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@@WitikoAmor Hey! Thank you so much for the kind words and support. Link is here: geni.us/O901v I plan to check out the Kaiser 4 when they release a L version of it (since I'm not tall enough to be XL 😞) If you do decide to pick up, please let me know your thoughts!!
Now this is what a review is supposed to be. Finally, a review that actually shows the reviewer sitting and using the chair and not just sitting beside it talking about the loud logos and how hard or soft the materials are. Thank you.
Next level would be actually sitting behind a desk and using a mouse and keyboard. It may sound trivial but once you've had a chair that doesn't work with standard desk heights (eg backrest being too deep, or limited range between the lowest seat height and highest armrest level), it becomes a crucial thing that's missing in most reviews.
I think the reason almost all reviews online for the secret lab chairs are positive is due to those receiving the chair are comparing it to cheap chairs, gaming chairs, etc. Those that have actually used an aeron or comparable chair are very far from secret lab's target market.
The Aeron is designed to keep you in an upright working position. The Secret labs is for range of movement. The Aeron has no head support which is a huge no for me.
@Ahnestly , a few months ago i was looking for a review just like this video. I was deciding between titan (NAPA Leather )or the HM Embody. I ended up finding a good deal on a 2019 slightly used embody that was cheaper than the NAPA Leather Titan. I dont regret my decision, but like you said. Every review out there was positive because they compared it to cheap $100 "gaming chairs" that is horrible for posture. I dont get to fully recline in my embody like i would with the titan, but thats what my recliner is for.
Thanks for review. My Herman Miller is still rocking after almost 20 years. When I see how "often" chairs at 500 USD go bad and luck ugly after 5-7 years, I'd say I saved money. We will see how Secret Lab will hold during daily usage thru decades. I don't trust their quality level for such a long time. The design is matter of taste, and SL doesn't hit mine.
The Secretlab Titan destroyed my back over the course of the last 2 years. If I was living in USA, getting a Steelcase Leap v2 or a Herman Miller Embody used was the obvious thing to do with 400€ to blow, but sadly in EU it's too hard to find those used, and even harder at a decent price. Stay away from gaming chairs, and get an Autonomous Ergo instead of those, which I'm sure is way better even without having sat in one myself.
Best chair review I've seen. I knew it was going to be a good comparison when I saw an aeron in the lineup. I had a lot of reservations about the other chairs after watching other reviews but I'm glad you proved me right. I think I'll stick with my aeron.
I have now had a Secret Lab Titan XL with the soft weave fabric for over 1yr now, I had really high hopes for it as I sit at my home desk for work for 8+hrs now and then occasionally gaming at night for a couple of hours. I still get aching on my butt due to the stiffness of the foam after sitting for a solid 3-4hrs, I thought after 1yr it would soften a little but nope, not 1 bit so I guess that's good for quality reasons. My office gets pretty warm in the summer months and this chair and I become an oven! I have use my cheap Costco mesh chair during these days. At work I had been using an Aeron for about 15yrs now and I have loved it, yes I still get tired from sitting long hours but not nearly as bad as with this Titan XL. I am unfortunately going to be shopping for an Aeron to replace this Titan XL, I really tried to love it but it just has too many negatives for my scenario. Great job with the review btw.
Ah I see, that was my thought exactly - thought the padding would soften over time! That's good to know!! I think if you're a leg curler, it takes the pressure off your bottom more, but may not be the best for back care. My softweave has handled like a champ, but it is fall weather, so will see if it holds up well in the summer time as well
Yup after 4 hours i would get pain in my tailbone & even wake up sore I ended up getting an extra cushion “everlasting comfort” from amazon that specifically solves that problem and actually have gone more than 8 hours without 0 pain now. For the heat i have a remote controlled fan pointing directly at me so it solves that problem 😂 its hard to give these chairs a bad review because although my butt hurts after 4 hrs without the extra cushion, the firmness has been exactly the same since i bought it which is 3 years now
I have both. 5'6" with back problems, can sit in an aeron for 12 hours. More than 30 minutes in the omega and my back is wrecked for the day. Secret labs gave me a smaller lumbar pillow but I bought a bigger one and still have issues. I'm going to pick up a second Aeron and sell the omega.
You're welcome! Hope you can use my link if you decide to purchase! Regardless, hope it helps. Also, don't go with the older SL chairs. get a titan evo 2022. Trust me.
I have that same secretlab chair. The material and looks sold it for me. After using it for a few years I finally realize that I need something more supportive. Tired of being uncomfortable and constantly shifting around while gaming.
Nice review there, loads of info. Just tried the Titan model yesterday (again, lol), I wish that the Titan can be lowered a tad more. If I adjust the seat flat, my feet rest ok on the floor, but once it is angled back, even just a bit, for a more relax sitting posture, the front of the seat rises and I find my feet dangling. That, is holding me back from pulling the trigger on a $579 chai (yup, local currency) and having the chance of not being able to enjoy all the features. The Omega is too much a squeeze in width and lack the convenient lumbar support as well, so I am definitely targeting the Titan. I am 5"6, 163lbs btw.
Yeah I hear ya about height thing haha #shortpeople. You can always buy a footrest off of Amazon to help with that! I have one that I use since my desk is a little higher up
Hey I don't think you would be reading my comments, but REAL thanks for your other video about how to get a Aeron chair for cheap. Originally I wanted to buy a gaming chair, then figured it is stupid, and get my eyes on an Aeron but couldn't afford a new one. Just grabbed a second hand Aeron Classic which looks quite new (without forward tilt) costing around $410 in where I live. Glad I didn't fall for GAMING/ RACING/ RGB/ WHATEVER.
Finally someone who tells the truth about racing chairs ... which without lumbar cushion give a terrible posture for the back, which unfortunately I got injured thanks to these chairs. Now im watching for a hermann miller.
@@Mowglibaloo2 yes because all the gaming chair hasnt a good lumbar support and the bundle cushion is useless and uncomfortable, think is better a cheap office chair with a good lumbar support like Herman verus or Lino Sayl
@@Street_Fighter_ I started to use a cut pool noodle for lumbar support and foot rest. Hope to heal over the next month. It has been 4 months of pain already with omega. It does have some benefits though (arm rests, tilt function and overall build quality). I would prefer ultimate posture though. Another downside with omega is the seat is slanted on the back
@@Mowglibaloo2 I have started going to the gym again and I feel much better when I do squats than when I am at the pc. but I use the pc with a dxracer in my free time and now I use it less. if you have to use it for work it's a big problem. you too consider training a little, maybe free body, strengthening the lumbar muscles, the abdominals, taking some walks, it is very useful. I have been at the PC a lot due to a surgical operation
Hey Dan, thank you so much for the excellent chair reviews. You helped me land on an Aeron from a really great used chair store in Chantilly. This thing was manufactured in 2000 and still functions perfectly. It's crazy how high quality they are. I can't believe I've spent 15 years of my life sitting in garbage staples chairs...wearing each one out in a few years, throwing it out, and buying another. You should consider maybe doing something with that store since they have a nice assortment of high end chairs you could review. My wife liked the Aeron, but she likes to put her feet on the chair and it's not so great for that as you know. So, we got her a Haworth Zody instead. Would love to see your take on all the other options!
Ah I would LOVE to be back in VA and collaborate with local stores!! I would love to review other chairs, but the manufacturers themselves take one look at my sub count and they're like "Nope, sorry", so thinking maybe I'd have better luck with local manufacturers.
Loved the comment about shoes in the house, as a fellow (South) Asian person. Re: Casters, I put rollerblade style casters on my Aeron. Look up Lifelong wheels on Amazon, don't wanna post the link, but dude... SO GOOD. They add a little height (which is fine for me, I'm over 6' but it may be problematic for others), but they roll SUPER smoothly on my hardwood floors or rug. Just a really great upgrade. Between them and the Atlas headrest, my Aeron is basically complete. You should look into reviewing them, since you're the Aeron Guy.
This video could not have come at a better time! I've been using cheap, generic gaming chairs for years, and I'm absolutely sick of the squeaks, thin and unsupportive foam, cheap materials, hard armrests, and the back discomfort that comes with using one of these chairs. I've always liked gaming chairs for a few reasons. One of which is just the aesthetic; I'm a huge '90s car enthusiast, so anything that has that aesthetic appeals to me. Secondly is the shape; I love the high backrests and neck pillows, and I like that the fabric is breathable while the foam keeps you warm. The final reason, though, is for my racing simulator setup. I don't really have the money or space to get a full cockpit setup, so I have a setup that allows me to lock an office chair into my wheel stand. Racing chairs are great for this, as they emulate the feel of being in an actual racing seat. Anyway, enough rambling :D. I've been interested in getting a Secretlab Omega for a while now, but I've never really been particularly comfortable with spending that much money on a chair (I still don't have a job due to Covid :/) but there have never been any reviews from someone who can identify a genuinely comfortable and supportive chair. This review, however, has convinced me to put the money I have saved towards getting one with high hopes that it'll help my posture and my sore, stiff back. I know the Omega isn't anywhere near as supportive as the Aeron, but I don't have the money for an Aeron (I also really don't like that style of chair, as I have sat in some before). Thanks for this review and sorry for my rant!
@@Ahnestly Just a little update. After looking around for a while and doing dozens of hours of research I have decided to go for the Noblechairs Hero ST fabric edition! My reason for going with this chair is because they offer a -5cm piston which is perfect for my short height of 5'6", and it has built-in lumbar support in the backrest. I'll be getting it soon!
Thanks for all the insight on these chairs! I'm looking to set up my work from home office and doing a lot of heavy research into what chair I want. I work in the video game industry, have a lower spine injury, and am short. I'm looking for a chair that (along with physical therapy) will help my back in the long term while I work long days at the computer, then do digital art after work at my desk, and then on top of that play video games at my desk as well XD So all your advice and opinions are incredibly helpful to someone like me looking for very specific features and needs in a desk chair :D Honestly the Aeron Remastered price tag is overwhelming but saving up for it and seeing it as an investment to not being in pain for 8 hours every day of my life seems like a worth-while goal to save up for! Especially with all of the customizability and the size A option to fit my height and weight better. All in all your videos have provided a TON of insight into getting the perfect ergonomic setup and I really appreciate your help and great quality content! Here's a like and subscribe ;D
Hey I'm sorry to hear about the spine injury but SO cool that you work in the game industry. I recommend you try one out at a store or get one from a place with a solid return policy as you might be able to find a chair you like at half the price (Haworth, Steelcase)! Thank you for the like and sub and best of luck in your hunt and future endeavors!
I recently heard about the Secret Lab Omega from a client. She looked so comfortable during our telehealth session. I like the tall back and many of the features. I'm one of those ergonomic rebels that sits cross-legged, so I'm happy to see this chair works for this sitting position. I also use my laptop of all places... on my lap. This makes arm rests rather annoying as they get in the way or raise my arms up in a way that isn't comfortable for me. So, are the arm rests removable? If not, do they position in such a way where they are out of the way? Maybe the tilt position?
This was the review I was really looking for... Thanks! I was going to buy an Aeron because I wanted some serious chair but I like to sit with crossed legs and I need a headrest... I was also tempted by buying SL Omega but I also read that gaming chairs are overpriced and have a bad quality/price ratio... Unfortunately I sit for 8+ hours because of smartworking, watching tv and so on...
Thanks for the review! A little note: if you’re doing noise comparisons it would be helpful if you stopped the music until the noise comparison is over.
Omega gave me really bad sciatica (used for two years working from home). Had to get a seat cushion and use a pool noodle cut to size for lumbar support. The pillows that came with the Omega were useless. If you do use the Omega, ensure your feet fall flat on the floor. Do not let them hang. If i had to purchase again, definitely go aeron.
Great video. Thanks. I'm also 5'6" but I weigh 300 lbs. I had gotten to where there were 3 chairs on my short list: the Aeron which I worked in for years, the Kaiser 2, and the Titan XL. I was blown away to find your video reviewing all three in one place. I was leaning toward the Aeron because I liked working in one, but the one thing I hated about the Aerons was that it was hard to adjust the arm rests. I had to get in an awkward position to reach the screws to loosen them, and once I moved them I'd find shen I got settled back down that I didn't move them enough or moved them too much. This is where the Kaiser and the Titan shines with both having 4D adjustability that you can move on the fly with the press of a button. The thing where the Aeron shined the most was where it pivoted when reclining and the mesh fabric which had NO heat buildup. It's pivot point made it one of the few chairs that you can go from sitting straight up to fully reclined and keep your feet planted on the ground. Most chairs pivot from the center and it lifts your feet off the floor when you lean back. I worked in space planning for a Fortune 500 and had numerous cases where heavy people broke the front of the Aeron chairs off when they sat on the front edge, so that was also a concern for me. While both the Kaiser and the Titan are available with a cloth material, and both pivot close to the knee like the Aeron, I think I'll be going with the Titan XL because it is a wider chair and doesn't have the high bolsters of the Kaiser. Thanks for sharing.
I'm white and I take my shoes off when I'm inside. BUT my immediate family DOES NOT! Whenever I go home I am stunned to the core when I see my dad or my sister putting their shoes up on their leather couch! Last time when I was home, before I left my mom put my fleece sweater folded on top of the kitchen table so I wouldn't forget ALONG WITH MY SNEAKERS WHICH SHE PLACED ON TOP OF MY SWEATER. ON THE KITCHEN TABLE. I do have a pair of indoor shoes that I wear sometimes, it's nice occasionally. But I never wear them outside.
LOLLL I love this comment. I get into arguments with my white friends (since all of my Asian friends don’t wear shoes in the house) about why they would mess up their nice furniture! Not all my white friends do it though or have indoor shoes like you mentioned!
@@Ahnestly I laughed when you mentioned it, you seemed like you really didn’t want to be offensive 😂 it’s definitely a true stereotype. I will say my parents keep their house clean so I can forgive them to a certain extent lol. Indoor shoes are nice tho, sometimes you want the extra support if you’re walking around a lot inside.
I have the nappa leather omega. It is indeed very nice. The lumbar is the biggest problem with it. The included pillow is very very nice and very soft, but it's not supportive. It's a better head pillow than lumbar pillow. I wound up buying a mesh lumbar thing for cars that you can just buckle onto the chair so it doesn't fall and that works pretty well.
I'm over due for a new chair, and the Secret Labs is looking like the winner. If I was closer to my back injury I may have been more leaning towards an HM, but I need a range of motion in my command center. Plus I'm short on children to trade for and Aeron lol
You only get 1 back. You can technically have unlimited children though...hahaha jk jk I'm totally jk. I hope you enjoy your chair!!! The more time I spend in both chairs, the more I like both chairs and the more I wish a chair could do both!!!
i just watched a fair number of chair videos and i gotta say this guys chair videos are certainly the best chair videos available, simply put, if your looking for videos about chairs then my dude's got you covered. his new nickname shouid be Chairman Mao.
I just received a Secretlab Titan EVON Titan Leatherette in Black. The box was well padded, instructions were very clear, but what these reviews don’t mention is the formaldehyde like smell from the chair materials. I’m currently airing it out and hopefully the strong nauseating smell will disappear. Overall, the materials are sturdy, good framing, but the lumbar support looks lame. I’ll have to try it out for at least a week or two to determine if it justifies the $580 price tag. Good luck
I've had my SecretLab for 3 year approximately. I convinved myself that this is an excellent chair because of all the praise they get. But after 3 years of use, I must admit, my back and neck pain is horrible and it's not supportive at all. I finally decided that I need a new chair. I'm gonna go for a Logitech Herman Miller Embody.
Did you end up getting the Embody? My Secretlab chair started to become uncomfortable after 2 years of every day use so I bought a Steelcase Amia and holy shit the Amia hurt my back so bad that I could hardly stand up after just 45 minutes or so. I ended up returning the Amia and bought one of those purple cushions for my Titan instead, I'm still waiting for the cushion to arrive but I might still be in the market for a new chair if the cushion doesn't work out. How do you like the Embody?
@@ImRickyIWinErgonomic chairs are sth. you need to get used to. After years or decades of bad posture, it is not unlikely that actual good posture does hurt in the beginning. Was the same with me. I completely destroyed my back with cheap office chairs before I bought a Steelcase Please. In the beginning it was really uncomfortable to sit in, even more uncomfortable than a cheap office chair. But I got used to it over the course of several months and now my backpain is pretty much gone and my posture has straightened up a lot. Was definitely worth getting used to. I can now work for hours on end and the chair just feels like heaven to my back.
I’m a software developer working from home. I have that exact omega and I’ve been very happy with it for almost 2 years. Now with the pandemic and being working from home I’m seating for 8 or more hours on that chair every day and I’m starting to suffer from neck and upper back pain in the shoulders area. I’m pretty sure it is because of the chair so I ordered the HM Aeron to see if I get better with it or maybe splitting my working hours between the two.
The gaming chairs all turtle you a bit, whereas the Aeron will force you to keep your posture correct, otherwise you will feel sore from slouching. That being said, the Aeron will not "cup" your back and shoulders bc the back simply isn't high enough!
@@alexvswrld I’d pay triple the price without even thinking about it. About a week since I started using it my back pain started to get better. After a month the pain was totally gone and never came back. The chair feels amazing and super comfortable. Before buying it I was pretty sure I'll have to buy a support for my head but I found out that it was not need it at least for me. One other thing I bought was an under desk feet rest cushion and the combination of it with the chair is great. Hope it helps!
Really good review, I like the amount of detail you put into your reviews. Wearing shoes in the house is weird haha. I'd be interested in seeing your opinions on the Haworth Fern if you're able to get one, it's the chair I use personally and I love it. I had an Aeron for a few days but sold it as it caused me severe back pain in the lumbar area.
Oh interesting. I haven't tried the Haworth Fern. I've been calling seating companies, but I don't think they need/want my help haha. Seems like office chairs are flying off the shelves
thanks for the info. I actually ordered a secret lab titan last week. They're on backorder till the new year or something but im looking forward to it finally arriving
I just bought the Joker Omega, I’m super happy with it. I much prefer the shape of the base over the Titan, I like being held in the chair with that hugged in feeling.
Workpro 9000 series is worth a look. All mesh, ergonomic, has a high back headrest variant and is built like a tank. Costs the same as the SL chairs brand new.
on the Titan it also has its own built in lumbar support that you can adjust depending on your back. People have said that it is actually uncomfortable to use it but I'm gonna give it a go when i get mine in a few days and ill see first hand how it is.
@@Shouko91 its a very very great chair! Every chair I've owned has only lasted me a year before its broken down, wheels falling off and back support going out. This secret lab chair doesn't do any of that still and I've moved house with it so could have potentially damaged it slightly and yet it still feels like it did when i bought it.
@@Shouko91 no problem mate! i had to work everyday for 8 hours a shift at a crappy fast food joint for a few months to get mine lol, so worth it though as my main thing was back support and this defs delivers
I'll still never understand the 'racing bucket seat' trend. They aren't meant for comfort - they are meant for a car hard cornering into turns and keeping your body from flailing all over. I can't say 'gamers' would do this - even at a professional level (maybe at raging moments haha). They (these companies) basically hand you a budget chair, slap some 'gamerz' aesthetics on it, and give you a couple pillows to reverse the poor posture they create (THANK YOU for showing the c-curve issues). I do like that Secret Labs provide some nice material options and/or quality pillows - and not just store bought off the shelf types. That said, the nickel-and-diming that Herman Miller does really is bad haha.
Heyyy someone who knows that they're talking about! I will say that if you plan to watch shows or read long documents at your desk...there is nothing like the tilt back feature in these gaming chairs. I judged it too until I leaned back and I was like ok...this is pretty great. For office use though, Aeron hands down.
They're popular because they fit into the underrepresented $3-500 portion of the office chair market. Proper ergonomic office chairs are usually double that at the very least and that's outside most people's price range. I have an Aeron and I love it but everybody who knows I have one thinks I'm insane for buying it. Don't blame people for buying them. Blame the chair industry for not offering better options at lower prices.
Racing style gaming chairs are popular because they pay a lot of money on marketing and putting them into the hands of streamers and influencers. Gamers see racing style gaming chairs as a status symbol. When they see other streamers using them (Streamers who never had to pay for them) They believe gaming chairs are the best way to announce to the world "I've arrived, I'm a streamer." They will never replace a quality Office chair like an Aeron, Embody or Cosm. Secret Labs is probably the best of the bunch but still not a winner in my eyes.
I have one.. honestly it sucks cause I'm sure it's a great chair... If you fit the Intended demographic for it. I sampled a size C aeron and found it vastly more comfortable. I'm 6'7" 310 for reference
@@Caligiant yeh 6’7” is pretty massive haha I have both an Embody and a Gesture and prefer Embody for work and gesture for mixed use. I’m a shorty though at 172cm.
I work for a demolition company here in chicago and we had to demo some offices in downtown. We were able to keep a lot of the stuff that was getting thrown out. We kept about 50 chairs. We thought they were basic chairs...Come to find out they were all herman millers lmao. I personally took 2 home. Nice come up
I have a Herman Miller but that char is not made for gaming. I am researching gaming chairs for my husband at the moment. So you prefer Secret Lab over Anda? Thanks for this video.
Hey! So I STRONGLY prefer the secretlab titan evo 2022 gaming chair. I have a couple sizing guides in case you need to know what size to buy! If you decide to pick one up, please consider using my links as it helps this channel a LOT!! Thank you!!
@@Ahnestly Ah OK. I do not think we are in the same country so I am not sure if SecretLab is available here. Plus my husband just told me he doesn't want one until we can move to our next location. But I will come back here and use your link when that time comes. Thanks again!
Hi sorry to bother But do you recommend the Aeron for extreme studying and focus tasks ? Like 10 + hrs study daily I want something very very comfortable for very long sessions
I think the aeron is a solid choice for long sessions, but you need to know yourself. Do you move around in your chair to help you focus? Or do you just hone into your studies? If the former, you may want to go with something like HM embody, which is wider and softer all around vs rigid embody. The mesh of an Aeron will keep you cool, and if you get forward tilt, you can change up into that mode as well! If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links and let me know what you decide!!
In a tropical climate like Philippines, the bodily oil and sweat will degrade PU Leather, it's start to peel off before a year unless you're sitting in a room with AC.
Finally tested out the Aeron.. wish it could incline more and tbh it didn’t feel like it’s worth it’s price for brand new Probably due to all the hype and it’s price tag my expectations were high.. when I sat on it for around 40mins it’s was just ok.. didn’t feel much different from other cheaper mesh chairs that the Shop had
Mesh is a game changer, but HM mesh is great in that it doesn't loosen up for yearsssss and it's fairly comfortable on skin. Don't look at just the sitting experience - look at the whole package. 12 year warranty with EXCELLENT customer service, solid build quality, and excellent ergonomics is what makes it that price, but not worth it to everyone
It's a chair. I think many look at the price and think of this blissful experience when really it's about the ergonomics. I think you will be surprised how long you can sit on the thing with little to no butt fatigue (and it stays cool), as well as how long it will last you (forever). It's worth it if you plan on sitting on it for 40 hours a week. Never owned a Secretlab so can't speak to it.
Can you review the SecretLab Titan Evo 2022! I was pretty set on getting an ergonomic chair (the Steelcase Series 1) but SecretLab seemed to focus a lot more on ergonomics… they are both around the $400 price range too
@@adxm0382 really comfortable. Although I'm getting the size C now cuz I like to sit with my legs spread wider but for normal sitting size B is perfect
Beware: I got a titan and no matter what, the backrest is slightest tilted to one side. So my back is literally never straight. This is a fairly common issue, Google it to find others w same issue. Chair itself looks amazing and quality is very high. Arm rests can adjust a ton but they do not go very low at all. Their lowest setting is too high for a healthy posture for me, but i have quite long arms. I removed the armrests and it is much more comfy now. Overall i would give the chair a 9/10 if the backrest were aligned properly, but i can only give it a 4/10 with a literal misaligned back.
Great video! Very informative and well-spoken comparisons between the very three brands I'm researching to see what may fit best for my needs. Thank you!
6' -77kg The sales of Secret-Lab support service is so slow but very nice, I think it's because of the overwhelming sales, in 5 years they generated over 300 millions of sales. I've ordered the Titan Soft Weave, delivery is minimum 1 month. The big problem whit all chairs is that you can't try them before buying them and returns are a pain in the......! That's why wen you buy a Omega and should of bought a Titan or a Titan XL you are not satisfied. Thanks for your review.
Yeah that's the problem with basically any product these days...but some fault is on the consumer. We wanted to shave costs and add to convenience, so we opted to shop online more, forcing retailers to take an online shopping approach. But what's ****ed up is that we the consumer get punished for "trying" things and returning them. How are we supposed to know we like it if we've never tried it???
@@Ahnestly But in there case is investing more in the product than the distribution that would cost more for commissions to dealers. So there is no simple solutions.
Hey man, loved your vid on how to buy an Aeron. Quick question, if you could buy a chair for office work for under 400 what would you pick? For context, I'm a little over 6 feet tall, I'd like something with neck support, and I sit pretty much all day. Thanks for what you do man.
Thanks, Ethan! I haven't really explored that segment of the market tbh, because at that price range, I tell everyone just go find a used Aeron. You can find them EASY for $400-500 - it's just a matter of finding the right/best one for the price. If you need neck support, I also did 2 videos on headrests for Aeron. I reached out to a lot of manufacturers to review their chairs and they're just not interested in sending me chairs to review. Secret Lab and Anda Seat have been exceptions.
Loved the review! I’m just wondering what you would recommend for me - I’m having a lot of neck, shoulder and back pain from my current chair and I am working from home for 8 hours a day and then gaming for a couple hours in the evening. I can’t afford both so I’m looking for a chair that suits me working and gaming/relaxing and enjoying content. In this scenario which would you decide on? Thanks.
I would say if you're having neck and shoulder aches, the Omega might suit your needs better, but the back support isn't incredible, but is probably better than like 60-70% of chairs out there. That being said, I still recommend an Aeron for folks who are looking for a chair to primarily use it for office purposes
Great review. If you end up doing more chair comparisons, I’d be interested in the Steelcase Think v2. Can barely find any reviews on it, but it looks like it could be a *slightly* cheaper Steelcase option
In case it helps you, I was very close to purchase the Steelcase Think v2 and I really wanted to because I loved how it looks, it was reasonable price for a high-quality ergonomic chair and I found very very comfortable. However I end up buying the Steelcase leap V2 because, even thought was much uglier and expensive, i did find the back support was considerably better and I belive that's quite important. So I'm superhappy having purchase the leap, but I know I would have really like the Think too. I really suggest trying both like i did.
I got a Secretlab Omega I personally would give it 4 / 5 great chair for posture but wish the lumbar pillow was adjustable like you mentioned it always falls over. :P
I have the standard pu leather, not the fabric. So far so good, no tears anywhere. Only thing I can see is where the pu leather becomes a tiny bit deformed around where your butt sits and a bit on the backrest. But apart from that, its pretty good. Ive just bought another omega but in the softweave fabric version
Let me ask you this...how much have you spent on your mattress? If you did spend a good chunk of $$, did you do it because you'd probably be sleeping on it for 5+ years and because you spend a lot of time sleeping? If so, why wouldn't the same rationale make sense for a chair where you sit 4-8+ hours a day for work???
Does the mesh dig in to your legs with shorts on? Are these ergo chairs actually worth it? I've only used like the serta highback executive style chairs. Its used for many hours at a time all day and night. Its used for at home office work during the day and gaming at night. How does the titan compare to like these high back executive ones? Whats a good budget option? Typically I buy them during big sales like $150 max.
Mesh does not dig in. Ergo chairs are DEF worth it. Think about your mattress - people spend $1,000+ because they say it's a good investment for your back...why not do the same for your back during the day? If you get a HM new, it's a 12 year warranty, which is better than bed warranties!
I like the vid its very different and more proffesional in a way then most other people but im still not sold on the secretlab. If you could recommend some office/ergonomic chairs that are similar in price range to the Titan that would be great since all the research that I have done is really just a back and forth battle on which type of chair is better.
Great review. I'm thinking about upgrading from my cheap gaming chair to the secretlab omega. I'm also 5'6 with short legs HAHAHA and my concern with my current gaming chair is that I hate tippy toeing to game/sit at my desk even at the lowest height. I was wondering if i would have the same problem with the omega. Although you said your feet are barely flat on the floor with the omega at base height, I see that you're tippy toeing towards the second half of the review?
I'm tippy toeing bc I think I raised the chair a bit for the vertical test! My feet are flat on it though. I recommend regardless, picking up like a foot rest bar so your thighs/knees are slightly raised instead of parallel to the ground
my ANDA seat is hot.. it gets hot after an hour.. but its also robust and solid, it will last.. wheels are great.. its also big.. and like any other “gaming chair” its over rated.. i do believe that executive chairs are the way to go..
Yes and no. What didn’t you like about it? If it was the quality of the mesh (sagginess), then yes, HM can change your mind. If it’s the general feel and you got a little numb, then no, all mesh is kinda like that. HM just does it better than most. And also, if you buy a new aeron, you could always buy and try and then return it if you don’t like it! Super easy to do with HM and free! If you do decide to pick up, please consider using my links. Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly "What didn’t you like about it?" If I remember correctly, I didn't like how non-versatile it was when it came to comfortable setting positions. From what I have been seeing in videos about the Aeron, it's sort of an "ergonomic" chair that forces you to set in a proper upright, attentive position, but you set in that position in one of the most comfortable ways possible. So it seems that what I didn't like about the mesh chairs I sat in in the past is inherent with all mesh chairs. I also recently watched videos on the HM Embody, which seems to be the exactly polar opposite of the Aeron in that you can set in just about any position comfortably EXCEPT upright and attentive.
This review is really good. I was looking at SecretLab and was very weary of these racing seats design because support for hard cornering doesn't equate to long term office work. Coming from a old Steelcase, I ended up getting the Staples Hyken Mesh chair and really like the grosse ergonomic support from such an inexpensive product (at $160). Would love to hear your pov on this compared to the HM chair.
Just got a Hyken for my GF. I have an Aeron. From an ergonomics and comfort standpoint, honestly it is pretty close to the Aeron. However from a build quality perspective, the Aeron absolutely wipes the floor with it. As a 240lb dude that basically lives in his chair (work from home during the day/game in it at night) I think the build quality of the Aeron is worth the price of admission. But for your average user the Hyken is probably all you need. If the Hyken starts falling apart in a year or two, I will have to reevaluate the situation and probably upgrade her to an Aeron. But assuming the Hyken holds up, I see no good reason to waste money on an Aeron. Its definitely not as comfortable as the Aeron, but its close enough that the difference isn't really worth caring about imo.
Thanks for the comparison. If you're looking to do more chair reviews, I'd like to recommend the Herman Miller Embody (either the normal one or the Logitech one). It'd be really interesting to hear how you think it compares to the Secret Lab and the Aeron. I'm personally weighing up between the Embody, Aeron, and Titan/Titan XL and haven't decided yet.
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Now this is what a review is supposed to be. Finally, a review that actually shows the reviewer sitting and using the chair and not just sitting beside it talking about the loud logos and how hard or soft the materials are. Thank you.
You just Wana see some more eye level crotch shots ;p hahahaha jk thanks for the kind words!!
Next level would be actually sitting behind a desk and using a mouse and keyboard. It may sound trivial but once you've had a chair that doesn't work with standard desk heights (eg backrest being too deep, or limited range between the lowest seat height and highest armrest level), it becomes a crucial thing that's missing in most reviews.
I think the reason almost all reviews online for the secret lab chairs are positive is due to those receiving the chair are comparing it to cheap chairs, gaming chairs, etc. Those that have actually used an aeron or comparable chair are very far from secret lab's target market.
It's not a bad chair at all, especially if you consume a lot of media, but for back support/office work, can't compare to my Aeron!
I sit in an aeron every day at work and have one I snagged from work before they tossed it. Not impressed with them at all.
The Aeron is designed to keep you in an upright working position. The Secret labs is for range of movement. The Aeron has no head support which is a huge no for me.
@Ahnestly , a few months ago i was looking for a review just like this video. I was deciding between titan (NAPA Leather )or the HM Embody. I ended up finding a good deal on a 2019 slightly used embody that was cheaper than the NAPA Leather Titan. I dont regret my decision, but like you said. Every review out there was positive because they compared it to cheap $100 "gaming chairs" that is horrible for posture. I dont get to fully recline in my embody like i would with the titan, but thats what my recliner is for.
Also, secretlab has been removing negative reviews for a long time on basically any platform, but they are *the* brand when it comes to gaming chairs
"Don't know if you guys have shoes..."
Nah, I sold my shoes to raise money for my Aeron.
worth it
Thanks for review. My Herman Miller is still rocking after almost 20 years. When I see how "often" chairs at 500 USD go bad and luck ugly after 5-7 years, I'd say I saved money. We will see how Secret Lab will hold during daily usage thru decades. I don't trust their quality level for such a long time. The design is matter of taste, and SL doesn't hit mine.
I was wanting a new chair but couldn’t find any good review vids that went as in depth as yours.
Nice!!! I plan to do more as soon as I can get some of these fixed! Stay tuned!!
This was one of the highest quality reviews I've seen for chairs . I got the anda seat the other day just because they look so high quality tbh.
Hey appreciate your kind words across multiple videos!! Thank you!!!
The Secretlab Titan destroyed my back over the course of the last 2 years. If I was living in USA, getting a Steelcase Leap v2 or a Herman Miller Embody used was the obvious thing to do with 400€ to blow, but sadly in EU it's too hard to find those used, and even harder at a decent price. Stay away from gaming chairs, and get an Autonomous Ergo instead of those, which I'm sure is way better even without having sat in one myself.
Best chair review I've seen. I knew it was going to be a good comparison when I saw an aeron in the lineup. I had a lot of reservations about the other chairs after watching other reviews but I'm glad you proved me right. I think I'll stick with my aeron.
I love that you compared the price tags to a child and half a child hahaha
Lol finally someone who gets my humor!
@@Ahnestly I get it because I currently have my first child and i feel that lol
Shoulda gotten an Aeron instead ...hahaha jk. Best of luck...Lord knows we all need it...
how much does birth giving cost over there
Their material looks kinda like a sock. Seems way too expensive...those cushions on the seat look so thin also.
I have now had a Secret Lab Titan XL with the soft weave fabric for over 1yr now, I had really high hopes for it as I sit at my home desk for work for 8+hrs now and then occasionally gaming at night for a couple of hours. I still get aching on my butt due to the stiffness of the foam after sitting for a solid 3-4hrs, I thought after 1yr it would soften a little but nope, not 1 bit so I guess that's good for quality reasons. My office gets pretty warm in the summer months and this chair and I become an oven! I have use my cheap Costco mesh chair during these days.
At work I had been using an Aeron for about 15yrs now and I have loved it, yes I still get tired from sitting long hours but not nearly as bad as with this Titan XL.
I am unfortunately going to be shopping for an Aeron to replace this Titan XL, I really tried to love it but it just has too many negatives for my scenario.
Great job with the review btw.
Ah I see, that was my thought exactly - thought the padding would soften over time! That's good to know!! I think if you're a leg curler, it takes the pressure off your bottom more, but may not be the best for back care. My softweave has handled like a champ, but it is fall weather, so will see if it holds up well in the summer time as well
@@Ahnestly I will try the leg curling more, thanks for the tip.
Yup after 4 hours i would get pain in my tailbone & even wake up sore I ended up getting an extra cushion “everlasting comfort” from amazon that specifically solves that problem and actually have gone more than 8 hours without 0 pain now. For the heat i have a remote controlled fan pointing directly at me so it solves that problem 😂 its hard to give these chairs a bad review because although my butt hurts after 4 hrs without the extra cushion, the firmness has been exactly the same since i bought it which is 3 years now
I have both. 5'6" with back problems, can sit in an aeron for 12 hours. More than 30 minutes in the omega and my back is wrecked for the day. Secret labs gave me a smaller lumbar pillow but I bought a bigger one and still have issues. I'm going to pick up a second Aeron and sell the omega.
Yeah the omega is really really firm. I only use it for media consumption or gaming sessions which are always short since I'm a dad haha
C$ 1,534.25 way to much for a chair, there is not even a motor :)
Agree with this analysis
Can sit cross legged, flat wheel tops, cooling head cushion. I’m so glad I just bought this chair because that’s all I’ve ever wanted haha
Nice!
Thank you for explaining the different materials, one of the only videos that explains it well. Helped me make my decision
You're welcome! Hope you can use my link if you decide to purchase! Regardless, hope it helps. Also, don't go with the older SL chairs. get a titan evo 2022. Trust me.
I have that same secretlab chair. The material and looks sold it for me. After using it for a few years I finally realize that I need something more supportive. Tired of being uncomfortable and constantly shifting around while gaming.
Nice review there, loads of info. Just tried the Titan model yesterday (again, lol), I wish that the Titan can be lowered a tad more. If I adjust the seat flat, my feet rest ok on the floor, but once it is angled back, even just a bit, for a more relax sitting posture, the front of the seat rises and I find my feet dangling. That, is holding me back from pulling the trigger on a $579 chai (yup, local currency) and having the chance of not being able to enjoy all the features. The Omega is too much a squeeze in width and lack the convenient lumbar support as well, so I am definitely targeting the Titan. I am 5"6, 163lbs btw.
Yeah I hear ya about height thing haha #shortpeople. You can always buy a footrest off of Amazon to help with that! I have one that I use since my desk is a little higher up
Hey I don't think you would be reading my comments, but REAL thanks for your other video about how to get a Aeron chair for cheap.
Originally I wanted to buy a gaming chair, then figured it is stupid, and get my eyes on an Aeron but couldn't afford a new one.
Just grabbed a second hand Aeron Classic which looks quite new (without forward tilt) costing around $410 in where I live. Glad I didn't fall for GAMING/ RACING/ RGB/ WHATEVER.
CONGRATS!!!!
Finally someone who tells the truth about racing chairs ... which without lumbar cushion give a terrible posture for the back, which unfortunately I got injured thanks to these chairs. Now im watching for a hermann miller.
The Omega hurt my back after 1.5 years of continuous use
@@Mowglibaloo2 yes because all the gaming chair hasnt a good lumbar support and the bundle cushion is useless and uncomfortable, think is better a cheap office chair with a good lumbar support like Herman verus or Lino Sayl
@@Street_Fighter_ I started to use a cut pool noodle for lumbar support and foot rest. Hope to heal over the next month. It has been 4 months of pain already with omega. It does have some benefits though (arm rests, tilt function and overall build quality). I would prefer ultimate posture though. Another downside with omega is the seat is slanted on the back
@@Mowglibaloo2 I have started going to the gym again and I feel much better when I do squats than when I am at the pc. but I use the pc with a dxracer in my free time and now I use it less. if you have to use it for work it's a big problem. you too consider training a little, maybe free body, strengthening the lumbar muscles, the abdominals, taking some walks, it is very useful. I have been at the PC a lot due to a surgical operation
Hey Dan, thank you so much for the excellent chair reviews. You helped me land on an Aeron from a really great used chair store in Chantilly. This thing was manufactured in 2000 and still functions perfectly. It's crazy how high quality they are. I can't believe I've spent 15 years of my life sitting in garbage staples chairs...wearing each one out in a few years, throwing it out, and buying another.
You should consider maybe doing something with that store since they have a nice assortment of high end chairs you could review. My wife liked the Aeron, but she likes to put her feet on the chair and it's not so great for that as you know. So, we got her a Haworth Zody instead. Would love to see your take on all the other options!
Ah I would LOVE to be back in VA and collaborate with local stores!! I would love to review other chairs, but the manufacturers themselves take one look at my sub count and they're like "Nope, sorry", so thinking maybe I'd have better luck with local manufacturers.
Got a basically brand new Herman Miller Aeron Size C from a moving company off of CraigsList for $300. Best chair I’ve ever owned.
Nice!!!!!
Really liked the video comparing the two chairs thank you!
Lol your name....hahaha
High quality reviews. Keep em coming!
Thanks Josh!!
Loved the comment about shoes in the house, as a fellow (South) Asian person.
Re: Casters, I put rollerblade style casters on my Aeron. Look up Lifelong wheels on Amazon, don't wanna post the link, but dude... SO GOOD. They add a little height (which is fine for me, I'm over 6' but it may be problematic for others), but they roll SUPER smoothly on my hardwood floors or rug. Just a really great upgrade. Between them and the Atlas headrest, my Aeron is basically complete. You should look into reviewing them, since you're the Aeron Guy.
Lol hardly the Aeron guy, but has a nice ring! Appreciate it and awesome with the wheels. I'll look them up!
This video could not have come at a better time! I've been using cheap, generic gaming chairs for years, and I'm absolutely sick of the squeaks, thin and unsupportive foam, cheap materials, hard armrests, and the back discomfort that comes with using one of these chairs.
I've always liked gaming chairs for a few reasons. One of which is just the aesthetic; I'm a huge '90s car enthusiast, so anything that has that aesthetic appeals to me. Secondly is the shape; I love the high backrests and neck pillows, and I like that the fabric is breathable while the foam keeps you warm. The final reason, though, is for my racing simulator setup. I don't really have the money or space to get a full cockpit setup, so I have a setup that allows me to lock an office chair into my wheel stand. Racing chairs are great for this, as they emulate the feel of being in an actual racing seat.
Anyway, enough rambling :D. I've been interested in getting a Secretlab Omega for a while now, but I've never really been particularly comfortable with spending that much money on a chair (I still don't have a job due to Covid :/) but there have never been any reviews from someone who can identify a genuinely comfortable and supportive chair. This review, however, has convinced me to put the money I have saved towards getting one with high hopes that it'll help my posture and my sore, stiff back. I know the Omega isn't anywhere near as supportive as the Aeron, but I don't have the money for an Aeron (I also really don't like that style of chair, as I have sat in some before). Thanks for this review and sorry for my rant!
Not at all! Thanks for sharing your wisdom!!!
@@Ahnestly Just a little update. After looking around for a while and doing dozens of hours of research I have decided to go for the Noblechairs Hero ST fabric edition! My reason for going with this chair is because they offer a -5cm piston which is perfect for my short height of 5'6", and it has built-in lumbar support in the backrest. I'll be getting it soon!
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Thanks for all the insight on these chairs! I'm looking to set up my work from home office and doing a lot of heavy research into what chair I want. I work in the video game industry, have a lower spine injury, and am short. I'm looking for a chair that (along with physical therapy) will help my back in the long term while I work long days at the computer, then do digital art after work at my desk, and then on top of that play video games at my desk as well XD So all your advice and opinions are incredibly helpful to someone like me looking for very specific features and needs in a desk chair :D Honestly the Aeron Remastered price tag is overwhelming but saving up for it and seeing it as an investment to not being in pain for 8 hours every day of my life seems like a worth-while goal to save up for! Especially with all of the customizability and the size A option to fit my height and weight better.
All in all your videos have provided a TON of insight into getting the perfect ergonomic setup and I really appreciate your help and great quality content! Here's a like and subscribe ;D
Hey I'm sorry to hear about the spine injury but SO cool that you work in the game industry. I recommend you try one out at a store or get one from a place with a solid return policy as you might be able to find a chair you like at half the price (Haworth, Steelcase)! Thank you for the like and sub and best of luck in your hunt and future endeavors!
This was super helpful, I use an Aeron at work and it kills my back...not sure if its meant for people over 6 feet tall
Possibly the wrong size? I’m 6’2 and have used an aeron for years without issue.
@@Enochulator I actually ended up buying a Titan, absolutely love it. Seems like it's even helped a hip issue I had.
I recently heard about the Secret Lab Omega from a client. She looked so comfortable during our telehealth session. I like the tall back and many of the features. I'm one of those ergonomic rebels that sits cross-legged, so I'm happy to see this chair works for this sitting position. I also use my laptop of all places... on my lap. This makes arm rests rather annoying as they get in the way or raise my arms up in a way that isn't comfortable for me. So, are the arm rests removable? If not, do they position in such a way where they are out of the way? Maybe the tilt position?
This was the review I was really looking for... Thanks! I was going to buy an Aeron because I wanted some serious chair but I like to sit with crossed legs and I need a headrest... I was also tempted by buying SL Omega but I also read that gaming chairs are overpriced and have a bad quality/price ratio... Unfortunately I sit for 8+ hours because of smartworking, watching tv and so on...
Check out the review that's going to drop tonight! Meanwhile, check out my review of the Embody!
Thanks for the review! A little note: if you’re doing noise comparisons it would be helpful if you stopped the music until the noise comparison is over.
Omega gave me really bad sciatica (used for two years working from home). Had to get a seat cushion and use a pool noodle cut to size for lumbar support. The pillows that came with the Omega were useless. If you do use the Omega, ensure your feet fall flat on the floor. Do not let them hang.
If i had to purchase again, definitely go aeron.
Great video. Thanks. I'm also 5'6" but I weigh 300 lbs. I had gotten to where there were 3 chairs on my short list: the Aeron which I worked in for years, the Kaiser 2, and the Titan XL. I was blown away to find your video reviewing all three in one place. I was leaning toward the Aeron because I liked working in one, but the one thing I hated about the Aerons was that it was hard to adjust the arm rests. I had to get in an awkward position to reach the screws to loosen them, and once I moved them I'd find shen I got settled back down that I didn't move them enough or moved them too much. This is where the Kaiser and the Titan shines with both having 4D adjustability that you can move on the fly with the press of a button. The thing where the Aeron shined the most was where it pivoted when reclining and the mesh fabric which had NO heat buildup. It's pivot point made it one of the few chairs that you can go from sitting straight up to fully reclined and keep your feet planted on the ground. Most chairs pivot from the center and it lifts your feet off the floor when you lean back. I worked in space planning for a Fortune 500 and had numerous cases where heavy people broke the front of the Aeron chairs off when they sat on the front edge, so that was also a concern for me. While both the Kaiser and the Titan are available with a cloth material, and both pivot close to the knee like the Aeron, I think I'll be going with the Titan XL because it is a wider chair and doesn't have the high bolsters of the Kaiser. Thanks for sharing.
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Great review, your conclusion was very clear and helpful!
Thank you! Appreciate the kind words!!
I'm white and I take my shoes off when I'm inside. BUT my immediate family DOES NOT! Whenever I go home I am stunned to the core when I see my dad or my sister putting their shoes up on their leather couch! Last time when I was home, before I left my mom put my fleece sweater folded on top of the kitchen table so I wouldn't forget ALONG WITH MY SNEAKERS WHICH SHE PLACED ON TOP OF MY SWEATER. ON THE KITCHEN TABLE.
I do have a pair of indoor shoes that I wear sometimes, it's nice occasionally. But I never wear them outside.
LOLLL I love this comment. I get into arguments with my white friends (since all of my Asian friends don’t wear shoes in the house) about why they would mess up their nice furniture! Not all my white friends do it though or have indoor shoes like you mentioned!
@@Ahnestly I laughed when you mentioned it, you seemed like you really didn’t want to be offensive 😂 it’s definitely a true stereotype. I will say my parents keep their house clean so I can forgive them to a certain extent lol. Indoor shoes are nice tho, sometimes you want the extra support if you’re walking around a lot inside.
"People who wear shoes in the house - like white people!"
Not offended, just amused.
Americans*
I was born in America. I’m an American.
@@Ahnestly so start wearing shoes in the house already. There are stereotypes to comply!)
@@erki09 White American here. Definitely do not wear shoes in the house.
Definitely one of the weirdest generalizations I've heard.
I have the nappa leather omega. It is indeed very nice. The lumbar is the biggest problem with it. The included pillow is very very nice and very soft, but it's not supportive. It's a better head pillow than lumbar pillow. I wound up buying a mesh lumbar thing for cars that you can just buckle onto the chair so it doesn't fall and that works pretty well.
I'm over due for a new chair, and the Secret Labs is looking like the winner. If I was closer to my back injury I may have been more leaning towards an HM, but I need a range of motion in my command center. Plus I'm short on children to trade for and Aeron lol
You only get 1 back. You can technically have unlimited children though...hahaha jk jk I'm totally jk. I hope you enjoy your chair!!! The more time I spend in both chairs, the more I like both chairs and the more I wish a chair could do both!!!
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Intro music is so trippy on headphones
Especially with headphones
I just received a Secretlab Titan EVON Titan Leatherette in Black.
The box was well padded, instructions were very clear, but what these reviews don’t mention is the formaldehyde like smell from the chair materials. I’m currently airing it out and hopefully the strong nauseating smell will disappear. Overall, the materials are sturdy, good framing, but the lumbar support looks lame. I’ll have to try it out for at least a week or two to determine if it justifies the $580 price tag. Good luck
I've had my SecretLab for 3 year approximately. I convinved myself that this is an excellent chair because of all the praise they get. But after 3 years of use, I must admit, my back and neck pain is horrible and it's not supportive at all. I finally decided that I need a new chair. I'm gonna go for a Logitech Herman Miller Embody.
Did you end up getting the Embody? My Secretlab chair started to become uncomfortable after 2 years of every day use so I bought a Steelcase Amia and holy shit the Amia hurt my back so bad that I could hardly stand up after just 45 minutes or so. I ended up returning the Amia and bought one of those purple cushions for my Titan instead, I'm still waiting for the cushion to arrive but I might still be in the market for a new chair if the cushion doesn't work out. How do you like the Embody?
@@ImRickyIWin I've had the Embody for like a month... my back pain is completely gone :)
@@ImRickyIWinErgonomic chairs are sth. you need to get used to. After years or decades of bad posture, it is not unlikely that actual good posture does hurt in the beginning. Was the same with me. I completely destroyed my back with cheap office chairs before I bought a Steelcase Please. In the beginning it was really uncomfortable to sit in, even more uncomfortable than a cheap office chair. But I got used to it over the course of several months and now my backpain is pretty much gone and my posture has straightened up a lot. Was definitely worth getting used to. I can now work for hours on end and the chair just feels like heaven to my back.
Good choice. I have it already and you will not regret to have it
What a great and thorough review. Been looking for something like this. Subscribed!
Heyyyy I appreciate that!! Thanks for the kind words!!!
I’m a software developer working from home. I have that exact omega and I’ve been very happy with it for almost 2 years. Now with the pandemic and being working from home I’m seating for 8 or more hours on that chair every day and I’m starting to suffer from neck and upper back pain in the shoulders area. I’m pretty sure it is because of the chair so I ordered the HM Aeron to see if I get better with it or maybe splitting my working hours between the two.
The gaming chairs all turtle you a bit, whereas the Aeron will force you to keep your posture correct, otherwise you will feel sore from slouching. That being said, the Aeron will not "cup" your back and shoulders bc the back simply isn't high enough!
@@Ahnestly Thanks for replying to me. I can't wait to get my HM delivered.
How did the Aeron work out for you? I recently found a local office supply store that refurbishes HM chairs so I’m definitely gonna give them a try.
@@alexvswrld I’d pay triple the price without even thinking about it. About a week since I started using it my back pain started to get better. After a month the pain was totally gone and never came back. The chair feels amazing and super comfortable. Before buying it I was pretty sure I'll have to buy a support for my head but I found out that it was not need it at least for me. One other thing I bought was an under desk feet rest cushion and the combination of it with the chair is great. Hope it helps!
@@AbrahamLaria would you say it cured your back pain. The Omega caused sciatica
for the lumbar support ,a couple velcro stickers could help :)
It does for sure, but not sure if I want to damage the fabric that way....
Just the video I was looking for
Nice!
Really good review, I like the amount of detail you put into your reviews. Wearing shoes in the house is weird haha. I'd be interested in seeing your opinions on the Haworth Fern if you're able to get one, it's the chair I use personally and I love it. I had an Aeron for a few days but sold it as it caused me severe back pain in the lumbar area.
Oh interesting. I haven't tried the Haworth Fern. I've been calling seating companies, but I don't think they need/want my help haha. Seems like office chairs are flying off the shelves
great comparison in general for gaming chairs vs ergonomic office chairs
Thank you for the kind words!!
i got a Secret LAbs Titan and...i'm not that crazy about it. My dad actually got one for his home office and he LOVES it
Lol it's weird...my friend's dad also have a gaming chair and he LOVES it. The lumbar isn't that good on the Titan either?
thanks for the info. I actually ordered a secret lab titan last week. They're on backorder till the new year or something but im looking forward to it finally arriving
Exactly the same man! TH-cam channel coming soon.
Could you guys share your Secretlab Referral Code please?
@@Tuonick15 my chair actually just showed up yesterday. I don't recall getting any kind of referral code.
@@Fa11out I just read that you will receive an email approximately 2 weeks after delivery. So, thanks anyway :)
Chair for my girl is arriving tomorrow :D
I just bought the Joker Omega, I’m super happy with it. I much prefer the shape of the base over the Titan, I like being held in the chair with that hugged in feeling.
I wan thinking of getting the same thing, how is your chair now? did you notice some tearing off over the years?
@@crisjoshuacalucin1709 My chair is still perfect, still looks new, so happy with this chair.
I guess I'm weird lol, I like the thick leathers. I don't get hot as easily as some .
This was an awesome review! Best I've seen so far. Still on the fence about which to buy though 😂
Thanks man! Appreciate the kind words! Let me know which you decide and what you think!
Workpro 9000 series is worth a look. All mesh, ergonomic, has a high back headrest variant and is built like a tank. Costs the same as the SL chairs brand new.
Hm interesting! I've got another chair from SL and looks similar, but the workpro has some really interesting features...
on the Titan it also has its own built in lumbar support that you can adjust depending on your back. People have said that it is actually uncomfortable to use it but I'm gonna give it a go when i get mine in a few days and ill see first hand how it is.
So, any updates?
@@Shouko91 its a very very great chair! Every chair I've owned has only lasted me a year before its broken down, wheels falling off and back support going out. This secret lab chair doesn't do any of that still and I've moved house with it so could have potentially damaged it slightly and yet it still feels like it did when i bought it.
@@cortex7024 awesome. Thank you for your reply. I'm planning on getting one once I get my tax money :p
@@Shouko91 no problem mate! i had to work everyday for 8 hours a shift at a crappy fast food joint for a few months to get mine lol, so worth it though as my main thing was back support and this defs delivers
I'll still never understand the 'racing bucket seat' trend. They aren't meant for comfort - they are meant for a car hard cornering into turns and keeping your body from flailing all over. I can't say 'gamers' would do this - even at a professional level (maybe at raging moments haha). They (these companies) basically hand you a budget chair, slap some 'gamerz' aesthetics on it, and give you a couple pillows to reverse the poor posture they create (THANK YOU for showing the c-curve issues). I do like that Secret Labs provide some nice material options and/or quality pillows - and not just store bought off the shelf types.
That said, the nickel-and-diming that Herman Miller does really is bad haha.
Heyyy someone who knows that they're talking about! I will say that if you plan to watch shows or read long documents at your desk...there is nothing like the tilt back feature in these gaming chairs. I judged it too until I leaned back and I was like ok...this is pretty great. For office use though, Aeron hands down.
They're popular because they fit into the underrepresented $3-500 portion of the office chair market. Proper ergonomic office chairs are usually double that at the very least and that's outside most people's price range. I have an Aeron and I love it but everybody who knows I have one thinks I'm insane for buying it. Don't blame people for buying them. Blame the chair industry for not offering better options at lower prices.
Or blame them for not watching my guide on how to get a used one for cheap! :D
Racing style gaming chairs are popular because they pay a lot of money on marketing and putting them into the hands of streamers and influencers. Gamers see racing style gaming chairs as a status symbol. When they see other streamers using them (Streamers who never had to pay for them) They believe gaming chairs are the best way to announce to the world "I've arrived, I'm a streamer." They will never replace a quality Office chair like an Aeron, Embody or Cosm. Secret Labs is probably the best of the bunch but still not a winner in my eyes.
Yeah but the Herman Millers do come with excellent customer support and 12 year warranties.
I think you need to try a Steelcase Gesture. It blows them both out of the water as a daily driver for both work and play.
I reached out to Steelcase, but haven't heard back!
I have one.. honestly it sucks cause I'm sure it's a great chair... If you fit the Intended demographic for it. I sampled a size C aeron and found it vastly more comfortable. I'm 6'7" 310 for reference
@@Caligiant yeh 6’7” is pretty massive haha I have both an Embody and a Gesture and prefer Embody for work and gesture for mixed use. I’m a shorty though at 172cm.
The lumbar support on my Titan is great, is really worth the money over the Omega
I reached out to see if they'd send one over I can test!
I work for a demolition company here in chicago and we had to demo some offices in downtown. We were able to keep a lot of the stuff that was getting thrown out. We kept about 50 chairs. We thought they were basic chairs...Come to find out they were all herman millers lmao. I personally took 2 home. Nice come up
can you ship me one? xD
I have a Herman Miller but that char is not made for gaming. I am researching gaming chairs for my husband at the moment. So you prefer Secret Lab over Anda? Thanks for this video.
Hey! So I STRONGLY prefer the secretlab titan evo 2022 gaming chair. I have a couple sizing guides in case you need to know what size to buy! If you decide to pick one up, please consider using my links as it helps this channel a LOT!! Thank you!!
@@Ahnestly Ah OK. I do not think we are in the same country so I am not sure if SecretLab is available here. Plus my husband just told me he doesn't want one until we can move to our next location. But I will come back here and use your link when that time comes. Thanks again!
Hi sorry to bother
But do you recommend the Aeron for extreme studying and focus tasks ?
Like 10 + hrs study daily
I want something very very comfortable for very long sessions
I think the aeron is a solid choice for long sessions, but you need to know yourself. Do you move around in your chair to help you focus? Or do you just hone into your studies? If the former, you may want to go with something like HM embody, which is wider and softer all around vs rigid embody.
The mesh of an Aeron will keep you cool, and if you get forward tilt, you can change up into that mode as well!
If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links and let me know what you decide!!
Great review Ahnestly. Too many features on the Omega. I should have gotten the Omega Secret Lab.
Thanks for the kind words!!
In a tropical climate like Philippines, the bodily oil and sweat will degrade PU Leather, it's start to peel off before a year unless you're sitting in a room with AC.
Great comparison video! I'm 5' 10" and 195 lbs. Would you recommend a size B or C Aeron for home office gaming/streaming?
I think you'd be happy with a B or C. Recommend you checking out both sizes before pulling the trigger!
Finally tested out the Aeron.. wish it could incline more and tbh it didn’t feel like it’s worth it’s price for brand new
Probably due to all the hype and it’s price tag my expectations were high.. when I sat on it for around 40mins it’s was just ok.. didn’t feel much different from other cheaper mesh chairs that the Shop had
Mesh is a game changer, but HM mesh is great in that it doesn't loosen up for yearsssss and it's fairly comfortable on skin. Don't look at just the sitting experience - look at the whole package. 12 year warranty with EXCELLENT customer service, solid build quality, and excellent ergonomics is what makes it that price, but not worth it to everyone
It's a chair. I think many look at the price and think of this blissful experience when really it's about the ergonomics. I think you will be surprised how long you can sit on the thing with little to no butt fatigue (and it stays cool), as well as how long it will last you (forever). It's worth it if you plan on sitting on it for 40 hours a week.
Never owned a Secretlab so can't speak to it.
Can you review the SecretLab Titan Evo 2022! I was pretty set on getting an ergonomic chair (the Steelcase Series 1) but SecretLab seemed to focus a lot more on ergonomics… they are both around the $400 price range too
I'm working on getting one!
Fantastic quality man.. Loved the video :) Keep it going :)
Thank you!!
Looking for a new chair and almost went to Anda Seats Fnatic but after this?
Secret Lab will get my money.
BTW ordered Titan XL Charcoal Blue today. Thanks yet again for the review!
I will send the check for you if the chair is shit. XD
Lolol let me know what you think!
@@Ahnestly If I can get a hold of a good camera I can even send you a video about it. Otherwise I can write down.
Got the Titan XL, it is about to be returned. Got a used Aeron B. (I'm 6"2)
p.s thanks for the buying guide
How's the aeron for you?
@@adxm0382 really comfortable. Although I'm getting the size C now cuz I like to sit with my legs spread wider but for normal sitting size B is perfect
Awsome review bro! And very realistic too. My $15 chair broke, and I was just wondering between those 2 chairs, just the review i need. Subscribed!
Tyty!
Just picked up an Uplift Pursuit to replace my Serta Jennings and so far I’m really digging it. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it!
Hm Uplift huh? Maybe in the future. I'm trying to get my hands on an Embody to try out
How's it compare? I have a serta similar to what you had.
Beware: I got a titan and no matter what, the backrest is slightest tilted to one side. So my back is literally never straight. This is a fairly common issue, Google it to find others w same issue.
Chair itself looks amazing and quality is very high. Arm rests can adjust a ton but they do not go very low at all. Their lowest setting is too high for a healthy posture for me, but i have quite long arms. I removed the armrests and it is much more comfy now.
Overall i would give the chair a 9/10 if the backrest were aligned properly, but i can only give it a 4/10 with a literal misaligned back.
Oof! How does that manage to happen???
That would be a manufacturing defect which would be covered under warranty.
Great video! Very informative and well-spoken comparisons between the very three brands I'm researching to see what may fit best for my needs. Thank you!
I learned a lot thank you
You’re so welcome!!! Thanks for the kind words!!
6' -77kg
The sales of Secret-Lab support service is so slow but very nice, I think it's because of the overwhelming sales, in 5 years they generated
over 300 millions of sales. I've ordered the Titan Soft Weave, delivery is minimum 1 month. The big problem whit all chairs is that you can't
try them before buying them and returns are a pain in the......! That's why wen you buy a Omega and should of bought a Titan or a Titan
XL you are not satisfied. Thanks for your review.
Yeah that's the problem with basically any product these days...but some fault is on the consumer. We wanted to shave costs and add to convenience, so we opted to shop online more, forcing retailers to take an online shopping approach. But what's ****ed up is that we the consumer get punished for "trying" things and returning them. How are we supposed to know we like it if we've never tried it???
@@Ahnestly That's the number 1 problem in deed.
@@Ahnestly But in there case is investing more in the product than the distribution that would cost more for commissions to dealers. So there is no simple solutions.
@@Ahnestly And the Covid doesn't help stores either.
@@Ahnestly en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretlab
Just found you and LOVE your review so well done, Felt like a True Professional Review
Thank you, Steven!
Hey man, loved your vid on how to buy an Aeron. Quick question, if you could buy a chair for office work for under 400 what would you pick? For context, I'm a little over 6 feet tall, I'd like something with neck support, and I sit pretty much all day. Thanks for what you do man.
Thanks, Ethan! I haven't really explored that segment of the market tbh, because at that price range, I tell everyone just go find a used Aeron. You can find them EASY for $400-500 - it's just a matter of finding the right/best one for the price. If you need neck support, I also did 2 videos on headrests for Aeron. I reached out to a lot of manufacturers to review their chairs and they're just not interested in sending me chairs to review. Secret Lab and Anda Seat have been exceptions.
Loved the review! I’m just wondering what you would recommend for me - I’m having a lot of neck, shoulder and back pain from my current chair and I am working from home for 8 hours a day and then gaming for a couple hours in the evening. I can’t afford both so I’m looking for a chair that suits me working and gaming/relaxing and enjoying content. In this scenario which would you decide on? Thanks.
I would say if you're having neck and shoulder aches, the Omega might suit your needs better, but the back support isn't incredible, but is probably better than like 60-70% of chairs out there. That being said, I still recommend an Aeron for folks who are looking for a chair to primarily use it for office purposes
It's amazing how many hoops you have to jump through in order to make a *car seat* workable in the *office*
Lolololol absolutely roasted em
Great review ! Thanks for the video :)
Thanks for the kind words!!!
Great review. If you end up doing more chair comparisons, I’d be interested in the Steelcase Think v2. Can barely find any reviews on it, but it looks like it could be a *slightly* cheaper Steelcase option
I emailed them and got no response. I have to buy all these chairs to review but one chair is like my entire months budget lol. I'll do my best!
In case it helps you, I was very close to purchase the Steelcase Think v2 and I really wanted to because I loved how it looks, it was reasonable price for a high-quality ergonomic chair and I found very very comfortable. However I end up buying the Steelcase leap V2 because, even thought was much uglier and expensive, i did find the back support was considerably better and I belive that's quite important. So I'm superhappy having purchase the leap, but I know I would have really like the Think too. I really suggest trying both like i did.
Love the videos!! Can you compare the Titan with the Herman Miller Embody chair!?
I've reached out to secretlab about sending that over. Fingers crossed they send it soon!
If only the Aeron could recline for a nap mode. Overnight prod support kinda makes it necessary for me.
Dudeeeee. I'm still looking for the ideal nap mode/ergonomic chair. I might have found it! Review should be up in the next 2-3 weeks.
@@Ahnestly Alright loking at your channel!
I got a Secretlab Omega I personally would give it 4 / 5 great chair for posture but wish the lumbar pillow was adjustable like you mentioned it always falls over. :P
Nice!!!
15:25 I've had that chair for almost 2 years and just learnt it could do that🤦♂️
Does your chair still looks like new after 2 years ?
I have the standard pu leather, not the fabric. So far so good, no tears anywhere. Only thing I can see is where the pu leather becomes a tiny bit deformed around where your butt sits and a bit on the backrest. But apart from that, its pretty good. Ive just bought another omega but in the softweave fabric version
Love ergonomic office chairs
I lost my chair in a breakup.. I kept the pillow to use in my car. Haha love that pillow. Ordering the EVO this year in the Superman trim for sure.
Great review, so the consensus seems to be that Herman Miller is better for office work. But my question is whether it's worth twice the price?
Let me ask you this...how much have you spent on your mattress? If you did spend a good chunk of $$, did you do it because you'd probably be sleeping on it for 5+ years and because you spend a lot of time sleeping? If so, why wouldn't the same rationale make sense for a chair where you sit 4-8+ hours a day for work???
If sitting on your office chair makes you money, then its an investment and is worth every penny.
ive ordered my secret lab chair yesterday and I'm so fucking excited to get it in a few days!!!!
I just watched this review and was on the fence about buying this chair until about 14:27 when you sat the back up straight, yep, buying it.
6:40 thanks so much for this... it was my only concern and which will determine whether I need to get the Omega or Titan...
Be warned that if you're 5ft 6 like me, the titan may be too big
@@Ahnestly 5ft 9
I think you'll be alright
Does the mesh dig in to your legs with shorts on? Are these ergo chairs actually worth it? I've only used like the serta highback executive style chairs.
Its used for many hours at a time all day and night. Its used for at home office work during the day and gaming at night. How does the titan compare to like these high back executive ones? Whats a good budget option?
Typically I buy them during big sales like $150 max.
Mesh does not dig in. Ergo chairs are DEF worth it. Think about your mattress - people spend $1,000+ because they say it's a good investment for your back...why not do the same for your back during the day? If you get a HM new, it's a 12 year warranty, which is better than bed warranties!
I like the vid its very different and more proffesional in a way then most other people but im still not sold on the secretlab. If you could recommend some office/ergonomic chairs that are similar in price range to the Titan that would be great since all the research that I have done is really just a back and forth battle on which type of chair is better.
A used aeron will be the option I recommend. Check out my guide on how to buy one for cheap!
@@Ahnestly Just in case I cant get my hands on a used aeron what are some good chair reccomandations for gaming
Great review, very thorough, answered all my questions ! Kudos 4 u
Thank you for the kind words!!!
Great review. I'm thinking about upgrading from my cheap gaming chair to the secretlab omega. I'm also 5'6 with short legs HAHAHA and my concern with my current gaming chair is that I hate tippy toeing to game/sit at my desk even at the lowest height. I was wondering if i would have the same problem with the omega. Although you said your feet are barely flat on the floor with the omega at base height, I see that you're tippy toeing towards the second half of the review?
I'm tippy toeing bc I think I raised the chair a bit for the vertical test! My feet are flat on it though. I recommend regardless, picking up like a foot rest bar so your thighs/knees are slightly raised instead of parallel to the ground
@@Ahnestly definitely required with omega
my ANDA seat is hot.. it gets hot after an hour.. but its also robust and solid, it will
last.. wheels are great.. its also big.. and like any other “gaming chair” its over rated.. i do believe that executive chairs are the way to go..
If I haven't liked mesh chairs in the past, is there any possibility the HM will change my mind?
Yes and no. What didn’t you like about it? If it was the quality of the mesh (sagginess), then yes, HM can change your mind. If it’s the general feel and you got a little numb, then no, all mesh is kinda like that. HM just does it better than most. And also, if you buy a new aeron, you could always buy and try and then return it if you don’t like it! Super easy to do with HM and free! If you do decide to pick up, please consider using my links. Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly "What didn’t you like about it?"
If I remember correctly, I didn't like how non-versatile it was when it came to comfortable setting positions.
From what I have been seeing in videos about the Aeron, it's sort of an "ergonomic" chair that forces you to set in a proper upright, attentive position, but you set in that position in one of the most comfortable ways possible.
So it seems that what I didn't like about the mesh chairs I sat in in the past is inherent with all mesh chairs.
I also recently watched videos on the HM Embody, which seems to be the exactly polar opposite of the Aeron in that you can set in just about any position comfortably EXCEPT upright and attentive.
Good reviews brotha, Got a Secret Lab Omega Cookies and Cream just like yours coming mid January.
U made a big mistake. Get ready for pain
@@oldschoolgamer5113 No pain baby.
i m heading to buy secret lab titan but still dont know a lot about the 2020 chairs ! which one is the best of the best ?
This review is really good. I was looking at SecretLab and was very weary of these racing seats design because support for hard cornering doesn't equate to long term office work. Coming from a old Steelcase, I ended up getting the Staples Hyken Mesh chair and really like the grosse ergonomic support from such an inexpensive product (at $160). Would love to hear your pov on this compared to the HM chair.
Oh that sounds like a doable video! I'll put that in my backlog!
Just got a Hyken for my GF. I have an Aeron.
From an ergonomics and comfort standpoint, honestly it is pretty close to the Aeron. However from a build quality perspective, the Aeron absolutely wipes the floor with it. As a 240lb dude that basically lives in his chair (work from home during the day/game in it at night) I think the build quality of the Aeron is worth the price of admission. But for your average user the Hyken is probably all you need.
If the Hyken starts falling apart in a year or two, I will have to reevaluate the situation and probably upgrade her to an Aeron. But assuming the Hyken holds up, I see no good reason to waste money on an Aeron. Its definitely not as comfortable as the Aeron, but its close enough that the difference isn't really worth caring about imo.
I got my Aeron recently with all the add one for 65% off for around 560 dollars it’s been so amazing
Nice find!!!
65% off from Herman Miller?
@@Syndrometest no HM does not do this.
Conner how’d you get it so cheap?
Thanks for the comparison. If you're looking to do more chair reviews, I'd like to recommend the Herman Miller Embody (either the normal one or the Logitech one). It'd be really interesting to hear how you think it compares to the Secret Lab and the Aeron. I'm personally weighing up between the Embody, Aeron, and Titan/Titan XL and haven't decided yet.
Check out my latest video. I plan to do a review of the embody but covid is preventing it from coming until late January!
I got a Secret Lab Omega Fabric chair for $360 on Cyber Monday. Just waiting for it to get shipped in January LOL
Nice! And yeah they definitely seem to have long lead times!