"I have learned to appreciate the feline, she is a lone hunter who comes and goes as she pleases and attacks without mercy. Truly a warrior's pet"- Worf on Spot.
First two episodes of season 7, but to give credit to Adam...the outsider in the religion of Bajor was a theme played through DS9 between Sisko, Kira and Kai Winn.
Yeah. I thought it was something to do with his mother being a wormhole alien. So he was connected to it through non linear events. Was that not obvious by the end
The deleted scenes from Nemesis make me so angry. There were some really great and touching moments that were cut just because Rick Berman wanted to be proud that the film was under 2 hours.
When Nero went back in time why didn’t he just save Romulus from impending destruction instead of seeking revenge for something that didn’t happen yet?
The smartest thing would have been to use that tech to take over Romulus and build up to wage a second war against the Federation.
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Because he believed that Romulus' destruction had been a conspiracy by the Vulcans and the Federation, be by action or inaction, and that by destroying them, he would be saving his planet somehow. But mostly, the guy was totally messed up in his head. When Pike points at the fact that Romulus exists, Nero screams "I watched it happen! Don't tell me it didn't happen!!" when he already knows he is in the past. And, of course, revenge is illogical. Surak said: "The spear in your enemy's side is the spear in your own," but Romulans don't follow Surak's teachings, and Nero wasn't one of envisioning a power takeover, since he presented himself as "the last of the Romulan Empire."
Literally nothing in the JJ reboot really makes any sense. According to to JJ everything is about 10 minutes away and all the tech is already there. Nothing new or special.
Soooo... I guess you didnt catch all of DS9 because for #2 there was a whole series of episodes where Sisko finds out the prophets possessed Sisko's real mom to have her meet his father and give birth to him. They literally created him, just somewhat indirectly through other people. It was in the first episodes of season 7, specifically 7-01: Image in the sand
@@VuotoPneumaNN that doesn't explain why they chose Sisko over a Bajoran though. Yeah they wanted an Emissary to save Bajor but that's not why they chose him
That's what I gathered from watching the show... That the 'Prophets' live outside of linear time and so Sisko's entire existence was a literal 'prophecy'. His father fell in love with a woman who walked away from both him and Sisko not after Ben's birth saying she didn't understand what had happened. It is not implied, but stated a wormhole alien had possessed her. So, in order for this to happen the Prophets set up a paradox, simply to save themselves.... It's actually quite interesting to re-watch the scenes with Sisko and the Prophets (great name for a band, by the way) across DS9's Seven series with that knowledge. A lot of the interactions take on a different meaning when you apply the Prophet's motives and Sisko's sacrifice...
There's one scene in ST2 where during Kahn's attack you see all the people in engineering running in one direction and a quick shot of Peter Preston going in the other direction and climbing a ladder. I can't remember if this was a cut scene or what but it was mentioned that Peter was the one responsible for getting Auxiliary Power back online and allowing Enterprise to return fire.
So, the lesson is, never edit a Star Trek movie, include every bit of footage filmed onscreen. The only thing on the cutting room floor should be highly waxed linoleum.
I was like... "Because he's his nephew!" the entire time... I couldn't figure out how I knew... Thank you for solving that mystery for me! My dad recorded all the movies (and the show) off the television.
@@jamesburnsfisher3304 It was also on at least one of the early VHS releases, since our copy had it. It seems like the ST movies get weird things cut from releases. Like my original VHS copy of STIV and the scene with Chekov waking up and saying his rank was Admiral, Kirk had a witty comment about it, but I've seen several versions where that comment is just cut for no reason.
I remember the same. He was introduced to Kirk with great pride and when "he stayed at his post when all the trainees ran" he was Scotty's grief personified. That's (imho) why Scotty carried Preston to the bridge instead of sickbay: he was dying of chemical burns and needed to know why. He saw Kirk was still fighting and could say goodbye. "Is the word given, Admiral?" Deeply touching. No recriminations, no despair, a brave man finishing his duty.
As someone who has personally experienced it, I can say that remotely stopping and starting the heart is not a very effective torture method. You just faint painlessly and wake up again with mild confusion.
I imagine you'd be correct. Therefore we could assume that the *Method* used to stop the heart was torturous, not the heart stopping that was torturous.
I didn't like the canon explanation. It appeared to be something just tossed in at the start of Season 7 with no prior context. I think it would have been better if it were revealed earlier on, maybe Season 3 and then used to continue to guide the show and evolve the history. Don't forget, in the Pilot when Sisko enters the Wormhole, the Wormhole Aliens are like "who the fuck are you" to him when they should have known right away he was part prophet.
Actually, the Colonel West scene was added into Star Trek VI upon its original home video release including VHS, Laserdisc, and two DVD releases (the Special Collector's Edition has additional fine-tuning by director Nicholas Meyer).. The theatrical cut wasn't released on video until 2009.
Thanks, I thought I was going mad or having a Mandela Effect moment - I KNEW that I had seen that scene on VHS ... When I was about 19-20... So 27 Years ago!!! No DVD back then...
Thing is, did we need to know exactly how Kirk beat the Kobiashi Maru? Surely seeing him beat it in such a blase fashion was enough considering the sheer fact he cheated was talked about in the Wrath of Khan so the fact he still did it in the altered timeline should have just been an indicator that his "I don't like to lose"(that was his explanation in 'Khan)/ "I don't believe in 'no win scenarios'" attitude was a part of his destiny no matter what you did to his past.
When Winn becomes Kai she actually says that she once asked Kai Opaka why a non-believer would be chosen to be Emissary she says Opaka said you shouldn't look into the eyes of your own gods. So that concept is still actually given in the series. But I think that is more of a surface level to it all. Though I think Sisko is the Emissary because he always was the Emissary. The Prophets don't even know about the concept of linear time and always have a hard time comprehending it. They didn't even know linear beings existed until they met Sisko (which is itself hard to wrap your head around but hey). In visions Sisko sees Opaka's Pah who tells him that "we are of Bajor" when pressed she explains "YOU are of Bajor" Because the Prophets also made Ben. Since they are not bound to our concept of time once they knew Ben existed they knew it was them who created him in the first place. It gets kind of gross when they take over a mortal woman for a time and use her body to create Ben... Ben is concerned about Bajor, so the Prophets are concerned about Bajor, so they assert themselves through time because they don't know how to do so in a linear way. So the more Ben grows to care for Bajor, the more the Prophets end up embedding themselves benevolently in the culture throughout time. It is really fascinating. :)
Yeah, it's all a predestination paradox. Sisko was the first linear being to meet the Prophets even though the Prophets has done things in our past. But since the Prophets are non-linear, our past is not their "past." Our past can be their "future" and our future can be their "past." Essentially, Sisko met the Prophets in their "past," then they affected our past in their "future" by creating Sisko.
They do now about linear beings, Sisko's birth was engineered by one of them posing as his mother. And as you said, they don't experience time linearly, so there's no "before they met him".
Its obvious to me that the prophets are Bejorans. Any race that survives long enough turns into all powerful energy beings, Q, the Dowd, Wesley... The prophets locked the path wraith away in the fire caves and built the holy temple. They care about the fate of the Bejorans the same way you or I would care about our ancestors not being screwed with before they had their kids. They exist in all time. They know which parts are required because it isn't just the future, it is past and present. Their own.
7:48 Sorry Adam, but I saw The Undiscovered Country back in... Jesus, I was young... That's all I can say - And I don't know when the Extra Scene with West was removed, But .. well, It was on the VHS releases here in the UK... or at least at some point it was! My best guess wold be that they released one for the Rental Markets and later edited that scene out for the Bought Copies... And then its been pit back again since 2004 like you said. What a sodding strange state of affairs though...
Yeah when I first saw it in theater it was also in the movie. The part that got my attention was the voice of Michael Dorn saying "this isn't Klingon blood"
My understanding is that those scenes were included for the version that ran on television in the year or so following the movie's theatrical release - here in Canada it ran on "The Movie Network" with those scenes in the early nineties. That was the only version I had ever seen so was confused when I saw the theatrical version in a theatre in 2016.
being a person with a deep imagination ...I always wondered what happened too Wesley , thank you so much for clearing that up .. my mind can rest now concerning this cleared up cliffhanger
" Why, it's Col. West!!" " Yea, and I would have gotten away with it , if it wasn't for Captain Kirk and his meddling crew!!!" ( it was a Scooby doo moment.)
@Ryan Claus I don’t care who it’s made for specifically. I think when movies have to spell it out for the slow ones it hurts the story and writing process. People rely too much on from told something these days. Many movies these days just don’t have the writing it once had. Sometimes i weep for the species of how much explanation needs to be addressed. Then again I made that statement a year ago so again a year ago who gives a shit
Oh #3, scotty's nephew, wasn't a deleted scene. I saw that in the theaters, that talk with Kirk and Scotty. I think it was removed just for television back in the day, to fit for commercials, then was never reinserted
Exactly. His nephew tells Kirk that if he can’t see the Enterprise is the best ship in the fleet then he’s as blind as a Tyberian Bat. Scotty then explains that it’s his sister’s youngest, eager to get to space.
I copied a extended version off of the air. It was the first time I saw the extended discussion between Kirk, McCoy, and Spock about the genesis device. It also had more interaction between Kirk and Preston. Ah fond memories.
That scene as far as I knew was always there. So, when I saw it wasn't by watching tv or whatever, I got so angry that to this day I have to leave the room and co e back after the scene is over.
I'm pretty sure that the revelation that the "Klingon" Scotty shot in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered country was Colonel West / Rene was in there along. I don't think I've even seen that movie in the last 16 years, and I remember that aspect of it well.
The scene was cut from the theatrical release, but has been reinstated in all home video releases except for the 2009 DVD / Blu-Ray release, which was the first time the theatrical cut was put on video..
@@NickMichalak Yeah, that makes sense. I would have been 12 when it came out in theaters in 1991, so I probably didn't see it until it came out on video the next year or whenever.
I’m fairly certain it was in the theatrical release as I remember it from the 90s. Also, so was the scene in Wrath of Khan where Scott says it’s his sister’s youngest, eager to get to space.
@@snjdualsport7125 It was, at least for the first showings. It was part of the movie when I saw it on its opening night and then, some time later during an IMAX showing, it had been cut.
Operation Retrieve and the Colonel West reveal at the end are in the original home video releases from the 1990s. It was only absent from the theatrical cut and broadcast versions. The 2009 blu-ray is the theatrical cut, which doesn't include it.
to be quite specific, it was Vedek/Kai Winn Who said that when she asked Kai Opaca why it is that an outsider would be chosen as the emissary, her response was that one should never look into the eyes of one's own Gods. she responded that she would give anything to look into their eyes. I don't remember what she said that Opaca's response was, but the point is that the statement was clearly made in the show.
Me and my brother went to the cinema to watch Nemesis and it showed the scene near the end of the film where Picard got that new captains chair with the restraints and he says "it's about time". When I came to get it on DVD, that scene wasn't in and was a deleted scene. Me n my bro were so annoyed! Did anyone else notice this??? I've hoped for many many years to have an Extended/Directors cut of Nemesis as most of the deleted scenes would have made it a better film. Especially the one mentioned here about Geordi and Worf going through Data's things.
The relationship between Sisko and the Prophets was actually explained very well. There was at least one episode dedicated almost completely to that. His biological mother was inhabited by the spirit/mind/pah/whatever of a Prophet specifically to get it on with Joseph Sisko and produce Benjamin Sisko. I think that's a fairly thorough explanation of why they "chose" him-he was half Prophet and was formed and manipulated by them for the specific task of defeating the pah wraiths.
Colonel West was in the original version of Star Trek VI. There is a piece of dialogue that they have removed from the original version. When we see the blood is red (yes Kilngon blood was pink in the original version) Colonel Worf says "this is not Klingon blood" just before removing the mask and revealing Colonel West.
JJ Abrams killed Trek, his vision of Trek makes no sense and no matter how many deleted scenes are restored, the 2009 Trek will never make any sense whatsoever.
Even calling it a "vision" for ST gives that guy too much credit. I saw the 2009 moovie in cinema and left it with the feeling of being punched into my balls.
Because it is set in an alternate universe, it made sense to me and I have been a fan since 1966 (I was in high school, and yes I am old). I really enjoyed the movies.
Over the course of DS9 the Prophets reveal to Sisko that they sent one of their number to possess his mother. The prophets don’t understand past-present-future; they exist at a level where everything is happening right now. As a result Sisko was always going to be their chosen, because he had always been chosen. The prophet that took over his mother’s life gave birth too him, so he was not entirely human either. And that was why he was able to remain with the prophets at the end of the series run. If the writers originally said it was what the cut scene you cited said, they changed their minds radically later on.
For those people saying Images in the Sand explained why Sisko is the Emissary you are incorrect. That only explained how, not why. It is explicitly stated that his mother didn't love his father, which means he was singled out specifically. The mother/Prophet most likely didn't randomly point at the night sky to pick a random planet, the randomly pick any old schmuck off the street. They never explained why it had to be Siskos father specifically. Save for the idea that to them and the way they experience time Sisko was always the Emissary. So they participated in what was essentially a self-fulfilling paradox. That was never really explained though.
In the novelization of Star Trek II describes Peter Preston repairing a coolant leak in Engineering while the other Cadets broke under pressure. And he’s a Cadet. In Star Trek : Generations, when a coolant leak happened (After the defeat of the Duras sisters), all Geordi (who’s the ChEng) does is say, “Nothing I can do!!”
Geordi’s torture is a callback to the torture he received as Kunte Kinte in roots when the slave master that owned him was trying to get him to accept his new identity.
Actually a cool little Easter egg in Star Trek was when Nero used the "Ceti eel" on Captain Pike. This is a nod to Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan when Khan used a "Ceti eel" on Captain Terrell and Commander Chekov to torture them. Partly due to Khan and his crew being abandoned on Ceti Alpha V. And also the creature wiped out some of his crew including his wife I think she was Marla McGivers or something like that.
7:17 In the original scene from the theatrical release when he lands on the ground Worf said "thats not... This scene was also present on the The Undiscovered Country Laser Disc Widescreen edition; I had that along with the elite laser disc of Who Framed Roger Rabbit with the shot of Jessica Rabbits "kitty" when she was thrown outta the taxi. Later versions didn't have that.
I SWEAR TO GOD the BBC's original cut back in the 90s that I recorded and researched endlessly HAS the Colonel West sniper scene. All the subsequent ones I've ever scene televised or on DVD do not and I never knew why.
I've seen the directors cut of the Wrath of Khan they should've left in the scenes with Scotty's Nephew they also cut out a part where Scotty Bones and Kirk are in sickbay and Scotty and Kirk added a bit more than just Scotty saying "He stayed at his post when the trainees ran"
The phonecall to young Kirk from his angry stepfather in the car was self-explanatory. Sisko's mother was a Bajoran prophet who chose his father as a human mate, unknown to Sisko Sr. until years later. After Sisko's birth she left. So obviously Sisko was half-human, half-Bajoran prophet.
The Col West thing has been in every viewing I've ever sen of Trek 6 on home media. I can't say for sure if I saw it in theater, but I know it didn't surprise me when I bought the VHS.
I always wondered where Nero was supposed to be in The Next Generation timeline. I understand we wouldn't know ourselves as the Romulans would be good at keeping such secrets, but I'm interested in how easy it was for Nero to get a ship and travel back in time while all the stuff we see in Picard is supposed to have been going on
There was a comic released right before the film as a prequel called "countdown" that explains it. It may not be considered hard canon anymore but it's the best we have at the moment. It's been years since I read it. Basically Nero's ship is a mining barge and after the Romulan star explodes he infiltrates a Romulan military base called "the forge" or something like that where the Tal Shair was experimenting with applying Borg technology to their own ships. Probably similar to "the artifact" we see in STP. Nero steals it and applies it to his mining barge turning it into that massive warship. He has a run in with the enterprise E who is commanded by Data and is almost stopped but Data is forced to make a choice between letting Worf die or Nero go. Nero then goes after Spock. There's a bunch of politics in it as well where Spock is working with Nero and the Vulcan high command behind the back of the federation trying to prevent the supernova.
I so like your insightful knowledge of the world of Star Trek. You have answered a few things I have wondered about. Thanks. LOOKING FORWARD to Discovery season three, I will look for your reviews.
For #3, there are some new versions of that movie in which they include that little bit of dialogue. And you're right. It adds a whole new level of depth to that sad situation.
Worf adopt Spot?! I thought he was allergic to cats - at least I remember him sneezing in that scene when Data entrusted him with the cat... And speaking of Spot - that cat kept switchjing genders quite a bit - male in one episode, female in the next.
#10 - Generations torture scene, OMG I SAW THIS SCENE in theaters and nobody ever believes me! I remember when it came out on tape I bought it of course and rewatched it and it was like "Wait a minute...." and everyone told me I must have imagined it. There must have been a new cut rushed out to theaters or maybe I just saw it at a theater that had it before many others but I've felt crazy about for years now.
@TrekCulture First time, long time. I remember watching that movie in the theater The Wrath of Khan. And in the movie theater here in America they did mention that that was Scotty's nephew. Everyone knew that that wasn't a deleted scene thing.
Christ, that scene from Star Trek (2009) would have helped make sense of why ships in starfleet were so much more ...militarized and powerful, like why would they be building that dreadnought from Star Trek: Into Darkness, that and Khan designing the weapon systems on it. Knowing the klingons had access to the Narada makes a lot more sense. I mean they had an augment working on it, and all this advanced tech that was period inappropriate from the tv series all now kind of makes sense. They really ought to stop deleting really important plot scenes like that.
I read almost all of the books to the Star Trek movies, so I was able to understand most of the deleted scenes that you mentioned. I think one or two might have not been in the books or it has been so long that I don't remember them anymore. My only regret is that I couldn't read Into Darkness, but that is because I'm not even sure they made a book for it. I never could find it anywhere for purchase or at a library to borrow. That is very weird, but whatever.
I just realised this means that in the Kelvin TL, Kirk can drive (sort of, I guess?) whereas in TOS "A Piece of the Action", Prime Kirk has never driven a car and, as Spock comments, his driving skills leave much to be desired! 😁
Wow, he was supposed to join them on Titan? The books are super into little easter eggs like that, but they definitely conveniently forgot about Wesley.
"Wrath of Kahn" had more family drama than most people know. Peter Preston was Scotty's nephew. David was Kirk's son. The character played by Judson Scott was Khan's son (source: Some interview with him I read once. Star Log magazine, I think.) Saavik was half-Romulan (source: Can anyone find this? Before the movie's release, there was a TV special promoting it, in which Spock tells Kirk "She is half-Romulan, Jim." Not in the movie.) The implication is strong that Saavik is Spock's daughter by the Romulan Commander.
Saavik is not Spock's daughter. Remember the scene in the next film on Genesis, it would have been incest. Saavik also became pregnant but the reveal scene was removed from The Voyage Home.
I don't know about the majority of the rest of you people but I remember that Cornel West pets in the VHS version of the movie that my oldest brother had. So when I started to watch him and it wasn't showing that part I was like what the hell why they cut important part out. I always knew it was Cornel West because I always love hearing worf's voice saying this isn't Klingon blood. And for more hard Trek fans everyone would notice that Cornel West was played by Odo. Okay second edit also in that same VHS pack that I talked about about Cornel West being the Klingon that Scotty shot in Star Trek 2 you'll find out that it's Scotty's nephew in the VHS version I had so I always knew it.
I’ve probably watched this dozens of times but I’m just now noticing...did he really say that the concept of Borg nanites was a thing as early as Generations?
thanks for answering questions that have been on my mind for years about star trek. what a bloody shambles they created. (peter newbrook not josephine)
The kid that died in Star Trek II was not some random Junior officer. He was commander Scott's nephew. I thought that was plainly obvious in the movie all along.
I knew about all of them except for 3. Who adopted spot which is he say was not that big of a deal but didn't know that. Now deleted scenes like that from Star Trek would have made more sense of what the romulans were doing for like 20 years until Spock arrived. I also knew about the Wesley Crusher deleted scene but I did not know in the scene he said he was going to join Riker and Troi on the Titan and I did not know that Beverly Crusher was going back to Starfleet medical at the end of the movie. Good job Adam good job
Who took out the Scooby Doo ending to Star Trek VI? It was in the version I saw in the cinema and then in the one I watched way too many times on VHS. It explains why there was a point made to show pepto bismal Klingon blood. And it gave Rene Aberjeanoir one more chance to "shapeshift".
Abrahm’s Kirk drives a car, and yet in the original series Kirk didn’t know how to drive a car because they didn’t have them in the future (episode: A Piece of the Action). That pre-dates the Abraham’s new timeline.
Didn't they also film a scene for Nemesis where Wesley Crusher turned out to be married? To that girl he worked together with against the threat of that computer game to which the whole crew had become addicted? As for Spot, it was never quite settled whether he/she was a cat or a tom, right? There are episodes where Spot is referred to as "he", but in another "she" has kittens...And I'm astonished that Worf decided to adopt Spot because I thought he was allergic to cats (in that episode where he is asked by Data to look after Spot, he gives a sneeze when in close proximity of the cat).
Uhm, we had the internet when DS9 was coming out. I remember vividly, because that's when I was watching B5 (not DS9) and I caught up on the first two seasons that I'd missed by reading about them on the internet.
"I have learned to appreciate the feline, she is a lone hunter who comes and goes as she pleases and attacks without mercy. Truly a warrior's pet"- Worf on Spot.
Bet he renamed spot Jadzia
Anthony Lesley dude ..... too soon lol
Oh lolo
But from a wildlife management perspective cats are a nightmare, killing with impunity even when they are not hungry.
@@williammerkel1410 To a Klingon that is a challenge.
The Prophets didn't just choose Sisko. They created him by one of them having a relationship with Sisko's father.
correct
First two episodes of season 7, but to give credit to Adam...the outsider in the religion of Bajor was a theme played through DS9 between Sisko, Kira and Kai Winn.
It's a predestination paradox. The Prophets needed to create Sisko because Sisko was the one who discovered the wormhole.
Yeah. I thought it was something to do with his mother being a wormhole alien. So he was connected to it through non linear events. Was that not obvious by the end
@@KingOfMadCows It's not a predestination paradox because there is no time travel involved, the Prophets do not experience time linearly.
The deleted scenes from Nemesis make me so angry. There were some really great and touching moments that were cut just because Rick Berman wanted to be proud that the film was under 2 hours.
That movie sucked, anyway.
@@KevinSmith-gu7fb Have to agree it sucked ass
Agreed. The best scenes in Nemesis are the scenes that are not in Nemesis.
That movie had so much potential
I'm always happy when a film is longer than two hours...
I wish the car scene in Star Trek 2009 had been kept in because the random kid that Kirk drives by was supposed to be Sam Kirk, his brother.
"You might have watched Star Trek Discovery" and are probably still working through the trauma.
When Nero went back in time why didn’t he just save Romulus from impending destruction instead of seeking revenge for something that didn’t happen yet?
The smartest thing would have been to use that tech to take over Romulus and build up to wage a second war against the Federation.
Because he believed that Romulus' destruction had been a conspiracy by the Vulcans and the Federation, be by action or inaction, and that by destroying them, he would be saving his planet somehow.
But mostly, the guy was totally messed up in his head. When Pike points at the fact that Romulus exists, Nero screams "I watched it happen! Don't tell me it didn't happen!!" when he already knows he is in the past.
And, of course, revenge is illogical. Surak said: "The spear in your enemy's side is the spear in your own," but Romulans don't follow Surak's teachings, and Nero wasn't one of envisioning a power takeover, since he presented himself as "the last of the Romulan Empire."
If the Romulans followed Surak’s teachings they would’ve done that.
Literally nothing in the JJ reboot really makes any sense. According to to JJ everything is about 10 minutes away and all the tech is already there. Nothing new or special.
Cause he was an idiot. And he's an idiot cause JJ Abrams couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag.
“Cats are brilliant, I want to know what happened to it.” I couldn’t have said it better.
Oh no....Worf got Spot....that doesn't bode well for the cat.
David Bland yeah Geordi probably should’ve taken spot, or maybe O’Brien. He knew Data, and he already has one dead persons cat.
Soooo... I guess you didnt catch all of DS9 because for #2 there was a whole series of episodes where Sisko finds out the prophets possessed Sisko's real mom to have her meet his father and give birth to him. They literally created him, just somewhat indirectly through other people. It was in the first episodes of season 7, specifically 7-01: Image in the sand
Yeah but that never explained *why* they did it. Just *how* they did it.
@@swishfish8858 they did it to save Bajor from the Pah Wraiths! "Your task is almost completed" they say that like 20 times in the final episodes.
Yeah, I thought that was reasonably clear that Sisko's mother had some connection to the wormhole aliens. -Thus Sisko being Emissary.
@@VuotoPneumaNN that doesn't explain why they chose Sisko over a Bajoran though. Yeah they wanted an Emissary to save Bajor but that's not why they chose him
@@spartansam6322 They birthed him on earth to keep him safe from the occupation.
Worf goes "I will feed it...and if it scratches me, it will feed me!" lol
The prophets didn’t choose Sisko. They literally created Sisko. His mother was a prophet, who had loved and married Siskos father.
Exactly.
Well, his mother was possessed by a Prophet, until The Sisko was born... so, sorta.
That's what I gathered from watching the show... That the 'Prophets' live outside of linear time and so Sisko's entire existence was a literal 'prophecy'.
His father fell in love with a woman who walked away from both him and Sisko not after Ben's birth saying she didn't understand what had happened.
It is not implied, but stated a wormhole alien had possessed her.
So, in order for this to happen the Prophets set up a paradox, simply to save themselves....
It's actually quite interesting to re-watch the scenes with Sisko and the Prophets (great name for a band, by the way) across DS9's Seven series with that knowledge. A lot of the interactions take on a different meaning when you apply the Prophet's motives and Sisko's sacrifice...
The episode was Image in The Sand where it is revealed that his mother was one of the Prophets.
@@TheYorkMan Well they DID keep saying,' You are OF Bajor!'
There's one scene in ST2 where during Kahn's attack you see all the people in engineering running in one direction and a quick shot of Peter Preston going in the other direction and climbing a ladder. I can't remember if this was a cut scene or what but it was mentioned that Peter was the one responsible for getting Auxiliary Power back online and allowing Enterprise to return fire.
Scotty also said he refused to leave his post.
Remember that everytime you need auxiliary power shunted in STO lmao
So, the lesson is, never edit a Star Trek movie, include every bit of footage filmed onscreen. The only thing on the cutting room floor should be highly waxed linoleum.
Umm...yeah! We want as much good footage as possible to make the stories more complete! Now go back to watching Star Wars!!!!
Also Peter Preston being Scotty's nephew has been in the ABC broadcast version since the 80s and the director's cut from 2002.
I was like... "Because he's his nephew!" the entire time... I couldn't figure out how I knew... Thank you for solving that mystery for me! My dad recorded all the movies (and the show) off the television.
That was a wizard reveal!
Escape to Witch Mountain.”
The full scene of PRESTON and SCOTTY was in the theatrical version.Perhaps it was deleted in the UK becouse he was a SCOTTY ?!!
@@jamesburnsfisher3304 It was also on at least one of the early VHS releases, since our copy had it. It seems like the ST movies get weird things cut from releases. Like my original VHS copy of STIV and the scene with Chekov waking up and saying his rank was Admiral, Kirk had a witty comment about it, but I've seen several versions where that comment is just cut for no reason.
I remember the same. He was introduced to Kirk with great pride and when "he stayed at his post when all the trainees ran" he was Scotty's grief personified. That's (imho) why Scotty carried Preston to the bridge instead of sickbay: he was dying of chemical burns and needed to know why. He saw Kirk was still fighting and could say goodbye. "Is the word given, Admiral?" Deeply touching. No recriminations, no despair, a brave man finishing his duty.
Awwwww why on earth did they edit out the Data remembrance scene 😩😠
No doubt! That is a very touching scene that would have been an improvement to the many crappy pointless scenes that ruined the movie!
That Colonel West is a slippery one, changing his appearance like that...
OH MY GOD THAT WAS A FOUNDER THE WHOLE TIME
Almost as if he shifted his shape… like a you know.
Odd,
Definitely
Odd.
Cornel West.If he was a Star Fleet O-6, his rank would be Captain.
It was in the VHS release.
Fucking hell love this r.i.p Rene
Scotty's nephew's last words - that were cut - were, "It was ... a Fantastic Journey."
As someone who has personally experienced it, I can say that remotely stopping and starting the heart is not a very effective torture method. You just faint painlessly and wake up again with mild confusion.
I imagine you'd be correct. Therefore we could assume that the *Method* used to stop the heart was torturous, not the heart stopping that was torturous.
@@chetton8188 Plus maybe the fear that it won't be restarted...
they completely explained why Sisko was the emissary. You clearly didn't watch the final season.
I didn't like the canon explanation. It appeared to be something just tossed in at the start of Season 7 with no prior context. I think it would have been better if it were revealed earlier on, maybe Season 3 and then used to continue to guide the show and evolve the history.
Don't forget, in the Pilot when Sisko enters the Wormhole, the Wormhole Aliens are like "who the fuck are you" to him when they should have known right away he was part prophet.
@@BrianD0313 mostly because they really don't have it planned out from start to finish. since they could be cancelled at any time really.
"Nero and the Romulans" were a little known music group playing bad covers of Beasty Boys songs in lounges through the period.
OOooh, that's brilliant!
The "slug" was a Ceti eel as revealed in Star Trek 2 : Wrath Of Khan
I've seen all of these due to owning the VHS releases & director's cuts DVDs. I also love special features & commentaries.
Actually, the Colonel West scene was added into Star Trek VI upon its original home video release including VHS, Laserdisc, and two DVD releases (the Special Collector's Edition has additional fine-tuning by director Nicholas Meyer).. The theatrical cut wasn't released on video until 2009.
Thanks, I thought I was going mad or having a Mandela Effect moment - I KNEW that I had seen that scene on VHS ... When I was about 19-20... So 27 Years ago!!! No DVD back then...
I've watched that movie since I was a kid in the 90s, and that scene was always in it for me.
"Wesley, show us on the doll where the traveller touched you"
Haha lol
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Lmao!!
"Wes, lemme show you what I mean by inner space."
-The Traveller
At 4:52
Riker: you mean to tell me we've seen this before?
Geordi: at least a dozen times.
Adam you can be memeable.
Thing is, did we need to know exactly how Kirk beat the Kobiashi Maru? Surely seeing him beat it in such a blase fashion was enough considering the sheer fact he cheated was talked about in the Wrath of Khan so the fact he still did it in the altered timeline should have just been an indicator that his "I don't like to lose"(that was his explanation in 'Khan)/ "I don't believe in 'no win scenarios'" attitude was a part of his destiny no matter what you did to his past.
Can we just get extended editions with these deleted scenes added to at least the films now? That would be amazing!
I'm all for that. Now that we have home entertainment, we can pause/stop whenever it's convenient.
When Winn becomes Kai she actually says that she once asked Kai Opaka why a non-believer would be chosen to be Emissary she says Opaka said you shouldn't look into the eyes of your own gods. So that concept is still actually given in the series. But I think that is more of a surface level to it all.
Though I think Sisko is the Emissary because he always was the Emissary. The Prophets don't even know about the concept of linear time and always have a hard time comprehending it. They didn't even know linear beings existed until they met Sisko (which is itself hard to wrap your head around but hey).
In visions Sisko sees Opaka's Pah who tells him that "we are of Bajor" when pressed she explains "YOU are of Bajor"
Because the Prophets also made Ben. Since they are not bound to our concept of time once they knew Ben existed they knew it was them who created him in the first place. It gets kind of gross when they take over a mortal woman for a time and use her body to create Ben...
Ben is concerned about Bajor, so the Prophets are concerned about Bajor, so they assert themselves through time because they don't know how to do so in a linear way. So the more Ben grows to care for Bajor, the more the Prophets end up embedding themselves benevolently in the culture throughout time.
It is really fascinating. :)
Yeah, it's all a predestination paradox. Sisko was the first linear being to meet the Prophets even though the Prophets has done things in our past. But since the Prophets are non-linear, our past is not their "past." Our past can be their "future" and our future can be their "past." Essentially, Sisko met the Prophets in their "past," then they affected our past in their "future" by creating Sisko.
They do now about linear beings, Sisko's birth was engineered by one of them posing as his mother. And as you said, they don't experience time linearly, so there's no "before they met him".
Ya, I was about to say that line was actually in the show. It's a pretty glaring omission by this video.
Its obvious to me that the prophets are Bejorans. Any race that survives long enough turns into all powerful energy beings, Q, the Dowd, Wesley... The prophets locked the path wraith away in the fire caves and built the holy temple. They care about the fate of the Bejorans the same way you or I would care about our ancestors not being screwed with before they had their kids. They exist in all time. They know which parts are required because it isn't just the future, it is past and present. Their own.
@@AnonEyeMouse So, basically Valis. I love it.
Nothing was confusing about the car scene in Trek 09.
7:48 Sorry Adam, but I saw The Undiscovered Country back in... Jesus, I was young... That's all I can say - And I don't know when the Extra Scene with West was removed, But .. well, It was on the VHS releases here in the UK... or at least at some point it was! My best guess wold be that they released one for the Rental Markets and later edited that scene out for the Bought Copies... And then its been pit back again since 2004 like you said.
What a sodding strange state of affairs though...
When it came out on video that year, it was on the Laser Disc and VHS copy..
Yeah when I first saw it in theater it was also in the movie. The part that got my attention was the voice of Michael Dorn saying "this isn't Klingon blood"
My understanding is that those scenes were included for the version that ran on television in the year or so following the movie's theatrical release - here in Canada it ran on "The Movie Network" with those scenes in the early nineties. That was the only version I had ever seen so was confused when I saw the theatrical version in a theatre in 2016.
@@adamlytle2615 Very possible... I know I saw them on VHS in the UK, but I do recall seeing the movie first on TV
being a person with a deep imagination ...I always wondered what happened too Wesley , thank you so much for clearing that up .. my mind can rest now concerning this cleared up cliffhanger
I never found half of these samples confusing or unfinished. There’s plenty of movies where things aren’t spelled out but it’s implied.
I agree, that's part of the fun of it all. 🙂 We need to anylize, and discuss, and use our Human imagination. Maybe I'm just too into Star Trek? Nah. 🙂
" Why, it's Col. West!!" " Yea, and I would have gotten away with it , if it wasn't for Captain Kirk and his meddling crew!!!"
( it was a Scooby doo moment.)
2009 Star Trek was a cut up mess.
@Ryan Claus I don’t care who it’s made for specifically. I think when movies have to spell it out for the slow ones it hurts the story and writing process. People rely too much on from told something these days. Many movies these days just don’t have the writing it once had. Sometimes i weep for the species of how much explanation needs to be addressed. Then again I made that statement a year ago so again a year ago who gives a shit
Oh #3, scotty's nephew, wasn't a deleted scene. I saw that in the theaters, that talk with Kirk and Scotty. I think it was removed just for television back in the day, to fit for commercials, then was never reinserted
Exactly. His nephew tells Kirk that if he can’t see the Enterprise is the best ship in the fleet then he’s as blind as a Tyberian Bat. Scotty then explains that it’s his sister’s youngest, eager to get to space.
I copied a extended version off of the air. It was the first time I saw the extended discussion between Kirk, McCoy, and Spock about the genesis device. It also had more interaction between Kirk and Preston. Ah fond memories.
That scene as far as I knew was always there. So, when I saw it wasn't by watching tv or whatever, I got so angry that to this day I have to leave the room and co e back after the scene is over.
I'm pretty sure that the revelation that the "Klingon" Scotty shot in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered country was Colonel West / Rene was in there along. I don't think I've even seen that movie in the last 16 years, and I remember that aspect of it well.
The scene was cut from the theatrical release, but has been reinstated in all home video releases except for the 2009 DVD / Blu-Ray release, which was the first time the theatrical cut was put on video..
@@NickMichalak Yeah, that makes sense. I would have been 12 when it came out in theaters in 1991, so I probably didn't see it until it came out on video the next year or whenever.
I’m fairly certain it was in the theatrical release as I remember it from the 90s. Also, so was the scene in Wrath of Khan where Scott says it’s his sister’s youngest, eager to get to space.
@@snjdualsport7125 It was, at least for the first showings. It was part of the movie when I saw it on its opening night and then, some time later during an IMAX showing, it had been cut.
I remember that Colonel west one in the theatrical release.
The version I saw of Wrath of Khan included the scene of the kid being Scotty's nephew
Yes the VHS 📼 Copy
SHUDDUP WESTLEY! LMAO!
I crack up every time you say YEET!
Operation Retrieve and the Colonel West reveal at the end are in the original home video releases from the 1990s. It was only absent from the theatrical cut and broadcast versions. The 2009 blu-ray is the theatrical cut, which doesn't include it.
to be quite specific, it was Vedek/Kai Winn Who said that when she asked Kai Opaca why it is that an outsider would be chosen as the emissary, her response was that one should never look into the eyes of one's own Gods. she responded that she would give anything to look into their eyes. I don't remember what she said that Opaca's response was, but the point is that the statement was clearly made in the show.
Spot 2.0 in Picard. Nice nod to the original spot 😉
I saw Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan on the big screen. It was clear since the first meeting that he was Scotty's nephew.
You are correct! I remember very clearly understanding that he was Scotty's nephew.
"My sister's youngest, Sir...CRAZY to get to space!"
Me and my brother went to the cinema to watch Nemesis and it showed the scene near the end of the film where Picard got that new captains chair with the restraints and he says "it's about time". When I came to get it on DVD, that scene wasn't in and was a deleted scene. Me n my bro were so annoyed! Did anyone else notice this???
I've hoped for many many years to have an Extended/Directors cut of Nemesis as most of the deleted scenes would have made it a better film. Especially the one mentioned here about Geordi and Worf going through Data's things.
The relationship between Sisko and the Prophets was actually explained very well. There was at least one episode dedicated almost completely to that. His biological mother was inhabited by the spirit/mind/pah/whatever of a Prophet specifically to get it on with Joseph Sisko and produce Benjamin Sisko. I think that's a fairly thorough explanation of why they "chose" him-he was half Prophet and was formed and manipulated by them for the specific task of defeating the pah wraiths.
I think with the Abrams Star Trek films you need to gloss over a lot of stuff to enjoy them
Colonel West was in the original version of Star Trek VI. There is a piece of dialogue that they have removed from the original version. When we see the blood is red (yes Kilngon blood was pink in the original version) Colonel Worf says "this is not Klingon blood" just before removing the mask and revealing Colonel West.
Feed the cat? If you can keep Worf from eating your cat, that's an unqualified WIN.
The scene with Scotty was a surprise for me when I watched a director's cut about 15 years ago. So many people still aren't aware of it
That was not a SLUG it was a Ceti Eel shown in STAR TREK 2 THE WRATH OF KAHN
Wesley wasn't a prisoner to the Traveler, he can go where he wants. GEEZ lol
JJ Abrams killed Trek, his vision of Trek makes no sense and no matter how many deleted scenes are restored, the 2009 Trek will never make any sense whatsoever.
Even calling it a "vision" for ST gives that guy too much credit. I saw the 2009 moovie in cinema and left it with the feeling of being punched into my balls.
Because it is set in an alternate universe, it made sense to me and I have been a fan since 1966 (I was in high school, and yes I am old). I really enjoyed the movies.
J J was confused he thought he was doing Star Wars.
Over the course of DS9 the Prophets reveal to Sisko that they sent one of their number to possess his mother. The prophets don’t understand past-present-future; they exist at a level where everything is happening right now. As a result Sisko was always going to be their chosen, because he had always been chosen.
The prophet that took over his mother’s life gave birth too him, so he was not entirely human either. And that was why he was able to remain with the prophets at the end of the series run.
If the writers originally said it was what the cut scene you cited said, they changed their minds radically later on.
For those people saying Images in the Sand explained why Sisko is the Emissary you are incorrect. That only explained how, not why. It is explicitly stated that his mother didn't love his father, which means he was singled out specifically. The mother/Prophet most likely didn't randomly point at the night sky to pick a random planet, the randomly pick any old schmuck off the street. They never explained why it had to be Siskos father specifically. Save for the idea that to them and the way they experience time Sisko was always the Emissary. So they participated in what was essentially a self-fulfilling paradox. That was never really explained though.
In the novelization of Star Trek II describes Peter Preston repairing a coolant leak in Engineering while the other Cadets broke under pressure. And he’s a Cadet.
In Star Trek : Generations, when a coolant leak happened (After the defeat of the Duras sisters), all Geordi (who’s the ChEng) does is say, “Nothing I can do!!”
Geordi’s torture is a callback to the torture he received as Kunte Kinte in roots when the slave master that owned him was trying to get him to accept his new identity.
# 3 The computer brought the turbo-lift to the bridge instead of sick bay because of Kirk wanting to go to engineering.
I can say only one thing.......read the books that continue after nemesis.
Actually a cool little Easter egg in Star Trek was when Nero used the "Ceti eel" on Captain Pike. This is a nod to Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan when Khan used a "Ceti eel" on Captain Terrell and Commander Chekov to torture them.
Partly due to Khan and his crew being abandoned on Ceti Alpha V. And also the creature wiped out some of his crew including his wife I think she was Marla McGivers or something like that.
7:17 In the original scene from the theatrical release when he lands on the ground Worf said "thats not...
This scene was also present on the The Undiscovered Country Laser Disc Widescreen edition; I had that along with the elite laser disc of Who Framed Roger Rabbit with the shot of Jessica Rabbits "kitty" when she was thrown outta the taxi. Later versions didn't have that.
I SWEAR TO GOD the BBC's original cut back in the 90s that I recorded and researched endlessly HAS the Colonel West sniper scene. All the subsequent ones I've ever scene televised or on DVD do not and I never knew why.
The deleted KLINGON/ROMULAN scenes from STAR TREK are available on the internet. They are very good and should have been included in the movie.
I distinctly remember the Colonel West reveal in the LaserDisc of ST6.
I've seen the directors cut of the Wrath of Khan they should've left in the scenes with Scotty's Nephew they also cut out a part where Scotty Bones and Kirk are in sickbay and Scotty and Kirk added a bit more than just Scotty saying
"He stayed at his post when the trainees ran"
Nero! I feel a Screen Rant pitch meeting would best describe his absence in true JJ fashion!
To paraphrase the Joker, "he was at home, washin' his tights!"
The phonecall to young Kirk from his angry stepfather in the car was self-explanatory. Sisko's mother was a Bajoran prophet who chose his father as a human mate, unknown to Sisko Sr. until years later. After Sisko's birth she left. So obviously Sisko was half-human, half-Bajoran prophet.
The Col West thing has been in every viewing I've ever sen of Trek 6 on home media. I can't say for sure if I saw it in theater, but I know it didn't surprise me when I bought the VHS.
I always wondered where Nero was supposed to be in The Next Generation timeline. I understand we wouldn't know ourselves as the Romulans would be good at keeping such secrets, but I'm interested in how easy it was for Nero to get a ship and travel back in time while all the stuff we see in Picard is supposed to have been going on
There was a comic released right before the film as a prequel called "countdown" that explains it. It may not be considered hard canon anymore but it's the best we have at the moment.
It's been years since I read it.
Basically Nero's ship is a mining barge and after the Romulan star explodes he infiltrates a Romulan military base called "the forge" or something like that where the Tal Shair was experimenting with applying Borg technology to their own ships. Probably similar to "the artifact" we see in STP.
Nero steals it and applies it to his mining barge turning it into that massive warship. He has a run in with the enterprise E who is commanded by Data and is almost stopped but Data is forced to make a choice between letting Worf die or Nero go.
Nero then goes after Spock.
There's a bunch of politics in it as well where Spock is working with Nero and the Vulcan high command behind the back of the federation trying to prevent the supernova.
I so like your insightful knowledge of the world of Star Trek. You have answered a few things I have wondered about. Thanks. LOOKING FORWARD to Discovery season three, I will look for your reviews.
My dog looks like he needs vitamins...you good?
For #3, there are some new versions of that movie in which they include that little bit of dialogue. And you're right. It adds a whole new level of depth to that sad situation.
Weird, the part about Scotty's nephew has been in every version I have seen, even the VHS one.
Worf adopt Spot?! I thought he was allergic to cats - at least I remember him sneezing in that scene when Data entrusted him with the cat...
And speaking of Spot - that cat kept switchjing genders quite a bit - male in one episode, female in the next.
I saw that Geordie torture scene on the theatrical cut that came out in America when I was a kid, freaked me out.
#10 - Generations torture scene, OMG I SAW THIS SCENE in theaters and nobody ever believes me! I remember when it came out on tape I bought it of course and rewatched it and it was like "Wait a minute...." and everyone told me I must have imagined it. There must have been a new cut rushed out to theaters or maybe I just saw it at a theater that had it before many others but I've felt crazy about for years now.
This whole movie was torture.
@TrekCulture
First time, long time.
I remember watching that movie in the theater The Wrath of Khan. And in the movie theater here in America they did mention that that was Scotty's nephew.
Everyone knew that that wasn't a deleted scene thing.
The Col. west reveal was in every version I’ve seen.
Christ, that scene from Star Trek (2009) would have helped make sense of why ships in starfleet were so much more ...militarized and powerful, like why would they be building that dreadnought from Star Trek: Into Darkness, that and Khan designing the weapon systems on it. Knowing the klingons had access to the Narada makes a lot more sense. I mean they had an augment working on it, and all this advanced tech that was period inappropriate from the tv series all now kind of makes sense.
They really ought to stop deleting really important plot scenes like that.
I did see the Col. West reveal at the end of Trek VI in the theater. His earlier appearance wasn't in it, but his Scooby Doo moment was.
I read almost all of the books to the Star Trek movies, so I was able to understand most of the deleted scenes that you mentioned. I think one or two might have not been in the books or it has been so long that I don't remember them anymore. My only regret is that I couldn't read Into Darkness, but that is because I'm not even sure they made a book for it. I never could find it anywhere for purchase or at a library to borrow. That is very weird, but whatever.
I just realised this means that in the Kelvin TL, Kirk can drive (sort of, I guess?) whereas in TOS "A Piece of the Action", Prime Kirk has never driven a car and, as Spock comments, his driving skills leave much to be desired! 😁
Wow, he was supposed to join them on Titan? The books are super into little easter eggs like that, but they definitely conveniently forgot about Wesley.
Fantastic video well researched, brilliant as always. Please never stop.
"Wrath of Kahn" had more family drama than most people know. Peter Preston was Scotty's nephew. David was Kirk's son. The character played by Judson Scott was Khan's son (source: Some interview with him I read once. Star Log magazine, I think.) Saavik was half-Romulan (source: Can anyone find this? Before the movie's release, there was a TV special promoting it, in which Spock tells Kirk "She is half-Romulan, Jim." Not in the movie.) The implication is strong that Saavik is Spock's daughter by the Romulan Commander.
Saavik is not Spock's daughter. Remember the scene in the next film on Genesis, it would have been incest. Saavik also became pregnant but the reveal scene was removed from The Voyage Home.
@@ameliashephard2876 Cool! Do you know the content of the reveal scene?
I don't know about the majority of the rest of you people but I remember that Cornel West pets in the VHS version of the movie that my oldest brother had. So when I started to watch him and it wasn't showing that part I was like what the hell why they cut important part out. I always knew it was Cornel West because I always love hearing worf's voice saying this isn't Klingon blood.
And for more hard Trek fans everyone would notice that Cornel West was played by Odo.
Okay second edit also in that same VHS pack that I talked about about Cornel West being the Klingon that Scotty shot in Star Trek 2 you'll find out that it's Scotty's nephew in the VHS version I had so I always knew it.
I’ve probably watched this dozens of times but I’m just now noticing...did he really say that the concept of Borg nanites was a thing as early as Generations?
Sounds like Star Trek 2009 had a-lot more plot development that was left off.
The whole reveal of Col. West in the end of The Undiscovered Country was on the VHS release of the film when it first came out for me.
DS9, when broadcast on the Beeb in the UK, was Thursdays. Sundays was Voyager. Weds was Next Gen.
thanks for answering questions that have been on my mind for years about star trek. what a bloody shambles they created. (peter newbrook not josephine)
The kid that died in Star Trek II was not some random Junior officer. He was commander Scott's nephew. I thought that was plainly obvious in the movie all along.
I knew about all of them except for 3. Who adopted spot which is he say was not that big of a deal but didn't know that. Now deleted scenes like that from Star Trek would have made more sense of what the romulans were doing for like 20 years until Spock arrived. I also knew about the Wesley Crusher deleted scene but I did not know in the scene he said he was going to join Riker and Troi on the Titan and I did not know that Beverly Crusher was going back to Starfleet medical at the end of the movie. Good job Adam good job
Who took out the Scooby Doo ending to Star Trek VI? It was in the version I saw in the cinema and then in the one I watched way too many times on VHS. It explains why there was a point made to show pepto bismal Klingon blood. And it gave Rene Aberjeanoir one more chance to "shapeshift".
I've seen the deleted scene from Star Trek VI when I saw it in the theater. I was a little surprised when it was absent from home release.
Thanks for this video. I clears up a lot of stories.
Abrahm’s Kirk drives a car, and yet in the original series Kirk didn’t know how to drive a car because they didn’t have them in the future (episode: A Piece of the Action). That pre-dates the Abraham’s new timeline.
Maybe he just couldn't drive a flivver.
The film is a different timeline.
Thanks for caulking up the cracks...it makes a more solid structure...
Technically, since Data died, Spot owns Worf now.
There was a comic book mini that explained Picard making a deal with Q to end Wesley's travels with the Traveller and send him back to school.
What was the title? I would really like to read it.
Nero was on Rura Penthe for 25 years, just waiting for Spock to appear out of the worm hole!
His ship was also regenerating damage sustained from the collision and subsequent Klingon attack.
@@Bitchslapper316 Well that's a gimmie!
Didn't they also film a scene for Nemesis where Wesley Crusher turned out to be married? To that girl he worked together with against the threat of that computer game to which the whole crew had become addicted?
As for Spot, it was never quite settled whether he/she was a cat or a tom, right? There are episodes where Spot is referred to as "he", but in another "she" has kittens...And I'm astonished that Worf decided to adopt Spot because I thought he was allergic to cats (in that episode where he is asked by Data to look after Spot, he gives a sneeze when in close proximity of the cat).
Uhm, we had the internet when DS9 was coming out.
I remember vividly, because that's when I was watching B5 (not DS9) and I caught up on the first two seasons that I'd missed by reading about them on the internet.