Leaf 3.zero e+, Model 3, Kona or e-Niro?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2019
- Many people have been asking me which car they should buy. In this video I talk about the pros and cons of each of the four selected car so you can decide which is the best for you.
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Excellent. Full of information without fluff.
Kona Kona Kona!!!!!🤗🤗🤗
As usual you give us good information and we all know that you have spent lots of time in each car. One aspect that you should mention is the warranties for each car, the service network and the waiting list for getting these cars. Thank you
Kevin Journeau all these are geographically specific.
Hands down by far you are the best EV car reviewer ! Thank you.
Considering there is nearly a year wait for all the cars here in the UK, you may as well order all 4 and just but the one that turns up first! :)
you should hope that you could get your local Jaguar ipace sooner but i don't think even that is being delivered yet lol. not to mention that it does cost a bit more of course and is crazy power hungry
Hyundai konas are already driving for months on the UK roads. They were ordered from the moment orders went online.If you order one now though you have to wait for quite a while
So frustrating buying one of these cars in U.K. Have to wait a year for the next batch of Kia, or maybe the summer for the 62kw Leaf. 🙄
That was a wery good compare test. My favorite car is kia e-Niro.Nice car. Not too much high the price and more space for my family. (write from hungary country)
Superb comparison, thank you!
New Leaf 62kWh have no active cooling. Europe market manager Ana Paola Reginatto confirmed this at CES.
No liquid cooling. But it has active air cooling, doesn't it?
@@HenriZwols no active cooling, fans or liquid as far as I understood it. They would have to do a lot of redesigning to fit that.
Airvents like NV200.
Puts it off the table as far as I'm concerned, keep a fire extinguisher handy if you charge that at 100kw!
With all the rapidgate issues, they have to have made some cooling improvements especially with the much faster charging
Another great and interesting video Bjørn!!....
Thanks a lot bjørn
Just to mention, from what I gather only Kia e-niro and possibly Tesla Model 3 are likely to get a tow hitch. Testing pending. Kia also promise app support in late 2019, but no mention of what features it holds.
It's not been confirmed that the mid range model 3 is coming to Norway from what I can tell, but I do think the short range version will force the competitors to adjust their prices down to be competetive. It's no secret that the e-niro is overpriced vs Kona in Norway compared to other countries, so I am sure they have margins to squeeze if they wish.
I am waiting for the e-niro, finding the car to be the most practical for a family of 4 with two kids, expecting to require a stroller for a couple more years.
Thanks for another brilliant video, TB!
Thx - very informative. Ordered a 40 KW for my wife. I´m thinking of going for a model 3.
Wow. So right before I actually watch this video, I want to say thank you, Bjørn for reading my mind! These are my top choices to replace my ICE car with. I'm pretty sure I won't get a Leaf because there is no active thermal management system. Where I am in Canada, I could easily see -30ºC in the winter, and +30ºC in the summer with temps potentially spiking +/- 10ºC from those. Model 3 would be ideal, but the 2 nearest Tesla service centers (and superchargers) are each about 300+ kilometers away from where I live. Between the Kona and Niro, I prefer the styling of the Kona but the Niro has all the features I want so that will likely be my next car. Now, time to watch the video! :)
Good review.
Would be good to see more footage of these cars.
Bjorn has published extensive reviews of these cars.
Very nice comparison!
Please make a updated video for the 2020 models 😊
@ 11:45 I noticed that you tested one of the early production models, because the aluminum piece right above the steering wheel not stretching all the way over, like it does now. They did also raise the back seats with about 2-3”.
Good video.
Maby you should consider showing only the EPA range(if available) in km instead of the WLTP range because it is the most realistic one and i think you can cheat more on the WLTP.
For example the I Pace is getting 374 km EPA and 470 km WLTP range the Leaf e+ instead is getting 362 km EPA and 385 km WLTP range.
Thanks Bjørn, very good information.
I would still prefer the model S, so that race between an used S and a 3 will be interesting.
Good comparison, thanks. Making me aspire more towards the Tesla. Personally, the console 'wings' in the LEAF40 are literally a pain in the knee!
Yes, I'd also like the comparison of Model S second hand vs. Model 3 Dual motor performance. Thanks Bjørn
On Leaf you have digital speedometer if you press up twice from drive computer 1 and that is not the only info display that has that, but it is my favorite info display.
Very good Video... Thanks 👍🏻
Lol Bjorn, I like your sense of humor. Try to stay still in that studio :D
Great video
Thanks
Yeah I wouldn't mind getting a Nissan env200 with bigger battery just because of the lack of affordable electric minibuses. But the Kona seems to be a very good car. Thanks for the video! ✌️
Model 3 charges around 117kw but from what I've seen on the forums, it suffers from "coldgate" same as the other cars in this video. Other than that in my country we can get 5000Eur subsidy for EVs that are sold here and as the Tesla is officially not sold here(no dealership or shop), fully equiped KONA is aprox. 19000EUR cheaper(after a discount from dealer) to comparable M3. So with final price of 27K EUR(without VAT) I've decided very quickly.
OrangOeTang arms, ROTFL! eNero is the sweet spot for me ;the Kona is much too cramped (backseats and boot) and Model 3 is much more expensive (not just buying it but also looking at overall costs over 5 to 7 years). Guess I'll see how inefficient eNiro turns out to be as I will be getting it next week! I suspect it will be perfectly fine, as my daily commute on the highway will usually be under 300 km. And as already noted... there is App support for Kia, at least in NL. Anyhow, It is thanks to all your fantastic reviews and road trips that I felt confident in making the choice. So BIG thanks for that Bjorn!!
Model 3 mid range is already shown to be able to charge 119-120 kW, same as the Long Range. Search - Mid Range charging speed. | Page 2 | Tesla Motors Club
@@jhchooo same here, my mid range gets 119kw.
That's because 119kW isn't max for model 3 long range. Long range cab definitely charge faster if the charger could deliver it. Maybe 119 isn't even max for mid range!
Filip Bjurling correct. I’ve seen some evidence of 180+ for LR.
@@apkungen89 the 2170 batteries can go to like 180kw.
Once the model S and X gets updated and Tesla puts the 2170 batteries in them, they will differentiate the 3 and the s and X with 200+kw charging for the s and X.
Currently the model 3 charges faster than people who have a car double the price. It's BS
@@jhchooo Can you show a 0-100 % video?;)
Thanks Bjorn.. Not sure if this is relevant but according to the UK version press release there is Driver Attention Warning. Its just a shame we dont have some many other features you get in Europe.. Norway.. rest of the world or on kona .. i.e. LED lights, rear cross traffic, blind spot, warning, sunroof, light grey leather interior, rear USB sockets.. (we have them all listed on the Kia e-Niro UK Interest Group on Facebook for any UK viewers that want to be informed on UK specific model specification.
This is from the Kia UK release...
Other active safety systems available in the e-Niro include Forward Collision Warning with Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA+), Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go (SCC+), High Beam Assist (HBA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW) and Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS).
the ccs vs chademo question becomes more challenging in the US. we have very few ccs chargers and a lot more chademo plus Tesla's only have the tesla specific charge port and require the purchase of an expensive adapter for ccs.
Kona and Niro does have app support in South Korea. Since export version should have same headunit HW, I think apps will be available in near future.
I hope to buy a second hand e-Niro in a few months, post 2020 and sub 50.000 km's. It has lots of room, is relatively affordable and I can get a government grant, and with most Model 3's I can't. Plus the 7 year warranty is great!
Great review of these 4 EV's. Very interesting, and very useful video. I agree with your recommendations, and I have to say your video's are the most useful of any other youtuber I've watched, and I've pretty much watched every video on Tesla, and EV's out there. (I own a AWD M3 here in Canada).
Good stuff. Maybe included battery types and longevity of the various types (prismatic/pouch/cylindrical).
Nice comparison and It is also what I think. I laughed hard at your Leaf recommendation: 'And what about a Leaf?.... Well, If you want a Leaf´ JAJAJAJAJA
Yeeeep, I would like to see your intake on the model3 vs used ModelS
Great value video, Bjorn, thanks! Anyway, to answer the question - I would definitely opt for e-Niro. In Hyundai/KIA battle I have always favored KIA (and still own a 2013 fossil ceed expecting retirement sometimes in 2020) and e-Niro looks way nicer to me than Kona. Leaf just doesn't strike me at all - boring, with weird interior and a short range. And Model 3... well, this damned Model 3... I like the way it looks from the outside, I like the parameters and the enthusiasm spreading over it, but there is one thing I am not able to get over - the buttonless interior. I really do not want to fiddle with this overgrown tablet anytime I need to change the radio, increase the temperature, turn on the seat ventilation or do anything else - I really do need the haptic feedback and this virtualized dashboard is too abstract for me (sorry Tesla).
We have 500e as a third card in a family now and next year I would like to replace ceed with e-Niro (should probably order by now to get it at least in the mid 2020 :-)).
Thanks for the video once again, anyway!
Very good information dense video
Bjorn Fabulous assessment as usual. Love that u did all 4. I need a hatch and if I buy I would probably highly consider E-Niro for its space offering. Hope it comes to the Gas guzzling U.S. soon. I am sick of extra car maintenance. Kia has always had decent standard warranties right? The oil Cartel has a $$ lowering prices trend in the US. now apparently trying to kill/delay EV growth once again.....
Along with your famous banana box test, could you also put up the official internal space overall, BN. Then we'll know better about the cargo space, because there would be people putting packages on the front passenger seat. Plus, despite the Niro appearing to be bigger than the Kona, it's difficult to see where it is. And that could be a buying decision. I've seen your old video where you had the Niro and Kona side-by-side. And I can't recall/see where the Niro gets all this extra comfy space in the front.
@Bjorn I believe you forget about the safety rating for each car.
Great comparison. May I suggest adding a column for efficiency? These cars all have plenty of range such that range is no longer a limited factor (hurray!). So like in ICE cars difference in fuel efficiency becomes a thing to compare these.
Based on your video I would go for the Nero but the efficiency might put me down.
"...and you will still drive at the same speed until your crash and die, so that is not good"
XD XD XD
Love how he talks about this stuff.
Hi Bjorn, I tried to get you a Kia referal but failed. Thanks for you Kia e-Niro video's and convincing on going for the e-Niro and starting a TH-cam channel about it.
There's in the meantime an app available for the e-Niro! (Sept.2019)
I'm definitely considering a Model 3 Performance/Long Range. I have a 40kwh Leaf already, and the most important things I'm missing is AWD and a towing bracket, plus the Tesla offers more luxury tech. Still no towing bracket, but I can't afford a Model X or Audi E-tron quattro EV (ridiculous that only the most expensive EV's have a towing bracket).
What about over the air updates? The Tesla updates are awsome. Even my old P85 from 2014 has for a new navigation system and finally I can also preheat the seats via the app :)
Bjorn, what about the Bolt/Ampera-E? I know they don't have supply in Europe.. but what's your opinion of where it ranks?
Also later this year new soul is coming with samme battery and motor as e-niro with problaly the same price as an kona, that can be a great buy to but then again they can hardly get enough batteries for the kona and e-niro so doubt we gonna get many of the new soul.
I think it's not only about the cars. Availability of aftersales service should be also considered. Though Tesla is an absolute gem in term of performance, I think services, spare parts and accessories are also important. I test-drive model S in Finland and found out that if you own a Tesla in Finland and the car gets breakdown somewhere in Eastern Finland for example, you will need to wait for the car to be towed all the way to Capital region to repair. Hopefully this will be soon improved.
Fiat Cryslur Studio XD. I can't wait for you to drive a Model 3 in Norway. I love mine. The price is pretty much the only disadvantage I've found (Long Range AWD).
I couldn't choose between the Tesla model 3 and Nissan Leaf e+ so I got both
Niro in NL gets APP-support. See the Dutch Kia E-Niro website.
yes, but not the same app as in Korea/US. It will show the status, but not allow you to control the car.
Hans Roes let’s have a good talk with KIA 🧐
@@Hans-gb4mv Yes, I also think it is the same Kia Connected app as you can get for more Kia models. It is 'read only'. So probably you can see charging level, but not set preheating time by app.
Yep, Kia Connected Service is offered and I would already be happy if I can not only see the SoC in the app, but get a message on my phone that the car has finished charging.
Can you do a comparison of e-Niro 2019 and Soul EV 2020?
Great video as usual with some real world comparisons. Tomorrow I collect a Kona 62, a DINKy car. We only ordered 4 weeks ago. I guess the market for RHD models in Europe is limited to Ireland while Brexit sorts its-self out. 12 months in Denmark?
Model 3 mid range charges at 115kW (475 miles, 764 km per hour) and then tapers down like others.
BTW, new lens/camera? Maybe I didn't notice before but the short focal length looks very pro.
Hey Bjorn, any chance you will be able to make a race/comparison between both Leaf?
Great video as always.
Will the env200 get the 64kwh battery? That’s what I’m waiting for... however my concern would be the cost of 24kwh vehicles will they crash as people will not want to buy them?
What is your opinion on this I have the possibility to buy a 24kwh env200 with 500miles and 4 years old what should I do....
Can you do a video on your thoughts on tesla canceling the 75kwh battery pack from MS and MX models in 2019?
A HUD for model 3 would be great
Maybe this is a boring suggestion - But I'd really like to see a video like this comparing the app support of all the EV's. I would rely heavily on things like checking state of charge and remote pre-conditioning.
Considering what is now known about Leaf charging. I reckon we need a race between the Leaf 2.0 and the Leaf 3.0. Preferably in winder.
Hi Bjorn - in the summer you did a range test with the Hyundai Kona doing 510km - would the e-Nero be able to do the same in your opinion?
Nissan are saying it will average about 70kw when dc charging. So perhaps a slight rapid gate. Should be fine if it can do at least two charges before it slows down. Only timd will tell how bad it is on a hot day.
Leaf 62kwh also has bigger screen on the car entertainment and an e+ sticker :)
Hi Bjørn!!
Thank you for the great review for four EV models.
Let me add my comment about an app. for local Kona EV inside Korea. Actually there is an app for it and you can access over the app not only checking status but also charging /door lock/Air condition/Heating/Honk/Emergency light control, etc :)
Honestly once they hit the used marked in a couple of years with 50% of todays price I will be happy to own any of those, right now its too expensive for me. My personal favourite would be the Tesla, but with basically no service centres in my country, I would go for the Hyundai or Kia, man I'm looking forward to get those one day used :D
Kia's order books are now open in the UK so I’ve just ordered an e-Niro. I’m looking forward to it (coming from my old Leaf) but... it just feels like such a compromise compared to the Tesla!
I wonder when we get details on the nissan e-nv200 with 62kwh pack, been waiting a long time and might buy one :)
I would love to see you compare a model 3 to a used model s. I still want a model s, but I’ve given up on the model 3, since the sedan form gives way too little space. When are we gonna see a stationcar version of the kona/e-niro or similar. I love my golf variant because of space in the boot and it handles and drives wonderfully with automatic transmission. So to have that in an electric car with good range would be awesome, oh and also able to transport bikes.
Cant wait till you can test the Leaf e plus 63 kmh.
@@richard--s I think he meant 62 kmh ;)
How is the lack of physical buttons in the model 3? For basic stuff you’d normally want to do without taking your eyes off the road like changing audio source, adjusting wipers etc? Niro/kona are tempting but no app (pre-conditioning is a key benefit of ev IMO)
Any chance of a similar comparison video for 2020 models?
@teslabjorn, kjør en sammenligning med brukt model x og ny model 3
The Niro has the UVO Eco app in the US and select European markets.
@@richard--s The UVO Eco app is downloadable anywhere and it's available in English, French, and Spanish. I understand that frustration, but it also introduced a potential security risk to the vehicle, since the app can by used to remotely precondition the vehicle, start or stop charging, lock or unlock it, or remotely locate the vehicle. The app also provides charging location information and navigation. As far as I'm aware Germany is the next market for app support, and they're working on each European and Asian market to provide support by the end of next year.
@@richard--s I can tell you that the app works great here in the US with my Niro PHEV. All the features are quick and easy, and being able to turn in the heated steering wheel and defroster remotely is great. The next feature I want them to enable is turning on the heated or cooled seats remotely.
Hallo Bjorn, Super Videos von Dir mach weiter so einfach Top.
Welcher Ev ist Deiner meinung der bessere Kia ev Niro 64 oder der Kona 64 ?
Danke die schon mal
Schau das Video an und frag nicht so blöd. Nicht zu fassen... tststs...
Björn!, do you know why Tesla price in Norway is so low compare to prices in Sweden? (The other EV cars have same pricetag here in Sweden as in Norway), Do Norway have extra discount for Tesla?
Model 3 as closest to a sports car. I think it will hold its value best. Mini will be a drivers car for sure too
Good video... what is the tbrt range? (TeslaBjornRangeTest)
Looks all good, i preffer tesla.. only price little high
if anyone does a lot of city driving, then the Nissan, Kia, and Hyundai will be the easiest and most convenient as they have compact turning circles of around 10.6 meters. The Model 3 turning circle is a ridiculously wide 11.8m which is actually even wider than the Tesla Model S!
Nice video, as usually.
Please watch your safe area for text on the video editing software. TVs cut a bit of the image... (the Nissan did not fit on my TV on the comparison table).
The model should have had a hud. Which the kona has. I own a kona great car. Two kids and a baby wagon fit. Drives nice
Sorry bjørn but you fail to mention dealership network and of course availability worldwide for all vehicles talked about, you mention many times how poor tesla is at getting replacement parts factors all of which are part of ownership. Cheers
"the other systems, will disengage but you will still drive until you crash and die" wow, that one got me so hard, lmao
For me moment the Leaf matches my needs more than the others so... Leaf for me.
With Tesla recently stopping orders for the low-end model 3, at least temporarily, they've left the market open to the Leaf, Kona and Niro. VW are still a year off having anything on sale.
Why didn't Bjørn include the BMW i3?
When will you do a review (drive) of the Hyundai Nexo!
That would be interesting to see. However, I think EVs will push hydrogen vehicles away, even if only because of servicing costs.
i would love to have a no frills, super lightweight aero model. With just apple carplay or android auto and 2 good speakers. Simple front car accident avoidance braking. No electric seats, no seat heaters, no steering wheel heater, no power windows, no electric door handles... easy to take out passenger seat when u dont need them. Just 2 or 3 seater is fine. 130kph or 100 mph is fine. I just want super high efficiency with decent range for given battery. I guess im looking for a sondors type 3 wheel or defunct super aero like aptera. Hehehe.
I wait for the all new VW I.D Neo or crozz
Doubt we gonna get 100 kw chademo chargers in europe let alone norway since ccs is defacto european standard so eventhough the new leaf can charge at 100 kw il doubt ul find a charger that can deliver that,
The only thing 100kW stations have over 50kW stations is the shorter time from empty to full. The amount of energy per unti of time shouldn't change.
Well, in all fairness, we've seen 40kWh LEAFs and smaller car capacities throttle their charge intake on 50kW DC chargers regardless, forgetting rapidgate. A larger 60kW should be able to effortlessly accept a constant 50kW; performing better per minute with the now old chargers. No?
@@0JEB0 ugh clever, after watching tesla bjørns adventures in denmark clever seems they like to charge way to much
@@danielstefanovic2604 In Denmark you can buy flat rate at Clever and e.on, so you can charge as much as you like for 400 dkr. per month; If you don't have flat rate agreement, it is very costly to charge, not very tourist friendly.
This is what I think about model 3 mr:
Price: 410 knok
Range: 465 km wltp (maybe more)
Charging: 119 kW ( 135 from new SuC)
I think the mid range will be way cheaper. If you use the same relationship as it is between long range and mid range in the US the price in Norway should be 400 knok. Maybe it will be slightly more expensive than that. Maybe about 410k nok. Not more I think.
What about wait for 2020 Renault Zoe? 100 kW CCS charging, 50 kWh battery and more room. It should be pretty efficient and cheapest to own even after warranty + the service Renault/Nissan service network is larger than others.
And there will also be 2020 WW I.D. Neo revealed at the same time (autumn 2019).
These 2 are much better choices than all 4 cars in video. And you can get them on same time because there won´t be enough 60kWh LEAFs in 2019 and for Tesla M 3 there is a long preorder list.
"you will crash and die, which is not good"
Thanks for the clarification.
Bjorn, the mid range model 3 can hit 118kW max charging. Or at least that’s the max speed I’ve observed
small comment: back seats in model 3 has been raised by about 5cm. so newer models are bit different then one that Bjorn tested
I like Kona and the Leaf e+ they are my favorites model 3 is also very nice but very expensive and don’t have a cluster I like cars with cluster / dashboard
(Leaf) "Nissan Connect" Down for the last four days. Nissan Disconnect? Maybe only Carlos knows where the server reboot switch is...
Yeah.... I can not even reset my password so the app is utterly useless.
Faen så bra!
Hey Bjørn🙋🏻♂️ my Name is Tim.
I have a question, my englisch is Not so god but was is for you the best E car? Can you say me this? Thanks
I don't know if and what Nissan has done with the new e+ Leaf, but at least on some specs it looks to be way more efficient. Might be a typo or maybe they've done something. Also notable that they didn't list battery voltage (TBC) yet. Maybe that extra power comes from just a bit higher voltage? Same motor will surely handle 10-20% higer voltage thus higher power, as long it has efficient enough cooling. Also, when you put 50% bigger battery in the same car with same consumption you heat the battery less as you use higher voltage pack thus lower amps or the bigger battery just has better (lower) internal resistance thus warming less. This tells me new e+ Leaf does not need active cooling! Old 40kWh Leaf is already almost ok, if new consumes a bit less and has +50% bigger battery - no problems. BTW Battery does not heat that much during charging. I've used LiPo batteries a lot with RC-cars and planes and you can charge with 2-3C currents and you get very little heat. Actually the heat ammount can be easily calculated with charging power and internal resistance of the pack.