Creating Chaos? .300 AAC Gorilla 110gr Lehigh Controlled Chaos Gel Test
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- Does the .300 AAC version of the Gorilla's Controlled Chaos stack up to the .223 version we tested earlier? We shoot it from an 8" upper into calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin to find out.
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Penetration: 21.2"
Retained weight: 96.8gr
Max expansion: N/A
Min expansion: N/A
Neck: 1"
TSC: 8" x 3.5"
Velocities in fps:
2,126
2,093
2,129
2,107
2,096
Average: 2,110
StdDev: 16.66
Min: 2,093
Max: 2,129
Spread: 36
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I shot a quick gel test of this when I visited Gorilla this year and it's impressive for sure 👍🏾
What's the difference between them loading Lehigh defense bullets versus a hand loader? Wouldn't it be cheaper? And wouldn't I be able to tailer a bullet otherwise neutered bullet.
Probably the only person I’ve seen say anything bad about Lehigh.. then saying wow I’m impressed
When I imagine gimmicky bullets, I think civil defense or RIP.
I think Lehigh is trying to innovate as much as possible. Some are misses, some are solid copper hits.
And I wanted to try out the RIP ammunition
The only people who don't make mistakes are the ones not doing anything. Colt is a good example of that. To my knowledge, they've not innovated at all. They appear to have stagnated after securing their government contracts. They're also outrageously expensive.
Anyway, it's good that Lehigh is experimenting. Oddly enough, Controlled Chaos bullets are some of the only projectiles available for reloading. A friend of mine has an AR in .300 and I've already got the press and will be getting the dies and projectiles soon. Now if I could only get some primers.......
YES!!! Lehigh is NOT a gimmick ammo..... rip is and others but Ive used Lehigh in lots of diff calibers and its ALWAYS been legit as fuck!! Andrew is for the most part correcto BUT on this no you don’t you sexxxy stud you..... and you even say it after the round explodes in gel block and penetrates for days!!!! Cmon man
That civil stuff is really fun. I'm on the fence about being a gimmick as 9mm at 2000fps and the ability to penetrate soft armor makes it a pretty mean round. That being said I don't carry it lol. But I do load it into my apc9 and absolutely destroy rabbits. I guess it's like a 9mm varmint round for me lol
@@RockinRack good round if your going to be at crowded events no worry of over penetration and those are the most likely places to encounter a mass shooter wearing soft armor .
The Lehigh 110g Lehigh CC was designed for higher velocities. The Lehigh 115g CC was designed for the shorter barrels such as the 8" you performed this test with. With those, you would have gotten a larger stretch cavity with better fragmentation.
I'm not seeing a 110gr Lehigh on Gorilla anyway...they only have 115gr. So this would be optimal for my 7.5" unsupressed HD gun?
@@ScottSohn Yes. th-cam.com/video/11wnQFWhAXA/w-d-xo.html
Very interesting, thank you for your input, J Lor. I'll look 'em up.
Good lord that obliterated the gel that wound channel was grizzled as hell looks like a great round!
It IS!!!! Andrew got this one wrong when he says “gimmicky” ammo..... name me one bullet by lehigh that doesn’t perform??? You can’t!!! The only thing that saves Andrew is he is “oh so sexy” and I love him 😘❤️
Always amazing to hear those looking for any kind of notoriety to jump on board with like minded wannabe's and talk crap on a company that does in fact make some amazing stuff. You are no expert.
That's a nice looking permanent wound channel. The temporary wound channel in the slo-mo is awesome, too!
Late to the party, but I've hunted Whitetail with these Lehigh Defense rounds in 300 blackout (bolt action) for years and never had to track a deer one step. Just ordered a couple more boxes because I finally found them in stock again.
I've hunted lots of rounds and this gun is the most fun. Thanks for this video.
Looking for a starter rifle.for my son to use on whitetail. This seems right on the money and with your experience. Thanks
More 300 Blackout tests!
I had some credit at my local firearms store and ended up with about 12 boxes of this exact load. Thanks for doing this test. I'm using a 16" barrel, so I'm assuming it would do better. I'm glad to hear you're impressed with it. I also agree there are better defensive loads out there. The TSC was damn impressive... that's gonna hurt. Thanks Andrew!
I'm curious to know how that performed...
@@drizzyrsx6200 I wasn't able to do a gel test, but maybe our Host can use a 16" and try it. I've fired random rounds from the 20 boxes I have, and no malfunctions. At least I can tell you that much. Very accurate as well, but I was only able to use the 30 yard indoor range.
@@TheWeatherbuff I also have a 16 inch 300 blackout. I'm curious what kind of range you could get out to with that range. I have been using SIG Sauer 125 grain and have been getting out to 400 fairly easily. Thinking 110 could get out to 500 to 600 with a good shooter.
@@drizzyrsx6200 I've certainly heard a lot of stories of good performance to at least 400. Interesting cartridge. I only focused on target shooting, and home defense. I've even invested in some copper 300AAC rounds, (not cheap). My 300 rifle is nothing special, so I doubt my rig would be a good test platform beyond 100, (I don't even have a scope on it). There's a good video from IV8888 about this round as well, which covers defense as well as hunting. It's a two-part video. Might wanna check it out.
@@TheWeatherbuff I will definitely have to go on the hunt to find those now..
In your video you stated that while the performance was impressive there were other better defensive rounds. What do you consider to be a better defensive round in 300 AAC?
Better than I thought it would.
Massive wound channel. That's a bad ass shirt
Lol. Thank you
I can only imagine what this projectile would do in a .308 loading. It would probably reduce penetration and increase wound cavity size greatly. Kinda picturing a frag grenade going off...
@Sandy V. Agree. PureCountry is not understanding why faster speeds slow down many bullet types. With the front of these Controlled Chaos coming off nearly immediately after penetration, the core would have the extra energy to go even farther.
Agree completely. Show me an actual event and I will listen a little more. Otherwise unless I’m getting these for reloading at a steal there isn’t much reason to try these.
110 gr TAC-TX!!! That's worked great for me.
He tested those and they did fantastic! I bought some and tested them as well and they are what I use for hd right now
chipotlelover82 I use them for hunting and home defense. Of course, I've never had to shoot anyone, but that's what's loaded. It knocks the crap out of deer, hogs, and raccoons just blow up.
@@matthewhill1163 Yeah I've heard they perform fantastically hunting. Woe to the person who finds themselves in front of these!
By the way, there is very similar but faster load. 110 grains 6.5 Grendel Lehigh Defense controlled chaos. As per Lehigh load data you can get 2535 fps with H335 powder. Significantly better BC as well.
@762x35mm This video is about supersonic round.
That- is an awesome shirt.
That shirt is more impressive than the 300aac round.
@762x35mm I bet you are the life of a party! But...To answer your question, no it doesn't impress me. It does what it does and has its place. Its nothing spectacular unlike his shirt which is actually quite impressive!
OUCH! That's gonna hurt!😱😱😱
So does temperature play a big part when it comes to how soft those gel blocks are when we talk about penetration?
110gr is the way to go in my opinion. Not trying to discredit the video by any means. Gel just dosent always represent the bullets true potential keep that in mind. Its accurate and it does its job out of my 7.5"SBR. 200 yards no problem. Live media is the true way to test. My experience hunting with it, it works like a charm. Plus suppressed this round still seems to be hearing safe
Please review the 7.62x39 version! I just bought a box from underwood for hunting I'm anxious to see the results
I second this. From the testing I've seen just regular old soft points tend to get pretty impressive results from 7.62x39, with around 16 inches of penetration and massive wound cavities which make it excellent as a defensive round. I'm curious to see how these would compare. I'm especially curious how the penetration compares to the lighter controlled chaos bullets fired from the 300BLK.
So this goes through the second wall? Sweet.
I think your description of Lehigh is a little unfair. Lehigh does oddball stuff yes. But it always does exactly what they claim it does. I really can't think of a single product that doesn't. In a couple of cases what it does maybe very niche for usefulness.... But in general their defense and their controlled chaos line has been consistently excellent performers. They're an innovation company not a gimmick company. There are plenty of gimmicky things out there such as the RIP branded stuff. Lehigh is a different type of company.
Gimmicks?
Viper Weapon System's 2016/2017 ballistic tests of handgun rounds showed that Lehigh's Xtreme Defense bullets create the best permanent wound cavities of all tested bullets, both in gel and in animal tissue...
You should read it, if you haven't already.
The TC looked about 12-13 long and 4 inches wide...considering it bests most 300blk rounds and all 556 rounds I'd say it was impressive. Worked as designed, same as the majority of Lehigh's stuff :/
300 AAC, gel is higher density that flesh anyway. Leigh makes some impressive rounds. While people like to call them "gimmicks" most innovative rounds were gimmicks" at first.
"The IWBA published some of Gene Wolberg’s material from his study of San Diego PD officer involved shootings that compared bullet performance in calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin with the autopsy results using the same ammunition. When I last spoke with Mr. Wolberg in May of 2000, he had collected data on nearly 150 OIS incidents which showed the majority of the 9mm 147 gr bullets fired by officers had penetrated 13 to 15 inches and expanded between 0.60 to 0.62 inches in both human tissue and 10% ordnance gelatin. Several other agencies with strong, scientifically based ammunition terminal performance testing programs have conducted similar reviews of their shooting incidents with much the same results--there is an extremely strong correlation between properly conducted and interpreted 10% ordnance gelatin laboratory studies and the physiological effects of projectiles in actual shooting incidents." - Dr. Roberts
"The test of the wound profiles validity is how accurately they portray the projectile-tissue interaction observed in shots that penetrate the human body. Since most shots in the human body traverse various tissues, we would expect the wound profiles to vary somewhat, depending on the tissues traversed. However, the only radical departure has been found to occur when the projectile strikes bone: this predictably deforms the bullet more than soft tissue, reducing its overall penetration depth, and sometimes altering the angle of the projectile's course. Shots traversing only soft tissues in humans have shown damage patterns of remarkably close approximation to the wound profiles.
The bullet penetration depth comparison, as well as the similarity in bullet deformation and yaw patterns, between human soft tissue and 10% ordnance gelatin have proven to be consistent and reliable. Every time there appeared to be an inconsistency a good reason was found and when the exact circumstances were matched, the results matched. The cases reported here comprise but a small fraction of the documented comparisons which have established 10% ordnance gelatin as a valid tissue simulant." - Dr. Fackler
Checking my Magnetospeed V3 velocity/load data records:
19.5gr of Win296 will comfortably get that 110gr Controlled Chaos velocity up to 2400+fps in a 16" BA barrel, and around 2300+fps in a 8.3" BA barrel.
Gorilla loads seem very conservative.
My first 5 rounds of load development at 18.5gr of Win296 gave me an average velocity of 2273fps with a 16.9 SD from an 8.3" BA Hanson barrel.
300B can sling those bullets much faster without compressed loads. Commercial ammo is sometimes meg, but don't let low velocities reflect negatively on bullet performance.
Since I know you reload, you can't judge a bullet too harshly from commercial load. Get the bullets and use Lehigh's load data.
You sure did seem to be impressed with the 115gr CC a few years ago. What were the velocity differences between the 110gr and 115gr?
What are some of the better 300 blk loadings that Andrew mentioned in the video?
This one looks good
Says it’s not the best 300 BLack round but doesn’t tell us what round is. 😡
Am I seeing things or did the bullet zig zag at about the 6 inch mark. 1:05
It looks like the controlled chaos copper projectile would have performed better, since it has a much lower fragmentation threshold.
I think you may be correct.
I would to see this in a 10.5 and 16” barrel. 2100 is pretty low
Watching this video reminded me of the Barnes 110 gr tsx blacktop, a highly respected round. Wonder how it might compare to this, have you ever tested the Barnes? Nice video.
Yes, on my own channel a while back. I should redo it for this channel.
Awesome video 👍.Happy New Year ❤.May The Almighty God bless and protects you all 🙏🙏.
What other 300 aac rounds would you recommend for home defense?
2:20 Andrew you told me to make penetration joke. Challenge accepted
Ok, shoot.
Well? We're waiting!
@thechoppingblock, what blackout round do you think is better? That looked impressive, the 115gr would have been even better as it’s designed for lower velocities
110gr TAC-TX and a few others.
IDK your video on the HPR 110 tactx showed a smaller tsc and penetration. The 115gr Lehigh you tested performed even better. Is this just your disdain for Lehigh coming through or are you thinking about barrier penetration?
@@nickneider3428 barrier performance, and consistent performance from a statistically relevant number of professional labs and field results.
You should barrier test the 115gr Lehigh ❤️
@@nickneider3428 th-cam.com/video/11wnQFWhAXA/w-d-xo.html
You say there are better rounds. So what do you think is the best 300 AAC/BO round for self defense out of a 8.5” barrel?
Nothing better than this imho.
Wow, that performed better than I thought it would. I'm pretty impressed. I think I'll stick with the Barnes 110gr tac-tx for now. Did Gorilla ever get back to you?
No, I never heard from them.
@@chopinbloc That's crappy. Well, good video as usual brotha 👍
@@AlphaRomeoOneFive it's not a great time of year to get hold of vendors. They may get back to me later. Remind me and I'll hit them up after SHOT.
@@chopinbloc I'll do my best to remember. Just bought a bunch of fruit to test out some 300blk ammo on tomorrow lol. Happy New Year to you and the family bud!
that is a permanent cavity left in the block not a temporary cavity.
I know it's been awhile. Use 95 grain from Lehigh. A bit faster.
Just wondering but are we ever going to get away from using gel?? Like maybe breeding pigs for testing. Then after ship off to the slaughter house. I think using real tissue would give better understanding of what rounds are capable of doing.
What would it take to get some barrier tests with 300 blk? I suspect that the 300 would do well in barriers but until theres testing out there im still just speculating.
Again Andrew lets see 5.56 in a 8” barrel and see what it can do? How about any other round for that matter??
Can u do a 300 aac copilation vid of the top best performing rounds
Still would be highly desirable!!
Its a great hunting round
Which loads/bullet types do you think are better than the Gorilla Controller Chaos in 300 BLK for home defense? Now, it seems they are only selling a 115gr Controlled Chaos "Pig Punisher" at Gorilla.
When you say there are better options can you tell us what they are?
Do you think this ammo is suitable for deer hunting
Maybe try a 12.5 or 16 inch barrel I bet the results are better
I'm confused, does Lehigh Defense make this, or Gorilla Ammunition?
What is your thoughts on the best supersonic hunting ammo for 300 blackout
They should of made this round a couple grains lighter... I'd prefer to see 16inches of pentration, with more Energy dump, And velocity. opposed to 21 inches of pentration
Maybe if you had a 12"Brl or bether yet a 16"Brl 300BLK, you would have even better results...
What is your upper brl lenth, 7.5", or maybe 9"? So maybe it's not the 300BLK that sucks, but rather your choise of platform huh?
Can you try the 78 grain .300 blackout close quarters round from Lehigh? Looks interesting.
I'll see if I can get hold of some.
So what 300bkl round is the best bang for the buck?
it looked to me as if the projectile was tumbling as it went thru the block. Maybe it is my old eyes playing tricks on me? absolutely devastating regardless. Andrew where do you get your shirts, I have to have one like you have on for the lady in my life? she love Unicorns and Deadpool.
I think it was Walmart.
It looked like it tumbled to me too.
Fragmenting in a hunting round is horrible you need expansion not cutting up meat looking for metal.
What loads are better than controlled chaos?
Now this particular caliber does excellent in shorter barrels.... And I was going to make a joke about your stretch cavity, but penetration... c-mon, I'm more mature than that. Lol!. 🤗😁
Not a fan of fragmenting bullets. Thumbs up for video
You said there is better ammo than this on the market. What is the most devasting 300blk you have shot than this?
I don't get it, you say you don't like Lehigh but every time you make a video with their product you give it a great review. I know you says this was only "good" at the end but I say with that size permanent wounding the temporary does matter - the shot didn't provide adequate temporary cavity on the bad guy but the permanent wound made him bleed out and drop dead, it was only good performance - .
You really need to admit to yourself that Lehigh makes GREAT quality products. They have invested a huge amount of time and money into RnD and their end product shows it. They are an "outside the box" company. Maybe you just aren't an "outside the box" type of person. - Carrying 44mag for SD is an "outside the box" method, I carry 44mag sometimes -. Well, at least you have gotten okay at doing videos. ;)
Yes, I am biased against Lehigh for promoting an unproven wounding mechanism. Their Extreme Penetrator and Extreme Defense lines rely on an unproven mechanism that even Lehigh didn't intend. They originally marketed the EP line for penetration. In reality, any heavy for caliber FMJ or hard cast outperforms EP in regard to penetration by a long shot. But when EP was released several amateur ammunition testers noted significant disruption in gel. Lehigh then jumped on those reviews and released the ED line. but the supposed wounding mechanism has never actually been confirmed by any professional testing.
They also have a controlled fracturing line of pistol bullets that is complete snake oil. That is, it does do exactly what Lehigh claims, but fragmentation is not a good thing for pistol bullets.
Now, when it comes to some of the rifle ammunition, I have seen reasonably good performance and some and outstanding performance from others. I won't hesitate to give credit where it's due.
The Chopping Block Can you elaborate on what is considered “professional testing” when it comes to ammo?
Test some 205 gorilla they are bad 300 bko ammo for defence
Lol, I've touched them vital organs many times. Thankfully for her I'm not Chuck Norris, because there would have been an exit wound.
Which 300BO do you consider the best?
110gr TAC-TX or V-max. Sig 120gr HT is also very good.
Agree with your assessment and think a bit more penetration is a good thing-save for one detail concerning over penetration...”to the best of my knowledge that’s never happened.” What?! You need to read a bit more. It is an active factor you will see if only you look.
1:40 to 3:00 que 24 instances of That's what she said.
Someone send me some 300AAC I could definitely use that blessing during these times sponsor me having fun too I like shooting I like reloading
Do the Sierra 125 tmk in 300 blackout!
why not use 7.62X39mm? its a better round and a lot cheaper.
The bullets for it are crap, nobody sells reloading components for it, it's louder when suppressed, worse parts compatibility with AR15s, more expensive magazines, performs worse than 300 blackout out of extra short barrels (shorter than 9 inches). It's only saving grace is price and factory ammo for it now is almost the same price as 300 blackout now due to the Ukraine War drying up supply (0.41 vs 0.45).
@@entropyapathy oh ok
Did you mean Le-High, french for getting stoned?
Baldwin shot someone and the bullet continued on to penetrate a bystander.... Over penetration happens . ...
Ive used it for hunting whitetsil deer and the result were fantastic. All 3 i shot with them (handload) were DRT. That being said......the Speer Gold Dot is a better projectile in every way except it contains lead.
This is not my preferred round for my 8" 300. Lehigh has a better choice
Just saw another video of yours and you seem to be a bit of a hater of Lehigh. You try to hide it among a few good words but gimmicky don't describe Lehigh. I've never shot gell with it but more animals than you can count.
Andrew, are you sure it's 110 grains ? I looked at both Lehigh Defense and Gorilla sites and for 300BLK controlled chaos they have only 115 grains.
Yes, it's 110gr. You can find it on Gorilla's site if you google search it. It's showing out of stock which is likely why you aren't seeing it on there.
@Hunts4Food67 110gr TAC-TX and V-MAX, Sig 120gr HT.
Those velocities are getting really close to the 2000 fps cutoff for temporary stretch cavity being a significant wounding effect according to Fackler. I have reservations on 300 blackout and 7.62x39 out of short barrels because of this. If I read Fackler correctly this gives a very limited range until these rounds start wounding like a pistol round through only crushed tissue.
I'm certainly not qualified to dispute Fackler's findings, but I suspect that velocity is only the primary factor and that 2,000 fps is just a general rule of thumb. If we were to compare the actual size of the TSC on high speed, I think that's where we would be more likely to be about to make real conclusions about the effect of TSC in regard to wounding. And you would find that a 77gr TMK produces a larger TSC on high speed than this does.
I’ve never heard anyone shit on Lehigh…..
Shit with the right bullet 300 blk is better than 556😮
6 months ago we had an officer involved shooting where he engaged the threat and the round went through the bad guy and killed a uninvolved party behind him... you not ever hearing about over penetration causing a situation like that was a very amateur comment to make showing that you don’t know a anything about self defense situations
Listen to what I said again and see if you can tell me which part your missed the first time through. ;-)
So what is your current favorite 300 AAC blackout round for home defense?
110gr TAC-TX, Sig 120gr HT, 110gr V-MAX.
@@chopinbloc thanks.
Since you mentioned it, have you tested a mk318 bullet through a 9" .300blk barrel? Also, what other .300blk loads would you recommend over this one?
Yes, I did: th-cam.com/video/vZj2UIREyXE/w-d-xo.html
110gr TAC-TX and V-MAX, Sig 120gr HT.
Looks nasty...either way, someone hit with one of those is gonna have a real bad day.
What are those loads?
First!
Alec Baldwin
This guy is full of crap .. Shoots a 110 grain 300aac with a pistol length barrel and a suppresser. who fires a super sonic round with a suppresser Try that with a 556 . you get a slow moving 22
.300 blackout in both subsonic and supersonic is designed for short barrels. Around 9" is optimal according to AAC.
Also your typical modern suppressor will actually _increase_ velocity, if only by a dozen or two FPS; it's called freebore boost. .223/5.56 has been observed as an exception and you can loose a dozen or so FPS with a can attached.
You may be thinking of suppressors that work with a ported barrel that vent gases into the suppressor like a welrod or MP5SD, and their purpose, beyond cooling and slowing the gases exiting the barrel, is to take standard pressure ammunition and make it subsonic.
A suppressed 8" 5.56 barrel will shoot 55gr M193 at around 2400 FPS.
Wish I could use this in my pistol, but I don’t want the ATF coming to shoot my dog... 🙄
Too much talking
What are the other loads that are better then this round as mentioned in the video can you gives us some examples?