Seller Spent 4 years Trying To Start This 450cc Dirt Bike (Finally Gave Up)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2023
- I buy a 2005 Suzuki RMZ 450cc dirt bike from a seller who couldn't get it started after owning it for 4 years. Let's fix it. #Suzuki, #450cc,
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I know a ton of people hate on Joe and how he does things sometimes but I can safely say that nobody on TH-cam fixes more bikes than him
100 percent agree with you
There will always be people who don’t possess the good sense to keep their mouths shut and feel a need to criticize others. Newsflash, if you don’t like the content don’t watch. Maybe take that energy to help others instead of whining. Nobody cares, work harder.
Why do they dog him? I'm no mechanic, but he seems to do a great job to me.
Kaplan America fixes more bikes
@@sprintcardriver8nah they actually buy mostly mint bikes
Humble dude , and knows wtf he’s doing and talking about . Refreshing to watch
4 years trying...🤡🌎🥴🥴🥴
🐂💨💩
@@TheBigRed. The seller yeah, not the dude in the video
@@LocPH. he doesn't know how to infer or listen lol
😂@@Zack-jj8nn
ur trolling rn bro
I haven’t worked on a dirty bike in about 50+ years but I have enjoyed watching you fix the non start problems.
A lot of people including myself just have a fear of really ripping into things, especially smaller parts but with technology including TH-cam and just making video documents of yourself tearing it apart, it's something we can all work on and get more confident in doing lol
It can give false confidence though and you’ll find yourself looking for Reddit posts lmfao
@@jordanleonard8198exactly 😂takes years to learn
Must admit that I got a bit addicted to 'the mystery of the engine fail' which 2vintage is always able to find and repair.
Except for that one time... Is that Yamaha still buried in his backyard???
there is no mystery any bike that doesnt run can be made to run again its not a mystery or rocket science
@@BoxingGenius2024 sounds like you never had that hot chick in school that got away! That was my comparison
Rebuilt a Honda 450 this past summer & got in a hurry & f’d up the bottom oil ring on the piston. It still ran but would not stop smoking. I tried adjusting the carb but it was indeed the oil ring. Had to replace the cylinder again cuz the oil ring damaged the cylinder wall. Was an expensive mistake but I finally got it back together with a Wiseco 11.5:1 piston & no smoke. Runs great now. Good job on fixing the carb
Don't play with the throttle when kicking an FCR carb bike. The accelerator pump shoots fuel in and can flood it out pretty easily. Here's a trick to get them to start. With the fuel on and the bike off, open the throttle wide open 3 times fast. This will prime the intake with fuel. Then choke it and kick without touching the throttle at all. If it still doesn't start then barely crack the throttle open 1/16 inch and HOLD it open like that with your thumb on the throttle tube housing while kicking. Holding it open a tiny bit like that also helps with hard hot starts too. Works with all FCR carbs 450, 250, 150 etc. Great vid. Hope this helps someone
I had the same exact problem on my Wr 450 and it bogged out then stopped starting. My grandpa told me to grab a tooth brush and toothpaste and clean the needle valve, jets and other brass. Put it back to together and it fired right up.
He checked everything but the carb? 😂😂😂 Can't fix stupid
Strange sounding bike
They do indeed lol
I crack throttle 4 times on my 2008 yz450f and it starts 1st kick 60% of the time, every time.
Great job diagnosing and making the repairs. Thanks for your time today and Merry Christmas to you and your family!
The RMZ450 dominated and won the 2005 AMA National Championship series. (Ricky Carmichael) Great find!
AND was the first fuel injected 450 to win a national in 2009 by chad reed!
Completely different bikes 😂😂😂 Ricky had a full factory race bike Completely different engine the frame and subframe will be slightly different and so would obviously the suspension and swingarm
Ain't nothing like a Works bike eh 🤓🤙
RMZ 450 these valves adjustments
😮
Joe is gonna be the old dude that people look for when they need to fix anything lol
A future mustie1 if you know who that is
@@JakeDemuss-90216 you ain't kidding there
bro honestly @@JakeDemuss-90216
I'm that guy in my town🔧😊👍. Lol
Except I ain't old. 😆
You guys don’t know how much this man videoes help me. Entertaining and the level he diagnoses these things really does help me understand issues I encounter a lot. Thanks
Broken ring, improperly installed rings. Diaphram? I've seen that damage before, E 15 gator E85 gas. It destroys rubber.
just randomly came across this video - the 450 caught my eye. I used to roll an '08 450. What a torque monster is was. But it was just physically too big for me - on paper it was supposed to be like 15 lbs heavier, but it was more. I thought it was going to be the hot start button - always seemed finicky on mine. Great job diagnosing and getting it up and going, cheers mate
it would be fun to watch you rebuild that rear shock on it instead of just buying a new one. they are really easy to do. I don't think a lot of people realize how easy it is.
I’ve done it on a rm125. And let’s just say that oil was all over my dad’s face and everywhere lol. The shock worked great after though.🤣🤣
Just remember that once your ready to empty the oil out have a 5gal bucket to stick the shock in cause once you start compressing it it'll shoot oil all over the place, and as previously mentioned you can get wet in a hurry.😮
Rebuilding the shock eh? Hmmm I’m down to see that. Add a new wrinkle to the old brain box
Like a damn pogo stick. Never thought I'd see a Suzuki that has Yamahop.
I've done my 2000 drz400e rear shock. It was actually simpler than the forks waaaay less parts in there. Basically comes apart with a flat head screwdriver, hammer, and an adjustable wrench.
Of course you need a lossless Schrader valve filler thing, a regulator, and a tank of nitrogen to charge it when you're all done.
Glad you popped up in my recommended feed! This was a lot of fun to watch because I went through this exact process with my 2005 CRF250X, which uses a near identical carb. It sat for years and everything was gummed up. I wanted to increase my chances of only needing to remove the carb once, so I replaced EVERYTHING in and around the carburator(new jets, diaphram, fuel lines, and even an upgraded to a dual spray venturi), and it worked! Was a super rewarding experience.
If I had to guess why the diaphram on your yamaha was disintegrating, the previous owner probably soaked the entire carb in Chem-Dip(or equivalent) without removing that section of the carb. Chem-Dip + Rubber = no bueno
Adding to my earlier tongue in cheek comment, the was a superb video. This is exactly what youtube is about. Skilled people sharing their knowledge and expertise. I really enjoyed this. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
Great video as always mate 👍 your so chilled and mellow. No stress or drama. You just get the job done. Very therapeutic to watch. Keep up the good work . Repect from the uk 🇬🇧 👏
Man i kinda feel bad for the seller. Ive definitely been that guy that has overlooked a simple issue in search of a larger issue 😅.
I'd love to see him offer it back to the seller at a small profit to cover costs
Same here you’re not alone
I know what you mean, I know nothing about bikes though but have fixed many a lawnmower carb, watching this video thinking even I could have fixed it 😀
Literally even a knobhead would've tried to kick it over, taken out the carb, seen its dry and bought a brand new one for 50$. He looked everywhere but the actual carb
I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He failed the basic test of being a bike owner, he wasn’t curious enough to ask the right questions, such as: How does a carburettor work? And failed to go through the simple check list. In this day and age, even if you have no manual, a basic Google search could easily turn up multiple forum threads and likely a few TH-cam videos. The internet is a rich resource. Zero excuse for not fixing that bike.
Joes videos helped inspire me to start my channel dedicated to fixing old bikes too. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Joe. Have been binge watching you for weeks. Love the videos and “no ads”. Keep it up. We love it. Thank you for outing this content out.
I've worked on a lot of motors over the years and don't even plan to work on any motorcycles in the near future but I really enjoy watching the problem solving and work ethic on this channel. Thanks 2vintage for taking the time to film and post these videos. It's so funny when you were riding in the field I thought it sounded like the kick starter was loose, I had the exact same thing happen to me on an RMX 250 30 years ago.
Love your videos man , always learning new stuff even though been working around bikes for quite some time now. Bloody Legend !
Great job Joe your experience is starting to pay huge dividends. For a lot of people. Congratulations
Fantastic job dude! It is amazing how the seemingly most simple or insignificant things can imapct on the machine working efficiently! Your videos are great, very engaging!
Loving your explanations as you start the diagnosis of the bike,, all really well said and really well explained with really good use of mechanical thinking. Great job.
You definitely seem to be humble and not trying to show off which is a little refreshing actually. Keep doing what you are doing 🙂
Merry christmas- i cant believe the volume of videos that you are putting out. Awesome
Joe, I really like your smooth mechanic style. Your explanations and calm voice allow the Viewer to gain confidence that he/she too could rebuild this carb. Years ago I read in MCN that a JIS screwdriver should be the only screwdriver choice for anyone working on a Japanese bike. A true JIS screwdriver will almost never "cam-out" of a cross-head screw on any moto machine from Japan.
Allen Millyard always uses JIS. I have not had the same success. I generally get the JIS screws out and replace with hex socket heads.
Good job bro!! My kawi 450 did the same thing when I picked it up. Guy had smoking problems said he rebuilt the whole thing and after I rode it in a little bit it ran beautifully. Just a little smoke like yours. Great video bro. Keep them builds/fixes coming!
I raced a 17 rmz450 on ice a few years back and loved it !!! Joe I just bought a roller starter- you should invest in one best thing I ever did for working on bikes - starts my 92 ktm mx 500 2 stroke effortlessly- Great video today and as always great content 😀 merry Christmas 🎅 to you and your family- give Vin man a pet for me - from north Minnesota
Where did you get starter roller? Have a XT500 Yamaha that has starting and running problems. It has knobby tires. My short 64 year old leg can't kick like it used to. I know how to use compression release. 😊
Great job sir, and I like the fact you are consistent, no run in for other peoples engines as well as your own :D
Excellent down to earth practical hands on videos, with great outcomes.
Love your common sense systematic and relaxed approach in solving these problems.
Learnt more about watching a few of your videos than from reading theoretical textbooks and has encouraged me to fix all my bike problems diy.
Blessings and greetings from a Senior Citizen from Tasmania , Australia ( close to Antarctica)
Keep up the good work.
I just recently repaired one that had similar symptoms to yours not starting and carb leaking. Turned out the guy had hooked the fuel line to the vent line and vice versa. Gas leaking everywhere. Let's see what you find out. Nice work. I thing though, blow out around the plugs no matter what condition the motor looks. One little rock or piece of rust can wreak havoc on a cylinder wall and rings. You work to hard for that. I do love your dedication. 👍
Guaranteed that the previous owner used carburetor cleaner to clear passages with the accelerator pump still installed. That is what destroyed the diaphragm and orings.
I think you are correct
Ethanol in the fuel dissolved mine.
@@104ducati ethanol is definitely a killer of rubber parts, I agree, not to mention the green crap it’ll grow in a fuel bowl in such a short amount of time
If you live near a marina you can usually buy ethanol-free gas
@@ni_wink84buy putoline fuel fighter stabilization
Vinnie is the best bro... Gets me every time. Keep up the good work man.
This was my first time checking out your channel, fabulous camera work on the repair. Thanks for sharing!
Its clear your dedication to dig into all the bits n pieces is where your success comes from.
Joe you have some vehicles lying around you must have a small fortune in your collection mate love your content 👍
Love your channel bro. I think I have almost watched every episode. It’s fun learning about fixing bikes and all. I got a 2015 kx450f which I never had a chance to ride yet. Haha. Keep up the good work Joe and can’t wait for the next vid
What a lucky buy you managed on this one. I rode an old RM400 for a couple of years in the 1970's. Fast as hell in a straight line, but horrible on corners, whoops, etc. Miss that old dog. Nice carb work!!
I thought the chain was loose, then I remembered the sound my bike made just before my kick starter fell off. I knew that sound immediately. Glad you found it. Great job on the bike!!!!
Great job dude, I agree with other comments,. Charge him for the parts and your time,sell it back if he wants it. Really enjoy your channel.
2Vinny was Fired-up for this one, must of been from his lack of Screen Time from the Previous Video. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. 🎄🎁🐕🏍
That is one happy dog... His mom and dad must give him lots of love........
Nice score! Plus the camera angle is perfect on the ride portion! Epic!
I enjoy watching you work on the bikes very calm and relaxed. I'd be throwing wrenches lol. Keep up the videos very fun to watch
Joe your one of the best mechanics i have ever seen who works on dirtbikes and all sorts of stuff you are a blessing knowing how to fix things and you encourage me to do the same stay safe out there keep up the good work!
Not even close to one of the best mechanics, totally overlooks basic things.
Been following Joe for a while now and can say confidently he’s one of the best bike mechanics I’ve seen hands down
Merry Christmas to all the miserable fucks who have something to say then delete their comments
Thats a big statement right there😂
Joe is a beast because of him i bought a old 2003 yz125 i want to start working on an raceing soon i learn so much from joe an the manual book
Never watched you before, good narration, filming, and of course mechanical knowledge. Very impressive. on ya mate
Nice job tracking down that excelerator pump issue. Time to invest in an exhaust fan for the cold weather when your doors are closed, might guard against health issues 20 or 30 years down the road.
Definitely 😊
I agree he also would benefit from a sandblaster, sonic cleaner, solvent tank I’m sure he can get someone to sponsor those items
Lol@@rvmonkey1669
That fuel filter was installed backwards. Should be able to see any debris on the OUTside of the pleated filter. If the prior owner missed something as simple as that, makes you wonder how many other little things were missed. :(
Pilot jet
plastics are cheaper@@JakeDemuss-90216
Hey Joe, wishing you and family a merry Christmas. That new haircut looks nice and fresh.! so yay Vinny. Hugs and love to Vinny. The Vinmeister! 🎉❤ that’s awesome you can fix these bikes.
Always good to watch somebody who knows what he is doing, making this bike work has been a great watch even though Im more of a two stroke lover having raced bikes back in the 80's
I am nowhere near the Bike Mechanic you have proven your own self to be, but if the guy refreshed the cylinder and never got it running then you are now breaking it in and the rings have to seat. Once broken in I would bet your smoke issue will clear right up. Great channel, great content and you are one great mechanic (self-taught or well trained, either way), Keep up the good work!
I love watching how simple you make the repairs look.
Im wondering where do sell these bikes?
My first time seeing your channel.
As soon as I got a glimpse of all your toys I got excited.
Great work.
I loved watching this because I bet like many other viewers we are in tune with your moves by 80-90%... No surprises. Its like we are doing it too.
Sounds like she might need the valves shimmed too. Nice buy!!!
"She" doesn't need the valves shimmed. Were you watching when he measured the gaps?
@@ernieschatz3783 oh I’m sorry is the bike a they/them like you?
@@ernieschatz3783 maybe it was the cam chain rattling. Who knows
nope it was that kickstarter rattling its ass off@@Darkgrabba
Holly crap, there's a lot to that carb.! At 20:00, that's probably from that crappy Ethanol fuel were stuck with!
I think that's how they'll phase out combustion engines. They'll make the fuel so corrosive it will just destroy everything.There will be an extra tank for the additives.
@@antimatter314scary
Great vid Joe. It sounds amazing! Have a great festive holiday.
Really a great job at going after the basics needed to run. Well explained along the way also. 👍
Just curious to know if any of the past sellers contact you with frustration about how simple the fix has been?
Too bad so sad now frig right off.
I’d be curious to to see what kind of messages he gets back seeing as he does it all on TH-cam. I do the same thing as him but obviously not on TH-cam and I get tons of threats and whatnot from people after I buy something fix it and it’s back up for sale the next day or two. They always want more money or they want it back and that it was a “mistake” that they sold it😂
Hell yeah been waiting for another classic shut garage door smoke out.
Thanks for making the video. I've been riding bikes for forty years and wrenching on them as well.
What amazed me about this video is the deep dive into the carb.
On top of the extra maintenance that these four stroke race bikes require over two stroke race bikes was the extra complexity of the carb.
An EXTRA Jet for starting and a Hot Start Circuit, as well as the TPS must make them far more complex to keep running.
At least you can flip up the rear subframe to get to the carb.
Every Suzuki I've owned was a bastard to work on the carb...
They must have very small hands in Hamamatsu...
There you go. I've actually learned something new today. Thanks mate
Merry Christmas to you the wife and Vinnie 🎉
Now send that rear shock in for a rebuild😏
very easy to rebuild yourself
@@robertdelinsky7247 -- Where's your link to a shock rebuilld video?
@@user-pp2ze4yq3m go to "upallnight91" complete rearshock and fork rebuilds an much more🙂
Edit: forgot the d in and, oops 😮
@@user-pp2ze4yq3m There r several out there go to rocky mountain atv
I just had a similar situation this week. My daughter bought a used Yamaha 125 atv for her son. The guy who sold it to her said that he bought it from someone and had been trying for 2 years to get it to run. He put 2 carburetors on it, a new coil and a new cdi box on it. She brought it to me and I ran a compression check on it and was really low. The spark plug showed no oil burning which was odd. Spark was good, fuel was good just low compression. Checked the valves and they were bad out of adjustment. Got them set right and the bike cranked right up. Adjusted the carb and this thing purrs like a kitten. Lesson here: Some people need to learn when they don't have the right skills to work on certain things and would save themselves a whole lot of money to take it to someone who does.
awesome video Joe. Merry Christmas to you and your family. keep safe. cheers!
gonna need the rear shock rebuilt too, can tell its blown by the bounce when you were kicking it over
You can also tell by him saying the rear shock is toast at the beginning of the vid lol
@@samuelgersbach646 I must have missed that 😁
I may be wrong but after you added oil to the cyclinder, besides testing your compression, it’s also acting as a smoke down test. A couple times after you started it I noticed that smoke was immediately in front of the motor instead of all out the silencer like expected. I wonder if something is off with the exhaust gasket or its mating surface? Maybe causing that smoking and/or the backfiring!
this
i forgot to add my crush washer and i was wondering what all the smoke and backfiring was lol
Thanks for taking the time & energy to film the maintenance. It's always interesting & educational to see & hear how a mechanic reasons out the solutions.
I was excited when it got started. I dont know why Im watching this since I don't own one but it was interesting to see you repair the issue
The Seller should have payed you to get it running instead of selling it but hey that not your problem you get lucky once in a while and get a good deal. Happy Holidays!
P.S: There rear shock is toast lol
Sounds a little lean on low and mid but an easy fix, wonder if the seller installed new valve seals and checked the guides? Hopefully as you stated the ring gaps aren't lined up😮 but I would lean towards valve seals and check that the oil drain ports on the head are free and not letting excessive oil pool up in the head. Best of luck hope it's an easy fix.🙂
no way brother, cant take the shaking and bouncing (i could for a bit but would pay in pain later) I see no point in just riding smooth surfaces . thanks for the encouragement
I would love even a short follow-up on this if you have the time..I envy your skills! Watching and learning this was fun for me as an older boy (62). I thank you very much!
Love your content! Thank you for making this and sharing it :) I learned so much
You should definitely consider offering to sell it back to him for what you paid plus time and parts. It’s the holiday season and would probably give your channel a boost in popularity if you filmed it.
It’s so easy to give away other people’s money isn’t it?! Seller had the opportunity to take his bike to a shop and have it repair and he chose to sell it. What you’re asking Joe to do is give away HIS money. Why don’t YOU write the seller a check if you feel sorry for him.
@@swpdds -- For the record, he has fixed bikes for others -- them paying him for his labor & parts of course -- but that was the arrangement going in. I suspect that he (like a lot of successful YT channels) spends more time creating and editing content and less time wading through the comments.
@@swpdds Well there’s no harm in making a nice gesture during holiday season, and I don’t ask him to give anything away (which many channels do btw). I said #1 consider, #2 an allowance for time and parts (profit, which is essentially part way towards flipping it anyway), #3 channel promotion. But no, you just try and flip my words around to fit your narrative. Get lost.
This is amazing. I’m not surprised the guy couldn’t fix it himself, that carb was pretty advanced ? I wouldn’t have the experience to take that apart like you did and know exactly what I was doing. Great job, you are a great bike guy!👍🇬🇧
It's kind of like a normal carburetor with a few more things they're quite easy until you get to the mid body which sucks, be very careful with carburetor cleaner on fcr carbs there is rubber o rings inside that carb clean will harm you may not see the o-rings but they're in the mid body which is a tedious process to rebuild
you can buy a brand new carb for this for about $200, would have been the easiest/quickest way to fix it.
@@MrRidleyDog I’m sure he fixed it for a small fraction of that price. Not everyone has money to throw at things like that.
@@BottleBri I'm more talking about the original owner.
@@MrRidleyDog Klein fcr39mx is about $750 and the 41mx is about $800 more cost effective to have someone clean it
Hi vintage your channel is fantastic love all the work done on dirt bikes and bringing back to life awesome 👍🇬🇧
Love that you got Vinny Involved!! I still have NO IDEA how you put these back together properly! SOO many little and different parts
Few secs in and it sounds like a headache 😅
Came out good on that one, Joe! I really thought it was going to be way worse. Well done man! Merry Christmas.
Not sure how much they cost, but have you considered using the Pig Mats under your carb takeaparts??
Another awesome video. Great work. Always look forward to watching.
Man, this is so cool... Inspirational... and the bike sounds like a beast! I've always wrenched on cars & bikes (basic stuff), and also do most of the work on my Enduro MTB... this makes me want to go out and buy a beater and get it working. 😀
Love these videos dont hate on joe hes good at what he does and videos are entertaining keep the vids coming pal
Like others in the comments saying the shock needs a rebuild, this one needs it pretty bad😂
And pretty easy to do on your own. He needs to venture into suspension next!
Joe another great video! Happy Holidays to you and your family! 🎄🎄
Excellent work on this one! Logical diagnosis process and verified the basics without trusting the seller. I am wondering if the seller did a poor job cleaning the carb - likely shot carb clean in there and called it good and then the carb clean disintegrated the accelerator pump diaphragm.
Classic Ethanol damage on the rubber diaphragm.
Especially if the things been sitting for four years
You know when he says "lets kick this thing over a couple times" he's gonna kick it over about 50 times
and show you all the kicks
Just started watching today. That’s nice bike….great deal. Not everyone can do pretty quick diagnosis as quickly as you did. Great job. I’m jealous. Sweet bike.
Love the videos man. They are soothing and I love watching the puzzles be solved. I’d love the opportunity to help support you by buying a hoodie or something. A run of merch next year could be cool!
Looks like a lot of ethanol went thru that carb.
Right and yes
that motor does not sound good I think.
Sounds like metal just crashing together don’t it?
i just found this channel and i was hooked immediately. this is awesome.
I hope the previous owner won't watch this.. you fixed it easily. Nice job
Bro spent half his life just kicking bikes over😂
He might have been through it 10 times but he didn't know what the hell he was doing 😂
Love your content, always watched never realized I wasn’t subbed. So I subbed. Thanks 2vintage.
Thanks a lot for the info man. Please keep up the awesome work!