Hip Hop Fan Reacts To Joy Division - Love WiIl Tear Us Apart
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Looking forward to when Syed makes it to The Smiths 💙
Every song is perfect (except 1 or 2) 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yeah, How Soon Is Now? will totally floor him.
Hope he doesn't go for the most popular ones.
SO many simply AMAZING bands from Manchester in the 70s/80s! Joy Division, The Smiths, Buzzcocks, The Stone Roses...
Minor correction: "Love Will Tear Us Apart" didn't appear on the album Closer, but was only released as a single, and was later included on the compilation LP Substance.
There's a US TV show interview out there where Keanu Reeves is put on the spot and asked if you could only listen to one song ever again which would it be, and he chose this one.
The magic happens when it's in context, i.e. the early 80s. I remember hearing songs like this on the way to a pub or party and it felt so industrial and wintery and lonely. It connected to where working class people were at, and it was quite a change from the polished pop of the 70s.
These boys could play, I would strongly recommend their 'Atmosphere' for a reaction.
Moody feeling is because this is post punk, dark wave, Goth. The Cure, Sioxsee and the Banshees,, Clan of Xymox, Xmal Deushcland, Echo and the Bunnymen, The Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, New Order, etc. Its a dark sound but upbeat at the same time. Melancholy. Modern bands like The Killers, Interpol, She Past Away, Boy Harsher, Twin Tribes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Frozen Autumn, Lebanon Hanover, etc are part of this genre and influences too.
Love Will Tear Us Apart is an answer song to the 70’s super mega-hit Love Will Keep Us Together, by The Captain and Tennille.
I had never thought of that. Nice insight.
The movie 'Closer' is a great dramatisation of Curtis and Joy Division.
The drummer is awesome
"La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" ("Lucidity is the wound closest to the sun") wrote René Char. Ian Curtis was a great lyricist and definitly a lucid man.
Don't think of the chorus as meaning "Love will tear [the two of] us apart [from each other]," but that "Love will tear [each of] apart [individually]." The feeling of "I love you so much, and I believe you love me, but it just isn't working together" really does tear you apart and into pieces.
When people take there life and something growing out of death and new order in to life when the seed of life turns great music
After Ian Curtis's death, the band replaced him with keyboardist Gillian Gilbert and changed their name to New Order. Check out "Blue Monday" for a good entry into New Order.
Their punk origins were left behind when they were put in a recording studio with local producer Martin Hamnet (1948-1991) who re-invented them into the Joy DIvision we all know - with a sound the band initially didn't even like.
Ian was an epileptic and I've seen a film from one of their gigs where he's having a fit on stage. Their song She's Lost Control is worth checking out.
Music videos give a whole picture of their look, style, mood especially 80s bands.
amazing when you think Ian Curtis was only 23 (TWENTY THREE) whilst singing here with that incredibly deep voice. Oh yes I am getting Closer their final lp and Transmission signed by original legendary bassist of Joy Division ➗️ and New Order Peter Hook 🪝
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The survivors became New Order
2:15 And not just moody and melancholic as you say, but also driven. If you ever see any of the video of him performing this, there was just something hypnotic about him, he was so weird but he was so driven. It's this neurotic element that just makes it all so incredible.
And obviously I haven't finished their action yet so I don't know if it comes up, but it would be fascinating for you to check out what happened after he died, when they morphed into New Order, and it wasn't corporate in any way, but they went a lot more pop and they were hugely successful and deservedly so.
Loved New Order but loathed JD.
@@DawnSuttonfabfour I knew a lot of people slightly younger than me that felt the same way. But because I identified so much with that early post-punk movement, I was so wrapped up with Joy Division and Wire and all of the others; that's just the mindset right? You see them as revolutionary for the counterculture and it's just so compelling and you hear it at all the parties and you even hear it at dance clubs if it's a cool place to go, and so forth. And everybody bought the album.
And it was tragic when Ian Curtis died. So it was only after that that New Order came out. So obviously it would be impossible for me to see it the other way around, just literally physically impossible. But I liked them both, so I get the best of both worlds. 😀
She's Lost Control found their absolute sweet spot imo.
Excellent reaction Syed.
Please can I just add a wee word about Bert Bachrach who died today age 94.
Bert wrote some of the greatest songs of the 60's, along with his co writer Hal David.
This Guys in Love with You, Walk On By, Message to Michael, Raindrops keep falling on my Head, Do you know the way to San Jose?, 24 Hours from Tulsa, What the World Needs Now.
The list is endless and I would go so far as to say Bachrach/David were America's Lennon and McCartney. Artists from Dionne Warwick to Dusty Springfield, Tom Jones, Herb Alpert and Frank Sinatra covered their songs.
A great loss to American music.
A great synth band that was years ahead of other bands from the punk era. If you really want to get into this band try listening to "Transmission." After Ian died the remaining members formed New Order, which became one of the seminal New Wave synth bands of the 80s and early 90s, with a totally different more pop oriented sound that routinely got regular air play on MTV.
Many of us consider Ian Curtis like a Romanticism poet, but a modern and urban one. Some of his lines are pure magic.
If you let me do a recommendation to you, and to everyone that read this, watch the film by Anton Corbijn* "CONTROL" about Ian and the birth of Joy Division. It's a work of art in B&W.
(*) Corbijn is a photographer, designer, film and videoclip director. He is Author of some iconic pictures and album covers: Joy Division, Depeche Mode, U2, Morrisey, Springsteen, The Killers, Miles Davis, John Lee Hooker, REM...
Phenomenal song! Manchester, England, was THE place to be in the 1980s!!! :-)
I love the transition from punk to new wave (and the pre new wave music which was called post punk!)
Maybe try their song shadow play. Great reaction and choice
New Order "Bizarre Love Triangle"
God, I love that song....I was always requesting DJ's play it when I went to bars.
one of my most fav new wave music of all time my generation colorful 80s
After Ian Curtis Would Pass Away,, The Group Would Reform As "New Order"
The effect on his voice comes from an AMS Reverb and Delay where you can modulate the sound with an lfo and filters afaik
Joy Division are up for the RRHOF. Thanks for reacting!
I've typically noticed lots of hate of this kind of music from people who enjoy prog. They think it's boring, repetitive, poorly played, and simplistic. I've also seen bitterness because this music is what some think "destroyed" the prog scene or something lol.
I am totally fine with repetition because it can create and sustain a particular atmosphere and can almost put you in somewhat of a trance. Solos can be nice and definitely add value to a song, but I don't need them. Some people don't like the "depressing" nature of this music, but for many it's cathartic. I love the DIY nature of punk music because it opened the music world to people who weren't classically trained musicians and those who learned on the spot!
Even though it's not your thing really, it's cool you're open to continuing. Just so you know, this is probably their most accessible song so you may be thrown off by what's to come. It may take repeat listens to get used to the sound (if you even care enough which you probably won't 😂). Enjoy!!
Bit of a correction - *Joy Division* may have been short-lived as a band, but after the death of the lead singer (Ian Curtis) the remaining three members of the band (guitarist Bernard Sumner, bassist Peter Hook, and drummer Stephen Morrison) continued forward as before under the band name “New Order”, adding Morrison’s girlfriend (later wife) Gillian Gilbert to play synths and sometimes guitar, while Sumner took over singing duties.
New Order has had an extremely long, prolific, and creatively fruitful career and are absolutely worth checking out - I’d check out the song “Age of Consent” and “Temptation” by them to start with for a good idea of their sound and how it differs from Joy Division.
They influenced the Cure, a great band that was also moody as fk. Listen to the whole Disinigration album by the Cure, a masterpiece.
6:15 onwards James Sit Down! yes this was an influence on Sit down! 😮
RIP Ian.
Massive song for my generation mate.
What a classic
The band's name Joy Division borrows a phrase from the Nazi lexicon which were groups of Jewish women in the concentration camps who were kept for the sexual pleasure of Nazi soldiers. When Ian Curtis died, the band reached back into Nazi jargon again for the name New Order. Joy Division are also considered to be the very roots of Goth music, or Emo as is is called now.
Emo, while having many similar elements to Goth Rock, has a different history (along with sounding completely unlike early Goth/Post Punk acts like Joy Division, Bauhaus, Sisters Of Mercy, etc). Emo was born out of DC and Midwest American Post-Hardcore groups during the mid to late Eighties while Goth was born from English Post Punk groups during the late Seventies to early Eighties.
Now you need to try Bauhaus,Peter Murphy,Sisters of Mercy!
"Bela Lugosi's dead" what a track
@@swfcocs1 Second the "Bela Lugosi" recommendation. Even after decades, still in my playlist, an absolute beast of a song.
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Definitely SOM, early stuff is when Andrew Eldritch really captured the essence of the Lizard King himself, Jim Morrison.
I’ve heard the Taste in his mouth was a reference to a strange taste he has before his epileptic seizures
Closer doesn't have love will tear us apart on it ❤
Also..apart from compression there's not much effect on his voice
And it's new wave/goth
Not full on EMO ❤
Just discovered your channel. I’m really enjoying your insightful analysis.
Control is a great movie about Ian and the band. Fantastic
isolation, insight, she's lost control.
love will tear us apart is fairly soft and conventional for joy division, who really explore rarely trodden grounds both in terms of audio landscaping and emotional experience.
Experimental and candid in a way that is as rare now as it was then.
Always make me sad... Nice reaction as always
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For a first listen you broke it down well.
Ive seen other reactions to this song and they were smiling at how happy the song is?
So ya done good my G
Curtis was one poor, doomed fellow. Vids of his live performances just ooze despair and drowning. Amazing band.
A classic up there with free bird love you
Marriage is a contract (signing over one's Soul),
infidelity (a matter of the Heart) a 'Tear'/
a pull of TWO loves, not a "falling" apart.
"Two ways to choose...Designs for both" [Something Must Break]
You gotta react to the live version of "transmission " by Joy Division , also "atmosphere " by them As for the name, the joy division were Jewish and polish women enslaved by the nazis and forced to sex work for Getman soldiers
I Would love to see Syed react to The Moody blues
I highly recommend you check out the film '24 Hour Party People'.
Now your getting there. Joy Division one of the best and most influential bands of the late 70's, lyrically and musically so innovative, such a shame, they never lasted long enough to realise their full potential, but they became New Order and gave us many more years of great music. RIP Ian Curtis, you beautiful, troubled soul, a genuine troubadour.
Yeah man, you gotta see Curtis dance.
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The "Emo" thing you are hearing was called Goth.
Pleasee react to more of them!!
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Smiths/Morrissey next please
"Proto-Emo" ... Right on, Syed.
Proto-Goth would be more apt.
It's highly emotional, but not melodramatic
I never knew the band formed after a Sex Pistols concert. I thought I knew Joy Division but I'm just a noob 😳
Love WiIl Tear Us Apart is a great anti-love-song, in the spirit of 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover or These Boots Are Made for Walkin'
Nothing against those other songs, but this is completely different.
Suggestion to check in The Jam that was also an awesome post punk band. “Private hell” and “That’s entertainment” are two tracks among many many gems…
I think it's interesting that you're doing that, having just watched your Clasj reaction yesterday, and I was pointing out other bands from this side of the pond that should be on your radar.
But as far as over there, absolutely Joy Division and also I would say Wire. Both of them are not what I would call punk, but rather post-punk. And I also love Echo & the Bunnymen by the way, that album Ocean Rain was just stellar.
But absolutely check out some Wire, and this would be one of my favorites, Two People In A Room, and it is fairly short but really intense:
m.th-cam.com/video/KjRzgZYpoPQ/w-d-xo.html
Wondered when you would get here...This isn't an album track btw. Try Disorder next from Unknown pleasures , you've probably already seen the Tee shirt...
SALFORD YESSS
watch the movie control it might shed some lite on the band especialy curtis
postpunk great
First :)
Very boring simplistic song