Game Theory: Why You CAN'T Beat Super Smash Bros Ultimate!
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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is one of the biggest releases in Nintendo history. Like they said, EVERYONE is here... mostly. With all these characters I had to wonder - how many ways can you play? Let me tell you, it's a LOT. Just how BIG is this game?
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*"Hey MatPat?"*
*"Yeah?"*
*"I...I didn't hit record...you need to repeat those numbers"*
#blamejason
@@krisbeagles7045 XD
How close is this number to a marioplex?
dear Avienda Margheim,
Marioplex = 10 to the 12,431
Smash bros combinations = 1,087,029,621,867,929,534,719,356,228,316,692,480,000,000,000,000,000,
Sincerely,Andrew
thats a pogface right there
MatPat: *calculates all this math*
DLC: Ima stop ya right there.
If he doesn't make a follow up vid I'm gonna do it myself
@@cadeyoung4406 do it coward
@@GPanimates I'm actually working on it now, I will send updates
@@cadeyoung4406 I'll be sure to watch it sorry for calling you a coward
@@GPanimates You good, but I'm not sure when it will be done, I don't have a ton of spare time to do this, but I will let you know when it's done
Cold Open: "GOKU for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate"
Me, from the future: *Laughs in Kingdom Hearts*
Yes
Also me: Laughs in Final Fantasy VII
Laughs in minecraft.
*laughs in undertale… kinda…*
*Stares at fortnite* "Well. If they can do it...."
To be fair. Now that it’s out with even more characters, mii special move combinations, and the host of diverse rulesets you can customize in ultimate, you could probably name a number after Sakurai.
Mom: what are you watching?
Me: numbers
Mom: what?
Me: that's the best way to describe this
1st reply
3rd reply
5Th replay
Sup dudes xD
I like cheese
No one tell him about stage builder I don’t think his heart can handle it.
Oh jesus
Or the option of choocing what trophys or pokemon you can throw out
And also all the skins of the mii characters and the new characters + maps
Let hope he doesn't do the video again + stage builder he will go nuts
I am the 69 likes
Well, technically, one of the options for Timed in Ultimate is infinity, so really Smash Bros Ultimate is just flat out impossible to even beat even if the universe lasted forever.
Not to mention custom stages, introduced back in Brawl. Basically another Marioplex in those things.
You should come back to this now that the game has been out for so long and has SO MANY characters. You could cover spirits too and get some REALLY big numbers.
yas!
replying bc i agree 👍
Matpat- you can't beat Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Jirard the compleationist- hold my diet peach Snapple
Jesus let Jirard have a life
Underaged comment
But I like Strawberry kewi 😞
"Can a game filled with randomness also be competitive?"
Ever heard of a thing called Poker?
Ophi Green
Who plays competitive poker? Tournament style? It's more luck based than skill based.
There's no real time limit in Poker. You can take your time to strategize through the randomness. What people are complaining about is randomness in a fighting game.
Poker is only luck based if you don't understand numbers.
you really have never seen the sun in a very long time haven't you?
you have never seen the sunlight in a very long time.
20:19 3 years later and he still hasn't done it.
Ye
Hopefully he does it before he retires
I love how dark this got in less than 30 secs 0:22
No its purple and yellow because it's the color of the Los Angeles Lakers and Shaquille O'Neal with his Shaqfu moveset will join the roster
LMFAO
Lol
A IntroSpecktive reference right there
Intro!!!
0:41 COCKarot
This whole episode just feels like "But wait, there's more!"
This whole channel just feels like "But wait, there's more!"
"But *WA* it, there's more!"
Smashin 2022 BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE TO KILL YOU WITH MATPAT(taPtaM)
@@donovandouglas6817 pssps
@@EdbertWeisly”But wait, WaPeach, there’s more!”
You M U S T come back to finish this Matpat.
This guy deserves a freaking award
Shulk:sees into 1849164814 futures
Mario: how many survivors are left
Shulk: only one...
And it's the sexy middle aged Mr. Tingle
K I R B Y
Its supposed to be "in how many of them do we win"
Well that's just grea- *Gets obliterated by the light*
Emilio Moreno Shulk: Kirby, this was the only way. (gets shot and turned to dust)
MatPat: "Including Waluigi"
*after the last smash direct*
Last playable character Pirhana plant
Me: "hahahahahahahaha"
Anonymous Wisp assist trophies can’t be DLC
He said that the direct 11.8.18 was gonna be the last one *BEFORE* the game. So more characters are gonna be introduced
Anonymous Wisp no sakurai said that piranha plant is separate from the fighter pass so 5
WALUIGI FOR DLC!!!!
@@king-exe7171 Plant is not part of the 5 character pass.
The only channel that can truly have a long animated intro
Petition for Mat to redo this video but with the knowledge of the confirmed info about ultimate and factoring in the player combinations
I'm a time traveller from the future here to tell you that Waluigi still isn't in Smash.
I can confirm. I am now in the future.
Daniel Mattes Now I am.
I time traveled 7 years
NO I AM!!!!
NO I AM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WALUGI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'm gonna to name a number after you" sounded threatening somehow.
Or creepy
So will the number be 6 cause matpat is 6 letters
How close us that number to a marioplex
The Sakuraiplex!
matecillion
@The Game Theorists
Suggestion. Since you mentioned revisiting this theory and number in the future. Now that Smash Ultimate is getting what is confirmed to be the final character in the title -- whoever is released following Kazuya -- now may be the time, with some revisions. Yes, I will happily help you stretch this to make the Sakurai number.
=76 base-game fighters + 12 DLC = 88 total fighters
=2-8 possible players, CPU and Amiibo options both, with CPUs being set between levels 1-9 and Amiibos being set between levels 1-50
=The Stage Builder option could use the same math & logic as what you presented in Mario Maker which could add an astronomical amount by itself
=Being able to set the BGM to any one of several specified tracks per stage
=Everything that you mentioned 20:09 -- Smashdown, Tourney mode, etc
There's probably more variations that I forgot to mention, but yeah, if you're determined to create a new number to name after Mr. Sakurai, I think I have the theory idea for you.
With the omega stages, shouldn’t 48 of those be banned, since 48 normal ones were banned? Nothing to do about it now but just was curious
He should recalculate to account for spirits.
WE WILL GET THE SAKURIPLEX!
there's more:
challenges in every game that had them
trophies
spirits
smash moves
regular moves
skins
andddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
how many possible maps can be made in builder mode in ultimate
Being a nerd is awesome
I think sakuplex sounds better
And miis, stager builder.
NO SAKURIAPLEX NO PEACE
We should name the number a Sakurillian
iiFart hell yeah
Of course someone beat me to it XD
Sakuraicillion sounds better.
Sakuraicillion
It will have to be a plex of some sort
I hope he makes a part 2 of this video because now that all the dlc characters are out we could finish the marh
MAT WHERE IS THE PETSCOP THEORY YOU SAID YOU’D DO IT NEXT WEEK LAST MONTH
That's what i tought when it came out XD
Well, the Petscop video was already happening last time.
69th like lol
It's ok... some of us were waiting for Markiplier to continue playing Rain World...
So this is how doctor strange calculated the amount of possible outcomes to facing thanos, huh.
"Do, or don't, there is no try."
-Yoda.
Who my good sir(or mam) are a comedy genius
I guess...
*it was the only way*
@@shaggy2606 it's sir fyi
RIP. The Avengers...they never had a chance
Damn, SO CLOSE! Kazuya's devil form was the 666 reference. You'll get em next time Theorists!
I need Matpat to crunch the numbers for Smash Ultimate after all the DLC characters and stages.
"Sakurai, I'm gonna name a number after you... I swear."
The matApat decimal
Kkjkukjukjj,umyyyy6*ookkii
Hgtr
end quote
mat-pat 2018
what about changing googolplex (1 times 10 to the 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000th power) sakurillion?
You forgot all the pokemon and assist trophy combos. That will add at least 100 more things in the items.
The pokeball/assist trophy are still only one item by themselves each.
He also forgot alternate skins / costumes
Maybe he will add in the different variations of the characters in the next video too. Like Green Kirby, Blue Kirby.
Pokeballs can spawn any pokemon on any given toss so all the pokemon are one item. Counting the different pokemon would be like counting the different places a bobomb could spawn or what a party ball could contain. @Cuttlefish Man smash ultimate has no custome moves.
You forgot that a lot of stages can't be used for 8-Player Smash in SSB4.
The fact that Hero is in Ultimate and Goku and Hero were drawn by the same person goes perfectly with the intro.
The intro be like
*Goku is going to be in smash then a official Nintendo character that has been an iconic internet choice and that’s just a theory*
God: what do you want to do before you die?
Me: I wanna do everything in Smash Ultimate
God: okay
*PUF*
Me: nothing happened
God: You're immortal
• Acümethar • well look like we’re in this together because I can’t die
In smash
Haha... I like that one!
Imagine if they lost their controller...
wow these theories are getting out of hand
Do another Jacksfilms intro! 😁
Hey, it’s the domino guy!
Your comments are getting out of hand. I see them everywhere. There is no escape
out of... master hand?
@@saberknight2474 Come on I wanted to say that...😞
You should make an updated version of this one
Matpat: "Sakurai's eyes are red just for us."
me: *gets ad for eye whitener*
Uh matpat, introspective stated that the purple and yellow chair resembles the lakers, who join the lakers? Lebron James, having Kobe Bryant as an echo fighter.😤✊
Shaq from shaqfu confirmed
Nobody wanted to believe the truth.
Tatl and tael, its skull kid
Charles Barkley from Shut Up and Jam Gaiden confirmed?
Bongo Cat no
But wait...
The word “Theory” is 6 letters
Nani
... Oh no
Matpat is also 6 letters
MATPAT IS GOKU *CONFIRMED*
...that's literally what they said xD
At this point that number is going to be so damn huge. Good luck, Matpat!
Could you please do an updated version of this theory adding in all the variables e.g. Times
*Sakurai slaps Smash Bros*
This thing can fit so many combinations
Pro players: cool lets take three of those combos.
Pro gamers: yeah... but I like this one (Melee)
roof or smash bros ultimate
and permutations
Dont forget about custom stages, alternate costumes, and customs moves along with the near infinite mii fighter character creations. Oh and amiibos
Just kill mee
F*** I was going to say that
well. different costumes dont do anything to gameplay. I think he was going though things that effect gameplay
ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL HIM WITH MATH!? XD
;-;
I ran through the calculations for Smash 64 including CPUs and the total number of players and the number came out to 3,467,719,579,832,320,000, or around 3.5 quintillion
13 new characters(Pyra and Mythra are separate), around 9 stages without hazards, 11 new stages, custom moves for miis, mixing game modes, more stages to morph and omega and battlefield, small and big battlefield, spirits, something tells me with all these factored in and more, this might be bigger than the marioplex
This explains why smash never gets boring to me...
SO THAT WHY I KEEP GETTING DESTROYED EVERY 1 MATCHES
wrong video bud
Well, if you include different skins for each character, than I’m pretty sure that the number would be unknown.
we have dishiliard
64 zeros
^ this, adds at lest 8 color variants per-character in the 3ds version (which is just a different Wii-U version with less max players count, 4 instead of 8). if they add even just that skin number it will add x8 to the character count list... which is small but oh nelly lets not get into the "gear" possiblities u could get into when it came to "Customizing" fighters... cause each charater had 3 versions for each abilitly button & could wear 4 peices of gear that manipilated their base stats &/or added sub-perks... or u can just play with that setting turned off for all generic characters, but not fully for the 3 Mii characters (gear can be but not ability options as their fully custom made) which btw are in the new Smash, I mean he counted them as a character for the 75 but I'm draging on.
it just gets even more silly... srry for the slight rant
I was going to say that...
No chance Matpat will just the number a matpatillion
Watching this when there is dlc characters and more items with customizable characters and different character styles for each character and 4 different modes I think the number could be much higher
Well, since you asked, Link is my favourite character to play as and I usually play against Sonic.
Nintendo: EVERYBODY IS HERE!
fans: *Waluigi*
Wah
Geno
Nintendo: *no*
@@SamOfTheShadows
Me to Nintendo: so you have chosen DEATH
@@jirent23 Nintendo: *no*
”Purple chair”
THANOS CHAIR
*THANOS CHAIR*
The yellow chair is a minion chair: thanos + minions = balance
Can it snap
Don't Watch My Videos Thanos confirmed for smash
what are u talking about?
thanos Luigi?
Here's a more accurate number for smash ultimate, please note that this calculation does not include different Mii Fighter movesets & customisation options or DLC. And it goes based on the character roster given in the video (which does seemingly include Mii Fighters as part of the roster, but I did not include waluigi): 1.594268941×10^47
This video would have been great post release. The numbers were already so unimaginable. It would have been cool to see what that final number was with sora, banjo, and joker in the mix.
now that im thinking about it, the line "EVERYONE IS HERE" is pretty ironic bc first, it just always gonna try to stop adding more fighters but when it actually is about to stop, another fighter always got added in, and the second is obviously waluigi not getting in
When matpat tries to find something bigger than the Minecraftplex
Matpat you didn't calculate music selection options..
There are a couple different things he didn't factor in, but he mentions that in the video
@SuperSohan480 because it would be too much
Too memee
BRASIL
@SuperSohan480 also because he didn't think about it until it was to late
After seeing that number, I don't know if I should or shouldn't mention the different pokemon from the pokeballs or the different characters from the assist trophy aren't included in the items number
Shy guy and all the colors as well as drybones and all the koopas as its styles in smash would be cool
You sure do love your big numbers!
On top of the player count changes, you could have also added in pallet swaps and team matches (which cause some unique pallet swaps of their own). Extra fun math I'm certain!
Also the music options
U had 69 liked I made it into 70 muhahahahahahah
Right after matpat said “his eyes are red...for us.” I got an ad for visine.
Add Harambe to Smash.
Idk what that is but am i wrong if i think that it is like eye drops?
I got an ad with a person sleeping with a sleep mask
Visine. Eye drops yes. And this ad freaked me out too...
The ad I got at that moment was for the oculus go.
I looooveeee how MatPat is so excited about math and numbers XD
I mean he is smarter than most people watching this
As of today, 12/18/2020, there are now 83 characters (counting Sephiroth) with 8 alternate costumes/colors (so, counting them, it's 664 possible charcters), 112 stages with Omega and Battlefield forms (meaning 336 different stages. Adding the stage morph option, it means (336*335)+336=112896 different stages (The parenthesis are the stage morph possibilities, and the "+336" adds the non stage morph possibilities)). Stages have 3 settings for the battle (Stock, Time, Coin). There's 87 items (according to the Smash Wiki), and they have 4 spawn rates (Off, Low, Average, High. I do this because it makes the most sense for me, as I don't understand where the (2^(number of items))*3 comes from)
664^8=37 787 193 273 718 832 889 856
That's for an 8-player match. I'm assuming the least amount of characters in a Versus Match is 2, and I'm going to not count CPUs as different from a human player, because technically, a human controlled Mario against a human controlled Steve is going to be the same match-up as a human controlled Mario against a CPU controlled Steve. That means we're going to add 664^2 to 664^7 to our 664^8.
664^7=56 908 423 604 998 242 304 (Adding our 664^8, the result is 37 844 101 697 323 831 132 160)
664^6=85 705 457 236 443 136 (37 844 187 402 781 067 575 296)
664^5=129 074 483 789 824 (37 844 187 531 855 551 365 120)
664^4=194 389 282 816 (37 844 187 532 049 940 647 939)
664^3=292 754 944 (37 844 187 532 050 233 402 883)
664^2=440 896 (37 844 187 532 050 233 843 779)
The number of character match-ups is 37 844 187 532 050 233 843 779.
As I've said above, there's 112896 different stages.
Using my method for the items, there's 348 different items spawn rates combinations.
And there's still 3 settings for battles.
So, the number of possible match-ups, counting everything above is :
37 844 187 532 050 233 843 779*112896*348*3
=>4 272 457 395 618 343 200 027 273 984*1044
=>4 460 445 521 025 550 300 828 474 039 296
Basically 4,5*10^30, or 4,5 nonillions... Still not the Sakuraiplex though, as we're missing some characters from the Fighter's Pass Volume 2 (though I don't think it'll change the number that much)
Don't worry I know how to read these numbers because adventure capitalist has taught me alot
LoL
The highest one I know is nonillion
same bro
lol
What dat🤔🤨😐😶
It’s basically a simulator
I would like to play as MatPat
I would to
Here at 68 likes
Awe
His end game winning pose would be him saying:
But hey,
That’s just a theory,
A GAME theory,
and Cut.
His power would be bad undertale and Mario theories
MatPat: "Every character you want is there!"
Me: *"My boi Goomba isn't here STILL." ☹️*
If Waluigi makes it he'll bring Gooba as an Assist Trophy
0:58
Love how Egg man proves he's the fastest thing alive
“Everyone is here.”
A wah of silence for our fallen wah.
Edward Drawde rest in wah 😢💜
Wah, waaaah, wah, WAH, WAH, WAH! WAAAaaaahhhh… our fallen brother shall always be remembered
WAAAAAH
wah
Wha
10:43 wait...why is there an "A" in the middle of the number??
Your right. [Thinking Emoji]
Le gaspè
Maybe supposed to be a ‘4’?
The problem with it being a four is than he missed a comma and matpat probably would not let this mistake go by
It probably is for a arg
There actually is no coin option in ultimate, there is only Stock, Time and Stamina. Even though he didn't mention Stamina mode he'll still get the same answer because it would fill in the 3rd slot.
I think matpat should revist this After all the DLC is Done sense we still got stages and a few charaters left to Go!
If waluigi picks up the super crown we won’t turn into anything......
He’s to perfect
To true
he would get 10 coins
Poke Universe really you stole it from the peachette video
Poke Universe no waluigi will ascend to be the ultimate WAHife form. He will have the combined power of all WAAAAAAAAAA in the universe. He will become the ultimate banned character: -waluigette- WAHpeach!
Too
The first 6 minutes taught me more about permutations then the 3 months I learned/worked with them at school
Same
Facts
I learnt a bunch from this too, better explained than my maths book
And my dad told me I would not learn anything from watching TH-cam or games
@@blades1080 nice
Now multiply by 8 for all the different designs of characters
20:15 imagine if he came back to this when the final dlc is released
Um... what about the different colors of characters, part 2?
oh yeah....
I thought I was the only one who thought of that
Gabriel Wilson holy...
I was going to reply it doesn’t make a different...... But then I remember the video about team Color’s.
Yeah. My Pink Donkey Kong needs to be represented.
actually, its really kind of sad that waluigi keeps getting denied super smash Bros
No it's very funny
Join the cult of wah!
Trip Taylor no wario took two spots and that's why waluigi isn't in the game
@@pizzabunger76 that was Mario.
Its because Nintendo is a non Waluigi company
The reason competitive smash uses so few items is because no one should be able to win a match because an item happened to spawn on there side. And many stages are banned because the blast zones are to small like wario ware, they have walls which can make it possible to do infinites where your opponents can’t escape, or there so big that the best way to win is to run away for 7 min.
MatPat needs to come back to this considering the stages and new characters that have been added, as well as the spirits that were revealed after this video came out.
That's gotta be at least 7
I'd say it's about tree fiddy
I belwieve thot is abot moar thon too...
@@g_blockman4877 Did you just have a stroke whilst typing that? Because I cannot understand what you said at all.
@@JamesBond00797 r/whoosh
Three, take it or leave it
“Mr Sakurai! We have a code green!”
“Oh god what was it about?”
“How many permutations of smash bros ultimate there will be.”
“Hurry and get rid of all unannounced fighters!”
“Thats not the worst of it sir.”
“What was it; please don’t tell me he named a number after me?”
“Its worse sir he factored Waluigi in his calculations.”
“OH GOD THE HORROR!”
So funny!!😂😂😂
Filthy dub watcher
XXXtensioncord TV thx
waluigi
Do u mean Sakurai and Waluigi?
Hey MatPat, might wanna get back to this theory to name that number after Sakurai now, considering DLC and all that
Lol yeah 🤣
looking back at this, 2:29 there aren't 6 games, there are 5. 64, Melee, Brawl, Wii U and 3DS are the same thing, and Ultimate
I think Sakurai is teasing Thanos with the Purple and Gold chairs.
Maybe MattPat is secretely Sakurai.
No alola oe and boros ship
THANOS GAME
The end is near
Chipotle Janitor Okk.....
Next up: amount of islands possible with animal crossing new horizons
Mine has a heart shaped lake
Matpat:ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
there's more characters that have been added and different features i think it's time we give sakurai his number for all the work he's put into this beloved franchise
Matpat thinking to himself: you try and read every little thing in it you will just end up drive yourself crazy 13:07
Waluigi gets added
Crime Levels drop to 0%
Super gaming53 no its suicide rate
Public happiness rises 100%
@Adam Bartoszek And Switches for our fellow brokes
Super gaming53 sounds right
Fox mains suicide rate increases 100 percent
I personally think that if Waluigi is in the game, they shouldn't announce him. They should let people play the game and have him be the last person you unlock. People should just flip out (angrily or happily) when they see his silhouette.
Yeah I agree it would be a cool surprise but the problem is it would be all over the Internet probably even before the end of launch day
But, -thank god- he is an assist trophy
@@matshbocks I personally probably wouldn't play him that much but I still want him in because it would make lots of other people super happy and it would satisfy my ocd because it would complete the squad that is Mario, Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi.
@@loganfairs7395 ehh, I can see your point. My issue is with how much people are turning this into a real thing, even though there is literally only the Mario party and tenis games to pull from.
JackBot43 I agree, but they said that they will announce all the characters before release
I fee like this theory shouldve been made when all the DLC came out, because now there are 86 confirmed characters in the game, more modes, and more stages
I only noticed the subtitles that predicted that I would be headbanging to the intro after I started headbanging to the intro. Psychics man.
Smash comes out the day before my birthday...
*_This is such an epic gamer moment._*
Gg!
SO EPIC
Its you
Happy early birthday :D
Do you watch Harry Potter well the new fantastic beasts movie comes out before my b day
ok but in how many of those possible smash bros matches do the avengers beat thanos?
Only 1...
Only 6
One
All fox final destination no items
14,000,605
0:13 : every illuminati confirmed video be like:
I’d love to see this one come back now that the game has been out for awhile
“It may not be as high as super mario maker”
Custom made maps: hold my beer
E
I luv smm2
*[Laughs in Mii fighters]*
Hold my *fame.*
Me: *never played any smash game. Ever.*
Fills out survey anyways. Just because
Same 😂😂😂
Crash Kojote what are you doing with your life
Crash Kojote same bruh
Crash Kojote Same
Crash Kojote play its cool
Its kinda funny that skill share have more classes then all possible basic vs matches in competitive smash 4
This has made me go back to learning but better cause its game theory as the teacher 😀