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Welcome to The Vault! A series in which we cover some of the lost media hiding inside of the Library of Congress archives! In tonight's episode we take a look at three lost American Gundam concepts that never made it to air, Revolution, Colony 4VG9 and 4776!
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You are The Queen of finding lost media, Ray Mona!👑
Thank you so much for finding the lost American Gundam adaptations! I watched the original Gundam on Toonami as a kid. Can't wait to see the pilot trailer.
She truly is da queen
Those treatments were super in depth, but throughout it all im just wondering "okay where does the Gundam come in"
4776 seemed to be heading in the right direction until 'galactic' became the base unit of measurement.
SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale.trope
That was my exact thought, too.
Right they weren't bad, the second came close to being Gundam but I'm glad these didn't get a Gundam logo slapped over them. They both remind me more of Macross or Yamato with the aliens, which weren't in Gundam until 00.
@@MechaHebikageI entirely agree the 4776 proposal sounded more like a SBY remake than Gundam.
@@MechaHebikage When I think 'what is the common theme of Gundam' it is that war is bad for everyone, the next generation are our hope to try and break the cycle, but war itself tends to break those very young people to perpetuate itself. Very much the 'held down by gravity' thing. And I get none of that from either of these treatments.
As strange as the first two rejected scripts were, if you're a Gundam fan who's seen Awakening of the Trailblazer, it sure feels surreal to think that was the direction they wanted to head so early on.
I was even getting some straight 00 vibes from some of the things mentioned in the second concept as well, like the habitable ring encircling the planet
Huge Gundam nerd here. These are *fascinating.* First and foremost, thank you for the immense service you have done unearthing these. This shit is history.
As some have already stated in the comments, environmentalist themes are very prevalent in Gundam - in fact, the ultimate end of the rivalry between the original protagonist, Amuro Ray, and his rival Char Aznable was specifically because Char wanted to turn Earth into a preserve to let it heal after all the wars...
By forcing a nuclear winter by dropping a massive asteroid on the planet. But alas, Char is fucking nuts.
4GV9 feels more like what Harmony Gold did to Macross, a complete butchery of the original themes. But 4776 and even Revolution still feel like Gundam, deep down. Especially the latter, it brings to mind similar plot points brought up in Gundam AGE back in the 2010s. And one last funny little tidbit, the Jovian Empire is actually a thing in Gundam canon. Instead of aliens though, they're just human colonists who got a little too high on their own power and needed to be dealt with before forcing their totalitarian regime on the whole Earth Sphere. I could go on, there's a TON of juicy details we can compare and contrast to exsiting Gundam shows.
4776 sounds like Voltron cosplaying the United States.
Degwin Zabi: "Are you familiar with the man they call Shickelgrubber, my son?"
Yeah, Gundam already had outright allusions to WW2 and the "German National Socialists". That reference was on the nose, but not super out of place for the franchise.
The Gundam fans will get you to 70K in no time. Maybe even 100K.
I suddenly hear "Jovian Empire", and my brain goes straight to Martian Successor Nadesico.
That narrator brings back memories of old VHS commercials, more along the lines of WB/Fox videos than Disney. Disney overused Brian Cummings, specifically, and that doesn't sound like Brian Cummings to me. Also makes me think of Voltron: The Third Dimension, such as that was.
Also, every time I see '90s CG, I'm reminded of The Mind's Eye video series by Odyssey Productions. Pretty much, everyone from Pixar to Mainframe to PDI to Will Vinton Productions to even The 3DO Company submitted CG-animated "shorts" to be on these Mind's Eye DVDs/videos. That DVD series ended when Shrek arrived, more or less, when CG-animated films became the standard instead of a novelty.
All they need is a plucky chef who wants nothing to do with the war, a nigh unstoppable ship and a tv show that becomes a religion.
the Jovian Empire was a thing in Gundam F91 mainly it's sequel manga Crossbone Gundam .the Jupiter energy fleet is a ongoing problem since the original series since there by Treaty a neutral force but usually end up siding with the current bad guys.
This is very interesting. Both treatments have little to nothing to do with Gundam as a whole, other than the environmental themes which are very present in Gundam as a whole. Still I think the idea for the story of the first treatment sounds really cool and I would’ve loved to see it all fleshed out as I think it had the makings of a great story. The second treatment has a few more similarities to Gundam such as one of the villain characters being quite sympathetic and ideas like humans being able to transmit thoughts to one another, which is somewhat similar to the Newtypes of Gundam. While I personally find the first treatment more interesting, the second treatment feels more fleshed out. However of the 3 projects shown in this episode Revolution is the closest to what Gundam is. It looks surprisingly faithful to the Gundam franchise.
the first treatment is more Duinbine than Gundam. Dunbne had Bio mecha.
A lot of our childhoods were almost very very different. It's kinda scary actually, this is like the alternate timeline from hell.
I can’t believe you found this. This is huge!
That said, environmental themes are very prevalent in Gundam, especially the philosophy at the heart of the wars in the original 1980s titles and even the main motivations of the big bad from G.
While I’m sure they were happy to capitalize on it for Children’s Programming Standards in the US, it’s absolutely a core theme in the original.
Exactly. A lot of these are just "space war concepts"
The reason the space colonies exist in Gundam is because of overpopulation and environmental damage. One core conflict is how the Earth Federation used forced emigration to move billions of people into space with the people allowed to remain on Earth called elites.
They all remind me of the Dozy Bots pitch basically a totally new idea that just used the Gundam products to fill in gaps.
The thing is, at least to my knowledge, Doozy Bots was apparently a pitch made directly by Bandai and Sunrise in Japan. Perhaps they thought that the SD Gundam toyline would be popular in the U.S., but since kids in America wouldn't have any knowledge of what SD Gundam was making reference, since no Gundam anime aired in the U.S. yet and the SD Gundam shorts wouldn't have worked either, since they also required prior knowledge, making a brand new show to promote the toyline was a more logical, especially if it was similar to cartoons from that era like Captain Planet. Sunrise did some work for in U.S. cartoons like Batman TAS and Street Fighter
It also reminds how the game Keith Courage in Alpha Zones was just a video game based on the Sunrise anime Mashin Eiyūden Wataru, Hudson Soft just changed the names and made some new art and made it the pack-in game for the Tubografx-16
The Anti-Jovian Earth Patriot stuff is so interesting when you compare it to the way the post-war generation creatives who worked on the first few Gundams wrote these kinds of stories. Trying to make them an eclectic mishmash of old American enemies, a "bear hug" vision of oppression where the oppressed lack nothing but autonomy, insisting that there won't be that many named Jovian characters "since they always lose in the end anyway", this would feel radically different from any Gundam series so far.
I was thinking the same thing! The original series, and in fact pretty much every entry in the series, focus a lot of attention on the human impact of conflict as a whole, plus how the supposed enemies are more similar to the protagonists rather than some mob of faceless monsters.
It feels so un-Gundam (Undam?) to do a 180 on those themes and go full-on "Woo patriotism rules! America is the best!! Who needs nuance or understanding when you can blow up your enemies!!"
Gundam has always done shades of grey when it comes to morality. The Zeon leadership is undoubtably evil, ordering atrocities that killed billions of people. But there are heroic figures on their side. Ramba Ral wasn't presented as monstrous, especially in the Origin manga.
The Earth Federation, while not evil, could definitely be calloused and amoral. In Zeta Gundam, the Fed gives power to a legitimately evil organization in the Titans.
I feel that such moral ambiguity definitely wouldn't fly in American kids programming. Probably not even now, but certainly not in the 90s.
And I'm sure this American Gundam wouldn't go into its hero losing his innocence and experiencing the trauma of war like Amuro did.
@@fattiger6957 With how animation is less beholden to Standards and Practices due to being more prevalent on cable and streaming services, cartoons with moral ambiguity would be easier to produce. As weird and ridiculous as the fandom could be, Steven Universe had that at times. Same with the Avatar cartoons and Young Justice. Were any of them as complex as Gundam? Not from what I've seen but they are leaps ahead writing-wise of the cartoons I watched as a kid (ex. G.I Joe, X-Men, Batman: TAS). If anything, what tends to limit animation in this country is the need to make back the budget of these series. So if merchandise can not be sold with the show then it's not going to be around for too long unless if the show brings in a lot of ad money as well.
oh man, when SaberSpark took over reading the lines, I immediately had to check the description cause I needed to make sure my ears weren't deceiving me. can't wait for episode 2!
I had to make sure I didn't accidentally go to a different video, cuz that happens a lot with touch screens, and I watch enough Cyberspark to get recommendations of his videos.
Damn ray is out doing themselves
As a gundam fan and fan of these lost media anime junky im all here for it
Victory Gundam from 1993 DOES have a Jupiter (IE Jovian) Empire, but they were humans and not aliens. These pitches are so far removed from the existing Gundam series though. You could draw comparisons from the psychic powers of the Newtypes to the psychic aliens in the pitches, but it's a stretch.
The trailer actually has some resemblance to Char's plan in the movie Char's Counterattack, forcing humanity to leave earth so the environment could recover, but that plan was thwarted.
Also Pap smear was from Jupiter
This video is amazing congrats on more amazing uncoverings.
I’m a Gundam fan and picking the differences and similarities out in these treatments and trailers was a trip.
Of the two treatments, the most interesting to me is 4776 because if there were no aliens and both factions were human then it would be very similar to zeta Gundam in that it’s an earth wide civil war with one side looking down on the other.
Revolution, to me, seems like the Gundam series we got in another dimension. the premise described in the trailer is VERY Gundam! I’m impressed with whoever came up with the concept because it feels like they genuinely understood a lot of Gundam’s themes. Of course these all have creative liberties and such since hey are adaptations but I think Revolution fits most closely with OG Gundam’s themes of earthnoids vs spacenoids (humans in earth vs humans in space)
20:10 It's interesting how even in archives lost media can get even more lost.
The context for this trailer is probably still there, just not in any searchable format.
You’re finding quite a bit of lost media. Can’t wait to see about the upcoming lost Dragon Ball Adaptation video soon.
I was just thinking I didn't know what to watch, let's go new Ray Mona!
Damn, Saberspark over here with some deep history!!! Maria Schicklgruber was 42 and unmarried when she gave birth to a boy, Alois. She never identified who the father was. When she finally married almost 5 years later, Alois was baptised and adopted by his father, Johann Georg Hiedler. Alois Heidler eventually married his third wife, Klara Pölzl, and together had 6 kids. Their fourth was named Adolph.
didn't even know they tried to do an american gundam. Fascinating.
These aren't even the only ones! Look up The Doozybots. There was also a live action FMV game.
They also tried way back in the 80s. The legendary Syd Mead was even picked up to make concept art for a planned American Gundam movie.
The movie obviously never happened, but Syd Mead did go on to design the Turn A Gundam.
There's also Doozy Bots.
What a fabulous way to kinda start the year off with. Lost media with da queen of finding lost media
Your seriously one of the best finders of Lost Media I have ever seen! This is legit insane to be honest!
That pitch pilot pan read sounded like it tried way too hard to make a series. Idk
The first script reminded me of RoboTech.
The trailer reminds me of the Gundam video game.
The Revolution pilot is probably the closest to actual Gundam - the Space-born and the Earth-born finding themselves having conflicting, yet understandable interests and coming to war to preserve those interests. With better acting, it probably would've evolved into a cult classic despite the even-then awful CG.
The two cartoon pitches are interesting in how they both depend on aliens being the antagonistic force whereas Gundam didnt do that until the 00 movie. Before and since then, conflicts have always been human on human, in some capacity or another. 4779 probably gets closer to Gundam themes with its allusions to world history, albeit with the sides being almost completely robbed of the nuance an actual Gundam would have.
The Colony one is probably my favorite of the pitches just as an overall scifi premise, not so much anything to do with Gundam, where the robots there seem almost shoehorned in.
Ahhhh I was wondering if anymore of these american adaption attempts would be found, I followed the saban moon search for over a decade and now im excited to see more unearthed!! :")
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That is very sweet of you, thank you!🥰
Glad after 2 treatments that had pretty much nothing to do with gundam the trailer actually was a pretty decent version of the typical gundam setup and themes (even if quite cheesy looking).
Whoa, Sabrespark cameo!!
The Jovian script sounds like a great time; not as Gundam, but as its own thing
It exist already.
It is called Martian Successor Nadescico although the aliens turned out to be just otakus
@@miragebangbravernGekigengar for life lol
@@miragebangbravernSeeing two grown men fighting because one of them chose a real girl over their anime waifu is still one of the best thing I've seen.
That, and a guy making a copy of his bro's mecha with GAY written on it in bright red letters.
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Man, if only they hadn't turned it into an edgefest with the prince of darkness, we could've had more nadesico.
@@neogranzong The fact we'll never see an end to this story is the saddest part.
It was not only a betrayal of everything that made Nadesico, it's also the last seen we've ever seen of the serie (I've heard it was supposed to be a trilogy of movies originally iirc).
It's kinda funny how each of these feels like it has so little in common with Gundam. 4GV9 sounds like it could have been interesting if it wasn't meant to be a show for children in the style of Captain Planet, and while it has the least to do with Gundam, the premise could lead to interesting places, and the environmental theming actually makes it seem closer to themes actually potrayed in Gundam itself.
4776 sounds like it would be produced as in-universe war propaganda with how patriotic-nationalist it sounds, while this on the surface may sound more Gundamy (space war, a form of psychic power inherent in humans), the way the story is written sounds so jingoistic it's humorous to think that the anime famous for its anti-war sentiments would be "adapted" in this way.
Revolution is by far the most Gundam-seeming, with no aliens, a more morally ambiguous war between spacenoids and earthnoids, using giant robots. In a way, the set-up almost sounds like a version of Gundam in which Char was successful in attempting to put Earth into an envirnmental stasis, I wonder if it could have lead to interesting theming the way Gundam did. It seems somewhat promising seeing as how the war is described as "brother against brother" instead of the "just war" of thr 4776 pitch
"4GV9 sounds like it could have been interesting if it wasn't meant to be a show for children in the style of Captain Planet"
To be honest with you, I can't even tell who the target audience of ANY of these pitches even is. They seem a bit too deep, dark and complex for shows intended for kids, even at the time when western animated shows like Batman: The Animated Series had already come and gone and had more mature themes while still being kid's shows. These feel more like PG-13 sci-fi movies aimed at a teen or young adult audience, which would have been interesting given this was when adult animation was still in it's infancy and still trying to find it's footing in the entertainment landscape.
So awesome to see Ray get nearly 10,000 views in 24 hours. All of the amazing work that goes into these videos easily deserves that degree of success and honestly so much more!
If it wasnt for the Gundams in the trailer i would have assumed they were adapting captain harlock lol one of the harlock stories is about earth running out of resources due to pollution and he defends the earth from people wanting to stop its healing.
Exactly!💯
You are the best!! This is incredible. I am waiting with bated breath at what treasures you will show us next.
What an interesting find. Revolution, from what little we see of it, definitely feels like it's the closest to 'Gundam' as most people know it. 4776 is kind of a median point, there's definitely some visible Gundam trappings but also not. Colony is...I'm not sure how they got from Gundam to there but they sure did.
It does feel like if you played a game of telephone with the premise of the original Gundam
I feel like Revolution may have led into G Saviour.
And here I thought Americanized Gundam couldn't get any weirder than Doozy Bots and that one FMV game on the PlayStation...
Doozy Bots is the best Gundam series before G Saviour
Best darn american adaptations.
PLEASE do Doozy Bots! Been waiting for a higher-def copy of that pitch pilot for years
I think that pilot is even harder to track down, perhaps it's not even where Mona managed to find the pitches and the trailer. There have been rumors that some people have managed to see different cuts from the Doozy Bots pitch and said that the main antagonist would''ve been an SD version of the Sazabi, Char Aznable's main suit in Char's Counterattack. It's also important to know that Doozy Bots was an apparently an idea from Bandai and Sunrise's main offices in Japan, not something from the U.S. division of Bandai
Whoa never expected that there's Gundam spin-off from USA side
As a gun-ota I praised for your work to open the hidden box and explore more knowledge of this side of gundam
Look up Doozy Bots. Thank me later (or don't).
It’s impressive how you have found so much lost media and is releasing it for all to see unlike people who gatekeep it, excited to see what gets revealed next!
Honestly, if you removed the Gundam connection, the American adaptation would have been kind of ok. Don't know how the execution would turn out, but the premise was interesting
Thought the same. NGL-it’s a goofy trailer but I kind of like the concept.
Amazing find here. With The Vault, the many "What-if's" is gonna hit like tidal waves.
Yooooooooo! Start off Stronk with Gundam? Let's go!
Yoyoyoyoyoy hold up. I wonder if this is what led to G Saviour! The mech in the footage has the same shoulder style and thin biceps as the titular mech, and MC guy resembles Mark Curran. The Unities are, obviously the colonies or Sides.
Like, what if this was an early pitch for G Saviour?
While never being put in a ward, Frank Ward thankfully failed.
Still weird that he predicted 3D printing though.
That first pitch is wild. It feels like a mix between Megazone 23, the Zentradi from Macross and something like Jyu-Oh-Sei (A show that would come out a decade later). Aside from "Good people on the villainous side of the conflict" and some environmental themes, I would absolutely not assume it was a pitch for a Gundam series.
The second is a bit closer, but still pretty out there. The bare bones of the conflict are kind of reminiscent of some shows, until you bring up the hyper intelligent, advanced aliens and people being transmitted as molecular waves. Funnily enough, there actually is a Jupiter Empire in Gundam Crossbone
Revolution honestly seems pretty solid in comparison based on the brief trailer. It would be pretty generic and derivative in the grand scheme of things, but it definitely reads like a Gundam show.
You know, the Revolution pilot kinda gives me G-Saviour vibes. I wonder whether there's any actual connection between them (besides both being Western live-action/CGI hybrid takes on Gundam)?
There probably is. Syd Mead worked on an ill-fated Lionsgate live action version of Gundam beck in the 80s before it was shut down due to licensing. And he was tapped to design the Turn A Gundam mecha.
But the brief period between Revolution and G-Saviour doesn’t feel like a coincidence. They probably realized that it was far too big to work on a limited TV budget, especially with that hideous robot that makes Beast Wars and Voltron 3D look like Pixar movies by comparison.
Honestly? I honestly don’t understand why Renaissance Atlantic kept going with a hybrid approach for most of their pilots because even if they exited the pilot pitch stage? It would age like milk over a completely animated take. And unnecessarily expensive. Guardians of the Cosmos was the lesser evil and reminded me of the X-Men cartoon, with how it didn’t resort to using stock footage for every signature attack. That was something I’d probably watch.
Power Rangers worked because it was live action all the way with puppeteering. It’s kind of hilarious how much overthinking was done to bring these to America when the answer was to use practical effects or animate it entirely.
Can’t say with all the hype around Xena that a slightly more grounded live action take on Saint Seiya of the same caliber wouldn’t be a hit. Same as an entirely live action Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball or Gundam. Though the latter might be prohibitively expensive.
Come to think of it? Power Rangers Lost Galaxy’s Terra Venture looks quite similar to one of the rough colonies featured in Revolution. Maybe Revolution influenced it as well?
@@ByTheStorm now that you mention PR: Lost Galaxy, in both that show and G-Saviour they recycled the soldier's armor from the live-action adaptation of Starship Troopers, which its original book was one of the main inspirations for the original Mobile Suit Gundam. If Renaissance Atlantic was involved in both shows I can imagine them recycling some concepts
As you said, a live-action show would've been very expensive for an adaptation based on very fantastical properties like Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya. With Saint Seiya they tried a live-action (StarStorm) and a cartoon (Guardians of the Cosmos), but for Sailor Moon I can't believe they wanted to make a combination of both styles, that just makes it more difficult.
It's kind of obvious that Bandai wanted to bring their biggest properties to the U.S., but they thought the U.S. market wouldn't be as accepting as the European and Latin American ones, where standards are more relaxed and anime had been more popular for many years, compared to the U.S. where it was considered to niche. I suppose the huge success of Power Rangers made Bandai more adaptations that removed the Japanese elements.
I think these type of adaptations are still a thing to this day, seeing how badly were received the live-action adaptations of Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop and Saint Seiya (though this one was produced in China, not Hollywood). Only One Piece '23 managed to be well received
Trowa Barton (Gundam Wing) was one of my first anime crushes when the series his Cartoon Network in middle school. I don't where I would be today if Gundam Wing hadn't entered my life...well, I probably wouldn't be writing fanfiction at 35.
Hey nothing wrong with that, I'm a few years older.... I just haven't published anything.
The bigger problem is my tiny plastic robot model kit addiction though...
Do you write gundam fanfic? Asking for a friend
@@em23 Me? No sadly.
@AkumaSephitaro well hope your fics are awesome and don't stop writing.
Hey Ray Mona. I saw a poster for the forgotten anime adaptation of the Bōken Dankichi picture story on Japanese Twitter. It was nuts!
This is such good work.
Cool to hear rebel taxi and sabrespark.
Okay, definitely interested in the Tamagotchi adaptation.
Yess! More anime lost media adaptations from America. Thanks Ray!
Wooow 🙀. I never knew. you really are the ultimate treasure hunter
Nice video, by the way; who voiced the narrator in Revolution because he sounds familiar?
Amazing find & Amazing work
Wow the things you find these days are so cool. Never knew and wonder what other wild and crazy idea were lost in the past.
Out here doing the most valuable work. Finding lost media
The trailer really does feel like the most 'Gundam' adaptation of them all, but I would be lying if I said I didn't want to see 4VG9. I feel like it shouldn't have the GUndam name, but it would be a very cool sci-fi show if it could be it's own thing.
4779... I guess it could be cool too, but 4VG9 feels like it has a moree novel concept, at least one tha'ts more interesting to me as a non-USian. In terms of what would make the most long-lived and suitable show for the time and kid cartoon format, 4VG9 would definitely be my pick.
Had no idea there was a new vid. Glad I caught it!
Right away, it reminded me of the CG transformers animations that we see all over the place (No, I don't confuse transformers with Gundam lol I even have a tattoo and some Gunplas hehe). I also remembered a little bit of MS Igloo, but from afar. This finding of what was not born is interesting.
ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER GEM 🗣
Damn I can’t believe I missed this the first time. I gotta say this was an interesting way to bring Gundam to the US. The concepts are very sci-fi not to mention the story around aliens is definitely something for it’s time. As a kid born in 1999 and a fan of the series, I could imagine how different life with these being successful. The closest we had to something similar that same year was G-Saviour which was made to celebrate Gundam’s 20th anniversary not to mention was very heavy on CGI.
Not going to lie, if they both weren’t meant to be versions of gundam, I would have watched them! They sound cool
that second pitch sounds more like a super robot show
In what way?
The two scripts don't really feel too Gundam-like. 4VG9, with its heavy focus on bioengineering, could pass for its own thing, while 4776 comes a little closer to Gundam, but is too preoccupied with WWII and American Revolution references to get anywhere interesting. Also, why are they called Jovians? I didn't notice any mention of Jupiter. Revolution comes closer to being Gundam, but it is obvious that the war dynamics have been simplified for younger audiences.
As a huge Gundam fan, I want to thank you for making this video. I appreciate it very much. You have earned yourself a new subscriber. Keep up the outstanding work!
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Absolutely fantastic video!! Thank you so much for sharing, and I really cannot wait to see more! I’m honestly stoked to hear more about the Dragon Ball adaptation that never was. Ever since you shared the thumbnail with the Dragon Stars logo, I’ve been so excited!
They literally namedrop Hitler in the original Gundam show, so one of the American attempts using "Schicklgruber" for a name isn't that unfounded, lol.
Please do Yes! Precure 5's English Dub by William Wickler.
Thank you for finding this! So many rumors of Gundam pilots and here is actual footage! I wonder if Netflix's upcoming adaptation will be a streaming success?🤖
oh PLEASE tell me you found the doozybots promo
More lost media to be found in 2024
More like lost media that could have stayed lost.
Can't help but notice that either treatment don't even bother to mention mechs.
@@Bobby90
What do you mean?
@@shanandersson1779 What, that either take is 90's generic, or even mention mechs?
They could have them, but would likely give no reason for their existence. Gundam's MS were inspired by EVA pods for instance. Later play decisive roles early on the Zion side forcing the Federation to make a counter.
@@Bobby90
Hey! I'm the one who wants to find the lost media that never had to exist in the entertainment industry.
@@shanandersson1779 And I'm thinking is Goldblum's Jurassic Park quote.
"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
Unless it missing Doctor Who of course.
Incredible work on this!! Like many, Gundam Wing was my introduction to the franchise and remains a personal fave. Especially glad we “got” it now.
What an amazing find. Thank you for finding and showing off such a thing!
The first treatment, Colony 4GV9, reminds me a bit of Eureka Seven, which is another mech anime that involves an Earth terraformed by aliens, though I see people in the comments saying it reminds them of Macross as well. I'd say it could work as a concept on it's own, and it's probably the one that interests me the most (because I love cool alien creatures and such), but it's arguably the furthest from Gundam.
In regards to the second treatment, 4771, the moment I heard "Jovian Empire", I was reminded of yet ANOTHER mech anime, Martian Successor Nadeisco, which at the time this treatment was made (1999) already had a full English dub. But this one has NOTHING in common with that series, let alone Gundam, and instead just feels like a typical "Humans vs. Aliens" war series that Hollywood would make. In fact, it sounds A LOT like the infamous sci-fi novel "Battlefield Earth" from Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.
The third one, Revolution, actually LOOKS like Gundam and has a premise that SOUNDS like Gundam, right down to the "Earth vs. Space Colonies" premise, and by all means is probably the best one of the bunch. Being the first one of these made, before Colony or 4771, it makes me wonder just how the hell they managed to veer off so far from the source material into more "traditional" sci-fi territory, because Gundam is known for being relatively grounded in it's premise, which is part of it's appeal in the first place.
If I had to rank the three, it would go as Revolution first, Colony 4GV9 second, and 4771 third. I'd actually love to see Colony get made into a series because it actually sounds interesting and unique, just... without any ties to the Gundam franchise (needs more giant robots anyways, that's what we're here for most is the robots). Though my real question is who the intended target audience is for these three pitches, because it's hard to tell if they were intended for kids or for a much older audience, given how deep and dark their themes are.
At least the third one, Revolution, was somewhat "Gundam-y". Very interesting. I was expecting Doozie Bots, haha.
I cannot wait for us to get a live action gundum show or movie.
Those first two script pitches' stories were so confusing. That "Gundam Revolution" pilot does look a bit primitive even for '95, though I understand it was just a pilot pitch, and, unlike the other scripts, this one has some similarities with most Gundam shows regarding colonies and resources.
As with the Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya pilots, and the comments made by Pokémon developers saying Nintendo of America wanted to changed the designs of the titular monsters into something that would appeal more to North American kids, I think it's kind of a miracle in itself that anime managed to become popular in the U.S. since it seemed many people thought it wouldn't catch on, which is weird knowing how popular anime became in Europe and Latin America years before
I’m so excited to watch this!
Ray… This is seriously nuts…
As a gundam fan I’m happy to find this video. Thank you.
Aaaaa this is fascinating
I know I'm probably wrong but I can't help but go wild speculating what else could be in the vault. Now that we know these were still being made as late as 1999 Cardcaptor Sakura and Ojamajo Doremi could have very well been on the table. As for older more established stuff, Hokuto no Ken, Detective Conan, and the Pierrot magical girls like Creamy Mami seem plausible. Yu Yu Hakusho was also around that time period... We already have the pilot for Lupin VIII which eventually became Inspector Gadget, and Urusei Yatsura became Galaxy High, though who knows if other attempts were made for the latter. Maybe after Fox rejected the Rayearth dub they tried the Saban Moon approach... The fact Team Angel was made after the Dic dub of Sailor Moon means even stuff that's already been dubbed is a possibility.
And while it was never a merchandising powerhouse part of me still wants to believe Slayers might be among them, if not an Americanized adaptation than at least that cancelled Fox Kids edit from the early 2000s might still be out there.
I can't wait to find out even more, thank you so much! Amazing work! Sorry for dorking out speculating, I'm so excited.
I'd be very surprised for a french-american coprod (Inspector Gadget, and yes many seem to forget that DIC Entertainment was a french company) to have a Renaissance Atlantic version somewhere. But an Ojamajo Doremi english attempt before 4Kids did... its thing?! That'd be the sight. Especially since in 1999, it was only supposed to have one season.
@@majomist I never said anything about them making Inspector Gadget, rather Lupin the Third. But again this is all wild speculation and I'm probably wrong.
It always was odd that there was such an enormous gap between Doremi's release and its English dub.
I think I have to be thankful for having grown up with the Latin American dubs of various anime like Dragon Ball, Sakura Cardcaptor and Digimon, which were adapted very closely to the original Japanese versions. But I had to admit that part of me wishes to know how would have been U.S. original adaptations of Japanese properties, a Sakura Cardcaptor cartoon perhaps? I think the closest thing we got was the Street Fighter II cartoon, which I think is a good reference since I remember how in Cartoon Network Latin America they aired it alongside the Street Fighter II V anime, it served as a good comparison between U.S. and Japanese animation in regards to adapting the same thing
It would be an absolute revelation if you got a SLIM or MLIS degree. 👀
Very interesting (and quite cursed), Revolution does feel like an American take on the original Gundam but i legit don't see how the first two are supposed to be the same franchise.
Also it's quite funny that one of the only things the second treatment shares with Gundam is the random H*tler namedrop
Those were...so odf. And why the need to make colonies dedicated to just one task? Whatever, these were interesting to learn about!
NO FUCKING WAY??????? THREE LOST MEDIA FINDS????
Ray is just on a role
I've never watched Gundam, but this is fascinating
Awesome way to start the new year. I have been very interested in how different my anime experience would have been if all of this lost media actually was given the green light. Maybe a lot more people would have gotten into anime and a lot of us would not have been picked on for liking anime back in the day.
inb4 valut is changed
Kinda strange to see a 1999 pitch when I am pretty certain Wing was already establishing that dubbing Gundam straight was the way to go in 1997/1998.
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Such a cool find, even if they do sound truly awful!
Dunno why the algorithm didn’t recommend this to me.
That Jovian treatment one just sounds like some American dude thinking the world ain’t moved on from world war 2 or the war of independence from USA and he has never left America to know that other countries and continents inhabit this planet.
Love your works
Thank you so much!
Girl you gotta slow down. You're too good at this!
Super strange take on the Gundam mythos. The clip was cool though and a great video! Subscribed!
But it is truly bizarre, because it doesn’t feel like they understood any of the themes that makes a Gundam story, feel like “Gundam”… when you make the conflict between humans and aliens, you immediately strip all chance of having empathy with the opposition. They’re literally not human.
Gundam above All else, is a Human story that teaches “War is bad”… making it crucial for Gundam story to see and understand the motivations of both opposing factions. Here… the “Alien” antagonists were just rough drafted as straight up Nazi cartoons.
Oh sweet! SaberSpark narration
Love your content, its always extremely well researched and always reveals some exclusive scoop you cant find with anyone else. I always learn something new and have been watching since the Mean Girls and Clueless games were covered by you (and actually since before that, with the Girl Games reviews, which make me appreciate my history with girl games in my childhood a bit more).
I wanted to offer a small correction however, and forgive me if this has already been said, but its actually Tetsujin 28-go, not 20. And "Go" in this case is just a suffix akin to saying "Number 28". Can't wait for the next video!