Of course you stock 5.56, .308, 9mm and .22lr. But, do you have a specific type of cartridge? Or do you just grab whatever you can find? Hopefully this video helped give some things to focus on or at least consider when stashing ammo for the long term who knows what. Here are some interesting and lesser known pieces of prepper gear that you might find useful: Rechargeable Flashlight/Plasma Lighter Combo: amzn.to/3wfyoMa Surgical Grade "Dissection" Kit: amzn.to/3EOM8QP 4 Piece Skin Stapler Kit for "Training": amzn.to/3CNm5Jo Boogie-Blue Garden Hose Filter: amzn.to/3GNVeiV
I think a good all around bullet for 1:7 is Mk262 but it's a little pricey, although I think it's worth it because it has good ballistics out of short and long barrels
I really want an FS2000 chambered for 30×06 but for now all I have is a 22.LR that i desperately need new ammo for. Sometimes i get scared the stuff i have is gonna get stuck in the barrel lol.
Many indoor and outdoor ranges don’t allow M855 so it sits around. Steel case or 55g for classes. 77g gives the best of both worlds, short barrel or long range even though it’s pricy. Ammo used in training is more valuable than stockpiling with zero experience
A .22 Magnum revolver that can fire .22lr and .22 short is good utility piece for misc. found traded ammo. CCI is very good because they have good quality control of rimfire primers.
The prosecutor in the Kyle trial said hollow point ammo becomes explosive when it hits a deer . So That’s the kind I want to store . Sounds like I can just shoot and cook the meat all at once
Right. That prosecutor literally out his own foot right in his mouth. U would think that a prosecuting attorney would be educated on the case he/she is working. The kid was defending himself and that comment the attorney made about falsely exploding cartridges is helping prove the self defense case on Kyle's behalf.
Same here, but .308 instead of 30.06, no 7.62x39 or 20 gauge. I buy xm193 in bulk, as well as .308 in 147 gr. Just got rid of .300 Blk, as I had a blackout round go through my .223 barrel. I sold the gun and ammo. That was a really lucky shot that I didn’t get hurt or killed. FN barrels are tough. Also have revolvers in .38,.357 and .44 magnum. They also need ammo!
Always good info on here, but is anyone else impressed by how well he speaks on camera? He rarely flubs things up and never has to do crazy edit jobs on his videos. I like to appreciate the finer things. Just wanted to share that observation.
Running a TH-cam channel myself, I’ve said this about MP a few times. It’s incredible haha I do about 1 minute segments and edit them together. I could never do 15 mins off the dome!
You may be able to handle more with the right gun, assuming you have use of two arms. Is the issue weight, recoil, or both? .32 caliber revolvers with non magnum rounds offer minimal recoil, and substantially more power and reliability compared to rimfire. The Shield EZ 380 was designed to offer minimal recoil. If you are going to stick with 22, a revolver make more sense for the sake of reliability.
If you can afford the ammo, I suggest a Ruger 57. The velocities and ballistics are incredible. Very low recoil and the .27 grain will go right through level 3 soft armor.
22lr is very effective. I'm also disabled and recoil of most loads isn't tolerable. I choose a Ruger 10-22 for the job. Remember , the 22lr has been doing its job since 1887 from hunting and sport to Self defense. (Here come the Caliber war comments 🙄 )
Very common misconception 22 actually has more recoil than some other larger guns weight per velocity yada yada you’d be surprised nine mill may have less Kik than your particular pistol always consult an expert not me. FYI always get copper jacketed for pistols the lead tip can leave residue inside barrel possible catastrophic failures long-term. Pistols specifically rifles are another story.
Simple for me 22lr 9mm 45ACP .308 12 ga (slugs 00buck, BBshot, 6shot, 8shot) Got rid of my AR-15 and moved to a AR-10 for hunting and self defense. At 70 I'm not going to be running and gunning. I can do more with 308 168 grain match grade. 180 grain soft tip for hunting. Stock more M80 150 grain. Mostly for practice. Still investing in precious metals LEAD & BRASS I LIKE GOING HEAVY ON EVERYTHING. I THINK IT'S WORTH THE EXTRA MONEY FOR THE KNOCK DOWN POWER THUMBS UP ON CCI 22LR! MY FAVORITE! We're on the same page brother. Be safe and healthy
For 308 I only really like bolt guns and the DPMS G2 Recon, the lightweight one. With the muzzle break you can buy with it it handles the same as an M4. Except in .308. Other AR-10 designs are just too heavy with too much recoil/muzzle rise for me. That muzzle break makes even that light gun have practically no recoil or flip. I love it.
If you live in the US, I would recomend having a rifle that fires 5.56/.223, just because it is the most common here. It would be easier to scrounge if need be.
7.62x39 Is my stockpile for when SHTF. I can hunt, defend my family from any attacker and it cost me pennies on the dollar few years back and still got enough to pass down
I have the Beretta M9-22LR and you can stockpile any Ammo for it without worrying about reliability. It does NOT malfunction. Great pistol, just wanted to share.
My only issue with M855 is it's tendency to ice pick. M193 and M855A1 don't have that issue, and while A1 is rare, M193 is common with consistent wounding characteristics. Velocity or bullet construction is key. That's why I stick with longer barrels and lighter projectiles.
@cjgames001 So ice picking can be seen in one of three examples. Cavitation gel, ballistics gel, and use in the third world. Ice picking is what you commonly see called "the neck" in a ballistics gel test. It's the point where a projectile remains both stable and intact. M855 consistently has 6" or more of neck in both ballistics and cavitation gel. This translates to .22 caliber or smaller wound tracks passing right through half starved fighters doing little to no damage, keeping them in the fight longer. M855A1, by encapsulating both penetrators with what is essentially a light for weight fragmenting hollowpoint while the shape of both the penetrators encourages yaw upon separation, avoids the ice picking issue by not relying on yaw for terminal effect. At worst, you get 3" of neck. M193 is different than M855 because it's so low mass and high velocity, that it relies on fragmentation over yaw for wounding. This also makes M193 less effective in shorter barrels and out to longer ranges than M855A1. That being said, you consistently get 3" or less of neck. Now, if you're willing to spend a $1.20 a round in your stockpile, MK262 and most of its clones have consistent terminal ballistics within the effective range of the barrel you put it through. 77gr. OTM/boat tailled hollowpoints are just great at tearing up soft stuff with a consistent 2" of neck. There is the worry that MK262 can't penetrate armor, but realistically, M193, M855, and M855A1 can't defeat level 3+/SRT or level 4 plates either, so practice failure drills and pelvis shots. Barrier penetration may also seem to be an issue, but good barrier performance tends to go hand in hand with poor terminal performance outside of M855A1, so should be left in the hands of a crew serve weapon of higher caliber or volume of fire (your DMR, SAW with M855, or situation dependantly a GPMG). Moral of that story is your SHTF plan ought not be a lone wolf plan, but if it is, avoidance ought to be prioritized with terminal performance being massively important should you need to use your rifle.
@@brianzimmerman4837 Thank you for that detailed info! With that in mind is 5.56 a caliber that you would recommend for a multipurpose role as relates to say something like a patrol or infantry rifle? It seems like shot placement is what counts with most of the practical or available ammo types like (m193,m855,etc). Cheers!
@cjgames001 Sure thing. I'll break it down by different types of rounds and optimal barrel lengths. So common knowledge among gun nerds is that 5.56 gets its wounding from velocity. While this is mostly true, and most loads need to go at least 2300-2500fps when they reach the target to do significant damage, there are some quirks with different loads. Let's take M193 as the first example, it being the first chambering for the AR15 series of rifles. It's most effective at 0-300 meters from a 20" barrel. Keep in mind that the rate you lose velocity from chopping down a 5.56 barrel is parabolic, so you can expect relatively little loss in capability between 20"-16" (you lose about 50 meters) and slightly more between 16"-14.5 (you lose another 50 meters) down to a 10.5, where M193 essentially becomes a 50 meter cartridge if you want to maintain rifle wounding characteristics. I'm not saying you can't hurt something past that, but it's operating more like .22 mag from 50 meters onwards. Long story short, M193 is for your point blank range encounters (0-300) and is a great generalist round so long as you have a slower twist barrel that's 14.5" or longer. Moving forward in military history to M855, and you get a round that's excellent for barrier penetrarion. If you want a lot of cheap ammo that can punch through car doors and windshields accurately, M855 is your guy. If you're looking for a round that delivers reliable one shot stops outside of directly hitting the nervous system, look elsewhere. Like I said in my last comment, it was practically made for the SAW. The next step was the best step, in my opinion. Mk262 was designed in tandem with the SPR program, and because of that, it had a ton of input from SOCOM on what they needed and what it did. It's a more accurate round than almost anything else on the market and has insane terminal ballistics even at lower velocities around 2000fps. This extends its range out of most barrel lengths. While I would still avoid 10 inch barrels with it outside of sneezing distance, you realistically add 200 meters of effective terminal ballistics to any given barrel length. Special forces units took it out to 800m effectively and repeatedly in Afghanistan with 14"-20" barrels. It's great out of short barrels up close, and it's great out of longer barrels out further. It's M193 on steroids. The final step in 5.56's military story is M855A1. While it is a barrel burning, extractor chewing, chunker of a round, it's the happy medium between M193's terminal performance out to 300 meters in a 14.5, but with M855's barrier blindness and ability to buck wind. It loses out to Mk262 in three ways, though, effective range, terminal effect (which is exponentially greater from Mk262), and availability. As expensive as Mk262 is, Uncle Sam is holding almost all of the M855A1 and isn't surplusing any anytime soon. And unlike Mk262, other countries aren't cloning or using it, so there is no surplus from abroad either, unfortunately. From there you move into the civilian world of hunting and self defense where everything is a delicate balance of penetrarion and expansion. Bonded soft point can be absolute garbage for 2 legged predators if the projectile is too heavy or the round is moving too fast. FBI found a goldilocks zone for their round that hits an even 18" of penetrarion in their gel test from their short rifles. But it's hard to find a good clone or the ammo that they use. Hollowpoints also have a tendency to underpenetrate and expand unpredictably which isn't ideal for anything outside of varmint hunting. I could go on for a minute and in more detail, but I've hit the character limit for comments repeatedly, so imma cut it off here and leave room for any more questions.
@@brianzimmerman4837 You have to be the best single wealth of knowledge I've encountered in the comments! Thank you for your time and breaking that down for me to understand. As far as MK262 goes, is it the unicorn of the civilian market in terms of availability? Also, is there any clones of the MK262? Truth be told I'm just learning about this round now most of my "experience" is with m855. With this knowledge I'm thinking a diverse stockpile would make the most sense for SHTF. Thoughts?
Barrel length and twist rate change those numbers. It's less than advertised anyway. On top of that it won't matter if you ever have to use it in shtf. Figure out where it hits at 50 100 200 and then worry about things that will matter more
@@ClitoridectomyGroyper I believe MK308 mod 1 is superior. M855a1 too! Mk262 for distances past 400+.💜 I use Barnes 110 300 though as it’s heavily superior.
Common is the key word. Buy what you need and what is common with military and law enforcement, they might ultimately become your main source long term.
I recently bought a Taurus TX22, and that striker fired pistol will shoot and cycle anything. I also have (and recommend) a .22LR conversion kit for AR15 rifles. It's basically just swapping out the bolt carrier group, and using the .22LR magazines that came with it. I paid about $200 for it, and I use it all the time so I don't have to shoot my 5.56 ammo when practicing.
Besides stocking up on the caliber and gauge for the guns you do have, buy a box or two of ammo you don't have and use it for barter. Also don't forget to stock up on some supplies that help keep your firearms maintain and functional.
Now, I've been joking on the comments tonight, but I do have to disagree with you. I would never buy a caliber that I couldn't use, unless it was for something that I was hoping for someday. If you might barter ammo someday, or not, get more of what you think you may not "need", but you could still use it if you "had to."
Do not trade ammo with random people stay with in your group if you have a person in your group who has a different caliber go ahead and get some. Trading outside your group is just arming someone who might use it against you
Loved the video! My only concern is, that you talked a lot about the ballistic capabilities of M193 vs M855, but didn’t mention anything about the accuracy difference between the two. Paul Harrell made an awesome video showing the difference between the two, and it was a significant difference.
The accuracy difference changes depending on range as well. I havent personally confirmed but m855 is generally known to be more accurate at longer ranges, maybe 200yds+. Whereas m193 is more accurate at short range. This is somewhat or largely dependent in barrel and weapon also.
@@shaunc5102 Yes! That’s exactly right, and that was also my biggest concern about ONLY stockpiling M855. I have a bunch of M855… but the vast majority of my stock pile is M193 specifically because of the accuracy difference
55 grain runs perfectly fine in 1/7 it's way more accurate and the ballistics are way better for m193 out to 300 yards than m855. The m855 usually just goes straight thru someone so if you don't hit a vital theres no wounding capabilities but m193 fragments pretty fast and causes a much bigger wound plus has more velocity than m855
The steel insert in 855 is never totally centered either reducing accuracy. M193 and the expensive ~77 grain stuff is the way to go. I only buy 855 when its cheapest option. It's obviously workable but not ideal imo.
@@mrspin3315 Go back to your airsoft toys Gomer....the 223 needs at least 2400 fps to be effective--at that speed or above it can tumble or break up on the target...below 2400 it stays in one piece.....3200 fps out of a 20 inch tube gives toy about 2450 at 250 yards.......go to a short barrel and commercial 223 ammo, you are talking about 150 yards.....I am just right...go troll somewhere else.
I actually recently made a video on exactly this. My bottom line, do what would be most valuable and readily tradable, and what you will be using to throw lead down range.
That's exactly what I was going to say. M855 is more like sticking them with an icepick. However I do have at least one magazine of green tip painted green just in case I need to penetrate something.
There's quite a few cases of M193 penetrating plates M855 doesn't. This tends to be a short distance thing, like sub 10 yards or whatever the NIJ test distance is. I believe this is due to the higher velocities on impact. M193 also really benefits from 20" barrels and drops off faster at short barrel length than M855. Just other things to consider.
I plan using 5.56 for in the house and .308 outdoors. So M193 is my choice and I stock plenty of 168 Hornady Black for when it’s really needed. I also have plenty of Lake City 147 gr in .308 for the range. 15:53
When it comes to 22lr another company I would recommend is Norma. For auto loaders their TAC-22 comes in the standard 40 grain and it runs absolutely flawlessly through both my m&p 15-22 and Browning buckmark pistol. They also have a nice variety of high speed, varmint and other types of 22 and their prices are hard to beat.
I've had 22lr, 22WMR, 25ACP, 30 Carbine, 3030, 3006, 5.56, 223, 45ACP, 308, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 9mm and 357/38. Each of them has it's place in a collection. I bought whatever was available at the time. I've had 7.62x39 in brass case domestic ammo years ago.
Glad you talked about the twist rate and ammo that works best for what you have. I have a bulk of M855 and some 72gr BTHPs. I have some M193 for the range as they don't like green tips. If you have a AR with a short barrel the M855A1 would be a better round.
Great points, but I have seen videos showing the m855 is worse at penetrating especially body armor vs the m193 because it being faster velocity which is the best way at defeating armor, too bad we can’t get our hands on the newer M855A1 would be best for penetration.
You can get the m855a1, but it's extremely expensive and not practical to stockpile. It also wears your barrel out. For those reasons, not ideal for shtf.
You can get all the M855A1 you want for $3.00 a round. It's a great penetrator, but it just punches ice-pick holes straight through the meat. The M193 gives some nasty wounds at ranges most civilians would ever use in self-defense!
"Would you say I have a PLETHORA?" El Guapo 3: 16 great video, a nice plethora reference I would say we need to do some research and find out a little bit about Chinese body armor, make that a factor in stockpiling!
Agree with your logic. At the end of the day if you are preparing for SHTF then the one shot defensive rounds are not that important your threats will be Qty. As such any nato FMJ round in any caliber will have the needed affect. Look at the Kenosha shooting. The 5.56 ball tore a 3 inch hole in the assailant arm and he was out off the game.
Good info, I stay away from the green tip on my steel targets plus some ranges won’t let you use it because they spark a good bit on impact. 77 grain soft point for defense.
I am NOT running for Congress, and I approve of this message. It is because of people like this that I started to stockpile and prep. I now know what is coming and thank the Lord that I did.
Green tips have been scarce in my area & especially since the panic buying kicked in. I have a lot more FMJ 55 grain than green but I buy them every chance I get. I have every box u have on that table except the black plastic AMMO case the .308 & the far left container 👍.
@@ECTT1776 I made a post about this in the comments just now, most modern body armor can stop 308 AP. So it's definitely gonna stop green tips. I recommend in my comment that people get their hands on hollow points in 5.56. because you'll need to shoot around the plate if someone had one. And the hollow point is really gonna ruin someone's day when it's hits them under the plate in the gut or groin, or in the neck, shoulder or leg. With body armor becoming better and more wide spread green tip (in my stupid layman's opinion) is becoming obsolete in most situations.
@@thecowboy8474 I’m hoping that several placed shots no matter plate or not will at the very least slow someone down. Yeah I knew GT’s won’t penetrate newer armor so hopefully I find some where soon I can practice shooting drills. Right now all I have is 2 ranges that u can’t even rapid fire at all let alone pull and fire from concealment or even OSW holsters. Sucks that training courses are so damn expensive.
@@ECTT1776 I totally feel that. Id suggest practicing drawing from concealment at home so you get the muscle memory and then use the fudd range for low ready drills.
As for 22lr CCI is the filet mignon and most other 22lr are chuck steak.I rarely recreationally shoot my CCI rounds but CCI stingers and a 10/22 and a few bags of potatoes is the most fun you can ever have with a firearm IMO.
.22 Punch has proven a viable self defense load in my suppressed Beretta Bobcat - I only carry it around the farm but it’s Hollywood quiet and does the work... should I need it for two legged predators I can place a shot that will restore the peace.
I stock pile what ever I can buy. I have sealed cans of surplus ammo and boxes of commercial ammo. Various type projectiles and weights. I have multiple different calibers and gauges. Defense, hunting, practice, and SHTF.
If you are a 1990's infantryman, you have a 20" barrel on your rifle that shoots green tip M855 just fine. If you have a shorter barrel, you want the 55 grain bullet. Hand load with 75 and 77 grain may be right for the longest shots, but for F class you need more cartridge AND more bullet. Which do you stockpile? Use time machine and go back to Spring of 2008 to buy. Also, get a dozen SKS's and 10 cases of 7.62x39 for a thousand bux.
Look at barrel twist rate more than length of barrel, 1 in 9 twist, look lighter, 1 in 7 twist check out what the heavier loads do coming out of your barrel. Try a little bit of various sizes and see what your barrel shoots best.
2008 - don't even need to go back that far for ammo deals. I picked up a case of 9mm FMJ name brand brass a month before COVID for $180 shipped, also a case of 5.56 FMJ federal brass for $280 shipped. 7.62 steelcase was under $200 a case then - $180 I think.
Most COMMON AR twist rate is 1:9 and works perfectly fine up to 68gr. Above 68gr you will be better off with 1:8 / 1:7 twist rate. I use Sierra HPBTM in my 1:7 AR that I've tried to clone into the MK 262 round.
@@misterfister7262 1:7 spins the lighter bullets TOO FAST and causes them to destabilize at distance. This rate is better for 68gr and UP. I guess you didn't know the original twist rate for Vietnam issue weapons was 1:12...just saying
What I find amusing is 1/9 on 18" is 2 full revolutions of the projectile. 1/8 on 16" is 2 full rotations of the projectile. 1/7 on 14.5" is 2 full rotations of the projectile. Look at the original M16a1 and its twist rate and an even longer barrel. With gas lengths, port sizes in barrels, etc. It's cool to see what differences you can get. Then again, take 2 identical rifles and they may very well like 2 different types of ammo completely!
Excellent topic sir. I also stick to ammo that is mass produced for military use as well. I do concur with the process of having brass to run in the instruments that require them. I also support having sufficient quantity to not ever run short when necessary. I only wish that we were neighbors!!!LOL
Looking over the limited ammo Available in my area I commented To another shopper that I was Disappointed that only fmj was Available in some of my favorite Calibers. He replied," it will still Kill someone". I agree. Buy what You can get.
Thanks for all the explanation Bro…that was totally understandable, and a much needed conversation, which will help in future purchases of my AR-15 ammo, and my pistols ammo.👍
It seems like I've been beating this dead horse lately. The stated FPS on the box is for a SPECIFIC barrel length and firearm type, temperature and weather condition! Only way to correctly know is to test it in YOUR firearm to confirm. Also confirm your zeros and hold overs for different types of ammo. Zero for 55g, 62g won't hit where you aim. You must confirm and not assume.
All of my firearms have a specific barrel length, it works for me. The weather does change, though, especially with the global warming. Those hurricanes mess up my numbers, and I don't think I'm allowed to shoot Polar Bears in Missouri yet.
Look into .223 Wylde barrels You can shoot .223 or 5.56 with a 1:8 twist Allows you to stockpile both calibers and take advantage of either when you find it for a reasonable price
Hell I just got a ar15 in 223 and I have been shooting 223 and 5.56x45 out of it and have been able to get 1/8 inches Groups at 250yards With Russian ammunition
What are you stockpile you stockpile for every gun your own stockpile as much as you can afford without compromising your other needs. But another thing besides mou stockpile honest cleaning material Parts maintenance tools you name it. You can have all the ammo in the world but if your firearm is not working what good is it
Back in the 80s there was a place that sold 163 APs for the 7.6x51 $100 for 1,000 rds. ,they also had 163 APIs but they were $1 a round, the good old days
I love PMC and Winchester ammo. Only problem is Winchester hasn’t exactly adjusted their price to reflect current supply vs when the pandemic started. At least not in the 5.56 area. Their 9mm is pretty good priced and I was able to stash up 1000 rounds of 115 grain FMJ, but that’s about it.
@@ethanpfarr1998I’ve never had a problem in the thousands of rounds of their cheapest Winchester white box bulk packs. Might be your storage conditions or maybe the condition of your firearm. If you’re shooting a striker fired gun make sure you don’t have a bunch of lube/dirt in your striker channel gumming up the firing pin etc.
I get 223 and 5.56 when ever I find either at a good price. My main ammo to Stock pile is just 7.62x39 Wolf/Tula steel case ammo. You can still get thousand round cases in Alaska for $399 and most of my friends have an AK or AR in 7.62x39 in their arsenal. Looking forward to PSA producing steel case soon!
@Darren Bates If the cheapest viable option to stock was 50BMG then that's what I would be stocking up on lol Plus 7.62x39 is an excellent middle of the road cartridge. It's effective enough for most tasks
My personal stockpile choice by caliber 22LR: whatever I just grab. 22LR lever action isn't picky and its all accurate enough. 9mm: 124 grain because my 16 inch Uzi carbine loves it. 45 ACP: 230 grain. Not much to say here. My EDC loads are 180 grain JHP. 12G: 00 Buck and Slugs because that's how a shotgun do. 5.56: both 62 and 55 grain in separate cans, because why not? 5.45x39: 7N6 for stockpile. 60 grain FMJ for plinking. 7.62x39: 123 and 124 grain. Steel cased. Cheap, reliable and powerful in an AK. 7.62x54r: 7N1 mostly, but really anything I can get my hands on cheap. I reload for it using Winchester brass. 7.62x51: 147 grain because surplus is cheap, FAL and HK-91 run it well and its accurate enough. Also got a big supply of funny calibers and brass because of my Military Surplus rifle collection hobby.
Actually, the M193 does better on steel plates and cover at closer ranges. The 855 works better against ceramic and longer ranges. Personal testing has beared this out.
@@chadhaire1711 Chad needs to do some research.... Numbers don't lie. 193 pens steel better than the fabled 855 at close range. I said better lol; it (193) penetrates and 855 does not....
@@bbppbb11 You have no clue what you are talking about----"personal testing" you read in some comic book---I spent years evaluating weapons and ammo. 193 explodes on steel plate. 855 also explodes but the penetrating tip stays solid and sticks in the metal.......it is the tip that punches through a helmet at 800 yards, NOT the projectile. Same with cement blocks. All of my results were done in front of witnesses and the results printed in numerous national gun publications......There are other tests done after me that match the results. You are in La la land Gomer.
@@bbppbb11 Documented in numerous publications that I WROTE dummy....and any time you want to come out of that fake troll name and keyboard, and bring your money to my local range to put them on target and your money where your mouth is, just step out from hiding Goober. We will see who LMFAO.
You can’t discount the tumble effect of the 55gr. Pretty devastating compared the the straight in sometimes over penetration of the 62gr. I will take the 55gr all day out to 200 yards. Where I live in NC 99% of shots will be 200 yards and less due to terrain
I tend to stockpile ammo based on what guns I have and what works well in them. It’s pretty much that easy. If it works in the guns you have it’s better than not having any at all.
I have an ammo can full of 7.62x39 Working on having a full can off Green tip 5.56 and .308. When I asked the fudds at my LGS if they had any large boxes of green tip he said " Why, are you getting ready for war?"
.22LR 9mm .45ACP 12 Gauge .223/5.56 _7.62x35(.300 Blackout)*_ 7.62x39 .308 Winchester _.300 Win Mag**_ * New, but also versatile compliment to the .223/5.56, but pricey. My go to home def. caliber personally, could omit if you wanted. ** Based off googling 'Hunting Cartridges' the .300 Win Mag coupled with the .308 pretty much covers all game in America
When I “Stocked up” I got inexpensive 5.56 FMJ and then figured I could reload the cases a minimum of 3 times so I grabbed up 1k soft point, 1k HPBT, 1k frag projectiles a keg of powder and case of primers and a hand loader. Total cost $650, you cannot get a case of .223 for that today
I’m more afraid of the person who has a bow and plenty of arrows and knows how to use. A arrow with a double sided broad head I fear worse than a bullet.
Level 3 AR500 plates will stop 62 grain M855. But 193 will punch through it. It seems way to many people don't know this. It takes level 3+ AR500 plates to stop 193 55 grain because of the speed. Plus 193 tumbles in soft tissue which creates a bad wound chanel. M855 basicly punches a hole like a ice pick. It all depends on your mission. Knowledge is key in knowing all the differences between 55 and 62 grain.
Good points. When stockpiling or grabbing ammo and going, the mission will likely be unclear regarding application. Which is why I go for the M855 over the M193 for the aspect of not being without when it comes to slightly more benefits. Thanks for the info!
Incorrect, M855 and 193 punch through level 3 at close range - seen tests that show this to be true. That said, you don't want to be wearing level 3 steel if you are up against 5.56/223 adversaries, good for 7.62x39, 308 FMJ, 12 gauge, and handgun though.
@@monkeymouse1403 I am correct. I've seen it and it's listed on various websites of AR500 armor level 3 plates. Level 3 will stop 5.56 M855/SS109 62 grain green tip
Don't be a target, and move quickly to cover. Infantry is half digging animal to survive fixed positions. Speed is life. Steel plates are acceptable as part of vehicle protection, but when dismounted, be quick and gone.
The spalling coming off of ar500 armor will kill faster than trying to put a bullet through it. And the end of the day, 99.99% of people who have bullets flying at them don't give a shit if they're wearing Gucci level IV armor, or no armor. They also don't give a shit if it's .22lr or .30-06 flying at them, they're going to put their head down.
Too many variables there to dive that deeply into it. For the average consumer, the M193 and M855 are the most likely to be chosen for stockpiling which is why I just discussed their differences rather than applying it to everyone's specific platform.
@@MagicPrepper I think you are onto something, however a cheap soft point is light years better than m855/xm193. Yeah we are not talking about specialty high-tech stuff here but if we’re talking about stockpiling I would say soft points are a better recommendation.
@@Rob-- AR-pistol is best in .300BLK, and double-plus-good with a suppressor. Then, you get a clone of an M16A2 with 20" barrel. Full length heavy barrel is a tack driver, but heavy like a FN-FAL. tapered or fluted barrel with device muzzle thread and bayonet lug will be just right
I agree with u on the m855 green tip and the 9mm nato. I really like the 9mm nato being 124 grain +p it flies at the same speed as 115gr standard 1200fps but is heavier so hits harder i think its the best of both worlds i just got 600 rounds of winchester 9mm NATO for 12 bucks a box.
I would never barter ammunition unless it’s with people in my same group. With outsiders it could be used against you! Calibers I stack: 22lr, 5.56/223, 9mm, 20 &12 gauge and 308
@@knnytitus Agreed! Only ammo I have bought in the last few years is 12 gauge buckshot. I found some for a very reasonable price. I would never pay these outrageous prices.
Two cons you did not mention for the m855: because of its steel core it is not a homogenized bullet, is not balanced as well and therefore is not as accurate down range. If you go m855 you are also dealing a more drop than you would with the m193. And I guess the third that I just thought of saying that is that a lot of BDC reticles out there are tuned to the m193 round so if you are looking to take shots further out you might have more energy down range but chances are you're going to miss or hit extremely low.
All of that is correct, however, in the situations he is referring to,none of that is going to matter. You are more likely to have to shoot through a chevy door or windshield at 50 ft than take a well placed 400 yd shot. You also will be shooting against.....things.....wearing.....stuff.
@@DDDontCare I feel your frustration with the content and its why folks who have a half assed grasp of how ammo works and only reads the data off of the back of boxes, and or thinks that NATO means its higher pressured really bother the shit outta me also. Yes .556 is higher pressure than .223 and its not ment to be shot in .223 chambered firearms but its the reverse for 762x51 and .308. 762x51 has lower chamber pressures than .308 because its ment to be used in a military set standard of use. Now .308 is a hunting cartrage which set specs are all over the place due to diffrent applications and game its used to take as to not destroy the meat. NATO specs are at the LOW end when it comes to 762x51 loading and .308 can have double if not 2.5x the chamber pressures of 762x51 nato loadings. Its why its said you can run 762x51 in a .308 chambered gun and be fine but to run .308 in a 762x51 chambered firearm can be dangerous cause of the extreme pressure loadings of .308 in a 762x51 chamber. Also the 9mm NATO is just slightly higher pressure than standard target ammo but still less than most self defense rounds you buy off the shelf. Folks that dont throughly reasearch topics they talk about like they are experts cause it just says NATO on the box are the ones that will get folks hurt or worse. BTW I agree m193 is more accurate and shoots flatter out to 400m than its GT counterpart but the effective range of both rounds are still almost the same and yes both will go through car doors and windshields with the same effect at close range (50" or less) but I rather take accuracy and speed with my .556 cause with that I get penetration. Cant get penetration when you loose accuracy.
This is why I stack both M193 and M855 50/50 on top of one another in my mags. Best of both worlds and I haven't noticed any difference in POI in ranges under 300 or less. 90% of combat situations happen at around the 50-150 yard range and getting hit with either of these rounds will ruin someone's day regardless of the PPE the target is wearing.
@@amerikhan8507you must have magic rifles. I have quite a few 16 and 18" AR-15s and do notice a fairly significant shift in POI between the two. M193 also chronos at 3200+ fps and M855 usually around 2950-ish. You're going to get quite the significant difference in drop past 200 m. Just plug the stats into any ballistic calculator to confirm. But I agree getting hit by either would ruin your day
For a budget AR15 that will shoot Tulammo look no further than PSA classic or freedom. We are talking about the typical 16 inch upper. Factory Zero your sights. There are many how-to’s out there. Start out at 25 yards and keep shooting until you can shoot a ragged hole out of the center of a target. This is where you adjust the sights If you are new than shoot off the bench (you can practice standing later). Then get yourself a red dot. Don't get anything cheaper than a Bushnell trs25 and do not get anything bigger than a 3moa red dot. You will need a UTG mid mount riser to properly cowitness. Make sure the red dot is mounted as far forward on the upper without having it hang over. Make sure you can still shoot a ragged hole out of the center of a target after adjusting the red dot with the sights. From here you can start shooting steel silhouettes out to 300 yards and you will hit it. So my point is you can shoot cheap tulammo and I have found it to be really accurate. And the Red dot I recommended is really reliable. My point is you don't have to spend a lot of money to get a very accurate rifle. If you can afford better equipment and projectiles GO FOR IT! The same principles apply.
Just came back to this one, always great MP.. 4-5 holes in something will change the somethings health and well being , depending where went IN the something.. Don't turn away from 22lr.. I mostly bang CCI , consistent load is what i want , and a bang is always good😀😀 Placement , Placement
Agreed. Remember one thing that excludes 12 ,9mm, and 5.56 from the list. If you can see your target, it can see you. Do all 7.62/.308. Also uses the common 30 caliber projectile. Most commonly used size worldwide.
I have all of the 5.56 M193 and M855 that I want. I'm buying .SP/HP 5.56 ammo, now. I'm only buying HP handgun (.22 Magnum, .38 Special, 9mm and .45acp ammo, subsonic .22LR and 20ga #6 birdshot, #3 buckshot and slugs.
CCI Mini Mags and Stingers are great. The Aguilla 22lr selection is nearly equal to the CCI and affordable. I stockpiled cases of that when prices fell after the Obama crisis. I noticed that throughout this shortage there has been a steady supply of 350 Legend and 243 Winchester. I own a .243 but I have no info on 350 Legend. Is that an EH! cartridge?
7.62x54R, 7.62 X 39, 22LR, 357 mag. 38 spl, 7.62 Nagant, 9 MM, 12g, 20g, 410 bore and 380 Auto. Eleven in all, totaling about 12K rounds. Don't own an AR but do own an SKS.
I have a bunch of IMI ammunition 77 grain 5.56 and a bunch of 55 grain wolf. Any opinion on steel case. Also I question your claim that the 62 grain out penetrates a 55 grain. I thought velocity was the driving factor in penetration especially against body armor. Lighter bullets are faster. Or is there another factor here, like the 62 grain being a hotter load?
Sometimes. SS109 adds SOME additional medium barrier penetration at medium ranges compared to the slightly faster 55 grain. It's not 150 grain M80, but adds essentially no weight and no space in your pack. May the odds be ever in your favor.
1 of My choices are slightly different from others, 1. .22lr ad magnum, 2.380acp (only because of the hi point 3895ts carbine rifle it's the only 380 rifle ever made and the power of that cartridge in that rifle is equal to a 9mm handgun) 3. 9mm. I say having a rifle and handgun with the same caliber is a good combo, even your backup should be the same as your EDC. (I like pistol caliber rifles) and yes a 12 Guage shotgun!
The best answer to any argument of which caliber is better comes in the form of a question: "Which one are you willing to be shot with?" The first time you hear a bullet crackle by your head, it'll make you a lot less pretentious about ballistics, and all preconceptions of accuracy become very skewed.
Agreed, @Hans Stein. I regret that I had a bad fishing trip and lost all my guns and ammo at the bottom of a lake. I didn't get to shoot a single fish!
@Hans Stein Right, but probably not as well as somewhere like New York, San Francisco, D.C., or Chicago, where the police have real authority to protect and serve. Best of all, since guns are highly regulated there, it's surely safe! 😜
@Hans Stein 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 great joke man! The only thing the officers around me are prepared for is to stomp on your constitutional rights and arrest you for being patriot to this country
Of course you stock 5.56, .308, 9mm and .22lr. But, do you have a specific type of cartridge? Or do you just grab whatever you can find? Hopefully this video helped give some things to focus on or at least consider when stashing ammo for the long term who knows what.
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@@dababycar2899 Agreed
I think a good all around bullet for 1:7 is Mk262 but it's a little pricey, although I think it's worth it because it has good ballistics out of short and long barrels
I really want an FS2000 chambered for 30×06 but for now all I have is a 22.LR that i desperately need new ammo for. Sometimes i get scared the stuff i have is gonna get stuck in the barrel lol.
Many indoor and outdoor ranges don’t allow M855 so it sits around. Steel case or 55g for classes. 77g gives the best of both worlds, short barrel or long range even though it’s pricy. Ammo used in training is more valuable than stockpiling with zero experience
Easy one, buy ammo for the guns you have.
Don't oun a 9 mm. Will stock up on items that l will be able to use. Carried a 40 sw at my job, fell in love with it , won't change now.
A .22 Magnum revolver that can fire .22lr and .22 short is good utility piece for misc. found traded ammo. CCI is very good because they have good quality control of rimfire primers.
Nothing wrong with a .40, don't understand the negativity lately
I buy guns for the ammo I have
@@timgundlach1272 I think it’s because people think it’s a trans round.
The prosecutor in the Kyle trial said hollow point ammo becomes explosive when it hits a deer . So That’s the kind I want to store . Sounds like I can just shoot and cook the meat all at once
Yeah that was subconscious psychological predictive programming propaganda. 😉
20mm HEAT that arms by rotation? There are 20mm semi auto and booties, but they make .50BMG seem like an economical lightweight option.
Lol 😂 just go with dragon breath roast while hunting
😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂
Right. That prosecutor literally out his own foot right in his mouth. U would think that a prosecuting attorney would be educated on the case he/she is working. The kid was defending himself and that comment the attorney made about falsely exploding cartridges is helping prove the self defense case on Kyle's behalf.
22 LR, 9mm, 7.62X39, 223/556, 12 gauge, 20 gauge, 30-06. Those are my personal favorites. I’m not too picky about grains, or manufacturers.
Mmmmm 20 gauge 3" mag reloads.. 28 pellets of #4B... That's my wife's go to 🤩🤩
Same except I do not like steel rounds
Same here, but .308 instead of 30.06, no 7.62x39 or 20 gauge. I buy xm193 in bulk, as well as .308 in 147 gr. Just got rid of .300 Blk, as I had a blackout round go through my .223 barrel. I sold the gun and ammo. That was a really lucky shot that I didn’t get hurt or killed. FN barrels are tough.
Also have revolvers in .38,.357 and .44 magnum. They also need ammo!
Exactly add 40sw 45acp 10mm 300aac and 308win and that’s exactly what I stock up on haha
I stock most of those calibers as well
Thanks for saying "plethora". It means a lot.
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I see what you did there.
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Always good info on here, but is anyone else impressed by how well he speaks on camera? He rarely flubs things up and never has to do crazy edit jobs on his videos. I like to appreciate the finer things. Just wanted to share that observation.
He's an articulate prepper
@@cvshav new channel? 'The Articulate Prepper'?
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Not to mention peppy, lol! "Now HIT that subscribe button!!"
Running a TH-cam channel myself, I’ve said this about MP a few times. It’s incredible haha I do about 1 minute segments and edit them together. I could never do 15 mins off the dome!
I'm super happy for the info about the 22 ammo. I'm disabled, and a 22 is all I can handle. So, thanks mucho! I appreciate it!
Glad you found it useful!
You may be able to handle more with the right gun, assuming you have use of two arms. Is the issue weight, recoil, or both?
.32 caliber revolvers with non magnum rounds offer minimal recoil, and substantially more power and reliability compared to rimfire.
The Shield EZ 380 was designed to offer minimal recoil.
If you are going to stick with 22, a revolver make more sense for the sake of reliability.
If you can afford the ammo, I suggest a Ruger 57. The velocities and ballistics are incredible. Very low recoil and the .27 grain will go right through level 3 soft armor.
22lr is very effective. I'm also disabled and recoil of most loads isn't tolerable.
I choose a Ruger 10-22 for the job.
Remember , the 22lr has been doing its job since 1887 from hunting and sport to Self defense.
(Here come the Caliber war comments 🙄 )
Very common misconception 22 actually has more recoil than some other larger guns weight per velocity yada yada you’d be surprised nine mill may have less Kik than your particular pistol always consult an expert not me. FYI always get copper jacketed for pistols the lead tip can leave residue inside barrel possible catastrophic failures long-term. Pistols specifically rifles are another story.
Simple for me 22lr 9mm 45ACP .308 12 ga (slugs 00buck, BBshot, 6shot, 8shot)
Got rid of my AR-15 and moved to a AR-10 for hunting and self defense. At 70 I'm not going to be running and gunning. I can do more with 308 168 grain match grade. 180 grain soft tip for hunting. Stock more M80 150 grain. Mostly for practice.
Still investing in precious metals
LEAD & BRASS
I LIKE GOING HEAVY ON EVERYTHING. I THINK IT'S WORTH THE EXTRA MONEY FOR THE KNOCK DOWN POWER
THUMBS UP ON CCI 22LR! MY FAVORITE!
We're on the same page brother.
Be safe and healthy
For 308 I only really like bolt guns and the DPMS G2 Recon, the lightweight one. With the muzzle break you can buy with it it handles the same as an M4. Except in .308. Other AR-10 designs are just too heavy with too much recoil/muzzle rise for me. That muzzle break makes even that light gun have practically no recoil or flip. I love it.
If you live in the US, I would recomend having a rifle that fires 5.56/.223, just because it is the most common here. It would be easier to scrounge if need be.
CCI is the way to go! Love them stingers and velocitors!!
Truly the best .22lr in my opinion.
That federal ammo from Walmart is a great deal for 325 rounds at $21!
I had a bunch of .22lr Remington a few years ago that was junk not put together good loose and falling apart outta the box. CCI is much better made.
Just got some 22 plinkster branded 'stangers'
7.62x39 Is my stockpile for when SHTF. I can hunt, defend my family from any attacker and it cost me pennies on the dollar few years back and still got enough to pass down
I have the Beretta M9-22LR and you can stockpile any Ammo for it without worrying about reliability. It does NOT malfunction. Great pistol, just wanted to share.
My only issue with M855 is it's tendency to ice pick. M193 and M855A1 don't have that issue, and while A1 is rare, M193 is common with consistent wounding characteristics. Velocity or bullet construction is key. That's why I stick with longer barrels and lighter projectiles.
What do you mean by ice pick?
@cjgames001 So ice picking can be seen in one of three examples. Cavitation gel, ballistics gel, and use in the third world. Ice picking is what you commonly see called "the neck" in a ballistics gel test. It's the point where a projectile remains both stable and intact. M855 consistently has 6" or more of neck in both ballistics and cavitation gel. This translates to .22 caliber or smaller wound tracks passing right through half starved fighters doing little to no damage, keeping them in the fight longer. M855A1, by encapsulating both penetrators with what is essentially a light for weight fragmenting hollowpoint while the shape of both the penetrators encourages yaw upon separation, avoids the ice picking issue by not relying on yaw for terminal effect. At worst, you get 3" of neck. M193 is different than M855 because it's so low mass and high velocity, that it relies on fragmentation over yaw for wounding. This also makes M193 less effective in shorter barrels and out to longer ranges than M855A1. That being said, you consistently get 3" or less of neck. Now, if you're willing to spend a $1.20 a round in your stockpile, MK262 and most of its clones have consistent terminal ballistics within the effective range of the barrel you put it through. 77gr. OTM/boat tailled hollowpoints are just great at tearing up soft stuff with a consistent 2" of neck. There is the worry that MK262 can't penetrate armor, but realistically, M193, M855, and M855A1 can't defeat level 3+/SRT or level 4 plates either, so practice failure drills and pelvis shots. Barrier penetration may also seem to be an issue, but good barrier performance tends to go hand in hand with poor terminal performance outside of M855A1, so should be left in the hands of a crew serve weapon of higher caliber or volume of fire (your DMR, SAW with M855, or situation dependantly a GPMG). Moral of that story is your SHTF plan ought not be a lone wolf plan, but if it is, avoidance ought to be prioritized with terminal performance being massively important should you need to use your rifle.
@@brianzimmerman4837 Thank you for that detailed info! With that in mind is 5.56 a caliber that you would recommend for a multipurpose role as relates to say something like a patrol or infantry rifle? It seems like shot placement is what counts with most of the practical or available ammo types like (m193,m855,etc).
Cheers!
@cjgames001 Sure thing. I'll break it down by different types of rounds and optimal barrel lengths. So common knowledge among gun nerds is that 5.56 gets its wounding from velocity. While this is mostly true, and most loads need to go at least 2300-2500fps when they reach the target to do significant damage, there are some quirks with different loads. Let's take M193 as the first example, it being the first chambering for the AR15 series of rifles. It's most effective at 0-300 meters from a 20" barrel. Keep in mind that the rate you lose velocity from chopping down a 5.56 barrel is parabolic, so you can expect relatively little loss in capability between 20"-16" (you lose about 50 meters) and slightly more between 16"-14.5 (you lose another 50 meters) down to a 10.5, where M193 essentially becomes a 50 meter cartridge if you want to maintain rifle wounding characteristics. I'm not saying you can't hurt something past that, but it's operating more like .22 mag from 50 meters onwards. Long story short, M193 is for your point blank range encounters (0-300) and is a great generalist round so long as you have a slower twist barrel that's 14.5" or longer. Moving forward in military history to M855, and you get a round that's excellent for barrier penetrarion. If you want a lot of cheap ammo that can punch through car doors and windshields accurately, M855 is your guy. If you're looking for a round that delivers reliable one shot stops outside of directly hitting the nervous system, look elsewhere. Like I said in my last comment, it was practically made for the SAW. The next step was the best step, in my opinion. Mk262 was designed in tandem with the SPR program, and because of that, it had a ton of input from SOCOM on what they needed and what it did. It's a more accurate round than almost anything else on the market and has insane terminal ballistics even at lower velocities around 2000fps. This extends its range out of most barrel lengths. While I would still avoid 10 inch barrels with it outside of sneezing distance, you realistically add 200 meters of effective terminal ballistics to any given barrel length. Special forces units took it out to 800m effectively and repeatedly in Afghanistan with 14"-20" barrels. It's great out of short barrels up close, and it's great out of longer barrels out further. It's M193 on steroids. The final step in 5.56's military story is M855A1. While it is a barrel burning, extractor chewing, chunker of a round, it's the happy medium between M193's terminal performance out to 300 meters in a 14.5, but with M855's barrier blindness and ability to buck wind. It loses out to Mk262 in three ways, though, effective range, terminal effect (which is exponentially greater from Mk262), and availability. As expensive as Mk262 is, Uncle Sam is holding almost all of the M855A1 and isn't surplusing any anytime soon. And unlike Mk262, other countries aren't cloning or using it, so there is no surplus from abroad either, unfortunately. From there you move into the civilian world of hunting and self defense where everything is a delicate balance of penetrarion and expansion. Bonded soft point can be absolute garbage for 2 legged predators if the projectile is too heavy or the round is moving too fast. FBI found a goldilocks zone for their round that hits an even 18" of penetrarion in their gel test from their short rifles. But it's hard to find a good clone or the ammo that they use. Hollowpoints also have a tendency to underpenetrate and expand unpredictably which isn't ideal for anything outside of varmint hunting. I could go on for a minute and in more detail, but I've hit the character limit for comments repeatedly, so imma cut it off here and leave room for any more questions.
@@brianzimmerman4837 You have to be the best single wealth of knowledge I've encountered in the comments! Thank you for your time and breaking that down for me to understand. As far as MK262 goes, is it the unicorn of the civilian market in terms of availability? Also, is there any clones of the MK262? Truth be told I'm just learning about this round now most of my "experience" is with m855. With this knowledge I'm thinking a diverse stockpile would make the most sense for SHTF. Thoughts?
Barrel length and twist rate change those numbers. It's less than advertised anyway. On top of that it won't matter if you ever have to use it in shtf.
Figure out where it hits at 50 100 200 and then worry about things that will matter more
If you're running 1:7 twist I recommend Mk262 in general regardless of barrel weight
@@ClitoridectomyGroyper I believe MK308 mod 1 is superior. M855a1 too! Mk262 for distances past 400+.💜 I use Barnes 110 300 though as it’s heavily superior.
As much as you can for the calibers you have. Thats my motto.
I bought .22lr for 7.98 per 550 of thunderbolt at Walmart years ago. I think I have about 12,000 rounds stored in ammo cans.
Common is the key word. Buy what you need and what is common with military and law enforcement, they might ultimately become your main source long term.
If you are trading for or bartering away ammo, you are doing it wrong.
My thoughts; if we get to the point of bartering ammo, I would do it for another ammo. Period.
I recently bought a Taurus TX22, and that striker fired pistol will shoot and cycle anything. I also have (and recommend) a .22LR conversion kit for AR15 rifles. It's basically just swapping out the bolt carrier group, and using the .22LR magazines that came with it. I paid about $200 for it, and I use it all the time so I don't have to shoot my 5.56 ammo when practicing.
Nah just get a 10/22 lmao
Tippman arms m4 22 is probably the most fun rifle I own. $500 AR-15 chambered in 22 and I’ve never had a single malfunction which is insane for a .22
The TX 22 is a great gun to practice with. Don’t use Remington ammo in it unless you like clearing malfunctions.
Besides stocking up on the caliber and gauge for the guns you do have, buy a box or two of ammo you don't have and use it for barter. Also don't forget to stock up on some supplies that help keep your firearms maintain and functional.
Now, I've been joking on the comments tonight, but I do have to disagree with you. I would never buy a caliber that I couldn't use, unless it was for something that I was hoping for someday. If you might barter ammo someday, or not, get more of what you think you may not "need", but you could still use it if you "had to."
Do not trade ammo with random people stay with in your group if you have a person in your group who has a different caliber go ahead and get some. Trading outside your group is just arming someone who might use it against you
Loved the video! My only concern is, that you talked a lot about the ballistic capabilities of M193 vs M855, but didn’t mention anything about the accuracy difference between the two. Paul Harrell made an awesome video showing the difference between the two, and it was a significant difference.
The accuracy difference changes depending on range as well. I havent personally confirmed but m855 is generally known to be more accurate at longer ranges, maybe 200yds+. Whereas m193 is more accurate at short range. This is somewhat or largely dependent in barrel and weapon also.
Isn't m855 steel core? And If that steel core isn't perfectly centered in the round it will cause accuracy issue from what iv heard..
@@shaunc5102 Yes! That’s exactly right, and that was also my biggest concern about ONLY stockpiling M855. I have a bunch of M855… but the vast majority of my stock pile is M193 specifically because of the accuracy difference
@@FirearmFanatic3006 i prefer the 55gr also
55 grain runs perfectly fine in 1/7 it's way more accurate and the ballistics are way better for m193 out to 300 yards than m855. The m855 usually just goes straight thru someone so if you don't hit a vital theres no wounding capabilities but m193 fragments pretty fast and causes a much bigger wound plus has more velocity than m855
The steel insert in 855 is never totally centered either reducing accuracy. M193 and the expensive ~77 grain stuff is the way to go. I only buy 855 when its cheapest option. It's obviously workable but not ideal imo.
@@Klaus293 LOL..sure you can Gomer....or just aim at the sky and hit 2500 yards.....REAL EFFECTIVE RANGE is 250 at best.
@@chadhaire1711 your just wrong!
@@mrspin3315 Go back to your airsoft toys Gomer....the 223 needs at least 2400 fps to be effective--at that speed or above it can tumble or break up on the target...below 2400 it stays in one piece.....3200 fps out of a 20 inch tube gives toy about 2450 at 250 yards.......go to a short barrel and commercial 223 ammo, you are talking about 150 yards.....I am just right...go troll somewhere else.
@@chadhaire1711 I've hit targets out to 400 yard's with 5.56!
I think having 22LR, 5.56, 7.62x39, 308, 9mm, 45acp and 12 gauge ammo and the platforms to shoot them out of and you’re set.
Those are quality calibers for sure.
@@SquidGunman There’s nothing on the North American continent that cannot be addressed in my opinion.
Only four calibers needed-.22, .223, 7.62x39 and 9 mm. That’s it !
And I could always use the 7.62x39.
You are right on!
223 makes more sense because you can shoot it out of a 5.56 barrel
12 gauge, come on. Versatility.
I'd add 7.62x51 for long range shooting, but yeah.
I actually recently made a video on exactly this. My bottom line, do what would be most valuable and readily tradable, and what you will be using to throw lead down range.
I stock both, but prefer M193 over M855 due to it's superior performance in flesh.
I only stock 250 rounds of M855, but I have several thousand of M193
That's exactly what I was going to say. M855 is more like sticking them with an icepick. However I do have at least one magazine of green tip painted green just in case I need to penetrate something.
why not every other round is opposite when you load mags lol
M855 has better performance at distance, but m193 will typically do better sans armor penetration within 100 yds
@@drtyhay M193 is better at the tumble effect on tissue it causes more damage M855 is not that great but if its all that is available in my area
CCI 40 grain mini mags and Velocitors are my go to. I stocked up on thunderduds and Winchesters for trading.
I love the Velocitors!
There's quite a few cases of M193 penetrating plates M855 doesn't. This tends to be a short distance thing, like sub 10 yards or whatever the NIJ test distance is. I believe this is due to the higher velocities on impact. M193 also really benefits from 20" barrels and drops off faster at short barrel length than M855. Just other things to consider.
I said the same thing
I plan using 5.56 for in the house and .308 outdoors. So M193 is my choice and I stock plenty of 168 Hornady Black for when it’s really needed.
I also have plenty of Lake City 147 gr in .308 for the range. 15:53
@@robertgoodrich8953 My main concern is in house. I live in a highly populated area. I don't need a stray going into my neighbors house.
Velocity does a lot. Xm193 will dent hardened steel at 100yds, where 168grain .308 doesn't even though the 308 spins the plate way better.
During the Covid gun and ammo shortage I saw 357 Sig, 40 S&W, 243, 7mm Remington mag, 20 gauge. Saw some 45 colt too.
When it comes to 22lr another company I would recommend is Norma. For auto loaders their TAC-22 comes in the standard 40 grain and it runs absolutely flawlessly through both my m&p 15-22 and Browning buckmark pistol. They also have a nice variety of high speed, varmint and other types of 22 and their prices are hard to beat.
I've had 22lr, 22WMR, 25ACP, 30 Carbine, 3030, 3006, 5.56, 223, 45ACP, 308, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 9mm and 357/38. Each of them has it's place in a collection. I bought whatever was available at the time. I've had 7.62x39 in brass case domestic ammo years ago.
I forgot about the 410, 20GA and the 12GA.
Glad you talked about the twist rate and ammo that works best for what you have. I have a bulk of M855 and some 72gr BTHPs. I have some M193 for the range as they don't like green tips. If you have a AR with a short barrel the M855A1 would be a better round.
In shortys ive heard the fiocci 40gr vmax and the 55gr tsx from barnes are good loads with a 10"-12.5 barrel
they've done testing and found the 62gr green tip isnt any better at defeating body armor. smaller and faster defeats armor not slower and heavier
Great points, but I have seen videos showing the m855 is worse at penetrating especially body armor vs the m193 because it being faster velocity which is the best way at defeating armor, too bad we can’t get our hands on the newer M855A1 would be best for penetration.
If your concern is body armor, go big. 300 Win, 338 Lapua, or change your shot placement.
You can get the m855a1, but it's extremely expensive and not practical to stockpile. It also wears your barrel out. For those reasons, not ideal for shtf.
You can get all the M855A1 you want for $3.00 a round. It's a great penetrator, but it just punches ice-pick holes straight through the meat. The M193 gives some nasty wounds at ranges most civilians would ever use in self-defense!
My personal stockpile:
22lr (CCI Mini)
9mm (CCI Blazer)
556 (PMC)
308 (PMC)
12G (Captor)
20G (Captor)
Solid choices
"Would you say I have a PLETHORA?" El Guapo 3: 16 great video, a nice plethora reference I would say we need to do some research and find out a little bit about Chinese body armor, make that a factor in stockpiling!
Agree with your logic. At the end of the day if you are preparing for SHTF then the one shot defensive rounds are not that important your threats will be Qty. As such any nato FMJ round in any caliber will have the needed affect. Look at the Kenosha shooting. The 5.56 ball tore a 3 inch hole in the assailant arm and he was out off the game.
You must mean the “Kenosha self defense”
I have not had any problems with Remington 'Thunderbolt' running through my 1022 or other name brands for that matter..
Good info, I stay away from the green tip on my steel targets plus some ranges won’t let you use it because they spark a good bit on impact. 77 grain soft point for defense.
That is an issue that's true.
No I haven't watched a video yet but the top 6 is 12 gauge, 22 LR, 9 mm, .30-06, .223/5.56, .308 because how common they are.
Awesome breakdown of different ammo calibers to stock! Theres some good Veterans Day sales still going on!
I am NOT running for Congress, and I approve of this message. It is because of people like this that I started to stockpile and prep. I now know what is coming and thank the Lord that I did.
Green tips have been scarce in my area & especially since the panic buying kicked in. I have a lot more FMJ 55 grain than green but I buy them every chance I get. I have every box u have on that table except the black plastic AMMO case the .308 & the far left container 👍.
Green tip is garbage anyway 🤷♂️
@@misterfister7262 why u say that?
@@ECTT1776 I made a post about this in the comments just now, most modern body armor can stop 308 AP. So it's definitely gonna stop green tips. I recommend in my comment that people get their hands on hollow points in 5.56. because you'll need to shoot around the plate if someone had one. And the hollow point is really gonna ruin someone's day when it's hits them under the plate in the gut or groin, or in the neck, shoulder or leg. With body armor becoming better and more wide spread green tip (in my stupid layman's opinion) is becoming obsolete in most situations.
@@thecowboy8474 I’m hoping that several placed shots no matter plate or not will at the very least slow someone down. Yeah I knew GT’s won’t penetrate newer armor so hopefully I find some where soon I can practice shooting drills. Right now all I have is 2 ranges that u can’t even rapid fire at all let alone pull and fire from concealment or even OSW holsters. Sucks that training courses are so damn expensive.
@@ECTT1776 I totally feel that. Id suggest practicing drawing from concealment at home so you get the muscle memory and then use the fudd range for low ready drills.
As for 22lr CCI is the filet mignon and most other 22lr are chuck steak.I rarely recreationally shoot my CCI rounds but CCI stingers and a 10/22 and a few bags of potatoes is the most fun you can ever have with a firearm IMO.
Try frozen apples they are fun also
.22 Punch has proven a viable self defense load in my suppressed Beretta Bobcat - I only carry it around the farm but it’s Hollywood quiet and does the work... should I need it for two legged predators I can place a shot that will restore the peace.
I stock pile what ever I can buy. I have sealed cans of surplus ammo and boxes of commercial ammo. Various type projectiles and weights.
I have multiple different calibers and gauges.
Defense, hunting, practice, and SHTF.
If you are a 1990's infantryman, you have a 20" barrel on your rifle that shoots green tip M855 just fine. If you have a shorter barrel, you want the 55 grain bullet. Hand load with 75 and 77 grain may be right for the longest shots, but for F class you need more cartridge AND more bullet.
Which do you stockpile? Use time machine and go back to Spring of 2008 to buy. Also, get a dozen SKS's and 10 cases of 7.62x39 for a thousand bux.
Yeah he’s really cute you can tell he just found out about this stuff recently. 😊
Look at barrel twist rate more than length of barrel, 1 in 9 twist, look lighter, 1 in 7 twist check out what the heavier loads do coming out of your barrel. Try a little bit of various sizes and see what your barrel shoots best.
I wish I did so back in the day.
2008 - don't even need to go back that far for ammo deals. I picked up a case of 9mm FMJ name brand brass a month before COVID for $180 shipped, also a case of 5.56 FMJ federal brass for $280 shipped. 7.62 steelcase was under $200 a case then - $180 I think.
22LR
22WMR
9mm
7.62x39
308
That's my opinion and I'm stick'en to it.
Most COMMON AR twist rate is 1:9 and works perfectly fine up to 68gr. Above 68gr you will be better off with 1:8 / 1:7 twist rate. I use Sierra HPBTM in my 1:7 AR that I've tried to clone into the MK 262 round.
Pretty sure 1:7 is the most common..
@@misterfister7262 1:8 is actually the most common, 1:7 next, then 1:9.
@@misterfister7262 1:7 spins the lighter bullets TOO FAST and causes them to destabilize at distance. This rate is better for 68gr and UP. I guess you didn't know the original twist rate for Vietnam issue weapons was 1:12...just saying
@@Stonehombre1 1:7 is more common. 🤷♂️
@@Stonehombre1👎🏻
What I find amusing is 1/9 on 18" is 2 full revolutions of the projectile. 1/8 on 16" is 2 full rotations of the projectile. 1/7 on 14.5" is 2 full rotations of the projectile. Look at the original M16a1 and its twist rate and an even longer barrel. With gas lengths, port sizes in barrels, etc. It's cool to see what differences you can get. Then again, take 2 identical rifles and they may very well like 2 different types of ammo completely!
22lr could easily be used as currency
So true
Is now. I paid a guy for work with unobtainium .22lr at ten cents a round during the panic last year. Property taxes paid in digital fiat currency.
Excellent topic sir. I also stick to ammo that is mass produced for military use as well. I do concur with the process of having brass to run in the instruments that require them. I also support having sufficient quantity to not ever run short when necessary. I only wish that we were neighbors!!!LOL
As a handloader, stocking jhp 9mm is pretty easy.
If I have enough time to handload 10,000 rounds of 9mm, come find me haha
Looking over the limited ammo
Available in my area I commented
To another shopper that I was
Disappointed that only fmj was
Available in some of my favorite
Calibers. He replied," it will still
Kill someone". I agree. Buy what
You can get.
Thanks for all the explanation Bro…that was totally understandable, and a much needed conversation, which will help in future purchases of my AR-15 ammo, and my pistols ammo.👍
Thunderbolt 22ammo I've had bad problems with it and accuracy sucked..
Good advice from this guy
It seems like I've been beating this dead horse lately. The stated FPS on the box is for a SPECIFIC barrel length and firearm type, temperature and weather condition!
Only way to correctly know is to test it in YOUR firearm to confirm. Also confirm your zeros and hold overs for different types of ammo.
Zero for 55g, 62g won't hit where you aim. You must confirm and not assume.
All of my firearms have a specific barrel length, it works for me. The weather does change, though, especially with the global warming. Those hurricanes mess up my numbers, and I don't think I'm allowed to shoot Polar Bears in Missouri yet.
Look into .223 Wylde barrels
You can shoot .223 or 5.56 with a 1:8 twist
Allows you to stockpile both calibers and take advantage of either when you find it for a reasonable price
Hell I just got a ar15 in 223 and I have been shooting 223 and 5.56x45 out of it and have been able to get 1/8 inches Groups at 250yards With Russian ammunition
I just need some of these magic explodie bullets binger keeps talking about.
What are you stockpile you stockpile for every gun your own stockpile as much as you can afford without compromising your other needs. But another thing besides mou stockpile honest cleaning material Parts maintenance tools you name it. You can have all the ammo in the world but if your firearm is not working what good is it
Every AR I build is a 1/8 twist. It's objectively the best.
What's the rational for 1/8 over 1/9. Just curious
@@skeet3301/8 will stabilize heavy bullets like 77 grains while not being too fast for lighter grain bullets. It's also the twist rate for the AK74.
Another great video. As a Dakota native, the south though, I look forward to your videos.
AT TODAY'S PRICES, best to get a credit card(s), buy as much as possible - then declare bankruptcy !
Back in the 80s there was a place that sold 163 APs for the 7.6x51 $100 for 1,000 rds. ,they also had 163 APIs but they were $1 a round, the good old days
I love PMC and Winchester ammo. Only problem is Winchester hasn’t exactly adjusted their price to reflect current supply vs when the pandemic started. At least not in the 5.56 area. Their 9mm is pretty good priced and I was able to stash up 1000 rounds of 115 grain FMJ, but that’s about it.
Have you ever shot any? All Winchester 9 I’ve bought is garbage
@@ethanpfarr1998really? They are one of the most reputable ammo brands out there. Maybe it’s your storage conditions.
@@ethanpfarr1998I’ve never had a problem in the thousands of rounds of their cheapest Winchester white box bulk packs. Might be your storage conditions or maybe the condition of your firearm. If you’re shooting a striker fired gun make sure you don’t have a bunch of lube/dirt in your striker channel gumming up the firing pin etc.
Military has been using Colts with a 1/7 twist with 55grain for years. If you can get 223/556 get it.
I get 223 and 5.56 when ever I find either at a good price.
My main ammo to Stock pile is just 7.62x39 Wolf/Tula steel case ammo. You can still get thousand round cases in Alaska for $399 and most of my friends have an AK or AR in 7.62x39 in their arsenal. Looking forward to PSA producing steel case soon!
I can't wait to see what PSA is going to bring to the table with their steel case ammo!
@Darren Bates irrelevant. His buddies use it. Can't hurt to back them up with a crate or two.
@Darren Bates If the cheapest viable option to stock was 50BMG then that's what I would be stocking up on lol
Plus 7.62x39 is an excellent middle of the road cartridge. It's effective enough for most tasks
If you can try baurnel brand. Store longer cause of lacquer. Plus they are normally with 10fps between cartridges
@Darren Bates 762 is cheaper than 556
My personal stockpile choice by caliber
22LR: whatever I just grab. 22LR lever action isn't picky and its all accurate enough.
9mm: 124 grain because my 16 inch Uzi carbine loves it.
45 ACP: 230 grain. Not much to say here. My EDC loads are 180 grain JHP.
12G: 00 Buck and Slugs because that's how a shotgun do.
5.56: both 62 and 55 grain in separate cans, because why not?
5.45x39: 7N6 for stockpile. 60 grain FMJ for plinking.
7.62x39: 123 and 124 grain. Steel cased. Cheap, reliable and powerful in an AK.
7.62x54r: 7N1 mostly, but really anything I can get my hands on cheap. I reload for it using Winchester brass.
7.62x51: 147 grain because surplus is cheap, FAL and HK-91 run it well and its accurate enough.
Also got a big supply of funny calibers and brass because of my Military Surplus rifle collection hobby.
Actually, the M193 does better on steel plates and cover at closer ranges. The 855 works better against ceramic and longer ranges. Personal testing has beared this out.
bullshit.
@@chadhaire1711 Chad needs to do some research.... Numbers don't lie. 193 pens steel better than the fabled 855 at close range. I said better lol; it (193) penetrates and 855 does not....
@@bbppbb11 You have no clue what you are talking about----"personal testing" you read in some comic book---I spent years evaluating weapons and ammo. 193 explodes on steel plate. 855 also explodes but the penetrating tip stays solid and sticks in the metal.......it is the tip that punches through a helmet at 800 yards, NOT the projectile. Same with cement blocks. All of my results were done in front of witnesses and the results printed in numerous national gun publications......There are other tests done after me that match the results.
You are in La la land Gomer.
@@chadhaire1711 Source; Trust me Bro? LMAO whatever dude. Better get out there some more all I can say. "Sticks in the steel" LMMFAO 🤡
@@bbppbb11 Documented in numerous publications that I WROTE dummy....and any time you want to come out of that fake troll name and keyboard, and bring your money to my local range to put them on target and your money where your mouth is, just step out from hiding Goober. We will see who LMFAO.
Consider the need for .22LR subsonic after SHTF.
You can’t discount the tumble effect of the 55gr. Pretty devastating compared the the straight in sometimes over penetration of the 62gr. I will take the 55gr all day out to 200 yards. Where I live in NC 99% of shots will be 200 yards and less due to terrain
I tend to stockpile ammo based on what guns I have and what works well in them. It’s pretty much that easy. If it works in the guns you have it’s better than not having any at all.
I have an ammo can full of 7.62x39
Working on having a full can off Green tip 5.56 and .308. When I asked the fudds at my LGS if they had any large boxes of green tip he said " Why, are you getting ready for war?"
"We don't decide when War comes to our basement." - Me probably
.22LR
9mm
.45ACP
12 Gauge
.223/5.56
_7.62x35(.300 Blackout)*_
7.62x39
.308 Winchester
_.300 Win Mag**_
* New, but also versatile compliment to the .223/5.56, but pricey. My go to home def. caliber personally, could omit if you wanted.
** Based off googling 'Hunting Cartridges' the .300 Win Mag coupled with the .308 pretty much covers all game in America
When I “Stocked up” I got inexpensive 5.56 FMJ and then figured I could reload the cases a minimum of 3 times so I grabbed up 1k soft point, 1k HPBT, 1k frag projectiles a keg of powder and case of primers and a hand loader. Total cost $650, you cannot get a case of .223 for that today
you can get 1000 rounds for $400 of 223 now
What’s sup it’s Frank brown how you been bro!!
i have a total of 5300 rounds of ammo.6 different calibers. 22lr 38 spec. 45 acp. 30.06. 357. 5.56. i bought a lot of it in 2021 before the shtf.
Looking a year ahead. Where will ammo prices be as compared to today? Higher, lower or about the same?
Higher- because of the supply chain crunch and higher gasoline prices which will increase shipping charges.
I agree on higher. They'll eventually level if things ever improve.
300% higher.
Higher, in Dollars hours of labor, but cheaper in pm's if available.
5.56, 12ga, and 22lr are my favorites
I’m more afraid of the person who has a bow and plenty of arrows and knows how to use. A arrow with a double sided broad head I fear worse than a bullet.
Right on, that's my stock pile too. We'll plus 12 gauge. 👍
Level 3 AR500 plates will stop 62 grain M855. But 193 will punch through it. It seems way to many people don't know this. It takes level 3+ AR500 plates to stop 193 55 grain because of the speed. Plus 193 tumbles in soft tissue which creates a bad wound chanel. M855 basicly punches a hole like a ice pick. It all depends on your mission. Knowledge is key in knowing all the differences between 55 and 62 grain.
Good points. When stockpiling or grabbing ammo and going, the mission will likely be unclear regarding application. Which is why I go for the M855 over the M193 for the aspect of not being without when it comes to slightly more benefits. Thanks for the info!
Incorrect, M855 and 193 punch through level 3 at close range - seen tests that show this to be true. That said, you don't want to be wearing level 3 steel if you are up against 5.56/223 adversaries, good for 7.62x39, 308 FMJ, 12 gauge, and handgun though.
@@monkeymouse1403 I am correct. I've seen it and it's listed on various websites of AR500 armor level 3 plates. Level 3 will stop 5.56 M855/SS109 62 grain green tip
Don't be a target, and move quickly to cover. Infantry is half digging animal to survive fixed positions. Speed is life. Steel plates are acceptable as part of vehicle protection, but when dismounted, be quick and gone.
The spalling coming off of ar500 armor will kill faster than trying to put a bullet through it.
And the end of the day, 99.99% of people who have bullets flying at them don't give a shit if they're wearing Gucci level IV armor, or no armor. They also don't give a shit if it's .22lr or .30-06 flying at them, they're going to put their head down.
I got a good stash of 6.5 Creedmoor for past several years, the price is insane right now for all hunting calibers.
Did you discuss AR barrel length? That is the most critical factor in choosing ammo.
Too many variables there to dive that deeply into it. For the average consumer, the M193 and M855 are the most likely to be chosen for stockpiling which is why I just discussed their differences rather than applying it to everyone's specific platform.
I just got into shooting last year and I got a 16” barrel which I’m really starting to regret. I’m thinking 20” is a must.
@@LKaramazov I feel ya. Couple years ago I bought an AR pistol. It's great for transport, but I new I should have got a 20". So I did.
@@MagicPrepper I think you are onto something, however a cheap soft point is light years better than m855/xm193. Yeah we are not talking about specialty high-tech stuff here but if we’re talking about stockpiling I would say soft points are a better recommendation.
@@Rob-- AR-pistol is best in .300BLK, and double-plus-good with a suppressor. Then, you get a clone of an M16A2 with 20" barrel. Full length heavy barrel is a tack driver, but heavy like a FN-FAL. tapered or fluted barrel with device muzzle thread and bayonet lug will be just right
I agree with u on the m855 green tip and the 9mm nato. I really like the 9mm nato being 124 grain +p it flies at the same speed as 115gr standard 1200fps but is heavier so hits harder i think its the best of both worlds i just got 600 rounds of winchester 9mm NATO for 12 bucks a box.
I would never barter ammunition unless it’s with people in my same group. With outsiders it could be used against you! Calibers I stack: 22lr, 5.56/223, 9mm, 20 &12 gauge and 308
Love your choices. Mine are almost identical. I also do 7.62X39 and 30-06 instead of 308.
@@SquidGunman whatever you got stack it up. Just gotta keep buying it slowly until it adds up in the long run
really the person would be insane in todays evioermemt
@@knnytitus Agreed! Only ammo I have bought in the last few years is 12 gauge buckshot. I found some for a very reasonable price. I would never pay these outrageous prices.
Two cons you did not mention for the m855: because of its steel core it is not a homogenized bullet, is not balanced as well and therefore is not as accurate down range. If you go m855 you are also dealing a more drop than you would with the m193. And I guess the third that I just thought of saying that is that a lot of BDC reticles out there are tuned to the m193 round so if you are looking to take shots further out you might have more energy down range but chances are you're going to miss or hit extremely low.
All of that is correct, however, in the situations he is referring to,none of that is going to matter. You are more likely to have to shoot through a chevy door or windshield at 50 ft than take a well placed 400 yd shot. You also will be shooting against.....things.....wearing.....stuff.
@@smokinC5 well congratulations... you just parroted the video content whereas I was bringing up new and varying viewpoints. It's called a discussion.
@@DDDontCare I feel your frustration with the content and its why folks who have a half assed grasp of how ammo works and only reads the data off of the back of boxes, and or thinks that NATO means its higher pressured really bother the shit outta me also. Yes .556 is higher pressure than .223 and its not ment to be shot in .223 chambered firearms but its the reverse for 762x51 and .308. 762x51 has lower chamber pressures than .308 because its ment to be used in a military set standard of use. Now .308 is a hunting cartrage which set specs are all over the place due to diffrent applications and game its used to take as to not destroy the meat. NATO specs are at the LOW end when it comes to 762x51 loading and .308 can have double if not 2.5x the chamber pressures of 762x51 nato loadings. Its why its said you can run 762x51 in a .308 chambered gun and be fine but to run .308 in a 762x51 chambered firearm can be dangerous cause of the extreme pressure loadings of .308 in a 762x51 chamber. Also the 9mm NATO is just slightly higher pressure than standard target ammo but still less than most self defense rounds you buy off the shelf. Folks that dont throughly reasearch topics they talk about like they are experts cause it just says NATO on the box are the ones that will get folks hurt or worse. BTW I agree m193 is more accurate and shoots flatter out to 400m than its GT counterpart but the effective range of both rounds are still almost the same and yes both will go through car doors and windshields with the same effect at close range (50" or less) but I rather take accuracy and speed with my .556 cause with that I get penetration. Cant get penetration when you loose accuracy.
This is why I stack both M193 and M855 50/50 on top of one another in my mags. Best of both worlds and I haven't noticed any difference in POI in ranges under 300 or less. 90% of combat situations happen at around the 50-150 yard range and getting hit with either of these rounds will ruin someone's day regardless of the PPE the target is wearing.
@@amerikhan8507you must have magic rifles. I have quite a few 16 and 18" AR-15s and do notice a fairly significant shift in POI between the two. M193 also chronos at 3200+ fps and M855 usually around 2950-ish. You're going to get quite the significant difference in drop past 200 m. Just plug the stats into any ballistic calculator to confirm. But I agree getting hit by either would ruin your day
Also the 7.62x39 soft points are good to stock.. better expansion than hps
For a budget AR15 that will shoot Tulammo look no further than PSA classic or freedom. We are talking about the typical 16 inch upper. Factory Zero your sights. There are many how-to’s out there. Start out at 25 yards and keep shooting until you can shoot a ragged hole out of the center of a target. This is where you adjust the sights If you are new than shoot off the bench (you can practice standing later). Then get yourself a red dot. Don't get anything cheaper than a Bushnell trs25 and do not get anything bigger than a 3moa red dot. You will need a UTG mid mount riser to properly cowitness. Make sure the red dot is mounted as far forward on the upper without having it hang over. Make sure you can still shoot a ragged hole out of the center of a target after adjusting the red dot with the sights. From here you can start shooting steel silhouettes out to 300 yards and you will hit it. So my point is you can shoot cheap tulammo and I have found it to be really accurate. And the Red dot I recommended is really reliable. My point is you don't have to spend a lot of money to get a very accurate rifle. If you can afford better equipment and projectiles GO FOR IT! The same principles apply.
Just came back to this one, always great MP.. 4-5 holes in something will change the somethings health and well being , depending where went IN the something.. Don't turn away from 22lr.. I mostly bang CCI , consistent load is what i want , and a bang is always good😀😀 Placement , Placement
Agreed. Remember one thing that excludes 12 ,9mm, and 5.56 from the list. If you can see your target, it can see you. Do all 7.62/.308. Also uses the common 30 caliber projectile. Most commonly used size worldwide.
I have all of the 5.56 M193 and M855 that I want. I'm buying .SP/HP 5.56 ammo, now. I'm only buying HP handgun (.22 Magnum, .38 Special, 9mm and .45acp ammo, subsonic .22LR and 20ga #6 birdshot, #3 buckshot and slugs.
CCI Mini Mags and Stingers are great. The Aguilla 22lr selection is nearly equal to the CCI and affordable. I stockpiled cases of that when prices fell after the Obama crisis.
I noticed that throughout this shortage there has been a steady supply of 350 Legend and 243 Winchester. I own a .243 but I have no info on 350 Legend. Is that an EH! cartridge?
7.62x54R, 7.62 X 39, 22LR, 357 mag. 38 spl, 7.62 Nagant, 9 MM, 12g, 20g, 410 bore and 380 Auto. Eleven in all, totaling about 12K rounds. Don't own an AR but do own an SKS.
I have a bunch of IMI ammunition 77 grain 5.56 and a bunch of 55 grain wolf. Any opinion on steel case.
Also I question your claim that the 62 grain out penetrates a 55 grain. I thought velocity was the driving factor in penetration especially against body armor. Lighter bullets are faster. Or is there another factor here, like the 62 grain being a hotter load?
Sometimes. SS109 adds SOME additional medium barrier penetration at medium ranges compared to the slightly faster 55 grain. It's not 150 grain M80, but adds essentially no weight and no space in your pack. May the odds be ever in your favor.
Steel case rusts. In a real world situation you may be in the rain. You don't want ammo that you would use in real world situations that will rust.
Steel cases start fires
1 of My choices are slightly different from others, 1. .22lr ad magnum, 2.380acp (only because of the hi point 3895ts carbine rifle it's the only 380 rifle ever made and the power of that cartridge in that rifle is equal to a 9mm handgun) 3. 9mm. I say having a rifle and handgun with the same caliber is a good combo, even your backup should be the same as your EDC. (I like pistol caliber rifles) and yes a 12 Guage shotgun!
The best answer to any argument of which caliber is better comes in the form of a question: "Which one are you willing to be shot with?"
The first time you hear a bullet crackle by your head, it'll make you a lot less pretentious about ballistics, and all preconceptions of accuracy become very skewed.
Agreed, @Hans Stein.
I regret that I had a bad fishing trip and lost all my guns and ammo at the bottom of a lake. I didn't get to shoot a single fish!
@Hans Stein Right, but probably not as well as somewhere like New York, San Francisco, D.C., or Chicago, where the police have real authority to protect and serve.
Best of all, since guns are highly regulated there, it's surely safe!
😜
@Hans Stein 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 great joke man! The only thing the officers around me are prepared for is to stomp on your constitutional rights and arrest you for being patriot to this country
I'm a LR-RIFLE Guy I really like the
power for big game hunting 🤔 I like
the 180 grain Federal power shock ammo and Lake City ammo 👍🏽
If you have not already stockpiled………forget about it.
In my experience, aguila is also a great .22lr round. Federal punch is also a contender
I primarily buy Aguila. It’s really good ammo
40k rounds of 22...I think I have enough.
What kind? just curious...