An underrated comment, though I wish he rated them separately on a star scale, like commencement being good in warrior, but meh in pali. Still great though
@@lockedin6699 it doesnt matter if the card is great in one class and terrible in the other. That is not how trump gives star ratings. If he thinks the cars will be in a tier 1 deck it is 5 stars. The classes dont matter. An aggro card can be rated 5 stars, while being terrible in control. Does that mean he needs to rate the card for both of them circumstances? No, the only thing that matters is the cards impact on the meta
6:15 When Trump says about secret passage "This is the best card..." I was waiting for the "if" or "in". But he actually says "This is the best card." And I think he means that. And I think he is right. This might just be the best card in Hearthstone ever done.
Aggro Rogue Highlander Hunter Beast Druid ------------------------------- Not Tier 1, but pretty good: Also there will be a pretty strong Priest deck I believe, but don´t hope Demon Hunter will be strong in some iteration as well, we´ll see. Control Warrior (meh) And I actually believe Spell Damage Shaman has a decent chance.
HighLanderPony I would have to agree while trump gets the general power level in the right ballpark he doesn’t seem to know what’s actually possible or what is competitively viable
Well that's the point. Any deck can be "potentially" strong. It's the decks that can be reliably strong that make 4 and 5 tier. It's still just a prediction so we'll see. Trump didnt give control shaman any credit in my opinion.
@@jamesoneil9132 not really. When the commenter said "potentially strong" He meant the cards actually looked somewhat powerful and i have to agree. I think either spell damage shaman or totem shaman or galakrond will be alteast tier 2. I think trump is really bad at rating shaman because it is inherently a minion board control tempo class, while trump looks at cards more in the value lense.
Re-read what he wrote, he didnt say it had potential, he said it had the potential to be incredibly strong, I agree, alot of cards in a vaccum seem strong but your not always gonna have that perfect combo so its not reliable. Spell Damage Shaman is unreliable because it requires spell damage for alot of synergies. There are decks that dont need a perfect curve or hand in order win. Those are powerful decks.
@@jamesoneil9132 spell damage shaman doesnt require a perfect curve either. One of the games thijs drew 2 1/3 thst draw 3 cars and he couldnt draw any cards from them. The deck is overall solid you have insane curve potential, and spell damage is easy to come by now coupled with the 6 mana 12/12 And spellbinder for draw or the 1/3 the looks strong. No deck can possibly be consistent like you say, aggro burn deck inherently have huge variants but on average is what matters. Also with squall hunter thalnos vasj and the studies its super easy to get spell damage. It has nothing to do with a vacuum its how it lines up with other decks.
I mean at 3 mana it is a straight upgrade over Arcane Anomaly which was one of the better cards in tempo mage. Honestly, we need another spell like shooting star.
@@amethonys2798 or that I suppose. Is Azure Explorer actually not good anymore? I was always afraid that this adorable little fellow might not be good enough
@@deejayf69 it's ok in highlander mage and not even really for the spellpower but because it is a dragon (for dragoncaster) and gives a lot of value. The issue is it's stats are so awful no other deck is going to play it. Cosmic Anomoly being a 4/3 in tempo mage meant it usually got favorable trades if it wasn't removed by a spell. Could also technically be cheated out for 2 mana with the elemental discount thing.
@@amethonys2798 hm well I'm glad it can still see play as I love Dragons and spelldamage in mage and we really need more quality spell damage minions for that class since all their spells ( or a lot of them ) synergize with it
I think you are underrating the spell damage study card you can do that turn one and have a discount on the spell dmamge minion when you need to play it along side other cards and also with bloom and the 5/7 dragon with spelldmamge can come out turn 2
Mithun Nathan he’s underestimating all of the study cards, and then when he reviews his reviews on the study cards, he’s gonna regret seeing that he talked shit about the study cards, those cards are amazing
Yep... like long said, he's undervaluing all of them, putting them at 1 stars..... seeing people play them for the blizz streamer event they seem pretty flexible, and some of the discover pools are actually really good. The thing that makes it decent is keeping the discount through turns, and it stacks if possible. Playing a plan on turn 1 ramps out any of the studies.. i dunno. just seems fairly good if you have no other turn 1
Lightning Bloom seems so good in Overload Shaman, it might singlehandedly bring that deck back into the wild meta. Imagine turn 1 Tunnel Trogg into Lightning Bloom into Totem Golem. Can't wait for the highlight that shows turn 1 coin double Trogg into turn 2 Lightning Bloom x2, Ancestral Knowledge x2, Lightning Bolt x2 and Zap for 30 damage turn 2.
Pirate/Aggro warriors already have greenskin for krastinov, but we've talked about "critical mass" (usually for burn) before, if they can slot it in, it's two shots at the buff. And with how many weapons (and random hoard pillagers) you can get, a greenskin with rush sounds preeeeeetty good. Also, krastinov is going to make bulwark warrior even more stupid
I can't help but thinking that everyone is underestimating potion of illusions Sure other then combo decks it does feel like a "Win more" card however rogue does have the potential to fill the board easily with lackys. 4 mana refill your hand might be amazing, would also work well with jandice, togwaggle and let's not forget Kronxx. You can play all those cards together with the potion and even play the 1/1 again, jandice get 2 5 mana minions, play potion get at least 3 card refill, play Jandice again as a 1 mana 1/1
Dual class cards really should have separate ratings for each class, their potential is so vastly different depending on which class it's in, smushing the rating together is needlessly confusing.
Ever since the Shaman Nerf in December, I've been having a rough, rough time. I think I might skip this expansion. I'll come back when Shaman has a viable deck.
I've been rocking shaman for the past few months with this deck: AAECAYHaAx7/BbIGigetkQO0kQOKlAO5mQPFmQPGmQOloQP8owO7pQPPpQP5pQOEpwOQpwPhqAPwrQPosAORsQPbsgPmtwPztwPbuAPkuAOTuQOXuQOYuQPZvgOTwgMAAA== It's a highlander quest control shaman oriented around the generation of spells. Against fatigue control decks such as priest or mage, it wins pretty much all the time since the value generation in this deck is beyond the reach of any deck. Playing against high tempo decks requires a different game plan but ultimately you also have pretty good odds of winning. Here is the refined version of this deck for the new expansion: AAECAaoIHuGoA+DMA8aZA+HMA9+gA7SRA/vOA8WZA/yjA7IGnM4DmLkD27gD9c4DlrkDpaEDodED6LAD87cD5rcDk7kD27IDrZEDptEDitIDk8IDkKcDhKcDuZkDkbEDAAA=
I don't care what Trump says, Totem Shaman will be good. Imagine doing totemic reflection on Totem Goliath then hitting them with that Axe that summons copies of all totems. That's a lot of stats that summon even more totems on death, which can be buffed with 0 Mana spells or hit with Bloodlust. Add to that the actual value of all totems you can put in deck and you get something that's at least tier 3, at most high tier 2.
My friend, i'm a shaman player and i really know a thing, the spell shaman deck will be so broken that Blizzard will nerf it soon and then will be a weak deck. Remember this prediction!!
Primordial Studies is also your trigger in the spell damage deck. it makes your spell damage minions cost 1 less, aka Vashj, Bloodmage, or anything else you have. It’s not hard to have spell damage now.
I dunno. I live by the rule "don't put two bad cards in your deck just cause they're good together". Too much variance, especially in Shaman which don't have enough draw
Imo, if rogue took a stealth route that wasn’t aggro, it would probably be Stealth thief. The rogue galakrond nerf is absolutely huge (that’s the main deck I played) and the deck has kinda fizzled out into mid tier 2 from there. The stealth package is fairly good and the thief package can also give some pretty good cards so it seems like a good combo. I could be dead wrong, but I think the galakrond nerf is to detrimental for a stealth package, ESPECIALLY if your trying to go aggro
Athletic studies is actuelly prety good because of the rush minions avable on the current standart, i think will be a good value generator for control warrior without loosing much on the tempo side thanks to the 1 mana discount (wich by the way stacks too, what is nice).
Is secret package even any good? Sure one mana draw 5 is good hypothetically but secret passage seems so so so bad because it’s plot twist without any of the plot twist synergies
I don't think it's right to think "Rogue has Secret Passage now, so you don't need value generating cards." I think Secret Passage can help make a very aggressive burgle/value rogue, which can go on forever with Secret Passage filling your hand with cheap value-generation cards such as Wand Thief, Pharaoh Cat, Dirty Tricks, Dragon's Hoard, Clever Disguise. Then you get to keep all the cards you generate at the end of the turn. It'd probably be a bad deck, but point is if you Secret Passage into Wand Thief, that's usually really good as you're getting fuel beyond the Secret Passage turn.
I don't care what he says, I'm still gonna run trick totem and Imma find a way to fill the board with them in memory of pre-nerf Yog, praise be unto him
@@pham990 yeah I think there are some study cards that could be real sleepers. I was watching chump and he mentioned the possibility of just running a study card to ramp into a card you put in your deck, and you don't even care about the discover, you just want the mana discount
Does anyone know if the Wyrm Weaver's Mana Wyrms get buffed by the spell that triggers the spellburst? I'm assuming no, but these things are often counter-intuitive.
i feel like firebrand isnt as good as flamewaker. It's great but in tempo mage when you're casting 5+ spells a turn with evocation and mana cyclone flamewaker can just kill your opponent. I mean just look at quest mage in wild.
Yeah, it's nowhere close. Flamewanker is still king. Firebrand just knocks out your minions then leaves you be. Flamewanker beats up your guys, then punches you in the face repeatedly and bullies you out of your lunch money.
Trump should really watch other youtubers play with some of their decks. Just because he never made it work in his head doesn't mean some cards are bad.
Rattlegore is a midrange warrior card before it's a control warrior card. Control warrior would only run rattlegore for the control mirror which is dependent on the meta. Also, so far from what i've seen in streamer playtesting, reaper's scythe seems to have a problem of the spellburst being hard to manage. A lot of the time, your opponent's going to play around it if you play it too early. This means you can't play a spell unless you want to waste its effect. If they're playing around your cleave, that means they're playing slow anyway so I guess it's ok.
Have to disagree with Trump here. I play a lot of Totem Shaman and it's a solid T3 deck that only loses to tempo deck and is very strong against control. That 0/3 totem is valuable for its body alone, curve it right and you have 4 2/5 totems on turn 4 which cast 4 random spells each turn. Madness! The 4/5 totem is insane as well. If it lives, cast one reflection and that's 8/9 for 3. If it dies, cast bloodlust+totemic surge and that's 28 dmg for 2 cards/5 mana! But I do hope people sleep on totem shaman again so I can surprise them with it.
Holy crap that's some wishfulthinking if i ever saw one =D Stonecold 1 star my friend and totem shaman is worse than spelldamage shaman. Sorry too disappoint you but that is tough reality ^^
I think Goliath wasn't put into the game to be used directly but to be a potential summon by the clone summoning 5m rogue/mage legendary. Imagine the grief that could cause.
@@C3l3bi1 Nobody knows for sure that's obvious, but we all are making some predictions. This one is mine and difference may be i'm quite good with those in general. Could be wrong no doubt about it but nothing up to now indicates runic carvage and goliath will be at least in decent, not to mention "good" category. Literally nothing. Safe bet in my book. And as far totem shaman goes it has very polarized match-up and it's flood deck. Therefore quite easy to predict what range of decks in new exp. it has good match-up and bad one. In my opinion range of possible match-ups gets worse and doesn't get many improvements overall. Considering that and what we have seen from spelldamage shaman i'm assuming it's worse. Wait couple days and you will see i was right xd
I must be hearing things if trump is saying flamebrand is "way better than flamewaker". In what world? 2 reasons why Flamewaker is an infinitely better card: 1) Flamewaker hits face 2) Flamewaker triggers after EVERY spell cast, not just the first time, making its damage output and board clearing potential leagues better. Sure you have to cast more than 1 spell, but since when has generating spells been an issue for mage? Mana isn't an issue here either, since mage has access to Sorcerer's Apprentice, often making a turn 5 play a bunch of small spells and clear the board plus damage face. How 1 extra attack and 2 extra damage 1 time is better is beyond me.
Hitting face is a problem for random damage, random damage to face is ofte useless. For what you want ut to do in your deck, flamewaker would need to trigger twice and not hit face to be equal to Flamebrand. That is more mana and more cards. In theory flamewaker could do more next turn than Flamebrand, but that requires your opponent to not deal respons to the flamewaker at all, which means the game is likely won already
@@Sammathnar I guess you haven't played against quest mage in wild. Mana is not an issue when sorcerer's apprentice is on the field, and mage has Evocation, Mana Cyclone, Violet Spellwing, Ray of Frost, and Primordial Glyph, all of which generate new spells and keep your hand PLENTY full. You have more than enough ammunition for the fringe case where your flamewaker doesn't hit a minion.
Obviously there isn't enough of a sample size from both played games and opponent deck lists to be sure but Spell Shaman seems like it has a TON Of potential. The decks biggest problem will be draw. Though instructore fireheart helps with that some. It has Explosive damage. and even rather silly tempo potential (at the cost of next turns tempo).
agent00x with the combo disruption cards in this set and pretty aggressive leaning for most classes it won't be viable. Maybe with tons of refinement it will be a fringe deck but it auto loses to glide and that paladin(I think) card. I could be completely wrong but at least at face value it seems awful.
I think the problem with brain freeze is that dealing damage to frozen minions is REALLY bad because the point of freezing minions is so you don’t have to deal with them for one turn.
I shall enjoy whipping out the pure paladin with these new cards. Blessing of Authority is insanely strong. I genuinely expect it to be nerfed and if not then I look forward to just deleting an minion if they forgot to kill my 1/1 squire.
I wonder why they thought Secret Passage was a good idea, it's literally like Soularium for Warlock but you get 2 more options and you don't even lose the cards if you don't play them
I thought that the point of the keyword. To define one specific effect and be able to reuse it in the future with just one word. But you got the point, new player won't know what is inspire, recuit or evem echo is.
Totem Shaman right now wins or loses based on if it can get a bunch of totems to stick, and it's not like "that" terrible... but then they get 2 new cards that let them vomit totems on the board and cheat them out early with Lightning bloom. I'm honestly curious how some of these class cards that were previously unexciting in one class, but that bleed into another turn out. I can definitely see Rogues starting to play Sap again just because they can't handle a Lightning Bloomed Goliath.
I think that the Warrior/Rogue cards were over rated, cause if you say they are better to rogue I think that they are not good at all, the way I see them (specially Krastinov) is in bomb warrior, where you can buff so hard your weapon that have an extra effect and on the top of it refil your hand with Cuting Class and summoning a 4 drop with Steeldancer. If Weapon rogue become a thing we have some possibilities to use as weapon remove, those are all pretty consistant and reliable, so I guess that it's not only 2 Self-Sharpening Swords that are going to lead Rogue to this path, maybe this deck will be a tier 2 deck with many hard couters
Infiltrator Lillian dies then comes back. Randomly hits a 2/1 and dies again. 5 STARS! Devolving Missles that costs 1 (Can remove taunts, death rattle, unactivated Spellburst effects, and continuous abilities like Ras FrostWhisper) 2 Stars!
6:55 How did he combine with a straight face "4 mana 4/2", "aggro" and "Galakrond"? None of those fit together! The 4/2 could be in a Galakrond deck, but it's not a fit, just a fill. ... and how is a 4 mana 4/4 stealth "significantly slower" than a 4 mana 4/2 stealth? The 4/4 is faster! The later effect is faster, sure, but the minion itself isn't.
@@HasekuraIsuna Knowing Trump's playstyle, it's more of a "4 mana trade with an enemy minion" As for my original comment, I'm just saying that a 4/2 is slower than a 4/4. Ignoring any later effects. And later effect, due to being later, are inherently not very fast - card draw and deathrattles.
I don't understand why people rate Self sharpening sword high. if I'm playing a weapon rogue to hit face, I'm sure as hell not putting a 1 attack weapon to my deck. Even if it grows. It's too slow. You go Simitar and wagglepick all the way.
0:54 "You're playing a tempo warrior deck if you're playing risky skipper" Does Trump really not know that the current bomb control warrior deck also runs the skipper package?
I seriously disagree on the Doctor Krastinov rating. In what world is it worse than Captain Greenskin. It has 4 *fast damage* and it will *always* buff your weapon for +1/+1. But if your opponent leaves it on the board, it gives your weapon *additional* +1/+1 that Captain Greenskin doesn't. So even on the base assumption that it will die before your next turn, it's still as good as Captain Greenskin or even better because of the 4 fast damage. How blind is Trump to not see this *value*? EDIT Also in what world is a *Rush* minion that instantly gives your weapon stats slow?!
Firebrand is not even remotely close to being better than Flamewaker. Waker can proc multiple times and hit face, vs Brand being just once (albeit with 4 damage instead of 2, so i guess ya can say it goes 'twice') Flamewaker *still* ruins tavern brawls due to how good it is.
It really is satisfying to see the transitions through dual-class cards
Yeah they nailed it
An underrated comment, though I wish he rated them separately on a star scale, like commencement being good in warrior, but meh in pali. Still great though
@@BranHawk775 he doesnt rate neutral cards differently based on which class they would fit best in, so why would he rate these differently?
But why doesn't he rate the separately? Don't think the cards are exactly as good as in both classes. He failed there.
@@lockedin6699 it doesnt matter if the card is great in one class and terrible in the other. That is not how trump gives star ratings. If he thinks the cars will be in a tier 1 deck it is 5 stars. The classes dont matter. An aggro card can be rated 5 stars, while being terrible in control. Does that mean he needs to rate the card for both of them circumstances? No, the only thing that matters is the cards impact on the meta
He did not talk about the glorious reaper's scythe, Magtheridon synergies. Is he sick ?
That synergy is genuinely really strong for control warrior, should've been noted
Because it doesn't curve well and many people will run highlander control which makes it unlikely to draw
@@shakeweller as likely as drawing any other synergy in the deck.
@@Geroaergaroe which is why you don't rely on narrow synergies in a highlander deck
@@shakeweller Highlander warrior omegalul
3 Trump videos within 24 hours?
_Truly, he is the Mayor of Valuetown_
11:48 “the old spell damage cards all suck” Bloodmage Thalnos is crying in a corner
I really think you should have 2 ratings for dual class cards
6:15 When Trump says about secret passage "This is the best card..." I was waiting for the "if" or "in". But he actually says "This is the best card." And I think he means that. And I think he is right. This might just be the best card in Hearthstone ever done.
11:38
It's only recently they started pushing out a 2 mana 3/2 with spell damage
Cult Sorcerer: Am I a joke to you?
Everyone forgets about that guy.
@@Jebu911 So much that it isn't even a guy. It's a girl.
trump to every deck
I believe it's gonna be a tier 2 deck
only galakrond Rogue Tier 1, ever
NeverSayThat I think he rate the latest beast Druid tier 1 too
Are we completely forgetting that arcanite reaper plus cutting class is insane? Like draw 2 for 0 is actually busted in an agro deck
Can u do a list of all the tier 1 decks u think will exist
Aggro Rogue
Highlander Hunter
Beast Druid
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Not Tier 1, but pretty good:
Also there will be a pretty strong Priest deck I believe, but don´t hope
Demon Hunter will be strong in some iteration as well, we´ll see.
Control Warrior (meh)
And I actually believe Spell Damage Shaman has a decent chance.
Follow Zalae for that instead. He actually knows competitive HS.
@@HighLanderPonyYT ...
HighLanderPony I would have to agree while trump gets the general power level in the right ballpark he doesn’t seem to know what’s actually possible or what is competitively viable
@@Draco-jk3rb Weak deck? HIGHLANDER IT IS
Drastically underestimating spell damage Shaman, Thijs was playing it and it seemed like it had potential to be incredibly strong.
Same thing I though. I could even imagine spell damage shaman being one of the first decks to be nerfed.
Well that's the point. Any deck can be "potentially" strong. It's the decks that can be reliably strong that make 4 and 5 tier. It's still just a prediction so we'll see. Trump didnt give control shaman any credit in my opinion.
@@jamesoneil9132 not really. When the commenter said "potentially strong"
He meant the cards actually looked somewhat powerful and i have to agree.
I think either spell damage shaman or totem shaman or galakrond will be alteast tier 2.
I think trump is really bad at rating shaman because it is inherently a minion board control tempo class, while trump looks at cards more in the value lense.
Re-read what he wrote, he didnt say it had potential, he said it had the potential to be incredibly strong, I agree, alot of cards in a vaccum seem strong but your not always gonna have that perfect combo so its not reliable. Spell Damage Shaman is unreliable because it requires spell damage for alot of synergies. There are decks that dont need a perfect curve or hand in order win. Those are powerful decks.
@@jamesoneil9132 spell damage shaman doesnt require a perfect curve either.
One of the games thijs drew 2 1/3 thst draw 3 cars and he couldnt draw any cards from them.
The deck is overall solid you have insane curve potential, and spell damage is easy to come by now coupled with the 6 mana 12/12
And spellbinder for draw or the 1/3 the looks strong.
No deck can possibly be consistent like you say, aggro burn deck inherently have huge variants but on average is what matters.
Also with squall hunter thalnos vasj and the studies its super easy to get spell damage.
It has nothing to do with a vacuum its how it lines up with other decks.
"The only good spell damage minions are Solarian and Lab Partner."
Meanwhile Azure Explorer crying in a corner wishing to be 3 mana like her siblings.
I mean at 3 mana it is a straight upgrade over Arcane Anomaly which was one of the better cards in tempo mage. Honestly, we need another spell like shooting star.
@@amethonys2798 or that I suppose. Is Azure Explorer actually not good anymore?
I was always afraid that this adorable little fellow might not be good enough
@@deejayf69 it's ok in highlander mage and not even really for the spellpower but because it is a dragon (for dragoncaster) and gives a lot of value.
The issue is it's stats are so awful no other deck is going to play it. Cosmic Anomoly being a 4/3 in tempo mage meant it usually got favorable trades if it wasn't removed by a spell. Could also technically be cheated out for 2 mana with the elemental discount thing.
@@amethonys2798 hm well I'm glad it can still see play as I love Dragons and spelldamage in mage and we really need more quality spell damage minions for that class since all their spells ( or a lot of them ) synergize with it
I think you are underrating the spell damage study card you can do that turn one and have a discount on the spell dmamge minion when you need to play it along side other cards and also with bloom and the 5/7 dragon with spelldmamge can come out turn 2
Mithun Nathan he’s underestimating all of the study cards, and then when he reviews his reviews on the study cards, he’s gonna regret seeing that he talked shit about the study cards, those cards are amazing
Yep... like long said, he's undervaluing all of them, putting them at 1 stars..... seeing people play them for the blizz streamer event they seem pretty flexible, and some of the discover pools are actually really good. The thing that makes it decent is keeping the discount through turns, and it stacks if possible. Playing a plan on turn 1 ramps out any of the studies.. i dunno. just seems fairly good if you have no other turn 1
Lightning Bloom seems so good in Overload Shaman, it might singlehandedly bring that deck back into the wild meta. Imagine turn 1 Tunnel Trogg into Lightning Bloom into Totem Golem. Can't wait for the highlight that shows turn 1 coin double Trogg into turn 2 Lightning Bloom x2, Ancestral Knowledge x2, Lightning Bolt x2 and Zap for 30 damage turn 2.
am i back to playing control warrior? sounds good to me...
I wish too...but I am sceptical if we can make it to the high drops cards because aggro meta from demon hunters, hunters is so fast
@@SaruBiatch you may be right, im also looking into rogue and shaman as my backup plan for the initial meta
Skipper amorsmith bloodsworn too strong for aggro
Oh damn it's 0 Stars time!
Last time I was this early, equality was still 2 mana
Rip Pyro Equality on 4 :(
@@blinkingintensifies8212 tht was the last bit of control paladin reminiscent after which equality sees literally 0 plays as per stats
@@kingbling7571 i feel like equality at 3 would be ok
Seems the Mage had a rough start in magic school.
Pirate/Aggro warriors already have greenskin for krastinov, but we've talked about "critical mass" (usually for burn) before, if they can slot it in, it's two shots at the buff. And with how many weapons (and random hoard pillagers) you can get, a greenskin with rush sounds preeeeeetty good.
Also, krastinov is going to make bulwark warrior even more stupid
I can't help but thinking that everyone is underestimating potion of illusions
Sure other then combo decks it does feel like a "Win more" card however rogue does have the potential to fill the board easily with lackys.
4 mana refill your hand might be amazing, would also work well with jandice, togwaggle and let's not forget Kronxx.
You can play all those cards together with the potion and even play the 1/1 again, jandice get 2 5 mana minions, play potion get at least 3 card refill, play Jandice again as a 1 mana 1/1
IT'S A CHEAPER EQUALITY WITH A BLOODFEN RAPTOR
It's a cheaper sprint... tHat ToTuRs.
No beast synergy unlike the raptor, ONE STAR
No beast is good because now Hemet can’t kill it. Easy 5 stars.
Trump:Loser Shaman
Thijs:6-0 with Shaman
6 games are a very low sample size
What Thijs can succeed with and what everyone else can succeed with are not the same decks. Thijs can make almost any deck look at least decent
Yeah, but Thijs could autofill a deck with Classic and basic cards and make top 1000 legend in a couple of weeks lol
@@penoyer79 KEKW TRUE
@@adamn7777 i mean if you watched the vid it did look pretty good having a 5/6 and a 5/7 with spell dmg +2 on turn 3 seems insane
Loving the review. I wish you'd rate the dual class cards twice, once per class
I’ve figured it out. Your ratings aren’t ratings. They’re meta predictions.
Took you long enough :D
The stars are literally just predictions on "how many decks use this card" or "how much this card sees play"
I mean the rating's basically "should I craft/disenchant this card?"
im just here to see what 1 one star card end on tier 1 and every deck XD
Geovanni Cárdenas true
Dual class cards really should have separate ratings for each class, their potential is so vastly different depending on which class it's in, smushing the rating together is needlessly confusing.
Ever since the Shaman Nerf in December, I've been having a rough, rough time.
I think I might skip this expansion. I'll come back when Shaman has a viable deck.
See you in two years
Wait to see the meta, shaman might be able to make it, the stuff they got looks pretty powerful its just its difficult to find the right deck for it
I've been rocking shaman for the past few months with this deck:
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It's a highlander quest control shaman oriented around the generation of spells. Against fatigue control decks such as priest or mage, it wins pretty much all the time since the value generation in this deck is beyond the reach of any deck. Playing against high tempo decks requires a different game plan but ultimately you also have pretty good odds of winning.
Here is the refined version of this deck for the new expansion:
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I don't care what Trump says, Totem Shaman will be good. Imagine doing totemic reflection on Totem Goliath then hitting them with that Axe that summons copies of all totems. That's a lot of stats that summon even more totems on death, which can be buffed with 0 Mana spells or hit with Bloodlust. Add to that the actual value of all totems you can put in deck and you get something that's at least tier 3, at most high tier 2.
@@SawyerJames80085 you call a tier3 deck "good"?
Great presentation from my favorite Trump!
My friend, i'm a shaman player and i really know a thing, the spell shaman deck will be so broken that Blizzard will nerf it soon and then will be a weak deck. Remember this prediction!!
nope, shaman is still bad, tempo mage is getting nerfed tho
I like how secret passage not only got 5 stars but also lowered the star ratings of many other cards. Just show how insane this card is.
Best prediction: CRAM SESSION ONE STAR!
Weapon aggro secret passage rouge with the stealth seemed really good, panthra was playing and having great success
@@naturalkind5591 I think with quest it would be better
@@arex7559 stealth weapon aggro secret passage galakrond highlander secret deathrattle theif quest tempo value rouge
Its rogue not rouge
@@naturalkind5591 I present: Yes Rogue
Primordial Studies is also your trigger in the spell damage deck. it makes your spell damage minions cost 1 less, aka Vashj, Bloodmage, or anything else you have. It’s not hard to have spell damage now.
I feel like he severely underrated spell damage shaman.
same
I dunno. I live by the rule "don't put two bad cards in your deck just cause they're good together". Too much variance, especially in Shaman which don't have enough draw
Instructor Fireheart just might be the 2nd card I ever craft Golden, the artwork has such high potential
Way overrating Weapon Rogue and way underrating Aggro Shaman, you say?
The re-review for this is gonna be hilarious...
Furious George yeah, the re-review of this is gonna be embarrassing for him
not really, I guess, lol
Imo, if rogue took a stealth route that wasn’t aggro, it would probably be Stealth thief. The rogue galakrond nerf is absolutely huge (that’s the main deck I played) and the deck has kinda fizzled out into mid tier 2 from there. The stealth package is fairly good and the thief package can also give some pretty good cards so it seems like a good combo. I could be dead wrong, but I think the galakrond nerf is to detrimental for a stealth package, ESPECIALLY if your trying to go aggro
Athletic studies is actuelly prety good because of the rush minions avable on the current standart, i think will be a good value generator for control warrior without loosing much on the tempo side thanks to the 1 mana discount (wich by the way stacks too, what is nice).
How do u know
@@anuk1311 just my guess
Is secret package even any good? Sure one mana draw 5 is good hypothetically but secret passage seems so so so bad because it’s plot twist without any of the plot twist synergies
I don't think it's right to think "Rogue has Secret Passage now, so you don't need value generating cards."
I think Secret Passage can help make a very aggressive burgle/value rogue, which can go on forever with Secret Passage filling your hand with cheap value-generation cards such as Wand Thief, Pharaoh Cat, Dirty Tricks, Dragon's Hoard, Clever Disguise. Then you get to keep all the cards you generate at the end of the turn. It'd probably be a bad deck, but point is if you Secret Passage into Wand Thief, that's usually really good as you're getting fuel beyond the Secret Passage turn.
I don't care what he says, I'm still gonna run trick totem and Imma find a way to fill the board with them in memory of pre-nerf Yog, praise be unto him
sounds fun :P
trump: you can't underestimate 0 cost cards
also trump: underestimates cards that enable a 0 mana savage roar
Linkman95 Trump: you can’t underestimate 0 cost cards
Me: THE STUDY CARDS ARE LITERALLY 0 COST CARDS
@@pham990 yeah I think there are some study cards that could be real sleepers. I was watching chump and he mentioned the possibility of just running a study card to ramp into a card you put in your deck, and you don't even care about the discover, you just want the mana discount
Linkman95 yeah, and if you look at the mana standpoint, it’s 1 mana to discount 1 mana AND discover a card, IT’S LITERALLY A 0 MANA DISCOVER EFFECT
Does anyone know if the Wyrm Weaver's Mana Wyrms get buffed by the spell that triggers the spellburst? I'm assuming no, but these things are often counter-intuitive.
No they don’t. You could see that they don’t in the big reveal stream.
Nah, Spellburst procs after the spell has resolved.
Appreciated! But size of the cards is way too small. Cards are unreadable on a phone
I think youre sleeping on potion of illusion for Rogue. Seems like crazy tempo with prep vs control decks.
i feel like firebrand isnt as good as flamewaker. It's great but in tempo mage when you're casting 5+ spells a turn with evocation and mana cyclone flamewaker can just kill your opponent. I mean just look at quest mage in wild.
Yeah, it's nowhere close. Flamewanker is still king.
Firebrand just knocks out your minions then leaves you be. Flamewanker beats up your guys, then punches you in the face repeatedly and bullies you out of your lunch money.
Why has no one talked about pogos and potion of illusion in wild
*uploaded 18 seconds ago* THE MAD MAN
I hope you're right on Secret Passage cause if not it's going to sink a lot of your predictions based on card strength and the meta.
Trump should really watch other youtubers play with some of their decks. Just because he never made it work in his head doesn't mean some cards are bad.
Rattlegore is a midrange warrior card before it's a control warrior card. Control warrior would only run rattlegore for the control mirror which is dependent on the meta.
Also, so far from what i've seen in streamer playtesting, reaper's scythe seems to have a problem of the spellburst being hard to manage. A lot of the time, your opponent's going to play around it if you play it too early. This means you can't play a spell unless you want to waste its effect. If they're playing around your cleave, that means they're playing slow anyway so I guess it's ok.
Have to disagree with Trump here. I play a lot of Totem Shaman and it's a solid T3 deck that only loses to tempo deck and is very strong against control. That 0/3 totem is valuable for its body alone, curve it right and you have 4 2/5 totems on turn 4 which cast 4 random spells each turn. Madness!
The 4/5 totem is insane as well. If it lives, cast one reflection and that's 8/9 for 3. If it dies, cast bloodlust+totemic surge and that's 28 dmg for 2 cards/5 mana!
But I do hope people sleep on totem shaman again so I can surprise them with it.
this outro is really something, has like 8 different memes
I'm a believer. I think both totem goliath and runic carvings will be good and totem shaman will be tier 2
Holy crap that's some wishfulthinking if i ever saw one =D Stonecold 1 star my friend and totem shaman is worse than spelldamage shaman. Sorry too disappoint you but that is tough reality ^^
I think Goliath wasn't put into the game to be used directly but to be a potential summon by the clone summoning 5m rogue/mage legendary. Imagine the grief that could cause.
@@DonFreeq lol wut?
You are literally just making shit up now.
Nobody knows and totem shaman is already on the fringe of being good.
Wait and see
@@C3l3bi1 Nobody knows for sure that's obvious, but we all are making some predictions. This one is mine and difference may be i'm quite good with those in general. Could be wrong no doubt about it but nothing up to now indicates runic carvage and goliath will be at least in decent, not to mention "good" category. Literally nothing. Safe bet in my book.
And as far totem shaman goes it has very polarized match-up and it's flood deck. Therefore quite easy to predict what range of decks in new exp. it has good match-up and bad one. In my opinion range of possible match-ups gets worse and doesn't get many improvements overall. Considering that and what we have seen from spelldamage shaman i'm assuming it's worse. Wait couple days and you will see i was right xd
@@DonFreeq atlast you made a good comment
I must be hearing things if trump is saying flamebrand is "way better than flamewaker". In what world? 2 reasons why Flamewaker is an infinitely better card: 1) Flamewaker hits face
2) Flamewaker triggers after EVERY spell cast, not just the first time, making its damage output and board clearing potential leagues better. Sure you have to cast more than 1 spell, but since when has generating spells been an issue for mage? Mana isn't an issue here either, since mage has access to Sorcerer's Apprentice, often making a turn 5 play a bunch of small spells and clear the board plus damage face. How 1 extra attack and 2 extra damage 1 time is better is beyond me.
Hitting face is a problem for random damage, random damage to face is ofte useless. For what you want ut to do in your deck, flamewaker would need to trigger twice and not hit face to be equal to Flamebrand. That is more mana and more cards. In theory flamewaker could do more next turn than Flamebrand, but that requires your opponent to not deal respons to the flamewaker at all, which means the game is likely won already
@@Sammathnar I guess you haven't played against quest mage in wild. Mana is not an issue when sorcerer's apprentice is on the field, and mage has Evocation, Mana Cyclone, Violet Spellwing, Ray of Frost, and Primordial Glyph, all of which generate new spells and keep your hand PLENTY full. You have more than enough ammunition for the fringe case where your flamewaker doesn't hit a minion.
Devolving missile 2 stars? Its more 4 Or 5
does Ceremonial Maul summon a 5/5 before or after the Brawl happened?
Gebirges after
Old adventure run gets a buff. The summon ANY totem could now get the Goliath for insane value
Obviously there isn't enough of a sample size from both played games and opponent deck lists to be sure but Spell Shaman seems like it has a TON Of potential. The decks biggest problem will be draw. Though instructore fireheart helps with that some. It has Explosive damage. and even rather silly tempo potential (at the cost of next turns tempo).
What? Mage will be weak in the magic expansion?
looks like it :/
isn't there also a combo mage deck involving potion of illusion on your girls, then archmage antonidas, then fireball face?
Yes he tried it and found out its bad.
agent00x with the combo disruption cards in this set and pretty aggressive leaning for most classes it won't be viable. Maybe with tons of refinement it will be a fringe deck but it auto loses to glide and that paladin(I think) card.
I could be completely wrong but at least at face value it seems awful.
*chuckle* freeze shaman. I love how they are trying to push options with shaman. Hey guys we now can do Spell damage :D
you chuckle... i vomit
Brain Freeze (an underrated mechanic) seems like a good card to me. Cheap and easy to combo.
I think the problem with brain freeze is that dealing damage to frozen minions is REALLY bad because the point of freezing minions is so you don’t have to deal with them for one turn.
Rattlegore 4-star, Firebrand>Flamewaker, Cram Session 1-star, Notetaker 2-star, etc.
Oh sweet Summer child.
I think the Alzheimers is creeping up on him. Tempo Mage with Flamewaker would consistently get way more damage than 4 at one time.
@@xVibra Yeah, I hope he's okay. Flamewanker is batshit nuts, to put it lightly.
I shall enjoy whipping out the pure paladin with these new cards. Blessing of Authority is insanely strong. I genuinely expect it to be nerfed and if not then I look forward to just deleting an minion if they forgot to kill my 1/1 squire.
Surprised no one has made a secret tunnel reference for secret passage
Top 10 cards of the set next?
I think there are going to be a lot of under rated cards in this set because of the insane power cards people are focusing on
Firebrand is good but saying it's way better than Flamewaker makes me want to throw up. It's not even close.
I wonder why they thought Secret Passage was a good idea, it's literally like Soularium for Warlock but you get 2 more options and you don't even lose the cards if you don't play them
Can’t believe he forgot about Azure Drake when talking about Spell Damage.
Edit: And Thalnos!
I was wondering why blizz didn't reuse inspire keyword and now why no reuse recuit too?
They don't like having past keywords because it messes with stuff,they leave it to the set it came from or at least the yearly rotation.
@@caasinom8008 em, discover?
Its meant as an expansion exclusive. Galakrond's awakening is an anomaly where it reused a handful of old keywords
@@hugoramos7647 i didn't say there weren't any but many aren't.
I thought that the point of the keyword. To define one specific effect and be able to reuse it in the future with just one word.
But you got the point, new player won't know what is inspire, recuit or evem echo is.
I can already see how badly his Rattlegore and Infiltrator Lilian ratings are gonna age.
Rainbow Devil he’s rating stuff either TOO high or WAY too low, the re-review of this is gonna be hilarious
Most likely just a meme, but double studies and double blooms give you a lot of mana to work with Malygos
Jens! I fall asleep to these videos. Can you cool it with the extreme hotline miami outroes?
Lmao
Trump clealy missed the new Spell Damage Shaman deck that Thijs was playing. Pretty insane deck!
I think ramping muckmorphers with innervate and the new dragon will be good for shaman
Totem Shaman right now wins or loses based on if it can get a bunch of totems to stick, and it's not like "that" terrible... but then they get 2 new cards that let them vomit totems on the board and cheat them out early with Lightning bloom. I'm honestly curious how some of these class cards that were previously unexciting in one class, but that bleed into another turn out. I can definitely see Rogues starting to play Sap again just because they can't handle a Lightning Bloomed Goliath.
Ironic that Cutting Class has synergy with a Maul.
I think that the Warrior/Rogue cards were over rated, cause if you say they are better to rogue I think that they are not good at all, the way I see them (specially Krastinov) is in bomb warrior, where you can buff so hard your weapon that have an extra effect and on the top of it refil your hand with Cuting Class and summoning a 4 drop with Steeldancer. If Weapon rogue become a thing we have some possibilities to use as weapon remove, those are all pretty consistant and reliable, so I guess that it's not only 2 Self-Sharpening Swords that are going to lead Rogue to this path, maybe this deck will be a tier 2 deck with many hard couters
I really don't understand why the Hearthstone team didn't put freeze on Shaman again. That could be a perfect cross between mage and shaman
Infiltrator Lillian dies then comes back. Randomly hits a 2/1 and dies again. 5 STARS! Devolving Missles that costs 1 (Can remove taunts, death rattle, unactivated Spellburst effects, and continuous abilities like Ras FrostWhisper) 2 Stars!
I really don't see the appeal of fire heart at all, can someone explain?
its a better vulpera( good card that saw play in several archetypes and still does) with an enormous upside
despite this I don t think shaman will see play
Can someone please get me his outro music?
6:55 How did he combine with a straight face "4 mana 4/2", "aggro" and "Galakrond"? None of those fit together!
The 4/2 could be in a Galakrond deck, but it's not a fit, just a fill.
... and how is a 4 mana 4/4 stealth "significantly slower" than a 4 mana 4/2 stealth? The 4/4 is faster! The later effect is faster, sure, but the minion itself isn't.
I guess he sees it as a
4 mana deal 4-12 damage
vs
4 mana deal 4 samage
@@HasekuraIsuna Knowing Trump's playstyle, it's more of a "4 mana trade with an enemy minion"
As for my original comment, I'm just saying that a 4/2 is slower than a 4/4. Ignoring any later effects.
And later effect, due to being later, are inherently not very fast - card draw and deathrattles.
You are wrong about notetaker. It is an aggro card
Where do you get your data from cause on HS replay totem shaman is like teir 2
Fivehead ??? His own fivehead!!!
T2*
@@anuk1311 whats 5 head
@@donniex8799 typo
I don't understand why people rate Self sharpening sword high. if I'm playing a weapon rogue to hit face, I'm sure as hell not putting a 1 attack weapon to my deck. Even if it grows. It's too slow. You go Simitar and wagglepick all the way.
Hard agree. It’s way too slow
0:54 "You're playing a tempo warrior deck if you're playing risky skipper"
Does Trump really not know that the current bomb control warrior deck also runs the skipper package?
It's weird how he rated the warrior minions over 7 mana so good, and then commencement and minion generation support so bad.
He explained why. Watch the video before you comment
is it just me or is he forgetting that the spells from Instructor Fireheart can cost more than 1?
Imagine not catching on Playmaker + Krastinov when comparing it to Greenskin...
I think Rattlegore will be a lot better next year when every class doesn't have access to Zeph.
How do you activate Reaper’s Scythe in warrior?
Devolving Missiles 2 stars?! That one is going to bite Trump in the ass.
Meanwhile Thijs is allready crushing early acces with spellpower shaman. XD
What is the outro song?
I seriously disagree on the Doctor Krastinov rating. In what world is it worse than Captain Greenskin.
It has 4 *fast damage* and it will *always* buff your weapon for +1/+1. But if your opponent leaves it on the board, it gives your weapon *additional* +1/+1 that Captain Greenskin doesn't.
So even on the base assumption that it will die before your next turn, it's still as good as Captain Greenskin or even better because of the 4 fast damage.
How blind is Trump to not see this *value*?
EDIT
Also in what world is a *Rush* minion that instantly gives your weapon stats slow?!
Firebrand is not even remotely close to being better than Flamewaker. Waker can proc multiple times and hit face, vs Brand being just once (albeit with 4 damage instead of 2, so i guess ya can say it goes 'twice')
Flamewaker *still* ruins tavern brawls due to how good it is.
But tempo mage firebrand is better
Firebrand better then flamewaker , pay a lil visit to wild I’d say