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- The evidence of this sound analysis demonstrates just 2 weapons. 8 shots from Crooks and a single counter-sniper shot.
The near assassination of ex President Trump happened at 6:11PM on Jul 13, 2024 in Butler, PA.
The track of the bullet and the radiating soundwaves have been animated here for easy visualization and making sense of, overlaid over the recreated 3D environment of the on 13 Jul 2024 rally in Butler Pennsylvania north of Pittsburgh. 20 year Thomas Matthew Crooks has been named the shooter.
Please note this video was uploaded only 4 days after the event with information still limited. We now know there were 10 shots in total. First 8 shots from the shooter fired 5.1 seconds from first to 8th. Then a 0.9 second gap till shot 9 and a 10second gap till shot 10. 15.9 seconds from 1st till last shot.
2:18 the rapid fire shots overlap each other causing a mismatch in the pattern. The reasons for this are:
1. Shot 6 sonic boom did not register on the microphone because bullet was almost certainly the shot that tragically killed Cory Comparatore. This also ties up with his family saying he was protecting them and giving him 5 seconds to try and bravely do so.
2. The gunpowder bang from shots 6 and 7 were not captured on the audio track because they overlap and arrived while the microphone was momentarily maxed out and recovering from bullet sonic booms.
You wouldn't know this because you live in a shit country. But 556 rifles can shoot 223 as well and both calibers can be multiple different grain loads .All in the same magazine being shot by the same rifle. You think they all sound the same ????
@@Mike-Bell i think a witness said corey got hit in the first burst of three but i like your thinking and still think its very plausible - i think crooks took the 5 shots after someone else shot the first 3 from the 🌲’s. One of the ESU snipers in the 2nd story building allegedly shot at crooks and missed and is NOW on administrative leave from the Pennsylvania DA. One witness said he saw him looking at crooks in the window and had a tattoo sleeve. The other ESU guys on the roof told SS to go to the window and talk w Greg the sniper in the window. So 2 ESU snipersnin 2 story building providing overwatch tobthe roof crooks was on after they took pics of him. This is freaking too weird! I heard 10 shots total 3,5,1,pause…1. The ESU sniper in the 2 story was one of the last 2. Why is nobody talking about this
Shot six did not reach Trumps microphone because that shot is the one that hit the now deceased man in the head before Trumps microphone. It really is as simple as that.
@@saltysarge617 no need to get defensive im with you bro! 👊🏽🇺🇸
Listen…the only issue is another witness has said a woman got shot in the arm that was well below Corey in the same section. So…that means 2 bullets before trumps mic. So i thought it could have been that bullet too considering the doc said the other bullet was still in coreys head. Perhaps Coreys skull fragment pierced her arm from that one bullet.
How about analyzing the NTD audio, it sounds like directly from the best microphone.
So why do shots 1-3 sound differently from shots 4-8? 1-3 sound more muffled. 4-8 sound sharper and slightly louder. Shot 9, which I guess is the counter sniper's shot, does sound different, as it should.
Me thinks first three could've come from an indoor environment whereas the next five shots were outdoors.
Some analysts think by him laying flat for the first 3 and then sitting up a bit for the rapid fire may affect the sound, but we need video confirmation for that and no one has came forward with a video focused entirely on Crooks firing. All the videos have too much movement and the camera going all around.
@@Piccolo_Re There is video of him during the first shot that shows no movement of his shooting shoulder!
Check out Peak Prosperity
They are analyzing without an agenda and in much greater detail.
Because in some clips the camera was moving around, I thought we had got past that already? You can't expect the mic on a phone to give the same sound when facing the opposite direction. Shots taken from indoors would sound completely different in EVERY video clip.
Hi Mike, respectful--- your math is wrong. The Temperature was 91 degrees Fahrenheit. The elevation is 1364 ft. The speed of sound is 1151fps. The pressure was 28.91. The crack thump of the first 3 shots places them 50 to 75 feet further away from the SM57 mic center stage. Your bullet velocity is wrong. The is 9 hundredths of a difference between shots 1,2,3 and the shots that followed. You cannot account for that.
It seems for the 'snap' everyone forgets to add the time between Trump's microphone to sound system speakers to the microphone with the video. So the snap sound came from Trump's speakers. And the 'boom' for most microphones came from the firearm. Except for people sitting closer to the right speakers than they were to Trump's microphone - they heard the 'boom' coming out of the speakers before the actual sound from the rifle got there.
He's a paid shill.
This is exactly what the world had to put up with after 9/11, paid shills attempting to debunk everything that made sense.
Peak Prosperity has a lot of great actual input
Agreed with the first bit. Speed of sound should be 350.8 m/s. Also, bullet velocity should be higher too, probably 792 m/s to 914 m/s (2600 f/s to 3000 f/s) or slower, depending on the bullet type/manufacturer. As for the second bit, there's another alternative that has to be eliminated. The distance of the bullet from the microphone also affects the timing between the sonic boom and the muzzle blast. Google "Interpretation of audio forensic information from the shooting of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh" for the equation.
@@hkoehli The most common OTC Nato is 55 and 62gr but yes he could have had 77gr
Ill go with 62gr and without knowing the barrel length I will guess at least 3000 fps its usually 3100 fps depends on chamber etc etc.
I scribbled some numbers using a 62 gr 5.56 round.
62gr 3000 fps 150 yards BC .3, 3 deg incline
Saturday, July 13, at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania
6:11 p.m
92 deg F
8 mph NW wind variable I will use 5mph west to east. His shot blown to the left (trumps favor)
sea level pressure 28.91 hg (ambient pressure at 1310ft = 27.30hg)
34% rel humidity
5.56 Nato 62 grain 3000 fps BC .30
Muzzle - 3000 fps
150 yards- 2531 fps
Time to 150 yards - 0.163 sec
Time to 70 yards - .073 sec
Energy at 150 yards - 882 ftlbf
150 yard POI drop 1 inch if sighted in at 100 yards
with a 5 mph cross wind about 1 inch drift left due to the wind (If he did not play the wind then 1 inch left helped Trump)
So he had 1 inch drop and 1 inch drift to left
Using no magnification but a cheap red dot. Which = +- 2 inches easy and then ARs are around 2-4 " groups at 100 yards. He easily had a plus minus 6 inches of slop not counting movements nerves etc.
Did you say all sounds are the same? The first 3 shots do sound the same. In this video they start at: 3:32; and then go to 3:34. These are 3 very focused unwavering distinct shots; almost like a professional rifle man. Then the sounds from 3:36 to 3:37 are completely different to me. Even your slow motion distinguishes a different pitch between these sets of sounds. The last shot seems definitive. Thanks for posting these sounds. It helps me realize the different pitches.
four is connected to one to three, its just the proximity to five.
You are not alone this is the only guy I've found that says they sound the same
Exactly xx
All the shots sound identical, except the 9th counter sniper shot. There is no difference at all with the first 8. Y'all just want it to be another shooter so bad that you are convincing yourselves they sound different lol
@@EricBussman I have found a different video since I left my comment. I now agree that they all sound the same. But in that video it sounded more like nine shots, then the sniper shot
You can't hear the difference between 1-3 and 4-8? They are not the same.
You completely missed the point. Watch this video again and pay attention this time. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE!!!!
What ?@@LarsLarsen77
It has everything to do with sound. If the shooter doesn’t change his position and neither does the mic capturing the sound….all shots from the same weapon caliber will sound the same. For the sound to be different, either the weapon changes its location or the caliber is different…..
@@JonSan73 Furthermore the differences are apparent on every video we've seen/heard so it's not just this vid and the phone's owner turning and moving while shots are occurring accounting for the difference in sound.
How it is possible for all "sound experts" and "audio analyzers" they cannot analyze that on the third shot, the hydraulic crane loses pressure, and all the speakers on the right side fall to the ground?. After the third shot, half of the sound of the event has collapsed. This is a drastic change in sound. This alteration in sound mainly affects all cameras that are recording from the ground. However, the sound we hear from the TV camera will not be greatly affected by the fall of the speakers. The TV camera, being located in a high and centered place, will continue to capture much of the sound even if the speakers have fallen, because the sound always travels upwards. That's why in the video from the TV camera, the 8 shots sound the same, while in the video cameras on the ground, the 3 first shots will sound different from the next 5 shots. With this I am not saying that the 8 shots are the same, and I am not saying that the shots are different. I'm just saying that you can't analyze or compare audios that are there and under different sound conditions. And I'm surprised that so many audio experts don't analyze this obvious audio alteration.
Nope. Even on your recording 1-3 are lower than 4-8. Distinct difference. Not the same.
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I Agree as well! Definitely different shooters.
Not even close
also there's a difference in time between supersonic pop and mussleblast for the first salvo and second salvo. Indicating different locations.
That proves nothing. None of them sound like gunshots at all, microphones don't record gunshots like they sound. And whatever other sounds are happening at the same time change how they sound. It's just because they came in such rapid succession and were overlapping each other.
You didn't prove only 1 shooter. Your source audio makes the shots sound similar, but shots 4-8 are completely different speed and report. Other audio analysis using stage facing videos proves a 2nd shooter. It's obvious
Audio analysis can't prove anything, it can only support a theory or not. The 'other' analysis you're probably referring to is flawed because it's based on the sound of the shots, which is subject to all kinds of effects like which way the camera is facing, and automatic gain control etc. In contrast this analysis is based on the timing of events which is not subject to those effects.
@@chriscampbell7245ur missing the pause between 3&4, which clearly indicate a different profile between 1-3 vs 4-8.
Is bleachers are not lined up properly either and who drove the van 10 miles away and abandon it with explosives inside the same van that was underneath the water tower that was caught in pictures with the MSNBC sticker on the back
And one more thing how did CNN beat the SWAT team to Rodger Stone's house and they coincidentally decided to film this Trump rally
I believe the five shots came from the water tower one of which hit the hydraulic lines
4:00 “they sound the same” - anyone who says that has a tin ear. Even from this other source - what’s happened with the other mics also happened - far less echo on the first three - much more echo on the others.
It doesn't matter because this is purely based on timing. Only clips where the camera is moving around have different sounding shots, but that's because (surprise) the camera was moving around. And there is one clip where the AGC kicked in because of people screaming nearby, also not to be taken as proof that a different gun was used.
@@chriscampbell7245 stationary mics have a distinct echo profile for the first three shots.
This video is to debunk the truth it’s a lie the first three shots came from a suppressor or inside a building this man is a plant to try and give disinformation
Agreed even the signature is different.
The mic on the podium was stationary. The news camera that was capturing the shots as they were being fired recorded all shots heard as perceived by Trump and nearby spectators. Different calibers based on distance on your place of perception if your location doesn’t, will emit different sounds. There are 3 distinctive shots and then 5 different shots apart and then a final one. Even same caliber weapons placed a different distances make a different sound. Just too much we don’t know
You’re missing the 10th shot, it came at about 16 seconds from the first shot. The 9th shot is thought to be from the ESU sniper and the final 10th shot from the SS Sniper. I have not seen any definitive info on where the 9th and 10th shots came from. There may have been a sniper on a grand stand building 1,030 feet SSW from Crook’s location. I’m not sure if all 8 shots came from Crooks. The government lies all the time, you can’t trust anything they tell you.
You can absolutely trust lots of information, when it can be verified, which it often can be. You might be suffering from pathological paranoia, and/or, your brain may have been programmed by a cult.
I believe it’s been confirmed there were 4 counter sniper units.
@MostShadowedChamp I dnt think he did. I can't see any muzzle gases, or noticeable kickback.
Maybe it's a 556 rifle that can shoot 223 . You do know bullets in the same caliber can be multiple different grain??? Just stop
@climatescientist
There were only 9 shots.
3 different weapons were fired. First 3 shots we not from Crooks.
Came from the window. But didn't the trump snipers have silencers? Does that matter?
And yes I know it's only muffled and not abscent of any sound.
I think the first 3 shots came from inside the window. Then maybe Crooks shot. Then one of the snipers.
One of the snipers behind Trump appeared to be watching Crooks in his scope. After the first shot, he raises up and looked out of his scope. I think he knows Crooks didn't shot yet and he was looking for the real shooter.
There's a video of crooks - 1st shot heard n there's no movement by crooks - no kickback, no head movement.
@@lourdesmacias4101 link or GTFO
Still doesn’t explain why the SS allowed him to get off so many shots before taking him out.
Or why he was able to get on the roof in the 1st place.
@@colb9916 the roof is easy. that's because literally all of the roofs in the area was unguarded. he used the air conditioner. heck he could even use a trash can if he needed to. The reason the cops use the ladder was because they were trying to climb the roof where crooks was at, and not the lowest point of the roof.
@@jason200912 Yeah my point was how did he get through to be able to get on that roof.
Made his way past dozens of security, police, s-s etc and no one stopped him.
@@colb9916 the most likely method was that the rifle was stowed before the event by days or hours.
He got on the roof by climbing the ac unit.
@@jason200912 If it was stashed b4hand, then those that swept the area clear f... up bigtime.
That there were no sniffer dogs, no observation drones etc deployed is a Huge breach.
Water tower was a perfect overwatch glassing post for keeping an eye out.
He had been observed for over an hour before hand, acting suspiciously.
Carrying a backpack (shortened rifle, [foldable/removable butt stock ??] checking ranges with a rangefinder.) walking around, reportedly, even had a drone up hours before)
All screams bad news.
First 3 shots sound different than the next 5 shots.
You trying to gas light us?
The sound of the shots is not the important part, the time between the sound of the bullet and the rifle report indicates different distances.
That is the important part.
That is just math.
The microphone that recorded all the shots did not move so it becomes the constant in the equations.
Both sound analysis and distance calculations are important.
Multiple microphones and distance calculations allow for triangulation.
Bro none of these people understand math. They've been bamboozled and now they just reject any evidence that they were fooled. Carl Sagan once said: “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
@@dckatyx9577 No, it's not important at all, it's not a part of audio analysis. Especially of gunshots. None of them even SOUND like gunshots, because microphones don't record sudden loud cracks like that very well, a number of things change the quality of the sound. It's trivial to just shoot slow and then fast and prove that the same gun sounds different when there are other sounds (cracks/rapports/echos overlapping when shooting fast vs not overlapping because it's shooting slow)
Triangulation of audio analysis could narrow down the likely origins
ЗВУК выстрела его время поступление в микрофон , скорость той или иной пули определенного
патрона , погодные условия места , можно определить расстояние с какого примерно был
сам выстрел . ЗВУК выстрела дает пороховой газ патрона . чем больше пороха тем громче
звук , и не пуля она свист делает
You need to do a qualitative analysis and echo analysis of the shots from all the source microphones. Your conclusions are perhaps premature.
@quietmanvp1 agreed, but the dude did say things will change as new evidence is found. He made changes from his last video, so he did protect himself from your very comment and opinions of the like. But I do agree, more analysis is necessary without a doubt.
No he doesn't. That's not how audio analysis works. None of that would or could possibly refute what he proved here. You just didn't understand a word he said because you don't want to understand it. You just want to tell him he's wrong and you're right.
@@Greggers123 I analyzed the audio every possible way using computers, one shooter. The phone/mic spun around 180 degrees between the first and second clusters, the mic was facing the shooter during the second cluster. One shooter
ВЫ правы на все 100 % нужно просто кому то сделать эксперимент на полигоне
произвести Три выстрела с 450 футов из закрытого помещения через открытое
окно ( просто соорудить домик из фанеры с накрытой крышей и проем под окно )
записать звук на микрофон стационарный который используют CNN и др , Затем
пять выстрелов с АР-15 с высоты 8 футов с расстояния 430 футов на открытом воздухе
и посмотреть звуковую картину этих выстрелов . Если бы жил в США давно бы это
провел и не живал бы сопли , если ВЫ хотите защитить себя и своего кандидата президента
от этого беспредела
Great video
As an experienced gun owner, shooter, and combat veteran I dispute your findings. With my "unsophisticated" ear, shots 1-3 are clearly different in sound to 4-8, (and 9 is also entirely different as a counter sniper and larger caliber from different direction). I have seen audio breakdowns strongly suggesting at least 2 assassin weapons in different locations firing the first 8 shots (we are "told" 8 shell casings found on roof, which is not credible). The muffled sound of 1-3, and the cadence difference, are vastly different than 4-8. And we KNOW for a fact now there were 2 counter sniper shots - 1 by state cop, 1 by secret service. Total of 10. So your analysis is not correct.
Yup, he completely dismisses anyone who disagrees with his conclusions but puts in a caveat that the facts might change. Nope the facts don't change. The facts are the facts, analysis and conclusions might vary depending on the analysis as well as access to data, audio and video recordings. The facts will remain the facts.
If you were there they would sound exactly the same. It's just how the microphone records shots that happen with other sounds overlapping them changes the quality of the sound. The important part of the analysis is the TIMING, not the qualitative sounds but the quantitative timing.
Where are these competing analyses? Saying different shots “sound different” is not a robust argument. And why are 8 casings not credible? Until I see a better analysis than what was presented here, I must accept these conclusions.
ВЫ правы выстрелов было 10 , а не 9 ,куда он дел 10 ? 9 и 10 по звуку похожи между собой
Почему он не взял запись звука от микрофона СNN или другой компании около трибуны ?
Did you notice he said average bullet speed was 2460? 223 bullet are still going about that fast at 200 yards (depending on bullet weight etc).. either he calculated that wrong, or the distance was further, or he had the slowest non-subsonice ammo known to man.
Shots 4 through 8 come so fast together they're almost as fast as the world-record holder. Certainly too fast for someone with his low level of training holding a semi-auto. They came from someone well-trained, or possibly a low round-per-minute automatic.
Pushing a button fast is not hard. Not that fast at least: "In 1985, Takahashi Meijin (real name Takahashi Toshiyuki) became a celebrity in Japan by pressing a button on a video game controller 16 times in one second on television. If you picked up a controller right now you could probably pull off 10 with minimal practice, 12 after you get used to it. But you're about as likely to hit 16 as you are to beat Usain Bolt in a footrace."
@Afrovalleymakersbump stock? As it is no longer forbidden...
@@slowbro2539Maybe those were potshots intended to muddy the waters and cause confusion?
@@LarsLarsen77, a rifle trigger is not and electronic button.
It is possible that the sear of the trigger mechanism was filed, to enable automatic firing.
But any 5.56 on Auto, is a lot faster than those five shots. The boy had received much more intensibe training after leaving school, where he was not good enough to make the team. DHS staff also used the same rifle range (Clairton), as where TMC and his dad were members.
You took the audio that suits what yiu want to say! From the original video that is there, it is absolutely clear these cannot be from the same gun
4-8 are completely from a different riffle. I’d guess they were a different caliber or gun type than the first 3 shots.
I could be wrong. But I’ve been shooting for over 40 years so I doubt it.
The time lag for the report is slightly different as well. For Mike Bell, conclusions determine evidence.
you're NOT WRONG, in comments alone is 95% certain that the first 3 are absolutely different
He literally just proved that you're wrong here. And you refused to even listen.
@@theofulk5636 Nobody's refuting that, but that doesn't mean it's a different gun, it just means microphones don't record gunshots the way they sound to your ear in real life. How does 95% of the comments not understand that OBVIOUS fact?
Shots 1 to 3 sound muffled like being shot from inside a building from a hunting bolt action which is very accurate but slower to cycle. Shots 4 to 8 are louder and much faster likely from a semi-automatic shot outside.
The visuals are great for understanding. However, too many assumptions are made from the start in regard to other analysis.
It seems possible from shots to have come from the same area as Crooks, but to jump to the conclusion he fired all the shots seems a little premature to me. It appears to be fishier than that.
Just to take one example: we can see Crooks in a footage video, as the first shot is heard. His posture shows NO recoil whatsoever.
Please share a link to that video. Thanks.
And someone walks in front of the camera at exactly that instant, so you can't even see Crooks. And who can verify the authenticity of that recording? A 2-second clip isn't that hard to mess with, IMO, compared to these clips which are more than 20 seconds long. And most importantly, these are two DIFFERENT videos, from separate sources, which corroborate each other perfectly. You don't have to take a single video as trustworthy, or take the analysis of one video was legit. Doing two at once and getting identical results, they verify each other. That's far stronger, IMO, then analyzing any single source.
So you admit it appears all shots were shot near Crook’s position, but don’t start by assuming the simplest explanation that all shots came from Crooks, and we instead have to prove that over some other multi-shooter theory you assume? Occam’s razor man.
@@jmd489 Hello,
in fact, the audio catpures led me to think there was multiple weapons used in the shooting.
Maybe I am wrong.
You won't see any obvious "recoil" from shooting 5.56 from an AR style rifle, from prone position.
I wish Mike would reach out to Chris martenson from peak prosperity and have a discussion 👍
agreed
Video of officers on roof just after Crooks was neutralized, has one officer remarking that he counted 5 casings within his visual reconnaissance not 8. Granted 3 could have rolled off somewhere, but is it possible that a 2nd sniper using the same weapon type located in the back building directly behind where Crooks was firing (~70 yds back) fired the first 3 shots?
You're onto something there
Did you even watch the whole thing? lmao. He counted 5 initially but 8 later in the video.
@@alliedmastercomputer5407 Yep, he literally counted 12345 quickly and said "There's five RIGHT THERE". The later count was more thorough. The brass was separated into two groups which begs an explanation though. The shooter's aux (sideways) sights were deployed and the rifle may have been tilted for some of the shots. This would lower his exposure above the ridge. A guy shooting that way would probably end up laying on his side as Crooks was.
If you watch the whole video...he does count 8.
@@alliedmastercomputer5407right, says 5 first, then after 12 minutes of stop recording, then he says 8
My question is… WHO gave the order to wash down the crime scene??🤔🤔🤔
Just watched Chris martinson of peak prosperity who has different audio from near the buildings that has evidence of 4 different weapons 2 presumed law enforcement 2 shooters
martEnson
Exactly 💯. That video was very well done. This video seems like he is trying to defend those that let's this happen.
Yeah Peak Prosperity is for sure a recommended watch. He's a smart, honest, regular guy trying to find the truth just like us all. He just has the where withall to take it to the next level.
@@matttwomey8554 Agreed. The sound pitch between the first 3 and then 5-8, are at a different pitch. Even a dog could tell the difference. Why would this youtuber post this evidence with truthful sounds and then say the opposite: that -273 degrees C is warm? It would be so wonderful if everyone could be honest and truthful. It might be his ears are unable to hear the difference, so I will give him that. My eyes don't work so well.
@@kamojetyes he is. Not only that, but he has a lot of people helping him and giving him information. I trust Dr. Chris Martenson and Mike Adams way more than I trust this guy. This video is seemingly helping with the coverup.
All you have to do is close your eyes and listen the first three shots were taken from further away than the next five
And none of them sound like actual gunshots, because microphones do not record things the same way the human ear hears them. Why are you so hung up on what they sound like that you can't even understand what he's proving here? It's not about what they sound like. What is wrong with you?
There is eyewitness video taken of Crooks on top of the building where he is seen at the exact moment shot 1 is fired. There is no rifle kickback to Crooks while that shot rings out. It is an absolute certainty that if Crooks took that shot, then he would have experienced kickback from the rifle which would have been evident on that video footage. That alone renders it an impossibility that Crooks fired the first shot. Therefore, at the very least, the first shot was fired from a different rifle at a different location. That is now an established fact, even if you are unable to accept the facts. That established, the sound signature in the audio clips you're using here clearly are different for the first 3 shots as compared to the 5 shots that followed. The only explanation for why you don't hear that obvious difference, that I can come up with, is that you don't want to hear it. So, you ignore it and say it isn't there. But, ignorance is not a scientific explanation. Check out the YT channel Steelslapper and his video title "How much RECOIL does an AR-15 ACTUALLY have?", to see on film how much kickback Crooks should have shown on film, instead of absolute zero. I rest my case.
No it isn't, someone just claimed that without evidence and you believed them. The AR15 has basically no kick at all, thats why we use it as our military service weapon, 18 year old girls in the military can fire it with no problem.
I thought the same, the first 3 shots slightly different to following 5 rapid shots.
Shots 4-8 do not sound the same at all. Why have you pitch shifted them down? Pitch stretch is adding significant sonic artifacts.
It has no thing to do with how the sound. Wow, this went completely over literally everyone's heads. Watch the video again, PAY ATTENTION, it has NOTHING to do with how they sound.
@@LarsLarsen77Nice cope~
police body cam you here the cop say 5 shell casings on roof. fbi says 8
@@LarsLarsen77 Who's paying you dude? You can't be so stupid as to not understand the implication of the first three sounding different from the subsequent shots. The difference in frequency is clear. Bot much?
As a Army veteran that has fired around 800 to 1000 rounds from a M-16. Same as a AR-15 except it has a selector switch for fully automatic. I will say you are 100% wrong, and I knew this before even watching this video, which is a waste of everyones time. Your sound quality is garbage, and this is probably intentionally done by you. Clearly if you use the audio from the mic in front of Trump, which is available from many media outlets you will see that the first 3 shots DO NOT sound the same as the next 5. These shots are measured at approx. 450 feet all 8. So you have Crooks, then clearly the open window which SS themselves said they had a sniper team in. So three shots from within the window ( muffeled sound ) 5 from roof, clearly different. The sniper inside would clearly have a totally fixed position with his sniper rifle and have a perfect shot at Trump. From my experience with Crooks weapon at 450 feet I could hit the target 50 out of 50 times without a scope ( I invite you to a range ) so please contact me in the comments. In saying this, this is under perfect circumstances. First and foremost absolutely no stress mentally or physically, I do not believe Crooks had this.Second Crooks doesn't have a fixed position with his body or his weapon whatsoever, meaning he has no support for his weapon or body. After every shot that he fired you would need to completely reset your body after every shot. Those shots were fired very rapidly and he NEVER reset his body. All of Crooks shots most likely went in to the crowd to the left of Trump ( 1 dead 2 injured ). Crooks was very inexperienced also. I could go on. You have no idea what you are talking about and are speading a lie!!
It doesn't matter how they sound. Pay attention to what this video says. It has nothing to do with how they sound on a microphone. You're literally just ignoring everything he said and saying "I definitely wasn't tricked by some other video! That would be too painful for me to accept!" LOL
How "As an army veteran" qualify you for recorded audio analysis?
@@LarsLarsen77 One thing is obvious. The "sound" of the shots varies greatly from one recording to the next. Those recording were running and spinning around 180 degrees as the scene unfolded. That is why the "sound" of the shots doesn't mean much.
You might be interested in seeing video closeup of the water tower. It shows visual disturbances from the GF reports on S4-8 but little from S1-3. To my mind, the shock waves from the first 3 were attenuated by possible enclosure while next 5 were reflections off the roof.
@@LarsLarsen77it doesn’t matter how they sound???
Ok so once again, don’t believe your eyes or ears… just do as you are told.
You my guy are an idiot.
Also how many guns have you fired in your life?
How come they simply not look for the bullets and confirm from which weapon they were shot. The lack of information from the FBI allows theories, like this one
That would be the standard procedure for a genuine investigation. But we're looking at something else here.
.223 bullet is tiny and very fast. If it hit anything hard, there wouldn't be much to look at. One of the bullets hit hand rail and turned into dust. Those hitting the telelifter likely also turned into dust. If some missed, those would be impossible to find at distance.
@@jpenna1976 Er... what about those bullets in the injured and killed?
@toomanycrazies3002 those were from first three shots. Someone of these online investigators had figured that from the available videos.
There were more than one shooter.Crooks may never have fired.Where is the photo of him dead,surrounded by casings??
wow you really didn't understand even a single part of this video, did you?
@@chriscampbell7245 he didnt lol
And no numbers of a crime scene indicating the casings. And a quick power wash for the blood optics. You know, non-blood washes off tin roof nicely.
th-cam.com/video/GvWsYecHH7Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZfUg7mpHkSifCyla
Denialism is a helluva drug!
Your analysis has all 8 shots with the same sound. Other recordings have the last 5 with a different sound. Can you give a clearer explanation of the source of your audio? Thanks
You are correct, 4-8 are a different sound
@@pokey1652 4-8 are different on at least one recording but the same on another recording. So, is there an explanation?
@@michaelp3951 Yup, they are already going through the recordings on TH-cam to make the shots sound the same. Remember who owns TH-cam. Make your own recording and save it. Then see if it changes. They may even be able to change the recordings in the cloud. I have noticed the same thing you did. If you listen carefully you can still hear the difference, but it is way less distinct. Clearly the rate of fire is WAY different - not the same shooter/weapon.
@@pokey1652 Ok, but we can see from the trajectory that the first shot came from Crooks, IMHO anyway. We can also see that the 6th shot hit the fireman (because that shot didn't pass Trumps mic and give a sonic snap). So all that would mean the "2nd shooter" was not a good shot. An amateur.
That contrary evidence is irrelevant because Mike Bell “knew” from day one that there was a single shooter.
There are two main problems with this analysis. First, it assumes the shots were all coming from Crooks on the roof, and not from the window just behind him where snipers were stationed after deciding it was too hot or too sloped to be on the roof with Crooks. Second, the first three shots, and the ninth shot, are distinct from the rapid fire shots. There were a minimum of two weapons used. The ninth shot, not analyzed here, was likely the one that killed Crooks and was distinct from all the previous shots. It may have come from the water tower, which is why it is not clear in this recording. It would not have whizzed by Trump’s mic.
To be sure, the first three shots were muffled, which indicates they probably came from within the window, whereas the five rapid fire shots have echoes in addition to their sonic booms.
There are two main reasons to think the rapid fire shots did not come from Crooks. The first is that the sound is distinct as they have echoes which the first three did not, meaning Crooks would have had to have two guns. The second is that Crooks wasn’t known to be an expert rifleman. The shots are fired in too close a succession to believe he could pull the trigger that fast. Only an expert with years of practice can fire that rapidly and consistently.
Other considerations include the unlikely case where Crooks would have planned to die. This should be obvious. A person so fearful of death that they wear a mask long after COVID threats have disappeared isn’t likely suicidal. Neither did any suicidal tendency reach the attention of his parents or his guidance counselor. He lacked any signs of being psychotic or pathological. It is more plausible that he thought he was part of a security team freshly hired by the FBI who promised to meet him on the roof but then backed out. This is consistent with the confidence he showed by taking field ranges before the event and flying drones in broad daylight. He would need drone footage and range information as a security personnel defending Trump from possible attacks.
The fact that a minimum of two guns were used, based on multiple crowd recordings means both guns should have been in Crook’s possession. Only one was. Yet eight casings were found belonging to two guns.
The acoustic evidence with different casings only adds up if the casings were thrown over there by the first ostensible investigator on the scene, which would have been the shooter closest to Crooks stationed inside the building in the window. This means Crooks’s gun was taken away and replaced with the rifle that actually shot at Trump and the crowd and casings were planted to frame him as their patsy. Wray revealed the AR found with Crooks was collapsible, meaning it can be hidden. A duplicate used from inside could therefore have been hidden inside the clothing of the “investigator” who planted it near Crooks along with the casings, having deliberately collected them while shooting from the window.
That Crooks had visited several FBI field offices the weeks before and was connected through Blackwater is also telling. When you add all this up, it seems the most plausible explanation is that Crooks was used as a patsy by political enemies of Trump, possibly by those who knew what Joe Biden meant when he said on July 8th, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.”
🎯 It seems to me that the command came from the Big Guy. Rooks was just used for plausible deniability. The incompetency and failure mantra is just smoke and mirrors.
I will grant, having said this, that it could have been one gun firing eight shots. However, the rapid shots would have been from outside the window, while the three more careful shots were from back farther in the room, hence the muffled sound. One weapon doesn’t give off two types of sounds without good explanation. Overlapping sound waves doesn’t suffice. Sound may be slower than bullets but not slower than inexperienced fingers.
I will grant, having said this, that it could have been one gun firing eight shots. However, the rapid shots would have been from outside the window, while the three more careful shots were from back farther in the room, hence the muffled sound. One weapon doesn’t give off two types of sounds without good explanation. Overlapping sound waves doesn’t suffice. Sound may be slower than bullets but not slower than inexperienced fingers.
Also, there is one last gun shot 6 seconds after the shots your analyzed. Why did you leave that shot out?
It's 10 seconds after. They should analyse it because it seems to come from a different location as the time delay between the two audio sources they have compared is different for this shot than it is for the first counter-sniper shot at 5.8 seconds.
Great job ! Only problem is you only used sources facing the shots, so it's completely normal that variations of sound seems the same ! And the fact you slow down the sounds from the nearest source make disappear the difference between the first sequence of 3 shots and the second sequence of 5 shots ! At normal speed, the difference is notable, particulary for the recording mid distance from Trump's stage ! It would be interesting if you use other sources that are not in line with the shootings, and make calculations for triangulation... just to see if its already match ! Whith all the sources lined up, it can be intersesting !
Came here to say this too. Audio recordings that are off to the side of the building (not in the line of fire), that Crooks was on have the shots sounding very different. First 3 different from next 5 and the 9th shot quite different still (9th appears to be SS shooting back at Crooks with a much larger caliber than the 223/556 Crooks was reported as using). The audio used for this analysis seems to be from a source that was in the line of fire so to speak making differentiation of the sound signatures more difficult. Check out @peakprosperity. Maybe this Gentleman could work together with Dr. Chris Martenson on this to see where the data leads you both.
It doesn't matter what the sounds sound like. It only matters what the timing is. Did you even watch the video?
@@LarsLarsen77 This guy is flat wrong. There are far better qualified people that have proven him wrong, including witnesses.
More video is still being released to this day. This wasn't the work of a sole person or incompetent top professionals, obviously.
@@LarsLarsen77 OK, tell me if i understand ! in an audio analysis, what sound sounds like doesn't matter ? Not even if it places the origin of the shots in another place ? Sorry but when things doesn't match, even with a brillant analysis, they doesn't match ! You can't tell you've proven other theroies are wrong if don't use the datas that doesn't match your own theory, and having a preconstructed theory is a major bias on analysing datas ! That's basic Science !
@@LarsLarsen77 And yes, i've watched all the video, and adopt a Socratic Criticism and Scientific Process Stance, like i do for any video or information i've earned ! Have you ?
@Mike-Bell you made a great 3D workable tool. Will you please zoom in and analyze the window below him and that angulation? I understand your disagreement for the shots from other locations. Did you put in accurate elevation into your tool? Thanks for the work.
How do you not realize that that doesn't matter at all? WTF?!?!?!?
@@LarsLarsen77 I’m not arguing against him in this reply. It’s a question and asking about another detail. I liked your last response by the way.
There’s no bamboozling going on, I’m cross referencing info.
This guy does a great job.
Cheers,
If you listen to the shots. They are coming from different places. The various echos tell the story. This guy is supposed to sound scientific with his European accent. He is wrong or just plane lying.
Or maybe you don't understand any of this which is why you're not explaining why hes wrong. You're just asserting it blindly. "I saw a video that said something else and I was convinced, I don't understand it so I can't explain it, but trust me if it was wrong I would have known!"
@@LarsLarsen77Nice cope~
@@wlcrutchHe's got a classic South African accent. Further analysis down the road will verify or disprove other shooters. I think we can conclude this early that any shots from another shooter(s) would come along a similar trajectory. Whatever, we know there was almost certainly active and/or passive malicious intent beyond just Crooks himself.
How it is possible for all "sound experts" and "audio analyzers" they cannot analyze that on the third shot, the hydraulic crane loses pressure, and all the speakers on the right side fall to the ground?. After the third shot, half of the sound of the event has collapsed. This is a drastic change in sound. This alteration in sound mainly affects all cameras that are recording from the ground. However, the sound we hear from the TV camera will not be greatly affected by the fall of the speakers. The TV camera, being located in a high and centered place, will continue to capture much of the sound even if the speakers have fallen, because the sound always travels upwards. That's why in the video from the TV camera, the 8 shots sound the same, while in the video cameras on the ground, the 3 first shots will sound different from the next 5 shots. With this I am not saying that the 8 shots are the same, and I am not saying that the shots are different. I'm just saying that you can't analyze or compare audios that are there and under different sound conditions. And I'm surprised that so many audio experts don't analyze this obvious audio alteration.
Update, FBI Director Wray + SS Director Rowe said there were (10) shots, (8) cannisters on roof found (spent cartridges).
(3) shots were aimed at Trump from shooter.
(5) rapid fire shots were from shooter as well (possible fired out of frustration).
(1) Shot from LE Pennsylvania SWAT Sharpshooter team - made target hunker down but did not hit Shooter.
(*1) Shot from the SS CS Team that was the kill shot at 16 second mark.
Thanks. That all makes a lot of sense.
I think it was Josh Haley who asked "how many shells was there on the roof" wand Wray answered "there was eight cartridges". Don't Wray know the difference?
In another video a soldier standing on the roof and counting loud "..2, 3, 4, 5" just next to Crooks. Another video shows 3 shells of the other side of the roof.
So FBI needs to document the exact position of all the shells found on the roof. Old school investigation with yellow numbered tag next all evidence found on the roof. Didn't FBI do that?
As Crooks bought 50 cartridges there could also be more than 30 cartridges on the roof.
I appreciate your efforts... But to be frank, you're reports & findings are lagging way behind the current meta. All the shots did not come from the same place. First 3 shots were from 2nd storey window of AGR.
I'm onboard, but what about shot 10 which is believed to have occurred at about 15.8 seconds after the first one?
shots 1-8 (or 1-9) were all aimed at trump. shot at 15.8 was the countersniper who took out crook.
Yeah that's the issue I have with this vid. Why stop the analysis after shot 9?
@@Humanaut. I'm convinced that this video disproves that. I read reports days ago that the AGR ESU Butler County sniper shot at Crooks and missed. If that was shot 9, then Crooks would've kept on shooting, in fact, he would've turned his gun on the ESU sniper and fired away. The fact that there were no more shots fired by Crooks after Shot 9, strongly supports the assumption that shot 9 was the kill shot fired by SSCS from the South Barn.
@@Humanaut.According to Dr. Chris Martenson’s recent video, shot 9 was law enforcement shooting Crooks. The very last shot was Secret Service sniper on the southern roof which was supposedly the kill shot.
@@7MPhonemicEnglish Yep I'm down with that. If 9 wasn't the kill shot then show me an 8 round mag for an AR "style" rifle. He had tons of ammo so he stopped shooting cuz he was dead. And if you believe the bullet hole over the left eye was real then that just supports the 9 theory. The bullet hole over the left eye says to me that Crooks still had his "right" eye in the scope of his own rifle. And the shot came from down range of his position right to the left half of his forehead that was exposed to a real shooter. So there is proof of at least one professional at the rally that evening. If shot 9 isn't the kill shot then this deal is way beyond my ability to figure it out.
You are hilarious because you analyzed the wrong audio. On one clip you played you can hear a difference between the first 3 and the next 5, but it is much more pronounced in the clips from beside the shooter, not in front of him. There are 2 key recordings you missed, and they both record a dramatic difference. There is one recording that has a shot that you did not mention, and that is possibly the water tower or somewhere else, nobody knows. But nobody is saying the first 8 came from the water tower. You are debunking yourself. You should be using the recordings from near the building Crooks was on where they were filming him. There is also video of him during one shot showing no recoil.
None of that refutes anything he did here. It's not about what they sound like, it's about the timing.
@@LarsLarsen77 yeah it does. The sound indicates where the shots were fired from or the weapon used. The disappearing echo means a change. There was a change that changed the sound, such as shooting from inside.
@@LarsLarsen77 the timing means a similar distance and bullet speed, not the same weapon and location.
@@LarsLarsen77Nice cope~
@@PhoenixTTD There was nobody on the water tower you whacko lol
It's as I suspected. Audio analysis can give different results depending on which input you use, what software you feed it into, and who does the interpretation. In your video shots 4,5,6,7, and 8 sounded the same as shots 1,2 and 3 whereas in the others they sounded noticeably different. Also, your times between shots for the 2nd group was different.
The only clips where the shots sound different, are due to the camera being moved around or because the automatic gain control lowers sensitivity because of people screaming nearby. Those are not reliable sources of information. And before you claim that one of the clips used in this examination was from a camera moving around, only the timing of the shots was used here, not the apparent tone of them.
@@chriscampbell7245 When phones are put in camera mode the microphones are omnidirectional. Nice try, though.
What would explain the pause between shots 3&4??
It's not about what they sound like. Did you not pay attention at all?
@@norm2711 It's not the movement of the microphone since some of the mics here are stationary, its the automatic gain, and just how microphones work in general. If you haven't noticed already, NONE of these sound like gunshots actually do in real life. Microhphones are terrible at recording gunshots.
I've done some personal analysis myself, and counted 10 shots in total, the 8 from the shooter and the first one from the counter-snipers, then a roughly 9.5 second pause; it's then you hear a similar sound to the first secret service shot followed by the woman screaming in the background. I was able to see that clip taken between the fence and the building, as shown by Reuters, in case you wish to see/hear it yourself. That clip can also be seen in a compilation by The Telegraph here on TH-cam as well.
I think Mike Bell got visited lol! all of a sudden the sound sounded almost the same.
audio proves 4 weapons fired.. so i wonder how much you ae being paid to muddy the water?
LOL, so glad you cleared that up. Some guy told you so you believe him. Who needs logic or math? LOL
I didn't get that. Explain that slowly, if you would. The only thing that stands out to me is the waveform shows 5 shots and I hear 6.
After two weeks it was no hard for secret service to count all shots and say they have the same amount of shells.
Good analysis. Never mentioned 10th shot. There is one more shot after six second. Why sniper delayed shooting 9th and 10th shot. I think he used auto firing for 5 shots and sounds different. There is no second shooter. Other sniper are not from that window at second floor. It’s left side second window. They abandon their post. Also how come he has bomb making skills, detonator, his house is clean, no social media presence , has offshore accounts, uses encrypted apps and knows which roof top snipers never came stating it’s sunny. Looks like somebody trained him. Also left side was covered but right side building were not covered by secret service plan. Also no communication and camera recordings. A deliberate negligence
The audio just isn’t matching up though…1-3 is different from 4-8. No one is talking about it or explaining it.
Thank you for the sound wave explanation, it is very helpful in understanding. The science does not lie.
But scientists do!
Dude who are you trying to fool? Even your own video shows the 1st 3 shots sound different to the next 5. 🤦🏼♂️
LOL you didn't pay attention at all. You've just got this idea in your head that it's about how they sound, and you're not even hearing what he's saying, it's about THE TIMING, not the sound.
@@LarsLarsen77 @4:11 he literally says the 8 shots SOUND the same. The timing and the sound and echoes are all different 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
They aren't different. They are just rapid fire and it changes the sound/echo.
The pitch is exactly the same. I'm a musician. I have perfect pitch. Why insult this man when you have NO aptitude?? They were 100% EXACTLY the same. You Are Deaf 👂
Interesting how LarsLarsen77 keeps repeating the same mockery. How much is he paid, I wonder.
You discredit yourself before you start by calling people that do actual analysis nonsense
Nope. If they are nonsense, then he's correct, right? This isn't rocket science dude
If you start off saying they are nonsense then you are obviously not relying on your analysis
LOL, Peak Prosperity is a podcast for financial advice. His background is in biology. He's not an expert and he did no actual analysis other than "this doesn't sound like that"
@@FatherGapon-gw6yo They're absolutely nonsense and I didn't need this video to know it. I knew it the first time I saw their nonsense. Peak Prosperity has made HOURS of videos just droning on about nothing. This guy sums it up in a few minutes because he's making ACTUAL simple straightforward pertinent points WITH MATH.
@@LarsLarsen77Nice cope~
Sorry, not buying it. The actual recording (not your modified recording) clearly indicates that the first three shots were more muffled and lacked the echoes that the five that followed had. Chris Martenson makes a very good case they were fired from a greater distance. John Cullen makes an irrefutable case that the first shot came from the direction of the forest to the east of the water tower. It is likely that the next two came from building 9, the two-story building on the northeast corner of the complex directly behind Crooks who was on building 6. Crooks likely indiscriminately fired the next five.
Wow, now I've heard it all. This deserves a nomination for the absolute craziest collection of theories in this whole crazy affair.
@@chriscampbell7245 All of these people can't actually make an argument for why this isn't true, they just DONT WANT TO BELIEVE IT because someone else has already baffled them with bullshit that they don't understand and can't explain, so they just say "go listen to this guy and you'll be convinced like I was." Uh... no. I watched his videos already and I knew he was full of shit without someone proving it to me with a scientific analysis like this one. It doesn't matter what they sound like, it only matters what the timing is, because this PROVES that they shots all came from the SAME SPOT.
@@norm2711 The recording you're referencing and that Martenson used in his analysis was taken by a guy who was running, so his position changed between salvos 1 and 2, and both his position and the camera's orientation changed during the salvos. It looks and sounds to me like he was in a place where the report was muffled by the AGR building during the first salvo, and then he moved to a place where he would hear the reports being reflected off the hard flat vertical surfaces of the building. Hard flat surfaces tend to produce higher pitched echoes, because lower pitched, lower frequency sound waves tend to pass through them while higher pitched, higher frequency sound waves reflect off of them. This will explain most of the difference in the way the two salvos sound in that recording. Just the fact that the shots in the second salvo were fired rapidly will also change how we perceive their pitch. Look up "first time rapid fire WWII M1 garand" to see a video that demonstrates this effect. In the video, the person shooting the M1 shoots one round, then pauses, then rapidly empties the magazine. Listen to how the reports sound different even though you can see with your own eyes that it's the same gun shooting every round.
@@Marmocet Good lord, get real.
Definitely seems plausible that shots could have been fired from the two story building behind Crooks. Would also explain why first 3 sound more distant and muffled.
There was a 10th suppressed shot from a counter sniper team that missed. It happens about 15 seconds after the first shot.
Yes 👍🏻
@@Mike-Bell can you please do your magic expanding circles thing (perhaps with more than these two audio sources) to try to locate where that 10th shot came from? Doesn't seem to match the 9th shot (relative timing wise).
why do people ignore the 10th shot? I understand the 9th shot was incoming but not from the SS sniper - that was the 10th. The 9th is close to the fence from a local ESU - stopped the shooter and permitted the sniper shot.
How about the fact that you don't mention the 10th shot several seconds after the 9th shot?... which is the actual Secret Service sniper... the 9th shot was from the ESU officer believed to be in the building behind the "shooter"...
Plus I have heard the unedited shots in multiple videos.... the 1st shot is not quite as loud as the next 2, then the next 5 have an obvious echo as the sound reverberates off of something in front of the shots... there is nothing in front of the "shooter" to cause it...
The water tower is a non topic because it is not online with anything...
My thoughts are you are lying... IMHO your edited audio proves it...
I have been around weapons my entire life... 15+ years in the military... 25+ years outside the military... I will trust my ears over an edited audio track thank you very much...
How often are you down range from those weapons?
Number nine is a booming shot, not a toy 223 like 5 to 8. 1 to 3 are muffled, 4 is close to 5-8 so physco acoustically it sort of sounds the same, but is lower amplitude.
why is the pitch lower on the first three shots and higher on shots 4-8 in the audio(4:02)? . I'm just curious
Why do none of them sound anything like gunshots do in real life? Because that's how microphones work. Clearly you're refusing to even pay attention to what he's proving here. He need to go record the same gun firing slow and then firing fast with and without people screaming, etc. to prove to you that you have no reason to expect it to always sound the same in the first place. Until he does that you're not even willing to listen to a word he says. This is about the TIMING of the shots to calculate the distance from the microphone to the shots. It has nothing to do with what it sounds like.
@@LarsLarsen77 I was just curious, anyway microphones don't change the pitch of audio. The only thing I want to know is why the pitch changed between the two groups of shots, I'm not speculating anything I'm just being geeky.
I have also analyzed the lectern mic audio, and I don't agree with how you showed shots 6, 7 and 8. If we assume the muzzle sound of all 8 shots were recorded, then we short some data. I do assume that 1 or 2 bullets didn't pass near the mic. E.g. The bullet that killed Corey won't give a sonic boom at the mic.
However, in your analysis, you mark all the sonic booms but miss 2 muzzle sounds.
Question: What is the variance in speed of the type of ammunition used? Is that consistent with the different delays measured?
that's a great observation!
Why would that matter?
@@LarsLarsen77 If all the bullets travelled at exactly the same speed, then the observed variance in time between each shot's 2 sound peaks would indicate a variance in distance to the gun.
A good explanation for missing "echos" (sonic booms) is at th-cam.com/video/TF4RFPXcTlI/w-d-xo.html where that conspiracy guy makes some other mistakes in his arguments.
I thought the same thing at first, then realized that one of the sonic booms and one of the rifle reports in that audio gets hidden by the microphone's dynamic range compression. Another rifle report in that audio comes almost on top of a sonic boom and you need to look very closely to spot it.
what are your calculations of latency between sonic boom and retort for EACH of the shots in numbers, please
@@bantau88 the report arrived .21 to .22 seconds after the sonic boom click. Measured from the audio frame count. Only seeing your comment now.
@@Mike-Bell I have the first rapid fire bullets as 0.2 & 0.26 and the last 3 of those 5 of the rapid fire were 0.16 roughly...they were quicker.
Great analysis!
My question is, why are TH-camrs like you and a few other channels able to create high quality recreations but the FBI and SS can't even answer simple questions?
Because the authorities do not want to commit themselves to details that don't add up. It's evidence of a "consciousness of guilt", or "liars' caution".
FBI and Secret Service etc. are in a difficult position. In the beginning information is incomplete and contradictory. They get demolished if they say anything that is incorrect. Plus in any organisation there are people who are clueless and it best to issue orders not to speak. And that not considering how stifling bureaucracy can be.
It's safer to say as little as posibble and take the heat for that.
@@Mike-Bell You make total sense!
However, they have access to multi-billion dollar tools to investigate these things, they have direct access to the subject matter where as you guys are getting crumbs, are half way around the world, and coming up with fantastic analysis. Even if you guys are slightly off, you still put out a far better report than anything the USA government will EVER tell the public.
You're incorrect sir- there were 10 shots. The 10th and final shot is that of the sniper who killed the gunman
I saw somewhere that 9th shot was sniper shot that didn't hit the shooter. 10th was fired by sniper team that had to move to better position causing a delay until they could take out the turd at the roof.
Are you paid by the authorities to confuse us?
the consensus of MAJORITY says , "BOGUS" to this here.
@@HelloThere-nz9ld yes indeed.
The ESU officer was placed on administrative leave as standard practice, this came from the department. There is an official press release. SS was confirmed as the shot that took out shooter. Not much confirmed info but these were. I would like to know where the amount of shell cases there were came from.
"SS was confirmed as the shot that took out shooter". That's an assertion by government officials, who regularly lie. It might even be true but a statement by any government official is not "confirmation", as in definitively true.
8 pieces of brass says CROOKS was the PATSY!
@@bljn316 5 shells initially found to the right of Crooks body and another 3 to his left some time time later. So we know he likely fired at least 5
With the gun upside-down?
Excellent analysis and visualisation. Bravo! I have been trying to make sense of the various audio sources. Can you please look at the apparent second "counter sniper" shot at 15.8 seconds after Crooks' first shot. You will see that it times differently across the two audio sources you used here, suggesting a different CS position. Thank you!
question: in the meantime it seems to be clear that the 9th shot came from a police officer left back side of the stage and then 10th shot came from south counter sniper. Your analysis say's that the 9th shot came from south counter sniper. If it would have been fired from left back side of the stage then sound should have been arrived to both microphones at nearly same time. Then I saw another audio analysis saying that the time gab between the 2 audios are different comparing shots 1-3 and 4-8
Two questions: 1.) All 8 shots made a sonic boom. How did the shot that killed the firefighter also make a sonic boom on Trump's mic? 2.) Another analysis evidences a kinetic event from the first shot along the back row of the bleachers after missing the snipers (search John Cullen), It would be great if someone could estimate the slope of such a shot to see if it is a possibility worthy of further consideration. The kinetic event along the back row of the bleachers is compelling as it shows what appears to be a blood plume from the wounded bystander. Do you know the elevation difference from the top rail of the bleachers to the roof peak where the non-shooting sniper team was positioned?
Thank you for your analysis and your unbiased work.
Finally, some good questions among the low IQ garbage littering this comment section. Sound travels outward in all directions, so a projectile doesn't need to pass completely from one side of the mic to the other. I mean you can hear a plane (or a Falcon9 booster) breaking the sound barrier even when it doesn't go right by you. I would expect that the sonic boom from the shot that hit Corey would be a bit quieter though, since it didn't get as close to the mic as the others.
Posted comment (author unknown to me), pinned by Mike-Bell:
"@2:18 the rapid fire shots overlap each other causing a mismatch in the pattern. The reasons for this are:
1. Shot 6 has no sonic boom because it was almost certainly the shot that tragically killed Cory Comparatore. This also ties up with his family saying he was protecting them and giving him 5 seconds to try and bravely do so.
2. The gunpowder bang from shots 6 and 7 were not captured on the audio track because they overlap and arrived while the microphone was momentarily maxed out and recovering from bullet sonic booms."
@@ericmcwhirter5265 crooks was no more than 5ft higher than Trumps ear. At that distance its as good as a flat shot. The building crooks was on was on lower ground.
Along that distance the arc of the bullet would have an 8” drop.
The first 8 definitely sound similar after you doctored the recording, and the graph clearly showed the evidence of your manipulation
Weak, weak, weak. If it doesn't agree with your pre-concluded outcome, it must have been tampered with. If the graph clearly shows evidence of manipulation, please be so kind as to make a full rebuttal giving the details instead of these lazy and baseless accusations.
@@chriscampbell7245 These people are beyond help. They've been bamboozled and they will reject any evidence of the bamboozle because it's too painful to admit to themselves that they've been fooled. Plus they want to believe a conspiracy theory, it's easier for them to deal with the stress by assuming that one powerful corporation controls everything that happens, instead of accepting the painful truth that NOBODY IS IN CHARGE, crazy weirdos can completely change the world just because they feel like it, and that's terrifying.
@@chriscampbell7245Nice cope~
Can you convert these audio files in the frequency domain to be able compare them? You know the Fourier frequency transform stuff and then apply a low frequency filter to remove any sound moving at a speed lower than supersonic speed?
None of that matters.
@@LarsLarsen77 Please enlighten us with your perspective, thanks!
How it is possible for all "sound experts" and "audio analyzers" they cannot analyze that on the third shot, the hydraulic crane loses pressure, and all the speakers on the right side fall to the ground?. After the third shot, half of the sound of the event has collapsed. This is a drastic change in sound. This alteration in sound mainly affects all cameras that are recording from the ground. However, the sound we hear from the TV camera will not be greatly affected by the fall of the speakers. The TV camera, being located in a high and centered place, will continue to capture much of the sound even if the speakers have fallen, because the sound always travels upwards. That's why in the video from the TV camera, the 8 shots sound the same, while in the video cameras on the ground, the 3 first shots will sound different from the next 5 shots. With this I am not saying that the 8 shots are the same, and I am not saying that the shots are different. I'm just saying that you can't analyze or compare audios that are there and under different sound conditions. And I'm surprised that so many audio experts don't analyze this obvious audio alteration.
If this is correct, how do you explain the echo from the second grouping, but more importantly, the world class speed at which this grouping was fired - the ninth shot was a different weapon and the tenth shot was from the secret service
Why not count the final shot at 15.8 seconds too?
Also: Video of the two sniper teams on the barns behind the stage does not show any shots fired from their positions.
Great analysis. Question: It sounded like there was a second sniper-shot about 10 seconds after the first one, and that caused people to flinch/scream. Was that a second sniper shot, and if so, what was their target?
I believe what you're speaking about is the pa falling to the ground after the hydraulic line was hit.
There are eye witnesses that say the SS neutralized an individual in the tower
,no the pa only lowered it never fell. The 2nd sniper shot is even in this audio here in video, he just fails to identify it, it's actually right before the fatal shot but misses it's target, both CS shots are suppressed therefore their reports come later.
@@theacguy9546 No....the hydraulic hose busting and the forks coming down...and the speaker stack are not the loud and distinct CRACK that is heard after they come down. This person just decided to ignore the last shot for some unknown reason.
@@This_Month_In_History no... the speaker stack does indeed get lowered down and hit the ground. It was just a slow lowering as the hydraulic fluid sprayed out and the speakers stack bottoming out on the ground didn't make any significant sound. Check the NTD stream of the rally to get a good shot of the hydraulic spray.
You should look at Chris Martenson's Peak Prosperity channel. His analysis is far better.
You are also missing a shot from local law enforcement which has been confirmed. This is likely the 9th shot, with the sniper shot being the 10th which comes about 7-8 seconds later. So, at a very basic point there are at least 3 different guns, we know this for a fact.
LOL he knows about that, that's WHY HE MADE THIS. Because that's clearly retarded and it's trivial to prove it's wrong, which he did here.
He Uses AI Generation to create thumbnails. Nah, thats lower Quality.
@NoSTs123 they did find 8 shell casings on the roof. So that doesn't help Chris analysis for sure.
A simple question, on logic. The first three shots were fired: Trump was wounded, Corey was killed, two more were seriously injured, the hydraulic drive of the loader was hit. The next five shots, which we assume the shooter fired out of desperation and frustration, did not hit anyone! At the same time, it is assumed that he fired into a panicked crowd, probably in the direction of Secret Service agents who were closing Trump down.
This is not possible tactically. Of course, they don't show us any casings or bullets, and the stands have already been dismantled - how convenient! But the sound speaks more about three types of weapons (one of them is obviously a countersniper), but even for some reason it is not shown - we do not even know which sniper team fired, and it should be borne in mind that the snipers at the corner closest to Crooks did not have a clear view because of the tree.
First shot hit Trump's ear and the railing. Second or third shot hit guy near the railing. Trump goes down, shooter can no longer see him behind the edge of the nearer stand. Next five 'frustration' shots are aimed at roughly where he expected Trump would be, they hit Corey and the other spectator, and the hydraulic hose.
I'm not sure (I'm not saying it's not true) about the chronology of the shots. The fact is that when people panicked and ran from the stands (after the third shot), a series of five shots would have found many more victims. Or the shooter was aiming over their heads (which technically contradicts his tasks if he was aiming at Trump).
The first three shots are solid shot, while the next five rapid shots are muffled... then the secret service shot...
Anyway, they said with red dot on a telescope is hard to see a 9x9 inches target in a distace... say 140 yard?!?...
Two teams fired at Crooks. The shot immediately after Crooks’ rapid fire shots missed him. Another team from way across the rally area took the kill shot.
I’m aware these are the facts:
- the 9th shot was a non SS team that missed
- SS took a “difficult” and “from a much greater distance” shot over 400 yds away
- the CS teams on the roof behind trump were SS and under 400 yds from the shooter
So if this is all true, where did the non SS CS (9th) missed shot come from, and where did the SS CS 10th shot come from?
The eight shots do not sound the same. They don’t look the same either. The first three have 2 peaks and the next 5 have 3 peaks and are louder. Audio visualizer would be better than looking at the audio file to establish if they are the same.
The waveforms would not be expected to look exactly the same. The recording equipment is relatively low quality and the environment (outdoor vs studio) is terrible for recording purposes.The rounds also have a manufacturing tolerance meaning they all have differing velocities and audio qualities.
@@stevepi1 I didn’t say exactly the same but each individual shots wave form should compare to the previous shot in the same cluster. I analyzed the file in a studio and they are from the same rifle. The camera was spun completely around 180 degrees between the first and second cluster creating the discrepancy in the wave forms. The mic was facing the second cluster, hence the amplitude increase and an additional reflection in the wave form. One shooter, one rifle.
First 3 sound different
Very different. And delays are just too obvious.
They do sound different, but somehow in this video, there's a slight similarity. Other videos from different sources the difference is noticeable. This is the first time I'm hearing the sounds coming as having almost no difference at all.
I don't know if this guy is working with the same audio collected from the source or is he working with tampered audio.
@@JuanTabares Good catch. It's because he is only analyzing the audio captured directly in front of the rifle/s and windows. This audio is between the building and the target. There will only be a slight muffle from a proposed window shot compared to outdoor roof shots.
If one were to listen to the audios from the side of the building, where the window openings are completely around the other side, than the proposed indoor shots would be very very muffled relative to outdoor roof shots - for that spectator's audio.
Well if there were three different rifles, & Crook was a patsy it only makes sense that rifle #1 which was likely shooting from inside the bldg through the open window would have been a similar AR15 with a similar report with the difference only coming from shooting indoors, ammo type, barrel length, possibly a suppressor, or a different muzzle device (flash suppressor or brake).
@@Mr.BVogel None of this has anything to do with what the shots sound like, it's the timing that matters. None of these sound like it actually happened in real life, they're just clicks when recorded by a microphone. And how fast they happen and if there are multiple sounds overlapping changes the auto-gain on the mics and changes the quality of the sounds. Did you not see how he showed that the window doesn't have the right angle to hit any of the people in the stands? Nothing you're saying makes any sense. You got some bad information and now you're refusing to even see the facts. Carl Sagan once said “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
There are 10 shots the 10th shot comes about 5 to 7 seconds after the 9th you say is the last shot, it isn't.
I cannot understand why you miss the 10th shot, occurring some 7-8 secs AFTER the 9th shot. It is audible on many different videos. The last two sound more or less the same, so I presume they come from the SS snipers. So we get:
3, slight pause, 5+1, long pause, 1.
Crooks 8, snipers 2.
A new video released today (2024-07-29) has very clear audio without echos. Taken by someone standing in front of the roof, say in between Crooks and Trump. The bullets fly high over his head. Crooks is invisible, but you see officers looking around, watching the roof. But even if you walk far away from the building, you still cannot see Crooks from this perspective. It is clear that there are quit a few officers IN the low building, because a minute later they all stand on the porch to the right of it. The officers that come rushing and have to negotiate the fence, arrive later. You see that too in the video.
See Gray Hughes Investigates: INCREDIBLE! New footage... etc
My video was done a week ago with the available info at the time. The 10th shot was very indistinct and ony registered on some audio so because I wasnt certain if it was a gunshot or not I didnt include it. Now we know there was a delayed 10th shot.
Yes I have seen the new video because the guy's fone was held by the cops. He only got given it back a day ago.
There were 4 weapons. Use raw data and take measures of lags, echo and armonics/frecuency. You don't analyze any data. Just graphics.
Zoom in, and, oops, very different patterns, waves and echos
lol you cannot be serious. How about doing that analysis yourself and let us know how that goes. I won't be holding my breath.
dude life isn't roblox. not every gunshot sound is exactly the same lol, not only does it depend on the angle that HE shot at (and a shit ton of other stuff), but also the angle you're at, moving the camera to a different angle could affect how it sounds a lot.
it's not like every gunshot sound is the same sound effect over and over and over again
4 poppers
@@Haze_Nexus_real It's 100% the rapidity of the shotss, and that they overlap with the crack/rapport/echo of the other shots. It changes the way the mic records it. It's that simple. Someone should do a test to prove this. It's not like it's hard to shoot slowly and then quickly and then see how it sounds.
@@LarsLarsen77 okay then why haven't they found the other shooter?
Anyone can tell that shots 4-8 are totally different from 1,2 and 3. 👍🇦🇺
Don’t believe your lying ears.
Yeah, so why did you watch multiple hour long videos from Peak Prosperity telling you nothing more than what you already knew listening to the 10 second clip the first time? He just baffled you with HOURS of bullshit, and now you're convinced that what you already knew means something. It doesn't, microphones don't record guns the way they actually sound, and lots of things that you don't understand at all change the way it records the sound. It's that simple. If you paid attention here you'd realize that what matters is the timing, not the subjective quality of the sound.
Have you shared your analysis with Peak Prosperity? He is doing this as well. On the other hand perhaps you shouldn't because that might corrupt his and your analysis.
He does have 5 audio files.
I would say though that shots 4-8 sound different to me, not sure why or how if they cam from Crooks.
Would love to see this guy analyze the audio from the spectators at the side of the building and not only the spectator in direct line with the shooter
No he didn’t. This man already wrote his conclusions, and fits his data to match his thoughts.
@@pedrosmits LOL, you just got bamboozled by someone else first, so now you won't accept anything that says anything different. It's too painful to admit, even to yourself, that you've been fooled.
@@LarsLarsen77 just watch the last video of Peak Prosperity. His explanation and backing up his data is much more trustworthy. Also this (we are commenting under) is talking about 9 shots, instead of 10 shots. So who’s wrong here?
We have to be cautious of the documentary effect.
Yes they do sound different...those who cant tell need to get their hearing checked out
Please demstrate how the speed of sound and the velocity of the bullets that are fired after the first 3 are different. Respectfully. I can't get the math to work. I want to know what I'm doing wrong.
He possibly messed up his math. He said the average bullet speed was 2460 ft/sec.. 223 is still going about that fast at 200 yards.. so the average speed should be significantly higher.. either he calculated it wrong, the distance was longer or he had the slowest non-subsonic ammo on out there.
The first three shots are of a different caliber of sound, somewhat muffeled as though shot from cover, the next five are shot in open air. Never believe the "officials".
Only in cameras that were moving around, or where the AGC was affecting the tone. Those are unreliable features of sound to work with, and should not be considered as anything to 'analyze' (unless you're just trying to make clickbait). This video is working purely from timings, for which camera orientation and AGC are not a relevant factor.
And none of them sound like a gun actually sounds in real life, therefore none of them are gunshots. Do you see how silly that sounds? PAY ATTENTION TO THE VIDEO, he's proving something here, and it has NOTHING TO DO with what you just said.
@@LarsLarsen77Nice cope~
@@wlcrutch dude seriously… this LarsLarsen clown is in every single thread trying to debunk the obvious. So funny.
3 different weapons, perhaps 4. Reference Dr. Chris Martensen at Peak Prosperity.
LOL just saying Peak Prosperity isn't evidence. He didn't do this analysis at all, he's just lying. This is actual evidence and you're denying it. Carl Sagan once said: “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
i heard BOOM BOOM BOOM...........THEN i heard Crack crack crack crack crack,......then i heard POP
Projectile velocity so low? I would expect about 2800 fps. I saw somewhere that the velocity of sound in air on that day was 1200 fps.
I think he's doing his measurements in meters.
I've seen much better analysis the lady from the university of Colorado has used sound analysis to prove at least three guns were fired in 16 seconds. It also shows the echo from shots 4 through 9. Not there on the fist 3 shots or the last 2
You analysis is lacking analysis of the sonic boom of the bullets from volley 5 rapid shots to the sonic report of the muzzle blast. You just say, "a jumble" without analyzing the time from bullet to muzzle sound.
At least one person has done analysis indicating about 0.21sec for the first three shots from bullet to report of the muzzle. Then the "jumble" measured 0.36sec all as heard from Trump's microphone.
Also, three separate phone videos closer to the building where the shots were fired from have the same audio characteristics in terms of the timber of the shots. The first three shots have a duller sound, while the five rapid shots have a crisper sounds as recorded by three separate phones at three separate locations, but within about 100ft of each other. The 9th shot has the dullest report, then the SS shot is heard.
This indicates that whatever variation in sound was do to the source, not the positioning or motion of the microphone. It would be purely speculative to say why the timber source source changed. If it was one gun the relative position of the gun could have changed, or it could be a different gun.
Until you dissect the "jumble" to find the time between the bullets sound and the muzzle's sound compared to the first three shots, you haven't added useful information.
Also, there are four windows and reportedly two snipers assign to the second floor windows. The windows closer to the end do have line of sight to Trump's platform as seen in video by a senator that was on site.
huh?!? Watch the video again, at 7:43 he clearly 'dissects' the jumble with the colored dots marking the arrival of each sound wave.
@@chriscampbell7245 one boom and two reports are missing. there are colored dots where they are supposed to be, but the sound isn't there
I wonder, i haven't see you take a look at Crocus City Hall roof collapse, do you have any data or thoughts?
sorry you did not explain why the sound is different from all the shots if all shots came from single weapon
The sound is only different in clips where the camera was being turned around, I though we were past that already??
It doesn't fucking matter. How about you listen to what he's saying and you'd realize that. I know not everyone can hear the english language and understand it, but why don't you try? I believe in you.
How it is possible for all "sound experts" and "audio analyzers" they cannot analyze that on the third shot, the hydraulic crane loses pressure, and all the speakers on the right side fall to the ground?. After the third shot, half of the sound of the event has collapsed. This is a drastic change in sound. This alteration in sound mainly affects all cameras that are recording from the ground. However, the sound we hear from the TV camera will not be greatly affected by the fall of the speakers. The TV camera, being located in a high and centered place, will continue to capture much of the sound even if the speakers have fallen, because the sound always travels upwards. That's why in the video from the TV camera, the 8 shots sound the same, while in the video cameras on the ground, the 3 first shots will sound different from the next 5 shots. With this I am not saying that the 8 shots are the same, and I am not saying that the shots are different. I'm just saying that you can't analyze or compare audios that are there and under different sound conditions. And I'm surprised that so many audio experts don't analyze this obvious audio alteration.
Can you get further distinction in identifying shots sounds vs echo sounds by looking at spectral fft? Would they have a different signature that can be discerned visually? Then you can eliminate the echo sounds as counting as additional shots fired (and possibly associate them to the original shot sound?)
Thanks for interesting analysis Mike, but why do you ignore the north roof sniper's shot, which is apparently taken video and widely broadcasted through web news like WSJ? Although the north roof sniper team couldn't get the shooter precisely because of trees, it's obvious that they reacted and shot against the shooter. If the fatal last bullet was shot by the south roof sniper team, at least 3 different weapons sound must have been recorded, I suppose.
It's obvious that they reacted, but only by flinching when they heard shots. It is very much NOT obvious that they took any shot at all. One guy is even looking up over the top of his scope like "wtf I can't see the guy anywhere" right as the shooting starts.
you've clearly never shot a rifle in 308 if you think from watching that video that sniper fired a shot. 😂
@@chriscampbell7245 Yes, I also felt the one sniper on north roof was even looking up over the top of his scope like "wtf I can't see the guy anywhere" as you say. But I actually felt he opened fire maybe undetermined and got recoiled by gun shooting. If you're right the sniper on north roof didn't shoot, the gun sound character might be limited two types.
@@wanderingandroid no, I've never shot a rifle in my life
@@wanderingandroid That's a 300 win mag, which is an INSANE round compared to .308.
Nope, you need hearing aids, the shots are different.
Evidence suggests more than one shooter. Although the first three shots sound similar, the first one sounds slightly muffled. The following five shots are clearly different from the first three. Watch videos from Dr. Chris Martenson or Mike Adams. They each go into depth analyzing these gunshots from different audio sources, including Trump’s mic. We don’t even know how many, if any, shots that Crooks took. Cheatle, the former director of Secret Service, wouldn’t answer the simple question as to how many shell casings were found on the roof with Crooks’ body. That last shot, as we now know, was not Secret Service but law enforcement. The Secret Service sniper shot was the very last shot, not heard on this recording. Crooks was shot twice, not once.
Shots 1-3 sounds clearly different to 4-8.i don't buy this analysis
The first 3 are not from the same gun as the next five. Totally different sound. You're wrong, and everyone knows it. Nice try! BS!
i heard the audio analysis by another audio technician and there is a very distinct difference between the first 3 shots and the remaining 5 shots and there was one final shot from the counter sniper. where i live there is a great deal of shooting going on from both semi auto weapons, hand guns, shot guns, and muzzle loaders. i am in the habit of counting the shots from these various weapons just to determine what is being shot based on the frequency of shots and to determine the magazine capacity. i counted 8 shots from 2 distinctly different weapons at different ranges. your conclusions are off.
I have been following Dr. Chris Martenson’s videos on Peak Prosperity. Really great information and he breaks it all down, making corrections as new information is discovered.
The "NAYS" definitely have it, but there were 2 final kill shots, the SS guy and the police sniper, IMO.
@@theofulk5636 , that is what the analyses seem to point to. The 10th and final shot came from the SS sniper up on the southern barn roof. That was the shot that killed Crooks.
High risk event....... so use a 20 year old w a red dot optic? Snipers in the building RIGHT BEHIND the shooter.. windows open......... (but they 'lost' the shooter......although they took pics of him just prior on the concrete retaining wall.
High risk event so your super secret second pro shooter MISSES TOO? LOL what? It was barely a good explanation for JFK where his head got exploded like a melon, but here it makes no sense at all. People didn't believe Oswald could make that shot, so they had to fill in a super secret second shooter. But here you don't need anything to explain Crooks missing. He just missed, it's THAT SIMPLE.
Solid work, however, I saw analysis of just the podium microphone. There are three different distances proven. 450 feet. 800 feet and 1400 feet. He showed his work. You ignored the crucial rapid fire, saying it was garbled, and you mixed different sources that didn't include the sonic boom. When you map out the audio from the single, unmoving microphone, it clearly proves three different distances.
Importantly, from where did you source your audio? I ask this because the #1 Obvious suspect is the government. Since your data doesn't match the earlier data I saw, I consider it suspect.
He just proved there aren't with the same microphone.
I get a bullet velocity of about 813 m/s. The air temperature at the rally at 18:00 was 26.7 C, so the speed of sound through that air would have been about 347 m/s. Crooks was about 130m to the podium mic, so the muzzle blast would have taken about 0.375s to reach the podium mic. The sonic booms reach the mic on average about 0.215s before the muzzle blast, so they were covering 130 meters in 0.160s, which yields an average velocity of 813 m/s (2667 fps). This is pretty close to what you would expect from a rifle with a 14.5"-16" barrel shooting 5.56x45mm ammunition with 55 grain bullets.
and something to keep in mind, the FPS listed on the box is often over-compensating (sometimes to crazy degrees.) if he bought 223 instead of 5.56, this would further limit fps by about 100. given atmospheric conditions and a 5% penalty for overcompensating the numbers on the box, i get about 2542 fps @ 150y with hornady v-max 5.56, a pretty good and relatively expensive bullet. thus, "well within variation from one round to the next" as paul harrell says... if he bought crap .223 or 5.56, it'd present even lower anyway.
ppl who are using the number on the box as evidence don't shoot i think. you go buy a box of random 10mm, 75% chance ur getting .40 s&w loading even if it claims 180gr @ 1250fps. with my chrono, i've rarely gotten the "correct" fps even from a gun with the same barrel length as the one was claimed on the box in testing. with 10mm, only underwood, older magtech and current sig has been accurate in claimed FPS, hence why i only reload and never buy 10mm now :) too expensive and too much variance + lies.
@@heavensadistancenotaplace From what I've been reading in Sen. Johnson's releases, Crooks bought 5.56x45mm ammunition. As you're well aware, there can be plenty of variation in muzzle velocity from one round to the next, and more from some manufacturers than others. For the rounds Crooks fired, I get average velocities along the roughly 142 yard distance from his muzzle to the podium microphone that range from 2,610 to 2,780fps and average 2,680 fps, although these estimates assume that each bullet came equally close to the podium microphone, which clearly wasn't the case, so there's some error in the estimates. Having said that, an average velocity of 2,780 fps over a distance of 142 yards is just about exactly what I would predict for a 55 grain 5.56mm bullet fired from a 14.5” barrel, assuming well made ammo and a well maintained firearm.
Beaver ESU fired a 9th shot at Crooks immediately after Crook's 8th, ostensibly from that window as observed. Did they miss? Then there is a delay of the USSS shot, numbering 10