@@starbound100If that's the case, why there are so many tournament videos where 1 player wins the game in 1 turn? I'm constantly watching videos with people who play mostly older versions of the game because the new ones are boring to all hell to watch.
@@NicheXCC I don't know why you're watching ftk duels cuz those are the only decks that can end the game turn 1 but either way it's understandable why you find it boring since I'm assuming you don't play the game enough to understand what's happening
I do love a duel with back and forth action. Being able to find the out from your opponent strategy. Where it was harder to predict your opponent's play.
My sole problem is the lack of player interaction. I mean, the sole objective of the first two turns is making your opponent unable to play the game. There's no actual duelling involved.
My friend got me to download Yugioh Master Duel on steam. After I learned the basics i went into a random duel. I placed 2 cards total, then this guy proceeded to take literally 10 minutes spamming card effects and summoning more and more things untill he has enough attack to 1 shot me. (this was the first turn)
Oh boy this is how I felt I haven’t played yugioh completely or competitively in almost ten years I get master duel get some packs learning how some cards work I get to a casual duel and this guy takes 15 minutes for a turn having like 5 powerful synchro and link monsters on the field and I haven’t set a card except the one that the cards he sent to my graveyard had an effect where I could get a monster out its ridiculous. Makes me wanna play magic the gathering arena again cause I’m actually good at it and can beat players half the time instead of this random power creep can’t take a turn bullshit.
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
I would argue its not the Archetypes themselves that are the problem, but the BALANCE of their effects is what's killing the game. Too many cards do a million things with very little to no drawbacks. And what's worse, not every archetype is allowed to have the same amount of power as the newer cards. As a die-hard HERO player, we'll never get a Fusion monster that can floodgate my opponent, nor be able to Fusion-climb during my OPPONENT'S turn like Tearelement.
I recently saw a video that says what's the point of playing an old deck when the new deck does the exact same thing but better the game has gotten out of control it feels like they need to introduce a hard reset and then just redo its rules giving it some sort of power cap
I really liked y1 duel links but even that after not playing for awhile and coming back it already morphed into such a unplayable cancer pile in compared to the fun shenanigans pool it was be4 my break.
As explained in the video, even that ain't gonna save you every time when your opponent's deck is so busted he can just hijack your turn and spend up to fifteen minutes playing *Before* you even get to do anything. *Completely making the whole point of going first completely POINTLESS.*
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
The problem with Modern YGO is that it is too easy to summon multiple boss type monsters with little to no effort. There is essentially no cost or risk when summoning a 3-4k atk monster with effects that negate your opponents existence. I played 3 games on Master Duel and in all 3 games I lost after 30 minutes (3 or less turns total) due to my opponent summoning a full field of +3k atk/def monsters within 2 or less turns. Modern Day YuGiOh Be like: 1. Special summon into effect, effect triggers second special summon, 2. second special summon being triggered by effect triggers third special summon, 3. 3 cards on the field now becomes link summon, 4. because X monster moved to the graveyard (due to link summon) it triggers 5th special summon from the extra deck, 5. because Extra deck card was special summoned by card effect it triggers 6th special summon, 6. and all this would only be half of the fkn turn, meanwhile, a Normal Summon hasnt even been made yet. Fast forward 10 minutes from this point and its either finally your turn, or you've lost. YuGiOh: Hurry the fuck up and end your turn the card game!
I like how the Ishizu Tearlament is basically the antithesis to this video. Half the deck are retrains of anime cards from a character that lost to Kaiba. It doesn't archetype lock itself so it can run pretty much every tech under the sun. You can't anticipate the play because the play depends entirely on your mill luck. It's highly interactive to the point that a commentator couldn't keep up with the game state in an official tournament. Each game took so long that players were having issue with the time limit. It even hard lose to anti-graveyard strategies, which gravekeeper is pretty much the poster boy of. Yes, I'm talking about THE strongest deck in the game's history.
Yu-gi-oh was my childhood. I used to play with my friends, there even was a town tournament. It was fun and kinda balanced. Out of nostalgia I tried playing Yu-gi-oh a couple of days ago. 3 games, 3 OTK on turn 2. No, thank you, I'm fine with my untainted memories...
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
As long we have obese people that got mobbed their whole life and need Yugioh to relieve their god complex it will keep going, Yugioh the only game where you try to force your opponent to not play the game.
Straight up I went to locals today and it was pretty humiliating losing to these fat people or people in general that won't beat my @ss in real life. It sucks that you have to invest in a lot of money on a deck to probably top a locals. On top of that alot of people at my locals anyways are douchebags ( they won't talk to you or let you chill with them if they don't deem you worthy) pretty pathetic.
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
Another thing that sucks that yugioh does is when they release archetypes they don’t release a full balanced deck all at once so you have to use cards that either aren’t apart of the deck or multiple copies (both of which I personally hate especially for an archetype deck) then release newer cards later on after you’ve already built a deck so now you have to redo it the only real archetype I like that seems balanced to me is the Fabled series but even Fabled Leviathan (a card which I do like) I feel is underpowered for a level 10 synchro
Yesh the power creep in yugioh is too high they literally just add broken cards, broken archetypes and new summoning methods. They need to improve the set of monsters they hsve and the support needed
Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't take skills anymore, Only way to win is to Spam effects over and over for like 10 minutes straight in one turn to summon fuck ton of cards to instantly win the game.
Ah yes, the skill aspect of, i drew into my limited to 1 cards before you did. The back and forth interaction of my 1850 attack monster beats your 1800 attack monster. Trap cards were never good with the exception of gravity bind, ultimate offering, mirror force, and magic jammer (any others that were good are still used today: skill drain, rivalry, compulsory, etc). Defense points mattered as much then as they do now, probably less actually, since flipping your opponents stuff face down prevents them from summoning with it in most decks now. You should have said flip effects. Those dont matter anymore really.
@@ChaosSwissroIl and what makes losing your board to a raigeki more interactive than being able to prevent that? The negate chains are literally interaction. You think you can make it to chain link 25 without interaction? In old yugioh, cards like imperial order and jinzo were staples. Cards that just stopped you opponent from doing anything against you at all. Yugioh has always been like this. The goal has always been to stop your opponent from doing anything to win. Nothing changed except you can actually negate your opponents cards through just about any floodgate now. Hand traps, quick plays, imperm, monster effects. Your extra deck acts as a psuedo sideboard. The game is far more interactive now than it was before. Its just faster, thats it.
@@ChaosSwissroIl the reason i mentioned those floodgate is because there was no good way to counter them when they are played. You cant respond to jinzo, if they have lethal on board, you just die. No interaction allowed. How does one go about removing an imperial order in old yugioh? You cant MST it, your traps cant do it. The monsters that could do it either required tribute, or were flip effects, meaning if its not already set up, you got nothing. No interaction. The only reason we had 20 turn games wasnt because old yugioh was good, it was because we were children, and we were bad at the game. There were infinite comboes in yugioh from like the 3rd set onwards. There were otks. With the right set up, you could draw exodia by turn 3. There are ways for you to go back and play that format. You should try it like i did. You will find that the game you remember looks a bit different when people have figured out all its most exploitable parts.
The longest duel I've ever played was with my brother and my cousin, it took a couple of hours. I miss those days as well. When my brother and I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh! we never followed the ban list, I don't even think we knew that there was a ban list, at least I didn't, until I made the mistake of watching TH-cam Yu-Gi-Oh! and all of a sudden there's a ban list I never knew was around. The ban list has ruined Yu-Gi-Oh! for me, you can't play a random game without people complaining "your deck isn't up to the ban list" It's like, shut up you're just afraid of jar cards!
Yep this game and Pokemon used to actually be fun. They encouraged CREATIVITY. Everyone in my neighborhood had a unique deck. Now on master duel every duel is the same 3 decks that negate everything and take 40 minutes a turn. I like to just play with friends but ive been trying to give master duel a chance. Probably gonna just get back on ygo pro though :|
i remember the good old day when me and my friend would go back and forward in turns and would get to 20 turns or more chipping each others LP. Now you can win in the fucking 2nd turn with 10 different special summons. Another thing HAND TRAPS are fucking stupid whats the fucking point of not letting your opponent play. Also Activating traps from hand without setting em. What the fuck ?! Is the rule book just a suggestion now ? The only way they can fix this in my opinion is in one of two ways. 1. Limit the special summons. YOU can do only ONE of each special summon a turn. 1 syncro, 1 link, 1 xyz, 1 fusion, 1 effect summon. THE GAME NEEDS TO SLOW THE FUCK DOWN. 2. Limit deck to only ONE TYPE of special summon. Meaning your deck can only use eather Synchro, Link, Xyz OR Fusion for your extra deck. AND AGAIN LIMIT THE SPECIAL SUMMON to ONE. YOU can Normal summon once a turn you can special summon once a turn. You cant fucking excuse the fact atm "Special" summoning is litrealy the norm and the Normal summon feels more special in a turn.
I just got back into Yugioh after like 12 years and my god is it different and overall feels very bland and boring at times. Every current meta deck is the SAME, special summon as many monsters as you can in one turn, negate with hand traps and lock out your opponent from doing anything. When I play Master Duel, I always have a video/movie playing on my 2nd monitor to kill the time when my opponent takes 10+mins making a move playing with himself. Only for me to surrender after cause I ain't wasting anymore time when I pass turn to him to making another 10min move.
Hand traps are needed because i feel konami realized that they fucked their game, because everyone was either winning turn one or having a board that doesnt let the opponent do anything so they can just attack and win when their turn arrives. But at this point, the game is too messed up, the only way to "salvage" the game is to make some REALLY big changes (which I doubt theyl do because what they seem to prefer is to make new cards that are stronger or that counter the strong cards, wihch in turn makes the game even more RNG). Been playing some Yugioh recently, and its gotten to the point that by just looking at my hand and knowing what deck im fighting I already know if im gonna win or lose lol, the other 35 cards in my deck dont matter beacuse im not gonna get to draw them, the game doesnt long enough for me to think "hmm, I hope i can get X card within the next 3 turns"
The thing about modern yugioh what killed it for me are that the games are too 'fast' to the point where several card types and mechanics are unviable. Here are things that are barely useful in modern yugioh: - flip monsters - defense mode - trap cards: For a trap card to be useful it has to have such powerful effects that if it were a spell card, it would be too much for the format OR it has to have a instant activation condition like activating from hand - tribute summoning - non-Effect monsters with few exceptions - destruction and targeting effects
I miss when I actually put defensive cards in my deck for jams, especially cards that had 2k defense it was so clutch holding off till I drew something useful
Today in MD, I set up a nice Dark Magician board. Didn’t stand a chance, I lost the next turn. At least I had fun summoning Dark Magician! What a cool looking card.
Man that line where you said "you choose death after your first turn," had me cracking up. That is so true because it is indicative of the modern game. You also hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that vintage Yugioh had more tension. That is because you had to be so careful about how you used your resources.
One card combos that turn into full boards, the ability to recovery after board wipes, and easy to summon monsters with powerful negate effects, and the problems I have with modern yugioh as an old school player. It's not rewarding playing this way.
I honestly disliked synchro and XYZ at first when I got back into the game around 2012 from 2006 but I realized it wasn’t so bad cause cards weren’t crazy, simple effects for situations and the risk to get them out was still great for they weren’t devastating quick effects that could maintain their presence on either turn. Also better the effect, lower the attack/defense so often could get ran over, it was balanced. Now it’s just big attack, big immunity, big nonsense and that’s where balance was thrown out the window
I use a "normal" deck. I'm tired of watching my opponent have 5 monsters on turn one and a 5-minute-long turn. I just want to sacrifice gamma and harpy lady to summon my red eyes already. Like my deck is fun, I use red and blue eyes cards. I have harpy lady cards. I have Utopia in my extras. Meta isn't fun.
@@TheRecklessMetalhead Don't worry you just saved yourself a lot of effort, the moment i learned pedulums and how to use them in decks i quit playing yugioh, now i only have the odd casual duel with a friend and we ban links, pendulums and synchros if we feel like it. Makes the game atleast resemble yugioh and not the abomination its become.
I just watched “top tier” gameplay, dude literally took 9 minutes on his first turn just summoning over and over again and by turn two it was like “I win.” And this is all top tier gameplay.. no more than 5 turns.. EVER..a game ending in 3 turns is normal, but everyone is aiming to win on turn 1.
Things needed to stop with XYZ summoning. Pendulum and Link are just too much. It's saturated with too many ways to summon monsters, too many broken monsters with excessive effects, We need some more vanilla monsters you can just summon and attack/defend with without effects we need to analyze and keep track of. Plus if you have an opponent who refuses to let you do anything at all its pretty much as fun as watching paint dry. The Uber amount of Negation is also an important factor too. Why should I waste my time playing a game where my opponent won't let me even hit his life once cause all my moves are negated but nothing I do stops him. No at that point, I am done this isn't even a game at this point anymore.
Bro's complaining about pendulums when they haven't been meta in years 💀 Bro doesn't even realize that there's support cards for normal monsters and that the support cards are pendulum 💀 (no joke search up dragoons of Draconia) Bro doesn't realize most of the current top decks don't use negates 💀
Meh u will never pump out 100 monster in yugioh but I have seen over 100 1/1 tokens in magic it's actually garbo. And has more then it's fair share of problems. Pokémon is boring af one pice shity cards and art. Lorcona lol talk about stale. Na sadly boys and girls yugioh is the only game like it. And honestly restrictions wich is what yugioh has is way better then inconsistently drawing mana. And on another point I love how people b like yugioh is to fast. Lol so why the fuck do people like mana ramp mmmmmm. Exactly cuz who enjoys waiting 2 turns with there thumb up there ass before u start to play and by turn 3 and 4 it's yugioh with extra steps. Except that i can see exactly how much mana u have and ik the colors u have ik the options u have. Wile yes I still have all my tcg decks in all formats cuz different friend groups like playing different games. I like all of them for the most part, but there is truly one yugioh. And I have played and am still playing goat. I assure u if u played goat competitively and u brought your deck from the play ground. Your gonna lose the same if I had a modern deck. And fyi goat has some bulllllllll shit lol but again if u truly played the format u would know edison is the most wide format with the least amount of stupidity wile haveing more variety and more things to do becides t set or ripping the opponents hand away. Again, anyone who plays the formats can't argue with that. And modern yugioh now honestly is fine perfect no but tell me any tcg is I'm gonna call u out and sayyyyyy bullshit. I mean for me I can still play and win with paleos and floo and thoes decks r old and cheap and still win locals easy and have topped in indy before with the birds. That was back when tear was full power. Just my 2cents and tell me I'm coping when what just happened with the whole magic delema I'm not sure if wizards will b around with all there fuck ups they b doing. And Pokémon comon it's better as a vid game or at least was now the tcg is borning and there switch games r boring sad times fs.
The problem is once synchros and tuners came in. Its just mass summon the whole field in one turn. If your not meta your toast. Forget everything you used to know..
I'm only here because I found out about master duel and I went to play it. Man, I was so excited! Edited my starter deck a little bit and started dueling. BRO, WTF?? 1 turn, ppl making a play that would take forever, fusioning a monster on top of the other, and pulling a monster with 3000 ATK, with so many effects... like what the actual fuck? I'm back playing TAG Force on PSP emulator.
Just had a game when I'm new to master duel Second turn I had 3 small creatures out. They had a card which they sent to graveyard that summoned a monster that has a special effect that let it reach 5800 attack, while also setting every creature I had to defense mode. Which my cards can't exactly survive in, and proceeded to summon two extra 3k attack monsters. It's a great experience twiddling your thumbs as your opponent suddenly is 3x your strength and can to some extent control your monster
@@Kureiji-jy3cb im not reading and memorizing like every 2-5 minutes in sequence. they should of done 1-2 effects. avoid the whole wall text and give people a chance to play than wait for an otk
@Kureiji-jy3cb i read the cards and its aggrivating your statement is invalid its as if i dont care to play or read yet want some new stuff from Konami yugioh is garbage its fun to play casually sometimes but always lose 80% players are humpback whales thats why.
@@kevinmorad2563 yeah it fustrating to stop the match and keep on reading the cards like most of the times. wish this card games is a bit more simple casual. support cards like kuriboh or up to 2000 atk- should have like 1-2 effects. ace cards like yugi's dark magician or up to 3000 atk can have 2 effects. boss monsters like yusei's shooting star 3000-4000atk can have 3 effects god cards or divine wicked beast or nordic all gods 4000+ attack up should hold about 4-5 effects. any of these effects can be a down side depending on how good the effects is. just t0 balance it out. spell and traps should hold like 1-3 effects. 1-3 sentences. I wouldnt give it 4 effects, that be like god card realm.
Oh my god…. You are so right. Nowadays when I’m second in my turn i just watch youtube or something else in my phone and wait till my opponent finishes his turn then if his board is overwhelming then I surrender. That’s how the game is now. If I dont draw hand traps I just quit, very simple game and there is no fun at all. If I want to play my fun decks to bring out kool monsters then I just play against the computer.
Here’s my theory. It’s all about money. You see, there was once a time where they try to make the games simple and fun again. You might’ve heard of these guys? The elements heroes? When they first came out they really sucked and only kids play them because of the anime. Unfortunately that wasn’t making them any money. So they started printing super busted cards again and now all of a sudden Whales got back into the game started spending like crazy. The game has gotten to the point where if a card sucks we won’t play it, and that’s not gonna make them any money. So they create these super powerful cards and ban the old ones to force you into buying them. This cycle repeats endlessly, and this is why I quit playing this fucking game.
probably the best decision in your life. this game went to a wrong direction. now its everything about making 20 special summons in your first turn to get a board full of strong monsters and dozens of negates. Good luck handling that if you dont have any 1 or two handtraps like Ash, Maxx C, or Impermanence in your first turn. If you dont follow the meta and put the same cards you are going to get stomped. Many of the old cards arent played anymore because they are so bad in comparison to the new cards. And even if they are played, they stand absoluletly no chance against the meta decks. That alone should be red flag that the power cap is completly out of control. Nobody, for example, plays non effect monsters anymore. Why is normal summoning restricted to 1 per turn while there is no limit for special summoning? this is so stupid. Special summoning now is much more common than normal summoning. It all comes down to a one turn kill. In most cases you dont even survive turn 2 anymore if your opponent summoned a full board of monsters and 10 negates. All konami had to do was to limit special summoning to 1 each turn just as normal summoning is limited to 1. Old yugioh had much more class. it was more like chess. you make a move and your opponent makes a move. Now I have to wait 5 minutes until my opponent is finsihed doing his special summoning shitfest. And in most cases the game goes to round 5 maximum. Limitting special summons to 1 would be the first good step. But knowing konami they will ruin it even more. Just stop playing this joke of a game.
I feel like Duel Links was their best way of "fixing" modern YGO. Being restricted to 3 main monster slots and 1 extra zone will stop a lot of negation spam once the game gets the most recent cards. It just sucks that DL doesn't have the MD gacha system, which is less predatory.
It stops negation spams bc they never allowed omni-negates into the game to begin with. DragonLink is never gonna be at full power bc all their Omni-negates will never get released.
I miss the combos of old ... Me: "I activate my Tribute to the doomed to destroy your Monster by discarding my Summoned Skull. Next, I'll activate my Premature Burial magic card. Now by paying 800 Life points and I bring back my mighty servant. But that's not all ... " Opponent: 0.O! Me: "I activate Megamorph .. giving my monster 2500 more attack for a total of 5,000. Summoned Skull... Lightning Strike!!! / Now I set a card and end my turn"
Yeah, the game is just miserable in higher levels of play. Most of the time it's usually an auto concede if your opponent starts going into his meta chain and you have no hand traps. Like what game do you play where you have to concede instantly on turn 1 from being completely overpowered 50% of the time(perhaps more)? And then another 25% is just decks that kill you in 2 turns rather than 1 turn. You don't even get to play with the deck you've made. There is no back and forth. I miss the suspense of face down defense cards, face down traps or spells that will turn the tide in an instant, turns where you are losing but you flip the table with your winning card,etc.
Absolutely agree. Nowadays, its just quick-effect activated which is negated with another quick-effect toppled by another quick-effect. Its basically a quick-effect meta and decks who own the most quick-effect cards (including graveyard activation quick-effects) is the one who'll rule the duel. Konami should've made quick effects exclusive to quick-play spells and even if monsters do have it, it should only be activated during battle phases so the players could setup, destroy and negate with only their backrows during main phases. To add more salt, most tiered decks out there uses graveyards like a part of their hand and for fucks sake, Konami doesn't even want to give new support cards on Gravekeepers or Fossil deck to prevent this from happening. Also, omni-negates and ftk decks are basically sins and shouldn't even exist.
I know exactly what you mean. I miss the days where you would set 1 or 2 spells/1 monster and end your turn. Now, I see local tourneys on youtube take 5-10 minutes for 1 turn. I feel old.
They should take a note from the OG anime where they needed Ka to summon monsters and apply it to the game. Each player has 8000 Ka and it goes down as you summon monsters depending on their original ATK and DEF and what position you summon them in. If your Ka falls too low you can't summon anymore monsters that turn until your next standby phase where your Ka goes back up.
The problem isn’t all archetypes or card types after gx. The problem is the strategies they use most to stop their opponent from playing. Take two xyz archetyps Kashtira and ghostrick, one just stops you from playing the other turns your cards facedown for one turn to do direct attacks but none of their monsters go above 2000 atl
Was just playing MD and there are cards that can’t be destroyed by battle or effects… WHY??!! There was nothing I could do and he had like 5 cards at least 3000 power like the fuck man… AND his their cards had the ability to steal my cards and/or just send them to my graveyard for no reason!!! I read the cards and there was nothing stating they had those abilities. I really want to play but it’s impossible
There's cards that can return to hand, banish, shuffle into the deck and send to the graveyard all of these are different than being destroyed by card effects
Youre so right man damn! I once had a 67 turn duel in Nexus back in 2021 were my opponent and i had like a weird oldschool ygo and modern ygo deck and it was insanely fun! Ill always remember duels like those the tension!!!
As a old school player coming back from 17 years of hiatus, the only way i can compete was to have bunch of cards in my deck like lava golemn, sphere mode, gameciel, skill drain, gravity bind, messenger of peace...etc to stand a chance.
Create an anti meta deck using carda like that, use messenger of peace with gravity bind and wall of light and some spell jammer and tools of the bandits
Exactly there should never be bad cards in a game just because there old it's bull crap if anything they should be the rare sought after cards that are op not the other way around but if it's all about the money and new cards it's wack tho
The funny thing is, at least as far as the number of turns is concerned, the modern format is probably closer to actual "duels" with swords/guns/whatever. Doesn't make for a great game, but still. Your points stand. I loved Yugioh Vrains, but it was mostly for the story. The duels were just the icing on the cake.
My opponent just spent 5 minutes ""ending their turn"" by stacking a crazy number of effects... For a game that's really fussy about it's wording you'd think the end of their turn would actually be THE END OF THEIR TURN! God damn it Yugioh...
Honestly the biggest problem is people trying to defend the 💩 and refusing to acknowledge any of the problems. Just “learn the game and get good cards lol”
I tried getting back into the game (once again). I grew up with original Yu-Gi-Oh, but I've made myself familiar with modern Yu-Gi-Oh. I don't think anyone can make a realistic argument that Yugioh is a game welcoming to new players. Trying to play Master Duel, I bought the Dragonmaid starter deck. I had a few cards to upgrade it with, and went to ranked (I was in the BRONZE tier). My second match in, it was turn 0 and my opponent had a full field of XYZ and link monsters. I knew I couldn't win, but I decided to still attempt my first turn of the game and my opponent negated my first card. I just surrendered. This experience is not an anomaly. It's an absurd atmosphere for someone trying to just learn their own cards. It's not conducive to player retention and it's extremely unfun. I don't mean to say insta winning doesn't have a place in Yu-Gi-Oh, but it cannot be the entire game or eventually you'll be playing solitaire because you don't have an opponent. I imagine the stereotype that Yugioh players don't read their cards only becomes more of a reality as this issue of power prevails. Players don't even have a chance to learn what their cards are capable of because of not only playtime being consumed by the combo fueled opponents but also from being locked out of your deck constantly. Each card is a novel being chained to another novel and so on. If you're unfamiliar with most of the cards, it's a tall order to not only stop your opponent's flow, but to also attempt to understand the combo on the fly all while you try to retain what your own cards are capable of. A match of 2-3 turns composed almost entirely by your opponents play in disparity to your own isn't going to allow for a learning experience nor a desire to return for more. I want to enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh more, but I feel like that's an impossible task at this point, and I don't think there's an efficient and fun means of entering into the game.
Duel nowadays is more like a execution rather than a duel, you will sit there waiting for 10 to 20 min for your opponent to bring up there monster from the extra deck, The extra deck is really the star of the meta today, I miss the back to back duel.
honestly the core problem began a little past dragon ruler era, each season had its problems, its tier zeros, but you always felt like you could interact with your opponent, you felt if you found a clevor way to dig something out of your deck you could create an out. Each archetype, and each element even had their own themes and gimics. Zombie decks exploited the graveyard dark/light monsters often became chaos decks which involved removing cards from the game to bring out big monsters like black luster soldier Archfiends liked to bring out big monsters each deck had a piece of the game that uniquely them exploited very well. Some decks were experts at manipulating the grave, others were master manipulators over the field with traps, some had great deck searchers with a way to pull things out onto the field easily. Some decks exploited the extra deck with ease BUT THE KEY THING, is no deck was able to exploit all of these mechanics to the fullest. If you were to say there was five core mechanics in yu gi oh, from 2002-2013 the ten glory years of yu gi oh, every deck from those years, was only able to properly exploit 1-3 of those mechanics at a time, but never all five. NOW to be a meta deck you must be able to abuse every single mechanic that exists in the game to the fullest. And ironically that makes modern decks genuinely feel less special. Because if every tier 1 deck does literally everything, than their is zero point in chosing one deck over the other, you simply chose whats the strongest. There is no more "Controll" There is no more "tempo" There is no more "Stun", there is no more "graveyard focused" there is no more "hand control". It's simply "your deck MUST BE ABLE TO DO LTIERALLY EVERYTHING" or it sucks. Sadly we were able to see decks still able to keep some identity during the early link years, but fast forward to today, and dek identity is literally gone.
I returned to yugioh and i realized why i left its a 5 days later turns with 4 negates on every turn i watched a video where someone said you gotta run 20 hand traps to play in this modern yugioh and he was right yugioh is a mess nowadays no soul indeed💯🗑️
I got literally first turn game locked by someone...they went first and summoned they're most op card that made it so I can't destroy it (unaffected by card affects) and it had 5300 attack and he had cards in hand that prevented me from summoning anything or playing anything...I may as well not even been there
Acesscode (based on Information) is only unefected when it does something and hand traps exist you need to know that to play complain about combos then you complain about cards stopping them
Some more ammo for you. *This shit literally got so bad, even the anime team got sick of it.* Yeah, when Vrains came out and introduced Links, the writing team thought it was so brokenly bad, they ultimately decided to just *Get rid of the entire Extra Deck mechanic* for the next series and just go back to basics. Because it was becoming too hard for them to write realistic duels that didn't end with someone getting stomped after a few turns. *You heard me.* The game had spiraled so far out of control, the producers had to do a soft reboot for the next series just to make things believable again. That should tell you something.
Yeah, I heard of that. Soulburner, one of the heroes, was a big example of this. The guy in charge of scripting duels for Vrains went on record to say he had the *Hardest* time putting Soulburner in actual losing scenarios because his deck was just THAT good. And to say nothing of Revolver and his busted as hell Borrel Dragons.
I totally agree. Modern ygo is annoying af. If your opponent goes first, he is able to combo 5 negates onto the field, end his turn and that's it. You lose. If you go first, your opponent negates everything, even your own surrender, with some stupid hand traps. I played Master Duel for over a year now and it's SO fucking frustrating. You don't even get enough free gems to compensate for all the hate you feel. Sorry for bad english, I am from Germany. Have a good day.
Let's be honest, if you vsed something broken af... you don't want a bo3 just to L again 😂😂😂 I get to abt mid plat in MD then things go to shít. Bad thing is, about 80% of my duels to get to that point.... all DC or players run the clock out hoping I quit or lose connection... so its not enjoyable no matter what rank I am 😂 worst part about yugioh IMO, massive learning curve. Ever tried to teach some1 to duel with today's standard??? 😂 not only do u need to perfect your strats, u gatta learn what to negate and how to counter OP AF builds. No1 feels great abt vsing combo build and clueless to what's going on or what the end goal is.... if u havnt played this crap in a few years... I wouldnt advice returning for that fact.
@@SweetLeavesXbox1yeah I was taught how to play by a friend nearly 3 years ago, during a time when we had way more combo non linear decks than today, it's really not that difficult though as long as you can read and have a better attention span than a goldfish, you need to invest time into any hobby
The entire game is toxic. But it's Konami that's the problem, because they made it that way. The modern decks take a literal dump on any older deck, so those older cards. Half of the 10,000+ cards are complete garbage and it's disappointing. In a good game all cards have a purpose. Think of games like Uno. I love Uno.
Honestly I don’t blame Konami. Konami just distributes the game. It’s Studio Dice that’s the real problem. They develop the cards and all that shit. Studio Dice needs to stop making cards that do a million things and have little to no drawback. Hard once per turns is not enough anymore. I propose that Konami introduce a new rule in Master Rule that each player can only negate 1 card of each type (monster, spell and trap) per turn.
@@andrewrowland1989I agree. Something needs to change before it's too late. The new Photon Hypernova cards some look like damn entire paragraphs. Like I need a degree in Yu gi just to understand how these decks work now. The modern game has become a bit too complex. I want to relax and play a game but sometimes I feel like a damn Physicist trying to keep up with the Meta. Then Konami turns around and bans half of the broken deck they just released a few banlists later which is Tear. Pretty typical though I guess from them. Just sucks the old school cards could be recycled into toilet paper and no one would care. 😂
i think synchros and XYZs were fine. when they added shit that changed the field they started fucking up big time. then just constant power creep of course.
I will never understand how people find a 5 minute game where they win by their second turn fun. What made games like Tag Force fun for me was the constant back and forth. Sure a curbstomp here and there is fun but I never went for meta decks because that just sucks the fun out of the game in the long run for me. With that said, no meta deck back in the day came close to a regular competitive modern deck today when it comes to being anti-fun.
Because all of that back and forth in concentrated in 3 turns its so fast and so intense and long at the same time thats why most matches last 40 mins + most time is spent thinking about interactions and there is back and forth on turn 1 because you can interrupt your opponent on turn 1 with handtraps and he has to change his gameplan and find a way to still get to his end board Ppl find this game fun because its a strategic game that encourages critical thinking but you'll only get that if you stuck around and got good at it thats why on a surface level its not as appealing And thats apparent especially in the playerbase ygo has a hard time bringing new players but it is very good and retaining and keeping them .
@@bdkf-ci9hg my first time playing ygo was the release of master duel and prior to that I don't know anything about it beside the anime. I gotta say after looking up old playstyle and tournaments, modern ygo is %100 better and it's not up to debate. There's so many archetypes and options that are viable nowadays compared to the pre Extra deck era who uses pretty much the same cards and the toxic strats are way more frustrating due to the combination of the lack of options to fight them and their actual disgustingly overpowered stat stick and seemingly unfair effects compared to the other cards at that time. Also people be like "hurr durr every turn lasted 10 minutes, literally boring game" when that 10 minutes can be full of back and forth with your opponent during the same turn. Meanwhile old school ygo would just summon 1, set cards and pass for 20 turns straight until you draw a bigger monster or a board breaking trap/spell, now that's what I call BORING.
I'm soon turning 36 years old and grew up with Yu-Gi-Oh! I collected and loved the manga and owned some of the classic starter decks. Back then, I didn't have anyone to play with, so Yu-Gi-Oh! faded away for me. It wasn't until 2017 that I got back into the game and was surprised by the expanded rules... and even more surprised that most of the starter packs sold by Konami were mostly rubbish, and you had to spend a fortune on deck-building. I then built a Dark Magician deck, which never went beyond the casual level. A friend of mine advised me to at least include Synchro monsters so that I could participate and keep up with others... but I thought it was all nonsense. I have to admit, though, I kinda like the Wind Witches
I agree with some ur takes and u have a chill outlook compared to most yugi boomers but I'm afraid things can't go back to "the way it used to be in the good old days" but competitiveness is a necessity in a game like yu gi oh and it can get stale without new content thus u should just stick to goat if u want to play like that
I've been learning YGO, new YGO, and it's really sad the best piece of advice I was given was "Bring a book" So that way then when the turns drag on and I'll have nothing to do I can at least read. Not even joking where I live there is a comic book and game shop, I buy mangas and play games there, I've been able to steadily read 1 - 2 chapters of manga every turn or game I don't go first. new YGO is a fucking joke and if they don't bring in new people soon it will die 100%. I don't care how smug these long term players are, how excited they are feeling that easy win playing a pre planned combo every other try hard uses, using decks that are all 90% the same thanks to staples, you will lose it all, and then the only thing you'll be able to do is complain that the new players just "Didn't get it" and you can do that all you want but we warned you. We all unanimously said this shit needs work, fix it or die, and they picked death. I would just be happy with some kind of special summon limit. Just so I can do something, anything, and maybe make it so people aren't negating or flood gating so much. It's that simple. Sure it won't be the same game, but it might just save it. Or would these people rather let it die than let it change, shame they couldn't have done that before Link came out
Bro said "my deck is fair, I just floodgate ppl out the game if they don't have the spell trap removal to remove Necrovalley, which they probably won't cause there decks are teched for 6-7 negate boards"
It's a field spell clown. It has no self defense and is easily destructible, stop crying that it hardcaps your tryhard deck by removing your cheap ass graveyard effects.
Konami needs to restart. They need to restart with set rotation in mind. I'm not saying start at LOB, I'm saying figure out what yugiohs game design philosophy is these days, and print a set that supports that. Have the cards exit out every three or so years and boom. A balancable game. Konami could even provide prizes for topping events to encourage people swap to this new spin off. Swap the name from yugioh trading Card game, to yugioh competitive card game.
The other issue is that fans have become so bias that you can’t criticize the game without fanboys defending it blindly. Each time they make a point it’s from a bias perspective and they resort to the whole skill issue like that’s an argument. Konami really fosters this toxic part of the fandom since they only care for those with blind devotion to the game. Real fans with criticize something because they love it and want it to get better. These loud fanboys don’t understand that which is why their arguments always fall flat.
@@JohnKill3DGaming Dude every yugioh player knows the game has problems no one disagrees with that. The problem is your video in particular saying that yugioh is going to "die" when you provided horrible arguments to back that up. If u wanna see how bad your arguments are go look at blooby comment from a month ago he describes in detail how shit your arguments are. You're just a dick saying that we blindly defend this game when the reality is we're countering the dumb arguments u made in your video.
Wanted to return to it after around 15 years, I was shocked with what happened and just let it go. I missed so much that now it feels like a completely different game, it made me really sad that I couldn't being out the child in me that LOVED Yugioh
You know, I miss the days when you had to construct your deck out of a bunch of unconnected cards with little-to-no synergy, where you actually had to take their individual strengths and weaknesses into account to make sure they covered each other's weaknesses. Now the game is chalk-full of archetypes that exploit one another to such a degree that it's no longer about strategy but literal exploitation. Remember when cards like Raigeki were banned due to legitimate balance reasons, because they possessed absurdly powerful effects at zero cost to the user and could turn the tide of battle in a flash? Now you can stuff 3 Raigekis in your deck because the game has been so thoroughly power creeped that any semblance of balance has been thrown out the window. What in god's name has happened to this game...
Yugioh died years ago this game has evolved to a point to where it’s untolerable I’m glad I quit I’d rather collect Pokémon cards and I don’t even play that game rest in pain Yu-Gi-Oh
Agree with everything you said. Yu-Gi-Oh is barely on life support. I downloaded YGO Omega and attempted to play some ranked games,, I made a queen's knight slifer deck, a umi kayrui-shin control deck and a Ra OTK deck. I attempted to anticipate the idiotic decks that would be meta but I wasn't ready for what I saw. First off, I waited about 5 to 15 minutes for the dudes to finish their turns. Waiting is not my idea of fun, even more so when my deck isn't a combo deck and I finish my turn in under 2 minutes, then it's either game over for me or I get to wait 15 more minutes, after which I lose. I attempted to play some going 2nd cards like evenly matched and sphere mode, barrier statue and stuff like that, but those decks just have endless resources. Their spell cards summon monsters, destroy any type of card I have and can be used in the GY to summon or pull another card that ,again, just does everything. And they keep recycling and using cards until they have a few negates, a card with 4000 ATK that is invulnerable to target or destruction or something like that. And this is every game.
@@Denter_g yeah, I'm aware, however this limits the amount of options and quite frankly none of the decks or play styles or dynamics seem to match my game preference, so I just stick with casual play between friends for now
Unfortunately this was always going to happen because Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have a resource system like mana that hard limits what you can do in a turn. And it doesn't even have a rotation system to limit the amount of card combos.
I learned that if you love the original game, just buy some 25th anniversary old school cards, and play yourself. I have been doing that with Legendary Decks II. Exodia Deck, Blue Eyes Deck, and Red Eyes Deck.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Competitive yugioh was always like this. Old yugioh meta is arguably more toxic and uninteractive. Ftks and handloops were everywhere and you have no way of interrupting them on the first turn. If you're talking about casual yugioh then it hasn't changed. You can still play the game casually with friends with old school decks, but you can't expect to beat the modern meta with power crept cards. I would say today's meta is way more skill intensive than the past. There's more cards and effects to keep track of, and choosing when to use your interruptions can completely change the duel.
@@JohnKill3DGaming A lot of people make videos about subjects they don't fully grasp. You're no different. Don't bother responding if you don't have any meaningful arguments. All you do in this comment section is insulting people for being "fanboys" or saying that someone is a kid just because they disagree with your opinion. You ask people to give actual arguments yet you don't provide any in your responses.
still someone who defends yu gi oh blindly, apart from the djin locks or other pp or other yata garasu which were quickly settled due to a banlist, the old meta games were diversified and fun and less cancer, today you have maxx c,ash and Infinite Impermanence for the hands traps, the ftk are common currency, the decks are combinations of 2 to 5 archetypes, and to play casual with decks like necroz, raidraptor or antic gears, you have to put at least 8 cards that are not in the deck without counting traps like hand traps. for example salamangreat, you have to play flame buffelo or Infinite Impermanence or play it with another archetype, which destroys the nature of the deck (well it was pretty much the case before, but well I had the inpresion of playing a salamangreat deck and the combinations of archetypes were much less common and it was funny to see sometimes) for casuals have is condemned to play with the same people or unclassified on master duel for example, which is not fun after a while. and I also think that you find it normal that there are more ftk today, and you find it normal that I got ftk without even being able to play a card where I got locked out of all the possibilities of playing monsters, magic or traps so I was doomed. (and its conbos are banned only after 6 months or so or are barely nerfed so...) I think you forgive konami too much for their errors which will be lethal for yu gi oh in the future... and excuse me for the english
@@laskouide_newragingbulls I see your point. Decks now have to play at least 8 cards that are outside of the archetype because of generic hand traps and boss monsters. Cards like baronne and accesscode were definitely a mistake. I think hand traps are good for the game though, they stop players going first from making unstoppable boards or doing ftks. I feel like a lot of people are ignoring the flaws of old yugioh, because decks were definitely not diverse back then. Chaos emperor and other staples like mirror force and raigeki were literally ran in every deck. A lot of duels back then were completely based on luck because the optimal play each turn was extremely easy to see, yet yugiboomers seems to think that new yugioh requires no skill when in reality it's the most skill dependent the game has ever been. People say archetypes ruined yugioh yet in reality it's what made deck building actually diverse. Back then every deck were just good stuff decks consisting of the most powerful staples of the format. Nowadays there's actually some variance, you can combine archetypes together and create a lot of interesting combos with the large amount of cards. Of course it's annoying when people on ladder plays the same decks over and over again but that's how every competitive game works, people play what's best to get easy wins. I'm not saying new yugioh is perfect but I just disagree when people say yugioh is "ruined" when it's literally like this before. I feel like people are confusing old yugioh with playground yugioh, because the amount of tier 0 formats in competitive old yugioh were ridiculous. If you want to play playground yugioh today, it's absolutely possible. The problem is that the majority of people are comparing playground yugioh to competitive yugioh, and they expect to win against competitive decks with whatever deck they make.
@@JohnKill3DGaming I normally don't care when people shit on modern yugioh, but it's a problem when you're making a video on this and misleading literally thousands of people and turning off new players from playing the game.
It went from “I have a 2500 beater >:)” To “I have 15 negates you can’t summon your turn you can’t activate spells and you have no cards in your hand thanks to my effects” Or also (1st turn) “I use the effect of my I now assemble all five pieces of exodia”
As a semi maybe half competative Yu Gi Oh player, I can confirm. And I didn't really wanna become a competative Yu Gi Oh Player initially but that's what I had to become in order to stand a chance and frankly I think the game is better if you're casual or just Semi competative. Some combo's to get out big monsters with only ONE negate for an entire turn... maybe 2 negates for a turn feels fine. But if you pull a combo that straight up prevents your opponent from playing where there is no back and forth then I think the person who did said combo needs to rethink their lives.
@@madhattermaker622 Agreed. Too bad so many people are used to the whole "30 combo, your whole field is locked, hand destroyed, and I have 25 monsters on my side of the field with 80,000 attack each, and they all have the effect of allowing me to attack on the first turn of the duel. I attack for game." and *somehow* they actually like it. Listen, I get it in some ways, like back in the day when you drew that one card that let you pull off an epic combo and make on helluva comeback, it felt good. But now, it's just "Either have a 923 combo deck that auto-plays from turn one and is an insta-win and cancels everything or enjoy losing." like, it just sucked all the fun out of the game. Since that's where the fun was. In the strategy. Like "Oh hey, your strongest monster just got destroyed. What are ya gonna do?" and you strategize and plan your way out of it. Or if your opponent was in the same boat, it's fun to see how the plan their way around and out of that situation.
@@Tonyvld Yeah, there's some weird sense of eurphoria when you start pulling off cool combo's and slamming down a powerful monster like a Yu Gi Oh Card ninja. I used to play Stardust decks back in the day and in order to stand a chance against competative players I too had to be a negator sadly but I can't deny that it was fun to just pull a cool combo. Now though I've realised that this just isn't the way I wanna play but I also don't wanna abandon all the combo stuff because I did enjoy it so I've sort of decided to stick to Cyber Dragons. Now I've got 3 combo's I can do depending on my starting hand as well as a few inbetweens all of which are not game breaking. Combo 1: If I have overload fusion and the other cards can get out Cyberdark end dragon which is the strongest boss fusion monster I have. Combo 2: If I have machine duplication I can get out Infinity as well as some others depending on what I have. Combo 3: if I draw Clockwork night I can play it and use my opponent's monsters as materials for Chimeratech Fortress dragon which isn't an activated effect so they can't negate it but Fortress dragon isn't immune to effects so I say it's fairly balanced. Sometimes if the stars allign and my hand is too good I can get out Cyberdark End dragon, Cyber Dragon infinity and Cyber Dragon nova on turn 1. If I try really hard to keep them all alive then turn 2 I can rank up my nova into my 2nd infinity but this is rare and rightfully so since we're talking 2 negators that can turn your attack position monsters into it's material. Franky I enjoy playing this way as it's not competatively viable but it really feels fun to work with what you got.
@@madhattermaker622 I get that man. It's always an awesome feeling to get off a combo that saved your ass from a fire and turns the duel around. It really is. But the modern yugioh has gotten out of hand. Now it's literally "If you don't have one or more handtraps and Ash blossoms in your hand on turn 1, I win" which isn't how it should be.
@@Tonyvld My solution is... negates should have a price. maybe pay 1000 to 2000 life points to do which will really make your opponent consider IF the negate is truly worth it. May not be a good one but it's a start!
I dont even play card games but i noticed they always wind up being who can randomly get their finishing combo or god card first. You arent actually playing someone else they just happen to be there while you slot machine
I already commented a while ago, but megacapitalg saw your video and you popped back into my mind again. Just checking that people are still angry about their playground yugioh decks from nearly a quarter century ago aren't playable. I recommend to you lot a series called "History of Yugioh" by a yugituber called cimooooooooo, it was a total nostalgia blast for me, and might be educational in telling why you guys are wrong about old school COMPETITIVE yugioh.
Could be an issue with instant gratification. Kids play Fortnite and the like and everything is so fast paced. Look at shows for kids now vs back in the 90’s everything is so much faster these days. Attention spans are diminishing and things need to be quicker to hold engagement.
a good example are the card artworks. the original card artworks had super interesting unique desings like summoned skull. now every monster card looks like a typical anime waifu despite that duel monsters is said to be originated in egypt. Konami wants to appeal more to masses instead of sticking to its roots. konami has the ability to ruin all of their franchises. Look at metal gear how they treated kojima.
7 months late but I grew up with the original series & the old school cards. My brother taught me when I was 6. I returned to the game through Master Duel, and oh god, it’s ridiculous. People have no attention spans, they can’t handle an OG duel that takes time & skill. I’m not even trying to talk crap but WOW you can take 10 minutes during your OPPONENTS turn and summon tons of cards. You can negate every effect. You can just not allow your opponents to do anything. It’s changed so much. The power creep is stupid. You just can’t use old cards anymore.
@@Joeythroatgod How does it feel to be such a loser, defending this slowly dying, shitty card game. There's a reason most people prefer Magic the Gathering despite its own major flaws. The old card game was like a well planned game of chess, where you had to constantly react to yours and your opponents plays. Now its just not allowing someone to play at all or FTK/OTK them. There were barely any "Meta" decks that would consistently be able to pull this off, and were therefore unused for the most part, or dealt with by severely limiting or banning key cards in that strategy very quickly. Nowadays, if your deck isn't built to FTK/OTK people, you've built your deck incorrectly. Tell me how that's fun for anyone.
@@Joeythroatgod i expect to be able to play the game, not get locked out of making any moves if I don’t use very specific cards. It used to be competitive & fun, now it’s just silly. You either use the stupid meta decks or you don’t get to play. That’s a problem.
@@JustLikeTheSimulations excuse me but it's still highly competitive and extremely fun if u play the game how it is meant to be played and besides of course u can't use old cards in a 20+ year old card game u can't expect it to be the same as when u were normal summoning blue eyes with no tribute and besides if u wanna do that go play Goat format dingus
The thing is I don’t even really think it’s the archetypes. The archetypes are all just engines to get to the same usually identical, generic, optimal end board almost every deck is trying to get to OR an engine to break that end board with. The decks that do those things best are at or near the top of the meta. Konami loves these generic end boards for a reason, even if you want to play a cheaper rogue deck you have to buy into those generics to keep up with the meta and since any deck can make most of them to varying degrees of success you have no reason not to unless you’re fortunate enough to have something better or similar In Archetype, which most decks just don’t. It’s largely just general power creep. They’re making broken engines and broken bosses to push new product and since Yu-Gi-Oh lacks set rotation and really doesn’t officially support alternate formats, all they know how to do is go up, up, up. Their new solution seems to be stronger turn 2 cards and that’s fine and dandy until the top of the meta is back to people playing on their opponents turns again.
It’s incredibly astounding where the game has gone in 2023. Master duel you literally have to negate everything just to have a chance. You have monsters that literally have you unable to play the game and it’s sad
The problem with YGO is Konami never balanced the game and still hasn't, yet they continuously power creep and have let it grown out of control. The only thing keeping YGO is the cost-sunk fallacy of older players and churning through new players buying into the meta before they drop out. This applies to all card games but it's more prominent in YGO because again, the game is broken. It wasn't balanced when they made it and Konami never fixed it.
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The game went from trying to outplay your opponent to preventing your opponent from playing. It's toxic.
Objectively untrue. Do not confuse playground yugioh for actual competitive. Yata lock and goat control were a thing.
@@starbound100If that's the case, why there are so many tournament videos where 1 player wins the game in 1 turn? I'm constantly watching videos with people who play mostly older versions of the game because the new ones are boring to all hell to watch.
@@NicheXCCturn count doesn't matter, what happens in that turn does
55 turns of mystic mine pass isn't interesting despite being longer
Agreed brother!
@@NicheXCC I don't know why you're watching ftk duels cuz those are the only decks that can end the game turn 1 but either way it's understandable why you find it boring since I'm assuming you don't play the game enough to understand what's happening
I do love a duel with back and forth action. Being able to find the out from your opponent strategy. Where it was harder to predict your opponent's play.
My sole problem is the lack of player interaction. I mean, the sole objective of the first two turns is making your opponent unable to play the game. There's no actual duelling involved.
My friend got me to download Yugioh Master Duel on steam. After I learned the basics i went into a random duel. I placed 2 cards total, then this guy proceeded to take literally 10 minutes spamming card effects and summoning more and more things untill he has enough attack to 1 shot me. (this was the first turn)
Oh boy this is how I felt I haven’t played yugioh completely or competitively in almost ten years I get master duel get some packs learning how some cards work I get to a casual duel and this guy takes 15 minutes for a turn having like 5 powerful synchro and link monsters on the field and I haven’t set a card except the one that the cards he sent to my graveyard had an effect where I could get a monster out its ridiculous.
Makes me wanna play magic the gathering arena again cause I’m actually good at it and can beat players half the time instead of this random power creep can’t take a turn bullshit.
this was my exact experience playing yugioh on master duels recently too. game is total trash now
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
@@Chazz0010 yes, most people would agree that the game doesn't just suck now, it has always been a terrible game
Because they keep digging their grave with power creep for quick bucks, instead of fixing the game for true success.
I would argue its not the Archetypes themselves that are the problem, but the BALANCE of their effects is what's killing the game. Too many cards do a million things with very little to no drawbacks. And what's worse, not every archetype is allowed to have the same amount of power as the newer cards. As a die-hard HERO player, we'll never get a Fusion monster that can floodgate my opponent, nor be able to Fusion-climb during my OPPONENT'S turn like Tearelement.
I recently saw a video that says what's the point of playing an old deck when the new deck does the exact same thing but better the game has gotten out of control it feels like they need to introduce a hard reset and then just redo its rules giving it some sort of power cap
Pot of desire draw 2 banish 10 from top deck, not still consider a draw back to u??
You will never get a fusion floodgate for HERO because THE DECK ALREADY HAS ONE IN DARK LAW
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 and my opponent has a million ways to deal with it. Dark Law is not as powerful as he used to be.
@@andrewrowland1989 Honestly, Dark Law was a mistake because now Konami can't even try to make good HEROes because of it
The power creep is crazy. I play a lot of duel links and this is brought up constantly by new and returning players.
I really liked y1 duel links but even that after not playing for awhile and coming back it already morphed into such a unplayable cancer pile in compared to the fun shenanigans pool it was be4 my break.
Balance doesnt equal fun
@LiveToRek it does though. That's how games function is balance.
@@captianbacon then how was old school Yu-Gi-Oh less balanced but more fun?
@@livetorek4723 it wasn't broken. So it was more balanced
yugioh nowadays most of its winning condition is based on whoever goes first wins...
As explained in the video, even that ain't gonna save you every time when your opponent's deck is so busted he can just hijack your turn and spend up to fifteen minutes playing *Before* you even get to do anything. *Completely making the whole point of going first completely POINTLESS.*
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
The problem with Modern YGO is that it is too easy to summon multiple boss type monsters with little to no effort. There is essentially no cost or risk when summoning a 3-4k atk monster with effects that negate your opponents existence. I played 3 games on Master Duel and in all 3 games I lost after 30 minutes (3 or less turns total) due to my opponent summoning a full field of +3k atk/def monsters within 2 or less turns.
Modern Day YuGiOh Be like:
1. Special summon into effect, effect triggers second special summon,
2. second special summon being triggered by effect triggers third special summon,
3. 3 cards on the field now becomes link summon,
4. because X monster moved to the graveyard (due to link summon) it triggers 5th special summon from the extra deck,
5. because Extra deck card was special summoned by card effect it triggers 6th special summon,
6. and all this would only be half of the fkn turn, meanwhile, a Normal Summon hasnt even been made yet.
Fast forward 10 minutes from this point and its either finally your turn, or you've lost.
YuGiOh: Hurry the fuck up and end your turn the card game!
once per turn too
Cry about it because all that means is ur shit at the game
I like how the Ishizu Tearlament is basically the antithesis to this video. Half the deck are retrains of anime cards from a character that lost to Kaiba. It doesn't archetype lock itself so it can run pretty much every tech under the sun. You can't anticipate the play because the play depends entirely on your mill luck. It's highly interactive to the point that a commentator couldn't keep up with the game state in an official tournament. Each game took so long that players were having issue with the time limit. It even hard lose to anti-graveyard strategies, which gravekeeper is pretty much the poster boy of.
Yes, I'm talking about THE strongest deck in the game's history.
Yu-gi-oh was my childhood. I used to play with my friends, there even was a town tournament. It was fun and kinda balanced.
Out of nostalgia I tried playing Yu-gi-oh a couple of days ago. 3 games, 3 OTK on turn 2. No, thank you, I'm fine with my untainted memories...
Understandable
Hot Take, I like duels that are a constant back and forth. Not a "Set up an entire board and prevent the opponent from playing the game" type of duel.
Duels end in 2-3 turns nowadays, i wonder what kind of nonsense comes next lol
If it ends on turn 3, it's too slow.
It's going to become a game where you customize your coin and whoever wins the flip wins the "duel".
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
As long we have obese people that got mobbed their whole life and need Yugioh to relieve their god complex it will keep going, Yugioh the only game where you try to force your opponent to not play the game.
I hate this card game so god damn much
Straight up I went to locals today and it was pretty humiliating losing to these fat people or people in general that won't beat my @ss in real life. It sucks that you have to invest in a lot of money on a deck to probably top a locals. On top of that alot of people at my locals anyways are douchebags ( they won't talk to you or let you chill with them if they don't deem you worthy) pretty pathetic.
Obese people are the worst. Imagine being fat. Imagine having bitch tits. Sad
@@eduardowhiteknight6110 Imagine losing to fat, lmao.
I have some cards but only as reference (i'm an illustrator) bit playong this game is boring now
I agree, it's only getting worse
Agreed
I playground duelist salty tears, people complaining about the modern meta decks that otk/lock you out But didnt realize back in the GOAT format there are decks like magical scientist FTK woudsnt even let you play on the first turn 😂
Another thing that sucks that yugioh does is when they release archetypes they don’t release a full balanced deck all at once so you have to use cards that either aren’t apart of the deck or multiple copies (both of which I personally hate especially for an archetype deck) then release newer cards later on after you’ve already built a deck so now you have to redo it the only real archetype I like that seems balanced to me is the Fabled series but even Fabled Leviathan (a card which I do like) I feel is underpowered for a level 10 synchro
Konami seems to only care about the toxic part of the fan base and not the actual players who care
Yesh the power creep in yugioh is too high they literally just add broken cards, broken archetypes and new summoning methods. They need to improve the set of monsters they hsve and the support needed
I really want to love Yugioh,
But...
All I end up doing is watch people play solitaire before I get bored and surrender.
Things that used to matter in yugioh :
- defense points
- trap cards
- back and forth interaction
- skill
- fun
Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't take skills anymore, Only way to win is to Spam effects over and over for like 10 minutes straight in one turn to summon fuck ton of cards to instantly win the game.
Amen
Ah yes, the skill aspect of, i drew into my limited to 1 cards before you did. The back and forth interaction of my 1850 attack monster beats your 1800 attack monster. Trap cards were never good with the exception of gravity bind, ultimate offering, mirror force, and magic jammer (any others that were good are still used today: skill drain, rivalry, compulsory, etc). Defense points mattered as much then as they do now, probably less actually, since flipping your opponents stuff face down prevents them from summoning with it in most decks now. You should have said flip effects. Those dont matter anymore really.
@@ChaosSwissroIl and what makes losing your board to a raigeki more interactive than being able to prevent that? The negate chains are literally interaction. You think you can make it to chain link 25 without interaction? In old yugioh, cards like imperial order and jinzo were staples. Cards that just stopped you opponent from doing anything against you at all. Yugioh has always been like this. The goal has always been to stop your opponent from doing anything to win. Nothing changed except you can actually negate your opponents cards through just about any floodgate now. Hand traps, quick plays, imperm, monster effects. Your extra deck acts as a psuedo sideboard. The game is far more interactive now than it was before. Its just faster, thats it.
@@ChaosSwissroIl the reason i mentioned those floodgate is because there was no good way to counter them when they are played. You cant respond to jinzo, if they have lethal on board, you just die. No interaction allowed. How does one go about removing an imperial order in old yugioh? You cant MST it, your traps cant do it. The monsters that could do it either required tribute, or were flip effects, meaning if its not already set up, you got nothing. No interaction. The only reason we had 20 turn games wasnt because old yugioh was good, it was because we were children, and we were bad at the game. There were infinite comboes in yugioh from like the 3rd set onwards. There were otks. With the right set up, you could draw exodia by turn 3. There are ways for you to go back and play that format. You should try it like i did. You will find that the game you remember looks a bit different when people have figured out all its most exploitable parts.
The longest duel I've ever played was with my brother and my cousin, it took a couple of hours. I miss those days as well. When my brother and I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh! we never followed the ban list, I don't even think we knew that there was a ban list, at least I didn't, until I made the mistake of watching TH-cam Yu-Gi-Oh! and all of a sudden there's a ban list I never knew was around. The ban list has ruined Yu-Gi-Oh! for me, you can't play a random game without people complaining "your deck isn't up to the ban list" It's like, shut up you're just afraid of jar cards!
Yep this game and Pokemon used to actually be fun. They encouraged CREATIVITY. Everyone in my neighborhood had a unique deck. Now on master duel every duel is the same 3 decks that negate everything and take 40 minutes a turn. I like to just play with friends but ive been trying to give master duel a chance. Probably gonna just get back on ygo pro though :|
I replayed both pokemon and yugioh recently. yugioh is totally ruined now it seemed, but pokemon felt just like how it did when I was a kid honestly.
i remember the good old day when me and my friend would go back and forward in turns and would get to 20 turns or more chipping each others LP. Now you can win in the fucking 2nd turn with 10 different special summons. Another thing HAND TRAPS are fucking stupid whats the fucking point of not letting your opponent play. Also Activating traps from hand without setting em. What the fuck ?! Is the rule book just a suggestion now ?
The only way they can fix this in my opinion is in one of two ways.
1. Limit the special summons. YOU can do only ONE of each special summon a turn. 1 syncro, 1 link, 1 xyz, 1 fusion, 1 effect summon. THE GAME NEEDS TO SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
2. Limit deck to only ONE TYPE of special summon. Meaning your deck can only use eather Synchro, Link, Xyz OR Fusion for your extra deck. AND AGAIN LIMIT THE SPECIAL SUMMON to ONE. YOU can Normal summon once a turn you can special summon once a turn.
You cant fucking excuse the fact atm "Special" summoning is litrealy the norm and the Normal summon feels more special in a turn.
I just got back into Yugioh after like 12 years and my god is it different and overall feels very bland and boring at times. Every current meta deck is the SAME, special summon as many monsters as you can in one turn, negate with hand traps and lock out your opponent from doing anything. When I play Master Duel, I always have a video/movie playing on my 2nd monitor to kill the time when my opponent takes 10+mins making a move playing with himself. Only for me to surrender after cause I ain't wasting anymore time when I pass turn to him to making another 10min move.
Hand traps are needed because i feel konami realized that they fucked their game, because everyone was either winning turn one or having a board that doesnt let the opponent do anything so they can just attack and win when their turn arrives. But at this point, the game is too messed up, the only way to "salvage" the game is to make some REALLY big changes (which I doubt theyl do because what they seem to prefer is to make new cards that are stronger or that counter the strong cards, wihch in turn makes the game even more RNG). Been playing some Yugioh recently, and its gotten to the point that by just looking at my hand and knowing what deck im fighting I already know if im gonna win or lose lol, the other 35 cards in my deck dont matter beacuse im not gonna get to draw them, the game doesnt long enough for me to think "hmm, I hope i can get X card within the next 3 turns"
The thing about modern yugioh what killed it for me are that the games are too 'fast' to the point where several card types and mechanics are unviable. Here are things that are barely useful in modern yugioh:
- flip monsters
- defense mode
- trap cards: For a trap card to be useful it has to have such powerful effects that if it were a spell card, it would be too much for the format OR it has to have a instant activation condition like activating from hand
- tribute summoning
- non-Effect monsters with few exceptions
- destruction and targeting effects
I miss when I actually put defensive cards in my deck for jams, especially cards that had 2k defense it was so clutch holding off till I drew something useful
Today in MD, I set up a nice Dark Magician board. Didn’t stand a chance, I lost the next turn. At least I had fun summoning Dark Magician! What a cool looking card.
Man that line where you said "you choose death after your first turn," had me cracking up. That is so true because it is indicative of the modern game. You also hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that vintage Yugioh had more tension. That is because you had to be so careful about how you used your resources.
One card combos that turn into full boards, the ability to recovery after board wipes, and easy to summon monsters with powerful negate effects, and the problems I have with modern yugioh as an old school player. It's not rewarding playing this way.
Modern yugioh players who somehow like it, are basically arguing that the game isn't dog shit if you happen to like dog shit 😅
I honestly disliked synchro and XYZ at first when I got back into the game around 2012 from 2006 but I realized it wasn’t so bad cause cards weren’t crazy, simple effects for situations and the risk to get them out was still great for they weren’t devastating quick effects that could maintain their presence on either turn. Also better the effect, lower the attack/defense so often could get ran over, it was balanced. Now it’s just big attack, big immunity, big nonsense and that’s where balance was thrown out the window
The game has changed so much, it’s almost not even worth playing anymore. Konami really shot themselves in the foot.
I use a "normal" deck. I'm tired of watching my opponent have 5 monsters on turn one and a 5-minute-long turn. I just want to sacrifice gamma and harpy lady to summon my red eyes already. Like my deck is fun, I use red and blue eyes cards. I have harpy lady cards. I have Utopia in my extras. Meta isn't fun.
I feel your pain. We just want to have fun. The meta just prevent us to play our favorite carda
I love you
you forgot to mention that cards back then had 1-sentence long effect texts. While the cards nowadays have 5 pages of text on their cards.
Link and Pendulum killed it for me.
I still don't freaking understand how Pendulum works.
@@TheRecklessMetalhead Don't worry you just saved yourself a lot of effort, the moment i learned pedulums and how to use them in decks i quit playing yugioh, now i only have the odd casual duel with a friend and we ban links, pendulums and synchros if we feel like it. Makes the game atleast resemble yugioh and not the abomination its become.
😢 sad
I just watched “top tier” gameplay, dude literally took 9 minutes on his first turn just summoning over and over again and by turn two it was like “I win.”
And this is all top tier gameplay.. no more than 5 turns.. EVER..a game ending in 3 turns is normal, but everyone is aiming to win on turn 1.
play yugioh do your chores or work comeback then close the game because your opponent still doing his turn
Things needed to stop with XYZ summoning. Pendulum and Link are just too much. It's saturated with too many ways to summon monsters, too many broken monsters with excessive effects,
We need some more vanilla monsters you can just summon and attack/defend with without effects we need to analyze and keep track of.
Plus if you have an opponent who refuses to let you do anything at all its pretty much as fun as watching paint dry.
The Uber amount of Negation is also an important factor too.
Why should I waste my time playing a game where my opponent won't let me even hit his life once cause all my moves are negated but nothing I do stops him.
No at that point, I am done this isn't even a game at this point anymore.
agreed and only reason i have negates in the First place is becouse all these Archetype decks trying to prevent me from playing or having fun.
Bro's complaining about pendulums when they haven't been meta in years 💀
Bro doesn't even realize that there's support cards for normal monsters and that the support cards are pendulum 💀 (no joke search up dragoons of Draconia)
Bro doesn't realize most of the current top decks don't use negates 💀
That’s why I got into Magic. It’s such a better game. I don’t know why you can special summon 100 monsters in one turn anyways
Meh u will never pump out 100 monster in yugioh but I have seen over 100 1/1 tokens in magic it's actually garbo. And has more then it's fair share of problems. Pokémon is boring af one pice shity cards and art. Lorcona lol talk about stale. Na sadly boys and girls yugioh is the only game like it. And honestly restrictions wich is what yugioh has is way better then inconsistently drawing mana. And on another point I love how people b like yugioh is to fast. Lol so why the fuck do people like mana ramp mmmmmm. Exactly cuz who enjoys waiting 2 turns with there thumb up there ass before u start to play and by turn 3 and 4 it's yugioh with extra steps. Except that i can see exactly how much mana u have and ik the colors u have ik the options u have. Wile yes I still have all my tcg decks in all formats cuz different friend groups like playing different games. I like all of them for the most part, but there is truly one yugioh. And I have played and am still playing goat. I assure u if u played goat competitively and u brought your deck from the play ground. Your gonna lose the same if I had a modern deck. And fyi goat has some bulllllllll shit lol but again if u truly played the format u would know edison is the most wide format with the least amount of stupidity wile haveing more variety and more things to do becides t set or ripping the opponents hand away. Again, anyone who plays the formats can't argue with that. And modern yugioh now honestly is fine perfect no but tell me any tcg is I'm gonna call u out and sayyyyyy bullshit. I mean for me I can still play and win with paleos and floo and thoes decks r old and cheap and still win locals easy and have topped in indy before with the birds. That was back when tear was full power. Just my 2cents and tell me I'm coping when what just happened with the whole magic delema I'm not sure if wizards will b around with all there fuck ups they b doing. And Pokémon comon it's better as a vid game or at least was now the tcg is borning and there switch games r boring sad times fs.
@@toadallyawesome5632 Modern yugioh sucks for one reason alone: The card effects read like your comment 😂
@@derkevevin and magic is like yours stale not very creative get a life pimp
The problem is once synchros and tuners came in. Its just mass summon the whole field in one turn. If your not meta your toast. Forget everything you used to know..
Thats not the problem. Summoning or even playing without being interrupted or locked out of the game is a blessing
make special summonings be limitted to 1 just like normal summoning is limitted to 1.
I'm only here because I found out about master duel and I went to play it. Man, I was so excited! Edited my starter deck a little bit and started dueling. BRO, WTF??
1 turn, ppl making a play that would take forever, fusioning a monster on top of the other, and pulling a monster with 3000 ATK, with so many effects... like what the actual fuck? I'm back playing TAG Force on PSP emulator.
Just had a game when I'm new to master duel
Second turn I had 3 small creatures out.
They had a card which they sent to graveyard that summoned a monster that has a special effect that let it reach 5800 attack, while also setting every creature I had to defense mode. Which my cards can't exactly survive in, and proceeded to summon two extra 3k attack monsters.
It's a great experience twiddling your thumbs as your opponent suddenly is 3x your strength and can to some extent control your monster
Skill issue, git gud and stop crying already@@Rugratboy
I'm that guy who took a break for 10 years, dealt with a couple 10 minute first round games and I was done.
Yugiboomer lol
they gotta get rid of those big wall of texts. im having heart attacks
Just read the cards bro it's not that hard
@@Kureiji-jy3cb im not reading and memorizing like every 2-5 minutes in sequence. they should of done 1-2 effects. avoid the whole wall text and give people a chance to play than wait for an otk
People who say it’s not that hard, don’t even read the cards themselves and have to read it themselves and if they enjoy that well they are a liar 😂
@Kureiji-jy3cb i read the cards and its aggrivating your statement is invalid its as if i dont care to play or read yet want some new stuff from Konami yugioh is garbage its fun to play casually sometimes but always lose 80% players are humpback whales thats why.
@@kevinmorad2563 yeah it fustrating to stop the match and keep on reading the cards like most of the times. wish this card games is a bit more simple casual.
support cards like kuriboh or up to 2000 atk- should have like 1-2 effects.
ace cards like yugi's dark magician or up to 3000 atk can have 2 effects.
boss monsters like yusei's shooting star 3000-4000atk can have 3 effects
god cards or divine wicked beast or nordic all gods 4000+ attack up should hold about 4-5 effects.
any of these effects can be a down side depending on how good the effects is. just t0 balance it out.
spell and traps should hold like 1-3 effects. 1-3 sentences. I wouldnt give it 4 effects, that be like god card realm.
Oh my god…. You are so right.
Nowadays when I’m second in my turn i just watch youtube or something else in my phone and wait till my opponent finishes his turn then if his board is overwhelming then I surrender. That’s how the game is now. If I dont draw hand traps I just quit, very simple game and there is no fun at all. If I want to play my fun decks to bring out kool monsters then I just play against the computer.
Here’s my theory. It’s all about money. You see, there was once a time where they try to make the games simple and fun again. You might’ve heard of these guys? The elements heroes? When they first came out they really sucked and only kids play them because of the anime. Unfortunately that wasn’t making them any money. So they started printing super busted cards again and now all of a sudden Whales got back into the game started spending like crazy. The game has gotten to the point where if a card sucks we won’t play it, and that’s not gonna make them any money. So they create these super powerful cards and ban the old ones to force you into buying them. This cycle repeats endlessly, and this is why I quit playing this fucking game.
probably the best decision in your life. this game went to a wrong direction. now its everything about making 20 special summons in your first turn to get a board full of strong monsters and dozens of negates. Good luck handling that if you dont have any 1 or two handtraps like Ash, Maxx C, or Impermanence in your first turn. If you dont follow the meta and put the same cards you are going to get stomped. Many of the old cards arent played anymore because they are so bad in comparison to the new cards. And even if they are played, they stand absoluletly no chance against the meta decks. That alone should be red flag that the power cap is completly out of control. Nobody, for example, plays non effect monsters anymore. Why is normal summoning restricted to 1 per turn while there is no limit for special summoning? this is so stupid. Special summoning now is much more common than normal summoning. It all comes down to a one turn kill. In most cases you dont even survive turn 2 anymore if your opponent summoned a full board of monsters and 10 negates. All konami had to do was to limit special summoning to 1 each turn just as normal summoning is limited to 1. Old yugioh had much more class. it was more like chess. you make a move and your opponent makes a move. Now I have to wait 5 minutes until my opponent is finsihed doing his special summoning shitfest. And in most cases the game goes to round 5 maximum. Limitting special summons to 1 would be the first good step. But knowing konami they will ruin it even more. Just stop playing this joke of a game.
"theory"
Buddy, that's the truth. Konami was always in it for the money, there's a reason why some people call them "Komoney".
Anyone feel like the game just plays itself?
I feel like Duel Links was their best way of "fixing" modern YGO. Being restricted to 3 main monster slots and 1 extra zone will stop a lot of negation spam once the game gets the most recent cards. It just sucks that DL doesn't have the MD gacha system, which is less predatory.
It stops negation spams bc they never allowed omni-negates into the game to begin with. DragonLink is never gonna be at full power bc all their Omni-negates will never get released.
@@andrewrowland1989 oh how do we tell him, theres multiple omni negates in duel links lmao with the most famous one being salamangreat roar.
it’s fucking boring running into ash blossom every single game. idk how yall find that fun
B-but Pot of Greed allows you to draw two cards...!
@@derkevevinpot of greed is more balanced the most unbanned cards yet is “too op” 😂😂
Every game in yugioh is decided within the first 2 or 3 sometimes even first turn its actually dumb...I want a game to last longer than 2 turns
Want interaction?
Play hand traps.
@@Romeo_of_Romelution or just play a good card game.
I mean...play Traptrix? Literally a control deck. Or Labrynth? Another control deck. Or dare I say Crystal Beast? OH JOY, ANOTHER CONTROL DECK
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 or just play a good card game.
I miss the combos of old ...
Me: "I activate my Tribute to the doomed to destroy your Monster by discarding my Summoned Skull. Next, I'll activate my Premature Burial magic card. Now by paying 800 Life points and I bring back my mighty servant. But that's not all ... "
Opponent: 0.O!
Me: "I activate Megamorph .. giving my monster 2500 more attack for a total of 5,000. Summoned Skull... Lightning Strike!!! / Now I set a card and end my turn"
Sounds good 👍
Peak yugioh right there, especially because combos didnt happen constantly like they do these days.
Yeah, the game is just miserable in higher levels of play. Most of the time it's usually an auto concede if your opponent starts going into his meta chain and you have no hand traps. Like what game do you play where you have to concede instantly on turn 1 from being completely overpowered 50% of the time(perhaps more)? And then another 25% is just decks that kill you in 2 turns rather than 1 turn. You don't even get to play with the deck you've made. There is no back and forth.
I miss the suspense of face down defense cards, face down traps or spells that will turn the tide in an instant, turns where you are losing but you flip the table with your winning card,etc.
Absolutely agree. Nowadays, its just quick-effect activated which is negated with another quick-effect toppled by another quick-effect. Its basically a quick-effect meta and decks who own the most quick-effect cards (including graveyard activation quick-effects) is the one who'll rule the duel. Konami should've made quick effects exclusive to quick-play spells and even if monsters do have it, it should only be activated during battle phases so the players could setup, destroy and negate with only their backrows during main phases. To add more salt, most tiered decks out there uses graveyards like a part of their hand and for fucks sake, Konami doesn't even want to give new support cards on Gravekeepers or Fossil deck to prevent this from happening. Also, omni-negates and ftk decks are basically sins and shouldn't even exist.
Cope
Nobody really expects a valid argument for the state of the game now, so your comment really speaks for itself.@@bdkf-ci9hg
I know exactly what you mean. I miss the days where you would set 1 or 2 spells/1 monster and end your turn. Now, I see local tourneys on youtube take 5-10 minutes for 1 turn.
I feel old.
Seriously I hate that aswell, I miss the simplicity
@@aaronflores21afYu-Gi-Oh was never simple what are you on about?
They should take a note from the OG anime where they needed Ka to summon monsters and apply it to the game. Each player has 8000 Ka and it goes down as you summon monsters depending on their original ATK and DEF and what position you summon them in. If your Ka falls too low you can't summon anymore monsters that turn until your next standby phase where your Ka goes back up.
The problem isn’t all archetypes or card types after gx. The problem is the strategies they use most to stop their opponent from playing. Take two xyz archetyps Kashtira and ghostrick, one just stops you from playing the other turns your cards facedown for one turn to do direct attacks but none of their monsters go above 2000 atl
Was just playing MD and there are cards that can’t be destroyed by battle or effects… WHY??!! There was nothing I could do and he had like 5 cards at least 3000 power like the fuck man… AND his their cards had the ability to steal my cards and/or just send them to my graveyard for no reason!!! I read the cards and there was nothing stating they had those abilities. I really want to play but it’s impossible
There's cards that can return to hand, banish, shuffle into the deck and send to the graveyard all of these are different than being destroyed by card effects
Tell me What's that card name so i can explain it
Youre so right man damn! I once had a 67 turn duel in Nexus back in 2021 were my opponent and i had like a weird oldschool ygo and modern ygo deck and it was insanely fun! Ill always remember duels like those the tension!!!
I remember in the 2010's they called people scrubs or attacked people for calling this out
As a old school player coming back from 17 years of hiatus, the only way i can compete was to have bunch of cards in my deck like lava golemn, sphere mode, gameciel, skill drain, gravity bind, messenger of peace...etc to stand a chance.
Sounds like your deck is bad. If it is from 17 years ago it probably stopped being good a long long time ago (if it was ever actually good)
Create an anti meta deck using carda like that, use messenger of peace with gravity bind and wall of light and some spell jammer and tools of the bandits
Exactly there should never be bad cards in a game just because there old it's bull crap if anything they should be the rare sought after cards that are op not the other way around but if it's all about the money and new cards it's wack tho
I mean, most modern decks play those cards too so whats the problem?
Personally it's the infinite negates people can get that sucks.
The funny thing is, at least as far as the number of turns is concerned, the modern format is probably closer to actual "duels" with swords/guns/whatever. Doesn't make for a great game, but still.
Your points stand. I loved Yugioh Vrains, but it was mostly for the story. The duels were just the icing on the cake.
My opponent just spent 5 minutes ""ending their turn"" by stacking a crazy number of effects... For a game that's really fussy about it's wording you'd think the end of their turn would actually be THE END OF THEIR TURN! God damn it Yugioh...
Honestly the biggest problem is people trying to defend the 💩 and refusing to acknowledge any of the problems. Just “learn the game and get good cards lol”
I tried getting back into the game (once again). I grew up with original Yu-Gi-Oh, but I've made myself familiar with modern Yu-Gi-Oh.
I don't think anyone can make a realistic argument that Yugioh is a game welcoming to new players.
Trying to play Master Duel, I bought the Dragonmaid starter deck. I had a few cards to upgrade it with, and went to ranked (I was in the BRONZE tier). My second match in, it was turn 0 and my opponent had a full field of XYZ and link monsters. I knew I couldn't win, but I decided to still attempt my first turn of the game and my opponent negated my first card. I just surrendered.
This experience is not an anomaly. It's an absurd atmosphere for someone trying to just learn their own cards. It's not conducive to player retention and it's extremely unfun. I don't mean to say insta winning doesn't have a place in Yu-Gi-Oh, but it cannot be the entire game or eventually you'll be playing solitaire because you don't have an opponent.
I imagine the stereotype that Yugioh players don't read their cards only becomes more of a reality as this issue of power prevails. Players don't even have a chance to learn what their cards are capable of because of not only playtime being consumed by the combo fueled opponents but also from being locked out of your deck constantly. Each card is a novel being chained to another novel and so on. If you're unfamiliar with most of the cards, it's a tall order to not only stop your opponent's flow, but to also attempt to understand the combo on the fly all while you try to retain what your own cards are capable of. A match of 2-3 turns composed almost entirely by your opponents play in disparity to your own isn't going to allow for a learning experience nor a desire to return for more.
I want to enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh more, but I feel like that's an impossible task at this point, and I don't think there's an efficient and fun means of entering into the game.
This aged well to this day.
This guy is 200% correct heroes were last good cards they came out
Duel nowadays is more like a execution rather than a duel, you will sit there waiting for 10 to 20 min for your opponent to bring up there monster from the extra deck, The extra deck is really the star of the meta today, I miss the back to back duel.
honestly the core problem began a little past dragon ruler era, each season had its problems, its tier zeros, but you always felt like you could interact with your opponent, you felt if you found a clevor way to dig something out of your deck you could create an out.
Each archetype, and each element even had their own themes and gimics.
Zombie decks exploited the graveyard
dark/light monsters often became chaos decks which involved removing cards from the game to bring out big monsters like black luster soldier
Archfiends liked to bring out big monsters
each deck had a piece of the game that uniquely them exploited very well. Some decks were experts at manipulating the grave, others were master manipulators over the field with traps, some had great deck searchers with a way to pull things out onto the field easily. Some decks exploited the extra deck with ease
BUT THE KEY THING, is no deck was able to exploit all of these mechanics to the fullest. If you were to say there was five core mechanics in yu gi oh, from 2002-2013 the ten glory years of yu gi oh, every deck from those years, was only able to properly exploit 1-3 of those mechanics at a time, but never all five.
NOW to be a meta deck you must be able to abuse every single mechanic that exists in the game to the fullest. And ironically that makes modern decks genuinely feel less special. Because if every tier 1 deck does literally everything, than their is zero point in chosing one deck over the other, you simply chose whats the strongest.
There is no more "Controll" There is no more "tempo" There is no more "Stun", there is no more "graveyard focused" there is no more "hand control". It's simply "your deck MUST BE ABLE TO DO LTIERALLY EVERYTHING" or it sucks.
Sadly we were able to see decks still able to keep some identity during the early link years, but fast forward to today, and dek identity is literally gone.
I returned to yugioh and i realized why i left its a 5 days later turns with 4 negates on every turn i watched a video where someone said you gotta run 20 hand traps to play in this modern yugioh and he was right yugioh is a mess nowadays no soul indeed💯🗑️
I got literally first turn game locked by someone...they went first and summoned they're most op card that made it so I can't destroy it (unaffected by card affects) and it had 5300 attack and he had cards in hand that prevented me from summoning anything or playing anything...I may as well not even been there
Acesscode (based on Information) is only unefected when it does something and hand traps exist you need to know that to play complain about combos then you complain about cards stopping them
Lemme guess, Accesscode + floodgates. Okay, I wanna know who is the genius that made that stupid combo
Some more ammo for you. *This shit literally got so bad, even the anime team got sick of it.* Yeah, when Vrains came out and introduced Links, the writing team thought it was so brokenly bad, they ultimately decided to just *Get rid of the entire Extra Deck mechanic* for the next series and just go back to basics. Because it was becoming too hard for them to write realistic duels that didn't end with someone getting stomped after a few turns. *You heard me.* The game had spiraled so far out of control, the producers had to do a soft reboot for the next series just to make things believable again. That should tell you something.
Yeah, I heard of that. Soulburner, one of the heroes, was a big example of this. The guy in charge of scripting duels for Vrains went on record to say he had the *Hardest* time putting Soulburner in actual losing scenarios because his deck was just THAT good. And to say nothing of Revolver and his busted as hell Borrel Dragons.
Didint know that its crazy
Source?
Someone should create a group or tournament that doesn’t allow cards that involves those link, xyz and synchro summons.
I think Yugioh is a fundamentally broken game and always has been broken, it's just now because of the internet, EVERYBODY is playing meta decks
"Modern" Yu-gi-oh sucks. I agree with you bro.
I totally agree. Modern ygo is annoying af. If your opponent goes first, he is able to combo 5 negates onto the field, end his turn and that's it. You lose.
If you go first, your opponent negates everything, even your own surrender, with some stupid hand traps.
I played Master Duel for over a year now and it's SO fucking frustrating. You don't even get enough free gems to compensate for all the hate you feel.
Sorry for bad english, I am from Germany.
Have a good day.
It's all good man, its sad that fanboys will try to constantly attack me in the comments because i exposed issues with the game.
Master duel is a bo1 format, actual yugioh is bo3
It's not comparable, yugioh was designed for a bo3 format
Its because master duels format sucks comparing master duel where tomahak is legal to tcg where harp is still banned is stupid
Let's be honest, if you vsed something broken af... you don't want a bo3 just to L again 😂😂😂 I get to abt mid plat in MD then things go to shít. Bad thing is, about 80% of my duels to get to that point.... all DC or players run the clock out hoping I quit or lose connection... so its not enjoyable no matter what rank I am 😂 worst part about yugioh IMO, massive learning curve. Ever tried to teach some1 to duel with today's standard??? 😂 not only do u need to perfect your strats, u gatta learn what to negate and how to counter OP AF builds. No1 feels great abt vsing combo build and clueless to what's going on or what the end goal is.... if u havnt played this crap in a few years... I wouldnt advice returning for that fact.
@@SweetLeavesXbox1yeah I was taught how to play by a friend nearly 3 years ago, during a time when we had way more combo non linear decks than today, it's really not that difficult though as long as you can read and have a better attention span than a goldfish, you need to invest time into any hobby
The entire game is toxic. But it's Konami that's the problem, because they made it that way. The modern decks take a literal dump on any older deck, so those older cards. Half of the 10,000+ cards are complete garbage and it's disappointing. In a good game all cards have a purpose. Think of games like Uno. I love Uno.
Honestly I don’t blame Konami. Konami just distributes the game. It’s Studio Dice that’s the real problem. They develop the cards and all that shit. Studio Dice needs to stop making cards that do a million things and have little to no drawback. Hard once per turns is not enough anymore. I propose that Konami introduce a new rule in Master Rule that each player can only negate 1 card of each type (monster, spell and trap) per turn.
@@andrewrowland1989I agree. Something needs to change before it's too late. The new Photon Hypernova cards some look like damn entire paragraphs. Like I need a degree in Yu gi just to understand how these decks work now. The modern game has become a bit too complex. I want to relax and play a game but sometimes I feel like a damn Physicist trying to keep up with the Meta. Then Konami turns around and bans half of the broken deck they just released a few banlists later which is Tear. Pretty typical though I guess from them. Just sucks the old school cards could be recycled into toilet paper and no one would care. 😂
@@FullUhFools The reason Tear got hit so fast is because the deck was literally Tier 0, like it had no contender once the Ishizu support came out
i think synchros and XYZs were fine. when they added shit that changed the field they started fucking up big time. then just constant power creep of course.
And most of those archtypes are boiled down to do some convoluted 20 card combo to summon something over powered.
I will never understand how people find a 5 minute game where they win by their second turn fun. What made games like Tag Force fun for me was the constant back and forth. Sure a curbstomp here and there is fun but I never went for meta decks because that just sucks the fun out of the game in the long run for me.
With that said, no meta deck back in the day came close to a regular competitive modern deck today when it comes to being anti-fun.
Because all of that back and forth in concentrated in 3 turns its so fast and so intense and long at the same time thats why most matches last 40 mins + most time is spent thinking about interactions and there is back and forth on turn 1 because you can interrupt your opponent on turn 1 with handtraps and he has to change his gameplan and find a way to still get to his end board
Ppl find this game fun because its a strategic game that encourages critical thinking but you'll only get that if you stuck around and got good at it thats why on a surface level its not as appealing
And thats apparent especially in the playerbase ygo has a hard time bringing new players but it is very good and retaining and keeping them .
@@bdkf-ci9hg my first time playing ygo was the release of master duel and prior to that I don't know anything about it beside the anime.
I gotta say after looking up old playstyle and tournaments, modern ygo is %100 better and it's not up to debate. There's so many archetypes and options that are viable nowadays compared to the pre Extra deck era who uses pretty much the same cards and the toxic strats are way more frustrating due to the combination of the lack of options to fight them and their actual disgustingly overpowered stat stick and seemingly unfair effects compared to the other cards at that time.
Also people be like "hurr durr every turn lasted 10 minutes, literally boring game" when that 10 minutes can be full of back and forth with your opponent during the same turn.
Meanwhile old school ygo would just summon 1, set cards and pass for 20 turns straight until you draw a bigger monster or a board breaking trap/spell, now that's what I call BORING.
@@HeseliqMikav based take
I'm soon turning 36 years old and grew up with Yu-Gi-Oh! I collected and loved the manga and owned some of the classic starter decks. Back then, I didn't have anyone to play with, so Yu-Gi-Oh! faded away for me. It wasn't until 2017 that I got back into the game and was surprised by the expanded rules... and even more surprised that most of the starter packs sold by Konami were mostly rubbish, and you had to spend a fortune on deck-building.
I then built a Dark Magician deck, which never went beyond the casual level. A friend of mine advised me to at least include Synchro monsters so that I could participate and keep up with others... but I thought it was all nonsense. I have to admit, though, I kinda like the Wind Witches
I agree with some ur takes and u have a chill outlook compared to most yugi boomers but I'm afraid things can't go back to "the way it used to be in the good old days" but competitiveness is a necessity in a game like yu gi oh and it can get stale without new content thus u should just stick to goat if u want to play like that
I've been learning YGO, new YGO, and it's really sad the best piece of advice I was given was "Bring a book" So that way then when the turns drag on and I'll have nothing to do I can at least read. Not even joking where I live there is a comic book and game shop, I buy mangas and play games there, I've been able to steadily read 1 - 2 chapters of manga every turn or game I don't go first.
new YGO is a fucking joke and if they don't bring in new people soon it will die 100%. I don't care how smug these long term players are, how excited they are feeling that easy win playing a pre planned combo every other try hard uses, using decks that are all 90% the same thanks to staples, you will lose it all, and then the only thing you'll be able to do is complain that the new players just "Didn't get it" and you can do that all you want but we warned you. We all unanimously said this shit needs work, fix it or die, and they picked death.
I would just be happy with some kind of special summon limit. Just so I can do something, anything, and maybe make it so people aren't negating or flood gating so much. It's that simple. Sure it won't be the same game, but it might just save it. Or would these people rather let it die than let it change, shame they couldn't have done that before Link came out
Bro said "my deck is fair, I just floodgate ppl out the game if they don't have the spell trap removal to remove Necrovalley, which they probably won't cause there decks are teched for 6-7 negate boards"
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@@JohnKill3DGaming Simply put, running Necrovalley invalidates a lot of your complaints
It's a field spell clown. It has no self defense and is easily destructible, stop crying that it hardcaps your tryhard deck by removing your cheap ass graveyard effects.
First turn of the games 90% of the time is like Break my board with 5 monsters and 10 negates. You can't? You lose.
Konami needs to restart. They need to restart with set rotation in mind. I'm not saying start at LOB, I'm saying figure out what yugiohs game design philosophy is these days, and print a set that supports that. Have the cards exit out every three or so years and boom. A balancable game. Konami could even provide prizes for topping events to encourage people swap to this new spin off.
Swap the name from yugioh trading Card game, to yugioh competitive card game.
LOB? I'm a mtg player so Idk what that is
@@I_see_provy LOB is yugiohs Alpha set basically. It's the first set of cards.
you know what's just as bad as FTK sweats? sweats who surrender just because they didn't get their perfect FTK hand
Bro, sync aren't a problem, nor they were never a problem. The power kreep honestly didn't become a problem pass 5ds.
The problem with the new cards is they treat the GRAVEYARD like there hand
so true, new yu-gi-oh is not even fun anymore...
The other issue is that fans have become so bias that you can’t criticize the game without fanboys defending it blindly. Each time they make a point it’s from a bias perspective and they resort to the whole skill issue like that’s an argument. Konami really fosters this toxic part of the fandom since they only care for those with blind devotion to the game. Real fans with criticize something because they love it and want it to get better. These loud fanboys don’t understand that which is why their arguments always fall flat.
@@JohnKill3DGaming Dude every yugioh player knows the game has problems no one disagrees with that. The problem is your video in particular saying that yugioh is going to "die" when you provided horrible arguments to back that up. If u wanna see how bad your arguments are go look at blooby comment from a month ago he describes in detail how shit your arguments are. You're just a dick saying that we blindly defend this game when the reality is we're countering the dumb arguments u made in your video.
1 Year later, game is still shitty lol
Wanted to return to it after around 15 years, I was shocked with what happened and just let it go. I missed so much that now it feels like a completely different game, it made me really sad that I couldn't being out the child in me that LOVED Yugioh
Try goat format and rush format
You know, I miss the days when you had to construct your deck out of a bunch of unconnected cards with little-to-no synergy, where you actually had to take their individual strengths and weaknesses into account to make sure they covered each other's weaknesses.
Now the game is chalk-full of archetypes that exploit one another to such a degree that it's no longer about strategy but literal exploitation. Remember when cards like Raigeki were banned due to legitimate balance reasons, because they possessed absurdly powerful effects at zero cost to the user and could turn the tide of battle in a flash?
Now you can stuff 3 Raigekis in your deck because the game has been so thoroughly power creeped that any semblance of balance has been thrown out the window.
What in god's name has happened to this game...
I promise uuuuuu
Yugioh died years ago this game has evolved to a point to where it’s untolerable I’m glad I quit I’d rather collect Pokémon cards and I don’t even play that game rest in pain Yu-Gi-Oh
Died years ago, lmao
The game is actually doing fine nowadays lmao
Agree with everything you said. Yu-Gi-Oh is barely on life support. I downloaded YGO Omega and attempted to play some ranked games,, I made a queen's knight slifer deck, a umi kayrui-shin control deck and a Ra OTK deck. I attempted to anticipate the idiotic decks that would be meta but I wasn't ready for what I saw. First off, I waited about 5 to 15 minutes for the dudes to finish their turns. Waiting is not my idea of fun, even more so when my deck isn't a combo deck and I finish my turn in under 2 minutes, then it's either game over for me or I get to wait 15 more minutes, after which I lose. I attempted to play some going 2nd cards like evenly matched and sphere mode, barrier statue and stuff like that, but those decks just have endless resources. Their spell cards summon monsters, destroy any type of card I have and can be used in the GY to summon or pull another card that ,again, just does everything. And they keep recycling and using cards until they have a few negates, a card with 4000 ATK that is invulnerable to target or destruction or something like that. And this is every game.
Try using a deck with macro cosmos and make hell in their lives
That's literally why they are META, the best of the format? Like come on, if you really wanna counter them you have to put in a little research 😂
@@Denter_g yeah, I'm aware, however this limits the amount of options and quite frankly none of the decks or play styles or dynamics seem to match my game preference, so I just stick with casual play between friends for now
Unfortunately this was always going to happen because Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have a resource system like mana that hard limits what you can do in a turn.
And it doesn't even have a rotation system to limit the amount of card combos.
I learned that if you love the original game, just buy some 25th anniversary old school cards, and play yourself. I have been doing that with Legendary Decks II. Exodia Deck, Blue Eyes Deck, and Red Eyes Deck.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Competitive yugioh was always like this. Old yugioh meta is arguably more toxic and uninteractive. Ftks and handloops were everywhere and you have no way of interrupting them on the first turn. If you're talking about casual yugioh then it hasn't changed. You can still play the game casually with friends with old school decks, but you can't expect to beat the modern meta with power crept cards. I would say today's meta is way more skill intensive than the past. There's more cards and effects to keep track of, and choosing when to use your interruptions can completely change the duel.
If I didn’t know what I was talking about, I wouldn’t have made the video.
@@JohnKill3DGaming A lot of people make videos about subjects they don't fully grasp. You're no different. Don't bother responding if you don't have any meaningful arguments. All you do in this comment section is insulting people for being "fanboys" or saying that someone is a kid just because they disagree with your opinion. You ask people to give actual arguments yet you don't provide any in your responses.
still someone who defends yu gi oh blindly, apart from the djin locks or other pp or other yata garasu which were quickly settled due to a banlist, the old meta games were diversified and fun and less cancer, today you have maxx c,ash and Infinite Impermanence for the hands traps, the ftk are common currency, the decks are combinations of 2 to 5 archetypes,
and to play casual with decks like necroz, raidraptor or antic gears, you have to put at least 8 cards that are not in the deck without counting traps like hand traps.
for example salamangreat, you have to play flame buffelo or Infinite Impermanence or play it with another archetype, which destroys the nature of the deck
(well it was pretty much the case before, but well I had the inpresion of playing a salamangreat deck and the combinations of archetypes were much less common and it was funny to see sometimes)
for casuals have is condemned to play with the same people or unclassified on master duel for example, which is not fun after a while.
and I also think that you find it normal that there are more ftk today, and you find it normal that I got ftk without even being able to play a card where I got locked out of all the possibilities of playing monsters, magic or traps so I was doomed.
(and its conbos are banned only after 6 months or so or are barely nerfed so...)
I think you forgive konami too much for their errors which will be lethal for yu gi oh in the future...
and excuse me for the english
@@laskouide_newragingbulls I see your point. Decks now have to play at least 8 cards that are outside of the archetype because of generic hand traps and boss monsters. Cards like baronne and accesscode were definitely a mistake. I think hand traps are good for the game though, they stop players going first from making unstoppable boards or doing ftks. I feel like a lot of people are ignoring the flaws of old yugioh, because decks were definitely not diverse back then. Chaos emperor and other staples like mirror force and raigeki were literally ran in every deck. A lot of duels back then were completely based on luck because the optimal play each turn was extremely easy to see, yet yugiboomers seems to think that new yugioh requires no skill when in reality it's the most skill dependent the game has ever been. People say archetypes ruined yugioh yet in reality it's what made deck building actually diverse. Back then every deck were just good stuff decks consisting of the most powerful staples of the format. Nowadays there's actually some variance, you can combine archetypes together and create a lot of interesting combos with the large amount of cards. Of course it's annoying when people on ladder plays the same decks over and over again but that's how every competitive game works, people play what's best to get easy wins.
I'm not saying new yugioh is perfect but I just disagree when people say yugioh is "ruined" when it's literally like this before. I feel like people are confusing old yugioh with playground yugioh, because the amount of tier 0 formats in competitive old yugioh were ridiculous. If you want to play playground yugioh today, it's absolutely possible. The problem is that the majority of people are comparing playground yugioh to competitive yugioh, and they expect to win against competitive decks with whatever deck they make.
@@JohnKill3DGaming I normally don't care when people shit on modern yugioh, but it's a problem when you're making a video on this and misleading literally thousands of people and turning off new players from playing the game.
It went from “I have a 2500 beater >:)”
To “I have 15 negates you can’t summon your turn you can’t activate spells and you have no cards in your hand thanks to my effects”
Or also (1st turn) “I use the effect of my I now assemble all five pieces of exodia”
As a semi maybe half competative Yu Gi Oh player, I can confirm. And I didn't really wanna become a competative Yu Gi Oh Player initially but that's what I had to become in order to stand a chance and frankly I think the game is better if you're casual or just Semi competative. Some combo's to get out big monsters with only ONE negate for an entire turn... maybe 2 negates for a turn feels fine.
But if you pull a combo that straight up prevents your opponent from playing where there is no back and forth then I think the person who did said combo needs to rethink their lives.
@@madhattermaker622 Agreed. Too bad so many people are used to the whole "30 combo, your whole field is locked, hand destroyed, and I have 25 monsters on my side of the field with 80,000 attack each, and they all have the effect of allowing me to attack on the first turn of the duel. I attack for game." and *somehow* they actually like it. Listen, I get it in some ways, like back in the day when you drew that one card that let you pull off an epic combo and make on helluva comeback, it felt good. But now, it's just "Either have a 923 combo deck that auto-plays from turn one and is an insta-win and cancels everything or enjoy losing." like, it just sucked all the fun out of the game. Since that's where the fun was. In the strategy. Like "Oh hey, your strongest monster just got destroyed. What are ya gonna do?" and you strategize and plan your way out of it. Or if your opponent was in the same boat, it's fun to see how the plan their way around and out of that situation.
@@Tonyvld Yeah, there's some weird sense of eurphoria when you start pulling off cool combo's and slamming down a powerful monster like a Yu Gi Oh Card ninja. I used to play Stardust decks back in the day and in order to stand a chance against competative players I too had to be a negator sadly but I can't deny that it was fun to just pull a cool combo.
Now though I've realised that this just isn't the way I wanna play but I also don't wanna abandon all the combo stuff because I did enjoy it so I've sort of decided to stick to Cyber Dragons. Now I've got 3 combo's I can do depending on my starting hand as well as a few inbetweens all of which are not game breaking.
Combo 1: If I have overload fusion and the other cards can get out Cyberdark end dragon which is the strongest boss fusion monster I have.
Combo 2: If I have machine duplication I can get out Infinity as well as some others depending on what I have.
Combo 3: if I draw Clockwork night I can play it and use my opponent's monsters as materials for Chimeratech Fortress dragon which isn't an activated effect so they can't negate it but Fortress dragon isn't immune to effects so I say it's fairly balanced.
Sometimes if the stars allign and my hand is too good I can get out Cyberdark End dragon, Cyber Dragon infinity and Cyber Dragon nova on turn 1. If I try really hard to keep them all alive then turn 2 I can rank up my nova into my 2nd infinity but this is rare and rightfully so since we're talking 2 negators that can turn your attack position monsters into it's material. Franky I enjoy playing this way as it's not competatively viable but it really feels fun to work with what you got.
@@madhattermaker622 I get that man. It's always an awesome feeling to get off a combo that saved your ass from a fire and turns the duel around. It really is. But the modern yugioh has gotten out of hand. Now it's literally "If you don't have one or more handtraps and Ash blossoms in your hand on turn 1, I win" which isn't how it should be.
@@Tonyvld My solution is... negates should have a price. maybe pay 1000 to 2000 life points to do which will really make your opponent consider IF the negate is truly worth it. May not be a good one but it's a start!
I dont even play card games but i noticed they always wind up being who can randomly get their finishing combo or god card first. You arent actually playing someone else they just happen to be there while you slot machine
I already commented a while ago, but megacapitalg saw your video and you popped back into my mind again. Just checking that people are still angry about their playground yugioh decks from nearly a quarter century ago aren't playable. I recommend to you lot a series called "History of Yugioh" by a yugituber called cimooooooooo, it was a total nostalgia blast for me, and might be educational in telling why you guys are wrong about old school COMPETITIVE yugioh.
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95% of the player base not the COMPETITIVE side bruh😂
@@MrNone-d5sthen don't play competitive
Could be an issue with instant gratification. Kids play Fortnite and the like and everything is so fast paced. Look at shows for kids now vs back in the 90’s everything is so much faster these days. Attention spans are diminishing and things need to be quicker to hold engagement.
You're objectively right. people will hate on this video because it just shows the truth.
modern yugioh isn't fun and it's completely void of soul.
a good example are the card artworks. the original card artworks had super interesting unique desings like summoned skull. now every monster card looks like a typical anime waifu despite that duel monsters is said to be originated in egypt. Konami wants to appeal more to masses instead of sticking to its roots. konami has the ability to ruin all of their franchises. Look at metal gear how they treated kojima.
@@tulpartengri6584 So true. They all look alike now. No personality.
its over for yugioh@@Nelex5000
@@tulpartengri6584 yugioh has fallen. billions must play pokemon
To me all its showing is a lack of understanding of the game and terrible points in general
7 months late but I grew up with the original series & the old school cards. My brother taught me when I was 6. I returned to the game through Master Duel, and oh god, it’s ridiculous. People have no attention spans, they can’t handle an OG duel that takes time & skill. I’m not even trying to talk crap but WOW you can take 10 minutes during your OPPONENTS turn and summon tons of cards. You can negate every effect. You can just not allow your opponents to do anything. It’s changed so much. The power creep is stupid. You just can’t use old cards anymore.
Exactly it's called a META. This is a competitive game what do u expect
@@Joeythroatgod How does it feel to be such a loser, defending this slowly dying, shitty card game. There's a reason most people prefer Magic the Gathering despite its own major flaws. The old card game was like a well planned game of chess, where you had to constantly react to yours and your opponents plays. Now its just not allowing someone to play at all or FTK/OTK them. There were barely any "Meta" decks that would consistently be able to pull this off, and were therefore unused for the most part, or dealt with by severely limiting or banning key cards in that strategy very quickly. Nowadays, if your deck isn't built to FTK/OTK people, you've built your deck incorrectly. Tell me how that's fun for anyone.
@@Joeythroatgod i expect to be able to play the game, not get locked out of making any moves if I don’t use very specific cards. It used to be competitive & fun, now it’s just silly. You either use the stupid meta decks or you don’t get to play. That’s a problem.
@@JustLikeTheSimulations excuse me but it's still highly competitive and extremely fun if u play the game how it is meant to be played and besides of course u can't use old cards in a 20+ year old card game u can't expect it to be the same as when u were normal summoning blue eyes with no tribute and besides if u wanna do that go play Goat format dingus
The thing is I don’t even really think it’s the archetypes. The archetypes are all just engines to get to the same usually identical, generic, optimal end board almost every deck is trying to get to OR an engine to break that end board with. The decks that do those things best are at or near the top of the meta. Konami loves these generic end boards for a reason, even if you want to play a cheaper rogue deck you have to buy into those generics to keep up with the meta and since any deck can make most of them to varying degrees of success you have no reason not to unless you’re fortunate enough to have something better or similar In Archetype, which most decks just don’t. It’s largely just general power creep. They’re making broken engines and broken bosses to push new product and since Yu-Gi-Oh lacks set rotation and really doesn’t officially support alternate formats, all they know how to do is go up, up, up. Their new solution seems to be stronger turn 2 cards and that’s fine and dandy until the top of the meta is back to people playing on their opponents turns again.
It’s incredibly astounding where the game has gone in 2023. Master duel you literally have to negate everything just to have a chance. You have monsters that literally have you unable to play the game and it’s sad
The problem with YGO is Konami never balanced the game and still hasn't, yet they continuously power creep and have let it grown out of control. The only thing keeping YGO is the cost-sunk fallacy of older players and churning through new players buying into the meta before they drop out. This applies to all card games but it's more prominent in YGO because again, the game is broken. It wasn't balanced when they made it and Konami never fixed it.