This was fun for me because I worked for LaSalle Steel in the 1960's. Their plant was in Hammond Indiana with offices in Chicago. It was a very interesting place for a young man to work and paid very well for the time. They were a cold finishing mill Thanks you Mr. Pete. You sure do have some cool stuff.
So nice to see a precision line scribed jus once. I had an instructor whose favorite phrase was: “ a millwright and a machinist scribes a line once, a carpenter and a mason twice, and a darn fool anymore. Eric
Mr. Pete, Another jewel. Simple process and simply described. (A necessity for my simpleton mind) As for moving heavy buses and such around you need Harold’s rafter winch. I would do the same but I don’t have rafters or sufficient support for one. Presently my shop consists of two of those vinyl storage buildings sold by Menards a few years ago. When I put the thing together they told me I couldn’t combine two buildings as the middle support beam wouldn’t hold up to the stress of the longer roof. Well, as is they are probably right, however, I joined the two together by inserting a 2 1/4 by 5 inch white oak beam the entire length of both metal roof beams. It’s going on 15 years now and hasn’t even bowed. A big mulberry tree limb weighted by the ice storm of 2006 didn’t faze it. I also filled all of the hollow cavities in the side walls with insulation as I knew I would be spend a lot of time out there. I heat the entire thing with an infrared heater and cool it with a small 5000btu air conditioner. Yep, it’s small and I could use a bit more ceiling height but I make it work for both wood and metal work. Dale
Almost missed this one, but fortunately you mentioned it in What Makes it Work #30. I have the D40 vise on my Clausing 8530 vertical mill. I will definately do this project. Save that unique blueprint!
Thanks. I like the machining videos. Its been a wile. Lots of molds, drills and bandsaw videos . Not saying there bad , just like 2 see the machines running
Hi mrpete- I absolutely love these "How to" videos (Actually all your videos! ) I always learn something from them- I need to make some more of these myself so it was a Great refresher to watch. Thank you for all your hard work and (lots of) time spent to make these videos for all of us WE SURE DO APPRECIATE IT!!! As always Two Thumbs Sir! and have a WONDERFUL 2019 my friend!!!
@@mrpete222 Also in this video, I learned about threaded transfer punches, I got a set in a tool box that I bought at the flea market, and I had no idea what they were. I always seem to learn things from your videos, thanks for everything you do
Yes I liked your micrometer video. I was shocked at how poorly made the Chinese instruments were. I do however, like that microscope. I think I will get one. But The last time I ordered from bang good. They ruined the 3-D Matt that I ordered for my printer. And they sent the wrong item also They sent me a dashboard video camera that I did not order. I looked it up on their website, and it sells for $168.
@@mrpete222 Sometimes they get mixed up with orderd, though, rarely on my part... I'm looking into a different set-up for microscope, they would send me, it's a more expensive unit that I think of using a little differently, but the one microscope shown in the video is real good for general shop use, so far I'm quite happy with it...
I had to make keys such as this when I mounted a Bridgeport vise on a 2hl Kearney and Trecker mill.. The K&T has 11/16 t slots.. I made all of the tee nuts used on the K&T and made them to 1/2 - 13 so that I could use Bridgeport hold down hardware.....
You know why you have those keys because you have everything mr.pete. I like the t-nut so I can go find it down in the groves, they just feel better to me (how I was raised likely). Nice oil can. amen on the this is how we do it. Another great video, look at the perfect indicator float as you dial along you held her well.. Off to measure my Barker Mill key-way slots to see what we have for our 3 inch KURT?
Well I bought a cheap 2 piece vise on eBay for my 704 mill, turns out it was keyed for 5/8” and I need it to be 1/2” - Kurt wants $42 for two keys when I need 4... 4 silly little pieces of metal that add up to what I paid for the vise itself! I have some 5/8” key stock on the the way. This morning I wanted some background noise for when I was getting ready for work and just so happens I selected this video at random. You would think some hardened key stock was solid gold!
I wonder could these alternatively be turned on a lathe to give stepped buttons to locate instead? The alignment is based more on the spread of the keys than the flat edges Nice work Lyle
Hi Mr Pete, another great video. I'm just wondering why with only 1/16" to come off, you centred the keys rather than removing material from just the one edge and saving yourself a set-up? Keep these great videos coming and best wishes from the UK.
Who in the pluperfect hallelujah needs a "blueprint" when we have "our Mr Pete"? Huh? By the time "yuz" could draw one; he's got it built. So who could not love him? Huh? May Jesus continue to bless him with talents and/or gift's that could only come from Heaven; that he so cheerfully shares with any one that has enough sense to listen to him. Huh?
I had a few, which had no slots. On mine, there was enough room, so i milled the slots myself. No idea for the Kurt, you have to look and measure. But if possible, it is a great help.
Do you have to adjust your feeds/speeds when climb milling? Maybe incorrectly, but as a beginner, I was told to avoid climb milling. Might also be because I only have a mini mill, so not a lot of power?
Climb milling requires far greater rigidity than conventional. Without a rigid setup, best case, there's a ton of chatter and the finish is awful. Worst case, the cutter self feeds and spoils the work.
@@mrpete222 thank you both for helping me to understand. With such a small... Less rigid mill, it sounds like if I attempt this, likely better to only try climb milling on the last "spring" pass? Or is this just not worth attempting with such a small mill? Thank you again!
Do all vises have this slot? I know if I loosen the bolts on my vise I can slide it around so they must not be in place. I have never checked the bottom. New to milling.
I do violate the "no remove" rule on the workpiece from the machine to advantage sometimes. For instance, if I want a precise slip fit of a rod through a faced and drilled work in the lathe I'll loosen the jaws, rotate the work 90 degrees and re- bore again, try for size, rotate another 90 if need be until I get the fitment I'm looking for. Now was that clear as mud? ☺
yup ,looking to add a cross slide vice to my wood lathe,to hold a tool holder, so i can make wooden wheels for toys, , so i can create the same function and repeatability insuring diameters are all the same, , hand turning varies too much , + - up to 1/8 from one end of a cylinder to the other, thus each wheel can vary when cut off from the main cylinder , ,,, needed a stepped key to index the base plate to the lathe bed center slot, ,so i do not need to calibrate every time i set on the lathe base, insuring im not cutting a tapered cylinder either , i think this will help me ,,,
@@mrpete222 your mystery tool from some weeks ago , was a forged split piece with a handle and ball grip with a v double edge blade, ,, not sure the name ,but it does have a specific name , but have seen it used in tall ship repair for the deck seams , when they must replace the tared seams it was used to cut the tar seam from the deck plank seams which are a V shape backed with cotton and hemp then tared a top , works in a push and pull motion it required a push pull and down pressure , hope it helps , i could not find it when i researched for it but none the less , had seen it used in a video in the past , but for the life of me i can not find it again , ,,, it was a historical tall ship it was being used on , but the of name the ship eludes me , , they did name the tool in that video , ,,,
Do you know why it is named the "LAST WORD" indicator? Because it is the LAST indicator you reach for, only if everything else is in use or is broken do you use the LAST WORD. Starrett makes some GREAT tools, that is not one of them. I never saw one that worked properly, always sticky and you could never trust them. Other than that LOL great video. Keys for my Kurt is one of those "some day" projects. :D
@@mrpete222 In your example turn bar stock to .562, step down the end to .500 , cut off .350 long. Flip over drill and cb for 8-32, chamfer edge, install. Stand back and admire.
As an absolute begginer, I appreciate you showing how to do basic procedures like this.
Frank
You could not find a better mentor! He has been mine for years!
Thank you very much, I'm glad you like the video
This is the first I saw of keys for vices thank you very much because now I can make mine easier for installing after removing!!!❤
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@mrpete222 well I made mine and I have it within .0005 of being dead on ! Again thanks because now it doesn't take so long to set my vise up !!!
This was fun for me because I worked for LaSalle Steel in the 1960's. Their plant was in Hammond Indiana with offices in Chicago. It was a very interesting place for a young man to work and paid very well for the time. They were a cold finishing mill Thanks you Mr. Pete. You sure do have some cool stuff.
That's neat, you actually work there
Another "edutainment" video. Both educational and entertaining. Tubalcain, you are my favorite.
Thanks
I love an actual blueprint Mr Pete.
lol
So nice to see a precision line scribed jus once. I had an instructor whose favorite phrase was: “ a millwright and a machinist scribes a line once, a carpenter and a mason twice, and a darn fool anymore.
Eric
Very interesting, I'm sorry to admit that sometimes I do multi scribing. To make sure the lien shows up on Metal
Liked the great ides of using precision sized key stock. Thank You Mr. Pete
Nice to see you machining material for a project, It seems to make you happy and I enjoy seeing you happy
Agree. I like videos like this.
You are right, it made me happy
Mr. Pete,
Another jewel. Simple process and simply described. (A necessity for my simpleton mind)
As for moving heavy buses and such around you need Harold’s rafter winch. I would do the same but I don’t have rafters or sufficient support for one. Presently my shop consists of two of those vinyl storage buildings sold by Menards a few years ago. When I put the thing together they told me I couldn’t combine two buildings as the middle support beam wouldn’t hold up to the stress of the longer roof. Well, as is they are probably right, however, I joined the two together by inserting a 2 1/4 by 5 inch white oak beam the entire length of both metal roof beams. It’s going on 15 years now and hasn’t even bowed. A big mulberry tree limb weighted by the ice storm of 2006 didn’t faze it. I also filled all of the hollow cavities in the side walls with insulation as I knew I would be spend a lot of time out there. I heat the entire thing with an infrared heater and cool it with a small 5000btu air conditioner. Yep, it’s small and I could use a bit more ceiling height but I make it work for both wood and metal work.
Dale
You did a great job with a plastic building, LOL
Thank you so much mr peterman for your teachings, god bless you. Thank you for taking your time to explain everything you teach
Hey Lyle! Another nice machining video from the teacher on a Friday! Thank you! 👍
Thanks
I like that little indicator mount. Nice video Mr. Pete, thanks.
GeckoProductions I like the indicator mount too. nice @mrpete222
Thanks
Almost missed this one, but fortunately you mentioned it in What Makes it Work #30. I have the D40 vise on my Clausing 8530 vertical mill. I will definately do this project. Save that unique blueprint!
I think I threw it away already
@@mrpete222 I would have framed it.
Will be making some just got a 6 inch Kurt for my bridgeport !! Now I will have a lonely bridgeport vice .
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Expertly done. Is that a word? Thank you Lyle for sharing.
That's a word all right, but I'm not sure it describes me, LOL.
Great video Mr. Pete! I love the coffee cup!
Thanks
Love the drawing! Great job Lyle. Cheers
Thanks
Good video. Henry liked Mary a lot.
You just made me very happy!!!
Another great video is here....now time to watch !!!
Thanks
Thanks. I like the machining videos. Its been a wile. Lots of molds, drills and bandsaw videos . Not saying there bad , just like 2 see the machines running
thanks for this KEY information. Keep on making chips!
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These videos UNLOCK THE DOORS to a lot of possibilities-!!!
Hi mrpete- I absolutely love these "How to" videos (Actually all your videos! ) I always learn something from them- I need to make some more of these myself so it was a Great refresher to watch. Thank you for all your hard work and (lots of) time spent to make these videos for all of us WE SURE DO APPRECIATE IT!!! As always Two Thumbs Sir! and have a WONDERFUL 2019 my friend!!!
Thank you very much. I'm glad you like the videos. And I appreciate wonderful viewers and supporters like you. I am humbled by your comments
Great results! I would turn those holes into slots too. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
Nicely done Mr. Pete, thank you!
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It sure is handy to be able to throw the vise in and go and it be plenty good for most all work.
Yes it sure is Brian thanks
I need to do the same with my Kurt 3" vice and Clausing mill, great idea to use 9/16 key stock to start with
Thanks
@@mrpete222 Also in this video, I learned about threaded transfer punches, I got a set in a tool box that I bought at the flea market, and I had no idea what they were. I always seem to learn things from your videos, thanks for everything you do
Very good, thanks again Joe
Another great video!! Lookin forward to the next one!!
Thanks
Thanks for the great video. I'll be making a set for my vise.
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Nicely installed, right in without fooling around... ;)
Yes I liked your micrometer video. I was shocked at how poorly made the Chinese instruments were. I do however, like that microscope. I think I will get one. But The last time I ordered from bang good. They ruined the 3-D Matt that I ordered for my printer. And they sent the wrong item also They sent me a dashboard video camera that I did not order. I looked it up on their website, and it sells for $168.
@@mrpete222 Sometimes they get mixed up with orderd, though, rarely on my part...
I'm looking into a different set-up for microscope, they would send me, it's a more expensive unit that I think of using a little differently, but the one microscope shown in the video is real good for general shop use, so far I'm quite happy with it...
nice video Lyle. i will be making some for my vice soon ! thank you joe
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I had to make keys such as this when I mounted a Bridgeport vise on a 2hl Kearney and Trecker mill.. The K&T has 11/16 t slots.. I made all of the tee nuts used on the K&T and made them to 1/2 - 13 so that I could use Bridgeport hold down hardware.....
Nice solution
You know why you have those keys because you have everything mr.pete. I like the t-nut so I can go find it down in the groves, they just feel better to me (how I was raised likely). Nice oil can. amen on the this is how we do it. Another great video, look at the perfect indicator float as you dial along you held her well.. Off to measure my Barker Mill key-way slots to see what we have for our 3 inch KURT?
I'm glad you liked it lance. Yes, check out the 3 incher
8/32 exactly what I was thinking, I guess it doesn't need much to hold it in the groove.
Yes
Great job. Thanks for posting!
Thanks
Well I bought a cheap 2 piece vise on eBay for my 704 mill, turns out it was keyed for 5/8” and I need it to be 1/2” - Kurt wants $42 for two keys when I need 4... 4 silly little pieces of metal that add up to what I paid for the vise itself! I have some 5/8” key stock on the the way. This morning I wanted some background noise for when I was getting ready for work and just so happens I selected this video at random. You would think some hardened key stock was solid gold!
Yes, I know. I priced those Genuine Kurt keys. I was shocked at the price and then made my own
I wonder could these alternatively be turned on a lathe to give stepped buttons to locate instead?
The alignment is based more on the spread of the keys than the flat edges
Nice work Lyle
Yes, I intend to make a video using the stepped buttons
Hi Mr Pete, another great video. I'm just wondering why with only 1/16" to come off, you centred the keys rather than removing material from just the one edge and saving yourself a set-up? Keep these great videos coming and best wishes from the UK.
I love isometric drawings.i wouldn’t have it any other way.
As long as the item is this simple. Otherwise, orthographic projection is required.
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Who in the pluperfect hallelujah needs a "blueprint" when we have "our Mr Pete"? Huh?
By the time "yuz" could draw one; he's got it built.
So who could not love him? Huh?
May Jesus continue to bless him with talents and/or gift's that could only come from Heaven; that he so cheerfully shares with any one that has enough sense to listen to him. Huh?
Huh. That's certainly fulsome praise. A true "blueprint" would have white lines on a blue background.
Thank you for that
my kurt doesnt have bottom slots. always wondered if table slots were reliable. gives me something to ponder.
That kind of surprises me, that it does not have slots
I had a few, which had no slots. On mine, there was enough room, so i milled the slots myself. No idea for the Kurt, you have to look and measure. But if possible, it is a great help.
Another helpful video, thanks.
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Thanks Mr Pete!
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I got a B grade in drafting in wood shop class ..Years later I have forgot how to do most of it
Never too late to relearn it
A late Happy Birthday to Henry.
Of course, you know that every 4 year old has a mission. That mission is to wear out the question mark.
lol
I`ve been dreaming of finding a d40 vise for years ... on ebay they go for 1/4 what I paid for my clausing mill.
Yes
Do you have to adjust your feeds/speeds when climb milling? Maybe incorrectly, but as a beginner, I was told to avoid climb milling. Might also be because I only have a mini mill, so not a lot of power?
Climb milling requires far greater rigidity than conventional. Without a rigid setup, best case, there's a ton of chatter and the finish is awful. Worst case, the cutter self feeds and spoils the work.
Yes, read the below comment. That is correct
@@Jmann147 Climb-milling is especially nasty when you are running a large diameter end mill at slow speed-!!!
...I found that out the hard way!!
@@mrpete222 thank you both for helping me to understand. With such a small... Less rigid mill, it sounds like if I attempt this, likely better to only try climb milling on the last "spring" pass? Or is this just not worth attempting with such a small mill?
Thank you again!
Why do you mic it before deburring the edge?
THANK YOU...for sharing.
Good stuff love the videos
Thanks
Do all vises have this slot? I know if I loosen the bolts on my vise I can slide it around so they must not be in place. I have never checked the bottom. New to milling.
No
I do violate the "no remove" rule on the workpiece from the machine to advantage sometimes. For instance, if I want a precise slip fit of a rod through a faced and drilled work in the lathe I'll loosen the jaws, rotate the work 90 degrees and re- bore again, try for size, rotate another 90 if need be until I get the fitment I'm looking for. Now was that clear as mud? ☺
lol thank you, I like that
Whenever I'm training an employee in my shop I often stop and think, how would Mr Peterson explain this.
Thanks
what is the difference between keys and t-nuts?
very cool
Thanks for sharing sir..
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Lyle, re your EBay sale, 6 inch T Rule item No 3,,, would you post to Melbourne Australia Regards Frank
Sorry, no
yup ,looking to add a cross slide vice to my wood lathe,to hold a tool holder, so i can make wooden wheels for toys, , so i can create the same function and repeatability insuring diameters are all the same, , hand turning varies too much , + - up to 1/8 from one end of a cylinder to the other, thus each wheel can vary when cut off from the main cylinder , ,,, needed a stepped key to index the base plate to the lathe bed center slot, ,so i do not need to calibrate every time i set on the lathe base, insuring im not cutting a tapered cylinder either , i think this will help me ,,,
Yes thanks. That will help you a lot in wood turning
@@mrpete222 your mystery tool from some weeks ago , was a forged split piece with a handle and ball grip with a v double edge blade, ,, not sure the name ,but it does have a specific name , but have seen it used in tall ship repair for the deck seams , when they must replace the tared seams it was used to cut the tar seam from the deck plank seams which are a V shape backed with cotton and hemp then tared a top , works in a push and pull motion it required a push pull and down pressure , hope it helps , i could not find it when i researched for it but none the less , had seen it used in a video in the past , but for the life of me i can not find it again , ,,, it was a historical tall ship it was being used on , but the of name the ship eludes me , , they did name the tool in that video , ,,,
I always put a small punch mark on my keys so i can put them back the same way if i had to remove them.
That is already done you just can't see them
Done and done.
Thanks.
Thanks
Do you know why it is named the "LAST WORD" indicator? Because it is the LAST indicator you reach for, only if everything else is in use or is broken do you use the LAST WORD. Starrett makes some GREAT tools, that is not one of them. I never saw one that worked properly, always sticky and you could never trust them. Other than that LOL great video. Keys for my Kurt is one of those "some day" projects. :D
The name was given by the marketing department. Actually, it is my favorite indicator. I find them highly accurate. I own six
Awesome sir
Thanks
You know I just might have to do that. Heaven forbid you made a drawing. 🤪
lol
And here's me seeing that 8-32 written on the bottom of the vice and thinking "I wonder what's going to be quarter inch?"
Yes
He who dies with the most tools wins!
lol
Could have done a stack-up of cutters and cut this on the horizontal all in one pass.
Yes, but I already did that in a previous video call straddle milling
@@mrpete222 - I know you did. I just wanted to see more of the horizontal.
yeah! Im shocked of the blue print on actually blue paper.
lol
Hello Sir, Can you please do a video as how to remove anodizing from aluminum?
Belt sander. Anodization of aluminum is an irreversible surface treatment.
Yes, read the comment below is correct
i think that is an acceptable length of the thumbnail. no need to cut it yet
Did anybody else notice that Shars is out of stock for most things these days? Wonder if they are suffering from the Tariffs...
I did not know they were out of stock on items. But they did put out a bulletin, where we can expect price increases because of the terrif.
@@mrpete222 I guess we better invest in our own fair weather foundries!
You drew a blueprint 🤭
lol
It's too bad that you can't case harden the keys...
I could, but I'm not in the mood
@@mrpete222 ...oh, well...!
They are easier to make round
I do not understand
@@mrpete222 In your example turn bar stock to .562, step down the end to .500 , cut off .350 long. Flip over drill and cb for 8-32, chamfer edge, install. Stand back and admire.
@@mxfulmer I never thought of this. Although I have seen these in some other application. Do you mind if I use your idea in a video?? Thanks.
WHATS A BLUEPRINT ? REAL MEN DON'T NEED EM.
lol
Misread title as Kurt Angle lock. Thought it was a wrestling video.
"Professional wrestling's only gold medalist"
It was, I was wrestling with a problem!
@@mrpete222 "Wrestling with a problem" is something that we all have to "come to grips with"...
Dale Burrell missed opportunity... "Something we all have to grapple with"!
@@BlackSmokeDMax ...possibly.
Thank you so much mr peterman for your teachings, god bless you. Thank you for taking your time to explain everything you teach
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