Troubleshooting Steps, for those wanting timestamps: Intro to issue: 2:06 Tip for Mobo w/o power button: 2:46 Clear CMOS: 3:41 1 Ram Stick Strategy: 6:42 Different GPU: 7:31 Different CPU: 8:16 Crossroads with Jay: 13:34 It’s a bad CPU: 15:10 I know this is an old vid but it helps!
basically any one of these could be answered finding out while changing out parts? Or just bad cpu? I was meaning change cpu to be able to get bios and update to be able to hand new gen cpu?
I would like to point out that even modern motherboards still allow for a speaker to be attached to the motherboard so you can hear the beep codes and get out your beep code bible to determine what is wrong with the computer without needing to swap parts. That's been a thing for over two decades now. Highly recommend you show case that in the future since they don't really ever include the speakers, but the header IS on the board!
My ASRock X399 Taichi and my MSI Carbon PRO AC B450 both had beepers included. And yes, they are...well in the computer cases, just taped down in case something happens and I need them.
I have several of the old tiny headphone style speakers around used on the old cases for the post beep. I like to add them in just to be able to hear the post beep or error beeps. All my boards have the led for error codes or proper boot up happiness now but hearing the beep as it comes up saves time, when I don't hear it I know time to start troubleshooting.
Yup I have an old speaker in my toolkit for this reason. Some times simple things give you an idea what is going on. Also clean the contacts on RAM with an eraser and well as blowing out the RAM slots with compressed air. Helpful if the motherboard has been sitting around accumalating dust.
I also consider it a good troubleshooting step to take out all the ram, install the speaker and turn it on. At this point it's highly probable that if it's at least somewhat working it would beep about the ram not being there. Reading the manual for ram configurations also helps, for example I had this old 775/DDR2 intel board that, if you only had one stick, you had to install it in a particular slot for it to post
My first cpu I installed was a Phenom II something. I bent half the pins. I spent a few hours bending every single one back straight and luckily it still worked after that. Lesson learned
Very good. Did you use a slot cover or tile blade as straight edge? Also, did you know pins can be replaced? I've had someone give me an AMD CPU costing ~800 USD, for free. All b/c of one broken pin on bottom row. Requires very low-temp solder paste, and harvested pin(s) from dead CPU.
Hearing Jay talking about hardware that's well under 10 years old as 'super old hardware' really highlights how fast things move in the computer hardware industry. I'm a system builder and just built myself my first entire new PC in 5 years, based on Ryzen, and it's scary how much faster it is than the £4000 machine I splurged on in 2016 and then incrementally upgraded a couple of times since.
Same. Not only are beep codes great, but there's just something warm and fuzzy about that single "all good" beep when powering on a working computer. Had a co-worker bring in a new computer he had just built that he couldn't get to work because there was no video signal. The proper IT guy wasn't in yet, but he showed me because I'm pretty good with computers too. He had the speaker, so I had him plug it in so we could get the beep code. Was just the single "all good" beep. So then I looked at the back of the computer - the problem was he had the video cable connected to the motherboard instead of the graphics card.
That's very solid advice! Now I wonder if my B550 Aorus Elite AX V2 supports a speaker connection for this purpose. And if I can get one around here. Last time I couldn't even find a regular fan splitter nor decent thermal paste.
"You kids today with your fancy diagnostic leds and QR codes. Back in my day we had to troubleshoot an ISA RAID controller with about 60 dip switches on it while walking uphill in the snow. We didn't have no fancy interweb popinjay videos to run to and we LIKED it!"
...or that great times you had to properly configure the hard drive's tracks, sectors and cylinders in the BIOS, because back then, the hard drives they didn't had their own controller; you had to have one in the PC as an expansion card... yeah... great times...
Lol. Had to code a modem driver so it would detect ring. That and physically solder RAM over the top of other RAM, bend up a pin and jumper it over each chip to get a whopping 128k. I'm not sad the old days are gone, but the people back then were far more skilled or just crazier than they are now! Probably the latter...
Personal Recommendation: After clearing CMOS and changing ram to 1 stick. Make sure to remove ALL USB DEVICES FROM BEING CONNECTED, THEN BOOT. USB devices can do some weird things to some motherboards.
Can confirm this, for what ever reason my windows 10 USB stick was killing my PC on first assembly, tried so many things to make the bastard boot. Nothing worked. Removed the windows usb and it came alive no issues.. Ghosts in the machine i tell you!
@@Razzlion Never heard that one but can well believe it . Not related but I remember I had an expensive mouse on my S939 machine years ago. I didn’t know why, but I had to disconnect it after use. Every time the boot up wouldn’t happen with the mouse connected. Figured it was the USB port having a short out or something until the full boot process had finished. Really I should have investigated, but just plugging in as the last was no biggie.
its because not all usb devices adhere to standard. they should, but they clearly do not. and some mobo makers bios iterations just suck at usb handling. take your pick, i've seen both. my poweredge server is one of the latter, but i've got plenty of cheap usb devices that cause problems. one is clearly the usb item as plugging it in after initial post but before the post finishes makes everything slow down to a glacial crawl (3+ hours to do a memtest that finishes normally in ~2s)
Also swap that single ram stick once just to make sure you didn't pick "the one bad stick" that was preventing your boot. There's no reason to go through all 4, but give 2 a shot.
Depend on what you was doing before could be worth check all slot with all the sticks. To give an exaple recently i have put liquid metal on my cpu and when i turn it on my computer would not post, after some try i found all my stick of ram are good but only the 4th slot on the motherboard work, so i removed the cpu thinking i had screw up it badly but i notice a little tiny drop of termal paste on 1 pin of the motherboard (no idea how the termal paste got there) after cleaning Ta daaan! all work fine :)
My son has almost the exact same set up as this, it's my old one after I upgraded to Ryzen. He games on it and just accepts he can only do low settings. He's so happy he even has a 'gaming' pc he's not bothered by low settings. He's 13 next week and he said he's going to use his birthday money to buy some new parts. Think I'm just as excited as he is, as we get to build his first pc together! (I built the one he has now).
Ahh! Lovely... I'm in a similar situation, now that my 17 yr old grandson has decided to build his own PC. It's a great but infuriating situation. Especially when you get down to... no-post. It's either the mobo or cpu... and you haven't got either, as a spare. That's when Amazon and eBay start invoking Einstein, and slow the time down. It's like you're orbiting a super-massive black-hole and you don't know if you're inside or outside of the event horizon. All you can see is the pain and suffering, on your poor relatives' face as time stands still.
Always measure the voltage of the cmos battery or replace it all together without hesitation on older systems. Seen multiple boards over the years that did not post with an empty/removed battery.
Yes, if the board has been stored for years the BIOS battery is likely drained and may have corrupted the saved settings. Replace the battery and clear CMOS before tearing everything apart. Also, only connect a USB 2.0 mouse and keyboard if possible. Some old USB 2.0 controllers don't play well with modern USB 3 devices.
Awesome Hardware (the guy who does all the 3D printed fan reviews/competitions) literally just had the same problem with his daily driver system. He even was ready to pull the board and CPU and replace them with other parts he had sitting unused (10900k and matching board), but turns out it was just a dead battery and replacing it fixed the whole rig, so he did water loop maintenance instead to fill video content out for the video. I actually posted up to him telling him he should redo the cleaning using jay's methods he just posted a week or 2 ago
You know what is really terrifying? When it's 6 am, you have to deliver your "digital logic" project and you just finished building it and you are going to turn in on. first, you hope it doesn't burn, second, you hope it works and last but not least it works when you arrive to the lab... so yeah, building a PC is not much of a deal... LOL
@@shouldent building a gaming PC is fun, but also nerve racking lol. It’s nerve racking for installing my $900 3070, because if I brake my 3070 it’s over 😳. It was really hard getting my 3070.
@@shouldent ok so get this... I make money with my pc. And time is money so, I agree it's nothing to build a PC, that's why I run a ETH farm but you clearly missed the point... There is nothing more enfuriating than a failure to post, ain't nobody got time for that. I don't really care what you THINK is a complicated task, I just have crap to do and that was my point.
The hard drive activity light has saved me so much time in troubleshooting boot issues. If the drive light is flashing sporadically (loading the OS) then you know it has to do with video, if the drive light stays solid or never comes on then it’s most likely a RAM or CPU issue. Hope this helps someone. Keep up the amazing content!
Replacing the cooler on my cpu was one of the scariest things I've ever done with a computer, because I thought I was going to mess up the processor. That said, getting it off was so satisfying.
When working with old electronics that have been sitting for long periods I always take a look at ALL the socketed chips like bios or other EEproms. I worked on payphones back in the 90's and one of the common issues we had when these boards were subject to heat and cold and moisture constantly was socketed chips corroding in the sockets. One of the quick field tests I had our techs do like on the shore areas where salt water was a thing would be to take a flat head screwdriver and slightly raise the chip in the socket (not to be confused with removing it) and press it back in doing this process on both ends of the chips a few times. 9 times out of 10 the boards would come back to life. Even though the company paid extra to have the boards conformal coated this still occurred frequently as the minor expansion and contraction of the parts and sockets would break the bond of the coating in a short time span.
I once had a pc that wouldn't boot, turns out the bios chip was socketed and it fell out (it was right under a chunky graphics card so when removing or inserting it, it knocked the chip. Pc booted first time after that!
My ADHD out of the nutshell (a breakdown for those without it): bsod on one screen, but the tv and keurig just came on instead. Smoke detector goes off, but it's lying so pull the batteries. Flip several channels while comp reboots. Drink the coffee. Note how many open tabs I have on open browser and wonder "When did I open that one? Have I had my meds today? What day is it? What is the cat throwing up now? I should do laundry. Wait, *where* did the cat throw up? Have I eaten today? When did I finish my coffee? I need more coffee. I should see if I took my meds. *starts coffee* That cat puke is going to stain. *puts down coffee filter to soak it up* Looks at tabs. Remembers coffee (because even Keurig isn't faster than ADHD). Drinks now-cold coffee. I should eat, it's 4pm (been up since 5am). Drinks more coffee. Yes, this is a mixed bag of reality and brain, because ADHD.
@@TrineDaely Can totally relate. I tried to fry potatoes, fill a bucket of water and change clothes at the same time yesterday. Ended in burned potatoes and the bathroom floor under water. Fortunately I didn't stain or destroy the clothes.
Not quite that old here, but I do remember overclocking an Athlon XP 1400+ by drawing on it with a pencil. Still got that chip around here somewhere. Had it up to about 1.6 GHz from 1.2, had an air-cooler on it that sounded like a jet engine 100% of the time, wasn't entirely stable in the summer because of the heat, but it was my first time overclocking. Intel's Pentium 4 line had me surprised at how 'easy' overclocking was. Just crank up the FSB and call it good.
@@DakalaShade I was about to mention the same thing. Those were the days. Although I had computers with the jumpers to set timings. The pencil unlock was my favorite hack of all CPUs though.
This was a fun one. Remember when you had to set IDE cable configurations, like one drive was master and one was slave? I frequently encountered not posting because of screwed up IDE configs. Those were the days. The days I'm really glad are gone. Seriously, screw IDE; those things sucked.
I have an old IDE drive that I just recently managed to pull data from (didn't have the parts necessary to hook it up until now), and the USB-to-IDE interface that I used on this thing was just awful. It would get stuck doing nothing for about a minute, then begin reading for maybe 30 seconds, and then stall again. Decided to copy the data I needed off the drive and then sort through it, so I didn't have to wait for whatever the hell the issue was. Didn't seem to be failing in any way either.
I remember when you had to configure motherboard jumpers in order to set the Bus Frequency and CPU Multiplier. That is also how you overclocked CPUs back then. Only issue is that there were NO protections so it was quite easy to blow components if things didn't jive.
@@Twinrehz It can be since you really don't know if something is going to go pop and release that nice magic smoke. I've had it happen a couple of times but thankfully the motherboards were $10 garage sale items so it really didn't matter.
I love these types of videos! Takes me back to 2000-02 when I worked in a PC shop. The culprit was almost always the dirt-cheap ECS motherboards we sold.
I could only imagine what the tech world was like and those in it back then. I was alive, but not conscious. I learned about Y2K and found the matrix… could only imagine what the creative minds thought. Haha
Really appreciate this video. Been chasing this exact set of symptoms too. Went from random shutdowns to not booting and followed me to a new motherboard.
Had a old Phemon II board that didn't want to post, this thing hadn't been used in years. Tried swapping out parts, still no joy...... ended up being the CMOS battery was totally dead, changed it out and the system came to life! :)
Thank you for this comment, I am still running my Phenom II x4 PC and it runs fine, but maybe the CMOS battery needs to be changed soon, I don't remember if I ever changed it since I got that prebuilt like 10 years ago.
@@phydeux guess it was easy enough for me to miss it, so some others could’ve too. It would be the first thing you want to check though and you might also want to double check the monitor and the the hdmi ports condition on the gpu itself but I’m sure most people would know if their gpu is good.
Talks about current systems being taken for granted - remembers his old FX system STILL has a POST onboard speaker hooked to the motherboard. Yup, I remember troubleshooting by sound. Shit sucked! Hell I still remember flooding an old Windows 95 system with too many devices and having to manually assign IRQs. And I'm not that old. (Will be 31 on Halloween.) I just learned computers from my grandfather as he is a TRUE tech hoarder. Man has systems that would probably be worth a cool mint. (Pristine commodore 64, Amgia, 286, 486, Atari 2600, etc. But I'm not allowed to raid his stash till he passes. Hell he still has a mint condition OG Xbox AND Game gear, Sega Genesis, SNES. You name it, he has it.
Just finished building my first rig, thought I had a dud motherboard. It was a Gigabyte B550. Thought for sure it was dead and in the end it was power switch swapped with power led. Looked like a short because I had one quick board led flash and then absolutely nothing else. Set it up on some cardboard and of course I only had my 24 pin and 8 pin wires in - so it was never gonna work anyway. I think I was just in this video where you were mentioning bridging the power button and "something's happening somewhere it's just not fully happening everywhere" and the lightbulb went off. Thanks for doing what you do JayZ.
Dead RAM slots (or DIMMs): pull all but one RAM stick and try it in each slot of the motherboard. If that fails, swap out a different RAM stick. Keep going until you're confident that the motherboard is dead, or you find a fault in one slot or stick.
You'll get caught up in the crossfire, crossfire...CROSSFIIIIREE! lmao. Love it. Great video. I've recently gotten back into computers since my last desktop ran windows 98, followed by xp. So you can see I've been out of the game for awhile. I've learned so much from your channel. Thank you for what you do.
One thing I need to mention about the old AMD coolers: When you locked in that mounting lever on the socket, it would actually cause the motherboard to flex and move a little bit. So much so that I ruined several sets of ram chips by mounting the cooler after installing the ram. End result? The ram would often not work until I'd spent ages fiddling around with removing and reinstalling the ram into the slots, crying, praying, cursing, and a whole lot of grief. If it has one of those old fashioned lever mount systems, be very careful about how much it causes flexing on the mobo. With such coolers, I always install the ram AFTER installing the cpu and cooler. Also remove ram before removing the cooler.
That's not a bad tactic. And something I never thought about. I don't quite see how it could flex that much to cause damage to the RAM contacts, but it only takes a second to pop them out and pop them back in. Why not! 👍
@@terrapinflyer273 To be honest, this is more of a reflex to using those old coolers about two decades ago, so it might not be as necessary these days. They used to exert a LOT of force on a mobo, it was scary.
A much easier solution, especially for older boards that don't have LCD POST diagnostics is to get a PCIe/LPC POST test card. You put it in either the PCIe or LPC/TPM slot (not all boards will debug over PCIe) and it spits out a code for where the issue is. And they cover a wide range of boards and configurations. For ~ $30 it's a lot better than begging parts or paying a tech to part-swap with their stuff.
Man, you are a life saver!!!! Jumping the CMOS was the remedy to my never ending nightmare of troubleshooting. Thanks again for posting this video!!! Best of luck to you and your team!!!
@@foulplay99 You can purchase speaker separately from a case. It costs around $5. I put one in my system that I built where I had an issue. Found out one of my sticks of RAM was defective. The beeping code made it easier to figure out what components was an issue very quickly. I wish that case came with a speaker for older boards or when boards does not have digital display. But I understand what you're saying. 🙂
The BIOS issue has saved me a fortune when buying CPUs for my PCs. I buy "defective" CPUs on eBay for cheap and 75% of the time it's just a newer BIOS is needed to run it. Got a 7700K for €20 last week because of this exact issue!
You should do more these videos, where you use older parts. You could also try something like i5-2500K and i7-2600K and show how well they do on newer games when paired with newish GPU and descent memory from that same era. 🙂
Own a 2500k and it will do for 1080p, 70-90fps with a capable GPU. Use that with a grain of salt with new new game though. I would say all low for them
@@coolszewski1631 You are very much in the right on this matter. The 2500K has only 4 cores and has no Hyper threading though. So in theory those games that utilizes more than 4 cores, the i5-2500K might not be the best CPU. If you want you can subscribe to my channel, I have “specialized” content regarding older hardware used on modern games. 🙂
Great video of getting back to the basics of PC troubleshooting and repair! Essentially went through the same process after I helped my niece build her first PC. Turns out she plugged the PWR cables in backwards and the PC wouldn't turn on from the front switch. Jumpered the pins and it came alive and POSTed. Then I had to go into the UEFI and make some changes to get the MSI Prime MoBo to boot into Windows from the USB stick. Along with basic hand tools and some spare parts (in a perfect world) I strongly recommend having a spare computer or laptop on hand to assist with troubleshooting!
Jay, you covered what I would normally start with, but I would add a couple more steps just to cover all the bases. I'd try other ports on the video card - it's possible that the GPU is trying to output to the DVI port, and I'd try the other PCIe slot.
Plug a piezo speaker into the speaker pins on the MB and find any codes. Also, try swapping the RAM sticks, and be sure to disconnect anything that is not absolutely needed to boot. Not having onboard graphics makes things a little more complicated.
THANK YOU, Jay! I couldn’t get any video output when trying to boot an Asus B550 Prime WiFi II with a 5700X3D CPU. Luckily, I had another PC with a 5800X, so I swapped that into the problematic motherboard. That allowed me to get video and access the BIOS, where I was able to update the Asus firmware. After the update, I swapped back to the 5700X3D, and it finally worked! Your advice on troubleshooting by isolating components and using trial and error was a lifesaver. Thanks again!
The FX 8 and 9 series CPUs actually do pretty decently for applications like Unraid as well! Don't get me wrong, there are better options of course, but it works pretty decently overall
I would go so far as recommending AM2+ socket for people that enjoy retro games. Or even some more recent titles! For the right price of course, or if they have the mobo already. My AM2+ board has a 95W CPU limitation. And limited to 2x2GB DDR2-800 (or -1066). Even with that, upgraded to a Phenom II X4 955 (95W, NON-BE) and a Radeon R7 250 2GB GDDR3 (OEM) for around $40 and can play Hollow Knight, Mass Effect 2, Just Cause 2, Batman Arkham City, and lots of others from 360/PS3 era.
Just completed my first ever PC build and encountered an issue where I couldn't get any display signal. Tried everything including flashing the BIOS but what seemed to do it was clearing the CMOS. Thanks JTC! This video saved me a whole lot of fustration
Either way removed power from the CMOS flushing it. Shorting out with the pins is usually faster though. The fact that Jay is doing both shows that he doesn't understand how it works.
was running an fx 8350 for 3 years, 3 years ago. Upgraded to ryzen 2600 and i saw a major improvement with a 1060. No i have a 5600x with a 2070 super. Great times.
@@incediumignis yep, it'll be amazing. I do specific hard projects like renders, modelling, and video/photo/sound work. I did all that on a really bad machine. I'd love to have a good one.
Thank GOD that you did the commercials first. Now we can get to the main meal. Kind of like when you take your car back to the dealer because something doesn't work. A mechanic, I meant to say, service tech takes your car into the service bay. An hour later, he returns to the service office. "Mister, your car needs the following parts replaced. Hope your car is still under warranty." The reason the motherboard is warped is simple. Someone, not you, spilled some liquid on it and decided to use a hairdryer to dry it. Just loved reading Rita's comments! There sure isn't any problems with her. Maybe she will consider a new aviator photo where we see her front.
When you know that getting more people to comment below will feed the algorithm, but you didn't think through what to have people comment about. @17:27 That's OK, Jay. We love you. Feeding the algorithm for you, it's hungry beast. :)
This is so funny. I am running this exact same board, with Corsair Vengeance RAM and the FX 8320e @4.4ghz. It's still running strong as ever. I definetly have to upgrade but It's not easy these days. But I can still play every game I want perfectly fine so I am happy.
I just did the "tear out the CPU with the cooler" on my Ryzen 5 2600. I changed the stock cooler with the Wraith RGB cooler. And it didn't go well. Bent 2 pins on the CPU and now I always get random crashes and odd system behaviour that is very random and sporadic. It was a brain fart moment where I immediately knew I did it wrong but it was too late. Always give a twist first before pulling on the cooler. It was still under the instore warrenty period by about 3 months, but I didn't exchange it. I knew better but still did it and it was my fault. A smally, greedy part of me wishes I had exchanged it.
@@Mark-xk3hh The pins have been bent back to position without breaking any but the crashes and odd system behavior is still a problem for me. Incidentally if I don't shut the computer down and let it cool the crashes are far less frequent. I've been running for over 24 hours now without a crash.
So a video with a FX 6100. I'm excited. I've been using one since 2012. Wanted to upgrade but with the whole shortages and overpricing I decided to wait till 2023. In the meantime I will dedicate my time to learning programming.
To show you how old this motherboard is, this is a PCI slot. Show me an ISA slot and I'm truly impressed! Back in my day we even had to overclock with jumpers and needed to be a real nerd in order to retain more the 572kb of free memory so you could play modern games like lemmings. I couldn't play Wolfenstein for a year because I didn't had 4MB (yes MEGA), but only 2...
Thank you so much for this, had a problem with mine after plugging in a dicey USB drive, had multiple bluescreens and eventually nothing being displayed no bios no familiar windows logo nothing. Used the clear CMOS you mentioned and could finally get into the advanced settings to do a windows restore. 😅
Another step I’ve worked through is actually moving the RAM stick across channels/slots. I had a board or two only work in single channel mode but with 2 sticks. The most infuriating troubleshooting I’ve had is where adding 1 specific screw would keep the system from working, so strange.
true. i actually had a friend who was ripping his hair out over it and called me. told him to try 1 stick in the 2nd slot and that did the trick. i've even seen some boards not post because of people zip tying their cables too tight 🤣
One thing I picked up regarding post/boot issues or black screens is making sure all the drivers or BIOS updates are done if possible, then checking the PSU voltages, especially if there are no crash logs or events. It doesn't happen often, but more than once it turned out that the PSU someone had may have been "enough" in watts but overall efficiency especially regarding 12v rail and modern GPUS just couldn't deliver enough amps causing hard shutdowns or black screens. Another great tip is to always read the driver patch notes. Too many times I thought my computer was dying and it turned out to just be a well documented bug.
I've got an old i7-920 that I was using upto a couple of years ago. Damn good cpu. So using older stuff dosen't always mean it'll be bad especially in this climate
Yeah I still have an i7 920 sitting around. They were great. I imagine it would be fine for someone with no computer but I imagine my lga1366 board is dead.
Too funny...as you were describing the basics to make it POST, I was thinking of how Vice Grip Garage says (paraphrasing) how he can make any engine run as long as it can rotate (normal disclaimers). I'm subscribed to that channel and yours!
My wifes computer had a post issue this weekend too. Our VGA LED and Boot LED on our MSI motherboards were lighting up. We cleared the removed the boards battery and cleared the CMOS over night and it booted up the next morning. So far looks like clearing the CMOS fixed her problem. Find it funny that if it didnt boot I was going to look for tip on Jay's page.
I have an user of a Ivybridge system. I don't know those fancy troubleshooting features. I have a tip how to quickly test an Intel board. You need just the board, a PSU, a CPU, a stisk of RAM and a keyboard. You don't even need a screen or heatsink. A low power Pentium CPU gets barely warm during the POST. You can test the board just using a keyboard. If the Num lock and Caps lock LEDs can be switched on and off, the BIOS is running and the board is working.
Thanks Jay I could not remember how to clear a cmos and assumed it was my issue. Searched found your vid searched found my mobo manual found how to clear cleared replaced old battery "If I am taking it out anyhow why not" and it booted had to futs around with bios settings a bit to get it back running correctly. Running unraid off usb drive with like 10 old hd's in it to backup all my youtube footage. Had to switch it from safe boot so it would load unraid again.
Thank you for this! Seriously saved a brand new build for me. It's been 15 years since I built my last PC. I just put together an ASRock A620I with Ryzen 7 8700G, 64GB of RAM. I put in an SF750 but realizing that was probably overkill for power. Haven't picked out a GPU yet. I spent a few hours trying to get it to post yesterday. Ended up being the firmware.
When he said "Old corsair vengeance" I just looked at my pc and said, Its ok buddy, ur doing fine.
Wtf is all this
@@EagleFPV43 im so confused too
@@EagleFPV43 bot...
@@Constantine_04 they are becoming more spammy tho
Said the same to my 8350, it started sweating =P
Troubleshooting Steps, for those wanting timestamps:
Intro to issue: 2:06
Tip for Mobo w/o power button: 2:46
Clear CMOS: 3:41
1 Ram Stick Strategy: 6:42
Different GPU: 7:31
Different CPU: 8:16
Crossroads with Jay: 13:34
It’s a bad CPU: 15:10
I know this is an old vid but it helps!
Helped me! Thanks for that.
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basically any one of these could be answered finding out while changing out parts? Or just bad cpu? I was meaning change cpu to be able to get bios and update to be able to hand new gen cpu?
this video help me
I would like to point out that even modern motherboards still allow for a speaker to be attached to the motherboard so you can hear the beep codes and get out your beep code bible to determine what is wrong with the computer without needing to swap parts. That's been a thing for over two decades now. Highly recommend you show case that in the future since they don't really ever include the speakers, but the header IS on the board!
My ASRock X399 Taichi and my MSI Carbon PRO AC B450 both had beepers included. And yes, they are...well in the computer cases, just taped down in case something happens and I need them.
I have several of the old tiny headphone style speakers around used on the old cases for the post beep. I like to add them in just to be able to hear the post beep or error beeps. All my boards have the led for error codes or proper boot up happiness now but hearing the beep as it comes up saves time, when I don't hear it I know time to start troubleshooting.
Yup I have an old speaker in my toolkit for this reason. Some times simple things give you an idea what is going on. Also clean the contacts on RAM with an eraser and well as blowing out the RAM slots with compressed air. Helpful if the motherboard has been sitting around accumalating dust.
I also consider it a good troubleshooting step to take out all the ram, install the speaker and turn it on. At this point it's highly probable that if it's at least somewhat working it would beep about the ram not being there. Reading the manual for ram configurations also helps, for example I had this old 775/DDR2 intel board that, if you only had one stick, you had to install it in a particular slot for it to post
@@AlexKiraly yup, been there, done that, got the shirt.
My first cpu I installed was a Phenom II something. I bent half the pins. I spent a few hours bending every single one back straight and luckily it still worked after that. Lesson learned
Very good. Did you use a slot cover or tile blade as straight edge? Also, did you know pins can be replaced? I've had someone give me an AMD CPU costing ~800 USD, for free. All b/c of one broken pin on bottom row. Requires very low-temp solder paste, and harvested pin(s) from dead CPU.
That’s nuts haha
Hearing Jay talking about hardware that's well under 10 years old as 'super old hardware' really highlights how fast things move in the computer hardware industry. I'm a system builder and just built myself my first entire new PC in 5 years, based on Ryzen, and it's scary how much faster it is than the £4000 machine I splurged on in 2016 and then incrementally upgraded a couple of times since.
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I still use the speaker to get "BEEP" codes. Helps in situations like this. :-)
Same. Not only are beep codes great, but there's just something warm and fuzzy about that single "all good" beep when powering on a working computer.
Had a co-worker bring in a new computer he had just built that he couldn't get to work because there was no video signal. The proper IT guy wasn't in yet, but he showed me because I'm pretty good with computers too. He had the speaker, so I had him plug it in so we could get the beep code. Was just the single "all good" beep. So then I looked at the back of the computer - the problem was he had the video cable connected to the motherboard instead of the graphics card.
I came here to comment this precisely
I have a few Mobo speakers lying around just for this purpose.
That's very solid advice! Now I wonder if my B550 Aorus Elite AX V2 supports a speaker connection for this purpose. And if I can get one around here. Last time I couldn't even find a regular fan splitter nor decent thermal paste.
Id give more thumbs if I could
"You kids today with your fancy diagnostic leds and QR codes. Back in my day we had to troubleshoot an ISA RAID controller with about 60 dip switches on it while walking uphill in the snow. We didn't have no fancy interweb popinjay videos to run to and we LIKED it!"
...or that great times you had to properly configure the hard drive's tracks, sectors and cylinders in the BIOS, because back then, the hard drives they didn't had their own controller; you had to have one in the PC as an expansion card... yeah... great times...
Dammit, I just gave myself a DoubleSpace flashback. ...I need... I need to go.
Lol. Had to code a modem driver so it would detect ring. That and physically solder RAM over the top of other RAM, bend up a pin and jumper it over each chip to get a whopping 128k. I'm not sad the old days are gone, but the people back then were far more skilled or just crazier than they are now! Probably the latter...
You kids today and your Fancy Computers back in my Day we had to Compute with an Abacus while walking up a 90° Slope in 50 feet of Snow
Ok Boomer.
Personal Recommendation: After clearing CMOS and changing ram to 1 stick. Make sure to remove ALL USB DEVICES FROM BEING CONNECTED, THEN BOOT. USB devices can do some weird things to some motherboards.
Can confirm this, for what ever reason my windows 10 USB stick was killing my PC on first assembly, tried so many things to make the bastard boot. Nothing worked.
Removed the windows usb and it came alive no issues.. Ghosts in the machine i tell you!
Also confirmed here! Remove all USB stuff, boot, then reconnect USB devices after boot.
@@Razzlion Never heard that one but can well believe it . Not related but I remember I had an expensive mouse on my S939 machine years ago. I didn’t know why, but I had to disconnect it after use. Every time the boot up wouldn’t happen with the mouse connected. Figured it was the USB port having a short out or something until the full boot process had finished. Really I should have investigated, but just plugging in as the last was no biggie.
its because not all usb devices adhere to standard. they should, but they clearly do not.
and some mobo makers bios iterations just suck at usb handling.
take your pick, i've seen both. my poweredge server is one of the latter, but i've got plenty of cheap usb devices that cause problems. one is clearly the usb item as plugging it in after initial post but before the post finishes makes everything slow down to a glacial crawl (3+ hours to do a memtest that finishes normally in ~2s)
I think this is more of a universal recommendation lol 😂
Also swap that single ram stick once just to make sure you didn't pick "the one bad stick" that was preventing your boot. There's no reason to go through all 4, but give 2 a shot.
Especially when you don't have spare parts to test stuff out with! Gotta go through EVERYTHING else first!!
Thank you.
Depend on what you was doing before could be worth check all slot with all the sticks. To give an exaple recently i have put liquid metal on my cpu and when i turn it on my computer would not post, after some try i found all my stick of ram are good but only the 4th slot on the motherboard work, so i removed the cpu thinking i had screw up it badly but i notice a little tiny drop of termal paste on 1 pin of the motherboard (no idea how the termal paste got there) after cleaning Ta daaan! all work fine :)
Had the same thought. Also just reseat the CPU once before replacing it.
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My son has almost the exact same set up as this, it's my old one after I upgraded to Ryzen. He games on it and just accepts he can only do low settings. He's so happy he even has a 'gaming' pc he's not bothered by low settings. He's 13 next week and he said he's going to use his birthday money to buy some new parts. Think I'm just as excited as he is, as we get to build his first pc together! (I built the one he has now).
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love that buddy,as a father i might not be able to fulfill my dream as a high end gamer but yes i will make my son his dream gaming setup..
Ahh! Lovely... I'm in a similar situation, now that my 17 yr old grandson has decided to build his own PC. It's a great but infuriating situation. Especially when you get down to... no-post. It's either the mobo or cpu... and you haven't got either, as a spare. That's when Amazon and eBay start invoking Einstein, and slow the time down. It's like you're orbiting a super-massive black-hole and you don't know if you're inside or outside of the event horizon. All you can see is the pain and suffering, on your poor relatives' face as time stands still.
Always measure the voltage of the cmos battery or replace it all together without hesitation on older systems. Seen multiple boards over the years that did not post with an empty/removed battery.
was going to say that... a battery that old, it could be it
And they're so cheap so, really no reason to not grab one and test that among the first things.
yep i fixed lots of pcs like you said new cr3032 battery fixed everything lol
Yes, if the board has been stored for years the BIOS battery is likely drained and may have corrupted the saved settings. Replace the battery and clear CMOS before tearing everything apart. Also, only connect a USB 2.0 mouse and keyboard if possible. Some old USB 2.0 controllers don't play well with modern USB 3 devices.
Awesome Hardware (the guy who does all the 3D printed fan reviews/competitions) literally just had the same problem with his daily driver system. He even was ready to pull the board and CPU and replace them with other parts he had sitting unused (10900k and matching board), but turns out it was just a dead battery and replacing it fixed the whole rig, so he did water loop maintenance instead to fill video content out for the video. I actually posted up to him telling him he should redo the cleaning using jay's methods he just posted a week or 2 ago
My heart always stops and I take a breath like the match scene in Fifth Element every time I press power for the first time on a whole new build.
thumbs up for the fifth element reference. i named my dog leeloo
Same bro same 😅
You know what is really terrifying? When it's 6 am, you have to deliver your "digital logic" project and you just finished building it and you are going to turn in on. first, you hope it doesn't burn, second, you hope it works and last but not least it works when you arrive to the lab... so yeah, building a PC is not much of a deal... LOL
@@shouldent building a gaming PC is fun, but also nerve racking lol. It’s nerve racking for installing my $900 3070, because if I brake my 3070 it’s over 😳. It was really hard getting my 3070.
@@shouldent ok so get this... I make money with my pc. And time is money so, I agree it's nothing to build a PC, that's why I run a ETH farm but you clearly missed the point... There is nothing more enfuriating than a failure to post, ain't nobody got time for that.
I don't really care what you THINK is a complicated task, I just have crap to do and that was my point.
The hard drive activity light has saved me so much time in troubleshooting boot issues. If the drive light is flashing sporadically (loading the OS) then you know it has to do with video, if the drive light stays solid or never comes on then it’s most likely a RAM or CPU issue. Hope this helps someone. Keep up the amazing content!
This is probably the easiest way to diagnose a PC that won't post. I never knew what the light meant but this helped me fix my PC, thank you!
Replacing the cooler on my cpu was one of the scariest things I've ever done with a computer, because I thought I was going to mess up the processor. That said, getting it off was so satisfying.
Ooohh, kinky 😜
I think it fucked mine🤣😢
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i plucked up my ryzen 5 5600x with the cooler 🤣🤣
I love these troubleshooting videos, because they allow people to get a bit of experience without having the hardware to play with.
Jay blew up the cpu again🤣
When working with old electronics that have been sitting for long periods I always take a look at ALL the socketed chips like bios or other EEproms. I worked on payphones back in the 90's and one of the common issues we had when these boards were subject to heat and cold and moisture constantly was socketed chips corroding in the sockets. One of the quick field tests I had our techs do like on the shore areas where salt water was a thing would be to take a flat head screwdriver and slightly raise the chip in the socket (not to be confused with removing it) and press it back in doing this process on both ends of the chips a few times. 9 times out of 10 the boards would come back to life. Even though the company paid extra to have the boards conformal coated this still occurred frequently as the minor expansion and contraction of the parts and sockets would break the bond of the coating in a short time span.
I once had a pc that wouldn't boot, turns out the bios chip was socketed and it fell out (it was right under a chunky graphics card so when removing or inserting it, it knocked the chip. Pc booted first time after that!
jays brain: Something is happening somewhere, it's just not fully happening everywhere.
We need to make some noise, so that he'll make shirts of this! I want one!! Lol
it should be on a t-shirt !!!
I really would buy that shirt.
plug in a bios speaker into the bar speaker head even new motherboards still have this header it can be hard find sometimes
I stuns me that this isnt mentioned more often, its been a feature on home pc's since IBM was top dog XD
First thing I tell everyone with issues. It is the original error code system. I remember building DX4s in the 90s that had these.
Even my R9 5900X, X570Tomahawk & GTX1080Ti build has a Post Beep Speaker 😁
"Something's happening somewhere, it's just not fully happening everywhere" This has to be the quote of the century.
Jay: "You can still find FX systems in the wild"
Me with my FX-4300: "I feel relevant!"
ive got a fx 9590 and all i can say i dont even need heating during winter
@@2slick4u55 It could also be used as a stove.
FX-8350 here.
@@2slick4u55 same with my 6300 🤣
FX 8320e here. Still a decent chip. Most games run fine on it. Most. Seems that Quake Champions have unexplainable stuttering issues.
"Somethings happening somewhere, it's just not fully happening everywhere."
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in a nutshell:)
I got ADHD and can confirm this
My ADHD out of the nutshell (a breakdown for those without it): bsod on one screen, but the tv and keurig just came on instead. Smoke detector goes off, but it's lying so pull the batteries. Flip several channels while comp reboots. Drink the coffee. Note how many open tabs I have on open browser and wonder "When did I open that one? Have I had my meds today? What day is it? What is the cat throwing up now? I should do laundry. Wait, *where* did the cat throw up? Have I eaten today? When did I finish my coffee? I need more coffee. I should see if I took my meds. *starts coffee* That cat puke is going to stain. *puts down coffee filter to soak it up* Looks at tabs. Remembers coffee (because even Keurig isn't faster than ADHD). Drinks now-cold coffee. I should eat, it's 4pm (been up since 5am). Drinks more coffee.
Yes, this is a mixed bag of reality and brain, because ADHD.
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@@TrineDaely that sounded like me when I accidentally ate a spiked cupcake with artificial hemp.
@@TrineDaely Can totally relate. I tried to fry potatoes, fill a bucket of water and change clothes at the same time yesterday. Ended in burned potatoes and the bathroom floor under water. Fortunately I didn't stain or destroy the clothes.
I upgraded from my FX 6300 earlier this year to the glorious Ryzen 7 3700x and it is awesome.
@Aaron Moody I am currently running a 580 and want to get the 6800….will have to sell part of my soul to afford one.
5:31 jay: talking about a clear cmos button being convenient
me: remembering setting fsb and multiplier using jumpers
I remember those days. I remember one board that had a bank of switches build in so you could just flip them in the right combination. Crazy times.
Not quite that old here, but I do remember overclocking an Athlon XP 1400+ by drawing on it with a pencil. Still got that chip around here somewhere. Had it up to about 1.6 GHz from 1.2, had an air-cooler on it that sounded like a jet engine 100% of the time, wasn't entirely stable in the summer because of the heat, but it was my first time overclocking. Intel's Pentium 4 line had me surprised at how 'easy' overclocking was. Just crank up the FSB and call it good.
Don’t forget voltage.
@@DakalaShade I was about to mention the same thing. Those were the days. Although I had computers with the jumpers to set timings. The pencil unlock was my favorite hack of all CPUs though.
On older motherboards, always check all the electrolytic caps for swelling of the tops indicating a dried out cap and decreased capacity.
Dropping a legendary Vice Grip Garage quote! Love that you use car analogies in your videos because I can fully understand it then
I’d rather see more videos like this until pc parts become more available.
There are so many faulty computers that are not booting
you more troubleshooting current and old builds, another channel I watch takes viewers builds and cleans them
This was a fun one. Remember when you had to set IDE cable configurations, like one drive was master and one was slave? I frequently encountered not posting because of screwed up IDE configs. Those were the days. The days I'm really glad are gone. Seriously, screw IDE; those things sucked.
At least near the end they could autoconfig themselves, still, fuck 'em.
I have an old IDE drive that I just recently managed to pull data from (didn't have the parts necessary to hook it up until now), and the USB-to-IDE interface that I used on this thing was just awful. It would get stuck doing nothing for about a minute, then begin reading for maybe 30 seconds, and then stall again. Decided to copy the data I needed off the drive and then sort through it, so I didn't have to wait for whatever the hell the issue was. Didn't seem to be failing in any way either.
I remember when you had to configure motherboard jumpers in order to set the Bus Frequency and CPU Multiplier. That is also how you overclocked CPUs back then. Only issue is that there were NO protections so it was quite easy to blow components if things didn't jive.
@@chuckthetekkie Sounds like expensive excitement!
@@Twinrehz It can be since you really don't know if something is going to go pop and release that nice magic smoke. I've had it happen a couple of times but thankfully the motherboards were $10 garage sale items so it really didn't matter.
I love these types of videos! Takes me back to 2000-02 when I worked in a PC shop. The culprit was almost always the dirt-cheap ECS motherboards we sold.
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I could only imagine what the tech world was like and those in it back then. I was alive, but not conscious. I learned about Y2K and found the matrix… could only imagine what the creative minds thought. Haha
ECS were proper trash! 😂
Really appreciate this video. Been chasing this exact set of symptoms too. Went from random shutdowns to not booting and followed me to a new motherboard.
Had a old Phemon II board that didn't want to post, this thing hadn't been used in years. Tried swapping out parts, still no joy...... ended up being the CMOS battery was totally dead, changed it out and the system came to life! :)
Thank you for this comment, I am still running my Phenom II x4 PC and it runs fine, but maybe the CMOS battery needs to be changed soon, I don't remember if I ever changed it since I got that prebuilt like 10 years ago.
@@metalhat3534 if one day, that system doesn't want to start, it would be the first thing I would change. Could save a mess load of headaches! LOL
"Something's happening somewhere, it's just not fully happening everywhere," That should be on a T-shirt.
I like how you just repeated what they said.
I'd buy that shirt
Yes well done, you watched the video
JayZ Jessica Simpson moment
I need this shirt.
Before you start changing components I’d recommend checking if it’s the hdmi or DP cable just in case.
He already stated that he'd verified the cable.
@@phydeux guess it was easy enough for me to miss it, so some others could’ve too. It would be the first thing you want to check though and you might also want to double check the monitor and the the hdmi ports condition on the gpu itself but I’m sure most people would know if their gpu is good.
@@korinturner2404 - Yeah, not saying it's not good advice, only that Jay didn't need to do it. And it's amazing how many cables fail these days.
@@phydeux it really is amazing.
Talks about current systems being taken for granted - remembers his old FX system STILL has a POST onboard speaker hooked to the motherboard. Yup, I remember troubleshooting by sound. Shit sucked!
Hell I still remember flooding an old Windows 95 system with too many devices and having to manually assign IRQs. And I'm not that old. (Will be 31 on Halloween.) I just learned computers from my grandfather as he is a TRUE tech hoarder. Man has systems that would probably be worth a cool mint. (Pristine commodore 64, Amgia, 286, 486, Atari 2600, etc. But I'm not allowed to raid his stash till he passes.
Hell he still has a mint condition OG Xbox AND Game gear, Sega Genesis, SNES. You name it, he has it.
Just finished building my first rig, thought I had a dud motherboard. It was a Gigabyte B550. Thought for sure it was dead and in the end it was power switch swapped with power led. Looked like a short because I had one quick board led flash and then absolutely nothing else. Set it up on some cardboard and of course I only had my 24 pin and 8 pin wires in - so it was never gonna work anyway. I think I was just in this video where you were mentioning bridging the power button and "something's happening somewhere it's just not fully happening everywhere" and the lightbulb went off. Thanks for doing what you do JayZ.
Dead RAM slots (or DIMMs): pull all but one RAM stick and try it in each slot of the motherboard. If that fails, swap out a different RAM stick. Keep going until you're confident that the motherboard is dead, or you find a fault in one slot or stick.
When my isht didnt post I was a gozillion times more stressed than Jay is here
well this is a FX system so not much too lose
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You'll get caught up in the crossfire, crossfire...CROSSFIIIIREE! lmao. Love it. Great video. I've recently gotten back into computers since my last desktop ran windows 98, followed by xp. So you can see I've been out of the game for awhile. I've learned so much from your channel. Thank you for what you do.
By Milton Bradley 😁
Jay: "...its very easy this day with all the Status-Displays, Status- LED's...."
Beeper: Am i a joke to u?
3 beeps... my worst nightmare.
Yes. Yes you are a joke, beeper. You are a joke, your mom was a joke and the horse you rode in on is a joke.
I loved the Vice grip garage reference, that was great and gave me a good chuckle.
i watched this like 8 months ago thinking ill never have this problem. here i am. FML. rewatching video
Why don't you have a PC speaker hooked up? Every motherboard has a header for it. And it can give you clues to cut down diagnoses time..
Got to have those mobo beeps!
Exactly what I was thinking.
@@CuevadelRaton same here the old beep codes
Not every MB. I have a gigabyte amd MB and Intel MB that dont have those speakers pins anywhere and I even looked for it in each of their manuals
@@caliptus85 Are you sure? I've also had Gigabyte MBs in Intel and AMD, both times the speaker pins were in the block with the front panel pins.
One thing I need to mention about the old AMD coolers:
When you locked in that mounting lever on the socket, it would actually cause the motherboard to flex and move a little bit. So much so that I ruined several sets of ram chips by mounting the cooler after installing the ram. End result? The ram would often not work until I'd spent ages fiddling around with removing and reinstalling the ram into the slots, crying, praying, cursing, and a whole lot of grief.
If it has one of those old fashioned lever mount systems, be very careful about how much it causes flexing on the mobo. With such coolers, I always install the ram AFTER installing the cpu and cooler. Also remove ram before removing the cooler.
That's not a bad tactic. And something I never thought about. I don't quite see how it could flex that much to cause damage to the RAM contacts, but it only takes a second to pop them out and pop them back in. Why not! 👍
@@terrapinflyer273 To be honest, this is more of a reflex to using those old coolers about two decades ago, so it might not be as necessary these days. They used to exert a LOT of force on a mobo, it was scary.
A much easier solution, especially for older boards that don't have LCD POST diagnostics is to get a PCIe/LPC POST test card. You put it in either the PCIe or LPC/TPM slot (not all boards will debug over PCIe) and it spits out a code for where the issue is. And they cover a wide range of boards and configurations. For ~ $30 it's a lot better than begging parts or paying a tech to part-swap with their stuff.
easier, every motherboard of that time had a speaker connection, to get boot beeps codes. New motherboards even today have that connection.
Man, you are a life saver!!!! Jumping the CMOS was the remedy to my never ending nightmare of troubleshooting. Thanks again for posting this video!!! Best of luck to you and your team!!!
Love the VGG reference, love Derek the best car channel out there!
Why didn't you hook up a speaker to the speaker header to make diagnostics easier and faster, Jay?
The last case I got that had a PC speaker included, might have been 15 years ago. Most of us won't have one.
@@foulplay99 You can purchase speaker separately from a case. It costs around $5. I put one in my system that I built where I had an issue. Found out one of my sticks of RAM was defective. The beeping code made it easier to figure out what components was an issue very quickly. I wish that case came with a speaker for older boards or when boards does not have digital display. But I understand what you're saying. 🙂
Thanks Jay, building pcs are great but knowing what to do when things don't work is more important in my mind.
The BIOS issue has saved me a fortune when buying CPUs for my PCs. I buy "defective" CPUs on eBay for cheap and 75% of the time it's just a newer BIOS is needed to run it. Got a 7700K for €20 last week because of this exact issue!
More cunning that a fox with a PhD from Oxford Uni. 8)
I'm watching this in October of 2024 and mine got fixed by just clearing the CMOS, Cleaning the RAM sticks and Slots. Thank you so much Jay!
for the first time in my life Step 1, the easiest, fixed the problem for me. Thanks Jay!
You should do more these videos, where you use older parts. You could also try something like i5-2500K and i7-2600K and show how well they do on newer games when paired with newish GPU and descent memory from that same era. 🙂
Own a 2500k and it will do for 1080p, 70-90fps with a capable GPU. Use that with a grain of salt with new new game though. I would say all low for them
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You are very much in the right on this matter.
The 2500K has only 4 cores and has no Hyper threading though. So in theory those games that utilizes more than 4 cores, the i5-2500K might not be the best CPU.
If you want you can subscribe to my channel, I have “specialized” content regarding older hardware used on modern games. 🙂
@@techgamerman built my sister a PC with it a while back, and it surprised me because I found it on the street. And I'll sub
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Thank you for the Sub man. I appreciate this. 👍🏽
Jay: now we are talking about major components here
GTX 1060: am i a joke to you
Thank you for sharing the process with us. This video will be more useful in the future than any flawless build could have been.
You got this.
When you said 9:06, rip the CPU off the Cooler, My first CPU, half of the AMD Pins snapped off snd it was a Ryzen 7 2700X.
Great video of getting back to the basics of PC troubleshooting and repair! Essentially went through the same process after I helped my niece build her first PC. Turns out she plugged the PWR cables in backwards and the PC wouldn't turn on from the front switch. Jumpered the pins and it came alive and POSTed. Then I had to go into the UEFI and make some changes to get the MSI Prime MoBo to boot into Windows from the USB stick.
Along with basic hand tools and some spare parts (in a perfect world) I strongly recommend having a spare computer or laptop on hand to assist with troubleshooting!
Jay, you covered what I would normally start with, but I would add a couple more steps just to cover all the bases. I'd try other ports on the video card - it's possible that the GPU is trying to output to the DVI port, and I'd try the other PCIe slot.
I would love it if Derek commented "We're just going to pretend we didn't see that. Its fine, no its not..."
The CPU is bad, so thats good! We have another one that is more less badderish.
I absolutely love the fact that Jay knows who Derek is.
Who's Derek?
@@thomasphillips885 Vice Grip Garage. Jay brought it up in the video.
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Plug a piezo speaker into the speaker pins on the MB and find any codes. Also, try swapping the RAM sticks, and be sure to disconnect anything that is not absolutely needed to boot. Not having onboard graphics makes things a little more complicated.
i find its always good to have a speaker on hand when doing repairs on older systems, beep codes.
THANK YOU, Jay! I couldn’t get any video output when trying to boot an Asus B550 Prime WiFi II with a 5700X3D CPU. Luckily, I had another PC with a 5800X, so I swapped that into the problematic motherboard. That allowed me to get video and access the BIOS, where I was able to update the Asus firmware. After the update, I swapped back to the 5700X3D, and it finally worked! Your advice on troubleshooting by isolating components and using trial and error was a lifesaver. Thanks again!
did you motherboard not have a bios flashback feature?
@@s4yto That did not work for me on the b550 prime II unfortunately.
WE NEED MORE LIKE THIS. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!
The FX 8 and 9 series CPUs actually do pretty decently for applications like Unraid as well! Don't get me wrong, there are better options of course, but it works pretty decently overall
I would go so far as recommending AM2+ socket for people that enjoy retro games. Or even some more recent titles! For the right price of course, or if they have the mobo already.
My AM2+ board has a 95W CPU limitation. And limited to 2x2GB DDR2-800 (or -1066). Even with that, upgraded to a Phenom II X4 955 (95W, NON-BE) and a Radeon R7 250 2GB GDDR3 (OEM) for around $40 and can play Hollow Knight, Mass Effect 2, Just Cause 2, Batman Arkham City, and lots of others from 360/PS3 era.
I love your vids you taught me a lot about PCs lol thank you so much!!!
Same
Just completed my first ever PC build and encountered an issue where I couldn't get any display signal. Tried everything including flashing the BIOS but what seemed to do it was clearing the CMOS. Thanks JTC! This video saved me a whole lot of fustration
Jay could you do video explaining every piece of computer and what to look for in it?
For example what to look in mobo or ram,....
tisk tisk. You didn't test the batter voltage while you had it out. I have seen a low cmos battery voltage cause all kinds of issues. :D
When its that old I wouldn't even bother, time for a new one.
@@BattyBobert Good point.
The way I cleared my CMOS was to pull the battery and walk away for about 30 minutes on my FX rig. My game and streaming rig till a month ago btw.
The pins work better then removing the battery… However if you removethe cmos battery bridging the pins does nothing. Not sure why jay is doing that.
Either way removed power from the CMOS flushing it. Shorting out with the pins is usually faster though. The fact that Jay is doing both shows that he doesn't understand how it works.
"(FX series) is not AMD's greatest era..."
Meanwhile... Me: *Still running an FX8150 with 8gb of RAM and a Radeon 7770 GPU* ... 😅🤣
Right there with ya
Dude i was stuck on Vishra till first gen Ryzen. SIX CORE FOR LIFE
was running an fx 8350 for 3 years, 3 years ago. Upgraded to ryzen 2600 and i saw a major improvement with a 1060. No i have a 5600x with a 2070 super. Great times.
@@incediumignis yep, it'll be amazing. I do specific hard projects like renders, modelling, and video/photo/sound work. I did all that on a really bad machine. I'd love to have a good one.
Me too, changed 2 years ago....
Thank GOD that you did the commercials first. Now we can get to the main meal. Kind of like when you take your car back to the dealer because something doesn't work. A mechanic, I meant to say, service tech takes your car into the service bay. An hour later, he returns to the service office. "Mister, your car needs the following parts replaced. Hope your car is still under warranty." The reason the motherboard is warped is simple. Someone, not you, spilled some liquid on it and decided to use a hairdryer to dry it. Just loved reading Rita's comments! There sure isn't any problems with her. Maybe she will consider a new aviator photo where we see her front.
When you know that getting more people to comment below will feed the algorithm, but you didn't think through what to have people comment about. @17:27
That's OK, Jay. We love you. Feeding the algorithm for you, it's hungry beast. :)
This is so funny. I am running this exact same board, with Corsair Vengeance RAM and the FX 8320e @4.4ghz. It's still running strong as ever. I definetly have to upgrade but It's not easy these days. But I can still play every game I want perfectly fine so I am happy.
Just out of curiosity, what do you consider to be perfectly fine?
@@leoutriainen Just working xd
@@leoutriainen well its better then my intel celeron from 2019 hell of alot faster celerons are trash i7s and intel i5sss are superior
my bad i couldn't spell
@@leoutriainen I guess at 1080p low with around 60fps in older games? Depending on the GPU it could still be a strong cpu.
"Something's happening somewhere, it's just not fully happening everywhere,"
You should put that line on a mug
If he made that into a shirt, I would buy it
Mug or shirt ill buy it too. Do it jay!!
Underneath the text it needs one of those loading logos
"Something's happening somewhere, it's just not filly happening everywhere... at least not before I've had my caffeine."
I just did the "tear out the CPU with the cooler" on my Ryzen 5 2600. I changed the stock cooler with the Wraith RGB cooler. And it didn't go well. Bent 2 pins on the CPU and now I always get random crashes and odd system behaviour that is very random and sporadic. It was a brain fart moment where I immediately knew I did it wrong but it was too late. Always give a twist first before pulling on the cooler. It was still under the instore warrenty period by about 3 months, but I didn't exchange it. I knew better but still did it and it was my fault. A smally, greedy part of me wishes I had exchanged it.
You might be able to bend the pins back into place, I've done it before with like 5 pins lol
@@Mark-xk3hh The pins have been bent back to position without breaking any but the crashes and odd system behavior is still a problem for me. Incidentally if I don't shut the computer down and let it cool the crashes are far less frequent. I've been running for over 24 hours now without a crash.
I needed this video 4 months ago but glad I was doing everything shown here.
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So a video with a FX 6100. I'm excited. I've been using one since 2012. Wanted to upgrade but with the whole shortages and overpricing I decided to wait till 2023. In the meantime I will dedicate my time to learning programming.
To show you how old this motherboard is, this is a PCI slot. Show me an ISA slot and I'm truly impressed! Back in my day we even had to overclock with jumpers and needed to be a real nerd in order to retain more the 572kb of free memory so you could play modern games like lemmings. I couldn't play Wolfenstein for a year because I didn't had 4MB (yes MEGA), but only 2...
Even further back you had to replace the clock crystal to overclock.
*points out the PCI slots*
*doesn't use a PCI diagnostic POST card*
5 bucks on amazon...
Day 7 of missing the RTFM show
We hate you algorithm >:(
Thank you so much for this, had a problem with mine after plugging in a dicey USB drive, had multiple bluescreens and eventually nothing being displayed no bios no familiar windows logo nothing. Used the clear CMOS you mentioned and could finally get into the advanced settings to do a windows restore. 😅
What you do is. Open the case take a shit in it. Close it. Leave it for about a week or so...and it should be good.
I will try this.
Another step I’ve worked through is actually moving the RAM stick across channels/slots. I had a board or two only work in single channel mode but with 2 sticks. The most infuriating troubleshooting I’ve had is where adding 1 specific screw would keep the system from working, so strange.
true. i actually had a friend who was ripping his hair out over it and called me. told him to try 1 stick in the 2nd slot and that did the trick. i've even seen some boards not post because of people zip tying their cables too tight 🤣
People will be kicking themselves in few weeks if they miss the opportunity to buy and invest in Crypto.
Crypto is the future 💯
That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Expert Marcus
That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Expert Marcus
I heard that his strategies are really good
Yeah
Try jiggling the cord...
One thing I picked up regarding post/boot issues or black screens is making sure all the drivers or BIOS updates are done if possible, then checking the PSU voltages, especially if there are no crash logs or events. It doesn't happen often, but more than once it turned out that the PSU someone had may have been "enough" in watts but overall efficiency especially regarding 12v rail and modern GPUS just couldn't deliver enough amps causing hard shutdowns or black screens. Another great tip is to always read the driver patch notes. Too many times I thought my computer was dying and it turned out to just be a well documented bug.
another cpu and gpu 1 stick of ram jayz is the man with the plan!
So either my cpu or motherboard is fucked up 😔😔
Same....
OMG, wasn't expecting the Vice Grip Garage reference. A guy approves.
Thanks Jay for letting me enjoy your videos. Keep going 👍
this is very helpful video jay i have learnt a little bit more about pc specs you are very knowledgeable in pc stuff thanks again for the info
I'll be dipped! He mentioned Vice Grip Garage. Jay has style
I've got an old i7-920 that I was using upto a couple of years ago. Damn good cpu. So using older stuff dosen't always mean it'll be bad especially in this climate
I have a system with an x5675 and it performs really well in fact in cyberpunk a GTX 980 limits it.
Yeah I still have an i7 920 sitting around. They were great. I imagine it would be fine for someone with no computer but I imagine my lga1366 board is dead.
Too funny...as you were describing the basics to make it POST, I was thinking of how Vice Grip Garage says (paraphrasing) how he can make any engine run as long as it can rotate (normal disclaimers). I'm subscribed to that channel and yours!
Hahaha, I can’t believe you mentioned Derek. I love what he does on his channel.
My wifes computer had a post issue this weekend too. Our VGA LED and Boot LED on our MSI motherboards were lighting up. We cleared the removed the boards battery and cleared the CMOS over night and it booted up the next morning. So far looks like clearing the CMOS fixed her problem. Find it funny that if it didnt boot I was going to look for tip on Jay's page.
I have an user of a Ivybridge system. I don't know those fancy troubleshooting features.
I have a tip how to quickly test an Intel board. You need just the board, a PSU, a CPU, a stisk of RAM and a keyboard. You don't even need a screen or heatsink. A low power Pentium CPU gets barely warm during the POST. You can test the board just using a keyboard. If the Num lock and Caps lock LEDs can be switched on and off, the BIOS is running and the board is working.
Thanks Jay I could not remember how to clear a cmos and assumed it was my issue. Searched found your vid searched found my mobo manual found how to clear cleared replaced old battery "If I am taking it out anyhow why not" and it booted had to futs around with bios settings a bit to get it back running correctly. Running unraid off usb drive with like 10 old hd's in it to backup all my youtube footage. Had to switch it from safe boot so it would load unraid again.
Jay can I have the good old "do you want to look cool ad" back? I just like the swag
Thank you for this! Seriously saved a brand new build for me. It's been 15 years since I built my last PC. I just put together an ASRock A620I with Ryzen 7 8700G, 64GB of RAM. I put in an SF750 but realizing that was probably overkill for power. Haven't picked out a GPU yet. I spent a few hours trying to get it to post yesterday. Ended up being the firmware.
troubleshooting is greatly appreciated. Having done it a few times it helps a lot
my most successful tech tip is the computer repair expert. i will pick it up next saturday.