@@MsFearco making a card with cheaper gdrr6 charging more money and giving it the same name to confuse people is straight up a scam. they hope a mum will go buy this for there kid thinking its newer so it must be a little better when in fact its 10% worse and cost them less to make
No, Nvidia isn't worried about AMD because Nvidia has everyone convinced that they're the best, in spite of AMD having more VRAM and better performance per dollar across the board. People are sheep and Nvidia is the shepherd.
AMD is absolute utter garbage in everything else besides gaming. That's it. Only gaming. It doesn't have any support for Vray and many other softwares run A LOT slower and are full of bugs. Blender is so bad on amd gpu it's asinine, people that use an amd gpu for blender workloads should be banished to hell. If you use an AMD gpu in your PC then you might as well just call it a gaming console. There's a reason why AMD is barely making a dent in the gpu market, in fact it has decline really hard in market share. AMD is just gaming console card. Nvidia runs everything smoothly and it's not even close. It's not that people are brainwashed. AMD is just dogshit at everything besides gaming and people are aware of that. That's why Nvidia sells better.
Amd has more than 24gb vram on the gaming gpu's? Maybe just your little secret. Nvidia's not worried because they couldn't top the 3090, barely kept up with the 4080 and threw in the towel for the next release. Just flat gave up.
Whoa whoa settle down there boomer it'll be okay that's called your opinion I myself I'm an AMD fanboy multiple AMD builds currently AM5 runs my workloads my editing my gaming my streaming... everything flawlessly you sound like a Harley guy It's Harley Davidson or die lol.... I prefer my Honda I don't even have to change the oil unless I want to@@Hey1234Hey
Even if all you do is gaming then amd makes 0 sense at all rdna 3 vs ada lovelace. The power inneficiency makes their cards more expensive than nvidia counterparts in almost a year of ownership. Rdna 2 vs ampere was good but not rdna 3. Also you lose out on cuda , which some users cannot afford. I hope rdna 4 won't be a letdown.
Pretty much this. Sure intel would have liked to get the contract but let's be honest, since its been amd for a decade, noone knows how it would turn out.
That PS6 news is old. Intel tried for both Sony and Microsoft. The problem was how much Intel thought it was worth. There is no way in hell that Intel GPU's will ever out do AMD GPUs in gaming.
@@selohcin You act like the market isn't constantly moving, they may never catch AMD and Nvidia could have a massive screw up, we're already seeing signs of the limits with current production tech being met, Nvidia were having big issues with B100's turning out dud because the chip is literally at the maximum size current EUV lithography is capable of, which then puts the advantage to whoever can make chiplets work properly first, AMD have already brought a slightly underwhelming gen to market and learned their lessons, they have a distinct lead in this regard so in 4 years time tables may be turned, they also basically are funded by Sony and Microsoft at this point so would expect RDNA 5 to be well cooked and ready if rumours are true.
Last quick point on the New Ryzen 7600X3D CPU(Unfortunately Unavailable in Canada) is that It Retails for: $300.00 U.S. $$ & at least in 1 Test Edges Out the Intel i9 1400K which sells for: $535.00 U.S. $$ !!! Less Money for a better CPU Wins Every time!
It's not a bad way to stop a chip from eating into other chips sales. And makes some pre-builts a have a demand. They did it with one of the 7000 series APU's as well.
It will always suck, period. Internet speed isn't the important factor, latency is. Internet latency is way too high for cloud gaming to ever take off for any real-time games.
@@protox4Not really. Lets assume you have a latency of 5ms, which is pretty good but some even have better connection with Fiber. Depending on your Setup an actual Input lag of 30-60ms is likely, before Nvidia Reflex it was even higher and people didnt complain. All these console gamers playing with vsync also dont complain, which adds about 50ms. I think that it is possible to have Cloud gaming without noticable Input lag because it actually isn't the latency that introduces the most latency, its because it is encoded which takes longer. Look at streaming services, you have a 30ms ping to the Server yet your viewers have like a 4s delay. So the fastest way to get the Image would be raw uncompressed Video, which would also have the best Image quality but is just too much bandwith.
@@justmatt2655straight up wrong. There's companies more evil and less evil. Look at framework vs apple, look at mediatek vs broadcum look at valve vs blizzard
Too bad intel based PlayStation got canceled. Would've been so amusing watching intel delaying the first shipments cause they're incapable of producing the proposed APUs, similarly to how they postponed their only major supercomputer contract for 2021.
I know people are shitting on the 9000 series, but when you consider the power to performance ratio, they go a lot farther than the pricetag might suggest. Imagine living in California (gross i know) running a processor at say 200wh for say for a year. Assume that you pay .28 per kwh (that might even be cheap for California) and you average 6 hours of use per day. You would spend about 123.00 to power just that cpu for 1 year. Imagine owning that cpu for 3 years, over the run of its life, thats 369.00 bucks to power that cpu. Cut that number in half, because thats basically what a 9000 series cpu is doing for you for equal performance. That couple hundred dollar premium instead seems like more value. It just depends on how much you use it, how much you pay for energy, and how quick youre planning on replacing it. Theres value to be found here. Now for equal perfor
I don't understand why people keep paying so much more for such a lesser product. Screen quality sucks color correction sucks AA is so bad it's unreal and people are paying 400+ for a bottom of the stack card. Do I even need to say who it is.
Honestly, despite consoles not yielding much profits on the hardware side, I'm guessing that if someone needs to make cpus and gpus for them, AMD likely can with highest profits. Their cpus are ridiculously scalable, they basically use the same chiplets as everywhere else and just package them differently, so they can much more easily adjust them to the console needs. For gpu side, they also have the most experience with the apu grade gpus, which is approximately the performance needed for the consoles, and they are the only ones who can competitively offer both
Having ROCM supported on everything, that's an important move. Also needs to be done under Linux, but I'm pretty sure that's happening. The main thing they need, is a set of tools to take CUDA code and convert it to ROCM code. They already have some, but it still requires a bit of human programmer intervention. They need to keep polishing and homing that tool-set. There's an enormous amount of CUDA code out there, and you can't just load that code into ROCM. It needs to 'ported' or changed a bit and recompiled. Possibly related, the Linux AMD video driver is getting huge, from auto-generated header files. They're talking about how to deal with that. At a guess, some of those massive headers have to do with supporting ROCM on multiple different GPUs. I don't know that, I'm guessing, but Phoronix is talking about huge AMD video driver code in the kernel, and an awful lot of that is simply auto-generated header files.
Don’t think they would have ever realistically gone with Intel due to backward compatibility and stuff. They likely did it just for leverage to get a better deal from AMD. Microsoft did a similar thing.
If amd can create a unified memory where Ram can be used as vram just like Mac it would be a killer deal for AI developer. Imagine 128 GB memory for running LLM.
Radeon was already getting access to ROCM. Its still way more complicated to work with. They need to make it easier and get software companies and websites to offer support.
Cloud computing only works with reliable internet. During conflict cables and satellites are targeting making the remaining resources focused on essential transmissions vs cloud 'gaming'.
back where amd started to be able to compet against intel again in the ryzen starter times, i switched to AMD cause why not and got 3600X since than im buying AMD .. 5900X and soon 9800X3D .. fak INTEL, fak NVIDIA these scamming hobos .. team RED baby
If people want to charge the same price for the gddr6 and gddr6x that's fine but they should have to put it on the label. Otherwise it's kind of false advertising.
NVIDIA has a bunch of new government contracts so I do not think they are worried about anything. The average person is of no concerned since they will get your money threw the government anyway..
If it was 2022 they probably had also developement concerns. Intel gpu showed up something but still hard to guess what they can do especially in apu configs
The worst thing about intel falling off so much is now their fanboys are gunna start buying amd cpu and raise demand which ultimately raises the prices. Like btc miners raising the prices on gpu.
Manufacturers do not lose money on console sales, plain and simple. This is a long running myth made almost exclusively from the manufacturers themselves. There is nothing material to conclude that manufacturers take a loss on selling consoles since there is no reason to believe that individual buyers would make up the perceived difference in cost to produce consoles by buying software considering that software publishers also keep talking about the cost of developing software to sell. It's legitimate to assume a console buyer could just as easily use a console to play free-to-play games and software utilities without any further transactions or revenue going to manufacturers as opposed to any other buying habit. Manufacturers have to make money where they can, as soon as they can to show to investors their stability and growth within a market. Selling consoles under the cost to produce reflects negatively on that effort.
As long as ISP's cap our data rates, cloud gaming will never take off. It's complete BS that they impose these limits on something that doesn't have a limit in and of itself. I stream tons of videos and do some torrenting and if I didn't pay to remove the data cap then I'd 'owe' the ISP easily triple what it costs to remove the cap. Like, chill Mr. CEO. There's plenty of internet left for the other people out there.
it is still a cut-down product and should not be sold at the same or even higher prices as it is with some models in my country, scummy move, no matter how big or small the difference is
Don't forget that leading up to the first Zen architecture launch, AMD sustained itself with those console contracts. They don't make for huge profits, but they are income, and under Lisa Hsu's leadership they enabled AMD to launch Zen, migrate to TSMC, spin off Global Foundries, draw market share off of Intel in huge chunks, improve its GPUs to competitiveness, AND buy Xilinx.
"Believe it or not AMD and Intel were the final two in that bidding process" Why would that be hard to believe? What other chip makers are interested in gaming? The push for x86 in the console market means the only two likely considerations are Intel and AMD. Other companies like Qualcomm would move them away from x86 and with Sony and MS trying to hit both PC and console markets moving away from x86 makes no sense.
If you have already an AM4 Board consider to upgrade to an 5700X3D if you have no X3D chip already and dont plan to buy an 4090 .. , AM4 X3D is still not that much behind AM5 X3D ( maybe 10 to 20 % , depending on the Game ) and mostly its the high FPS = 400-500 FPS where it falls behind because of the lower clock speeds . The 5700X3D should be aviable for 180-200 USD
Dude needs to talk to Ricky Bobby,.. he has zero idea what to do with his hands. AMD WON !!!... dude, no one wants to contract console shit. No one but amd. What a W. Good thing this dude doesn't run any business with more than him and his cat relying on a week to week pay check.
It's a new GPU and probably the prices is related to that and stock, and people wanting it. If no one buys, it will go down, if it doesn't, people are ok with it. This is not relevant.
Somebody needs to get onto an Intel/ Nvidia contract. Microsoft maybe. It would spark further competition and be good for the industry as a whole. It honestly surprises me Microsoft hasn't been using Intel the entire time, being an American company and supporting another American company. It was...interesting when MS and Sony used IBM and was good for IBM too.
Okay he doesn't say the full extend of why they lose the contract. Intel basically want to charge more for each chip. Looks at PS5 pro with that atrocious price. You think next gen isn't gonna cost 1k USD with Intel? Also backward compatibility are a thing. Even Qualcomm loses that contract, the only reason why Intel are still a consideration until the last 2 are because x86 and Gpu similar to AMD. Intel is using AMD GPU IP. But using Intel means whatever you optimized game for PS5 pro will be ruined and causes Sony/dev to reprogram games for ps6. A handheld ecosystem with backwards compatibility means Sony are kinda a bit hard lock to AMD.
cloud gaming is an industry, but it kinda just cant take over. you need machines that give users $3000 dollar mark gaming pc performance. meaning you're using top sku sever hardware. 1 rack with just a single unit installed is gonna be $60k-$80. You'd need millions of these machines to host to billions of users. its just not possible to loan that much out just for cloud gaming.
I bet that if intel gives up on the playstation bet, and amd the only one that would design the chips, amd is going to increase the price. I think people must be grateful that there is still competition. Because if amd wants to make money out of it, the plastation could get at least 100 dollars/euros more expensive
I wonder if the price hike is due to "supply & demand". Noone with any clue to building (assembling) a PC should be looking at Intel's 13/14 gen chips. That goes double for professional workstations as long before the chip has fried itself and starts crashing, it is also likely to have been producing errors in your data for weeks/months before hand. I put together a new PC for my sister two weeks back, she is not a gamer and I didn't even suggest a dedicated GPU. I built the new system with a Ryzen 7600(no-X). The supplier asked me to write a review yesterday and I just happened to look at the current pricing while doing it. They have no 7600X in stock just a 'pre-order' button in place, but the 7600's are not only out of stock but they are not currently taking any pre-orders. It makes me wonder if the 9000's were priced high just to flush out the stock of 7000's, some of them like the 7900X is currently £10 cheaper than the 7900(non-X). In a way that actually makes more sense as the 7900 comes with an AMD heat-sink, the X version is just the chip so it costs less to manufacture and ship. Even without buying a bigger/better heat sink the 7900 can reach speeds so close to the X version you could not tell without bechmarking them. I built my latest PC with a 7900 back in June (assuming the 9000's would be more expensive with the non-X versions being at least another 6 months behind), Setting the PBO to 85C with -20mv has this CPU running at 120W max and all core speed of 4.5+GHz for hours running two handbrake jobs at once. The peak speed is 5.2GHz as I have not changed to max limit, I am also using the AMD Wraith Prism that it came with. I am very happy with this system, I can now process Blue-ray movies as fast as my old Ryzen 2700 could do DVD's. With Blue-ray's costing from nothing to only a few pennies more than the DVD's I will likely buy more than I used to. There's still the down side of using 2-3 times the disk space so TV boxsets will remain DVD (I'm in the UK and our PAL DVD's are a bit better then the NTSC versions, as they have a 20% higher line count. 576 vs 480). I do play a lot of games on this PC but my GPU is a RX6700XT that I purchased a year before, so that GPU has gone from waiting for the 2700, to being the bottleneck. I only game at 1080 and don't play any online twitch shooters, mainly as I got bored with that back in the early 2000's playing LAN matches, but secondly even back then at ~40 my reactions were getting noticeably slower than the 20-30 year olds. Now at 60+ usually with a beer close at hand I'd be waisting my time :)
its clearly being raised so that when the 9800x3d is finally on market its msrp will most likely be over the $500 usa price bracket it wont be in the price range of the $400 ish 7800x3d , they deliberated raised the price on from $320 ish to over $400 just for this reason in my opion so the 9000 x3d wwont be losing out sales to the 7000 series x3d stuff when the 9000x3d is released at higher prices
I am not a fan of Micro Center as the closest store is over 100 miles from me and they do not Ship. I have also found that even if I travel to buy all needed from my research some of the parts they don't even carry.
There are not enough laptop makers with amd apus and there are only 2 diferent models. As for Intel new apus every laptop maker has more than one model. Nvidea hardware has way more performance than AMD the only way AMD will get market share is if nvidia struggles to meet demands and customers don't want to wait.
It's partly AMD fault. Intel do have engineer to help OEM design laptop and such for them. This is the reason AMD with strix Halo only have few design but lunarlake have over 80.
You think Consoles don't make $? they must cost like $100-$200 tops, to make, the rest are parts, and they cost $500+, that's 150%+ profit, they sell many millions Worldwide, PS5 is like luxury commodity, everyone wants 1, it's $Billion$ in sales, are you insane? NGreedia is going for Greed and securing that Greed, so they can make 1,000x the money of Consoles, and even PC GPUs is optional for them, and Consoles isn't from their perspective cost-efficient and is a small business, not a bad 1. For AMD is exactly the opposite, is a good profitable business, that helps them keeping the rest of research alive. Go 🇷🇸AMD👍
Who cares about ROCm? It's Pathetic. It's a complete nightmare to set up. AMD have Zero incentive for customers to buy AMD when it comes to AI. All the guides are out of date and a 7900xtx is worse than a 3060 12G. I bought a brick that I can't get a refund on.
well we all know that intel onboard graphics suck balls so that's why its not really a feature in their cpu's, No wonder why intel lost. Intel graphic cards also suck ass so its no wonder why the ps5 pro is using amd and the 6 will be using it too because intel really has nothing going for them. They got overpriced cpu's, they aren't making any good gpu's so what good are they.
God I'm so glad I unsubscribed from this clickbaiting grifter sifting through old hardware news. Every now and then youtube recommends one, I give it a try, click through the stories and it's such a waste of time.
AMD is on a monster run, it's crazy
In two years we'll reap the benefits.
@@rodneyturnerphotoIt won’t take 2 years. AMD can do it in 1 year, especially with the help of OpenAI’s Triton.
@@tringuyen7519 for sure. They can do a lot is short period, but the hardware releases like UDNA is a generation out.
I hope so ;)
Infinity hype garbage execution garage marketing.
Nvidia straight up trying to scam people as normal
Scam, or stupid people? Also, they all do it mate. All of them.
Ngreedia and their partners.
@@96kylar Stupid people are the most easily scammed, but not exclusively.
Nvidia has no competition so they set the prices. That's not a scam. That's how business works.
@@MsFearco making a card with cheaper gdrr6 charging more money and giving it the same name to confuse people is straight up a scam. they hope a mum will go buy this for there kid thinking its newer so it must be a little better when in fact its 10% worse and cost them less to make
Do not buy Nvidia. Tell them to stuff it. They will change. Be smart consumers for a change.
I haven’t had an nvidia card for the entire rtx existence. All AMD.
The problem though is Nvidia still has majority in production suites. The will still charge a premium regardless, just loose the gamer market
No, Nvidia isn't worried about AMD because Nvidia has everyone convinced that they're the best, in spite of AMD having more VRAM and better performance per dollar across the board. People are sheep and Nvidia is the shepherd.
AMD is absolute utter garbage in everything else besides gaming. That's it. Only gaming. It doesn't have any support for Vray and many other softwares run A LOT slower and are full of bugs. Blender is so bad on amd gpu it's asinine, people that use an amd gpu for blender workloads should be banished to hell. If you use an AMD gpu in your PC then you might as well just call it a gaming console. There's a reason why AMD is barely making a dent in the gpu market, in fact it has decline really hard in market share. AMD is just gaming console card. Nvidia runs everything smoothly and it's not even close. It's not that people are brainwashed. AMD is just dogshit at everything besides gaming and people are aware of that. That's why Nvidia sells better.
Amd has more than 24gb vram on the gaming gpu's? Maybe just your little secret. Nvidia's not worried because they couldn't top the 3090, barely kept up with the 4080 and threw in the towel for the next release. Just flat gave up.
Whoa whoa settle down there boomer it'll be okay that's called your opinion I myself I'm an AMD fanboy multiple AMD builds currently AM5 runs my workloads my editing my gaming my streaming... everything flawlessly you sound like a Harley guy It's Harley Davidson or die lol.... I prefer my Honda I don't even have to change the oil unless I want to@@Hey1234Hey
Exactly, nvidia is just like Apple.. sheep will always buy no question
Even if all you do is gaming then amd makes 0 sense at all rdna 3 vs ada lovelace. The power inneficiency makes their cards more expensive than nvidia counterparts in almost a year of ownership. Rdna 2 vs ampere was good but not rdna 3. Also you lose out on cuda , which some users cannot afford. I hope rdna 4 won't be a letdown.
Consoles uses AMD since..... 2013, why would anyone expect anything else, when AMD main market is consoles (gaming).
Pretty much this. Sure intel would have liked to get the contract but let's be honest, since its been amd for a decade, noone knows how it would turn out.
That PS6 news is old. Intel tried for both Sony and Microsoft. The problem was how much Intel thought it was worth. There is no way in hell that Intel GPU's will ever out do AMD GPUs in gaming.
Nonsense. Just give them time. People used to say "There is no way AMD's CPUs will ever match Intel's", and yet here we are.
@@selohcin You act like the market isn't constantly moving, they may never catch AMD and Nvidia could have a massive screw up, we're already seeing signs of the limits with current production tech being met, Nvidia were having big issues with B100's turning out dud because the chip is literally at the maximum size current EUV lithography is capable of, which then puts the advantage to whoever can make chiplets work properly first, AMD have already brought a slightly underwhelming gen to market and learned their lessons, they have a distinct lead in this regard so in 4 years time tables may be turned, they also basically are funded by Sony and Microsoft at this point so would expect RDNA 5 to be well cooked and ready if rumours are true.
@@elysian3623AMD is not ahead in MCM. They just pushed it out earlier. Nvidia can already do MCM on their server chips.
@@selohcin Intel has basically given up on their GPU division.
@@selohcin Intels a dumpster fire atm, lots of engineers trying to line up other work in case they need to jump ship.
The story with the 7600X3D is fairly simple: exclusive product to AMD's best distributor partners.
Brick and mortars need all the help they can get what with the banksters using the US property market as their personal piggy bank.
Last quick point on the New Ryzen 7600X3D CPU(Unfortunately Unavailable in Canada) is that It Retails for: $300.00 U.S. $$ & at least in 1 Test Edges Out the Intel i9 1400K which sells for: $535.00 U.S. $$ !!! Less Money for a better CPU Wins Every time!
@@michaeloneill1360 well if you live in central to Eastern Canada you can go over the border to a MicroCenter
and its only in a combo. screw people that just want to upgrade their cpu..
It's not a bad way to stop a chip from eating into other chips sales. And makes some pre-builts a have a demand. They did it with one of the 7000 series APU's as well.
I just wish Microcenter would do Shipping because there isn't a Microcenter within 300 Miles of me.
Cloud gaming will always suck until unlimited internet and base level speed can be standardized
It will always suck, period. Internet speed isn't the important factor, latency is. Internet latency is way too high for cloud gaming to ever take off for any real-time games.
@@protox4 have you tried parsec? it really changed my perspective on that
@@protox4Not really. Lets assume you have a latency of 5ms, which is pretty good but some even have better connection with Fiber.
Depending on your Setup an actual Input lag of 30-60ms is likely, before Nvidia Reflex it was even higher and people didnt complain. All these console gamers playing with vsync also dont complain, which adds about 50ms.
I think that it is possible to have Cloud gaming without noticable Input lag because it actually isn't the latency that introduces the most latency, its because it is encoded which takes longer.
Look at streaming services, you have a 30ms ping to the Server yet your viewers have like a 4s delay.
So the fastest way to get the Image would be raw uncompressed Video, which would also have the best Image quality but is just too much bandwith.
@@protox4 not really, if you have fast speeds, especially with Ethernet, you’ll likely get good latency
Who doesn't have unlimited internet these days? You live in Africa?
I’ve worked for Nvidia after receiving my PhD. Today I work for AMD. Working at AMD is fun. Nvidia is a slave shop with many unhappy people.
Yeah, I do prefer AMD and I hope they take over Nvidia at some point but I feel like AMD would do the same as Nvidia if they had no competition. 😪
@@Mohammed-l5r8lamd isn't your friend, they would be just as bad if not worse than Nvidia if they overtook them
Fanboyism is Bad. Still Need to Root for AMD now until they overtake nshitia then its Vice versa
@@justmatt2655straight up wrong. There's companies more evil and less evil. Look at framework vs apple, look at mediatek vs broadcum look at valve vs blizzard
@@legendaryzfps You think AMD isn't less evil than Nvidia and Intel? You are naive lol
The closest micro center to me is on the other side of the Earth .
And they don't ship outside US.
@@GreyDeathVaccine true😭😭
@@GreyDeathVaccine here in my country RTX 4090 is costing 3500$ 🥺 with average Per capita income of 2400$ 😭
Too bad intel based PlayStation got canceled. Would've been so amusing watching intel delaying the first shipments cause they're incapable of producing the proposed APUs, similarly to how they postponed their only major supercomputer contract for 2021.
Nvidia is a scam company I've switches years ago.
I swear to God sometimes I think AMD is a sponsor behind the scenes lol
Sometimes Gamermeld wishes they did?
Sir, are you questioning Mr. Meld's integrity?
Find some news thats good for Intel or Invidia and im sure he would feature it. At the moment thou all the good news seems to be AMD stuff .
@@darreno1450 HAHAHAHAHA
It basically is just an AMD fan news site now. Hard to take it too seriously
Strix Halo with quad channel memory, AVX512 and ROCm support will make it the goto system for local LLMs
So annoying not to have micro centers where i live, like in the US.
@@bergdk237 I need one in Vegas asap.
@@rodneyturnerphoto I need one in Denmark😄
I know people are shitting on the 9000 series, but when you consider the power to performance ratio, they go a lot farther than the pricetag might suggest.
Imagine living in California (gross i know) running a processor at say 200wh for say for a year. Assume that you pay .28 per kwh (that might even be cheap for California) and you average 6 hours of use per day.
You would spend about 123.00 to power just that cpu for 1 year. Imagine owning that cpu for 3 years, over the run of its life, thats 369.00 bucks to power that cpu.
Cut that number in half, because thats basically what a 9000 series cpu is doing for you for equal performance. That couple hundred dollar premium instead seems like more value. It just depends on how much you use it, how much you pay for energy, and how quick youre planning on replacing it.
Theres value to be found here.
Now for equal perfor
How many times have I heard the phrase, "Nvidia should be worried!" in the past 5 years?
I dont think Intel never tried to win a console chip design.
Welcome to gamer meld where people mald in the comment section!
Intel didn't even have a GPU to offer for the PS6 and still does not.
Lets be honest, sony didnt want intels magic smoke
Heh.... EEVblog reference :D
I want my games stored on my own storage. First they took away physical media, now they want to take away the data too? No, ill never do cloud gaming
Intel does not have healty customer pipeline anymore..
My self, I will never buy intel cpu ever again after what came out with what they did.
same after trying amd cpu I can't go back to intel
There’s no reason to if you’re buying it for gaming only.
AMD winning on both price to performance and raw gaming performance
@@themarketgardener
Dont need it for gaming.
But for multi core for Unity..
I can’t wait to buy a laptop with Intel Lunar Lake chips
I don't understand why people keep paying so much more for such a lesser product.
Screen quality sucks color correction sucks AA is so bad it's unreal and people are paying 400+ for a bottom of the stack card.
Do I even need to say who it is.
Honestly, despite consoles not yielding much profits on the hardware side, I'm guessing that if someone needs to make cpus and gpus for them, AMD likely can with highest profits. Their cpus are ridiculously scalable, they basically use the same chiplets as everywhere else and just package them differently, so they can much more easily adjust them to the console needs. For gpu side, they also have the most experience with the apu grade gpus, which is approximately the performance needed for the consoles, and they are the only ones who can competitively offer both
Having ROCM supported on everything, that's an important move. Also needs to be done under Linux, but I'm pretty sure that's happening. The main thing they need, is a set of tools to take CUDA code and convert it to ROCM code. They already have some, but it still requires a bit of human programmer intervention. They need to keep polishing and homing that tool-set. There's an enormous amount of CUDA code out there, and you can't just load that code into ROCM. It needs to 'ported' or changed a bit and recompiled.
Possibly related, the Linux AMD video driver is getting huge, from auto-generated header files. They're talking about how to deal with that. At a guess, some of those massive headers have to do with supporting ROCM on multiple different GPUs. I don't know that, I'm guessing, but Phoronix is talking about huge AMD video driver code in the kernel, and an awful lot of that is simply auto-generated header files.
They can't convert CUDA to ROCm .....that's illegal .....
If they won the Sony contract, it would boost their handheld business
Didnt they say a year ago that everything after that day would have ROCm support?
CUDA is on literally everything NVIDIA so of course AMD will put ROCm on everything AMD.
Don’t think they would have ever realistically gone with Intel due to backward compatibility and stuff. They likely did it just for leverage to get a better deal from AMD. Microsoft did a similar thing.
Imagine the 3d V-Cache technology in a Playstation
I'll get excited about Microcenter's deals when the nearest store isn't a 14 hour round trip drive (assuming there are no traffic hiccups).
If amd can create a unified memory where Ram can be used as vram just like Mac it would be a killer deal for AI developer. Imagine 128 GB memory for running LLM.
Nvidia hasn't stopped putting their hardware into consoles as the Swithc 2 is going to utilize a Tegra chip
Radeon was already getting access to ROCM. Its still way more complicated to work with. They need to make it easier and get software companies and websites to offer support.
There's no MC in Oceana
Cloud computing only works with reliable internet. During conflict cables and satellites are targeting making the remaining resources focused on essential transmissions vs cloud 'gaming'.
The 7600x3d may be eventually available on ebay type sites but still people will think they can charge exorbitant prices for them.
Pretty sure mindfactory has international shipping. There'll be tarif outside of the EU, but it should still be available internationally.
AMD needs an API called SOCM.
Then people can may AMD AI driven ROCm SOCm robots!
back where amd started to be able to compet against intel again in the ryzen starter times, i switched to AMD cause why not and got 3600X since than im buying AMD .. 5900X and soon 9800X3D .. fak INTEL, fak NVIDIA these scamming hobos .. team RED baby
Amd is really putting the clamps on
I'd be very funny if microsoft and intel partner up for the next gen for xbox while sony and amd are developing the ps6
If people want to charge the same price for the gddr6 and gddr6x that's fine but they should have to put it on the label. Otherwise it's kind of false advertising.
NVIDIA has a bunch of new government contracts so I do not think they are worried about anything. The average person is of no concerned since they will get your money threw the government anyway..
I chuckled at the killing joke clip.
I AM SO GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT ROCK EM SUPPORT
If it was 2022 they probably had also developement concerns. Intel gpu showed up something but still hard to guess what they can do especially in apu configs
You can't overclock Intel 14th Gen without risking it.
who is overclocking thesw days lol
Can't even run it on stock without risking it lol
@@POLARTTYRTM you can pay more for k models.....
@@thepro08 I don't know if you read but we're talking about overclocking.
It’s hard to imagine that Intel was possibly going to get their chip into a Console
The worst thing about intel falling off so much is now their fanboys are gunna start buying amd cpu and raise demand which ultimately raises the prices. Like btc miners raising the prices on gpu.
Manufacturers do not lose money on console sales, plain and simple. This is a long running myth made almost exclusively from the manufacturers themselves. There is nothing material to conclude that manufacturers take a loss on selling consoles since there is no reason to believe that individual buyers would make up the perceived difference in cost to produce consoles by buying software considering that software publishers also keep talking about the cost of developing software to sell. It's legitimate to assume a console buyer could just as easily use a console to play free-to-play games and software utilities without any further transactions or revenue going to manufacturers as opposed to any other buying habit. Manufacturers have to make money where they can, as soon as they can to show to investors their stability and growth within a market. Selling consoles under the cost to produce reflects negatively on that effort.
Ij just want AMD to have a way to run CUDA workloads lol.
Why are people thinking that STRIX HALO will be as powerful as a 7600? Hello? How will the heat be dissipated in laptop form?
Serbia mentioned 💪💪💪
As long as ISP's cap our data rates, cloud gaming will never take off. It's complete BS that they impose these limits on something that doesn't have a limit in and of itself. I stream tons of videos and do some torrenting and if I didn't pay to remove the data cap then I'd 'owe' the ISP easily triple what it costs to remove the cap. Like, chill Mr. CEO. There's plenty of internet left for the other people out there.
Most of us are hoping for the nvidia intel moment when they crumble due to their greed.
fact is intel wouldn't do it as cheap as AMD that is reported facts
ROCM is a huge deal if its properly supported on windows by torch and other industry standard machine learning libraries.
Thought China was sanctioned from getting high end electronics....
The new 4070 "difference" exists only at 4k and 2k in one game, which is only 10%. It doesn't really matter.
it is still a cut-down product and should not be sold at the same or even higher prices as it is with some models in my country, scummy move, no matter how big or small the difference is
Don't forget that leading up to the first Zen architecture launch, AMD sustained itself with those console contracts. They don't make for huge profits, but they are income, and under Lisa Hsu's leadership they enabled AMD to launch Zen, migrate to TSMC, spin off Global Foundries, draw market share off of Intel in huge chunks, improve its GPUs to competitiveness, AND buy Xilinx.
"Believe it or not AMD and Intel were the final two in that bidding process" Why would that be hard to believe? What other chip makers are interested in gaming? The push for x86 in the console market means the only two likely considerations are Intel and AMD. Other companies like Qualcomm would move them away from x86 and with Sony and MS trying to hit both PC and console markets moving away from x86 makes no sense.
If you have already an AM4 Board consider to upgrade to an 5700X3D if you have no X3D chip already and dont plan to buy an 4090 .. , AM4 X3D is still not that much behind AM5 X3D ( maybe 10 to 20 % , depending on the Game ) and mostly its the high FPS = 400-500 FPS where it falls behind because of the lower clock speeds . The 5700X3D should be aviable for 180-200 USD
True. This is my plan. But I need good MOBO. Can you recommend good model?
ahhh ... Micro Center ... will be nice, but the closest one is around 6500km in the air ... and google maps not even give me a bike route for that...
Today on AMD copium channel: Nvidia is bad!
Nvidia is in the switch, Wii, and WiiU, and is going to be in the Switch 2.
Dude needs to talk to Ricky Bobby,.. he has zero idea what to do with his hands. AMD WON !!!... dude, no one wants to contract console shit. No one but amd. What a W. Good thing this dude doesn't run any business with more than him and his cat relying on a week to week pay check.
In Serbia, really? The Little Russia? Sorry AMD but that is a highly controversial decision ....
I stick with AMD , people need more awareness.
It's a new GPU and probably the prices is related to that and stock, and people wanting it. If no one buys, it will go down, if it doesn't, people are ok with it. This is not relevant.
Somebody needs to get onto an Intel/ Nvidia contract. Microsoft maybe. It would spark further competition and be good for the industry as a whole. It honestly surprises me Microsoft hasn't been using Intel the entire time, being an American company and supporting another American company. It was...interesting when MS and Sony used IBM and was good for IBM too.
AMD is an American company?
Okay he doesn't say the full extend of why they lose the contract. Intel basically want to charge more for each chip. Looks at PS5 pro with that atrocious price. You think next gen isn't gonna cost 1k USD with Intel? Also backward compatibility are a thing. Even Qualcomm loses that contract, the only reason why Intel are still a consideration until the last 2 are because x86 and Gpu similar to AMD. Intel is using AMD GPU IP. But using Intel means whatever you optimized game for PS5 pro will be ruined and causes Sony/dev to reprogram games for ps6. A handheld ecosystem with backwards compatibility means Sony are kinda a bit hard lock to AMD.
cloud gaming is an industry, but it kinda just cant take over. you need machines that give users $3000 dollar mark gaming pc performance. meaning you're using top sku sever hardware. 1 rack with just a single unit installed is gonna be $60k-$80. You'd need millions of these machines to host to billions of users. its just not possible to loan that much out just for cloud gaming.
I think they're convinced on 3D v cache
Nvidia is not a monopoly
The network is too slow to go to centralized gaming. You need the computing power for the UI/graphics on the end user device
I bet that if intel gives up on the playstation bet, and amd the only one that would design the chips, amd is going to increase the price. I think people must be grateful that there is still competition. Because if amd wants to make money out of it, the plastation could get at least 100 dollars/euros more expensive
Amd has to work on software side more optimization, drivers, FSR advancement.
4:45 for 1440p 37 fps with a rtx 4070? in germany you would say: das ja mal komplett gottlos. and thats not a compliment.
Yeah they flipped the script, 7800x3d went from ~$370. to $600. in a few days lol
I hope Intel makes a comeback, AMD needs a reality check.
I wonder if the price hike is due to "supply & demand".
Noone with any clue to building (assembling) a PC should be looking at Intel's 13/14 gen chips. That goes double for professional workstations as long before the chip has fried itself and starts crashing, it is also likely to have been producing errors in your data for weeks/months before hand.
I put together a new PC for my sister two weeks back, she is not a gamer and I didn't even suggest a dedicated GPU. I built the new system with a Ryzen 7600(no-X).
The supplier asked me to write a review yesterday and I just happened to look at the current pricing while doing it. They have no 7600X in stock just a 'pre-order' button in place, but the 7600's are not only out of stock but they are not currently taking any pre-orders.
It makes me wonder if the 9000's were priced high just to flush out the stock of 7000's, some of them like the 7900X is currently £10 cheaper than the 7900(non-X). In a way that actually makes more sense as the 7900 comes with an AMD heat-sink, the X version is just the chip so it costs less to manufacture and ship. Even without buying a bigger/better heat sink the 7900 can reach speeds so close to the X version you could not tell without bechmarking them.
I built my latest PC with a 7900 back in June (assuming the 9000's would be more expensive with the non-X versions being at least another 6 months behind), Setting the PBO to 85C with -20mv has this CPU running at 120W max and all core speed of 4.5+GHz for hours running two handbrake jobs at once. The peak speed is 5.2GHz as I have not changed to max limit, I am also using the AMD Wraith Prism that it came with.
I am very happy with this system, I can now process Blue-ray movies as fast as my old Ryzen 2700 could do DVD's. With Blue-ray's costing from nothing to only a few pennies more than the DVD's I will likely buy more than I used to. There's still the down side of using 2-3 times the disk space so TV boxsets will remain DVD (I'm in the UK and our PAL DVD's are a bit better then the NTSC versions, as they have a 20% higher line count. 576 vs 480).
I do play a lot of games on this PC but my GPU is a RX6700XT that I purchased a year before, so that GPU has gone from waiting for the 2700, to being the bottleneck. I only game at 1080 and don't play any online twitch shooters, mainly as I got bored with that back in the early 2000's playing LAN matches, but secondly even back then at ~40 my reactions were getting noticeably slower than the 20-30 year olds. Now at 60+ usually with a beer close at hand I'd be waisting my time :)
who raised prices? AMD or greedy sellers?
@@GreyDeathVaccine Since the price went up across multiple vendors I'd suspect the msrp was raised by AMD since there is no competition at the moment.
its clearly being raised so that when the 9800x3d is finally on market its msrp will most likely be over the $500 usa price bracket it wont be in the price range of the $400 ish 7800x3d , they deliberated raised the price on from $320 ish to over $400 just for this reason in my opion so the 9000 x3d wwont be losing out sales to the 7000 series x3d stuff when the 9000x3d is released at higher prices
Imagine having to worry about your PS intel CPU degrading 😆 .... Would be one of Sony's bigger mistakes
i really hate microcenter 😡 mainly because of the 7600x3d and the fact i live in the UK 😭😂
its a good job intel didnt get in to the ps6 after all there chip dieing ,,,,lol
I am not a fan of Micro Center as the closest store is over 100 miles from me and they do not Ship. I have also found that even if I travel to buy all needed from my research some of the parts they don't even carry.
Love your vids, ive been watching you since you had like 2k subs! still the same person and the same content, really enjoyable and straight forward
At first I thought you said Siberia
4:07 Below - you have funny way of saying this.
There are not enough laptop makers with amd apus and there are only 2 diferent models. As for Intel new apus every laptop maker has more than one model.
Nvidea hardware has way more performance than AMD the only way AMD will get market share is if nvidia struggles to meet demands and customers don't want to wait.
It's partly AMD fault. Intel do have engineer to help OEM design laptop and such for them. This is the reason AMD with strix Halo only have few design but lunarlake have over 80.
Nvidia buying any Intel fabs?
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who cares about a playstation, thought this was a PC video about AMD, but since this seems to be console related I'm leaving sorry bud!
Very intriguing for sure.
The APU's i cant wait for it i need it for AI and video and rendering and a lil bit for gaming at linux :D
You think Consoles don't make $? they must cost like $100-$200 tops, to make, the rest are parts, and they cost $500+, that's 150%+ profit, they sell many millions Worldwide, PS5 is like luxury commodity, everyone wants 1, it's $Billion$ in sales, are you insane? NGreedia is going for Greed and securing that Greed, so they can make 1,000x the money of Consoles, and even PC GPUs is optional for them, and Consoles isn't from their perspective cost-efficient and is a small business, not a bad 1. For AMD is exactly the opposite, is a good profitable business, that helps them keeping the rest of research alive.
Go 🇷🇸AMD👍
Who cares about ROCm? It's Pathetic. It's a complete nightmare to set up. AMD have Zero incentive for customers to buy AMD when it comes to AI. All the guides are out of date and a 7900xtx is worse than a 3060 12G. I bought a brick that I can't get a refund on.
Lets go AMD🔥
I think AMD has been in Consoles for years now, PS2 had the Cell Chip but it's been AMDs Specialized APUs that have ruled the Consoles war for a while
well we all know that intel onboard graphics suck balls so that's why its not really a feature in their cpu's, No wonder why intel lost. Intel graphic cards also suck ass so its no wonder why the ps5 pro is using amd and the 6 will be using it too because intel really has nothing going for them. They got overpriced cpu's, they aren't making any good gpu's so what good are they.
AMD new CPU is crap people staying with 7750 not worth upgrade!
God I'm so glad I unsubscribed from this clickbaiting grifter sifting through old hardware news. Every now and then youtube recommends one, I give it a try, click through the stories and it's such a waste of time.
I only watch it for the news since I'm only reading from wccftech and videocardz at work. At home I'm just watching his or ufdtech for news