beautiful skin tones in any such device.
This is why no TH-cam reviewers of smartphones with cameras should review cameras with smartphones.
best sony phone model i have ever seen
CORONAVIRUS
@@Lol-rv5bv ?
This looks cool but my personal pick is still the black xperia z5
@@Lol-rv5bv unfunny bro
@@Lol-rv5bv ??
Just because it’s using a smaller portion of the sensor doesn’t make the pictures darker or brighter, pixel pitch is what determines the sensitivity of the photosites (individual pixels).
Yeah - he didn't say the smaller sensor made the pictures brighter or darker.
In terms of hardware, it's the camera settings (ISO, shutter, aperture) which set the photo brightness. Also, in phone software is doing adjustments too.
Fact
However, the pixels on the sensor will be the same pitch as a 12mp sensor of 1/1.3 inch type sensor. Combined with the brighter aperture of rival phones, the Sony is still going to perform worse in low light.
Though, the difference shown is primarily down to Sony's more traditional image processing, which doesn't properly utilise computational advantages of modern smartphones
1:36 A fellow kurtzgesgat supporter
The book cover be drippin'
Yeah ducks and birds gang wya?
@@vibeymonk I first read it as “dicks and birds” was quite confused for a sec 🤣
@@rishyiv lmaooo
I see you have tech-term knowledge and knowledge of optics, electronics, etc. I started to use sony products in the 1980s and last was my small Vaio computer, I used another computer(Vaio-2000 time), and still works, but the memory and hard drive are obsolete but did not broke ever. My mother watch a 24or 26inch sony TV since 1986 and said that still works. Used sony Discman, sony cassette desk, sony cassette player, walkman, Minidisc, video camera, and so on. Dedicated sony products lover. Need to buy a sony camera, but it costs 8000$ which I like.
Love that you took the guys advice from the podcast about building a story and used the “with a catch” in the title! Genius! Keep up the great work team!
Noticed that :)
Personally I liked every single one of Sony's photos over the iPhones. Its clear that the added tech is producing higher quality photos.
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I agree. This HDR craze is so frustrating
A "1 inch type" sensor is NOT 1 inch in diagonal! It's more like 16mm or 0.62". Huge difference!
Thank you. Finally someone knows what they are talking about.
Interesting. What makes it a "1 inch sensor?" Marketing or some weird camera spec?
@@turbotaquitogoogle8095 It's based on old Video Camera Tubes - the "sensors" (cathode ray tubes) used in television cameras back in the days before the first "modern" CCD sensors in the 1980s.
Of course marketing people always use the largest number they can claim, so these were marketed by the external physical diameter of the tube made of thick glass, so the useful diagonal was much smaller - a 1" tube (25mm) would only have about 16mm of useful diagonal sensitive area.
When modern silicon CCD and CMOS sensors started replacing them, marketing people conveniently borrowed that old convention (that at least had some basis back in the day) to call 16mm diameter rectangular sensors 1" (25mm) sensors although there is nothing on the sensor that measures anywhere close to 25mm.
It’s eaven smaller, because sony use not the whole sensor, it’s about 1/1,38”
@@JC-XL Shit, that's pretty cool. Thanks for the response!
Dream phone for photography…i would have one really. Oh and the fact that it is a more “flat pic” at 7:26 makes photo editing better
classic mkhd to highlight a quirk for 11 minutes and not mention anything about:
- sony's world class object tracking brought to the pro-i
- eye auto focus
- 12bit raw video
- glossing over that color accuracy is hard and sony does it well.. hence it being a pro camera not an insta-computational-blasted imaging device
He is an apple fanboy. What do you expect?
Who cares about 12-Bit Raw video, though? If you're a content creator, you'd be MUCH better served by a $1000 Sony Camera and an $800 Xperia phone instead of $1800 for this. Who's going to seriously produce content on this phone??
@@nickmotsarsky4382 Vlogers potentially. Social media like TikTok, Instagram is huge
You can tell he is just making a video for the sake of it. His heart is not in it.
@@abrararifify So, a Vlogger is going to buy an $1800 phone instead of a $1000 Sony RX100 compact camera that's going to produce MUCH higher image quality? Yeah, okay..
3:47 a 1 inch sensor does not mean it has a 1 inch diagonal and it doesn’t. Basic sensor format knowledge.
On the other hand, the bigger the sensor, the better the picture. See, its all in how its written. Aka, marketing. There's a reason its a profession all by itself.
Sony should get more recognized in the smartphone industry, they are underrated ngl.
When they make phones like this, it's clear they don't want to be adopted by the public
great hardware, terrible software
Their software is garbage
Used an z3 and later an xz3
And the software experience was terrible, they take so many questionable decisions that shoot them in the foot.
@@evila9076 Samsung software is garbage not Sony's. Sony's one is refined. My favourite after Stock Android.
Buy one, try it. I Z3+, XA1, 1II owner here.
Looks great, doesn't work.
Alright people ....i think the naming of sony is not difficult
Xperia 1 - flagship ( similar to samsung S line)
Xperia 5- mid range ( similar to samsung A line)
Xperia 10- comparatively budget. ( Similar to Samsung F or M line)
Mark i , ii, iii is like the model released in the price range .
So if you compare xperia 1 ii and xperia 1 iii . You know its their 3rd flagship phone.
It's really not difficult at all.
A 1” sensor is not one inch in diagonal. It refers to the length of the camera tube that the format is based on. A 1” sensor has diagonal of 16mm that’s about the same size as a frame of Super 16 film.
so it turns out he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Interesting, I want to know more about that
A 1" sensor does have a 1" diagonal. A 1" type(!) sensor doesn't have a 1" diagonal.
@@Quoutub The closest thing to a 1" diagonal sensor is APS-C. But sensor terminology is not based on a sensors diagonal. In fact when someone is reffing to a dimension of a sensor they're usually referring to its width or the width of the closes corresponding pice of film. When someone is talking about a 1" sensor, they're always talking about a 1" Type sensor because there is no such thing as an actual 1" sensor for that to be confused with.
@@VariTimo "When someone is talking about a 1" sensor"
When I talk about a 25.4mm or 1" sensor, then I am talking about a 1" sensor. When I talk about a 1" type sensor, then I am talking about a 1" type sensor. It's not my fault, if someone doesn't know the difference. The size of something can always be expressed in mm or inches. It doesn't matter what incorrect language the majority uses. The majority are not scientists. Another example is Samsung's 64 megapixel 28mm camera, which is called a tele camera by the media. A 28mm camera with a high resolution isn't a tele camera, no matter what the seeming majority writes.
1" type and 1" are NOT the same thing, a common misunderstanding.
Honestly I like the sony photos side by side. Especially looking at how well it did the outline of your hair, much better than the iphone shots. Great video!
Nobody choose that lol
He is just saying his choice & of cause because it's Apple
@@ElvisChibundu exactly
Clearly Sony’s pictures were better
@@vikasvhiremath5067 it’s a preference.
Thanks for reviewing Sony phones Marques. Means a lot to check em’ out that way.
It turns out that there was a good reason the whole sensor isn't used, and there are benefits from doing what they did versus using a smaller sensor. Has alot to do with noise/aberrations/clarity etc and shutter speed or something. Worth looking into before thinking Sony was trying to look impressive for no reason.
I think the next gen chips (post 888) will be a game changer for in-phone camera setups like this and we'll see more.
I liked the Sony pictures more. Iphone's looked over saturated and over sharpened and whites look more blue in comparison.
1:40 Yoo, MKBHD has also bought the IMMUNE book
Let’s goo kurzgesagt ftw!!
This phone is the epitome of
“I need to make a call, Can I have your camera please?”
I'm not an expert about the definition to the coverage of camera. What I love so much about Sony is they don't fake the result of the picture. For other brands of smartphone, they have too much brightness to that person you're taking is totally different when you see that person right there in front of you, while sony tells the truth, what you see is real in everything.
Great vid, informative as always. One small thing: A 1" sensor is NOT 1" on the diagonal. It is not 1" anywhere. Sensor names, at least the small ones, are based on the old analogue video tube descriptions which reference the outside diameter of the tube, not the photo sensitive area.
Both the tubes and their name inheriting digital sensors have a smaller area to capture an image. 1" sensors are closer to ~.65". Give or take, depending on the manufacturer.
Yeah but so are all the other sensors out there so the size comparison and stuff like this still works.
@@Raja995mh33 Sure, that part of the comparison was fine and what I said was for edification, not criticism.
However, if one truly wants to compare sensors, it is more complicated than simply size. But I'm sure Marques understands his audience' interest doesn't go that deep.
It’s so sweet to see you are rocking the immune book from kurzgesagt (around 1:45)
8:20 It is wrong to say "since lenses are circles". The reason the projected image is circular is that a typical lens has rotationally symmetric structure - it has the same curvature in every direction. The lens could be cut out in the shape of a square, but the projected image would still be circular.
why will the square lens project a circular image? if its a square it can't have the same curvature on all sides right?
@@tt-nm4yj I am referring to the curvature of the 3D surface of the lens, not its boundary.
Picture a large sphere centred around the camera. The camera is looking out into space, and each direction corresponds to a point on this sphere. The lens is able to correctly focus light from some region, *R* , of this sphere, but outside region *R* the light is either blocked by the camera housing or the lens cannot focus it correctly without artefacts like blur and chromatic aberration. When we talk about the "shape" of the projected image, we really mean the shape of the region in the image that is correctly focused, which is the projection of *R* . For a rotationally symmetric lens, *R* is circular and its projection is circular. For a square lens with rotationally symmetric surface curvature, if *R* is circular then the projection of *R* is still circular. The question is whether *R* is circular. It usually is. Providing the corners of the square do not inhibit or enhance the lens' ability to gather and focus light from particular directions, and providing the camera housing is not asymmetric, then *R* will be circular.
@@danielgould5530 you are right.
I love the fact that you have the Kurzgesagt immune book next to the phone in one of the shots!
Great quotes about Sony products : "Sony is like that extremely smart, straight A student but hardly have any friends"
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More like the perfect boyfriend/girlfriend material but no one wants to date.
As an Xperia user, I agree with thIs.😄
The most japanese description ever made
Seems like friends from Apple made a call to MKBHD.
Apple Guy- Hey, have you seen Xperia Pro-i, it is tooo good with its manual photography techniques.
Mkbhd- Yes, it seems incredible after checking out few other youtubers.
Apple Guy- Yes, and we are worried that it would hurt our sales for iPhone 13 Max Pro.
MkBhD- It might.
Apple Guy- So, we want you to make it look little small in front of our 13 pro max so don't show its manual photography and other great video thing.
MkbhD- Okay Boss, but it comes with a cost.
Apple guy- Got it, check your phone. But remember no manual photography skills to be shown.
MkbhD gets a notification on his phone, Dear, XXXXX $ has been credited to your account.
MkbhD - Sure, 13 pro max is the best, Sony sucks in Auto-photography.
Apple Guy- Great, that's the narrative. You're the best.
I feel like they should have ditched the secondary cameras and just teamed up with Moment or created their own to launch with attachable lenses for the main camera.
Exactly what I want in a phone... having tiny seperate sensor for each lense is just stupid
Yes! Oh my god yes! Attachable fucking lenses!
I wouldn't feel like carrying around several lenses with my phone all the time in order to take photos, and there's the possibility of losing them or breaking them which would make it Impossible to use them obviously but also probably difficult to find a replacement anywhere outside the US. If they can make a mechanism that will move the sensor between different lenses that would be ideal
Sorry, but this would never work. If you want swappable lenses, buy a mirrorless. Smartphone has to be an all-in-one solution, that can actually fit in your pocket.
Atttachable lens without a proper mount will produce shitty photos.
Try images with long exposure . iPhone looks like a toy in comparison with sony xperia pro i
I love that you can see the aperture moving in the lens when you try to toggle it from the setting.
“The best camera in any phone”
Alternative title: Phone in best camera.
2nd best goes to VIVO X70 Pro
@@tnoahsamuel bruh
This took better photos than the iPhone what you mean. And it’s meant for professionals to edit after if they want
Me holding my S9+ with variable aperture: "I knew it would return!"
How's the camera compared to today's premium mid range phone and how's the battery 🔋 life?
@@ShubhamNagarji Camera and battery are great for me. Not upgrading until the phone dies.
@@ShubhamNagarji the biggest downside is the 12MP sensor. you have 0 digit zoom (worth using) and no optical zoom. otherwise great
It's time for IRIS sensor to come back as well
@@ShubhamNagarji honestly I reckon my S9+ camera is shit compared to today's offerings. Probably more software advances than hardware though. Battery is solid 3 years on.
I mean, you could say the same thing about Samsung that you do about Google and Sony. Samsung makes pretty much everything under the Sun. In the western market they are big players in display tech and products like TVs (both consumer and industrial), as well as all price brackets of solid state storage, every type of home appliance, and even home audio.
In South Korea they make everything from elevators to tanks to live saving medicine and medical technology.
Sure, they make a ton of money on their phone sales, but their business isn't reliant on their phones selling well.
Image preference is subjective, and i like how sony dont turn bright all stuff and add some kind of cinematic feeling in the image, i love that!😍
The catch is you have to know EXACTLY what you want for the photo.
If you do, this is going to give you literally the PRO level results.
If you don't, Galaxy, iPhone, Pixel is better for you.
Nope. Any real "Pro" would use the $1000 RX100 or any other mirrorless camera that would produce MUCH better results vs this $1800 phone. I don't know who this phone is even for..
@@nickmotsarsky4382 it’s for the pros that don’t carry a camera around with them all day also people who want a headphone jack
@Tessoro Desoto dude have you seen those footages other TH-camrs have been producing with this phone?
It doesn't produce images anywhere near a real camera. If you want to take nice photos go buy a used DSLR for $500.
Personally opinion
6:36 Left is better
6:52 Right is better
7:01 Right is maybe better but both are good
7:11 Don't know which one is better
7:20 Right is better
NGL, would have liked a mirrorless style hot swap lens system. Leave this lens in most of the time, but then swap it out for a greater Z axis lens with whatever zoom you want, maybe even a 1.4 for great low light and full sensor coverage
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They did this before back when they had the Z3 ages ago, but it was a wireless zoom lens and sensor in one unit, you clipped it onto the back of your phone and controlled it with your phone. Gave you cybershot quality shots but didn't take up as much space in your pocket cause it was just a lens.
@@aaroncarter8845 Adding glass in front of a bad lens doesnt fix the bad lens. This lens is bad because it cuts off so much of the sensor
@@9a2er Yes, but i'd like to be able to use the full sensor, a simple linear motor could be used to extend the lens assembly, but then you'd need at least 2 lenses for focus
11:23 the crop uses only a 1/1.3" sized middle portion of the 1" sensor!
Do any of the other flagships mentioned at 3:52 commit this kind of marketing-dishonesty?
There are positives to the sensor size even with a crop. The pixels themselves are much larger and so they perform better in low light.
I mean, it's probably cheaper for them to use sensors that already exist instead of getting new small ones. Marketing the phone as "1in sensor" thou? I don't like it.
Might me cool, if they allowed the whole sensor to be read out, allowing any possible aspect ratio inside the large circle, like these insta-glasses(?).
That’s not how a 1 inch sensor work, the light from the lens falls on all parts of the sensor, that is why its called a 1 inch sensor, this part in the video was a little misleading or poorly researched.
@@kk5336 If it is true that the phone only allows readout from the middle crop as shown, then it doesn't matter if any light reaches outside the cropped zone.
The Sony pictures were definitely way better though. So much so that I'm wondering if you accidentally got them mixed up lol
People want brighter not better photos.
It looked much better to me too. His hand details looked amazing in comparison to iPhone picture.
@@MELAVINKING just turn up the brightness of the phone lol
@@nchmusic99 I am okay with the camera output of both phones. I have just observed that most people with no knowledge of camera etc will most likely choose the brighter photos.
@@MELAVINKING Although I like Sony phones , I prefer the photos on the iPhone not because of the brightness, it has a cooler tone which I love over warm tone , don’t wanna deal with the manual mode , just want a cooler tone on the automatic mode
I really love that Sony hasn’t gave up the smartphone business!
6:38 I actually prefer the one on the right (Xperia Pro-I)
You can see how Marques loves so much cameras that he makes every single new xperia a new video explaining why its so good, bad also so unique, and everyone here loves to watch it.