I really like the timeline and visuals. I think you've convinced me on the pre-millennialism view! Time will tell........for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
Hi Seth, I really appreciate your comparative videos on the millennium! As a hardcore Amil, I'm seriously reconsidering Historic Premil. Do you think that the seeming one resurrection of the righteous and the wicked in Matthew 25 is biblical telescoping? Also, The final revolt in Rev. 20 seems like the wicked far outnumber the believers (glorified and mortal). Does that fit into your Premil understanding? Thanks!
Hi again Perry! Hope you're doing well. I definitely think Jesus is employing some prophetic telescoping in Matthew 25 with the Second Coming and the Final Judgment in verses 31-32. With the hindsight of Revelation 20, which would have been written after Matthew, I believe those two events will be separated by a thousand years. And yes, I do believe the wicked will grow to outnumber the glorified believers throughout the duration of the Millennium. That's probably because they will continue having children and multiplying, whereas the population of glorified believers will remain static the entire time. It's a difficult scenario to conceptualize now, but I sort of chalk it up as one of those things that will make more sense once we get there. I'm delighted that you're reconsidering Historic Premil! Let me know if you ever convert, haha. Blessings
@@theologywithseth Thanks! I do have a hard time reconciling Isaiah 9:7 with an increasingly unbelieving populace during the Millennium. "There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace on the throne of David and his kingdom, to establish it and uphold it with justice and righteousness FROM THEN ON AND FOREVERMORE." Have you ever read anything by David Wilcoxson on the Historist view of Revelation? I've found it quite compelling. He's Premil, but the chronologic correlations between Revelation and Church history are impressive. Blessings to you! I really appreciate your work!
Another reason why the Millennium is probably in the future is because John already has a symbolic time period representing the Church Age and that's the "42 months" mentioned throughout the book of Revelation. So if he wanted to communicate that the reign of Christ was taking place now, he could have just used the 42 months again. The fact that he employs a much different number- "A Thousand Years"- indicates that it's meant to be understood as a different time period than the Church Age.
That's a very astute observation! Not everyone believes the 42 months represents the Church Age, but for those who do, that should definitely be a point worth considering. Thank you for sharing!
very compelling arguments. I do believe though that a lot of revelation has been fulfilled. also the prophecy of Isaiah, "the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" was fulfilled when christianity was established in Rome, the city of the wolf. the other passages of Isaiah were also allegories. also, Micah 3:12 was fulfilled when Hadrian turned Jerusalem into aelia capitoIina by Tineius Rufus in 131 AD (roman coins were minted to this effect). I am also of the opinion, based on internal evidence of John and revelations, that the entire New Testament was completed not later than the death of Nero on June 9, 68 AD. not everything in revelation was fulfilled yet but it was primarily a prophecy against the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. we can deduce that John was probably written shortly after the great fire of rome in 64 and revelation was the expanded olivet discourse of John, separated into its own book, and finished before the end of 67 AD. all the other books of the New Testament were written prior to the fire of 64 AD. although a lot of revelation has been fulfilled, with the beast in particular to be Nero, and the prince to be Titus, a lot more of the prophecies remain to be fulfilled as you point out. God is not prone to too much abstraction, rather He is more prone to the literal meaning, like Isaiah 53 or Zechariah and the psalms regarding the crucifixion of Jesus, as well as the other messianic prophecies - they were quite literal.
Thank you for sharing! I think there is a lot of merit in the partial preterist approach to Revelation and the Olivet Discourse, though I slightly favor a futurist/idealist interpretation. Of course, given God's propensity to grant double-fulfillments of prophecies along with various types and shadows throughout history, maybe there isn't as much conflict between the two schools of thought as some people think. God bless you!
@@theologywithseth yes prophecy have dual uses and meaning it seems. What i would like to know, which nobody has yet clearly pointed out, or at least I haven’t seen yet, is the fulfillment of the 70 weeks of daniel. Daniel was fulfilled by the coming of the messiah to prophecy about his death and resurrection. We know from astronomy that the crucifixion occurred on 14 nisan, april 3, 33 AD and he died at 3-3:05 pm jerusalem time. What i wanted to find out was the fitting of history to the 490 years since daniel. God’s timing is mathematically precise. It’s not a coincidence that temple sacrifices and the temple priesthood had its last gasp and complete elimination with the capture of masada on passover 73 AD, exactly 40 years since the crucifixion. Daniel foretold the coming of the messiah the first time. Revelation foretells the second coming
I've always felt that prophecies weren't warnings to interpret and know, but as Gods divine way of speaking a promise only to maintain the faith of believers in that time of distress. God knew the details of Isaiah wouldn't convince or be evidence for anyone. But it did act as a source of confidence for Christians later on
Thank you for sharing! I think I could see that being more of a *both/and* rather than an either/or. Certainly the prophecies in the Bible are meant to maintain faith of believers in times of distress, but they also contain various warnings about future events with the aim that people repent and turn back to the Lord. Even Isaiah begins with a warning and call to repentance with God saying, “Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land; but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be eaten by the sword" (Isaiah 1:18-20) And of course we can't forget that Isaiah 53 contains one of the most convincing evidences of Jesus's Messiahship in the whole Bible! So while I agree we shouldn't get too hung up on every minute detail, we shouldn't shy away from deeply studying prophecy to understand what God intends to do in the future both for His people and for His glory. God bless you!
Hey! How can you explain the all the other verses of the Bible about Jesus second coming like peter when says when Jesus come's the earth and the sky will melt and paul vaguely mentionz that we will meet the lord in the air and so we will ever be with the lord its seems like a SDA explained version of the premillennialism what do you think? FYI I'm not an SDA
I believe in a premillennianism but with a reign of Christ in heaven with the Saints, to support my view, John 14:3 suggesting Jesus is preparing places in heaven location for the saints where he will take them, the verse doesn’t suggest the place is prepared on earth, the places are where he is going and, according to the scriptures he went to heaven. So the places must be in heaven. He will come to take the church to these places, in heaven. There Christ will reign with the saints judging all creation. In this place the new Jerusalem. But during the millennium, life will continue on earth, cataclysmic event will probably take place to create a new earth and new heavens or astral formations. After the thousand years, Rev 20, and then 21 New Jerusalem coming down to earth once terraformation of earth is completed. With all the saints coming back to earth with God almighty among them starting the Eternal state after the annihilation of evil.
That's a great question! Matthew 25:31 says, “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne." When it talks about Jesus sitting on his throne, I would understand that as an abbreviated reference to his Millennial Reign. After that, the Final Judgment occurs, which is the main subject of the rest of the passage. I hope that helps!
I really like the timeline and visuals. I think you've convinced me on the pre-millennialism view! Time will tell........for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Hi Seth, I really appreciate your comparative videos on the millennium! As a hardcore Amil, I'm seriously reconsidering Historic Premil. Do you think that the seeming one resurrection of the righteous and the wicked in Matthew 25 is biblical telescoping? Also, The final revolt in Rev. 20 seems like the wicked far outnumber the believers (glorified and mortal). Does that fit into your Premil understanding? Thanks!
Hi again Perry! Hope you're doing well. I definitely think Jesus is employing some prophetic telescoping in Matthew 25 with the Second Coming and the Final Judgment in verses 31-32. With the hindsight of Revelation 20, which would have been written after Matthew, I believe those two events will be separated by a thousand years.
And yes, I do believe the wicked will grow to outnumber the glorified believers throughout the duration of the Millennium. That's probably because they will continue having children and multiplying, whereas the population of glorified believers will remain static the entire time.
It's a difficult scenario to conceptualize now, but I sort of chalk it up as one of those things that will make more sense once we get there. I'm delighted that you're reconsidering Historic Premil! Let me know if you ever convert, haha. Blessings
@@theologywithseth Thanks! I do have a hard time reconciling Isaiah 9:7 with an increasingly unbelieving populace during the Millennium. "There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace on the throne of David and his kingdom, to establish it and uphold it with justice and righteousness FROM THEN ON AND FOREVERMORE."
Have you ever read anything by David Wilcoxson on the Historist view of Revelation? I've found it quite compelling. He's Premil, but the chronologic correlations between Revelation and Church history are impressive. Blessings to you! I really appreciate your work!
Another reason why the Millennium is probably in the future is because John already has a symbolic time period representing the Church Age and that's the "42 months" mentioned throughout the book of Revelation. So if he wanted to communicate that the reign of Christ was taking place now, he could have just used the 42 months again. The fact that he employs a much different number- "A Thousand Years"- indicates that it's meant to be understood as a different time period than the Church Age.
That's a very astute observation! Not everyone believes the 42 months represents the Church Age, but for those who do, that should definitely be a point worth considering. Thank you for sharing!
very compelling arguments. I do believe though that a lot of revelation has been fulfilled. also the prophecy of Isaiah, "the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" was fulfilled when christianity was established in Rome, the city of the wolf. the other passages of Isaiah were also allegories. also, Micah 3:12 was fulfilled when Hadrian turned Jerusalem into aelia capitoIina by Tineius Rufus in 131 AD (roman coins were minted to this effect). I am also of the opinion, based on internal evidence of John and revelations, that the entire New Testament was completed not later than the death of Nero on June 9, 68 AD. not everything in revelation was fulfilled yet but it was primarily a prophecy against the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. we can deduce that John was probably written shortly after the great fire of rome in 64 and revelation was the expanded olivet discourse of John, separated into its own book, and finished before the end of 67 AD. all the other books of the New Testament were written prior to the fire of 64 AD.
although a lot of revelation has been fulfilled, with the beast in particular to be Nero, and the prince to be Titus, a lot more of the prophecies remain to be fulfilled as you point out. God is not prone to too much abstraction, rather He is more prone to the literal meaning, like Isaiah 53 or Zechariah and the psalms regarding the crucifixion of Jesus, as well as the other messianic prophecies - they were quite literal.
Thank you for sharing! I think there is a lot of merit in the partial preterist approach to Revelation and the Olivet Discourse, though I slightly favor a futurist/idealist interpretation. Of course, given God's propensity to grant double-fulfillments of prophecies along with various types and shadows throughout history, maybe there isn't as much conflict between the two schools of thought as some people think. God bless you!
@@theologywithseth yes prophecy have dual uses and meaning it seems. What i would like to know, which nobody has yet clearly pointed out, or at least I haven’t seen yet, is the fulfillment of the 70 weeks of daniel. Daniel was fulfilled by the coming of the messiah to prophecy about his death and resurrection. We know from astronomy that the crucifixion occurred on 14 nisan, april 3, 33 AD and he died at 3-3:05 pm jerusalem time. What i wanted to find out was the fitting of history to the 490 years since daniel. God’s timing is mathematically precise. It’s not a coincidence that temple sacrifices and the temple priesthood had its last gasp and complete elimination with the capture of masada on passover 73 AD, exactly 40 years since the crucifixion. Daniel foretold the coming of the messiah the first time. Revelation foretells the second coming
I've always felt that prophecies weren't warnings to interpret and know, but as Gods divine way of speaking a promise only to maintain the faith of believers in that time of distress.
God knew the details of Isaiah wouldn't convince or be evidence for anyone. But it did act as a source of confidence for Christians later on
Thank you for sharing! I think I could see that being more of a *both/and* rather than an either/or. Certainly the prophecies in the Bible are meant to maintain faith of believers in times of distress, but they also contain various warnings about future events with the aim that people repent and turn back to the Lord. Even Isaiah begins with a warning and call to repentance with God saying,
“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land; but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be eaten by the sword" (Isaiah 1:18-20)
And of course we can't forget that Isaiah 53 contains one of the most convincing evidences of Jesus's Messiahship in the whole Bible! So while I agree we shouldn't get too hung up on every minute detail, we shouldn't shy away from deeply studying prophecy to understand what God intends to do in the future both for His people and for His glory. God bless you!
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Hey! How can you explain the all the other verses of the Bible about Jesus second coming like peter when says when Jesus come's the earth and the sky will melt and paul vaguely mentionz that we will meet the lord in the air and so we will ever be with the lord its seems like a SDA explained version of the premillennialism what do you think? FYI I'm not an SDA
I believe in a premillennianism but with a reign of Christ in heaven with the Saints, to support my view, John 14:3 suggesting Jesus is preparing places in heaven location for the saints where he will take them, the verse doesn’t suggest the place is prepared on earth, the places are where he is going and, according to the scriptures he went to heaven. So the places must be in heaven. He will come to take the church to these places, in heaven.
There Christ will reign with the saints judging all creation. In this place the new Jerusalem. But during the millennium, life will continue on earth, cataclysmic event will probably take place to create a new earth and new heavens or astral formations. After the thousand years, Rev 20, and then 21
New Jerusalem coming down to earth once terraformation of earth is completed. With all the saints coming back to earth with God almighty among them starting the Eternal state after the annihilation of evil.
What about Matthew 25?
Hi friend! What specifically was your question about that passage?
@@theologywithseth How does the separation of the sheep and goats at His Second Coming fit in with a Millennial reign?
That's a great question! Matthew 25:31 says, “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne." When it talks about Jesus sitting on his throne, I would understand that as an abbreviated reference to his Millennial Reign. After that, the Final Judgment occurs, which is the main subject of the rest of the passage. I hope that helps!
@@pkcarv-cx7prAt the Great White Throne.
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Premill... with a post Mill rapture.
Mid tribulation second coming (we are only spared the final bowls of wrath), and then the milinial reign, and finally new Heaven and a new Earth.
@@dustinpowell6297 That does not show up in Revelation... but a post mill rapture does.
Hey David! Do you mean premill with a post-trip rapture? If so, that's what I believe! It's sometimes referred to as "Historic Premillennialism"
@@theologywithseth nah...post mill rapture. Simple.
Hmmm... I don't think I've heard of premill with a post mill rapture. I'd love to hear about it though if you care to share!