I don't think the nylon washers are enough. The contact could still be made by the threads, as in steves video. This would only prevent surface contact between the head and board, or board and case. Use a ziptie or a nylon screw.
If you have the old PCIE riser that can catch on fire, don't follow the advice of this video. Watch Gamers Nexus video on the subject. You cannot use the bottom metal screw. A nylon screw is a temporary fix but you need to get a free replacement/new V3 riser from NZXT
My pc won't go to sleep. I always have to click sleep, wait for it to try but fail and then click sleep again for it to work. It also randomly wakes itself up from sleep. Do I need a pc repair or an exorcist?
My metallicgear case (Neo G Mini V2) was honestly also poorly built and designed. Had to do a lot of manual adjustments, and would definitely not recommend the brand - unless you are okay with completely overhauling your case. Seems like the hardware has similar issues.
Or fluid bearings for that matter. I have Fractal Silent R2 fans in my case that have been going strong for like 7 years despite getting quite dusty a number of times.
When he said that it's been dusty I immediately thought about how those wildfires definitely did not make it any better for air quality. Granted, the fan was still trash but the wildfires definitely didn't make anything better
mine lasted 2 years before there was loud noise due to friction becuse dust got in and mixed with oil.. i just got oiled replaced and a year has already been its fine.........
Obligatory "Go watch the GN video" comment here. You probably saw it by now, but seriously, go watch GN video about that NZXT fire issue. Probably best to replace the whole riser cable just to be safe.
That wont fix it if the PCB doesn't change. its the PCB that has the negligent design flaw which basiy fails the 101 of PCB design *never* put hot traces in close proximity to screw holes.
@@mjisurdad a nylon washer will not stop the metal screw from making contact within the PCB layers and then making contact with the frame. Requires a completely nonconductive screw. Yes a nylon screw will break. NZXT needs to do a recall and replace the riser. It's a shame that they are doing the math to see if the cost of a recall outweighs the cost of the lawsuits due to house fires and/or lose of life.
@@mjisurdad Watch gamers nexus video on this issue,a washer not stop the screw THREADS from contacting an internal 12v trace which is way to close to the screw hole, dangerously close, close enough that the screw threads can ground the 12v trace if turned just right. In fact a nylon washe may change things just enough to alter thread positioning and *cause* a fire. Removing the screw completely and fixing withdouble sided tape or velcro would workaround the issue, but as GN saya,nothing short of replacing the badly/negligently designed pcb will actually fix this.
I remember school techs told us that the servers were shutting down at night. What was happening was the CPU fan died, the server runs during the day but overnight it runs the backup routine which included file compression which was causing the CPU to overheat and shutdown. We told the techs to remove the side panel and look at the CPU fan and get it replaced.
And here I thought a fan was just a fan. Jesus, you're telling me I need to be concerned about which bearing type is oriented into what position? Argh!
Nah, just spend a kabajillion dollars on Noctua airflow fans for your case and pressure fans for your radiators and bask in the thermal rigidity of your now beige and brown computer. (I know they come in black now but that isn't as entertaining.)
@@Morpheus-pt3wq I recently upgraded to a Noctua PPC 3000 for a rear exhaust and PPC 2000s for bottom intake and front intake. I expected a difference, but its truly insane how much nicer these fans are than the Thermaltake fans they replaced.
@@ryanengen8081 thermaltake basically re-sells chinese crap, slaps a sticker on it and marks its price up. Source: I have an old thermaltake armor from 2004/5(?) on my garage, it was expensive af back then (150$ for a shitty full tower case) and all of it SUCKS. it looked "cool" (back then and for the era), but it is just so BAD, I cringe at the thought of having bought and waste that amount of cash on a case.
To be fair, I don't what specific MetallicGear fan this is, but all the ones on their website are rifle bearing fans. They all have oils or fluids that can get junked up by dust, but not as much as fluid dynamic fans which have obviously more fluid. But yes, typically the fluid fans prefer being in a flat orientation for optimal lifespan and I'd recommend it like Jay said.
My PC was actually "partially" shutting down a few months ago. The screen went black, the fans still spining, the mouse and the keyboard turn off, the motherboard lights were working but I wasn't able to turn off the PC my pushing the power button, I was only able to do it by disconnecting the PSU. The motherboard showed the debug led for the CPU, as if this was the issue. After some testing I couldn't make it work and after a few days I took my system apart and noticed a dark spot behind the motherboard, kinda like oil or some other kind of liquid, right behind where the VRMs are. I checked and everything seemed fine, but since I couldn't make it work and left the parts on their respective boxes. A week later I was bored and decided to put everything together again but wanted to try something crazy. I took the VRMs heatshink off, and turned the thermal pad 180º, the PC worked fine for about a week and a half before the problem started. I bought a new motherboard and the problem was solved... So I'm guessing the problem was very bad cooling on the VRMs due to a defective thermal pad, causing a discrepancy on the voltage delivered to the CPU, therefore, everything shutting down and the motherboard showing the CPU debug led. TL;DR if your PC is shutting down in a strange way, check the VRMs cooling.
It could have also been that the capacitors needed to be discharged (for... reasons?). I had a similar issue and unplugging the PC and mashing the power button for a few seconds fixed it. Even if that’s not what caused you problem, it’s still a good troubleshooting tip
Jay! You made the problem worse. You just unscrewed it, removing more coating and rescrewed it, removing even more coating to the 12v layer. Then grounded it back to the case. Zip tie man, use a zip tie, a stick, piece of gum, anything other then a grounding screw! K, maybe not gum as it would also be conductive...
When I design PCBs, I usually either design the screw position to be an intentional grounding point or route tracks a safe distance away, so nothing connects to the screw. This obviously may pose a space management challenge when there's a more space needed.
I genuinely enjoy this type of content, Jay. I consider myself an above average enthusiast and would likely be able to resolve an issue like this. However, I always find these both educational and entertaining. Thank you guys.
Hey I have an automatic repair loop blue screen and it’s stopping me from doin anything on my computer would appreciate any help it gave me a file if that help system 32
Edit: After watching the newer videos, removal of the metal screw is necessary. It has the possibility of damaging GPUs if nothing is done. Still, this is a problem for second-hand use of the computer case if people are not informed of the issue. I think people are misinterpreting gamer's nexus' video again. Correct me if I'm wrong but if there you haven't removed the metal screw and your computer isn't on fire, you're fine (but probably replace the screw). If you use the replacement nylon hardware, you're good. If you are repeatedly reinstalling the riser card and the metal screw in this case, it will shave off the PCB eventually exposing the copper traces. The issue isn't an immediate threat, but someone may encounter it if reusing or moding the case and riser card, especially when getting it second hand.
Jay, the screw is still contacting the case because it threads in. The issues with the reiser shown by GN is inside of the pcb where there isn't a coating for the screw and yes, there is a possibility of a short because of the lack of coating and bad pcb design.
My top 3 things to fix this year doing Family & Friends tech support have been: Failing SSD's (getting more and more common), SATA cables going bad WITHOUT being kinked, and gunked up or dry-seized fans. There's some an early failure pandemic going on in certain segments of the component industry lately.
Anyone curious to RGB this case, there's enough room to line strips along the inside of the frame where the glass panel is and it looks fine as long as your strips aren't too long. And for the riser cable, I just used zip ties on both screws. Quick and dirty, but it works.
It's not the washer, it's the thread on the screw boring into the pcb, the holes are really tight and the thread is touching the 12V layer inside the PCB. Steve from gamersnexus proved this.
Please help I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor Tried everything Ram The monitor it self Gpu Everything is plugged correctly btw The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well I got ryzen 5 2600 16gb ddr4 3000 2060 rtx Psu is 400w Where is the problem??
I bought that electric screwdriver maybe 3-4 years ago after a saw it on a youtube list video of modern tools to buy. I use it all the time, and Lowes carries it, which is where I got mine.
plastic washer will do nothing! the screw threads will still make contact with the pcb and case causing a short. glad you took extra care to fix it properly since its in a childs bedroom.
Had a cooling issue recently after moving my PC around. Under no load in the BIOS, i was pushing 94°C. Took my headphones off and could hear water or air bubbles being moved around. The pump had an RPM and so did the fans. But hearing those noises was not normal. The fix: Removed the AIO and radiator. Gave it a good shake and Voilà! I love when its that simple.
You being the one that built that PC and then seeing it fail due to human error is like the Merovingian seeing Neo bleed. You’re just a man! And i love it! ❤️🙌🏻🔥 I feel less bad of my builds now that I know that the build God is not perfect. 👾 God Bless you Jay!
I still love how a few years ago, we got so sick of RGB that we wished it would go away, and now when a case doesn't have it, it's like "Come on, really guys?"
I've been enjoying the more casual style of these daily videos. I know it would be a ton of work to keep uploading daily, but I'd like to see more stuff in a similar style in the future. ^-^
How is the scew isolated, if its still threading in to the chassi and that thread also hitting the pcb? Thought you said that the screws "bite in to the pcb" aka hitting the leads inside the pcb. So isolating it with washers shouldnt fix it really.
Had the same thought, and Steve/Patrick (Gamer's Nexus) just proved it. Nylon Washers won't do shit. And by actually removing and putting the screw back in Jay might have increased the chances of the screw thread contacting the trace in PCB.
@@KnightlySpartan yep the washer thickness means a different part of the thread is now in the area that causes the fire. Jay might have inadvertently caused a fire hazard.
The fan you used is has a HYDRAULIC bearing, not a magnetic levitation. You should have put an ML series fan, they use magnetic levitation bearings, they are from corsair and they have really good static pressure. I have two of them on a rad too and i am really happy with them.
I would pull that pcie riser out and check were those 12 volt traces go on the riser pcb Jay, if they are near those screw holes the threads on the screw could catch the side of them and putting plastic washers on the top makes no different whats so ever!, After watching steve's video of him adjusting that screw and it starting fire I wouldn't take the risk by doing what you have done because you could still have a connection between the screw thread and the pcb then down threw ground to the chassis, how many amps does your 12v rail in your psu have????, it's the current that makes every thing hot then it catches fire, I work as a electronics repair tech every day, stay safe and replace that riser cable...........:-).....It's like putting alot of current across a metal rod and watching it glow cherry red, be careful..............
Please help I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor Tried everything Ram The monitor it self Gpu Everything is plugged correctly btw The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well I got ryzen 5 2600 16gb ddr4 3000 2060 rtx Psu is 400w Where is the problem??
Hi all, just wanted to take a minute to wish you a very merry Christmas and a happy year, most of all good health! These days people don't spend much time or thought on some personal words to their friends and family, they just copy and paste some random message and send it on. So after all we've been though together this year I want to thank you for your friendship and wish you a happy and fulfilling 2018 - you’re the best gymnastics group anyone could ask for. Best wishes, Helen
Please help I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor Tried everything Ram The monitor it self Gpu Everything is plugged correctly btw The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on I got ryzen 5 2600 16gb ddr4 3000 2060 rtx Psu is 400w Where is the problem??
i thought Britec's comment was just that Jay-Z slapped on a new fan and called it a day. But I learned something today about fan bearings and fan orientation. Totally worth the view plus it was entertaining!
Watching you reminds me of one of my favorite TV series - House. You are now my favorite Dr. PC who know how diagnose PC problem and fix it. so don't lose the funny side of your every video. Cheers.
I love your videos man, you're always so informative, funny and you keep me entertained. I recently built my first pc and your videos helped me along the way. Not to mention, your personality is great too. Keep up the good work!
I'm glad you did this follow up in the purple NZXT, it was reccomended to me by youtube after watching GN 3 or 4 th video about the screw. i dont know i like big towers better.
it may sound crasy but i did it and my pc worked: since there is in some cases planty of room in the backside ( as to cable management further down some tips which may work for you ) i took the cooler of an old cpu unit and made it to have the needed plug and then i linked it to the backfan so that both runned in the same speed. Man i tell you that pc was like a grand turino with rocketboosters on it haha. as for those who say that could cause " condesattion " that is not the case at all : you cut so much out of your case that you can use an old mesh , or , you make a cardboard template and then draw the inner dimensions to our case and then you make tiny holes with a drill ( that side has to be deteched from your pc !!! ) or, you make slits in it and cover those with a dustfilter. Mine allready had one side with such mesh and i ended up literaly turn it around and was luck to find it be in the very place i needed it ( even though a litle biger then needed ). i atached right there the fan. not even a bit of condensation.... now to cable management : there is this sort of cardboard pieaces which are bend in the shape of an L from the frontside. and those are avaleble in all sizes. now you take two of them and combine them so that you get a U with sharp corners. you glue this to the case behind the side " door " where you need it , and atach throughout inside the U shape Velcro and the negative part of the Velcro with a part of the positive one around the cables you want to manage. after you are done with them you simply place them insode those lnes = make sure the cardborard chanels are in the right size ( Low Profile ) in some cases you dont even need to bay any : go to the next store and grab some for they do anyway end up in the trash ! i would suggest after you made out of those your chanels that you use wood glue thinned with water so that it allmost has the consistence of milk and brush them many times with it and let it dry befor using and then a kote of transparent coat ( of corse before you put any velcro inthere ). now either you glue that on place or use litle screws but this would require drilling and your good to go. use allways the shortest way for the cables so that they are ot under any sort of streching or pulling and : forms : the best one is the quader or even two if you have to manage two different sets of cables with also two different lengths: for making those you will need to cut exact angles so that you can glue these together and in those come your cables...you can even code those like : fancables , or usb, or drivers and so on and forth. my next pc i am gonna build will have these things and where it not for the accident i had which caused a short circuit on the motherboard , that pc would still run good. but i have now all its fans so the next pc will be like a grand turino with impulse drive.
Thanks for addressing the question about the screwdriver. I ended up finding it on Amazon after your past video. I know its a cheap one but I like the way it twists near the top to activate it. Couldn't find another one around that did that. Lol. Thanks Jay
"I'm not gonna take it out... What I am gonna do is take the screw out and add a plastic washer in there. Then there's no chance of it grounding at that point." Counterpoint: if the screw is metal, then the threads are metal. Your washer won't do anything. I might recommend adding Lock-tite, to cut the other connection.
Maybe I got GN's problem identification all wrong, but I think the problem was that the PCB screw hole wears down due to the metal screw scraping and cutting into it, causing the screw to bite into a 12 Volt layer inside the PCB and then short through the case (which Jay pointed out). The Nylon washer does absolutely nothing to prevent this, while taking the screw out and refastening is actually creating more wear and increases the chance of the problem to arise. As a temporary fix I can understand the use of nylon Tie-Raps, nylon screws (The suggested "fix" by NZXT), but not refastening it with the same metal screw and a nylon washer. The trick is to prevent a short through the use of electrical isolators rather then electrical conductors.
Uh, just adding a plastic washer won't stop it from shorting to ground because metal threads. A better solution would be to just add electrical tape on top of the screw head. And the electrical tape would still has the possibility of wearing through and shorting out. (edit to add) Watching it a second time, there shouldn't be any power traces in the section of PCB around the mounting hole. There is no reason for a trace to loop into the tab where the PCB mounting hole is located. I was just reminded of something I heard and engineer say once. "It fit in Solid Works" Also, had a engineering graphics/drafting professor (also and Engineer) say one time "that's not your problem, that's the technician's problem" when a classmate brought up the fact that there wasn't a way to access for repair the thing we were drawing on the computer.
Please help I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor Tried everything Ram The monitor it self Gpu Everything is plugged correctly btw The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on I got ryzen 5 2600 16gb ddr4 3000 2060 rtx Psu is 400w Where is the problem??
I bought one of those same Hammerhead drivers a few years ago because it is also short enough to travel with in your carry on bag. Make sure to take any bits out first.
Please help I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor Tried everything Ram The monitor it self Gpu Everything is plugged correctly btw The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on I got ryzen 5 2600 16gb ddr4 3000 2060 rtx Psu is 400w Where is the problem??
Please help I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor Tried everything Ram The monitor it self Gpu Everything is plugged correctly btw The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on I got ryzen 5 2600 16gb ddr4 3000 2060 rtx Psu is 400w Where is the problem??
@JayzTwoCents pretty sure them washers are not going to prevent the pci issue. The problem was the 12v line makes contact with the threads of the screw, not the head of the screw.
Hey Jay, I do have some problems with thermals of my RTX 3070 Strix. When mounted vertical (I/O to the top!) my temps are at TJ-max (80°C) and the fans are spinning quite fast. When I lay my case to the side, so the MB is flat the temps go down to ~60°C.
As a note, you got your bearings backwards here. Fluid bearings are fine in any orientation; Sleeve and rifle bearings are the ones that don't like vertical mounting. They also dislike heat, which might be a complicating factor in your application here. The Metallic Gear Skiron fan you pulled out uses a rifle bearing.
Freaking Phil.... I was lazily watching the video with headphones on, half asleep rom the turkey and way too big of a meal. All of a sudden there's and explosion and I was wide awake...Damn near jumped out of my chair. The entire family including me got a good laugh out of it. Merry Christmas
The cheapest electric screwdriver on amazon. Nice one, often the cheap things do just as well. I actually use the cheapest fiber enforced discs for my dremel, 25 for $3 or so, they are good enough for cutting side panels and stuff. Same for the screws, don't haven an iFixit kit, but the one from the local grocery store, it's doing the job.
Please help I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor Tried everything Ram The monitor it self Gpu Everything is plugged correctly btw The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on I got ryzen 5 2600 16gb ddr4 3000 2060 rtx Psu is 400w Where is the problem??
Just finished up a new build in a Corsair 4000X with their riser card, and had to use a couple of metal washers to space the riser adapter up a little. Glad I saw this because now I'm going to get a few nylon washers to protect the riser, and add the necessary spacing as the GPU (when installed) doesn't quite sit in the slot all of the way. Merry Christmas to you and yours', Jay! Loving the "31 Days of Techmas"!
Always inspect the physical condition of the product in question first before going into the software settings. Simplicity is efficiency. Start with the most basic.
Nice, I just watched this video on my own H1, except I'm running a 2700/2070 combo. Good job on the build, and the fix; I'll have to go back and look for the other videos on this build.
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I don't think the nylon washers are enough. The contact could still be made by the threads, as in steves video. This would only prevent surface contact between the head and board, or board and case.
Use a ziptie or a nylon screw.
This needs to be higher
Agreed, the second video has completely proven this washer fix would not work, a retraction is needed.
I think zipties would be fine
If you have the old PCIE riser that can catch on fire, don't follow the advice of this video. Watch Gamers Nexus video on the subject. You cannot use the bottom metal screw. A nylon screw is a temporary fix but you need to get a free replacement/new V3 riser from NZXT
I hope he saw this or knows about it....
"Black Ice didn't want to stay off, fixed that one easily." Pulls the powerplug
Lol
Sticking power switches or a bios setting
*flips the PSU switch*
That’s how you ground a kid
My pc won't go to sleep. I always have to click sleep, wait for it to try but fail and then click sleep again for it to work. It also randomly wakes itself up from sleep. Do I need a pc repair or an exorcist?
Just being dusty isn't a defense for a fan failing in less than 6 months. Its a defective unit or very poorly built.
My metallicgear case (Neo G Mini V2) was honestly also poorly built and designed. Had to do a lot of manual adjustments, and would definitely not recommend the brand - unless you are okay with completely overhauling your case. Seems like the hardware has similar issues.
I have 3 metallic gear* fans, my rear 120 is fine but both of my front 140s in my neo mini v2 are crapping out and they are barely 1 year old
Or fluid bearings for that matter. I have Fractal Silent R2 fans in my case that have been going strong for like 7 years despite getting quite dusty a number of times.
When he said that it's been dusty I immediately thought about how those wildfires definitely did not make it any better for air quality. Granted, the fan was still trash but the wildfires definitely didn't make anything better
mine lasted 2 years before there was loud noise due to friction becuse dust got in and mixed with oil.. i just got oiled replaced and a year has already been its fine.........
This PC is shutting down due to overheating...let's investigate why!
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I was doing stuff on the side and this spooked me...
That girl was so bad that even her case screws got grounded.
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@@youraveragemetalhead226 you hurt my feelings man...
@@dimitrimichaux461 nah. i hurt NZXT's feelings for engineering such a horrible pcie riser
“I don’t want to take it out and have it flop around”.
Neither do we, Jay.
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@@nassima2010D this is the new link
PSA: Nylon Washers aren't a solution, if you haven't gotten the Nylon Screw fix kit from NZXT, use zip ties till they arrive.
Zip ties are a solid solution if NZXT's fix is not available in your area.
Obligatory "Go watch the GN video" comment here. You probably saw it by now, but seriously, go watch GN video about that NZXT fire issue. Probably best to replace the whole riser cable just to be safe.
That wont fix it if the PCB doesn't change. its the PCB that has the negligent design flaw which basiy fails the 101 of PCB design *never* put hot traces in close proximity to screw holes.
This video was made before GN's
Gamer'sNexus just did a breakdown of the fire potential. Plastic or nylon washer will not fix this.
Nylon will but they can break is all.
@@mjisurdad nylon bolts are a temporary fix, the fix shown in this video, a washer, will not work.
This needs more likes @JayzTwoCents
@@mjisurdad a nylon washer will not stop the metal screw from making contact within the PCB layers and then making contact with the frame. Requires a completely nonconductive screw. Yes a nylon screw will break. NZXT needs to do a recall and replace the riser. It's a shame that they are doing the math to see if the cost of a recall outweighs the cost of the lawsuits due to house fires and/or lose of life.
@@mjisurdad Watch gamers nexus video on this issue,a washer not stop the screw THREADS from contacting an internal 12v trace which is way to close to the screw hole, dangerously close, close enough that the screw threads can ground the 12v trace if turned just right.
In fact a nylon washe may change things just enough to alter thread positioning and *cause* a fire.
Removing the screw completely and fixing withdouble sided tape or velcro would workaround the issue, but as GN saya,nothing short of replacing the badly/negligently designed pcb will actually fix this.
Dang that iFixit explosion caught me off guard. Well played, sir. Well played, indeed.
Lol...scared the shit out of me
I remember school techs told us that the servers were shutting down at night. What was happening was the CPU fan died, the server runs during the day but overnight it runs the backup routine which included file compression which was causing the CPU to overheat and shutdown. We told the techs to remove the side panel and look at the CPU fan and get it replaced.
school tech ... that sucks
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Yeah... where’s my screwdriver link?!
+1 I’d like to know the screwdriver as well.
I wish all my pc repairs were this simple lol Merry Christmas Jay to you and your family.
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You dont have many views but sometimes your vids were worth piles of gold for me, cheers for all the help!
And here I thought a fan was just a fan. Jesus, you're telling me I need to be concerned about which bearing type is oriented into what position? Argh!
Nah, just spend a kabajillion dollars on Noctua airflow fans for your case and pressure fans for your radiators and bask in the thermal rigidity of your now beige and brown computer. (I know they come in black now but that isn't as entertaining.)
Buy Noctua fans, they seem to be eternal - cheaper Redux line is fine too. Orientation doesn´t matter.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq I recently upgraded to a Noctua PPC 3000 for a rear exhaust and PPC 2000s for bottom intake and front intake. I expected a difference, but its truly insane how much nicer these fans are than the Thermaltake fans they replaced.
@@ryanengen8081 thermaltake basically re-sells chinese crap, slaps a sticker on it and marks its price up.
Source: I have an old thermaltake armor from 2004/5(?) on my garage, it was expensive af back then (150$ for a shitty full tower case) and all of it SUCKS. it looked "cool" (back then and for the era), but it is just so BAD, I cringe at the thought of having bought and waste that amount of cash on a case.
To be fair, I don't what specific MetallicGear fan this is, but all the ones on their website are rifle bearing fans. They all have oils or fluids that can get junked up by dust, but not as much as fluid dynamic fans which have obviously more fluid. But yes, typically the fluid fans prefer being in a flat orientation for optimal lifespan and I'd recommend it like Jay said.
My PC was actually "partially" shutting down a few months ago. The screen went black, the fans still spining, the mouse and the keyboard turn off, the motherboard lights were working but I wasn't able to turn off the PC my pushing the power button, I was only able to do it by disconnecting the PSU. The motherboard showed the debug led for the CPU, as if this was the issue.
After some testing I couldn't make it work and after a few days I took my system apart and noticed a dark spot behind the motherboard, kinda like oil or some other kind of liquid, right behind where the VRMs are. I checked and everything seemed fine, but since I couldn't make it work and left the parts on their respective boxes.
A week later I was bored and decided to put everything together again but wanted to try something crazy. I took the VRMs heatshink off, and turned the thermal pad 180º, the PC worked fine for about a week and a half before the problem started.
I bought a new motherboard and the problem was solved... So I'm guessing the problem was very bad cooling on the VRMs due to a defective thermal pad, causing a discrepancy on the voltage delivered to the CPU, therefore, everything shutting down and the motherboard showing the CPU debug led.
TL;DR if your PC is shutting down in a strange way, check the VRMs cooling.
It could have also been that the capacitors needed to be discharged (for... reasons?). I had a similar issue and unplugging the PC and mashing the power button for a few seconds fixed it. Even if that’s not what caused you problem, it’s still a good troubleshooting tip
Little note: the LL fans use hydrodynamic bearings, the ML fans are magnets
Was intending to make the exact same comment. Only the ML fans are well... ML = MagLev.
Yeah I don't think he realized that what he was installing was a LL120 RGB fan and not a ML120 RGB fan lol
"I'll put a link down below to one I recommend..."
Doesn't put a link down below to a screwdriver he recommends...
If you can’t just search electric screwdriver on Amazon that’s on you lol
Damn, the Hammerhead one he uses costs $99, I thought he said it was cheap.
Out of stock. Raaahhhh I
www.amazon.com/HAMMERHEAD-HCSD040-02-Rechargeable-Screwdriver-Technology/dp/B01N0YV423/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=electric+screwdriver+Hammerhead&qid=1608842936&sr=8-2
@@ashakir85 yeh, no stock for me
Jay! You made the problem worse. You just unscrewed it, removing more coating and rescrewed it, removing even more coating to the 12v layer. Then grounded it back to the case. Zip tie man, use a zip tie, a stick, piece of gum, anything other then a grounding screw! K, maybe not gum as it would also be conductive...
When I design PCBs, I usually either design the screw position to be an intentional grounding point or route tracks a safe distance away, so nothing connects to the screw. This obviously may pose a space management challenge when there's a more space needed.
I feel like this guy is one of the more genuine youtubers out there. Not even just in the tech space- but like out of all of them. What a guy
You should love yourself therefore you are a loved one -JayzTwoCents
Happy Holidays 🎉🍻
I genuinely enjoy this type of content, Jay. I consider myself an above average enthusiast and would likely be able to resolve an issue like this. However, I always find these both educational and entertaining. Thank you guys.
Hey I have an automatic repair loop blue screen and it’s stopping me from doin anything on my computer would appreciate any help it gave me a file if that help system 32
Merry Christmas Jay and everyone in the comment !
@F*UĆK ME ! SEE MY VÍDÉO ! god stop please
Merry Christmas, I love you. ❤️
merry Christmas . stay safe and healthy.
♨️
Thanks, king. Merry Christmas!
Edit: After watching the newer videos, removal of the metal screw is necessary. It has the possibility of damaging GPUs if nothing is done. Still, this is a problem for second-hand use of the computer case if people are not informed of the issue.
I think people are misinterpreting gamer's nexus' video again. Correct me if I'm wrong but if there you haven't removed the metal screw and your computer isn't on fire, you're fine (but probably replace the screw). If you use the replacement nylon hardware, you're good. If you are repeatedly reinstalling the riser card and the metal screw in this case, it will shave off the PCB eventually exposing the copper traces. The issue isn't an immediate threat, but someone may encounter it if reusing or moding the case and riser card, especially when getting it second hand.
put a sticker on the PC: KFC
and the problem is solved
Thats how KFCONSOLE born
Yeah, it definitely needs a chicken chamber.
I have that same electric screw driver, Used it for almost 15 builds now. Love it.
8:19 did not expect that explosion 💥 😂
What's crazy is that $20 electric screwdriver is sold out everywhere and people are scalping it for $80-200... like wtf.
Jayz: "Metal Gear...."
Solid Snake: "Metal Gear?!!"
Jayz: "...Fan."
SNAAAAAAAAAAKE
Lots of nice and useful tools in your arsenal.
Linus's ltt store segues are so next level its got Jay peddlin their stuff
Jay, the screw is still contacting the case because it threads in. The issues with the reiser shown by GN is inside of the pcb where there isn't a coating for the screw and yes, there is a possibility of a short because of the lack of coating and bad pcb design.
Sort by prize low, prime , go! This guy just keeps living up to his name.
Hate how he had everything open and didn't clean the dust out of the aio. That thing was filthy
At least it wasn't due to an RGB SSD like last time lol
would be funny if it was the RGB of the fan cooking the lube.
My top 3 things to fix this year doing Family & Friends tech support have been:
Failing SSD's (getting more and more common), SATA cables going bad WITHOUT being kinked, and gunked up or dry-seized fans.
There's some an early failure pandemic going on in certain segments of the component industry lately.
You spelled "shutting" down wrong in the thumbnail!! Lol
Merry Christmas everyone :)
At least it wasn't misspelled with an "i" !
@@haplozetetic9519 😂
Anyone curious to RGB this case, there's enough room to line strips along the inside of the frame where the glass panel is and it looks fine as long as your strips aren't too long. And for the riser cable, I just used zip ties on both screws. Quick and dirty, but it works.
Getting someone a gift after Christmas simply means you reeeeally thought hard about it ;)
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It's not the washer, it's the thread on the screw boring into the pcb, the holes are really tight and the thread is touching the 12V layer inside the PCB. Steve from gamersnexus proved this.
my guesses: no ventilation,carpet,stuffed in a cabinet?
Jay: nope its coz i put in a fan that that broke
Those washers don't isolate the ground you still have screw to metal contact with the threads.
But he put in two washers! Lmfao that has to help, try 3 when 2 don't work jay! Lol
It's just to prevent it from going too far down and pinching the PCB on the other side.
Exactly.
Please help
I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor
Tried everything
Ram
The monitor it self
Gpu
Everything is plugged correctly btw
The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well
I got ryzen 5 2600
16gb ddr4 3000
2060 rtx
Psu is 400w
Where is the problem??
"Is a Hammerhead... By Sledgehammer. That's a Napoleon Dynamite reference." Dang, forgot all about that movie.
I bought that electric screwdriver maybe 3-4 years ago after a saw it on a youtube list video of modern tools to buy. I use it all the time, and Lowes carries it, which is where I got mine.
“Nothing on NZXT failed”... quietly doesn’t count the screw that can cause the pc to catch fire
To be fair, he mentions it later at 10:37
@@GothaRsk I mean that is true won't lie just thought it was funny.
plastic washer will do nothing! the screw threads will still make contact with the pcb and case causing a short. glad you took extra care to fix it properly since its in a childs bedroom.
"It's only 12V... You just need a nylon or plastic screw cap"
**12V? Gets hot glue gun!**
*Hiss* *Hiss*
As someone who always uses a normal screwdriver. That electric one looks like its so nice to use with computers.
just using a washer wont help it, if its a multilayer pcb and its grinding against a trace on a different layer with the threading itself
Agreed, was just about to say this. A washer will do nothing if the hole is drilled through a trace on any of the layers.
I think the point of the washer was to lift the screw up, because what caused the grounding was it touching the case when it's closed.
Here 11:05
@@adetyapurba Exactly. With a washer it doesn't touch the case anymore.
@@Republic3D the screw goes Into to a metal bracket, it also has loads of clearance to the case.
Had a cooling issue recently after moving my PC around. Under no load in the BIOS, i was pushing 94°C. Took my headphones off and could hear water or air bubbles being moved around. The pump had an RPM and so did the fans. But hearing those noises was not normal.
The fix: Removed the AIO and radiator. Gave it a good shake and Voilà! I love when its that simple.
That explosion actually scared me lmao
You being the one that built that PC and then seeing it fail due to human error is like the Merovingian seeing Neo bleed.
You’re just a man!
And i love it! ❤️🙌🏻🔥
I feel less bad of my builds now that I know that the build God is not perfect. 👾
God Bless you Jay!
"theres activity up there, its slow, but there's activity up there." -me on college.
I still love how a few years ago, we got so sick of RGB that we wished it would go away, and now when a case doesn't have it, it's like "Come on, really guys?"
I've been enjoying the more casual style of these daily videos. I know it would be a ton of work to keep uploading daily, but I'd like to see more stuff in a similar style in the future. ^-^
I love these videos where he fix stuff, wheter it's graphics card or a whole computer is just amazing
That explosion caught me off guard tbh
What's really good about Jay's two cents is when Jay ignores the banter (news) and just sticks to the knitting. mb
How is the scew isolated, if its still threading in to the chassi and that thread also hitting the pcb?
Thought you said that the screws "bite in to the pcb" aka hitting the leads inside the pcb. So isolating it with washers shouldnt fix it really.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
you can get plastic isolating screws
I think in this situation, it's the head of the screw that's digging into the surface of the PCB, not the threads. So a washer would isolate just fine
Had the same thought, and Steve/Patrick (Gamer's Nexus) just proved it. Nylon Washers won't do shit. And by actually removing and putting the screw back in Jay might have increased the chances of the screw thread contacting the trace in PCB.
@@KnightlySpartan yep the washer thickness means a different part of the thread is now in the area that causes the fire. Jay might have inadvertently caused a fire hazard.
The fan you used is has a HYDRAULIC bearing, not a magnetic levitation. You should have put an ML series fan, they use magnetic levitation bearings, they are from corsair and they have really good static pressure. I have two of them on a rad too and i am really happy with them.
is Christmas eve for the real one will be tomorrow, i remember this pc was a such good build
I would pull that pcie riser out and check were those 12 volt traces go on the riser pcb Jay, if they are near those screw holes the threads on the screw could catch the side of them and putting plastic washers on the top makes no different whats so ever!, After watching steve's video of him adjusting that screw and it starting fire I wouldn't take the risk by doing what you have done because you could still have a connection between the screw thread and the pcb then down threw ground to the chassis, how many amps does your 12v rail in your psu have????, it's the current that makes every thing hot then it catches fire, I work as a electronics repair tech every day, stay safe and replace that riser cable...........:-).....It's like putting alot of current across a metal rod and watching it glow cherry red, be careful..............
He knows now
No link to the tools, Amazon link just goes to the home page for amazon.
Same here.
Same here
www.amazon.com/HAMMERHEAD-HCSD040-02-Rechargeable-Screwdriver-Technology/dp/B01N0YV423/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=electric+screwdriver+Hammerhead&qid=1608842936&sr=8-2
@@ashakir85 "Cheapest electric screwdriver"
Please help
I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor
Tried everything
Ram
The monitor it self
Gpu
Everything is plugged correctly btw
The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well
I got ryzen 5 2600
16gb ddr4 3000
2060 rtx
Psu is 400w
Where is the problem??
Hi all, just wanted to take a minute to wish you a very merry Christmas and a happy year, most of all good health! These days people don't spend much time or thought on some personal words to their friends and family, they just copy and paste some random message and send it on. So after all we've been though together this year I want to thank you for your friendship and wish you a happy and fulfilling 2018 - you’re the best gymnastics group anyone could ask for. Best wishes, Helen
Everyone: celebrating christmas
Jaytwocents: Fixing some PC
i smiled at the explosion when you took off the plastic... and i think this is one of the small few videos ive ever liked in my years of youtube XD
Just popped in to say "shuting", that is all...
Ok. Merry Christmas 🎄🎁
Oh beat me to it haha
🌶️
Please help
I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor
Tried everything
Ram
The monitor it self
Gpu
Everything is plugged correctly btw
The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well
The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on
I got ryzen 5 2600
16gb ddr4 3000
2060 rtx
Psu is 400w
Where is the problem??
i thought Britec's comment was just that Jay-Z slapped on a new fan and called it a day. But I learned something today about fan bearings and fan orientation. Totally worth the view plus it was entertaining!
Thank you for the daily videos Jay (and Phil)! Made the month fly by! Merry Christmas and a happy holidays to you and your families.
Watching you reminds me of one of my favorite TV series - House. You are now my favorite Dr. PC who know how diagnose PC problem and fix it. so don't lose the funny side of your every video. Cheers.
I love your videos man, you're always so informative, funny and you keep me entertained. I recently built my first pc and your videos helped me along the way. Not to mention, your personality is great too. Keep up the good work!
I'm glad you did this follow up in the purple NZXT, it was reccomended to me by youtube after watching GN 3 or 4 th video about the screw.
i dont know i like big towers better.
Hope Everyone has a happy holidays during these tough times. Take care 🎉🎊
Good bot
@@literallybatman9554 bot no like that
@@superiorcactus oop
Thank you Jay I had no idea about the issue with the case and only knew to get it sorted because of this video. Thanks!
I wanna see Jay react to the KFC Console. Merry Christmas.
me too. I think its actually pretty cool for a gimmick.
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I was not aware that 'the colonel' was in computers..
is that actually a real thing? wooow lol
Nah he's too chicken.
it may sound crasy but i did it and my pc worked: since there is in some cases planty of room in the backside ( as to cable management further down some tips which may work for you ) i took the cooler of an old cpu unit and made it to have the needed plug and then i linked it to the backfan so that both runned in the same speed. Man i tell you that pc was like a grand turino with rocketboosters on it haha. as for those who say that could cause " condesattion " that is not the case at all : you cut so much out of your case that you can use an old mesh , or , you make a cardboard template and then draw the inner dimensions to our case and then you make tiny holes with a drill ( that side has to be deteched from your pc !!! ) or, you make slits in it and cover those with a dustfilter. Mine allready had one side with such mesh and i ended up literaly turn it around and was luck to find it be in the very place i needed it ( even though a litle biger then needed ). i atached right there the fan. not even a bit of condensation....
now to cable management : there is this sort of cardboard pieaces which are bend in the shape of an L from the frontside. and those are avaleble in all sizes. now you take two of them and combine them so that you get a U with sharp corners. you glue this to the case behind the side " door " where you need it , and atach throughout inside the U shape Velcro and the negative part of the Velcro with a part of the positive one around the cables you want to manage. after you are done with them you simply place them insode those lnes = make sure the cardborard chanels are in the right size ( Low Profile ) in some cases you dont even need to bay any : go to the next store and grab some for they do anyway end up in the trash !
i would suggest after you made out of those your chanels that you use wood glue thinned with water so that it allmost has the consistence of milk and brush them many times with it and let it dry befor using and then a kote of transparent coat ( of corse before you put any velcro inthere ). now either you glue that on place or use litle screws but this would require drilling and your good to go. use allways the shortest way for the cables so that they are ot under any sort of streching or pulling and :
forms :
the best one is the quader or even two if you have to manage two different sets of cables with also two different lengths: for making those you will need to cut exact angles so that you can glue these together and in those come your cables...you can even code those like : fancables , or usb, or drivers and so on and forth.
my next pc i am gonna build will have these things and where it not for the accident i had which caused a short circuit on the motherboard , that pc would still run good. but i have now all its fans so the next pc will be like a grand turino with impulse drive.
Bread
Exactly, useless fix
I was thinking the backside of the screw was contacting the case where it shouldn't have and the washer prevented it from sticking out so far?
@@Wingedshadowwolf i think you're right, would make sense.
Thanks for addressing the question about the screwdriver. I ended up finding it on Amazon after your past video. I know its a cheap one but I like the way it twists near the top to activate it. Couldn't find another one around that did that. Lol. Thanks Jay
"I'm not gonna take it out... What I am gonna do is take the screw out and add a plastic washer in there. Then there's no chance of it grounding at that point."
Counterpoint: if the screw is metal, then the threads are metal. Your washer won't do anything. I might recommend adding Lock-tite, to cut the other connection.
I think he's just using it to add space between the screw and the chassis so it doesn't have a chance to touch it at all.
Maybe I got GN's problem identification all wrong, but I think the problem was that the PCB screw hole wears down due to the metal screw scraping and cutting into it, causing the screw to bite into a 12 Volt layer inside the PCB and then short through the case (which Jay pointed out). The Nylon washer does absolutely nothing to prevent this, while taking the screw out and refastening is actually creating more wear and increases the chance of the problem to arise. As a temporary fix I can understand the use of nylon Tie-Raps, nylon screws (The suggested "fix" by NZXT), but not refastening it with the same metal screw and a nylon washer. The trick is to prevent a short through the use of electrical isolators rather then electrical conductors.
“Cant see the rgb anyways” *uses expensive rgb fan and disables rgb instead of just using non-rgb fan*
@@thedamntrain5481You got them! I don't see their comment
@@thedamntrain5481 good job bro
@@thedamntrain5481 wow Report actually works one time
@@thedamntrain5481 epic
@@thedamntrain5481 What happened? Looks like he removed his post.
Uh, just adding a plastic washer won't stop it from shorting to ground because metal threads. A better solution would be to just add electrical tape on top of the screw head. And the electrical tape would still has the possibility of wearing through and shorting out. (edit to add) Watching it a second time, there shouldn't be any power traces in the section of PCB around the mounting hole. There is no reason for a trace to loop into the tab where the PCB mounting hole is located.
I was just reminded of something I heard and engineer say once. "It fit in Solid Works"
Also, had a engineering graphics/drafting professor (also and Engineer) say one time "that's not your problem, that's the technician's problem" when a classmate brought up the fact that there wasn't a way to access for repair the thing we were drawing on the computer.
wow never been this early! merry christmas everyone, be kind to urselves!
no u
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Please help
I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor
Tried everything
Ram
The monitor it self
Gpu
Everything is plugged correctly btw
The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well
The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on
I got ryzen 5 2600
16gb ddr4 3000
2060 rtx
Psu is 400w
Where is the problem??
I bought one of those same Hammerhead drivers a few years ago because it is also short enough to travel with in your carry on bag. Make sure to take any bits out first.
Please help
I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor
Tried everything
Ram
The monitor it self
Gpu
Everything is plugged correctly btw
The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well
The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on
I got ryzen 5 2600
16gb ddr4 3000
2060 rtx
Psu is 400w
Where is the problem??
"Shuting down" huh? 🤣
Hey Yui.
Please help
I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor
Tried everything
Ram
The monitor it self
Gpu
Everything is plugged correctly btw
The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well
The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on
I got ryzen 5 2600
16gb ddr4 3000
2060 rtx
Psu is 400w
Where is the problem??
@JayzTwoCents pretty sure them washers are not going to prevent the pci issue. The problem was the 12v line makes contact with the threads of the screw, not the head of the screw.
Hey Jay,
I do have some problems with thermals of my RTX 3070 Strix. When mounted vertical (I/O to the top!) my temps are at TJ-max (80°C) and the fans are spinning quite fast. When I lay my case to the side, so the MB is flat the temps go down to ~60°C.
As a note, you got your bearings backwards here. Fluid bearings are fine in any orientation; Sleeve and rifle bearings are the ones that don't like vertical mounting. They also dislike heat, which might be a complicating factor in your application here.
The Metallic Gear Skiron fan you pulled out uses a rifle bearing.
@Jayztwocents Jay you need to watch Gamers nexus Video on NZXT H1 Case the washers won’t fix the fire issue.
Freaking Phil.... I was lazily watching the video with headphones on, half asleep rom the turkey and way too big of a meal. All of a sudden there's and explosion and I was wide awake...Damn near jumped out of my chair. The entire family including me got a good laugh out of it. Merry Christmas
8:19 isnt that an LL140 which are hydrodynamic bearings?
That's what I said. Had to rewind the video to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
@@parkerthomas3803 oh well, guess we're gonna get a 2nd video of him wondering why the pc overheats *again* xD
The cheapest electric screwdriver on amazon. Nice one, often the cheap things do just as well. I actually use the cheapest fiber enforced discs for my dremel, 25 for $3 or so, they are good enough for cutting side panels and stuff. Same for the screws, don't haven an iFixit kit, but the one from the local grocery store, it's doing the job.
1:10 shots fired
Please help
I built my pc and it starts but I get no signals on my monitor
Tried everything
Ram
The monitor it self
Gpu
Everything is plugged correctly btw
The fans spin and lights are on but there's no lights and my keyboard and mouse don't get lights as well
The pc stays on for few min and turns off automatically than it turns back on
I got ryzen 5 2600
16gb ddr4 3000
2060 rtx
Psu is 400w
Where is the problem??
Just finished up a new build in a Corsair 4000X with their riser card, and had to use a couple of metal washers to space the riser adapter up a little. Glad I saw this because now I'm going to get a few nylon washers to protect the riser, and add the necessary spacing as the GPU (when installed) doesn't quite sit in the slot all of the way. Merry Christmas to you and yours', Jay!
Loving the "31 Days of Techmas"!
it's a pretty shitty product if it fails when not in optimal orientation.
Always inspect the physical condition of the product in question first before going into the software settings. Simplicity is efficiency. Start with the most basic.
Jay please give me a link for that screwdriver......ok i made it to that part of the video...Its 100$ on amzon now sigh
wELL YEAH recommandid by youtubers this shit always happends.. Sky rocket demand.
Nice, I just watched this video on my own H1, except I'm running a 2700/2070 combo. Good job on the build, and the fix; I'll have to go back and look for the other videos on this build.