PC BS needs a few small additions to make it feel a bit more realistic. For the business sim there should be some data migration tools added as well as the option to reformat or reinstall the OS on a machine. IRL there's not much worse you can do than wiping a customers data. If a customer asks you to replace the HDD they expect you to either migrate the complete installation or do your best to copy their data if the old drive is failing. Very seldom will they however want to take the cost of having the drive sent to a data recovery company, though that happens now and then. In the IT expansion I got stuck on a job where I was to wipe the drive and reinstall a clean OS. While that sounds easy enough it frustrates me that the only way to do that is by installing a new never used drive. That's not "Reinstalling the OS". Also it's a bit weird never to have customers lie and try to scam you. I guess having worked in the business for more than 30 years tends to make you a bit cynical about customers.
My corsair h75 120mm AIO died while I was sleeping, woke up to burning tech smell and loudly revving computer fans as the computer like you said simply turned itself off and tried to reboot. However as I had been sleeping and not noticed the AIO must have had water left inside it that reached boiling, eventually literally blowing the gasket on the pump and it was literally dripping on the graphics card as the computer was stuck in a boot loop. Quickly turned off the computer and ripped the AIO out and after replacing it with a Noctua NH-D15, nothing was actually broken. Talk about a miracle.
Greg, thank you for the amazing content, I've started my own small PC business because of you, so far it's going really well, wish you the best and that you keep doing it, really appreciate it
@@GregSalazar - hey Greg I have an HP laptop that won't start up. Bought a new battery, new ram and even had a shop look at it and nothing. I know you don't feature laptops on this channel but I'd be willing to send it to you. I'll pay shipping both ways if your willing to feature it. Thanks.
Now while I'm a fairly advanced PC user/builder/fixer I will say this...it's refreshing to see someone like Greg here educating folks on what to look for when it comes to PC part failures. I actually like the way this channel is going, the fix or flop series can be highly useful for a lot of folks out there. I've had AIO pump failure long ago...it can and does happen as Greg here has tried to demonstrate. Learn from the videos this man produces folks because honestly he's doing the community a huge help here.
I've started buying used parts, building, and flipping PCs and your channel has been the most helpful on all of youtube for building and diagnosing hardware issues. Thank you so much Greg
Thanks a lot! I literally used your video as proff for the company that sold me a AIO with a defective water-pump! They were trying to say it was a "user error" but I had followed their own "installing tutorial" on their own channel! Thanks a lot! On my way to get a new AIO!!!
I had the same problem as shown on video! My PC has a Intel i3 9100f ( CPUs are really expensive here in Brazil, so, I'm not currently able to buy a better one ) wich is a really "cold" CPU. I've added a AIO so I could get more space in my case for the future high profile memory and for the looks of it.
This happened to me! I was reusing my 3700X and the 240mm AIO I had and moving them to an ITX case for a living room setup. When cutting cable ties, I somehow managed to just partially cut one of the cables for power delivery for the pump. The cut was so small, I didn't even notice it until I ran into issues - and even then first assumed the pump had somehow given out. Thankfully some twisting wires and electrical tape later it was fixed.
this was a really great explanation. i spent 2 days trying to figure out what was wrong just to find out my pump is dead only after like a year of getting my PC.
Super helpful, learned my pump never had fluid, it's been like that for 7 years, now it's failing because the fans are finally dying, we had strong fans
Yessssssssss! Great video!! I wish you would do a build with the Asus X Noctua 3070 collab. I would love to see a brown and beige build. Keeep up the great content.
The tube thing is spot on, my dead AIO (which I suspect the pump died) had 1 wire that was hot and one cold. Also could not feel any vibration going through the tubes
I also noticed that the radiator was at or very close to room temperature in the dead pump senerio. And visibly hotter with the pump running. Look at the flip images closely at the top and bottom of the fan frame.
10:22 “I know Intel at this point would’ve shut off” Tbh Greg I ain’t so sure because Dawid does tech stuff did a video recently with his 10900K pushing a 5.1GHz all core boost while pegged at 115c!!! on an NZXT motherboard. Maybe it was just his specific chip but if you didn’t use temperature monitoring software then you think that chip was just fine thermally.
Greetings from the Arab world, and thank you for adding an explanation of translation into Arabic, your content is beautiful, and I wish you all the best 🌹❤
Holy crap you looked into my soul with that intro. Thats exactly what has been happening to my pc recently. (same blue screen and everything) The funny part is that i didnt even look up this vid. I just saw it in my recommended because im already subbed.
No feeling in the hoses. 99 degrees Celsius constantly and didn't ever drop. My pump was definitely dead and im glad i made the right decision replacing it.
10:22 I am sure Intel won't shut off at this point. German overclocker Roman managed to run a full loop of cinebench on an Intel CPU (I believe it was 8th gen, but I don't think more recent CPUs differ so much in this aspect) without even a cooler mounted. The AMD didn't managed to do this in his test.
had this trouble a couple days ago and i remembered this video, it was probably a combo of an air bubble and bad thermal paste application but so far im back down to 60s instead of 90s under load. Thanks for this Vid, it really does help! Great content.
I just found out that I got an AIO Pump in my machine, when I specially stated on purchase that I didn't want a pump in my computer because I knew they were bad & causes nothing but problems. And now I'm here, after finally realizing what was cooking my PC for over a month.... Clearly a faulty Pump that throws me up to 100c when trying to boot games. Great. This should be a great watch while I scream internally.
What happened was within my expectations and nothing new but still nice to see a demonstration. Also I noticed that your captions are in a bunch of languages now aside from english because of another comment, and damn that is cool!
Literally had this issue about a month and a half ago and took a round about way to get to replacing my AIO but in the process learned alot more about my PC build. I guess cheap china AIOs with RGB logos die quite often.
Thanks for all you awesome content in this time of GPU high prices preventing most ppl from building with recent GPUs. Really useful information in this video and your two series, fix or flop and deep cleaning are awesome.
And this is why after weighing my choices between air and aio for my new system, I decided to stick with air cooling. A bit of undervolting and proper case ventilation is all I need to keep the CPU happy.
For me, what I noticed when there is a dead AIO: 1. Pump noise is extremely loud and annoying (although not all dead aios show this symptom) 2. Can't hear the sound of water moving through the AIO 3. Incredibly high temps in the BIOS.
I didnt figure out a failing AIO immediately the first time it happened to me. I will say my pump was "clicky" a few weeks before it shit the bed, and when it did, the tubes were hot af
Recently my aio has started making a gurgling noise, louder when it turns on, and quieter afterwards. I can still feel liquid moving through it and my temps are the same as before. Should i be worried?
Had a Rosewill PB120-RGB 120mm AIO die on me for my Ryzen 7 3700X (not OC'd). It worked well for the about 8 months. Noticed some serious lag in GTAOnline after playing for about half an hour, especially in the grass heavy areas. But still no random shutdowns, or dead pump sounds. Checked Ryzen to see what was up only to see it capping at 95*C. Immediately went out to Bestbuy to grab a Corsair H100i and then tried to get in contact with Rosewill/Newegg for return/replacement. That was three months ago. Never heard anything back. One year ownership will be in nine days (11/12) I've already thrown it away because I lost hope on anyone getting back to me. Really surprised it never shut the system down. Have nothing but good to say about the H100i, saved the fan from old AIO because it was RGB and use it as an exhaust now.
Good info. Can't count the number of times in forums and discord and such where they say, no I have an AIO can't be that causing the temps, the fans are spinning.....
Thanks for doing this kind of stuff, my Pump is fine but making the switch from a traditional CPU Fan to this kind of cooling left me a bit paranoid so It's good to know what to watch out for.
Yup! I am 47 now, and back in the day I let the smoke out of a number of CPU's prior to there being built in protection. Those angry pixies are not forgiving!
You can tell by the pump not making any noises anymore. All the AIO's ive had, Coolermaster, SilentiumPC and Arctic, have this slight coilwhiney sound whenever the pump is on (on being over 70%).
Technically yes, but not everyone has their fans running silently. With 12 fans spinning full speed, I would never know by sound. Touching the tubes to feel liquid flowing is alot easier to tell.
@@wickedwonka999 i mean to be completely honest dont Ryzen chips like insta throttle due to the voltage it pushes by default? I remember when got my first AIO and i forgot to plug the pump, it booted up and went 80 insta. I guess a lot of ppl dont mind their temps.
My Corsair H150i Elite Capellix just started making a noise like that today. A slight whine I could hear over everything else. Had it a little over 2 years, feels a bit soon to die.
Thank you so much for this! Just built my first pc today and I was suspecting a faulty cooler as my CPU temps were in the high 90s just idle. Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I will definitely look forward to more of your content! =D
My pump died today (Deepcool Captain), completely caught me by surprise. It's a couple weeks shy of its sixth birthday so it's lasted for a long time, but I had no idea what was wrong until I realized the radiator fans were blowing cold air and the pump was burning hot. I checked Task Manager and my CPU was underclocking itself to try to not die from overheating, a behavior I've never seen before. I've seen AMD CPUs automatically overclock themselves to death, but I've never seen a CPU try to underclock to save its own life. Was killing my FPS playing Guild Wars 2.
U should change it before it explode water all over ur pc parts and don't tell me it works fine u just don't wanna take that risk of having ur aio failing on u on the wrong time it's best to get a new aio
Along this theme of "I do it so you don't have to", I'd love to see more experiments like what happens if you just pull ram out during operation. What happens if you pull a CPU out, what happens if you add nvme drive with system on etc etc. Strange things people may have wondered but wouldn't have the hardware spare to try.
Ram: screen pixels turn half green kinda, it's weird CPU: screen freezes on that frame NVME: System turns off (at least it does for me) i've put my computer thru alot of stuff while it's turned on lmfao. those 3 were by mistake tho.
Brother I’m having a similar issue but not exactly like that , from what I gathered from your video my pump is okay , but I’m having some of the most unusual temp hikes you can find right after boot , like 30c to 105c inside of 2min ( and then after 3-5 reboots ) temps stay under 45c even under extreme use or gaming. Any help at all you can provide ? Thank you ahead of time
So it's probably not going to instantly die or boil the water and explode if the pump dies when the CPU is at full load. This was actually one of my biggest phobias in therms of water cooling. The other is it leaking on the motherboard and everything. Might consider an AIO instead of an absolutely enormous air cooler in my next build now.
You don't have to simulate this for me, it happened with my very first AIO after a few years. A good ol' Corsair H100. Which they replaced with an H100i when the pump died (and I believe the H100i still works, but I replaced it with a Le Grande Macho RT in my "server" computer since it is in an unused room, so I can't just... see the thing. The heatsink is big enough on that thing that if the fan dies, the CPU will still be fine.
Man, I feel the tubes vibrating, but my radiator isn't heating up at all, and my CPU temp is climbing to over 80 C in the BIOS despite my entire build being out of the case rn...
Have you seen where the pump is in fact running but cavitating? Just pulled mine out to replace the optical drive and the pump was loud on startup ... overheated. Fairly sure that what little air the aioc had in the sealed system found it's way to the pump.
I have a weird incident with my partner's gaming pc (not even a year old system, self built) . The night before everything ran perfect and as it should but, slept over night (we did have a storm that night but the pc is connected to a sturge protection extention cord) and in the morning when we booted up the pc, the temps climbed straight to 80 then 90 and then around 100. Rebooted pc but problem still existed. At this point, I thought the aio pump had died. We opened the pc up, cleared bios, reconnected all the aio pins and fan pins, reseated the aio water block. After all this plus stress, we turned the pc back on and everything was stable again, temps were back to normal, ideal around 29/30c and the aio seems fine. The pump works as it should. It was extremely strange and not normal, maybe the pump frozed up or some bios setting happened to freak the system out because even in the bios menu the temps would reach too high (hence why I thought it was the pump). Still not really sure what happened but I'm thankfully it's resolved.
Thanks for helping me and my reoccurring nightmare. If AIO manufacturers used clear, flexible tubing, this would not be a problem. Is it possible to replace the original non-transparent tubes with clear tubing? I would like to see a video on how to do this.
DAMN IT, I never thought to feel the air at the radiator. My son's Ryzen 9 system was always at 90 degrees, even with a Corsair aio... we gave up and switched do a Wraith cooler, and it's still hot but 80 degrees. We're gonna just get a Noctua tower soon. I'm gonna test that aio again, on a new i9 build to see if it is dead, or we did something wrong.
so i touched my aio tubes but one tube seems to have vibration but the other one is very faint. is that normal? or should i be feeling like the same amount of vibration from both tubes?
Hi Greg, I had an i7 4690k powered up in windows just doing some generic tasks without the pump plugged in and the temps were up & down between 90 - 105 degrees c and the system did not shut off, granted it got very sluggish though! So the comment you made about if it were an intel chip it would've shut off by now isn't strictly true! Please don't get me wrong Greg I'm not trying to disrespect you at all and I enjoy watching your content but as an I.T tech I felt I had to say something! Anyway, keep up the good work.
I learned the hard way back in 1994 or 95 I started my PC without a fan or heat sink on the CPU just to test it and I have to say it was a $350 mistake... :)
I installed my first AIO like 2-3 weeks ago I thought it was broken. Had the pump plugged into the cpu_fan header and the sata cable was plugged in (or so I thought) and would get 95c on startup. Turns out that the sata cable could be plugged in backwards but not 100% fully seated which is why I thought it was plugged in but in reality it wasn't
I literally just convinced myself to try an AIO after several months of going back and forth on AIOs - spooking myself away from it with some reddit posts and stories about pumps failing and ruining parts. Fifteen minutes later, I come to YT and see this video in my timeline. That's a sign. I just don't know if it's a warning against getting one or a gentle nudge towards buying one, you know, by arming me with the knowledge to fix issues if they arise🤔.
I have an AIO and personally I'd prefer the hassle of setting up a full kit where I can swap a single part out. The only real thing I'd want from the AIO's is the LED tops on the heatsink (the expensive ones). Those can be really nice to just glance in and know temps or have fun effects.
So about 6 months ago I delided and put liquid metal on my 7700k and overclocked it to 4.9 GHz at 1.38v. This was stable with prime95 and a max temp between 70 and 80C when running for a while. However, recently I noticed my fans ramping super high kinda spiking so I checked temps and I seem to be idling at 50C and when I run prime95 now it shoots straight up to 100C. I thought something maybe went off with the liquid metal or thermal paste so I redid both (twice now). I ended up getting same temps. If I turn the clocks back to stock I still idle around 50C but prime95 maxes out at 98C. I thought maybe the pump is bad but hw monitor shows the rpm and when I disable the PUMP rpm the temps do go up so that would indicate that the pump is working and I can also feel the vibration in the tubes. I have the be quiet silent loop 2 280mm with two Noctua 3000rpm fans. I'm kinda stumped atm.
Yikes, looks like my NZXT Kraken pump was dead on arrival, just built my first pc and I can’t even get through the first boot without getting to 60°C and having the system shut off, this was a great video though, I think I’ve finally found my problem
Greg, I know it’s an old video but have a question for you. I’ve had a bad run of Arctic Liquid Freezer ii AIO’s that’s disturbing. For starters have a 360mm in a tower PC that’s worked flawlessly, about year and half old. Went over to Micro-ATX and went with a 240mm that was purchased April of 2023 and the pump died September 2023 (pump housing hot, lines/radiator cold) Went thru the RMA process and didn’t want that PC down for a few weeks so bought a 280mm (didn’t realize at the time a 280mm would fit in the case. That one lasted 30 minutes till the pump died. Called Arctic up and stressed how unhappy I was and they decided to upgrade the original defective 240mm with a 280mm (was told a new one would be sent, refurbish was sent instead scratches on the radiator, who cares free upgrade) That one DOA, 90c in BIOS right away, rebooted went down to 32c. Okay maybe a bubble or glitch. Rebooted again shot up to 110c. Back on the phone with Arctic, now pretty annoyed. They assured me they will send a brand new one this time. Have you been seeing failures from the Arctic Liquid Freezer ii’s like this? Even checked the fan header to make sure it has constant 12 volts (made a video) and all good there. A running theory is they now run a single connector for the pump and fans which leaves the pump running 100% non adjustable which is fine and you can still adjust the fan curve. Wondering if the control board is the point of failure since this is a newer design. The first 280mm I bought was a Revision 7 so obviously they have had problems to revise them that many times. Thinking the refurb they sent was a Cold Plate swap due to contamination and the cooling fluid was never replaced and it just plugged up the cooling fins immediately from the residual junk that should have been drained and replaced or scrapped. Thanks.
My new PC recently had a broken AIO Pump. I recognized stuttering with the mouse on my desktop. After that started I saw in the task manager that the cpu is running only with 0.2 GHz which is really slow and caused by the throttling to prevent the system from being fried. I immediatly shut down my pc, let it cool down and opened the BIOS. In The BIOS I was able to see that the pump was not active because there were no rpm. After some troubleshooting and testing with cables I simply confirm that it`s the pump, so I returned it and got a new one. System is now back on and running normally.
Running my R7-3700x @ 4.5ghz Since 2/27/20 with Msi 240r AIO Liquid Cooler ( Never seen Temps above 73c ) Last week while Playing Skyrim modded Pc Se which is not Processor intensive was reaching high 80's to Low 90's ? While watching you're Video , first i disconnected the Pump : Temps Sky rocket .... Re-Connected pump : Temps dropped ( Only TH-cam running ) and Cpu is @ Stock Speeds Since last week. Felt the Tubes & i feel the Vibration of water running inside tubes. My Pc needs a Clean butt it isn't that bad & i have 6 x 120 fans in a Mid Tower Case. Gonna check the Thermal Paste next & need to find a video On how to check if there's enough fluid inside Radiator & other Fixes.
I just finished a Ryzen 9 3900x build for my new RIG.Msi RTX 2080 super gaming x trio and MSI MEG B550 Unify motherboard, 4000mhz ram. Overclocked to 4.4ghz all core. 1.38 volts. Cinebench R20 score 7700. Three SSD Drives. 2 WD SN750 SE 1tb drives, one Samsung 2.5 970. 120mm Assassin cooler. Msi MPG 750 watt 80 plus gold.
Actually Pentium 4s had that feature even with the first Willamette core. I tried to run it without a cooler and it did shut down. Though the shutdown may have been disabled, can't remember as it was about 15 years when I tried that.
I'm here because I think my lian li Galahad 240mm is dead. The fans have been going hard since I put in a 7900x, but it's kept at least 71c but now I can't even get into windows before it shuts off. Trying to determine if bad pump or just can't handle the CPU. I have a new tower air cooler on order so thanks for the video showcasing how to tell. I wish I could have felt the tubes before this happened lol
>so you don't have to Corsair 240mm AIO died within a week, back when skylake was new (6600k). Microcenter's (2016) 30 day no question refund/replacement was awesome. bios / idle temps at 70c+ was pretty sus, especially when the case was open.
maybe just me, but i always monitor my temps. i still use that gagets bar thing, like in vista. it works on W10, always see my CPU usage, temps, gpu usage and temps and actually more. ran 280 AIO for 7 years non stop, never had a problem, probably got lucky. with AM4 upgraded to NH-D15 just to be safe. always monitor your CPU/GPU, its like car engine temps, you never know when that thermostat wont open...
The SATA to 12v connectors on my Be Quiet Pure Loop weren't fully seated the first power on and my R5 5600x throttled for at least 5 min before I realized, no damage done. Watch out for the connecters.
G'day Greg, So all those who say that having an AIO or Custom Loop is like having a Time Bomb in your PC because if the Pump Fails your CPU Will Catch Fire & Explode were Lying? 🤔Who'd have thought that CPUs that are made to Regulate Frequency according to Temps would know what to do when they get too hot so they can Survive.
I wouldn't worry about vibrations when you are feeling up the pipes. They are hopefully connected to the radiator with 1-6 fans mounted to it. That will create vibrations as well. He does hit the nail on the head later in the video where one hose is hot and the other is not. This is because of 1 of 2 things: The pump is broken, or the water is gummed up. In either case it's time to replace the AIO.
Im pretty sure my pump is dead. However, I use msi afterburner to check my system temps and the CPU temp looks different than what your test showed. Mine spikes up and down (5 to 10 degrees) while slowly rising. Before, the pump stopped working, the temp wouldnt do anything like this. Cpu is a ryzen 7 2700x so its not like it's overworked. I just want to make sure the pumps dead before i buy a new one or if somethings glitched.
Dealing with this exact issue right now. 5 year old AIO and for no apparent reason temps are reaching 100C and shutting the pc down. Tried repasting it and refilling it since mine has a fill port on the pump block. Neither helped. Pretty confident the pump isn't working anymore.
Useful video. I have a different scenario. 6 month old aio, suddenly getting very high cpu temps. Aio is showing lots of rpm in the bios. That's a dead aio or not?
I just had this issue! After pulling my hair out and trouble shooting for 6 hours and reapplying new thermal paste. I watched this video! It was a tremendous help! my cpu temps after boot and maybe 1 min running was 87 c and the system shuts down. Nothing in the tubes I can feel. I unplugged my CPU power to the MB .and the system now doesnt shut down it keeps the fans and Rgb and power on.. pretty sure its the AIO its 3 years old tomorrow so I'm going to go get a new one after work. Hopefully thats it! I'm dying slowly inside every day I can't load into the DMZ.. its been 1 day 🤣😂
Hi guys, I think I've traced my overheating issues to my AIO. I can feel liquid running through - the vibration in the pipes is there - but one of them is warm and one if them is cool and not regulated as Greg stated it should be. From a thermodynamic perspective it is clear no heat is being exhausted. The radiator exhaust is at room temperature and should be warm air. No idea how to solve this though :/ Any ideas?
I haven't had the best luck with AIO's but my last one was a 240 msi aio with the pump in the radiator and when I'd turn my pc on there was a loud grinding noise and ever since that happened my cpu (5900X) temps would climb to 95 when load was introduced but on idle it was around 70's. Funny thing is my gpu has an aio (from factory) and never had any issues with it a year in now but cpu AIO's I'm on my 4th. My current is a Corsair HH100i Elite Capellix. If this one fails anytime soon I'm going with air.
![CPU Overheating? [WATCH THIS!]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vSj6qp2ZbCE/mqdefault.jpg)
brb currently filming the new IT expansion update for PC Building Simulator 🤓
I have found the IT expansion very addictive. I look forward to the video!
Ohohohohoh yes- can’t wait for that video to drop!!!!!
Give me that fault AIO
I'm enjoying it quite a lot, being free is icing on the cake.
PC BS needs a few small additions to make it feel a bit more realistic. For the business sim there should be some data migration tools added as well as the option to reformat or reinstall the OS on a machine. IRL there's not much worse you can do than wiping a customers data. If a customer asks you to replace the HDD they expect you to either migrate the complete installation or do your best to copy their data if the old drive is failing. Very seldom will they however want to take the cost of having the drive sent to a data recovery company, though that happens now and then.
In the IT expansion I got stuck on a job where I was to wipe the drive and reinstall a clean OS. While that sounds easy enough it frustrates me that the only way to do that is by installing a new never used drive. That's not "Reinstalling the OS".
Also it's a bit weird never to have customers lie and try to scam you. I guess having worked in the business for more than 30 years tends to make you a bit cynical about customers.
🔥EZ how to simulate a dead AIO pump tutorial🔥
Step 1. Unplug Pump connector
Step 2. Thermal throttle hell
Step 3. Hope the system won’t cra-
My corsair h75 120mm AIO died while I was sleeping, woke up to burning tech smell and loudly revving computer fans as the computer like you said simply turned itself off and tried to reboot. However as I had been sleeping and not noticed the AIO must have had water left inside it that reached boiling, eventually literally blowing the gasket on the pump and it was literally dripping on the graphics card as the computer was stuck in a boot loop. Quickly turned off the computer and ripped the AIO out and after replacing it with a Noctua NH-D15, nothing was actually broken. Talk about a miracle.
Greg, thank you for the amazing content, I've started my own small PC business because of you, so far it's going really well, wish you the best and that you keep doing it, really appreciate it
That is _awesome!_ Let me know if I can ever help! Would love to chime in on a Skype call or something.
@@GregSalazar that'd be absolutely amazing! I'll sure hit you up, thanks for replying, literally made my day lol
Videos bro
@@apocalypse3039 you should make some vids on pc builds someday
@@GregSalazar - hey Greg I have an HP laptop that won't start up. Bought a new battery, new ram and even had a shop look at it and nothing. I know you don't feature laptops on this channel but I'd be willing to send it to you. I'll pay shipping both ways if your willing to feature it. Thanks.
Now while I'm a fairly advanced PC user/builder/fixer I will say this...it's refreshing to see someone like Greg here educating folks on what to look for when it comes to PC part failures. I actually like the way this channel is going, the fix or flop series can be highly useful for a lot of folks out there. I've had AIO pump failure long ago...it can and does happen as Greg here has tried to demonstrate. Learn from the videos this man produces folks because honestly he's doing the community a huge help here.
yes this is good to watch I'm learning a lot about diagnostics
I've started buying used parts, building, and flipping PCs and your channel has been the most helpful on all of youtube for building and diagnosing hardware issues. Thank you so much Greg
This happened to me this past week and i’ve been trying to figure out what was wrong with my CPU. Timing couldn’t be better Greg thank you!
Honestly, most mobos have a pump header. Where you can check RPMs.
Some mobos can even give a warning when the pump does not report rpms.
Thanks a lot! I literally used your video as proff for the company that sold me a AIO with a defective water-pump! They were trying to say it was a "user error" but I had followed their own "installing tutorial" on their own channel! Thanks a lot! On my way to get a new AIO!!!
I had the same problem as shown on video! My PC has a Intel i3 9100f ( CPUs are really expensive here in Brazil, so, I'm not currently able to buy a better one ) wich is a really "cold" CPU. I've added a AIO so I could get more space in my case for the future high profile memory and for the looks of it.
This happened to me! I was reusing my 3700X and the 240mm AIO I had and moving them to an ITX case for a living room setup. When cutting cable ties, I somehow managed to just partially cut one of the cables for power delivery for the pump. The cut was so small, I didn't even notice it until I ran into issues - and even then first assumed the pump had somehow given out. Thankfully some twisting wires and electrical tape later it was fixed.
this was a really great explanation. i spent 2 days trying to figure out what was wrong just to find out my pump is dead only after like a year of getting my PC.
what was your solution? because i got the same problem.
@@sim2326 reached out to nzxt for a replacement since my prebuilt + the radiator was still under warranty.
Thanks for the help! My temps suddenly skyrocketed one day and I now know why.
Super helpful, learned my pump never had fluid, it's been like that for 7 years, now it's failing because the fans are finally dying, we had strong fans
I know you were talking about AIO's, but this is exactly why I have a flow indicator in my custom loop
Yessssssssss! Great video!! I wish you would do a build with the Asus X Noctua 3070 collab. I would love to see a brown and beige build. Keeep up the great content.
the Floor Imaging part was really helpful thx
The tube thing is spot on, my dead AIO (which I suspect the pump died) had 1 wire that was hot and one cold. Also could not feel any vibration going through the tubes
I can feel vibration in my tubes, but very cleary have a hot one and a cold one. What could that mean?
I also noticed that the radiator was at or very close to room temperature in the dead pump senerio. And visibly hotter with the pump running. Look at the flip images closely at the top and bottom of the fan frame.
thanks the flir image confirmed that my aio is having problems - i can feel one tube is way hotter than the other
Never thought I would need to search this. But thank PC Gods that you are here !!!
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10:22 “I know Intel at this point would’ve shut off”
Tbh Greg I ain’t so sure because Dawid does tech stuff did a video recently with his 10900K pushing a 5.1GHz all core boost while pegged at 115c!!! on an NZXT motherboard. Maybe it was just his specific chip but if you didn’t use temperature monitoring software then you think that chip was just fine thermally.
AFAIK the maximum safe operating temp might be 90/95/105 depending on the chip, but then they'd shut down after reaching 5-10C more
@@kaziu2eq Yeah, but that depends on the BIOS. You can turn thermal protection off (at least on some mobos), should you want to.
Greetings from the Arab world, and thank you for adding an explanation of translation into Arabic, your content is beautiful, and I wish you all the best 🌹❤
Holy crap you looked into my soul with that intro. Thats exactly what has been happening to my pc recently. (same blue screen and everything) The funny part is that i didnt even look up this vid. I just saw it in my recommended because im already subbed.
No feeling in the hoses. 99 degrees Celsius constantly and didn't ever drop. My pump was definitely dead and im glad i made the right decision replacing it.
10:22 I am sure Intel won't shut off at this point. German overclocker Roman managed to run a full loop of cinebench on an Intel CPU (I believe it was 8th gen, but I don't think more recent CPUs differ so much in this aspect) without even a cooler mounted. The AMD didn't managed to do this in his test.
had this trouble a couple days ago and i remembered this video, it was probably a combo of an air bubble and bad thermal paste application but so far im back down to 60s instead of 90s under load. Thanks for this Vid, it really does help! Great content.
This is like Fix or Flop Behind the Scenes!
Someone gets it! :-D
@@GregSalazar lmao
Im so happy you have reached 700,000 subs you deserve so much more recognition
I really appreciate that!
@@GregSalazar Forgot Bitcoin to the moon, Greg Salazar to the Moon!
I would like to see how it returns to it real frequency, but just by seeing the temperature is a great way to see how cooling works
I just found out that I got an AIO Pump in my machine, when I specially stated on purchase that I didn't want a pump in my computer because I knew they were bad & causes nothing but problems.
And now I'm here, after finally realizing what was cooking my PC for over a month.... Clearly a faulty Pump that throws me up to 100c when trying to boot games.
Great.
This should be a great watch while I scream internally.
What happened was within my expectations and nothing new but still nice to see a demonstration.
Also I noticed that your captions are in a bunch of languages now aside from english because of another comment, and damn that is cool!
Literally had this issue about a month and a half ago and took a round about way to get to replacing my AIO but in the process learned alot more about my PC build. I guess cheap china AIOs with RGB logos die quite often.
Expensive ones die as well, I just had a Corsair H150i (300€) fail on me after roughly 1 month of use.
Thanks for all you awesome content in this time of GPU high prices preventing most ppl from building with recent GPUs. Really useful information in this video and your two series, fix or flop and deep cleaning are awesome.
And this is why after weighing my choices between air and aio for my new system, I decided to stick with air cooling. A bit of undervolting and proper case ventilation is all I need to keep the CPU happy.
Im feel so lucky to find ur yt channel after I burn an aio on my old pc ,now I have built a new one ~1500€. max temp on gaming 65°
For me, what I noticed when there is a dead AIO:
1. Pump noise is extremely loud and annoying (although not all dead aios show this symptom)
2. Can't hear the sound of water moving through the AIO
3. Incredibly high temps in the BIOS.
Also you should feel the fluid in the tubes moving. If you don't feel any vibration from it, the pump is likely dead.
I didnt figure out a failing AIO immediately the first time it happened to me. I will say my pump was "clicky" a few weeks before it shit the bed, and when it did, the tubes were hot af
For me, what I noticed when there is a dead AIO:
1. Pc can't turn on anymore.
2. Pc no longer there.
3. realise i don't have pc yet.
@@Shizzmoney74 my rad did that too, I couldn’t figure it out until I realized the fan was overcompensating and I couldn’t feel water flow through it
Recently my aio has started making a gurgling noise, louder when it turns on, and quieter afterwards. I can still feel liquid moving through it and my temps are the same as before. Should i be worried?
Had a Rosewill PB120-RGB 120mm AIO die on me for my Ryzen 7 3700X (not OC'd). It worked well for the about 8 months. Noticed some serious lag in GTAOnline after playing for about half an hour, especially in the grass heavy areas. But still no random shutdowns, or dead pump sounds. Checked Ryzen to see what was up only to see it capping at 95*C.
Immediately went out to Bestbuy to grab a Corsair H100i and then tried to get in contact with Rosewill/Newegg for return/replacement.
That was three months ago. Never heard anything back. One year ownership will be in nine days (11/12)
I've already thrown it away because I lost hope on anyone getting back to me. Really surprised it never shut the system down. Have nothing but good to say about the H100i, saved the fan from old AIO because it was RGB and use it as an exhaust now.
Good info. Can't count the number of times in forums and discord and such where they say, no I have an AIO can't be that causing the temps, the fans are spinning.....
Thanks for doing this kind of stuff, my Pump is fine but making the switch from a traditional CPU Fan to this kind of cooling left me a bit paranoid so It's good to know what to watch out for.
Yup! I am 47 now, and back in the day I let the smoke out of a number of CPU's prior to there being built in protection. Those angry pixies are not forgiving!
You can tell by the pump not making any noises anymore. All the AIO's ive had, Coolermaster, SilentiumPC and Arctic, have this slight coilwhiney sound whenever the pump is on (on being over 70%).
Technically yes, but not everyone has their fans running silently. With 12 fans spinning full speed, I would never know by sound. Touching the tubes to feel liquid flowing is alot easier to tell.
@@wickedwonka999 i mean to be completely honest dont Ryzen chips like insta throttle due to the voltage it pushes by default? I remember when got my first AIO and i forgot to plug the pump, it booted up and went 80 insta.
I guess a lot of ppl dont mind their temps.
My Corsair H150i Elite Capellix just started making a noise like that today. A slight whine I could hear over everything else. Had it a little over 2 years, feels a bit soon to die.
Thank you so much for this! Just built my first pc today and I was suspecting a faulty cooler as my CPU temps were in the high 90s just idle. Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I will definitely look forward to more of your content! =D
My pump died today (Deepcool Captain), completely caught me by surprise. It's a couple weeks shy of its sixth birthday so it's lasted for a long time, but I had no idea what was wrong until I realized the radiator fans were blowing cold air and the pump was burning hot. I checked Task Manager and my CPU was underclocking itself to try to not die from overheating, a behavior I've never seen before. I've seen AMD CPUs automatically overclock themselves to death, but I've never seen a CPU try to underclock to save its own life. Was killing my FPS playing Guild Wars 2.
Great Timing... My AIO pump quit 2 weeks ago!
Honestly this is good for me as my AIO is around 8 years old.
Holy that a long time. Did u mount your aio on the top or front of the case?
Only top is optimal solution
U should change it before it explode water all over ur pc parts and don't tell me it works fine u just don't wanna take that risk of having ur aio failing on u on the wrong time it's best to get a new aio
@@ar1xx._.626 . Top of the case, because it was the style at the time.
See people? Proof that positioning your aio properly will keep it alive. 8 years, wow.
Looks like the Castle 120R did a good job, I’m thinking of picking one up for my mini itx case build.
Along this theme of "I do it so you don't have to", I'd love to see more experiments like what happens if you just pull ram out during operation. What happens if you pull a CPU out, what happens if you add nvme drive with system on etc etc. Strange things people may have wondered but wouldn't have the hardware spare to try.
Ram: screen pixels turn half green kinda, it's weird
CPU: screen freezes on that frame
NVME: System turns off (at least it does for me)
i've put my computer thru alot of stuff while it's turned on lmfao. those 3 were by mistake tho.
550 MHZ? That's pretty good bro! I get like at least 2 MHZ!
Edit: Thanks for the heart Greg!
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@@P2PC *sad violin noises*
Brother I’m having a similar issue but not exactly like that , from what I gathered from your video my pump is okay , but I’m having some of the most unusual temp hikes you can find right after boot , like 30c to 105c inside of 2min ( and then after 3-5 reboots ) temps stay under 45c even under extreme use or gaming. Any help at all you can provide ? Thank you ahead of time
room temp behined the fans and one tub really hot and one not..... you just found the hidden problem thank you!!!!
Snagged an OEM Windows 10 key with that code, thanks a bunch
So it's probably not going to instantly die or boil the water and explode if the pump dies when the CPU is at full load. This was actually one of my biggest phobias in therms of water cooling. The other is it leaking on the motherboard and everything. Might consider an AIO instead of an absolutely enormous air cooler in my next build now.
You don't have to simulate this for me, it happened with my very first AIO after a few years. A good ol' Corsair H100. Which they replaced with an H100i when the pump died (and I believe the H100i still works, but I replaced it with a Le Grande Macho RT in my "server" computer since it is in an unused room, so I can't just... see the thing. The heatsink is big enough on that thing that if the fan dies, the CPU will still be fine.
Man, I feel the tubes vibrating, but my radiator isn't heating up at all, and my CPU temp is climbing to over 80 C in the BIOS despite my entire build being out of the case rn...
Great video. Found out my h115 pump was dead.. I can't believe I was running games on 600mghz due to heat!
Question, will a dead pump make a noise similar to a fan hitting debris? I have an awful buzzing noise and I've checked all of my fans. Thanks
I have a loud whirring humming noise coming from what seems to be my AIO. Is that an indication of a bad pump? Only a month old :(
Radiator soundin' like a fresh bowl of Rice Krispies. Perfect time of year for components to go out right? 😬
Have you seen where the pump is in fact running but cavitating? Just pulled mine out to replace the optical drive and the pump was loud on startup ... overheated. Fairly sure that what little air the aioc had in the sealed system found it's way to the pump.
Anxiously waiting for that counter on your shelf to read 1,000,000 😎
me watching this as my cpu is idling at 100 after redoing my thermal paste, checking pump, etc. lmao.
Loving the playlist
I have a weird incident with my partner's gaming pc (not even a year old system, self built) . The night before everything ran perfect and as it should but, slept over night (we did have a storm that night but the pc is connected to a sturge protection extention cord) and in the morning when we booted up the pc, the temps climbed straight to 80 then 90 and then around 100. Rebooted pc but problem still existed. At this point, I thought the aio pump had died. We opened the pc up, cleared bios, reconnected all the aio pins and fan pins, reseated the aio water block. After all this plus stress, we turned the pc back on and everything was stable again, temps were back to normal, ideal around 29/30c and the aio seems fine. The pump works as it should. It was extremely strange and not normal, maybe the pump frozed up or some bios setting happened to freak the system out because even in the bios menu the temps would reach too high (hence why I thought it was the pump). Still not really sure what happened but I'm thankfully it's resolved.
i was having exactly this problem. then i noticed my pump died. but it was "working", just very slow. thanks god I manage to fix it
How did you fix it?
Thanks for helping me and my reoccurring nightmare. If AIO manufacturers used clear, flexible tubing, this would not be a problem. Is it possible to replace the original non-transparent tubes with clear tubing? I would like to see a video on how to do this.
DAMN IT, I never thought to feel the air at the radiator. My son's Ryzen 9 system was always at 90 degrees, even with a Corsair aio... we gave up and switched do a Wraith cooler, and it's still hot but 80 degrees. We're gonna just get a Noctua tower soon.
I'm gonna test that aio again, on a new i9 build to see if it is dead, or we did something wrong.
so i touched my aio tubes but one tube seems to have vibration but the other one is very faint. is that normal? or should i be feeling like the same amount of vibration from both tubes?
I have same issue was your pump dead ?
Hi Greg, I had an i7 4690k powered up in windows just doing some generic tasks without the pump plugged in and the temps were up & down between 90 - 105 degrees c and the system did not shut off, granted it got very sluggish though! So the comment you made about if it were an intel chip it would've shut off by now isn't strictly true!
Please don't get me wrong Greg I'm not trying to disrespect you at all and I enjoy watching your content but as an I.T tech I felt I had to say something! Anyway, keep up the good work.
I learned the hard way back in 1994 or 95 I started my PC without a fan or heat sink on the CPU just to test it and I have to say it was a $350 mistake... :)
It's good to have a Noctua cooler. No need to worry about dead pumps and stuff. :)
Yea I got the big boy noctua cooler NH-D15, sooo good
@@dawnoftruth1 same here, my man. I have an NH-D15s.
I installed my first AIO like 2-3 weeks ago I thought it was broken. Had the pump plugged into the cpu_fan header and the sata cable was plugged in (or so I thought) and would get 95c on startup. Turns out that the sata cable could be plugged in backwards but not 100% fully seated which is why I thought it was plugged in but in reality it wasn't
I literally just convinced myself to try an AIO after several months of going back and forth on AIOs - spooking myself away from it with some reddit posts and stories about pumps failing and ruining parts. Fifteen minutes later, I come to YT and see this video in my timeline. That's a sign. I just don't know if it's a warning against getting one or a gentle nudge towards buying one, you know, by arming me with the knowledge to fix issues if they arise🤔.
I have an AIO and personally I'd prefer the hassle of setting up a full kit where I can swap a single part out. The only real thing I'd want from the AIO's is the LED tops on the heatsink (the expensive ones). Those can be really nice to just glance in and know temps or have fun effects.
@@Kmmlc same
So about 6 months ago I delided and put liquid metal on my 7700k and overclocked it to 4.9 GHz at 1.38v. This was stable with prime95 and a max temp between 70 and 80C when running for a while. However, recently I noticed my fans ramping super high kinda spiking so I checked temps and I seem to be idling at 50C and when I run prime95 now it shoots straight up to 100C. I thought something maybe went off with the liquid metal or thermal paste so I redid both (twice now). I ended up getting same temps. If I turn the clocks back to stock I still idle around 50C but prime95 maxes out at 98C. I thought maybe the pump is bad but hw monitor shows the rpm and when I disable the PUMP rpm the temps do go up so that would indicate that the pump is working and I can also feel the vibration in the tubes. I have the be quiet silent loop 2 280mm with two Noctua 3000rpm fans. I'm kinda stumped atm.
Yikes, looks like my NZXT Kraken pump was dead on arrival, just built my first pc and I can’t even get through the first boot without getting to 60°C and having the system shut off, this was a great video though, I think I’ve finally found my problem
Greg, I know it’s an old video but have a question for you.
I’ve had a bad run of Arctic Liquid Freezer ii AIO’s that’s disturbing.
For starters have a 360mm in a tower PC that’s worked flawlessly, about year and half old.
Went over to Micro-ATX and went with a 240mm that was purchased April of 2023 and the pump died September 2023 (pump housing hot, lines/radiator cold)
Went thru the RMA process and didn’t want that PC down for a few weeks so bought a 280mm (didn’t realize at the time a 280mm would fit in the case. That one lasted 30 minutes till the pump died.
Called Arctic up and stressed how unhappy I was and they decided to upgrade the original defective 240mm with a 280mm (was told a new one would be sent, refurbish was sent instead scratches on the radiator, who cares free upgrade)
That one DOA, 90c in BIOS right away, rebooted went down to 32c. Okay maybe a bubble or glitch. Rebooted again shot up to 110c.
Back on the phone with Arctic, now pretty annoyed. They assured me they will send a brand new one this time.
Have you been seeing failures from the Arctic Liquid Freezer ii’s like this?
Even checked the fan header to make sure it has constant 12 volts (made a video) and all good there.
A running theory is they now run a single connector for the pump and fans which leaves the pump running 100% non adjustable which is fine and you can still adjust the fan curve. Wondering if the control board is the point of failure since this is a newer design. The first 280mm I bought was a Revision 7 so obviously they have had problems to revise them that many times.
Thinking the refurb they sent was a Cold Plate swap due to contamination and the cooling fluid was never replaced and it just plugged up the cooling fins immediately from the residual junk that should have been drained and replaced or scrapped.
Thanks.
My new PC recently had a broken AIO Pump. I recognized stuttering with the mouse on my desktop. After that started I saw in the task manager that the cpu is running only with 0.2 GHz which is really slow and caused by the throttling to prevent the system from being fried. I immediatly shut down my pc, let it cool down and opened the BIOS. In The BIOS I was able to see that the pump was not active because there were no rpm. After some troubleshooting and testing with cables I simply confirm that it`s the pump, so I returned it and got a new one. System is now back on and running normally.
Running my R7-3700x @ 4.5ghz Since 2/27/20 with Msi 240r AIO Liquid Cooler ( Never seen Temps above 73c ) Last week while Playing Skyrim modded Pc Se which is not Processor intensive was reaching high 80's to Low 90's ? While watching you're Video , first i disconnected the Pump : Temps Sky rocket .... Re-Connected pump : Temps dropped ( Only TH-cam running ) and Cpu is @ Stock Speeds Since last week. Felt the Tubes & i feel the Vibration of water running inside tubes. My Pc needs a Clean butt it isn't that bad & i have 6 x 120 fans in a Mid Tower Case. Gonna check the Thermal Paste next & need to find a video On how to check if there's enough fluid inside Radiator & other Fixes.
I just finished a Ryzen 9 3900x build for my new RIG.Msi RTX 2080 super gaming x trio and MSI MEG B550 Unify motherboard, 4000mhz ram. Overclocked to 4.4ghz all core. 1.38 volts. Cinebench R20 score 7700. Three SSD Drives. 2 WD SN750 SE 1tb drives, one Samsung 2.5 970. 120mm Assassin cooler. Msi MPG 750 watt 80 plus gold.
yikes u must’ve been on a tight budget
@@xraft7794 not really
Actually Pentium 4s had that feature even with the first Willamette core. I tried to run it without a cooler and it did shut down. Though the shutdown may have been disabled, can't remember as it was about 15 years when I tried that.
I'm here because I think my lian li Galahad 240mm is dead. The fans have been going hard since I put in a 7900x, but it's kept at least 71c but now I can't even get into windows before it shuts off. Trying to determine if bad pump or just can't handle the CPU. I have a new tower air cooler on order so thanks for the video showcasing how to tell. I wish I could have felt the tubes before this happened lol
plug your pump into you cpu fan header and have the warning set on in your bios to let you know if it stops working
Awesome Video Greg! Thanks so much. You helped me figure out the issue.
>so you don't have to
Corsair 240mm AIO died within a week, back when skylake was new (6600k). Microcenter's (2016) 30 day no question refund/replacement was awesome.
bios / idle temps at 70c+ was pretty sus, especially when the case was open.
maybe just me, but i always monitor my temps. i still use that gagets bar thing, like in vista. it works on W10, always see my CPU usage, temps, gpu usage and temps and actually more.
ran 280 AIO for 7 years non stop, never had a problem, probably got lucky. with AM4 upgraded to NH-D15 just to be safe. always monitor your CPU/GPU, its like car engine temps, you never know when that thermostat wont open...
It's a healthy habit!
Thanks for this. Very helpful for a 1st time builder
well now we can cook breakfast on the backplate of the 3090, PROGRESS!
The SATA to 12v connectors on my Be Quiet Pure Loop weren't fully seated the first power on and my R5 5600x throttled for at least 5 min before I realized, no damage done. Watch out for the connecters.
G'day Greg,
So all those who say that having an AIO or Custom Loop is like having a Time Bomb in your PC because if the Pump Fails your CPU Will Catch Fire & Explode were Lying?
🤔Who'd have thought that CPUs that are made to Regulate Frequency according to Temps would know what to do when they get too hot so they can Survive.
Can you make a video about static vs electric leaks from cases and how to prevent them?
I wouldn't worry about vibrations when you are feeling up the pipes. They are hopefully connected to the radiator with 1-6 fans mounted to it. That will create vibrations as well. He does hit the nail on the head later in the video where one hose is hot and the other is not. This is because of 1 of 2 things: The pump is broken, or the water is gummed up. In either case it's time to replace the AIO.
Im pretty sure my pump is dead. However, I use msi afterburner to check my system temps and the CPU temp looks different than what your test showed. Mine spikes up and down (5 to 10 degrees) while slowly rising. Before, the pump stopped working, the temp wouldnt do anything like this. Cpu is a ryzen 7 2700x so its not like it's overworked. I just want to make sure the pumps dead before i buy a new one or if somethings glitched.
Dealing with this exact issue right now. 5 year old AIO and for no apparent reason temps are reaching 100C and shutting the pc down. Tried repasting it and refilling it since mine has a fill port on the pump block. Neither helped. Pretty confident the pump isn't working anymore.
do you see more overheating on aio cooled vs fan/heatsink?
Useful video. I have a different scenario. 6 month old aio, suddenly getting very high cpu temps. Aio is showing lots of rpm in the bios. That's a dead aio or not?
Thanks, I am planning to buy a similar system and ill use an aio too!
I just had this issue! After pulling my hair out and trouble shooting for 6 hours and reapplying new thermal paste. I watched this video! It was a tremendous help! my cpu temps after boot and maybe 1 min running was 87 c and the system shuts down. Nothing in the tubes I can feel. I unplugged my CPU power to the MB .and the system now doesnt shut down it keeps the fans and Rgb and power on.. pretty sure its the AIO its 3 years old tomorrow so I'm going to go get a new one after work. Hopefully thats it! I'm dying slowly inside every day I can't load into the DMZ.. its been 1 day 🤣😂
Got that same case...I love it
Hi guys,
I think I've traced my overheating issues to my AIO. I can feel liquid running through - the vibration in the pipes is there - but one of them is warm and one if them is cool and not regulated as Greg stated it should be. From a thermodynamic perspective it is clear no heat is being exhausted. The radiator exhaust is at room temperature and should be warm air. No idea how to solve this though :/ Any ideas?
Love your videos, I'm learning so much from your videos
I haven't had the best luck with AIO's but my last one was a 240 msi aio with the pump in the radiator and when I'd turn my pc on there was a loud grinding noise and ever since that happened my cpu (5900X) temps would climb to 95 when load was introduced but on idle it was around 70's. Funny thing is my gpu has an aio (from factory) and never had any issues with it a year in now but cpu AIO's I'm on my 4th. My current is a Corsair HH100i Elite Capellix. If this one fails anytime soon I'm going with air.