$2000 Brand New Dirt Bike...How Bad Could It Be?
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I’m starting to think he’s just buying more bikes to use his spark plug tester 😂
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It's just a toy isn't it. Hasn't solved one bike/atv mystery yet.
@@idahoduckhunter of course it solves a mystery. Obviously when plugs foul they begin to stop working sometimes completely but sometimes only under load or high rpms. Solve the mystery right there. I guess you can always change a plug with every repair but why do that. I'm sure the $50 device has paid for itself already in not having to replace a plug unnecessarily.
@@michaelesposito6678 I just haven't seen it solve any of Joe's issues yet.
Why is this channel relaxing? Is it because he doesn’t say “be sure to hit the like button, subscribe, and turn on notifications”. Or have sponsorship BS? Or have “guests”. Or making it about him? All that stuff likely.
Vinnie is the guests star 😀
Guess you’ve never watched all the way to the very end. He says that on every video
@@t-bone43 yeah I guess you’re right. He’s not irritating about it.
Been watching him for a few years now amazing how far his come
Yeah, that's why I call it my machine repair yoga. It relaxes me.
Run a small sheet metal screw down through the small hole ( on the idle mixture) - it will pop the cap right up. (Look at me telling *the man* how to do it) _Absolutely love the channel, I learn so much_
I guess most dirt bikes don’t have a plug, but many of my street bikes did.
Wife has a different pair of shoes for every day of the week.. Joe has a different bike for every day of the month! 😂
"...and this, my son, is a factory-spec POS...".
Thank you for taking the hit for us, 2V. 😅
LOL!😁
Guy at work bought a very similar 250cc Chinese bike except it has lights and blinkers making it street legal. Think he told me he paid like 2k for it new in 2019-ish? He rides it to work pretty much every day, says he travels 25 miles to and from work and has had no real issues with the bike. I was just looking it the other day, he has almost 30k miles on it too. I think like you said, these things probably wouldn't take a true off road beating for long, but as a trail/street bike they seem fairly capable.
30K miles and using as a commuter bike 25 miles each way. It's probably paid for itself in fuel ⛽ & car/truck maintenance savings.
He probably takes good care of it too.
@@michaelbrinks8089 Absolutely.
Made for small people by small people.
Gotta be able to work on these
Little trick to the plastic welder, if you just slightly twist once the medal goes in it will bite into the plastic and hold really well.
Famous words of a seller, It was running when I parked it.😂😂😂
After the engine blew out it was parked...😜
It was running the last time it was running, I swear!!
Gotta love the guys who say "how easy" it will be to get running. Well, if it's so easy, why doesn't HE get it running, THEN sell it
Every single time 😂
Also, the famous question of the buyer " Was it running when you parked it?"😜
Joe must have bought everything within a 4 hour radius at this point so he’s down to snagging Chinese cheapo’s. Keep the content coming!
i think he dry for deals....
cause them apolo are cheap, fun yes but quality hell no
Man I bought 2 apollo rxf 150 dirt bikes and I had no problem with them at all! Hard to get little parts like bolts and faring parts, but the motor is rock solid. My son in law did a ride at sam houston national forest with us, I was on a 23 beta 200 and our other buddy was on a Honda cfr 250 and it kept up with us for 20 miles thru sandy trails. We had a blast!
For the money? Yea great beginner bikes!
the chinese bikes get a bad rap but theyre fine. ive had a few and had nothing but fun. no issues out of any of them neither. the price is excellent and gets people outside enjoying a new hobby for cheap. whats there not to like. the best cheap fun anyone could have period! id easily buy another one too np. im back in the market currently and looking for a dual sport.
Ah, Great to see one of these come through your garage lol! There is a pretty decent following/modding community for the cheap chinese bikes. The Oil Line you were mentioning is a EGR line. Best to delete, block off those and rejet the carb. One of the cheap things that make the bike run much better. The highest mileage I've seen recorded (online forums) with one of the CG250 engines has hit 60,000 miles before a complete frame strip down, engine out rebuild. Full disclosure, I decided to rebuild mine at 5k miles with a "bigbore" kit. I know that this the OHC version of the CG so not sure how reliable they are. These bikes are great for learning mechanical skills, relatively simple and it will need attention.
Big bore kits are a waste of time, money and are often lower quality than the original cylinder on a 4 stroke, I'm surprised people are still doing this these days. The breathing of the bike doesn't change so it's a bigger bore with restricted air flow in the head so no gain worth even mentioning. Bigger engine/bike is the only way. Done this many moons ago. There was absolutely no difference in power or torque. Anything anyone 'feels' is a placebo. Blocking off the EGR is also a waste of time btw.
@@TH-camSupportTeamsfirst of all why is your name that?😂 and yea sure on a 4 stroke you are restricted by the size of the valves in a sense. But a bigger bore will create more vacuum on the bdc stroke thus being able to pull more air in so yes it will make more power but not like a 2 stroke big bore can. Once you open up the ports you really start to gain power. My buddy has a 600cc skidoo motor (makes around 150hp stock) that was sent out to a reputable company, they mod the cases to accept 800cc jugs and pistons and then port the cylnders rework the head and give you a set of twin pipes. Makes over 220hp. Out of a 800cc. That is nuts.
He doesn't know how to jet bikes.
@@re9947 He knows how, I've seen him looking at jetting table specs for 2 strokes.
@@TH-camSupportTeams I didn't state my full spec list. My head is ported, valves lapped/ground and flow benched from Motocult with a 30MM Nibbi carb and free flowing exhaust. Blocking off the EGR made my jetting requirement change. It caused a lean condition with the pilot jet after blocking it off. Think about it. Blocking off the EGR means more oxygen and no inert gas. More fuel is required. Doing the mods without the proper fueling will make it run worse that if it were left stock. You should have figured this out in your "many moons."
I have a 21 tbr7 tao tao. Same engine on all these chinese 250's. They come jetted lean for import emissions. Change the jets to a 38 - 110 and she'll be happy and run way better. Same as another guy said, delete the egr "system". Best is a carb swap but the jetting change will do the job if that carb works.
That bike is very quiet and for $850 not to bad. There's really not much you could find for that price in running condition. I'd keep it as a back up bike for that friend that doesn't have a bike. Love the content. Looking forward to next video
When you’re cleaning out the needle seat, try using a q-tip with some valve lapping compound, I’m a small engine mechanic and we do it all the time, works great!
My friend bought a daul sport from a dealership. The Chinese carb is the weakest link .followed by the fuel & vacuum lines. Keihin carb would be my recommendation & use ethanol free fuel. Thanks for another great vid Joe 🎬🔧🔥🔥🫡. Safe travels & happy holiday everyone 👍
Nibbi carb is what everyone is using they are good quality
@@carbonEYE007Nibbi makes great carbs 💯👌
Who else just immediately hits the "like" button before even starting the video??? 😂😂👍🏼👍🏼
At 31:16 I suggest you put an appropriately sized drill bit on your drill into the brass seat and put your drill in reverse at full speed and just tap it on the seating surface. It grinds it down just a little bit. that has worked great for me
Joe, I am also a TH-camr and a fan of your channel. Keep up the great work. I have two doctorates and am trying to learn how to repair bikes and other motorized vehicles. You are a fine teacher.
Joe, I appreciate the thoroughness of your videos… even a seasoned mechanic like myself has learned a lot of troubleshooting skills from your videos. Sometimes I wonder why you don’t just go straight to starting fluid or a squirt of fuel in the spark plug hole and then I remind myself you are a teacher… teaching the correct way to diagnose. I wonder how many thousands you have helped with your videos. You keep putting out the videos and I’ll keep watching… nice work sir! 🫡💯👏🏻
He wouldn't touch anything of mine. Peace...
I hate his cocky little laugh, like he's the FN authority...
He is a hack
Ol' Joe loves his dirtbikes. Good looking cycle, now let's tear it apart! Thank you, lots of learning moments
The shrouds are wide because it's not an efficient engine and they need more air to keep it cool.
I stumbled on your channel about three weeks ago and have been binge watching ever since. Your content is excellent and you sure know your machines. Great job!
For future reference, when you drill out your air fuel, just drill out the plug with a small drill bit, then use a small screw to thread into the brass plug, then pull out with a pair of pliers, it’s easy and you won’t risk damage to the carb
I have been absolutely addicted to this channel since I found it a few weeks ago. It motivated me to do some upgrades to my bike. Does anyone know what he does with the bikes? Just wondering if this is his full-time job? Edit: I'm sure he edits the videos, but I've never seen bike work go so smoothly. I get aggravated trying to put plastic back on, this guy breaks apart a transmission like it's nothing. He is a beast of a mechanic.
Good learning points on a simple 2 Valve thumper. I'll stay with my 40yr XR Honda THX 🇦🇺
Drill a small hole in the air screw plug then use a small self tapping screw. Then you can grab the screw to pull the plug out.. I was cringing while you drilled it LOL
I have a 1 year old and the slight sound of the background crying had me think I was losing it lol great work joe
Something fell off the bike when you 1st took off
that's normal for these lmao
@@TrippyWheelz 😄
I think it was a gopro
i noticed that too was at like 42:07 you can see if fall off, it looked like a glove to me, and when he rode back he just went right past it, wondering if he noticed. @2vintage
It’s ok the piston will probably fall out pretty soon too, temu just doesn’t build bikes like they used to
The first thing most people do is replace that factory carb on those bikes
So they buy a clone carb to replace the clone carb??
What do you replace it with ? Mikuni? keihin? or another chinese junk carb?
@@Ajaxaxxess A real Mikuni would cost about what a new motor on ebay would.
Get a nibbi pe 30 u should be golden
@@dublindave5795 I know hence the question DS
The Bob Ross of motorcycle mechanics.
What you need Joe is a Gun cleaning kit ,and an Airbrush cleaning kit ,both kit's will be excellent for cleaning Carb ports ,Jets
Interesting, that would work, having worked in dentistry for years was thinking denture cleaning brushes
Great video. Wouldn't be bad for tooling around on the hunting property but, only if I could get it for the price you did. Lol.
I keep bread twister ties around just for cleaning carb jets. Once you get it through, put a couple kinks in it with your thumbnail. Work it back and forth. Works great.
my Hawk 250 first thing it need was new carb to make it run. then new tires and chain and new AGM battery. they all need new carbs. also i had to cut the front exhaust pipe to remove the catalytic converter. it will melt things. its packed in way to tight for exhaust to pass through.
I have a 2020 Brozz 250 with carb. It came with a Keihn carb. I changed the jets when it was new to richen it up. They come way too lean. Currently have 6,500 trouble free miles. I don't have any experience with Apollo. The valves are usually off on these bikes and should be checked.
A Mikuni VM26 will do wonders for it. More reliability and inability is needed from a carb than the stock carb can provide.
And after all that expensive modification it's still crap and dangerously unsafe
. No more dangerous than any other bike.
2 vintage I knew you was going to get it to start I that wasn't even a challenge for you
Love the channel buddy,great knowledge you have,this guy should be a mechanic for a motocross team,,but it's crazy how people won't take the time to try and fix something, ya maybe they don't know how to work on quads/motorcycles but alot of fixes are sometimes pretty easy, but none the less awesome channel!
Agree, he should have his own shop and/or work on a support team for a motocross or ATV team. Also thought he could be teaching
Glad to see you on the China bike struggle bus. I bought a replacement carb on Amazon for $28 for my daughter’s quad. It has removable float bowl and metal slide instead of plastic. It runs night and day difference.
23:19 I would replace the studs with bolts.
That looked like the main problem with removing it from the top.
Your phone going off is like the smoke alarm beep in some other videos I've watched.
Happy Days Joe Has Posted 🔥🔥🔥
A tip for the First Person Shots, turn off Image Stabilisation and set the lens angle to it's max. If you want to go a step further buy a cheap set of ND filter (20$) for your action camera and look on a tutorial on how to set up the Iso, Shutter Speed and FPS
In China before shipping these bikes out to Amazon they use vegetable oil in the motor because it's cheap no joke .
$2,000 is what I paid for my BRAND NEW 1981 Yamaha 650XS Special OUT THE DOOR - tax, license, Dealer-prep, EVERYTHING. My Buddy Tommy wanted the 4-cyclinder 650 Maxim (more than I was willing to spend at that time). He ended up around $2600 - I couldn't justify it then, can't now - sure - it was A LOT smoother, but "I" didn't feel the vibrations (rubber isolated handlebars, Driver's footpegs, etc. (my future wife, however, didn't have the same appreciation for that motorcycle as I had) - we TRIED to "take a weekend trip" on it - she abandoned me for my buddy's car at about the 1 hour mark. FREEDOM - HE had to take care of her "wants" the rest of the weekend.
Tip to clean needle seat. Use toothpaste and qtip in drill to polish seat and clean needle.
Those front shrouds act like air brakes because that thing is so fast.lol. I had to say it. Looks like something off a airplane
Damn. Pretty cool that you graced that Chinese bike with your knowledge and experience. Kinda felt like it wasn’t worthy of a stand in your garage but you didn’t hate on it. Basic run through inspection for any manufacturer that comes in not running.
Use strands from a copper wire to clean out the jets. Less likely to elongate the jet hole. Its harder than most clogs too. Compressed air is your biggest friend for cleaning a carb.
The small little details you show is great ... very helpful... thanks
I bought one recently for 400 dollars all it needed was a carb clean but a little after riding it the rear sprocket destroyed the rear rim hub and had to replace the rear rim for it but other than that it’s been pretty good .
Tire chalk / stop installation in wheel will stop that inner tube from spinning while Is acceleration so valve stem won't tear. Or try loosening valve stem so it floats a little
Interesting, wanted to see one up close.
Is it just me, or does anyone else like to hear the sound of those carb bolts breaking loose?
Thank you, lots of learning moments. Tough knocking Chinese (or Mexico) made, as we once did japanese. They are set to become the world's largest vehicle manufacturers
I had a few similar bikes. They were GIO 250s, I got 3 for $1150 Canadian total. One was a 3/4 size frame with smaller wheels, one was a bit on the small side, with full sized wheels, and the other was a full sized bike. Two of them ran, the middle sized bike, I ALMOST got running, but gave up when I couldn't get the carb out (identical looking frame to the one you got. I suspect they probably all had the same base engine as your bike, but they were several years older. They are good bikes for what they are - cheap trail bikes for someone who isn't doing anything too serious - and a buddy bike you can loan out to someone who wants to ride with you, without worrying that they might ruin your much more expensive Japanese or European bike.
Careful of those wheels though - the 3/4 bike, my dad and I actually bought for my sister. She had lots of fun on it until on one ride, the front wheel dipped in a rut, got grabbed, and twisted the handlebars from her grip. The wheel bent, and flipped the bike on her. I still think the wheels on a Japanese bike would have held up, and cut loose from the rut. To put it in perspective, a replacement rim, complete with tube and rubber, before it was discontinued, was $107 Canadian - they are junk wheels.
As much carb work as you do, and all the other tools you have, buy yourself a welding torch tip cleaner. It has a good selection of small wire tip cleaners that would be ideal for what you do.
I have the 2023 tbr7 tao tao 250 chonda.chinses Honda Enduro. On off road just hit 600 miles did oil change and adjusted valves..runs great street legal.there $1,499.delivered.lol.the nice thing is replace parts with Honda 250 same yr.i already put a Honda carb on it and the mods for it is awsome crazy.idk I'm just having fun with this cheap bike.😂😂😂😂
Hey Joe, I've been a two-stroke guy for about 40 years so I don't have any experience working on 4 stroke bikes.
You mentioned that the intake valves typically tighten up before the exhaust valves. Why is that ?
Just a suggestion, a welder tip cleaner works great for cleaning out jets . They are cheap and would probably
last forever just using it for carb work.
It was interesting seeing a review on one of these bikes. ...
It's definitely no ball of fire but it does start easy and runs good for what it is. I agree, it would be alright for a
beginner on a budget if they could buy one for what you paid for it, and they didn't beat on it hard.
I think a person would be better off saving a little more money, and buying a nice used older bike from the
big 4 makers. Besides, bikes from the big 4 will always have some value. After this thing is used for a
couple more years, it will basically be a disposable bike.
i bought a bike with the same engine that is "mid-size"(something between the small dirt bikes and full sized ones) for around 450$, it is really fun to ride as it is so light yet has so much torque, though it can't keep up with bigger 250s in the forest and i get stuck on a lot of things easily, it works better on trails and gravel road.
Nice!!! I was starting to get worried about my Sunday morning joe ☕️ with Joe!!! Let's gooooooooooooo!!!! 🏍️
The guy working at the sheet-metal business next to my unit bought one a few days ago. Similar price, but in as new condition. It really is a decent buke for the money. China is finally cadmium plating their bolts and fittings. Quality seems much better than the last generation and look at the quality welding too!
The thing he came unstuck with is the OE tyres. He stupidly rode it on the highway to work. Rainy day and a woman pulled out on him. Now his bike looks identical to this one. Same side damage, easily fixed.
Plus a dented front wheel rim...
He straightened the rim and is waiting for his next accident. Honestly, stay off the roads, the police will crush your bike here in the UK and you will be banned from driving for 12 months. Plus NO INSURANCE company will touch you when you tell them why you were banned. Insurance companies hate risk-takers.
However, being a motorcyclist for 45 years, these 250 trail bikes seem a real bargain when bought nearly new. Just spend 30 minutes really, really checking it over and swap those tyres over to decent Michelins if you simply must ride on the highways.
Let us know when you fall off if you don't. This is aimed at the general buyer and not the poster.
Nice video, with a perfect fault-finding lesson. Just in the wrong order :-). But I do realise it covered nearly Every Aspect of making a bike run. Also, never use steel wire to poke through brass carb jets. Luckily, these bikes come with very lean settings, so you got away without making the air/fuel ratio over-rich. A really well fimed and edited video. Well done.
I'd check the cylinder for the cc.
The 250 sticker on it means nothing.
Most of the Chinese bikes are mislabeled as far as engine capacity.
Also the first time I've seen someone use sandpaper to clean the float valve seat.
I wouldn't use anything more aggressive than an industrial Qtip (has a wood stick rather than cardboard) and carb clean.
Pilot jets I used a stran of speaker wire so as to not damage the jet. A sonic cleaner is a good shop tool.
Riding on a flat tire could get really ugly . Not a smart thing to do.
If it’s the rear literally how
The size looks almost like an 80 but with larger diameter wheels.
Joe, next you clean a needle seat, use a Qtip in a drill with some fine valve lapping compound. It works amazing
In the shot where he takes off next to the trees you can see the back wheel and swingarm have a lot of axial play (moving left/right vice versa)
I loooove the Ape hangers! You better watch out brother,the local MC’s might get jealous!
I got the Hawk Dlx 250 about 3 years ago . Have just over 5000 relatively trouble-free miles on it now . Keep up on the oil changes and valve adjustments . Mine's fuel injected, so no carb issues, obviously . My check engine light did come on. I'm not sure why . The bike runs fine , though maybe a bit rich . She's due for some new tires now and also a chain and sprocket set . Otherwise , no complaints for an $1800.00 Amazon bike shipped right to my door . It owes me nothing if it craps out tomorrow.
FYI, those bikes are a clone of a major brand engine wise...
Yep a honda
I got a 300cc china bike modified and when it was stock it was loud modified even louder also when it was stock it was still awesome no issues nothing breaking other than the company that build the bike from ground up made mistakes when building it caused to break something not by my fault, great second bike before i had a 125 4t now i got 300 and after im buying a 4fiddy
You're not sure why there's a light bar on it?
To see in the dark perhaps?
What?? you ran it knowing the rear tire was flat! And those are so easy to repair.
Plugs are usually clones as well. Bike probably has 2 hours on it. The reason it was more yellow fuel in the carb. They ship them with a gel pack inside that is supposed to keep it usable and it breaks down over time. Well if you havent run 3 or 4 full tanks through and park it for more than a couple days it will mess the whole fuel system. After the 4 tanks then you redo the P.D.I. and Lock Tite is your best friend with that. Once familiar with them you can breakdown these bikes in about 60 mins.
Pretty cool. I recommend that you get Pri-G fuel rejuvenator. Stuff really works well on stale gas.
A lot of times with the Chinese type bikes, you have to take the intake boot off with the carburetor to give you enough room to move it around. You can get it out the ether way cause obviously u did but it’s easier pulling and take boot off.
I had a 1982 YZ 125 , the brass washers on each side of the piston arm wear thin , when you replace the piston , send in your crank for a rebuild
I bought one of those 12 years ago , it was junk ! $1300 brand new , gave it away to a friend , and felt like I screwed him over , I told him , it’s Junk ! But runs , power is almost none existent , same bike , different graphics
Snap On Tool USA 208CP Battery bolt Pliers Side mount angle nose offset jaws red, a great plier to get those stuck philips head screws out, you would be amazed!
There is a pretty big community around these bikes. There are aftermarket carburetors you can get for them that will wake them up a little. Not too expensive either.
I'm sure the plastics flared out in the front is so it can pull in more air for cooling.
Plug for air screw. I drill a tiny hole in those plugs then run a sheet metal screw in that hole and pull the entire plug out from the head of the screw.
It may be original oil, they use fish oil from factory, will kill engine quickly.
Wanna see the completion of that YZ
Just use High test gas in all small engine stuff and the engine will run next year with out problems .. This is what I do and I have never had any problems starting my small engines next xmas or spring with the gas still left in tank ...
My 87 xl600r uses the same air filter concept
I've seen people on other channels that buy these kind of bikes and that's the first thing they do is change the carb they said it makes a big difference in the way it runs.
Wow, I missed the boat paying 3X more for my Honda, with no head light. And I have Amazon Prime, could of got free shipping I guess, live and learn!
Torch tip cleaners work great for cleaning out carburetors
Man do I miss the days when my knees bent and could take the pressure of my body weight well enough to step up into a pickup truck while loading a bike.
I hear you brother 🤣 my knees are shot, I’m down to well thought out baby steps. There’s no jumping off things anymore!
'@@minnesotatomcat Yup, my jumping days are definitely over. Having said that, I am still considering buying a 90's CR250. Probably a really bad idea, lol 😂
@@scott729 I had a brand new 2000 cr250 back in the day. It was an animal, I don’t know if I could handle it anymore 🤣
Every time he does that its a breath holding moment for this 70+ year old biker
I feel like Joe wants to hate it, but is actually liking it much more than he ever thought he would. They are cheap, but not the worst for how much you pay. I did get my 09 KX450 for $1800, and other than oil and tires, I have not had to do anything else other than ride it. Came with full FMF exhaust, so your point is valid that you can get a decent "proven" bike for the same price. Good video, would like to see an updated after you get the new tube and can really give it a full test ride.
Joe I'd never trust the oil in the bikes you pick up. Who knows what they put in there. Probably not even dirtbike/atv oil. Buy buy clutch.
Change the oil 2 or 3 times in the first few minutes...drill out fuel screw and open it up...
The great thing if the motor fails you can buy a complete one with/starter motor for under $400 delivered.
I agree, unless you want a brand new bike, just buy a used Japanese bike. I will say I liked the graphics and colors. The bike def looks a little different, that's for sure.
I laughed so hard at 29:34 when you just immediately switched to a much larger drill bit.
A real butcher.
@re9947, let us know the link to your TH-cam channel.
When he kept going down new it wasn't a cap and hoped it wasn't a fixed jet
try a heat gun on the broken side skirt to soften it and bend it in more? With heat they can be made to bend in and flatten them out...
on second thought the wide flares are air scoops to diect cooling air to the motor..Ugly but functional...!
Bravo, again your patience and knowledge paid off. Quick flip, or additional to the Ol' Joe World of Wheels
If you would have used an EZ Out on the screw blockoff, it would have preserved the bloomin' carb. Annnd, a throttle pumping good time!!
Great video. Glad to see you're mixing it up.
Most modern motorcycles won't spark if the battery is dead. Maybe that one does. it'd be fun to disconnect the battery and try to kick start it.
If Vin won't sniff it, I'll cross it off my wish list! But it looks better than the Chinese Quad I bought my daughter a few years back. I wonder how well the the gearbox shifts?
Try using lapping compound on a Qtip to clean the needle seat.