Peugeot 208 oil pressure fault Wetbelt replacement worst I've ever seen PSA engine 1.2 3 cylinder
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- This is a video on the Peugeot 208 PSA 3 cylinder wet belt I replaced - it had an oil pressure issue then we found 31 teeth missing from the belt and the strainer was packed and blocked solid - every thing was cleaned, repaired and replaced - one very lucky customer and a car saved and back on the road.
if you have this engine and experience oil pressure issues, get you wet belt checked asap.
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How the idea of wet belts ever got off design pages is beyond me.
Planned obsolescence at its best (or worst). Ford is doing the same thing.
I totally agree and there are other dumb ideas like smart alternators the wreck batteries, direct injection that eventually leads to the need for de-coking, we're going backwards.
@@paulmarwood4325 The greenest way would be continually refine an existing good engine to eliminate any failure prone parts and make them last longer and perform better. Couple that with better corrosion protection then cars need replacing less often, reducing emissions from continuous manufacture.
Every new engine to meet ever changing standards has new design features and emissions control devices and none of these make them more reliable.
But all this is moot because industries want to make money from 'going green', so now of this is in their interest.
@@paulmarwood4325 Also, on the subject of gdi - we all now know that direct injection leads to coking. So rather than revert to the tried and tested port injection technology (which is very efficient in itself), manufacturers add additional port injectors back into the engines design to work with the gdi systems and fix the coking issues. Why? Why have twice as many components and a more failure prone high pressure fuel system when it would work perfectly fine with the old method?
Sometimes it seems like we are going backwards or ignoring obvious real shortfalls in favour of some theoretical or 'ideal world' perceived benefits.
@@deanh7032 yes, I'd heard about these extra port injectors, totally daft just to cure a problem that need not have existed in the first place, the problem I think is that those euro eco scientists that keep trying to set lower and lower emissions fail to see the bigger picture, in trying to meet these new standards manufacturers are having to overcomplicate things that eventually makes everything worse than it was before, just my thoughts.
Never mind 31 teeth missing the cam belt had 8 teeth in a row missing.
How that section of the belt got around the small crank pully numerous times is a miracle.
Very lucky customer.
Who needs teeth?!? Maybe that'll be the next big money saving innovation..
That made me laugh 😂😂 wireless cam shaft technology next 😂
These are non interference engines so even if the belt snaps or jumps it wont do any damage to vales etc.
@@torqueautomotivebedford Don't laugh. I remember seeing someone experimenting with electric solenoids operating the valves about 30 years ago, it may have been Honda, as they were still improving V TEC. They couldn't get them to reliably pulse fast enough at high rpm, and we know what would happen with piston to valve clearance on a Honda engine.
Every industrial belt manufacturer ever: "Never lubricate timing belts. Keep dry."
PSA: "Hold my wine."
Ford Eco-something 1.0 3cyl. was first I believe .. Next iteration of this PSA mixer will get back to timing chain I read. But then they will add a GPF in the exhaust (a DPF analog for gasoline engines).. I will never put my money on such a joke of an engine no matter what..
Honda even did it with their 1.0l 3cyl engine and guess what, it's the most unreliable engine Honda have ever made.
Hold my wine 😂😂😂 class!
Wet belts are the worst idea any engineer ever had.
Engineer????🤣
More likely that a bean counter came up with it!
@@NicholasStreet EXACTLY!
This is why in Ford, the EcoBoost engine has been named the 'EcoBoom'! Great video and car owner really lucky to find such a competent garage...
Peugeot this mate
@@Theorangeman. "This is why IN Ford..." LOL I know this video is about a Peugeot, (says so in title) but the same engine is also used in Fords...
@@stephenm5000 never seen this engine in a ford buddy. Eco boost is just something else and also shit
@@Theorangeman. Fair point, I should have clarified I meant an engine that uses the awful, 'wet belt' system...
@@Theorangeman. Pretty similar to this one mate.
You used the word ‘spannering’. That’s makes you 100% alright in my book. I use it and get odd looks. This and the Ford Ecoboom engines must be the worst I’ve ever known. Kudos to you for having the presence of mind to remove the oil pan. It’s a must with these pieces of crap! Nice job 👍🏻
Unbelievable this engine survived. I had a 308 and am still on the FB group and see many puretechs fail on a weekly basis with less damage to the belt.
Great video thanks for showing us whats entailed
Wet belts horrible
My pleasure! thanks for watching!
In the first place the problem with wet belts is due to a bad sealing, the engine oil gets contaminated with gasoline which makes it a corrosive environment. Chemically affecting the composition of the belt and makes it brittle and accelerates the process of deterioration
fully agree! just a bad idea in general
At least these have a chain for the oil pump rather than another wet belt...
Crap idea but actually doesnt look a terrible job, great video.
that's quite an impressing job you did, more power to you
Thank you
I had a Citroen C3 2016 Puretech 3 cylinders petrol, I had loads of issues with the timing belt on oil and oil pressure! NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!! Now I drive a Fiat 500X Multijet 2 Diesel Engine! a dream engine!!!!! Thanks Fiat!
1.3 multijet good motor but timing chain goes around 80 to 90k it'll start rattling first so that's the warning signs. 😮
Should have got a toyota
@@Theorangeman. no... Only Fiat cars sorry
@@Theorangeman. Agree, I've only bought JAP cars since 1990, total reliability. Currently running a Mazda 3 + a Mazda 2
@@garywinterbottom6073 Pigging bastards to change too.
There is no need to remove the cam gears for this job👍
Great video. Very surprised that it was still running!
Just seems that most 3 cylinder engines currently on the market are rubbish.
Citroen / Peugeot, Fords ECO Boom and BMW MINI to name a few.
Like others on here, running a rubber belt in oil goes against everything we've learnt in engineering 🤦♂️
I know, terrible design but made for a brilliant video!
If you take your car to one of those good garages that up sell you a snake additive that they tell you makes your injun cleaner inside then this makes the older belts fail sooner according to pewgot so pewgot now use a different belt and advise a different oil, me? I walk on by if I lift the bonnet of a car and see this engine there because so mm any are naffed due to oil starvation so get chucked into the auction
Remember even though you might see fully stamped service books from a known garage it still doesn't guarantee the correct lube was added each service because there's still many techs who think oil is just oil, great learning video, thanks for uploading and taking us through the stripdown
Well said!
Interesting job, a bad design but it does look easier to change than many dry belts.
Had a 2017 Peugeot Partner with the same engine. Needed a rebuild after it lost oil pressure at just 20k miles /3 years.
yer, if I didn't need to strip so much out to clean eat then this would have been a nice job, happy to do them day in and out!
Good idea with the phone.. Engine oil must be so good for that rubber 😂
A rubber timing belt exposed to red hot engine oil for years, what could possibly go wrong ?
Well it may surprise you, but you are completely wrong here.
First the oil is far from red hot, otherwise it would become a sludge in no time. The oil operating temperature is in the 90's degC, same as the cooling water. Well, no wonder for that, given how the oil and water galleys are interleaved in the engine block, making quite tight thermal tie between both liquids, serving both making the oil to warm up quicker after a cold start, as well as keeping it from overheating at high loads. Don't get me wrong, the oil gets significantly warmer than that, but only on the few most exposed places, not the general oil mass splashing in the sump.
Second where you think happens to the nearly a kW power losses in the belt drive, mainly at high rpm? You may guess, it turns into heat. And where that heat goes? With a dry belt the only place is the air that happens to flow around, but here it has the oil to cool it down. The oil would be a bit better coolant (for the same surface), than the thin air, I would guess...
And for the belt damage here? I would rather blame either its replacement or general maintenance was far overdue (it all may have started by too low oil flow, so inadequate cooling), or (quite frequent with these cars) inadequate design (too much belt loading for its size, mainly when resonances get excited at lower rpm and higher engine load, it is just a 3 cylinder, so less smoothing and larger impulses from cylinders being rather large, so vibrations are quite strong there) yielding shorter belt life.
So basically they are crap.
@@sharpfluff2222Yes, but a bit worse
I would dispute that the belt shredding is necessarily down to poor maintenance. Usually wet belt systems require oil with specific additives, without which the belt is attacked by the oil and shreds. Any car that strays beyond the main dealer network is likely to be filled from large drum of 10w40 without the necessary additives and that is the root of the problem.
@@bikeman123 I agree the wrong oil (not that much missing additives, but some oil components not compatible with the belt, but that does not matter, either case it is a wrong oil) is the most likely cause Well wrong oil used is a bad maintenance work in my books. Yes, not the user/customers fault but the mechanic who did the maintenance by not using the correct oil.
Second suspect in my books would be a design fault (overloading that belt, mainly dynamic vibrations under specific critical load and rpm combination which was not caught during the design testing), but then it would be rather systematic fault and popping up also on newer cars still under brand dealer warranty care. And so would be a subject of at least some TSB, if not directly a recall... Was not clear from the video if this possibility was checked...
Cracking job 👍
Thanks 👍
Well you made made the belt swop less worrying but sadly my engine is still Donald ducked by this very questionable idea of a wet timing belt (oil burning on 73k 13 plate) bet my filter is full of belt crud as original belt is still on it car is basically scrap. Reman engine is £4k7 plus £1k5 -2k for swap over. Many thanks for your efforts.
Even with the correct oil these are failing well before the replacement interval. Look at all the space to get a nice beefy duplex chain in there... what a missed opportunity. The same can be said for the Ford Eco boom engine....
One of the main problems once these cars come out of warranty, is many garages just fit crap that the likes of Euro Car Parts supply.
Garages can buy the Genuine belt inspection tool and should be checking this on every service the car has (Yearly or 10k, whicever is 1st), not when it hits and oil pressure problem.
These engines are smooth, economic and are made the way they are that enables them to pass emission requirements.
Only Genuine belts should be used on these with Approved Oil and Genuine Oil Filters. (doesnt appear so here?)
Multiple parts such as crank pulley bolts (6 outta and main inner), crank seal, tensioner cover, evap and fuel fump seals should be replaced as a minimum since they are coming off.
Vacuum pump and timing solenoids (x2) have gauze filters that should be inspected, cleaned and have the gaskets replaced also.
People and garage's need to stop cutting corners and blaming the manufacturers for not maintaining these properly.
Hi, thanks for your comment!
so, I mainly agree, we don't cut corners, but we have to work to a customers budget, if we could spend any thing we want and the customer not complain about cost, time and money, then I would change every gasket act.
Also, we don't always have a luxury of getting OE parts delivered, there is no Peugeot main dealer in Bedford!
So we really have to work with the cards we are dealt!
We do our best and that's all can do buddy!
Great idea but have you had a car serviced by a main dealer ever ? I did. I found out instantly why garage trade had a very poor rep but that's a whole other story. Independents tend to be better as they care more for their customers as most people will stick with a good garage . As for OEM parts great if you can get them and/or afford them. As a tech in a very different field learning as issues develop in the field is to often the way with my car the belt /engine is shot but I did not know it was belt in oil until after I had problems and still don't know the official mileage for changing it normally turns out 4 years or 80k which seeing as my engine has 73k it should be good No?
My Aunt bought a Grandland x which has the same engine!!! I told her about the issues these engines have but she went right ahead and bought one second hand from Vauxhall. I said make sure the wet belt has been done and if not she should be able to get it cheaper but she said I have no clue what I'm talking about because the salesman never said anything about it 😲😲😲😲 She's not the sort of person that gives cars a regular oil change and I told her its even MORE important with these trash engines. My Corsa C which I've had from new is 18 years old has a metal chain and is still working perfectly. I popped off the rocket cover last week and the chain it's tight.
Sadly she will find out the worst way. Hate people that dismiss good information
Very lucky owner😮
Great Video. Thank you! I have a question did the new improved timing Belt hold longer, or it's the same catastrophic stuff?
Honestly I haven’t seen any of the new belts fail yet, but still reports of the strainer blocking still so I guess it’s reduced but never fully fixed
I'd like to know more about the bad batch of belts and who made them. I've seen a few reports of failures in pre-2018 cars. Like this video, there is often little info about age, mileage or oil changes. Probably the wrong oil was used in this engine, dissolving the belt, blocking the strainer, thus increasing the friction owing to poor oil supply, resulting in greater strain on the weakened teeth. It's a tribute to its durability that it still ran! There are now hundreds of thousands of this excellent engine clocking up millions of miles and few reports of failure in post-2018 cars. I've got one. I change the oil and filter myself so I know it hasn't come out a garage's cheap barrel of bog standard 0-30.
The belt delaminates even when the correct oil is used , it may last a little longer but they still fail
@@LeeWs1970its belt not a chain so of corse that you need to change him
I didnt say it was a chain
PSA aproved B71 2297, B71 2302, B71 2010 or B71 2312 should be use for this engine.. Other oils will damage the belt..
If you’re going to design engines with wet belts then you might as well just design the engine with a timing chain.
too much logic or that idea
timing chains add 1 pound of weight to the car, and reduces the fuel economy by .080 miles per gallon🤤🤤🤤🤤
Wow how lucky is that it wouldn't been running much longer caught in the nick of time literally. Never thought wet belt was a good idea
Can't stress how close this was to being a top end rebuild
I've got the same engine in a little 108. Changed the timing belt at 50k miles / 8 years. Was expecting it to be like these videos and it was actually extremely good condition (yes it was the Yellow writing Mk1 belt). I think you have to be really on top of the oil changes on wet belt, I've changed at 7k miles since new and never had a single problem. Are people who buy french cars really on top of the maintenance, not so sure.
By the time it's been driven with no oil pressure, its murdered. Crank bearings cam bearings etc. New belt and strainer clean is bolting the stable door too late. Damage already done. It might afterwards make the over 7 psi the pressure sensor wants to see but its realistically shot to bits.
See I agree, but. checked caps act and it looked fine, no scoring or hot spotting, honestly it was a lucky moment, the car still runs, no oil loss, no smoke, its since been in for a service and its just spot on!! lucky I know!!
What was wrong with a chain or the original external cambelt? - I was truly flabbergasted when I first came across the wet belt design in the Ford engine. What a stupid design.
Lol, just leased a Peugeot 3008 with the 1.2 Puretech. Glad its only a 2 year lease. Will definitely not extend beyond 3yrs and the end of the warranty period. Thanks for this video. Honestly a bit shocked.
We was just as shocked!!
Very cool video 👍 one question ❓ how many miles and how old was the car ❓ what is absent nuts.. it's got a chain for the oil pump and a rubber band for the camshaft 🙄
It’s a 2018 on 90k - just shocking condition!
I know from the Ford Ecoboost a special oil must be used, with the C948 spec. Is there something similar to this POS?
Why they never gave it a timing chain is beyond me. Oil + rubber, what could possibly go wrong? Just looking at that arrangement gives me anxiety.
Yer, not the best idea in the world, but the is what we have to work with for now, till then ext day idea
Ford invented this ..worst idea ever@@torqueautomotivebedford
Here is a recall on these but shitroen and poo out are keeping shum
We had a customer with a 15 plate cactus usual low oil pressure codes they bought it from shitroen 10 months earlier after a lot of horseshit from the dealer they eventually did it under warranty
old style timing chain ran over GEARS not sprockets and were lifetime parts. didn't even look like a chain. ABOUT 10 SIDE PLATES cross section.
Yeah, many bikes have them. IIRC called Hyvo, been in use for decades.
Tnx I had a low oil pressure error and am thinking of doing the same thing have any other advise?
I would do it asap! remove the sump also!
if you want my advice get a poly carb box clear of course mount it on your office wall as a reminder to your customer why we check and service these items / with the strainer i would personally throw the old one in the scrap bin
Very good idea! but I have the video to prove this, plus, if they want to ignore it, a rebuild isn't cheap
How many miles on the car??
How did that belt not slip? Amazing!
It will always baffle me!!
ive worked in peugeot dealership, on waranty cras we never checked how bad is the belt, because its more profit to change the whole engine under waranty then to change the belt and flush the engine
Fair, that's the joys of warranty I guess
Great video thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching! drop a sub and stick around!
These wet belt engines are atrocious. I wouldn't consider any car that has one. So many stories of Ford Ecoboost engines failing due to wet belt bits clogging the oil pick up. Such a bad design, you have to ask : Are they designed intentionally to fail?
Some say there is one but I've checked and couldn't see one!
I believe peugeot changed the belt replacement intervals to combat this. They obviously realised that the old time frame and mileage stated in the book was wrong. Personally they should modify them to chain.
Yeah I'm surprised they haven't done a chain retrofit for these wet belt engines, the manufacturers don't seem to bothered as they are nearly almost out of warranty.
@@me.6737 Next iteration will have the chain back.
The interval is now 100k km's, i have rebuild engines with less than 50k km's. What a waste of metal this is
The intervals is 60k and you can get them done under good will, even if they are out on normal warranty
Was the Engine knocking or making a noise before you fixed it?
I've got a death rattle sound with my 1.0L 3Cylinder Engine ie Low Oil Pressure/ EML.
My car starts 1st time and still moves but sounds horrible and engine knocking sound... I KNOW it's fucked but fingers crossed new cambelt, oil pump and water pump does the trick as long as no internal damage :/
Nope, it drove in perfectly bar the oil pressure light!!
Were you able to get your 1.0L fixed? Ive got one with the exact same problems as you. Please let me know what the solution was to getting it fixed
Almost positive I have this issue with my Citroen C5 Aircross. Oil pressure light has come on numerous times plus loss of power. Have it due in to Citroen for a diagnostic on Friday (after over a month). Still runs, but wish I could do this myself. Whats the rough cost for this kind of job? Need to prepare myself for the news lol (even though this should just be done by Citroen for free due to a terrible design)
Roughly £600 bud where are you based?
How much would this cost usually?
Hi, I have the same problem with my Corsa elite 2020. The mechanic said there are parts of the wet belt in the sump blocking oil getting in the engine. The car has the warning sign constantly and starts shaking when driven.
After a diagnostic, the report comes back with over 15 electrical issues including button faults, communication and status of driver and passengers in seats.
Having problems with the dealer on liability. They sold me a car with a terrible belt!
So this is roughly 600…
A corsa is different and would be priced differently bud
But yes the belt blocks the strainer ect
Seems you have a bad egg mate sorry!
How in gods name does this not warrant a recall , heard nothing but horror stories in cars ranging between 2-4 years old and 20,000 - 40,000 miles… main dealers using the oil that’s been used as an attempted cop out.. don’t buy this engine (Vauxhall crossland/x and pug 3008 amongst others , £1200-£2100 (main dealer) to fix a basically new car 😅😮😮😮😮
I am with you! Terrible
Where is the oils pressure switch usually at on Peugeot partners ?
It sure, I would need to have a look, best option is to Google it!! Get a rough idea!
You said you saw the rev counter lifting which means there is oil pressure.... How does oil pressure register rpm ?
Well, when you crank it, when you start getting the rev counter moving, it means its spinning the engine which will generate oil pressure and get oil around the engine!
What was the year of the 208 and how many miles did it have on the clock
90k
I serviced a 2020 Peugeot 2008 today with the turbocharged version of this engine. The car had only covered 20,000 miles, and you could see rubber debris from the timing belt in the oil on the dipstick. These engines are AWFUL.
get the wet belt ready!
I serviced our 2019 Peugeot 2008 1.2 puretech 130 at 20,000 miles last month. The oil was reasonably clean; Castrol Magnatec 0-30, changed by me at 10,000 miles with new Bosch filter. (I don't trust garages to use the correct oil and decent filter). The level was half way (20mm below the full mark) down the dipstick. Assuming one litre from min to max, this translates to 500mls per 10,000 miles - not exactly an oil burner. The cambelt appeared to be in good condition as viewed through the filler. These engines are GREAT! (I have no personal interest in promoting Stellantis). There must be hundreds of thousands of highmilers of these cracking little engines around by now - and very few verifiable reports of post-2018 failures.
That is the risk of a used car without knowing the full history of the car that is very difficult to know as for this occasion.How can the new buyer know that the little pieces of a destroyed belt may had clogged diodes of the engine?The owner will change the belt, change oil and filter and sell it normally but the engine has serious chance to be destroyed at the following kilometers.
I hope people will see this engine for what it is crap do not spend your hard earned. Money on cars with wet belt engines
Di you have a fule pressure sensor fault after
As I rebuilt my x ds4 as blew a pistion as well now have a fule pressure sensor fault
Hi, no, no fun pressure fault. What fault code do you have?
The issue was wrong oil used for this engine, the belt dissolved and started cloaking up the oil pump and all the little canals in the engine. I really recommend doing another oil change within the next 50km to get out all the wrong oil and get out all pieces of the old belt. I hope you did use the correct oil this time. However this engine will not run without the risk of premature failure.
Exactly what I said to the customer! Went over every possibility and they are happy! Just crazy
These fail just like this with the correct oil, I’ve seen only two so far but both with full dealer service history at only 2/3 of the belt interval. I’m sure the wrong oil could make it worse but it’s definitely not just that!
I believe Ford have reverted back to using chains, I wonder if Peugeot have done the same.
I’m having the timing belt change on my 208 next week and am fully expecting both the belt and oil sump to be in this bad condition. :(
ah I hope not, but let us know how it goes!!
Bloody hell! We have had one of these for over 5 years. I had the belt replaced at 78k miles a couple of years ago. It's now on 100k+ and getting an intermittent oil pressure warning light. It is due an oil and filter change, which I'm about to do and I hope that will help but it probably needs the sump taking off and strainer / pick up cleaning out. The question is whether remnants of the old or new belt are the problem. Suspect our car is living on borrowed time now. I know it's a high mileage car now but it's really disappointing and doesn't give you much confidence it's not going to conk out with major engine failure one day soon.
If its due a service, I would get the sump removed and check the strainer!! you have to drain the oil any way! if you are getting oil pressure faults, don't risk it!
dont get duped by the wrong oil argument , seen these fail numerous times with the correct oil. its just an excuse to wiggle out of a warranty on a well known disaster of an engine.
either way, its been fixed and back on road! the oil argument is still ongoing but knowledge is power with this game!
Isn't that a recall through peugeot?
Excellent work. What is the cost of a wet belt change?
I've got a fiesta with a 1l ecoboost that will need its belt changed next year including the oil pump belt, I'm going to do it myself if you go to frauds you won't get much change out of £2k and most independent garages won't do it and I wouldn't trust them to do it correctly anyway
on these, it would have been around 3/400 but this was more as the cleaning and strip down was more!
I've had one of these on a '15 plate for a while, and as fun as it is to drive.....I really, deeply, sincerely regret buying it. Mine has a near-perfect 1 year old cambelt in place at the mo, and I only ever use the recommended oil, ever (0w30, solvent free). I'm anal about it.
But I'm beginning to see some oil usage now at 96k miles, and so do I:
a)strip the head and check the valves?
b)go further down and check the oil control rings?
c)sell it to some unsuspecting buyer?*
d)WBAC?
e)torch it?
*I don't think I can do that. Not fair.
Next time I do the belt, I'll likely do the oil pump too. The problem is that its a tidy, economical, punchy, great handling little eurobox that also looks pretty,
And dont get me started on the EPS.
Do a leak down test to check the rings… could just valve stem seals!!
@@torqueautomotivebedford I will. Many thanks. Update. I took the plugs out yesterday, stuck my cheapo borescope down for a look, and cylinder crowns 1 and 3 are black. A soft deposit that appears like soot on the end of a long cotton bud. The plugs had traces of what looked like used oil on the threads.
Interestingly, the central piston crown is clean. If it had been rings, I’d have expected all 3 to be black,
so I’ll do as you suggest, many thanks.
It’s usually the rocker cover pcv thats the problem with these burning oil. Peugeot were doing these under warranty up to 100 k miles as they know its a proper problem. Terrible cars. My mrs one uses 2 ltrs of oil a month
@@Theorangeman. Thanks, useful. Has your mrs rocker cover pcv not been changed under the warranty scheme you mention?
@@itstheterranaut no coz its up past 100 thou miles. It snapped on 99 thousand miles lol
this is why I stay well away from psa haha but cracking video
Thanks
Same thing happens with Ford eco boom, stay away from wet belts might be the better advice!
I’ve got a 1.2 puretech with a misfire on cylinder two. Could this be the issue? I’ve checked sump area and no bits at in oil pick up or bottom 🤔 belt looks in decent ish condition after looking in oil cap area
I would check plugs or coil pack…
they had a recall for bad sparkplugs, you should check yours first if it was included
Good advice
PSA aren't any better doing chains to be fair DV series is having cam to cam chains now failing now lol.
I had one of those fail in a 2006 Expert with a DW10ATED4 engine. The oil pump drive chain had failed a while before that. Ended up replacing the engine with a much better used one from a breaker's yard.
Clucking Bell, how on earth that motor never shat itself with all those teeth gone, talk about dodging a bullet
It’s a lottery ticket moment really 😂
what miles and age on this Peugeot 208 please if you can remember?
this had 70ish k I think, can't remember as it was a while ago!!
how much did this cost to the customer in the end ?
it was a wile ago but I thin it was around 650!!
The rot started with that horrid affair they had with BMW buying in that Devil "Prince" EP6 and went downhill with the little baby eb series.
If ever there was a advert for NOT making engines with wet cambelts this is it .What was wrong with a normal cam belt or even better a timing chain
Ford have learnt the same lesson with their's
Agree. Some manufacturers seem to have design teams whose brief is to develop the most stupid ideas.
Every manufacturer has this moment… like BMW N47 engine
@@torqueautomotivebedford the n47 and n37 is on another level of quality compared to these things
Engines have been made and developed for well over a hundred years and we still can't get it right. A series engines makes these engines look a joke, imo.
oh I agree, old engines are built and last. the new stuff is just disposable
Any idea what the torque setting is for the sump bolts?
I think they are 10nm or 15... it was low!! I can double check if you like?
Thanks, but I think I've since found it. 12nm, although it wasn't clear if that was for the earlier Prince engine or the Puretech. It seemed to be ok.
That sounded as tho there was a knock when you started the engine.
defo no knocks know what you mean tho, weird noise but its fine and covered 500 miles so far!
I had hyundai accent 1.3 gasoline and you must chang oil evry six months or 7500 km belt you must replay evrey 5 yers or 60000km that are factory statmens the car is still drive its 2001 year with 2500000km on it .
So dont ever leve your car in service but wait and watch i know lot of case were they dont change oil filter if they dont gibve you enterenc in service mark your filter so then you will know if they changit or not
Why do euro engines/cars use torque head bolts.....whats wrong with hex head bolts?
No clue. I guess they do it to cause pain if we slip
Timing belt needs checking at every service.... this is the problem when you use back street garages who don't bother.
Main dealer wouldnt either.
@@timbo19751975 Main dealer should... only takes a few minutes. You can even do it at home.
What should be done vs what is done…. I agree should be checked but clearly it isn’t!!
@@khalidacosta7133 course you can, but 99% of owners havent the foggiest of clues.
All us Mechanics better all get used to these 3 cylinder Peugeot wet belt replacements, as the new Vauxhall Astra and Mokka and possibly other Vauxhall models have this engine fitted under the engine bay.
Yey. Let me hold my self down from the excitement. 😂
They've redesigned the latest version of the engine to use a chain.
Thank god!! It was needed
did you ask the customer which type of oil he used.. B71 2297, B71 2302, B71 2010 or B71 2312 PSA coded oil should be use for this engine.. I m sure he used the wrong oil and thats why the belt worn..
She had the car serviced at a main dealer for most of its life, the last 2 services at independents!
They will keep time with an astounding number of teeth missing i ca not remember how many teeth can be missing before its terminal . Pugford fiat have all done the same and gone wet belt oops left the othere big bugger vw trhow the strainer put a new one in
I cleaned it and it was fine, its since been back in for an oil change just in case missed any thing! but its amazing how it stayed in time!
huh, oil pressure fauits on the non-turbo engine, never seen issues with the 1.2 engine on the peugeots , thats for the non-turbo versions, the turbo versions have this issue constantly
source: I work as a Peugeot/opel/DS tech
Oh you must see loads of these
@@torqueautomotivebedford Unfortunately yes, Peugeot had a recall for the timing belt issuies,. we had quite aliot of 1.2 turbo engines that had to get their belts replaced, oil pans taken off and clean the pickup etc, oh well it is what it is haha.
Car is running fine, now just sell it while it's still OK. Low oil pressure made a damage to engine components for sure, don't be the one to pay for it. Moral of the story, don't buy Peugeot 1.0, Ford 1.0 or ANY other engine with wet belt.
I agree with not buying a car with a wet belt!
And why I'm going with Honda / Toyota / Mazda (Corolla Touring Sport). They can do innovative and complex, and be reliable.
Ford started to use wet driving belt and it was a disaster. then PSA thought it was a good idea, and it's even more of a disaster, they are going back to drive chains. But then, the main issue with their driving belt was the leaky segmentation at low temperatures. Have they fixed that? Can granny still use her 308 and not break down on her weekly shopping trip?
They use tiny engines with big boost. How good are the turbos? Because when these things break, they can take out everything and throw metal pieces everywhere.
They add all sorts of 'anti-pollution' systems that cannot cope with some specific use cases, and need to be driven constantly to not fall apart, diesel or petrol.
I'm done with this. I've got your anti-pollution system right here. Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive. An extremely reliable and mechanically simple system that's been mocked since the first days of the Prius, and is proving to be the most reliable and efficient drive train, coupled with good old fashion naturally aspirated engine running at 40% efficiency. Honda have a very good hybrid system as well.
So yeah. Manufacturers are being pushed towards electric cars, and can now put all their problems on the consumer. Sure, they'll be pretty much as reliable as their batteries, but it's a pain outside very specific uses cases. And not everyone will be able to recharge their cars at the same time, all the time. The electric grid can barely cope as it is, the prices will go up, already, on motorways, electric recharges are not even competitive with petrol. Batteries will improve, making old electric vehicles obsolete, and driving consumerism to unsustainable levels again.
amazing statement bud.
I agree with this!
That is happennig when you dont change your aiol and filter on time same was with belt .
Just do right service and engin will last
this had good service history!
@@torqueautomotivebedford but qestion was if they realy change it or not in this engin you must take 0w20 oil my wife has 2021 opel corsa with this pure tech engine
I'm 63, I've seen the best of motor industry innovations back in the day and now the worst.
What on earth was wrong with chains❓
Then some genius decided a rubber toothed belt was better, hmmm❓but at least it was accessible-ish @ short intervals.
Now the lunatics have been employed in the R&D department and decided to put a belt made from a compound that is degraded by oil, HOT oil at that 🤬
And for those who call me an out of touch old fart, would you be OK with spraying WD on a squeaky suspension bush❓
If they can use a chain in this unit as well then why not use a chain throughout❓
I fully agree!
how many hours would this job take?
with out removing sump eat 4/5h with strip and clean, 6/7h
Imagine if this engine had a timing chain... would be so good! Why PSA why? 🙈
IF it had a chain I'm sure that would fail also!! this is like the modern day N47 BMW engine!
How much did this job cost?
Think it was around 600 but can’t remember
Absolutely a disgrace how can a manufacturer get a way with this
This is only the half of what we see.
New bolts on the cam pullies? The general rule is that if there is an angle setting given it’s a torque to yield bolt and hence they are one time use stretch bolts.
I checked Haynes and couldn't see that they are replacement bolts. Also no new bolts in the kit.
I agree that its good practise to replace them!
@@torqueautomotivebedford Not that Haynes is always the best source of info ;)
Inclusion in the kit isn’t always an indicator either I’ve found - do a lot of Renault work and the crank bolt is absolutely a one time use yet is rarely included in kits…
Should be fine here. Unless it’s rod bolts, you can “usually” get away with one reuse.
If the bolts are black ones they need renewing
@@Theorangeman. Although colour isn’t always an indicator either - again with the TTY Renault crank pulley bolt, they’re silver ;)
@@froggy0162 true
The same faults with transits and probably every other ‘wet belt’ on the road. Might also be affected by the oil type and makes used. Whatever it is the stupidest idea ever to come out of the combined automotive industry. I will never buy any car or van with a wet belt, chain wear and break guides, dry belts wear but last their stated life unless they get ‘oil ‘ unto them or abused.
And the ecoboom’s! Terrible idea!
IF they wanted them to last they'd design them like TRUCK ENGINES but smaller. but if MUGGS BUY THEM whilst designed to fail why bother
Buy a toyota honda or suzuki 300,000 miles no hassle
What was the mileage of Peugeot?
90k
No one told the designer that he was supposed to use a chain
they had a designer??? LOL
Why oh why do manufacturers use a rubber timing belt inside an enclosed timing cover lubricated by engine oil..what is the point!!!
Timing chain should be used.
Timing belts should be dry and external ...Stupid idea and that is the result as in your strip down...I may be missing the point !!!!!!!!!!!
This is what puts me off buying a newer transit the 2.2 duratorq was much better with chain drive engine. 😅
I would take a chain all day long over this!
@@torqueautomotivebedfordnewer 2 litre transits are dreadful, the belts fail before 100,000m but the change isnt due until 140,000m
Might go poor oil all over my timing belt, to make it last longer.
😂😂😂😂
wow that made me laugh
Any idea of the service history?
It had history up to 60k and it’s on 90k
Cuántos km y de que año es.gracias
90k