You believe that 22 minutes is long and I believe I started watching and then it was over. Completely lost track of time. You are an exceptional teacher. Enjoy watching and learning from you.
I am so happy to hear you say you're not going to Florida, that you're going to keep buying tools and searching for plunder! That's awesome Tubalcain! Keep it up!
Another great video Sir. I must confess I am a bit jealous of your shop. I love the part when you said, lets go down to the basement shop. You earned every thing you have and we get to enjoy watching you work your magic. Being a student in your high school shop must have been wonderful. Thanks for making this great video and sharing with us. Love the close ups, so we can see exactly what you are doing and talking about, plus no annoying music that drowns out what you are saying. I have a 9 in SB lathe, however my shop has been taken over by my wife's adopted cat. It's only temporary according to the wife. Our dog is not having any part of "Meecha" the cat coming into the house. Again, thanks for this great video, stay safe and have a great day....Ken
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I have the same shaper and had to do the same repair several years ago, I love your channel and you remind me alot of my shop teacher from 40 years ago. Thank you sir.
Not too long at all - Problem noted, identified, what and how to fix it, and then the fix! Wonderful way to spend a few minutes in the morning. Cup of coffee, Mr Pete on video, slow rolling thunder outside, and a dog in my lap because she is doesn't really care for the thunder!
So nice to see someone have a real love for old machines. Would love to have that real nice Bridgeport milling machine that you were using too. Keep up the great work and peace to you too. Make more videos !!!!!
One of these exact shapers sold for $1200.00 at an auction I was at the other day, blew my mind. Then what really set of off kilter was that I bought a Fadal 4020 machining center in fine condition at the same auction for $1100.00, no joke. My brain was temporary broken on how these things sold. Awesome work you're doing on that one.
Mr Pete I'm glad your doing videos on that southbend shaper I wasn't aware of that adjustment wrench I'll have to make one for my SB shaper the one I have is newer than yours mine has the oil pump thanks again for your time
Thanks for working on this machine. I bought this exact machine last week. I have not turned it on yet as I am almost completely disassembling it to get it restored. Unfortunately, the top dovetail oilers were clogged, so that part of the dovetails are pretty gauled up. The part that raises the Z axis is also completely messed up. Will have to see what I see when I manage to get the table off. I will make sure to take a good look at the part you made in case I need to make one myself. Edit: The bottoms of the dovetails are also not at all flat, so I am going to be scraping those in too.
G’day Mr Pete that’s a lovely old machine and you did a great job of fixing her. It was good that you still had the explosive drawings of the parts thank you regards John
Good video. I had a similar issue with my Atlas shaper. The crankpin had a broken weld that took forever to find,it caused issues with getting a good finish. All is well now.
I like the way you see something that needs fixing, and step to the machine shop for the job. That's what I use my Logan lathe, and Index mill for. I would like to see you build a carridge lock for the logan lathe. I've found that a replacement on e-bay is around 60.00, and way too high. With the wierd shape, holding in the mill would be challenging. Great video.
Thanks for sharing that, Mr. Pete - I'm in the process of functionally rebuilding an Alba 1A shaper, and will need to make some repairs in the block area of it. While some of the parts have slight differences, the basic operation is the same. The thing is that I will need to make a new sliding block, and seeing that yours uses bronze I might make my new one out of bronze too.
Another triumph Mr Pete. You have given me a great start to my day. I always enjoy an informative video from you. And thanks for muting the sound as nessary.
Thank you for this nice video. When you had problems with camera focusing the part in the square collet a phrase that AvE uses crossed my mind. I know you wouldn't use it but it made me smile!
Lyle, This part will have to be heat treated like the original probably was. The one you took out that was bent was likely a shop made part that wasn't heat treated, so it bent. I would use 1090 drill rod to make it from, then heat treat and quench, then draw it back to maybe Rc 40 or so. Then polish any bearing surfaces in the lathe. It should be as good as the South Bend part.
This is great. You have the same Armstrong tool holder. I just picked up a 7” Rhodes Shaper. Having a ball, I don’t know anything about a Shaper. It appears I have some homework on hss tool bit grinding for the shaper.
They are not hard to find. However, you better be prepared to pay up. I bought an Ammco model 4.5 years ago for $400 in beautiful condition. The equivalent are now selling for well over $1000 and some in excess of $2000.
I had trouble visualizing how that clamping mechanism was supposed to work and how it failed until I saw that it clamped in a slot on the rotating part, not on the oscillating part. Now it's completely clear to me. There's no threaded stroke positioner like on its much bigger cousins. It's also clear why you were not worried about the brass slider. That's not part of the champing problem you're trying to solve at all. That little shaper is just as cute as a little speckled pup. While I wish something like it was in my shop, there's no room so I'll be satisfied with watching yours. Thank you.
Excellent job Mr. Pete! Nicely paced and showing just enough for most folks to understand what's going on. The more intriguing part of the failure still eludes me though. How is it that just cycling power caused the machine to slip but did not seem to while continuously running? Start up torque?
Great Example of maintaining your machinery. Machines Keeping Other Machines running. Those Locking Bushing ears look fairly fragile and it looks like over-tightening over time has taken it's toll; Fortunately it was simple to make a new part. Glad also you used a collet block to it's best advantage: no need to find the edge with great precision...just take a cut, flip the block 180 degrees and take another and measure.
Nice work. I wonder if the original damage was caused by a missing wrench, then someone used a ratchet and socket and ended up over-tightening it causing the ears to bend. Anyway, seems to be working very nicely now.
Lyle, Thanks for another great video. Now my questions: 1. Why didn't you use your SOUTH BEND lathe to remake the bushing? ;) 2. When center drilling the bushing your drill looked like it jumped to the right about half a mile. Then when you used the two twist drills, they appeared to jump about the far to the left. Why do the drills jump around like that and why doesn't it matter? I'm looking forward to more educational shaper videos!
Drills are lousy at making centered, perfectly round holes. First because they can't really cut right at the center of the bit, and second because of how and where they remove material. A boring bar is the usual go to for getting both roundness and concentricity, a reamer when dimensions are critical.
Alright!! I've been anxiously awaiting this video series. Great explanation and fix. The auto advance feed paw on my SB 7" shaper is sticky. Would love to see how you would address something like this!
have you disassembled yours? I've got one I'm in the process of cleaning up, and as I recall it was very straightforward to completely take apart the entire advance mechanism.
I think the ears might have been Bent by over torquing trying to get it to not slip by other people also. Anyway looks like problem solved again. Well done
Enjoyed seeing your process and this wonderful old machine!! I would like to know if it is holding and still working also, if there are any other issues for repair/remanufacture. Thank you!!
Was the one ear bent as some notes or worn down? Could you have milled new flats at 90 degrees to the old if you could not turn a nice new part? I have not seen anyone show how to grind a cutter compared to one used on the lathe.
My Steptoe has the adjustment and lock outside the case, on the operators side. I noticed recently that the lock doesn't seem to do much. There isn't any problem with it holding it's stroke length, but I should probably make sure there isn't any damage happening. Considering the long period of non-use that it had before I got it, I'm thinking that what the knurled collar pushes against to lock the stroke length may be stuck.
You believe that 22 minutes is long and I believe I started watching and then it was over. Completely lost track of time. You are an exceptional teacher. Enjoy watching and learning from you.
I am so happy to hear you say you're not going to Florida, that you're going to keep buying tools and searching for plunder! That's awesome Tubalcain! Keep it up!
That part is good for another 70 years. Cheers.
Another great video Sir. I must confess I am a bit jealous of your shop. I love the part when you said, lets go down to the basement shop. You earned every thing you have and we get to enjoy watching you work your magic. Being a student in your high school shop must have been wonderful. Thanks for making this great video and sharing with us. Love the close ups, so we can see exactly what you are doing and talking about, plus no annoying music that drowns out what you are saying. I have a 9 in SB lathe, however my shop has been taken over by my wife's adopted cat. It's only temporary according to the wife. Our dog is not having any part of "Meecha" the cat coming into the house. Again, thanks for this great video, stay safe and have a great day....Ken
Remember to support the channel with a thankful donation $$$ for the time and expenses incurred producing this excellent video. Do it now before you forget.
I have the same shaper and had to do the same repair several years ago, I love your channel and you remind me alot of my shop teacher from 40 years ago. Thank you sir.
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Nice repair Tubalcain, gotta love those little shapers. Used one in my high school shop class..
I love to see old machines brought back into service. Great video Lyle, thumbs up.
Just got a South Bend shaper. Love It... Thank you for all the great videos...
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You’re metal working skills are over the top, I really enjoy seeing your craftsmanship keep the videos coming :)
Thank you very much
Not too long at all - Problem noted, identified, what and how to fix it, and then the fix! Wonderful way to spend a few minutes in the morning. Cup of coffee, Mr Pete on video, slow rolling thunder outside, and a dog in my lap because she is doesn't really care for the thunder!
Nicely done, neat little project.
Thanks.
That little shapers a beautiful machine.
I enjoy videos like this one where a problem is identified and corrected. Thanks!
Excellent fix. That has to be one of the most rewarding things..repairing a great old machine! Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
Nice machine Mr. Pete. First machine I learned how to operate in my grandfather's machine shop--- long time ago.
Always good to see solid old equipment brought back up to speed. Well done. Looks like I need to buy a square collet block. Handy piece of kit.
Thank you mr pete! I have been stuck with the exact same issue on a little aamco 7" and couldn't sort it out. Really appreciate all you do!
Your videos feel like the shop class I never had, thank you for making them with such care!
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Well done! Well diagnosed, well corrected!
So nice to see someone have a real love for old machines. Would love to have that real nice Bridgeport milling machine that you were using too. Keep up the great work and peace to you too. Make more videos !!!!!
As Always coffee and Mr.Pete222 the greatest way to start my sunday
Mr Wilson, I agree with you.
Mr Wilson, I agree with you.
Lovely old shaper, it's great to see it in the hands of someone who cares fore it.
One of these exact shapers sold for $1200.00 at an auction I was at the other day, blew my mind. Then what really set of off kilter was that I bought a Fadal 4020 machining center in fine condition at the same auction for $1100.00, no joke. My brain was temporary broken on how these things sold. Awesome work you're doing on that one.
Thanks
Mr Pete I'm glad your doing videos on that southbend shaper I wasn't aware of that adjustment wrench I'll have to make one for my SB shaper the one I have is newer than yours mine has the oil pump thanks again for your time
Great video as usual. Good job of detective work figuring out what was wrong. And of course a very good job of repair.
Hi Harold
Thanks for the video Lyle. That little shaper is neat.😎
Thanks for working on this machine. I bought this exact machine last week. I have not turned it on yet as I am almost completely disassembling it to get it restored. Unfortunately, the top dovetail oilers were clogged, so that part of the dovetails are pretty gauled up. The part that raises the Z axis is also completely messed up. Will have to see what I see when I manage to get the table off.
I will make sure to take a good look at the part you made in case I need to make one myself.
Edit: The bottoms of the dovetails are also not at all flat, so I am going to be scraping those in too.
I better check my oilers to see that they are open
As always it is a great class about machining.. Thank you Mr.Pete 222.
Those little South Bends are pretty cool. I enjoyed the repair. Thank you.
Lovely little shaper. I wish I had one. I'm glad you got it working properly.
Great job and I'm sure any older machines will produce similar projects. Thanks again for the great repair, Greg.
G’day Mr Pete that’s a lovely old machine and you did a great job of fixing her. It was good that you still had the explosive drawings of the parts thank you regards John
Good video. I had a similar issue with my Atlas shaper. The crankpin had a broken weld that took forever to find,it caused issues with getting a good finish. All is well now.
I like the way you see something that needs fixing, and step to the machine shop for the job. That's what I use my Logan lathe, and Index mill for. I would like to see you build a carridge lock for the logan lathe. I've found that a replacement on e-bay is around 60.00, and way too high. With the wierd shape, holding in the mill would be challenging. Great video.
Thanks for sharing that, Mr. Pete - I'm in the process of functionally rebuilding an Alba 1A shaper, and will need to make some repairs in the block area of it. While some of the parts have slight differences, the basic operation is the same. The thing is that I will need to make a new sliding block, and seeing that yours uses bronze I might make my new one out of bronze too.
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Another triumph Mr Pete. You have given me a great start to my day. I always enjoy an informative video from you. And thanks for muting the sound as nessary.
Thank you for this nice video. When you had problems with camera focusing the part in the square collet a phrase that AvE uses crossed my mind. I know you wouldn't use it but it made me smile!
Great video Something I always loved to know how to do or understand how it is done
Great job making a replacement part. I'm sure that would be a $65.00 part if ordered today. Always enjoyed using one.
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In fact I wouldn't make another one for any less than $200
Great video ..it’s nice to know machines can reproduce themselves
wow, common sense says they can ron!
Nice video Mr. Pete, thanks
THANK YOU...for sharing. Really enjoyed the repair.
enjoyed....great discussion/demonstration/build/repair.....NOW I want a small shaper....LOL
Very nice job.
Had a shaper in high school, don't really miss it.
Lyle, This part will have to be heat treated like the original probably was. The one you took out that was bent was likely a shop made part that wasn't heat treated, so it bent. I would use 1090 drill rod to make it from, then heat treat and quench, then draw it back to maybe Rc 40 or so. Then polish any bearing surfaces in the lathe. It should be as good as the South Bend part.
This is great.
You have the same Armstrong tool holder.
I just picked up a 7” Rhodes Shaper.
Having a ball, I don’t know anything about a Shaper.
It appears I have some homework on hss tool bit grinding for the shaper.
Good luck
Nice job on the repair
I love those little shapers I'm hoping to find one for my shop someday!!! Great repair job!!
They are not hard to find. However, you better be prepared to pay up. I bought an Ammco model 4.5 years ago for $400 in beautiful condition. The equivalent are now selling for well over $1000 and some in excess of $2000.
grntitan1 - we can thank the explosion of TH-cam machinists for that. They’ve made us all want shapers and planers.... I sure know I want one of each.
Haha, get the part from Grizzly. Thanks for another great lesson in using a lathe and mill to make a part. You are such a great teacher!
Thanks
Always interesting thanks for sharing 👍🇦🇺
Were those perhaps 1949 prices? Another great video, Professor. Thank you!
Nice project. always enjoy your vids. not too long at all.
Thanks for a another well-made video!
Has anyone ever told you that your pretty good with them, there machines??? Thanks for the enjoyable video!
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Nice repair, Mr. Pete. I've been waiting with baited breath for you to start on that shaper. LOL.
That's a nice little shaper : )
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Loved it. Can't wait until the next one. Keep up the good work kind Sir!
Believe it or not I have a little shaper and it's not an atlas and it's not a Southbend I'm going to have to look what it is excellent job mr. Pete
Very much appreciate your work. I have a SB shaper, and enjoyed this video.
That's a nice machine!
I ran shapers in High School!
The one I ran was allot bigger, would be nice to have one like yours!
Great video!
Thanks for the milling tip of rotating the stock instead of moving the bit to center both cuts.
my sb7 is doing the same thing. now i know the fix. thank you.
You need to show off that Minneapolis moline. Im a bit of a tractor collector myself and im sure im not the only one who watches this channel!
It is shown in several real old videos
I had trouble visualizing how that clamping mechanism was supposed to work and how it failed until I saw that it clamped in a slot on the rotating part, not on the oscillating part. Now it's completely clear to me. There's no threaded stroke positioner like on its much bigger cousins. It's also clear why you were not worried about the brass slider. That's not part of the champing problem you're trying to solve at all. That little shaper is just as cute as a little speckled pup. While I wish something like it was in my shop, there's no room so I'll be satisfied with watching yours. Thank you.
A most excellent video. Thank you for posting!
wonderful video, so happy to see this machine being taken care of
As always, very interesting.
Excellent job Mr. Pete! Nicely paced and showing just enough for most folks to understand what's going on. The more intriguing part of the failure still eludes me though. How is it that just cycling power caused the machine to slip but did not seem to while continuously running? Start up torque?
@Rich Wojehowski
I concur. Was going to suggest that he utilize a 'soft start' capability in the motor.
I don't think mrpete has ever had a soft start.....😉😉😉😉
Great Example of maintaining your machinery. Machines Keeping Other Machines running. Those Locking Bushing ears look fairly fragile and it looks like over-tightening over time has taken it's toll; Fortunately it was simple to make a new part. Glad also you used a collet block to it's best advantage: no need to find the edge with great precision...just take a cut, flip the block 180 degrees and take another and measure.
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Nice work. I wonder if the original damage was caused by a missing wrench, then someone used a ratchet and socket and ended up over-tightening it causing the ears to bend. Anyway, seems to be working very nicely now.
Thank you Mr Pete. Any plans to do a "How to run a Shaper" video?? I would buy it.
Lyle,
Thanks for another great video. Now my questions:
1. Why didn't you use your SOUTH BEND lathe to remake the bushing? ;)
2. When center drilling the bushing your drill looked like it jumped to the right about half a mile. Then when you used the two twist drills, they appeared to jump about the far to the left. Why do the drills jump around like that and why doesn't it matter?
I'm looking forward to more educational shaper videos!
Drills are lousy at making centered, perfectly round holes. First because they can't really cut right at the center of the bit, and second because of how and where they remove material. A boring bar is the usual go to for getting both roundness and concentricity, a reamer when dimensions are critical.
I because of how it works, perfect concentricity doesn't matter. Even a few thousandths would be just fine as long as there wasn't any play.
Loved it! Great video. Jealous of that shaper ya got there! 👍🏻😏
Interesting! Excellent editing!
I wish I hadn’t sold my Atlas 7”. Bummer. (Thanks for the lesson Mr. Pete!)
Good job, thank you.
Nice, You can make a series about how to fix older machineries. Wich I verry need to fix my Lathe that spend 30 years in a school or in Bubba shed.
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Thanks for sharing sir..
Alright!! I've been anxiously awaiting this video series. Great explanation and fix. The auto advance feed paw on my SB 7" shaper is sticky. Would love to see how you would address something like this!
have you disassembled yours? I've got one I'm in the process of cleaning up, and as I recall it was very straightforward to completely take apart the entire advance mechanism.
I suspect if someone used an 18 inch craftsman on your head your ears would probably be bent too... :D
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I'm thinking maybe those 'ears' got bent from the parts wobbling around for who knows how long...?
Cool video 👍
Projects breed projects!
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thanks for again a great video, is hardening the piece a suggestion?
Leila Nala no because you don’t want it to “skate” along on the piece it is clamping to, it will “bite” better if it is soft.
I think the ears might have been Bent by over torquing trying to get it to not slip by other people also. Anyway looks like problem solved again. Well done
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made me smile...
Good flow in this video.
Enjoyed seeing your process and this wonderful old machine!! I would like to know if it is holding and still working also, if there are any other issues for repair/remanufacture. Thank you!!
2:28 Your sarcastic jokes get to me. Lol.
Really enjoy your wry sense of humor, Lyle ! A morning chuckle or two starts the day on the right foot.
damn sometimes there are videos that you just cant like enough
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question tho.....those flanged ears that were bent seemed to me a little skimpy
Was the one ear bent as some notes or worn down? Could you have milled new flats at 90 degrees to the old if you could not turn a nice new part? I have not seen anyone show how to grind a cutter compared to one used on the lathe.
Great video!
Old machines are like old people they need the odd tune up and tlc Thanks
lol
Lovely
Like those lathe tools! Those are TNMG inserts? Is that one of the banggood toolholders?
A good example of using a high torgue tool for a low torque application. They give that stock wrench for a reason. Tighter is not always better.
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My Steptoe has the adjustment and lock outside the case, on the operators side. I noticed recently that the lock doesn't seem to do much. There isn't any problem with it holding it's stroke length, but I should probably make sure there isn't any damage happening. Considering the long period of non-use that it had before I got it, I'm thinking that what the knurled collar pushes against to lock the stroke length may be stuck.
Good fix
I own a little hand powered shaper its worn-out I'd like to rebuild it someday its old thumbs up thanks