Top NO-GO rifle round for defensive use
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- It time to take a look at the rounds I wouldn't pick for defensive use. I cover some of the what and why behind what I do that drives me decisions. #everydaycarry #edcgear #firstresponders #minuteman #rangegear #lawenforcement #preparedness #prepared #teotwawki #wrol #bugoutgear #defense #ammo #ammunition #prepper #rifleman #ar15
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Your suggestion of using a varmint round confirms what I've got at the ready: Hornady V-Max in a 20 round magazine ought to do nicely. My relationship with the platform pre-dates 30 round mags, if you get my drift. Still a Marine in my wheelchair and an AR I built myself.
I came to the same conclusion, especially for shorter barrels that seem so popular these days. What makes 5.56/.223 so deadly is it's instability when hitting a target. It's a small bullet going super fast, so when it hits the target it yaws and tumbles and just causes all sorts of mayhem. When you use a really short barrel, you rob that round of the velocity it needs to be so effective. So go to a lighter bullet, like a V-Max--you'll get the most velocity you can out of a short barrel, plus the round is a hollowpoint/ballistic tip, so you've got a bullet that will readily expand and/or tumble upon hitting the target.
Hornady V-Max is stacked high for that very reason. Hard to beat it for its performance and price.
Been subscribed for a little while. Leaving this comment about what you spoke on in the very beginning pertaining to the toxic people of the community. I could not possibly agree with you anymore on that topic and I commend you for mentioning it. We need more good ambassadors to welcome new people into the world of firearms. I believe that the thing that is plaguing our cause and community the most is lack of knowledge amongst people who were not raised around firearms or taught the respect for the tool and proper firearms safety from a very early age. I enjoy your content man keep doing what you do.
Agreed, we should all support people trying to share their knowledge and preferences. I don't care if someone loves their glock, 1911, revolver, whatever. If they are familiar with it, trained, responsible and represent well then it is better to be carrying what you have and like than nothing at all as long as you like it and are good with it. Some people like Steaks, some Sushi, PB&J, I don't care what people are eating and their favorite as long as they are eating. I don't mock people in line at McDonalds...or those spending $300 for dinner, to each his or her own.
Thank you and i agree with you 100%
Very well said
Wholeheartedly agree, some just honestly don’t know and want to learn. If you can’t be helpful, then you are not helpful.
@@codytheduke6562exactly if you train with it and are confident with it and hit anything with it it works and always fear the man with only one gun
Hi from the UK... No such thing as home defense here, we even have to choose our words carefully as not to upset the scumbag. The wrong words can get us arrested if they upset someone.
However. Its good to know that my .338 Lapua and 7mm Winmag chambered firearms will come useful if and when things get weird.
I'd still say the mighty 10ga and 12ga shotgun is the boomstick of choice.
Parts of the US are trying to go the way of the UK. No self defense allowed.
There are places in the US where that would be bad for a prosecuting lawyers health. So I think that effort will be spotty
My friend that's terrible to hear. I've dealt with some of your military chaps greatvguys everyone of them. Few things more terrifying than a calm guy who sound like he's ordering a tea but instead of tea it's an airstrike. I couldn't imagine life in the world you live in that said could you imagine a 10 ga smoking an intruder. It would just be BOOM.... oh shit where'd he go
@@unclefreedom213 as an ex airborne chap. Youre welcome.
Tea is very important. The UK armed forces are powered by tea.
My friend in the UK speaks the truth. Lady got arrested for quietly praying to herself at an abortion clinic. And many more for similar offenses.
You're not going to go wrong with just about anything out of a 12 gauge shotgun at household ranges.
Thank you for talking about the trolls. Those trolls might know a lot more than I do but the way they present their opinions takes all the credibility away and discourages new comers to comment anything.
All my buddy’s are always talking up green tip. (For shtf) Doggin on my stock of 193. Thank you sir for bringing some perspective to the conversation. I do have some green tip if more pen is needed than what 193 can provide. I do have some hollow point varmit bullets for in the house tho
The Hornady red tip .223 is gnarly! First time I went hunting my friends dad handed me a Ruger American cambered .223 and told me if I see a deer shoot him in the neck since he didn’t want it to run onto someone else’s property or he didn’t want to track it I really don’t know I just did what I was told. Long story short an 8 point comes walking out I blast him in the neck and he crumpled like a ton of bricks. When I went to check him out I grabbed his rack and you could feel and hear everything in his neck popping and cracking. It’s as if a bomb went off in his neck. I still have the skull to this day I hang hats on it. Not 100% sure why he wanted me to go for the neck not the head maybe he didn’t trust my shot I don’t know much about hunting but I do know if you hit a deer in the neck with a Hornady it’s not going anywhere after. Makes me wonder why hunters go for the boiler room instead of the head or neck.
Because neck roast is delicious lol
And being attached to the head, it tends to move around, unpredictably, a lot. 😉👍
Same reason you aim center mass, and not the T. A miss is easy, and you probably won’t get a second shot.
I know a guy that only shoots em in the neck. Cuz he doesn't want to tear up the tenderloin 😂
Shot a doe like that once with a '06 SP at about 40 yards. It was quite knarly.
I'm guessing the 'red tip' you're talking about was a vmax. They also have Sst and eld which are tipped.
Your video's are game changers. Coulda woulda shoulda..too late now. Im the guy with the steel plates and the green tips. I appreciate your defensive ammo GO/NO GO video's. Making adjustments to my stock. Had no idea until i came across your channel. You have tons of great solid information. Your badass dude. Thanks!
Thank you!
A great and very helpful video! Knowing what shit doesn’t work is as important as knowing what does, and WHY. Really enjoying your channel and content, and spreading the word about it to others in my circles. Best hopes for a roaring increase in your followers! God Bless!
Thank you
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Bro, great info! I'm a relatively new subscriber and glad that I would not use any of the "NO GO" For "Defensive Rounds!" I really appreciate your explanations and am glad that I use some of the "GO" Defensive rounds for a Condo complex, say, in Rifle and in Pistol. That said, keep up the great work and stay safe out there!
Thank you
Handguns are for you to get to your rifle. I myself have invested in four different 556 rounds and five different 308 rounds. All my magazines are filled with the different ammunition for different scenarios. I have it for barriers such as level four destruction followed up with tissue destruction. My 308 is my main with 556 backup or an unarmed friend. I hope to never have to use any other than destroying paper or punching steel targets along with some coyotes or hogs. I myself have hunted all my life but never purchased a AR style rifle until about four years ago. Plinking was always done with a 22 but now I plink with 308 and 556. Hornady is what the majority of my ammunition is and CCI for 22 and 22 magnum. I also use Hornady in my 40’s for carry but practice with Blazzer from CCI. I enjoy long distance shooting and my POF rifles are both sub moa with good ammo. My 308 is just as light as my 556 and both are considerably lighter than my hunting shotguns. I am pleased to see that you posted a video explaining to people about different types of ammunition projectiles. Green tip 556 is a waste in my opinion but I do have 62 grain soft point and mostly have 68 grain hollow point Hornady. I use the cheap 55 grain for target shooting and mag dumps. I just recently came across your channel and subscribed for the fact that you are speaking truth with knowledge. Have a great day and hopefully one day soon, we can all purchase suppressors for all our guns to save hearing along with recoil reduction without paying a special tax or a fortune for quality suppressors.
I run vmax for home defense because I’m in an apartment but if shtf I’d run whatever. Ball, crappy hp, vmax etc. Realistically, most of us won’t have a choice in such situation because even if we did have enough of the correct ammo we’ll likely be bartering a lot of it to to make up for areas we overlooked such as food and water.
Solid points
Thanks for the video. Ive been shooting for over 15 years and I've seen many new cartridges and defensive ammo come out. Seems like most of the companies that sell well have a crappy or "okay at best" round but a good marketing team.
You are not wrong
Love your channel, super informative and I love the fact that you get to the point right away. I actually take notes for your videos. I enjoy your honesty in saying what has worked for you and what hasn't. Definitely no fence sitter here, and for that I much appreciate your candor. Would be even better if you could curse less so the channel could be more family friendly so the kids can watch/listen as well. Shout out from Canada!
Trolls : Those who argue just for the sake to argue. That aside, I find this channel very educational. Unfortunately here in South Africa, owning semi auto rifles are bit of a "hoops and loops jump" towards dedicated hunting and sport shooting status that enables semi auto rifles to be owned. Though I do own a Ruger American LH 223 that's a 1:8 twist with a 20inch barrel, my current favorite round care the Sierra Prairie Enemy Blitzking 55gr, that stuff shoots consistent and accurate. Other than that it's S&B 55gr FMJ for the range. I'll probably get a 223 die and just hand load a good round for myself. Thanx for the great educational info.
Thank you
Hey 20” is king works for everything 223 or 556 if you got a 223 Wylde barrel and 1:8 is probably the most versatile twist
I shoot 55gr DRT for home and property defense. No exit, devastating inside! I also love IMI 77gr razor core for deer and hogs. Works for me!
Inside of my home I keep a mag full of controlled chaos rounds, but once I leave the house it’s all Fort Scott Tui… just in case I need to get through to you on a different level 😂
Your information is why I am here. It is the best information I have found.
That's is awesome to hear thank you
The most powerful rifle I happen to own is my dad’s Weatherbee MkV .270 Wby Magnum (130gr @ 3450) that he used when he and I hunted together when I was a kid.
I know it would certainly work/ seen what it would do on deer.
But touching that off in the house while not wearing hearing protection would probably make you a hearing aid wearer in one shot. Its pretty much a cannon amongst North American deer rifles….
I too have spent 40 years in uniform carrying a gun, and I too dislike greentip M855… M193 has allways been my choice of the common service ammo of my youth. German DM111 7.62x51 ball works just like M193, rather than our M80 ball. I kept several battle packs of DM111 for rainey days. Back on M193…. I actually have a 1/14 twist AR15
Done up as a USAF 601…. 1/12, 1/9,1/7 AR’s as well. AK47 and 74 semi’s too. I carried a M1 Carbine with IMI softpoints as a Deputy Constable.
Jesus that WBY is smoking. I was shocked how many people were after the 855 that's why I added that part about the Army uses it and we didn't like it either. Now that we finally have a great 5.56 round the Army wants a new caliber and different gun. Typical Army if it makes sense it's wrong
IMI 77 grain razor core in 16” with a 1/7 twist
Yeah, we quickly found out M855 is VERY dependent on shot placement. If you don't have time to place a head/heart shot, you just gotta hose em instead.
Like I said it takes a lot of 22 holes to leak enough hydraulic fluid to shut down the pump
Great stuff again brotha! Was happy to see I had a good supply of go's and not so many no go's except for the range. Had to laugh when you were talking about the Tula and Wolf. Remember the first time I ran that out of my POF Renegade w the adjustable gas block. Had to charge the handle prob 7 out of 10 times bc it wouldn't cycle. Valuable lesson learned on the one way...
Glad to hear it and thank you
Appreciate your geek out mentality. Super informative and well described... cuz we speak the same language. You sound exactly like my Uncle, cousins, & myself. Ya ever find yourself in commiefornia, specifically northern sierras, would be glad to meet ya. Keep it real, and stay safe out there.
Thank you I hear that the people in the State of Jefferson are good people and so is the surrounding areas
Another great video, put in laymen’s terms. Thank you
I’ve been looking into .300 BO ammo a lot lately and the only thing really worth in it a big name factory load is hornady sub-x. I still love the fat ol SMK’s and shoot them all the time
In a subsonic you're right but damn they are good. The softer core and design is quite good.
If you haven't decided on 300 blackout yet, look into 350 Legend instead.
If you're into reloading, you have a huge range of projectile weights. From 90 grains moving at 3,000 fps, to subsonic 200+ grain projectiles. 350 legend is less sensitive to barrel length for velocity, too.
Duramag makes 20 round factory mags. You can also mod polymer mags to run 30 rounds of 350 legend (iirc they feed 29 rounds +1 in the chamber.)
If memory serves, dropping from 20" to 10.5" in 350 legend loses about 10% in velocity on average.
I just recently came across your channel, and so far have really enjoyed what I've seen.
well spoken and presented🇺🇸
Can you do a video with the best rounds for different home eniroments? Aka top 3-5 apartment, suburban home & countryside rounds?
Love the vid very informative. most people dont know what rounds to load up for their home defense weapon. I would say I would choose a Rifle all day for all around self defense. For close quarters, bad guy vs good guy no bystanders Im going AR12 no question. I personally like the buck/slug combo rounds i believe 4or 5, 00 buck with a 1oz slug not quite sure the weight. I dont have them in front of me. But like you say know ur battle field and know the job you want your tool to perform. Before we get into my question/statement I 100% agree with what you are saying in this video for home defense normal society. I on the other hand would like for you to be able to agree in a societal collapse/SHTF/zombie apocalypse/full blown invasion whatever you may call it or prepare for. Once you run out of all your situational defense ammo (the good stuff) turning to your target ammo and taking head shots is still a better choice than throwing ur gun on the ground and fighting by hand, right? Well, at least for me it is. I am not saying stock up on shit ammo for the END I am saying we will all have target ammo as we are gun people who shoot guns. I hope you dont work for a department which makes you uphold unconstitutional gun laws, shall not be infringed. Anyway God Bless America 🇺🇸
I’ve watched a few of your videos the last few days and it’s been interesting.
I'll accept that
@@unclefreedom213 got one for you, I don’t own a 9mm or a 223/5.56 .
What do you own? I've shot a bunch of stuff
@@unclefreedom213 308 44 45acp 30/30 general old fudd stuff . I haven’t bought a new gun in twenty years.
Lot of the 308 ammo is available in the same defense loads I cover in rifle defense ammo. Gold Dots, critical defense, TUI, Copper alloy hollowpoints, Varmint rounds. Same with 45
First time commenting, been a subscriber for a short time, but I love the content. I appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos. Lots of great free info.
Thank you
I’ve read that the M855A1 is also like 3k psi more than M855/M193. I believe it’s at 62k psi vs your standard 58k, but it’s been a while since I read about it. The conclusion of the paper I read is that it’ll naturally be harder on your gun.
Anyway I’ve binged your videos today and already ordered replacement ammo for my 9mm and my AR. In the past I just watched ballistic gel videos and picked based on those results. Keep the videos coming, they’re appreciated.
It is a higher pressure load and it's screaming
M855A1 is somewhere in the range of 67,000psi. Most 5.56mm is 62k. The original spec M855A1 was at 70k. 70k is proof load pressure. It works good. But Mk318 SOST does just as good at normal pressure.
Edited to add: M855A1 tears guns up. The Marine Corps M27's is a pretty robust system. And they complained about A1 tearing the guns up.
@DutchK.USMC.Knuckles3. Tearing up more like feeding ramp wear, and magpul gen 3 mags has a sharper angle Solving most of this.
Great information. Would love to hear your thoughts about .300 blackout for home/personal defense
That's coming. I'm currently getting all my data together and going through all my notebooks of testing data. There will be a GO,.NO-GO video coming
Thanks for sharing your data with us! I really appreciate it as you have taught me a lot or validated my use of certain firearms and ammo. To that end I've been looking for a GO and NO-GO videos about ammo for a PCC. I use an upgraded Colt model 6951 9mm carbine. It looks A LOT like your Ruger AR556 duty rifle. I use Fed HST 147 with my carbine. I'd enjoy seeing you do PCC centric ammo reviews. Thanks again for sharing your experience.
It’d be nice if you shared or collaborated with the South Africans on one or more videos. I’d like to hear what people in other countries use and why.
From what I have heard is the 855A1 burns up your barrel super fast & puts a shit ton of wear on your rifle. Always wanted to try some but its super expensive on gunbroker & if I am going to pay that much I would rather get the Black Hills Mk262.
Yeah you have to use a specific follower or it'll chew up the feed ramps and it is hot that is for sure
The first lots of 855a1 were hot enough that they were breaking bolt lugs within a couple thousand rounds, but they have dialed it back since then. Currently, it is still hot, but relies more on a powder charge optimized for a 14.5in barrel than just pushing more of the old powder mixes into the case.
As said, yes, there is a specific follower for them. But Gen3 Pmags come with that follower, so it's not like it is to get mags for it
I've seen gel tests (Tnoutdoors, shooting the bull) with XM193 that look like and have been described as "devastating". Lucky Gunner testing didn't like it though. I keep it as a backup bulk round.
77 gr Sierra OTM (handloaded) and 62 gr Hornady 5.56 for defensive use, deer get a 60 gr Nosler Partition (handloaded).
The partition is such an old school cool round. I do wish it wasn't as expensive as it is or as hard to get
M193 is all I shoot. I’ve had some soft points, but for what I am looking at General Purpose speaks to my soul.
8:32 hydrostatic shock. green tips are not for shooting at unarmored targets in the open... its for shooting through doors, walls, etc. if you nail a person with it from inside of 200 yards then the acceleration of the projectile multiplied by the wieght of the object (E=MC^2) causes extreme amounts of kientic energy to pass into the target... an icepick sized hole center mass with a sledge hammer to the chest.
12:45 match grade range ammo used in competitions is generaly the best for accuracy... long range precision.
point is: different ammo for different situations. there is no one size fits all magic bullet.
arguably, birdshot is the best home defence round.
I would argue what you train with is the best home defense weapon
No.... M855 is for getting through a cold war era steel Soviet helmet at 100m or so further away than m193, that is it
855a1 is now made for the m4a1
Good powder load
I can see the need for green tip due to the oposing forces getting body armor
M855 isn't particularly an improvement when it comes to armor penetration. M193 out performs it against steel armor, and if someone has invested in ceramics, it is likely already rated as a III+ to address 855.
855a1 will occasionally make it through level IV, but is far from reliable at it
@@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind I would disagree based on experience with shooting both
Yes! Another video I’ve wanted. I personally am running federal champion 556 soft point right now. It is, in my opinion, the best performing 556/223 soft point out there I’ve seen so far because it gets a good 14 inches of penetration with still good velocities. Other soft points in 223 loads will sometimes be really under loaded in velocity as to prevent the round from fragmenting too much and not getting 12 inches of penetration, or they will be loaded hotter and will get like 10 inches. Tools and Targets did a comparison on it vs m193 and the comparison was actually a lot closer than I expected. I highly recommend his channel to anyone who like ballistic gel tests. Great video as usual btw!👍
Edit: here is the comparison on tools’ channel: th-cam.com/video/zId12z-7GCA/w-d-xo.html&feature=share highly recommend giving it a watch.
The Federal load is super consistent in loading as well same with their jhp Varmint 223
Sorry. Saw this and had to say, One of the "GO TO" Defensive rounds that I use and just got another few hundred rounds of it... Also, watch Tools & Targets on occasion. Uncle Freedom was a channel that I'm really starting to enjoy and I like the explanations... That said, have a good weekend!
The thing about those varmint rounds are they run out of gas at like 200 yards.
Just wondering what the thoughts are on staking ammo like 20 rounds of a cheaper ammo and 10 of some higher quality stuff?? I feel like that’s a solid compromise! 😂
I run Hornady Critical Defense.
good round
Nice 👍 but honestly I will shoot whatever I have available. Primary fails go to secondary if that fails pull out your axe 🪓 or knives 🔪. WW2 Alamo scouts preference of weapon was a K-bar. You are deadly the weapon is just a tool.
M855A1 is completely amazing!!!! The terminal performance is in a league of all its own and it’s not unobtainable I have got 500 rounds pre Covid for about 1.30 a round
Garand thumb just did a video on it what was avaliable won't be anymore. Also the round were never public distributed though you could find pulled bullets. It's just not a commonly available round hopefully one day though it's hell on a rifle. I wouldn't say a league of it's own it's a solid copper bullet that kind of performance is available and has been from BHA with thw TTSX or the Hornady Superformance cx and gmx rounds
I know a lot about things that jiggle and are fun to look at
So I was watching an interview the other day with the guys from Hornady and they were saying that VMax was a no go for defensive ammo….. but after watching a string of your videos I’m now torn. I have a ton of VMax laying around and the Hornady guys had me ready to use it up for range purposes. You however have persuaded me in the opposite direction. I think I’ll hang onto that.
I know a lot of the guys form Hornady they are local to me they didn't design it as a defensive round but it is the bullet used in TAP ammo which is the law enforcement duty ammo. Not saying they are wrong because they made the bullet but I'm saying i cut the bullets apart and they are the same
The first box of Tula I tried, jammed and wouldn’t extract on multiple rounds. People are gonna want to tell me it’s my gun, my PSA that NEVER malfunctions with any other ammo, I’m supposed to buy a new rifle just so I can run Tula? Nah….
Tula and wolf steel are underpowered if you're gun will run it great from the range but if it wont I tend to find that if the gun is properly and not over gassed with a mid or rifle length gas system it has a hard time with tula
@@unclefreedom213 interesting.
I have a few mags of m855 just because… I’ve found through shooting, it’s basically trash. I can’t even use it as range ammo because i mostly shoot steel targets and it chews them up,It’s not very accurate from any of my guns which is probably due to the core not being perfectly center. Not as cool as alot of people would make you think.
I got a little m855a1 off tacswap, i paid 2$/round, i mostly just got it just to have but this summer I’m going to shoot it into gel. Everything I’ve seen online it preforms and it’s not as dependent on velocity. Awesome video man!
It is a performer just make sure you have the blue follower in the mags or it can chew up your feed ramps with the exposed steel tip
Thanks for looking out for us! Nothing worse than wasting time and money.
I agree I'm glad you found it useful been working on an updated version. I blow through a ton of ammo anyway and I have always been fascinated by the testing of it. I'm just lucky to get to see hornady shoot gel and testing more than most.
I take it you are just talking about 5.56 rounds here. I only have one AR in 5.56, and I only use it for plinking and pests.
I'm on 147 acres, surrounded by woods, and our closest neighbors are over 4 miles away. No chance of hitting any of them. My home defense rifle is a Wilson Combat AR in 350 Legend. I have handloads using the Lehigh Xtreme defense 100 gr bullets. I also use it for feral hogs and deer. For those I have loads using 140 gr Lehigh Xtreme penetrator bullets. My AR that I grab when I'm outside around my property is my POF piston gun in 6.8 SPC. Have it stoked with loads using Lehigh 127 gr Controlled Chaos bullets. My girlfriend lives in town where she's at, so I built her a 9mm PCC AR. Stoke it with 115 gr Hornaday Critical Defense.
I might get some Lehigh Controlled Chaos bullets in 224 and develop some loads for my 5.56 AR. Test them on gel and hogs to see how they perform.
It is nice that I have access to a friend's ranch in Texas, can shoot as many feral hogs as I desire.
Excellent platforms though I would maybe look to swap out the pcc ammo. Critical Defense is designed out for short barrels maybe swap it to the 135 gr Critical duty round you'll pick up velocity but still maintain optimal penetration and gain barrier performance and bullet toughness due to its construction
Trolls are everywhere, don't feed them. They get nasty quick, LOL. I run Federal 50gr Tipped Varmit ammo for home defense & M193 for stacking. Frontier 5.56 62gr SP is also good for self defense imho. Pick your ammo for the application at hand. Just found your channel yesterday and really like the content. Keep up the good work.
Thank you and good choices
15:35 carbon based flesh silhouette
Could you possibly make a list of rifle ammo that disintegrates on impact with dry wall. Possibly pistol as well
I understand your dislike for the 855, 62 gr. green tip , but my question is, have you had a chance to shoot any of the other offerings in 62gr. , ie. Underwood makes a "Penetrator round in 62gr. " and Ft. Scott also has a T.U.I. 62 gr. round and considering the upgrade in just the cost per round will it do signifigantly better as both a penertrator round and then the necessary takedown damage as a Self- defense round against people with hostile intent ?
TUI is pretty good I see no need for the penterator round. There's a boatload of really really good 62to 64 grain designs. The sbsp from winchester, gold dot, fusion, triple bonded bearclaw, all are barrier blind and all are far superior to anything fmj
I think m855 green tip became a compromise for a more consistent point of impact at longer ranges compared to 55gr.
Don’t worry about the trolls on TH-cam, I forgot where I read this but they say that most people who troll don’t have much going in in their daily lives, trolling is the only way they can entertain themselves
So here’s a few question for you; 1) With your department/unit are you required to use a specific ammo for duty purposes? 2) In the view and aspect from a law enforcement perspective, is it considered a bad thing and/or questionable if a person utilizes reloaded ammunition that they personal made?
I won't speak for him, but I can speak on it from my experience. My department requires the first 20 rounds of my first magazine to be loaded with issued Ranger Bonded .233. The following 10 rounds, plus all additional rounds in my self purchased mags may be loaded with standard .223 or 5.56 brass cased FMJ's. Green tip is specifically banned by policy. In my pistol I must only used department approved Hornady Critical Duty in 9mm. All backups or off duties I wish to carry, if I wish to be covered under POST, must also have Hornady Critical Duty in that caliber. There is like a 6 page policy about authorized brands and calibers I also am saddled with. You would be shocked about policy in policing. Like, for instance, I have a list of items and brands I may mount to my rifle, optics lights, grips, etc. I am only allowed to have a eotech or aimpoint red dot and the only ranged optic allowed is an ACOG. Hell I can't even have an extra magazine in a pouch on my belt or vest. I am only allowed to either have a magpul coupler or put the mag in my pant pocket if I think I need a rifle reload.
I have no problem with reloaded ammunition. If we are talking reliability, if you do it right, none what so ever. If you are asking from like a legal defense realm, who knows. This country really isn't one country any more. If you are in a free state, it won't matter. If your like in Cali or the like, God knows what a DA will try to make of it. That's just my piece.
We issue ammo out typically all officers run the Hornady TAP Urban, you can run other stuff if you wish but that ammo would have to be cleared by me since that's one of the things i do for my department. 2.) I personally carry and use my reloads especially for something like precision rifle ammo. The vast majority of handloaders are some of the most knowledgeable people about what the rounds will do. My response ( not a lawyer) Would be I cared so much about having a responsibly loaded round that I carefully selected the components for their ability to safely defend my family and others and loaded them to exacting specs. Meaning that everything I did from picking the bullet to getting the velocity right was in an effort to be the best protector and have the lowest risk of collateral damage possible. I applaud guys that tests their stuff and have so much faith in themselves that they trust the ammo to defend.
@@unclefreedom213is the tap urban a v max bullet?
I do run a varmint grenade. and worry about everything you say. But the reason is that if ever I have to shoot out of my bedroom my kids are on the other side of that two layers of sheetrock. I need to KNOW they are safe, or what am I defending them from.
Soft point or hollow points or best in any caliber for defense
Apologies, what is your reccommendations for varmint style rounds for indoor use? Your previous video didn't have a timestamp.
VMAX, Soft Points non bonded,
Uncle Freedom, I just found your channel and like your content. I have Sierre Prairie Enemy 223 rem 55 gr Blitzking and Winchester Ranger 223 rem 55 gr soft points as my two SHTF rounds. I would love to hear your thoughts. I think the Wnichester Ranger is an all purpsose (definitely goid defensive and could probably be used to hunt deer in a pinch) but could the Prairie Enemy (being a varmint round) do the same?
The Prairie enemy is a solid Varmint round and an excellent defensive round though it could be marginal on deer as the bullet doesn't have the build for penetration. If your Ranger is the bonded version it could easily be pressed into service as a deer round if it is not the bonded version it will function more as as Varmint round would
Thank you, sir. That makes sense. And it is not the bonded...darn.
So that pistol round is like a chidori but you really want a rasengan haha
Why did I just KNOW the number one round on this list is what I own the most of?...
Folks bought it for lots of reasons one of the biggest was it was the military round and then because the AFT tried to ban it.
I own a lot of it too though my reason is they were on clearance and punching paper at 50 and in for flatrange stuff
I live in the country. Barnes 77gr. tactical for the house ar. Hornady defense in 9mm. #4 buck in 12 gauge.
Berger 77 OTM TACTICAL. Opps.
Hahaha love the pinky finger rant
Have you tried 62gr tsx for self defense bullets (reload)
Tell me what you think about the AAC Sabre Black Tip 5.56 rounds. What category do they fit in, varmint, cup and core?
The clear ballistics gel that most people use on TH-cam is definitely more dense than real ballistics gel.
Its a good tool for viewing bullets, but you have to take the results with a grain of salt.
The higher viscosity can make decent bullets look bad. You can pretty much count on less penetration, and different performance than would occur in "real" ballistic gel.
Truth I do like that I can order it in different density though. For you know when I want a rifle round to stop because I need to catch at least one
Pay no attention to the trolls, some do it because they just want to push someone's button, and the anonymity makes them brave. Face to face there just a woss. Others do it just because they are ignorant. Good info, thou. For my defense I trust only what I load. I've tweeked the loads that I KNOW my gun likes and don't rely on manufactured misleads. Thanks for what you do.
I feel that I have lots of factory precision ammo but I still handload everything I count on.
@@unclefreedom213 unfortunately with the cost of manufactured ammo vs making your own was significantly cost effective. No ammo is coming down in cost. When srp were nowhere to be found I made a machine to convert srp to lrp, worked great. Lots of reloaders said that it wouldn't work and If it did I would only get 1 or 2 reloads from them. That was 3 years ago, I converted 200 of them I still have 160. Shot them 10 to 12 time and still holding primers. Now that srp are coming back I'll mothball that project until needed again. Be careful out there and your safety will be in my prayers.
That is wild never thought that would actually work. Learn something new everyday. Thank you
Great video
Hey! Congrats on getting Trolls! 😁
It's like a video game new achievement unlocked
@@unclefreedom213 LOL!
Wolf is decent for training , tula I had zero luck with
Hug a logger, you'll never go back to trees.
Bahahahahaha this is epic
Good, Thx
Stockpiling Ruag M193.
My favorite is hogs and white tail
5.45x39 was the response to 55gr 5.56.
Yes ak 74 just couldn't remember the 7N6
.50 bmg is a little risky depending on where you live
I'm gonna disagree with you about one thing you said. M855 is a horrible defensive ammo, which is true. But it's definitely not bad ammo. It was designed to be used in engagements at over 100 meters. The data we got back from the past previous wars with the exception of Afghanistan all showed that firefights were typically occurring at 100 yards and under. The XM 193 was designed to replace it while yawing consistently at shorter ranges. The Army also went from 16 inch barrels with a 1:12 twist to a 14.5 in barrel with a 1:7 twist. M855 worked great in Afghanistan and will yaw reliably at impact over 100 meters. The civilian version of M855 made by PMC is extremely accurate making it a cheap and great option for varmint/coyote hunting out West. It also excels at barrier engagement. It's a great tool in the tool box for long range and better than steel cased or surplus or reloads. Great video !
gotta correct you 193 is original round for the m16, xm193 like xm855 x is civilian sale
You are correct sir ! Thanks for keeping me honest. 👍
I don’t want my bullets giving up the ability to penetrate! Giving up your ability to penetrate is a no go. Lol. Just humor and not a troll.
Might I suggest tungsten rods LOL. My stuff on trolls are for the people that see this newer to our world being discouraged from learning more by some disconnected basement dweller as I literally film videos in my basement
The M193 isn't bad IF you have a 16" barrel, or longer. With a 20", its pretty bad, especially if the twist is 1 in 9 or 10.
Yeah with 55gr the slower your twist the better it works. It really shines in the 20 inch it still CAN work from a 16 it's just not as consistent as the longer barrels
Or a 1:8 twist works for everything
Uncle freedom is the , m193 out if a 20” , is it any more relaible then a 14.5/16”?
193 is still good from a 14.5 and 16 and far better than the 855. It was just originally designed around the 20 in with a 1 in 12 twist
20” is king turns range ammo into duty ammo every day of the week
I don’t see why FMJ are an issue with .223/5.56??? The fragmentation and yawing dies plenty of damage regardless of expansion. This is the strength of 5.56.
Let me put it this way, if you had to use FMJ ammo wouldn’t 5.56 be the best option over 7.62x39 .308 or .300 blackout??? I just don’t know of another cartridge that has the same performance with FMJs???
The problem is that it is not reliable out of the barrel lengths we typically run. There are just better options out there but if we're SHTF and I'm out of my stash, I'm running 193s
@@unclefreedom213if you still have the GWOT mindset of a 11.5 or 10.5 you are wrong or even 14.5 you are still wrong 16-20” is the answer if you don’t want to have to run special ammo
Russian ammo is 5.45x39
Self defense means I have little to no options because it’s not on my terms. If I have an opportunity to Defend my self. I may not have a choice in what gun to use. I may not be able to use one of my guns.
true but nothing state you can't loaf and stage your systems to stack that deck in your favor
@@unclefreedom213 You are completely right. I am not trying to be a troll. I like this content.
Sometimes when people discuss self defense. It reminds me of when. I didn’t want to ware a seatbelt as a kid. I would ask my parents. Why do I have to ware this stupid thing all the time? I will put it on if we are going to get into an accident. I had to learn my lessons in the shock trama unit many times over for many different reasons. A Hard learner. Self defense is like a car accident if you don’t expect it. From the unpredictable reaction time to extent of injury with all the same ratios of good and bad luck. I agree and fully support preparedness. I tell people all the time scenarios are good for training but make them as malleable as you possibly can.
Looks like a hand load is all you can trust
Bittersweet moment when the trolls start arriving to your channel
It was weird at first but I get it they're just part of the landscape. I'm reaching more and more people everyday that are eager to learn, train and just look at things a new way. I'm helping people think of things in way they haven't before and in some small way maybe I'm helping them be a better defender, patriot, shooter, tactician and that ti me is pretty badass
M855 IS THE WORST
lol nothing but green tip. Devastating. I don't use an AR for defense, I have a shotgun and 10mm for that
M855 gets a bad wrap. I was told for many years how terrible it wasover in iraq and afghanistan and assumed that to be true. Then i picked up some for super cheap and have been using it for just about 3 years now. It is way more suseptible to not yawing early if it arrives at a high angle of attack, and that is when you see it not yaw until the 6" mark, however, having said that.... i have been seeing alot of m193 tests where it doesnt begin the yaw phase until 4-6" as well. during covid i couldnt find any other ammo so i was forced to use m855 on a bunch of different animals.... and its absolutely devesdating. Also keep it mind those guys we were fighting oversees were malnourished and only 6 inches thick.. it would be a totally different story in lets say ukraine or here. There are definately better options than m855... but the whole "it only makes .22 caliber holes" is fudd lore. Its a 62 grain projectile traveling at 3,000 fps.... and its nasty. I would probrably choose m193 over m855, but m855 isnt as bad as weve all been told. great channel!
I'll include some of the links i have found over the last few years _ 1st picture in google is m855 (says m855a1 but is m855 if you read the test card info breakdown. m855 @ 2,841fps) small arms solutions was comparing m855 vs m855a1
www.google.com/search?sca_esv=01fd5b34e9d467a5&rlz=1CAEAQE_enUS1038&sxsrf=ACQVn08WMXuEQv_n7iv_qDwnkEreVol1cw:1709989037948&q=m855+gel+test&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibybTJneeEAxWjFjQIHc5TCiYQ0pQJegQICRAB&biw=1242&bih=579&dpr=1.1#imgrc=BeJ2KPFdK6yoOM
Old chopping block m855 from SBR video
th-cam.com/video/mOJdv38Fypg/w-d-xo.html
Mr. gunsngear m193 vs m855 test
th-cam.com/video/LnJDNfb2T6s/w-d-xo.html
Check out Paul Harrell's recent side-by-side comparison of Silver Tip ammo in 9mm from 40 years ago and from 2023. His testing showed Silver Tip is now a little better than it was originally, including better penetration and better expansion at the same velocity for both.
Yeah, someone mentioned that earlier. I will have to check it out. I love Paul's testing that said maybe I had some bad lots of it, but until I see it work when I shoot it, my opinion stays the same. I have no-issue shooting it again and being wrong, and I would love to see it perform well. That just means there is another option that people can find to have good ammo, and I'm all for that. I had several people reach out with very similar results to what i got when shooting it so maybe they made some tweaks in the more recent lots
@@unclefreedom213 The basic rule of statistics is that it all comes down to whether the sample is adequate, is it a big enough sample, and is it an accurate sample. You merely might have gotten a bad sample and Harrell got a good sample. And your samples could have been reversed without having to go to an alternate universe.
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64g SP hydra shock
69g OTM
Would like to try solid copper but these work just fine considering the price of copper.
I appreciate the info you put out. Thank you... stay safe and ignore trolls
This is the best content I have seen in a long long time, and I watch way too much 😁. Lose the basement and get a cheap rig to look into the camera and I am sure your numbers will get a push. In any case, please keep those vids coming. Awesome stuff
Working on that now. Thank you for the kind words
I am a fan of the basement but for a cheap solution I think a bed sheet behind you... In the basement... Would work. I don't know. Do what you want
I've been at the indoor range with Federal XM193 and people remark at the fireball it makes.
I’d be curious a year later if there’s any changes to this. I’m loading 855A1 projectiles when I find em. They usually work out to about 1.00/rd. And 55gr vmax.
Maybe a video about loading with what you can find at local shop? I live in Alaska and and constrained by what I can ship via air. 😢
Thanks for all the info on the ammo I should not use in my AR for home defense. Starting to believe that, as others have pointed out, maybe 5.56 is not the answer to home defense. 12 gauge 00 buck, 300 blackout subsonic, 9mm HSTs are sounding much more viable. For SHTF, 5.56 will have its place.