Fixing My South Bend Shaper TIPS 571 tubalcain mrpete222
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- In this video, I make a repair part for my SOUTH BEND 7" shaper.
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Excellent fix. That has to be one of the most rewarding things..repairing a great old machine! Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
Thanks for the video Lyle. That little shaper is neat.😎
Nicely done, neat little project.
Thanks.
enjoyed....great discussion/demonstration/build/repair.....NOW I want a small shaper....LOL
I suspect if someone used an 18 inch craftsman on your head your ears would probably be bent too... :D
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I'm thinking maybe those 'ears' got bent from the parts wobbling around for who knows how long...?
Another great video Sir. I must confess I am a bit jealous of your shop. I love the part when you said, lets go down to the basement shop. You earned every thing you have and we get to enjoy watching you work your magic. Being a student in your high school shop must have been wonderful. Thanks for making this great video and sharing with us. Love the close ups, so we can see exactly what you are doing and talking about, plus no annoying music that drowns out what you are saying. I have a 9 in SB lathe, however my shop has been taken over by my wife's adopted cat. It's only temporary according to the wife. Our dog is not having any part of "Meecha" the cat coming into the house. Again, thanks for this great video, stay safe and have a great day....Ken
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This two lips are a joke for cranking it tight. And the 200lb Gorilla with the cheater bar is no good idea as well. But you made it like the factory and with that original key it should work another seventy years for you.
Were those perhaps 1949 prices? Another great video, Professor. Thank you!
This is great.
You have the same Armstrong tool holder.
I just picked up a 7” Rhodes Shaper.
Having a ball, I don’t know anything about a Shaper.
It appears I have some homework on hss tool bit grinding for the shaper.
Good luck
So the original replacement would have cost $0.91 .... Wow! .... Nice job ...
Great video as usual. Good job of detective work figuring out what was wrong. And of course a very good job of repair.
Hi Harold
damn sometimes there are videos that you just cant like enough
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Thanks for sharing that, Mr. Pete - I'm in the process of functionally rebuilding an Alba 1A shaper, and will need to make some repairs in the block area of it. While some of the parts have slight differences, the basic operation is the same. The thing is that I will need to make a new sliding block, and seeing that yours uses bronze I might make my new one out of bronze too.
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I like the way you see something that needs fixing, and step to the machine shop for the job. That's what I use my Logan lathe, and Index mill for. I would like to see you build a carridge lock for the logan lathe. I've found that a replacement on e-bay is around 60.00, and way too high. With the wierd shape, holding in the mill would be challenging. Great video.
I think the ears might have been Bent by over torquing trying to get it to not slip by other people also. Anyway looks like problem solved again. Well done
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I enjoy videos like this one where a problem is identified and corrected. Thanks!
Nice repair, Mr. Pete. I've been waiting with baited breath for you to start on that shaper. LOL.
Not too long at all - Problem noted, identified, what and how to fix it, and then the fix! Wonderful way to spend a few minutes in the morning. Cup of coffee, Mr Pete on video, slow rolling thunder outside, and a dog in my lap because she is doesn't really care for the thunder!
GREAT! SHOW MORE TIPS , CLAPPER , ....................CARL
Nice machine Mr. Pete. First machine I learned how to operate in my grandfather's machine shop--- long time ago.
"Designed and tested in USA, manufactured in China". Sort of says it all doesn't it ?
You believe that 22 minutes is long and I believe I started watching and then it was over. Completely lost track of time. You are an exceptional teacher. Enjoy watching and learning from you.
I am so happy to hear you say you're not going to Florida, that you're going to keep buying tools and searching for plunder! That's awesome Tubalcain! Keep it up!
Lovely old shaper, it's great to see it in the hands of someone who cares fore it.
That little shapers a beautiful machine.
In one of Gingery about making a shaper, the part that has given you is called a " Scotch Yoke" Perhaps designed by an inebriated engineer LOL. Cheers
Lyle, This part will have to be heat treated like the original probably was. The one you took out that was bent was likely a shop made part that wasn't heat treated, so it bent. I would use 1090 drill rod to make it from, then heat treat and quench, then draw it back to maybe Rc 40 or so. Then polish any bearing surfaces in the lathe. It should be as good as the South Bend part.
Great Example of maintaining your machinery. Machines Keeping Other Machines running. Those Locking Bushing ears look fairly fragile and it looks like over-tightening over time has taken it's toll; Fortunately it was simple to make a new part. Glad also you used a collet block to it's best advantage: no need to find the edge with great precision...just take a cut, flip the block 180 degrees and take another and measure.
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Nice work. I wonder if the original damage was caused by a missing wrench, then someone used a ratchet and socket and ended up over-tightening it causing the ears to bend. Anyway, seems to be working very nicely now.
Old machines are like old people they need the odd tune up and tlc Thanks
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I have the same shaper and had to do the same repair several years ago, I love your channel and you remind me alot of my shop teacher from 40 years ago. Thank you sir.
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Thank you mr pete! I have been stuck with the exact same issue on a little aamco 7" and couldn't sort it out. Really appreciate all you do!
Nice repair Tubalcain, gotta love those little shapers. Used one in my high school shop class..
question tho.....those flanged ears that were bent seemed to me a little skimpy
Well done! Well diagnosed, well corrected!
As always it is a great class about machining.. Thank you Mr.Pete 222.
Abom has a shaper just like yours.... nearly.
Believe it or not I have a little shaper and it's not an atlas and it's not a Southbend I'm going to have to look what it is excellent job mr. Pete
Was the one ear bent as some notes or worn down? Could you have milled new flats at 90 degrees to the old if you could not turn a nice new part? I have not seen anyone show how to grind a cutter compared to one used on the lathe.
You’re metal working skills are over the top, I really enjoy seeing your craftsmanship keep the videos coming :)
Thank you very much
Excellent job Mr. Pete! Nicely paced and showing just enough for most folks to understand what's going on. The more intriguing part of the failure still eludes me though. How is it that just cycling power caused the machine to slip but did not seem to while continuously running? Start up torque?
@Rich Wojehowski
I concur. Was going to suggest that he utilize a 'soft start' capability in the motor.
I don't think mrpete has ever had a soft start.....😉😉😉😉
One of these exact shapers sold for $1200.00 at an auction I was at the other day, blew my mind. Then what really set of off kilter was that I bought a Fadal 4020 machining center in fine condition at the same auction for $1100.00, no joke. My brain was temporary broken on how these things sold. Awesome work you're doing on that one.
Thanks
Always interesting thanks for sharing 👍🇦🇺
Very nice job.
Nice video Mr. Pete, thanks
As Always coffee and Mr.Pete222 the greatest way to start my sunday
Mr Wilson, I agree with you.
Mr Wilson, I agree with you.
When I was an apprentice (Ford Motor Co UK) at their Trade School in Harold Hill in Essex, I am ashamed to say I did something so stupid, that more than 50 years later I still cringe when I think about it. I was in my first year, and found the shaping machine a bit boring, (unintended pun), so as my machine stroked back I took to brushing away the swarf with my bare finger. Well it obviously bit me, but it was in a good mood that day, and only took a chunk out of the pad of my finger letting me off a more serious injury. It was still too bad to ignore, and I forget what I told the nice lady in our medical department, but she dealt with stupid boys on a daily basis.
I had very few injuries in the 37.5 years I worked the machines, but 14 years after taking early retirement and moving to New Zealand, I now belong to a Menz Shed and I'm back on the tools and discovering the joy of working with wood, but sad to say I am having to learn personal safety all over again. :-(
Ouch!!!
I know you're a South Bend fan and I saw this South Bend lathe advertised on Craigslist in Warrensburg Missouri. About 45 minutes east of Kansas City. I know nothing personally about the lathe or the people who own it. Maybe you might know someone who could use it. Here's the link. kansascity.craigslist.org/tls/d/warrensburg-south-bend-9in-jr-lathe/6951076082.html
Looks like a nice machine, thank you
A good example of using a high torgue tool for a low torque application. They give that stock wrench for a reason. Tighter is not always better.
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2:28 Your sarcastic jokes get to me. Lol.
Really enjoy your wry sense of humor, Lyle ! A morning chuckle or two starts the day on the right foot.
Loved it! Great video. Jealous of that shaper ya got there! 👍🏻😏
Had a shaper in high school, don't really miss it.
My Steptoe has the adjustment and lock outside the case, on the operators side. I noticed recently that the lock doesn't seem to do much. There isn't any problem with it holding it's stroke length, but I should probably make sure there isn't any damage happening. Considering the long period of non-use that it had before I got it, I'm thinking that what the knurled collar pushes against to lock the stroke length may be stuck.
Nice, You can make a series about how to fix older machineries. Wich I verry need to fix my Lathe that spend 30 years in a school or in Bubba shed.
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Thanks for working on this machine. I bought this exact machine last week. I have not turned it on yet as I am almost completely disassembling it to get it restored. Unfortunately, the top dovetail oilers were clogged, so that part of the dovetails are pretty gauled up. The part that raises the Z axis is also completely messed up. Will have to see what I see when I manage to get the table off.
I will make sure to take a good look at the part you made in case I need to make one myself.
Edit: The bottoms of the dovetails are also not at all flat, so I am going to be scraping those in too.
I better check my oilers to see that they are open
C'mon Mr Pete ... say it @ 16:22 focus you #@$%
Just got a South Bend shaper. Love It... Thank you for all the great videos...
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That part is good for another 70 years. Cheers.
At a guess somebody over tightened the old part, presumably only needs as much leverage as the South Bend wrench allows to lock it
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Good video. I had a similar issue with my Atlas shaper. The crankpin had a broken weld that took forever to find,it caused issues with getting a good finish. All is well now.
Mr. Pete, it takes an "old" guy to fix an "old" girl's nut, or is it vise versa? It's pudding now🍚.
Thank you for this nice video. When you had problems with camera focusing the part in the square collet a phrase that AvE uses crossed my mind. I know you wouldn't use it but it made me smile!
Thanks for a another well-made video!
I love to see old machines brought back into service. Great video Lyle, thumbs up.
Mr Pete I'm glad your doing videos on that southbend shaper I wasn't aware of that adjustment wrench I'll have to make one for my SB shaper the one I have is newer than yours mine has the oil pump thanks again for your time
Thank you Mr Pete. Any plans to do a "How to run a Shaper" video?? I would buy it.
Lyle,
Thanks for another great video. Now my questions:
1. Why didn't you use your SOUTH BEND lathe to remake the bushing? ;)
2. When center drilling the bushing your drill looked like it jumped to the right about half a mile. Then when you used the two twist drills, they appeared to jump about the far to the left. Why do the drills jump around like that and why doesn't it matter?
I'm looking forward to more educational shaper videos!
Drills are lousy at making centered, perfectly round holes. First because they can't really cut right at the center of the bit, and second because of how and where they remove material. A boring bar is the usual go to for getting both roundness and concentricity, a reamer when dimensions are critical.
I because of how it works, perfect concentricity doesn't matter. Even a few thousandths would be just fine as long as there wasn't any play.
Thanks for the milling tip of rotating the stock instead of moving the bit to center both cuts.
You need to show off that Minneapolis moline. Im a bit of a tractor collector myself and im sure im not the only one who watches this channel!
It is shown in several real old videos
Why not mill the flats 90 degrees to the old flats right on the old piece.
JIM
Or, fill in with a bead of weld and remill the flats.
So nice to see someone have a real love for old machines. Would love to have that real nice Bridgeport milling machine that you were using too. Keep up the great work and peace to you too. Make more videos !!!!!
Nice job on the repair
Projects breed projects!
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thanks for again a great video, is hardening the piece a suggestion?
Leila Nala no because you don’t want it to “skate” along on the piece it is clamping to, it will “bite” better if it is soft.
Great job making a replacement part. I'm sure that would be a $65.00 part if ordered today. Always enjoyed using one.
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In fact I wouldn't make another one for any less than $200
I’ll give you $10 for it? I’ll give you a check and even let you pay the shipping……… 😜....as always great video Mr. P thx
I wonder if folks using tools other than the what came with the shaper to make adjustments could have been over-torquing the set nut and damaged it.
Always good to see solid old equipment brought back up to speed. Well done. Looks like I need to buy a square collet block. Handy piece of kit.
Enjoyed seeing your process and this wonderful old machine!! I would like to know if it is holding and still working also, if there are any other issues for repair/remanufacture. Thank you!!
I would have welded a bead across the low part then machined a new flat on the original part.
or just milled new flats on the existing pc LOL
Please Mr Pete, Your video on your sale for video courses! Please take it down and edit out your address. Get a P.O.Box if you intend to do things like that. I love what you do and not that I can imagine why anyone would, I'd hate to hear of any untoward events happening (weird shit in the mail and the like, and god forbid far worse). People are strange these days is all! please consider taking it down and finding some other way.
Thank you for all that you do, and stay safe!
I don't worry about things like that. I'm 75, if I get murdered, so be it. As long as it's a good clean kill
@@mrpete222 you rock Mr Pete!
That's a nice machine!
I ran shapers in High School!
The one I ran was allot bigger, would be nice to have one like yours!
Great video!
THANK YOU...for sharing. Really enjoyed the repair.
Alright!! I've been anxiously awaiting this video series. Great explanation and fix. The auto advance feed paw on my SB 7" shaper is sticky. Would love to see how you would address something like this!
have you disassembled yours? I've got one I'm in the process of cleaning up, and as I recall it was very straightforward to completely take apart the entire advance mechanism.
I noticed you file right handed with your left arm "straddling" the chuck. I was taught from the beginning to file left handed for obvious safety reasons. I suggest if there are new people that are looking at getting into machining that they learn to file left handed.
You cannot force or right handed can use his left around
I understand... I am right handed but learned to file on a lathe left handed from the beginning (36 years ago). My teacher in trade school insisted! My comment was for those starting out either in the trade or as hobbyists. You can teach an old dog new tricks... but its hard to get an old dog to break old habits. Just ask my wife! :)
Seeing the cheater bar made me wonder if previous use of one might have caused the problem... I wonder why the ears were bent 😉
You could have cheated of course,, and just turned the original part 90 degrees and milled two more flats on it to size ! Nice fix Mr Pete
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@@mrpete222 oh well it was just a guess, but if they were bent then making a new one was your only option without trying to find s new old stock part. And what's the point of having all that machinery, and not making your own bits? lol. greetings from the UK Mr Pete
I had trouble visualizing how that clamping mechanism was supposed to work and how it failed until I saw that it clamped in a slot on the rotating part, not on the oscillating part. Now it's completely clear to me. There's no threaded stroke positioner like on its much bigger cousins. It's also clear why you were not worried about the brass slider. That's not part of the champing problem you're trying to solve at all. That little shaper is just as cute as a little speckled pup. While I wish something like it was in my shop, there's no room so I'll be satisfied with watching yours. Thank you.
Nice repair. Keep your face away from that stroking ram, not going to feel or look too good if it gets you. Thanks for making the video.
Because the locking nut is not a through nut but a dome nut the length of the part you are making is what determines the strength of the locking pressure to the part so by making it the same dimension except for the shoulder puts you only 50% the way it’s a shame the information you have doesn’t give full dimensions for the part to see if the dimensions you are working to are the worn dimensions or the intended dimensions it would be interesting if someone has the actual dimensions from factory
A very good point which I thought about watching the video; ... slightly modifying the dimensions to compensate for the wear or improving the part for better service life.
I was going to make it thicker. But decided to copy of the old dimensions best I could
Those little South Bends are pretty cool. I enjoyed the repair. Thank you.
G’day Mr Pete that’s a lovely old machine and you did a great job of fixing her. It was good that you still had the explosive drawings of the parts thank you regards John
Another triumph Mr Pete. You have given me a great start to my day. I always enjoy an informative video from you. And thanks for muting the sound as nessary.
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Lovely little shaper. I wish I had one. I'm glad you got it working properly.
Great job and I'm sure any older machines will produce similar projects. Thanks again for the great repair, Greg.
I own a little hand powered shaper its worn-out I'd like to rebuild it someday its old thumbs up thanks
Like those lathe tools! Those are TNMG inserts? Is that one of the banggood toolholders?
A most excellent video. Thank you for posting!
Great video Something I always loved to know how to do or understand how it is done