You spend most of the time inside the car, not admiring its looks from the outside - therefore for me (and this is my personal opinion) the more spacious interior and storage space of the e-Niro wins hands down every time.
I thought so when compering the Fiat Multipla V Honda FRV, both have 3 x 3 seating with ooodles of room however the mk1 fiat looked like it was drawn by 5 year old inspired by a jelly mood frog,the mk2 was better,slightly, I bought the FRV 1.7 petrol with 45k mileage. Wish Honda still made em. Ya never know a possible future EV.
When I test drove the Hyundai a short while ago, one of my favourite items was the Heads Up Display. I was disappointed to see the KIA does not have this feature, which is a game changer as a safety feature, and I fully expect to see this as a standard in most cars within a few years.
Great review. Loved it thanks. I've driven the Niro and loved it. Not tried Kona yet which I do actually prefer. Shame the boot is a bit on the small side as I do the occasional airport run. Still enjoying my 2017 Ioniq hybrid. Next to an IS200 Lexus, it's the the second best car I've ever owned over 35 years of driving. Keep up the good work.
Best video ever ,, as a taxi man I’ve wanted a ENiro for a long time , great to see luggage and back seat , my next taxi is eNjro or 64kwh Leaf or ID4. Currently in L40 and boot seems bigger than eNiro
Not race cars but faster than most petrol / diesels in this car category. The old leaf I and you have is over 10 seconds to 60, big difference. Thanks for pointing out the differences as clearly a lot of people pretend these are more similar than they are in my experience
EV Op--- A very important feature in electric or hybrid electric cars is a readout telling you the remaining life of the battery. Not the remaining charge (yes of course that's important and as such it's designed into all electric cars); but 3 or 5 years later you want a good idea about the battery health. Rather than find out on a long trip that the batt has reached it's end! I would think this would be a must-include for a review, as not all brands include that.
Russel Green that’s true and sometimes (unless you buy a OBD2) the only way you find out the health of your battery is during its service. That said all EVs show the range remaining so you shouldn’t suddenly get caught out on a trip. I think manufacturers see it as a negative as when it’s there you focus on a bad thing rather than something good! The trouble with reviews is everyone has something important in mind. When I download the video each review is close to 2 hours of me talking! Nobody wants to see all that so I have to be ruthless with the editing and try to keep it around 20 mins as an absolute maximum. If enough people ask for a specific bit of info I’ll make sure it’s included😁👍
Thanks Ryan,great video for someone thinking about one of these cars,personally I would prefer the eNiro on interior space alone,but as always it's a personal choice
As ever a detailed review and fair comparison of the two cars. For me the Kia sold on the extra space and in my view a better interior, also I like the anonymous looks, there’s no clue as to what powers it. Both cars are important additions to the EV stable and would get a lot more drivers out of their fossil cars..if only supply could match demand. Please do take a look at my posting of our trip to Orleans last weekend..we are still on the learning curve when it comes to range in different weather conditions, it is a story of destination charging, feeling like 2nd class citizens around Tesla drivers, charging points with unusable sockets and a shiny new row of chargers from Ionity
Hyundai’s battery is lifetime against failure but not degradation and other overall warranty is longer which appeals to me. I test drive the kona but haven’t the Rio yet. Their price range is at where that base Tesla model 3 is at but downside for me is that it is rear wheel drive, not great customer support reputation and scarcity of parts. Also it’s federal rebates are about over.
Hi to you a good review based on the differences between the cars that’s why we chose the Kia. It looks more grown up matching my 60 years as well as the size difference I also like the 7 year warranty that you get over the 5 year of the Hyundai. Don’t get me wrong they are both great cars it just comes down to personal choice and as more Ev’s come out that choice is only going to get better and that can only be a good thing. Enjoyed watching it.
I got my Kona in two days. Try that with a Nero. For an elderly couple, the Kona does us fine. Kona looks better, drives nice. Edmunds and Car and Driver gave thumbs up to the Kona, that speaks volumes. It is the North American SUV of the year. Grand kids do fine in the back. In traveling, we can go 4.5 hours on a charge. The Kona handles luggage fine. Both cars are good, built by the same ownership.
Not a fan of logo's especially on the sides. I remove them. They do nothing for the look of the car and makes cleaning and waxing a tad more work. Great reviews. Thank you.
Kia for me is better in every possible way. @ 5:54, the big 64Kwhr battery in the e-Niro sits quite low. I hope it isn't susceptible to damage.... I'd prefer a 40Kwhr battery in the Kia, less cost/weight with still enough practical range for the vast majority of journeys.
You still can pack these three bags into kona. Put two lager suitcases on their sides and here you are. This would work since depth of each suitcase is about 30-35cm (12-14"). The biggest problem with these cars is the charging time. It will take about 75 minutes to charge either car from 0 to 80% using fast charger. Also, their price (for a basic trim) is close to Tesla Model 3 Standard Plus. While Tesla Model 3 can charge from 0 to 80% in about 40 minutes (potentially in less than 30 minutes with a supercharger V3). Yes, superchargers V3 are not available yet, however, there IS a potential. While for Kona EV and Nero EV charging time will not decrease with time. BTW: 1to1 comparison with Tesla will be possible after Tesla Model Y will hit the road.
I test drove the e-niro which was excellent, but like Hyundai they could not give a date or even an estimate for delivery, suggesting that it could be well over 12 months. So yesterday I pre-ordered the VW ID3 1st (Limited to 30,000 cars across Europe) and I have got my ref number (£750 refundable deposit) The car is being showcased Sept for delivery mid 2020. One perk with the car is 1 years free charging.......
Have you managed to get a test drive if the VW? What was the price /offer for the ID? Looks like sept 2020 might be similar to both cars featured in this video. With that in mind VW sounds attractive.
@@jdavison8551 Hi, not able to test drive as car has not been released yet. Will be shown at the Frankfurt motor show in September for release approx June 2020. The car is approx golf size but more internal space. Prices from €30,000 to €40,000 before gov grants. There will be 3 trim levels. The vehicle will have the 58kwh battery.
Philip Reece many thanks for the info. Am going to research further and maybe follow up with with a reservation too. The 1 year free charging may be the clincher.
Im in the US and it freaks me out with your driver seat on the other side thanks so much for this video it helps me decide thank you thank you thank you!!!!
Thanks, great comparison.E Niro for me but when i come to change my 2014 Leaf in a couple of years there will hopefullly be more choice without the 12mth waiting list. As well as VW i suspect that there may be some chinese models. The MG EZS coming in a few months is a little small for me but could be tempted by a slightly larger SUV and the price may well be reasonable. All depends on build quality.Also whatever happened to the promise that battery prices would go below $100 per KWH.
Tom Robson I think we all thought the availability and price would be here by now but the lack of cars and increased demand has kept the prices high. Let’s hope the models you have mentioned change that 👍
You didn't mention it, but the extra size of the E-Niro comes at a cost: the US EPA range of the E-Niro is only 239 miles vs. the Kona's 258 miles (385 km vs 415 km). That difference might push some people to telescope the Kona's steering wheel in as far as it goes and shuffle the front seat up to give more rear leg room, and use softer suitcases that fit better in the back of the smaller Kona...
Nice review Ryan, thanks. I spoke to our local Kia dealer earlier, really for confirmation of what I already knew ie 12 month order lead time. Last week I ordered an i3 for myself, will be built and delivered within 6 weeks so I can’t fathom how Kia have so massively underestimated demand?! This would be for my wife and as it happens, she’s not due to change until 2020 anyway but even so. Going for a test drive this weekend which will be really interesting, for internal and boot space and standard spec it’s impossible to beat, not to mention the range which is perfectly acceptable. While we like the look of the MG EV, it’s an MG and we’re dubious. Anyway, v useful review.
Germanic 1973 I wouldn’t put the MG and Kia in the same class. The Kia has more range and is substantially more expensive so should be better. I have no idea why they aren’t making more. The Ioniq was the same so they have no excuse. I think you’ll be very happy with both the i3 and Kia. They are brilliant cars 😁👍
Liked the video very interesting. Why would anybody want to keep charging cables under the boot floor. Do you really want to empty the boot to get charging cables out?
@@gregandkaruna6674 not picking a fault, more a suggestion for future reference. I really enjoyed the video and thought the comparison was both informative in both a visual and technical way, especially since I'm looking towards purchasing my first ev.
@@andrewtaylor641 From my limited knowledge in UK Hyundai's warranty is 5 years and Kia 7 years, but go on Hyundai and Kia website's and all the details are there
Thanks Ryan. They're both interesting cars, if they become easier to buy. One thing you missed is the gap under your knees when sitting in the rear seats of either vehicle. That would become very uncomfortable during a longer journey.
If you look at the footage, you will see daylight below the backs of your knees and the front edge of the rear seat. This means that most of your weight is concentrated on your posterior. After a while, this becomes rather uncomfortable. A seat of the correct height allows your weight to be spread over the whole of the backs of your thighs and backside, and allowing your lower legs to be more-or-less above your feet, which are flat on the floor. thus allowing for much greater comfort. It's all about pressure per unit area. A fairly firm cushion under your legs, or more legroom between the front and rear seats, will help. The problem is apparent with a number of EV's and many Asian-designed cars, partly because the battery is often under the floor, and also because of the average Asian person having shorter legs than average Westerners.
Hi Ryan, I'm hoping you can help me. I'm after either of these two in long range top trim ( like the idea of having ventilated seats ) or indeed the E Soul. From what I can gather next year we should see a better supply . It's the price that is confusing me, the Kona which is my first choice is retailing at just on £41k so luxury tax which I'm keen to avoid out of principle. The Niro ( 4 eqivalent ) is retailing at approx £38k , both before the grant. I assumed the Kona would be cheaper, thought Kia was the slightly better marque. Have I got all this wrong, am I looking in the wrong places for information ?????
I can answer that for you. Sadly, the prices you quoted are correct. The 2020 version of the Kona has seen some significant technological upgrades from the 2018/19 version so they've bumped up the price (probably also due to the high demand). These upgrades include a bigger infotainment system, thermal battery management (it can now heat the battery in the winter whereas it only had a cooling function before), rear seats can now be heated and it now has faster charging rate. Despite this, I still ordered my Kona over the KIa mainly because I prefer more compact cars. The Kia is too big for my liking but of course that's personal preference. If you have kids and need the more spacious rear seats then by all means go for the Kia.
tizio caio it seems as though if you have kids or constant family in the car then Kia is right for you but if your like me where I drive alone 99% of the time the back room doesn’t matter for me . I give lyft rides and no one complains in fact people tip me and admire my car
Can someone confirm the e-Niro has HID or xenon headlights. If so I prefer them over LED headlights which don't carry as far and when on full beam at night you're blinded when they light up large road signs
Nice cars, shame about the price and the availability nearing unobtanium. Just wish Dacia / Renault would release an Electric Duster with a 50 ish kWh battery for about £20k for the base model or a Sandero with a 40kWh battery for around £10k base model. That's the mass market pricing we need otherwise EVs are still the reserve of the rich and PCP'ers.
I wonder what the build quality will be like for that MG. Chinese 'rubber' components seem to have a very short life before they turn into chewing gum, or go crumbly.
Might be worth looking at the Zoe 40 (once the Zoe 50 goes on sale) - the 50 is purported to be coming out at the same price as the 40 is currently, and the 40 will get a price drop... 40 only has ~180 mile range officially (less than that realistically), but that's probably sufficient for many people, and the price might be right compared to these more expensive vehicles.
Nice comparison, side-by-side. Where I'm at in "the states," I can get Kia Niro EV, but to get Kona Electric, I'd have to drive a bit to another area to get it.. so I was able to test drive Niro EV, but not Kona Electric yet... can you do a range-comparison with these EVs? Maybe show their energy consumption (mi/kWh) or do a true drive test, like drive both cars to a fixed distance (eg 100km or 50km) from a full charge and see their battery % at the end of the drive? Here in "the states," it says the Kona Electric has 30km more range than Niro EV... But seems in Europe with WLTP rating, it's almost reversed.. so very strange...
the trunk handle to open it is at the bumper level (imagine snow and ice built up ) the Niro handle for the trunk is at mid high position away from ice and snow build up ...
Ezra's Daddy they should but only when conditions are perfect. It won’t charge Fron 0-100% at 100kw but should for part of it. It’s all down to the software protecting the battery👍
It would have been nice to here price comparisons as that's probably the most important decision for most people as I know the electric kia is £16,000 dearer than what I paid for my new ice kia sportage 12 month ago. Would that make it worth it I doubt it.
Interesting that the battery is indeed from different manufacturers. I saw comments that the chemistry is different this seems to confirm it. The Q is then will one last longer than the other? 7 years? on e-niro battery v 10 years for kona?
Here in USA the Hyundai is promoting lifetime warranty on the battery against failure but not degradation which history is showing won’t be bad over a long time
It is one of the factors - whether it's the 'most deciding' depends on the person buying, etc. And, in this instance, they have pretty much the same range (+/- 2 miles? - driving style will have a bigger impact on achievable range)
Rob if I joined the lower cost gym in town would I be able to use the facilities at the more expensive one that had invested money in proper equipment. Of course not!!
Rob Heap , afraid not Rob, but in the future Tesla might come to some sort of arrangement with other companies. Wouldn’t bother me, as most people charge at home overnight
At first I thought you were one of these Tesla sheep having a dig at these cars for not having a supercharger network, but I see you were genuine about asking. Tesla is proprietary everything so they will never share their network with any other car company, yet all the other chargers are an open platform so even Tesla can use them.
I think the Hyundai looks better. I also trust Hyundai cars and their warranty system. I have owned Hyundai cars exclusively for over 20 years - beginning with an Elantra wagon, Santa Fe, Tiburon, another Santa Fe, the Entourage (loved it!), A Sonata (SUPERB CAR!), another Santa Fe, an Ioniq, ANOTHER Santa Fe, and finally, a Kona ELECTRIC! In having owned no less than 10 different Hyundai vehicles, spanning over two decades I am definitely ALL-IN on the brand! I often cite the warranty coverage, yet we've seldom had a warranty issue, and those we have had were minor and of no matter to the reliable operation of the vehicle. On top of that, Hyundai warranty service is the best in the business! At the same time, since I know Hyundai owns KIA, I would have no problem buying a KIA Niro electric, but it wasn't here when the Kona arrived, so it's the Kona that's sitting in my driveway! I understand reviewers are paid to parse terms and make much of the small stuff, but both vehicles are very close in every way, with the Niro having 4" more wheelbase, and a bit more rear seat room - as I understand. However, I have four kids who LOVE to ride in the Kona, ages 6-14, and they have no problems leaping in and out of the back, nor finding space to park their school backpacks when I pick them up from school! I tend to like the Hyundai's looks as it looks a bit sportier than the KIA which is a role-reversal for the two brands. While listed as a "CUV" the Kona is very much like a "hot hatchback" in terms of performance. It will absolutely LEAVE everything at a traffic light and be all the way to the NEXT light while all the ICE cars are still gaining speed! Operated with restraint it will surpass 5 mi/kWh in city driving. With a range approaching 300 miles, if only operated in town, one ends up needing to charge only about once a month! Talk about economical! The Kona has become our primary vehicle for all local trips - why bother cranking up the Santa Fe Limited for a run to the grocery store when the Kona is so much more fun and FAR more economical to use!
Richard Kilibreaux it’s a great car and my personal favourite even if the Kia has a bit more space. If it suits your needs then great. I love hearing from people like you that have a long history with a brand. EVs are still new and to hear you are still happy with the brand you love even after the switch is great. Thanks for the comment and to put your mind at rest I didn’t receive a penny from anyone for this review (although I’m always open to a sponsor😁). I make these videos as a hobby and tell it as I see it 😁👍
#1 the pieces of plastic above the rear windows are not spoilers, they are Kamm backs, put there to reduce turbulence and drag. They are not creating down force. #2: The most important figure; E-Niro 15.9 kWh/100km 375km range, Kona 15.4 kWh/100km, 449km range neither is good, but the Kona is significantly better.
I'm in no way knowledgeable when it comes to EVs but since they're both FWD, would it be possible to use the non driving wheels to produce more energy for the batteries?
Joel Broski I’m. I expert but yes it could be done but it would take additional energy to drive the car forward in order to charge it at the rear wheels. Think about the old dynamo on your push bike 😲
Kia e-niro better in all aspects - including looks for me. I think the Kona 'fun' & 'modern' looks will date really quickly (or maybe remain relevant if you are 8). If the e-niro was actually available this century I might well commit. As it is I have placed pre-order for VW ID.3 yesterday. I expect this will arrive well before the Kona or niro (even if I could place order for these today). (p.s. Talked to someone from local Hyundai dealer yesterday who said that head office have told them they are not even allowed to hint when a delivery may be possible. They cannot even accept orders - but must refer everyone to head office. He was not a happy man).
@@fanfeck2844 Its easy access though Google, but it's supposed to be €30,000 for a 330 km range will have 3 battery sizes from 45kwh 58kwh and 77kwh, as well as 2000kwh of fast charging included.
@@fanfeck2844 you can book pre-order on vw website with 1000 euro deposit that is refundable if you cancel. Cost is 30k euro (on the road cost - i.e. no extra tax or hidden charges) . Thats for for base model 200 mile range. The launch model is promised to be less than 40k but has longer 260 mile range with 62kwh battery.
if hyundai and kia really wanted to sell evs in uk they would have sent more ... lots more evs from other makers are on the way so wait and see for a year which is about the waiting time for one of these ... 2020 volkswagon looks good ...
Andrew Till just did a video on the cargo dimensions. th-cam.com/video/3jtgEQujHNg/w-d-xo.html The measurements he got with the seats down were Height 67cm Length (to the passenger seat when pushed little forward) 180cm Width 105cm The height of the boot with the trays removed was 95cm.
This is like a mother giving kids money and just ask them to use some common stuff at home and build something that stands out from the other's Kia and Hyundai are those kids and they both complete and complement each other so that they both cater differemt parts of market and conquer in a joint way
Buying a car for most is an emotional purchase. For families maybe not. I personally like eKona. It well suits my need and the size is perfect. The bland 'mommy mobile' styling of the eNiro puts me off so bad I would rather look at something else like a Tesla Model Y. What difference does it make anyway if I have to wait a year?
I personally think the Kona in all of its incarnations is a visual abomination of the highest order, not to mention highly impractical. Conversely the e-Niro is practical, conventional and doesn't scream "look at me, I'm a little SUV".
Honestly, it always puzzles me why two different cars, built by different car makers and with batteries from two different cell factories have the same exact net battery capacity
babyelian77 the underpinnings of both cars are exactly the same. They come from the same place. The batteries are different. That said, you’re right, they are very similar with range etc 👍
Ben Haynes the battery is 64kwh usable. It is actually 67kwh in total I believe. This new crop of EVs seem to be quoting usable size rather than total like Nissan do 😁👍
...but you never take them out on the road for a test drive...what is up with that...it is like a Miss America pageant where they get crowned but you never get to take them out on a real date to see what they are like under all that glam. Why you not take them for a test drive as part of the review ? How can one decide which is best ?
American here, thanks for answering pretty much every question I had about these two vehicles side-by-side. Great video.
I’m glad it helped. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment 😁👍
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Good to see side by side comparison, Nice one Ryan..
The video I've been waiting for, thanks. Hope to see part 2 driving review.
You spend most of the time inside the car, not admiring its looks from the outside - therefore for me (and this is my personal opinion) the more spacious interior and storage space of the e-Niro wins hands down every time.
Carol Steele the space inside is without doubt better 😁👍
Carol Steele Kona won for me it’s gorgeous and the range is amazing
The first 12 mins of the video is outside the cars actually...
I thought so when compering the Fiat Multipla V Honda FRV, both have 3 x 3 seating with ooodles of room however the mk1 fiat looked like it was drawn by 5 year old inspired by a jelly mood frog,the mk2 was better,slightly, I bought the FRV 1.7 petrol with 45k mileage. Wish Honda still made em. Ya never know a possible future EV.
When I test drove the Hyundai a short while ago, one of my favourite items was the Heads Up Display. I was disappointed to see the KIA does not have this feature, which is a game changer as a safety feature, and I fully expect to see this as a standard in most cars within a few years.
Great review. Loved it thanks. I've driven the Niro and loved it. Not tried Kona yet which I do actually prefer. Shame the boot is a bit on the small side as I do the occasional airport run. Still enjoying my 2017 Ioniq hybrid. Next to an IS200 Lexus, it's the the second best car I've ever owned over 35 years of driving. Keep up the good work.
I wish the Niro looked like the Kona! I want the space but prefer the look of the Kona
Phil Morbey I’m with you 👍
@@EVOpinion 👍🏻
Me too. I want the Kona exterior, drivers binacle and steering wheel
Phil exactly what I was thinking, Smile
Phil Morbey it’s really not as small as they say it is I love my Kona
Great comparison, especially the split screen for the rear leg room. Keep up the good work........
Randell Hayes thank you. I’ll try 😁👍
Best video ever ,, as a taxi man I’ve wanted a ENiro for a long time , great to see luggage and back seat , my next taxi is eNjro or 64kwh Leaf or ID4. Currently in L40 and boot seems bigger than eNiro
Byron Deithrick thank you for your kind comments. I think I’ll use the suitcases more often as a visual guide 👍
Excellent comparison video, and slick editing...thanks.
Yes, that is it. Thanks once again for your dedication to such pieces of information, they are very useful. Good job.
Another great video, what I like about you and EV man is there is no bullshite you tell it straight up and i admire that.
Paul Grinter that’s the only way I know how 😁. Thanks for the kind comment👍
Not race cars but faster than most petrol / diesels in this car category. The old leaf I and you have is over 10 seconds to 60, big difference. Thanks for pointing out the differences as clearly a lot of people pretend these are more similar than they are in my experience
Agreed. My 2014 Leaf feels fast to me, especially 0 to 40mph.
EV Op--- A very important feature in electric or hybrid electric cars is a readout telling you the remaining life of the battery. Not the remaining charge (yes of course that's important and as such it's designed into all electric cars); but 3 or 5 years later you want a good idea about the battery health. Rather than find out on a long trip that the batt has reached it's end! I would think this would be a must-include for a review, as not all brands include that.
Russel Green that’s true and sometimes (unless you buy a OBD2) the only way you find out the health of your battery is during its service. That said all EVs show the range remaining so you shouldn’t suddenly get caught out on a trip. I think manufacturers see it as a negative as when it’s there you focus on a bad thing rather than something good! The trouble with reviews is everyone has something important in mind. When I download the video each review is close to 2 hours of me talking! Nobody wants to see all that so I have to be ruthless with the editing and try to keep it around 20 mins as an absolute maximum. If enough people ask for a specific bit of info I’ll make sure it’s included😁👍
Thanks Ryan,great video for someone thinking about one of these cars,personally I would prefer the eNiro on interior space alone,but as always it's a personal choice
Good comparison video Ryan, I prefer Niro still I think
Brilliant video that thankfully answered all my questions between the two and I loved the way the video was done. Great job
Matt BrownieCake great news. I’m glad I was able to help 😁👍
How come you don’t put guitars in the boot mate? That’s more practical. :)
Going to be critical how my bass fits in the back. I'm expecting to drop the seat back like I do now in my Prius.
That wide angle used in the opening scene makes it look like both cars had a stroke
They needed to show curve like NASA does,haha.
Nice. Good to see a little fella which does not renrder cars small
Another great review Ryan, from a diesel owner who's now looking at ev's as a replacement, thanks for taking the time.
Alan Robertson you’re very welcome and thank you for the kind comment. Any idea what EV you’ll go for yet?
@@EVOpinion Hi Ryan, no not yet, waiting to see how EVs are progressing for next year,
Thanks Al
As ever a detailed review and fair comparison of the two cars. For me the Kia sold on the extra space and in my view a better interior, also I like the anonymous looks, there’s no clue as to what powers it. Both cars are important additions to the EV stable and would get a lot more drivers out of their fossil cars..if only supply could match demand. Please do take a look at my posting of our trip to Orleans last weekend..we are still on the learning curve when it comes to range in different weather conditions, it is a story of destination charging, feeling like 2nd class citizens around Tesla drivers, charging points with unusable sockets and a shiny new row of chargers from Ionity
Kia e-Niro Diaries off to look now 😁👍
Niro is the Winneer for me, thank you! ; )
What thing I really hate is having 1998 laggy poor quality screen in 2019 year 35k car. That's really really dissapointing
Good review with all the real practical things, however I would have also highlighted that the E-Niro has air vents for the rear occupants.
7 year warranty and bigger boot is a big plus for me.
For me Hyundai offers better warranty because it's 5 years unlimited mileage and am estimating 120,000 miles in 5 years time.
Iacovos Florides its all about individual needs.
Hyundai has given me excellent service for years.
I think we are all different. Here in the UK 250 miles is more than enough for me but I appreciate the distances are greater in the USA.
Hyundai’s battery is lifetime against failure but not degradation and other overall warranty is longer which appeals to me. I test drive the kona but haven’t the Rio yet. Their price range is at where that base Tesla model 3 is at but downside for me is that it is rear wheel drive, not great customer support reputation and scarcity of parts. Also it’s federal rebates are about over.
They changed it to battery lifetime warranty 💞
Thank you. I enjoyed what you said. Some of your video footage was blurry.
Saw the ev Kona in the wild yesterday. Didn't like the look of the Kona originally but I think it looks really good now
Hi to you a good review based on the differences between the cars that’s why we chose the Kia. It looks more grown up matching my 60 years as well as the size difference I also like the 7 year warranty that you get over the 5 year of the Hyundai. Don’t get me wrong they are both great cars it just comes down to personal choice and as more Ev’s come out that choice is only going to get better and that can only be a good thing. Enjoyed watching it.
Stephen clay glad you enjoyed it and you are happy with your eNiro. It is a great car and the range makes it a proper alternative to ICE vehicles 😁👍
Very impressed with the quality and thoroughness of this video. Well done. Kia Soul EV 2020 next please
Pete Cousins as soon as I can get hold of one I’ll do it 😁👍
I got my Kona in two days. Try that with a Nero. For an elderly couple, the Kona does us fine. Kona looks better, drives nice. Edmunds and Car and Driver gave thumbs up to the Kona, that speaks volumes. It is the North American SUV of the year. Grand kids do fine in the back. In traveling, we can go 4.5 hours on a charge. The Kona handles luggage fine. Both cars are good, built by the same ownership.
I just got my Kona yesterday. I came from the Chevy Volt for 4 years. So far the Kona is really nice.
Not a fan of logo's especially on the sides. I remove them. They do nothing for the look of the car and makes cleaning and waxing a tad more work.
Great reviews. Thank you.
I appreciate you presentation and comparison of both models
eSchlumpf thank you 😁👍
The range is a big plus for both of these cars. E Niro probably.
Kia for me is better in every possible way.
@ 5:54, the big 64Kwhr battery in the e-Niro sits quite low. I hope it isn't susceptible to damage....
I'd prefer a 40Kwhr battery in the Kia, less cost/weight with still enough practical range for the vast majority of journeys.
Nice comparison Ryan. Maybe e golf vs new leaf, i3 vs Zoe ?
Great comparison, thanks for the video
You still can pack these three bags into kona. Put two lager suitcases on their sides and here you are. This would work since depth of each suitcase is about 30-35cm (12-14"). The biggest problem with these cars is the charging time. It will take about 75 minutes to charge either car from 0 to 80% using fast charger. Also, their price (for a basic trim) is close to Tesla Model 3 Standard Plus. While Tesla Model 3 can charge from 0 to 80% in about 40 minutes (potentially in less than 30 minutes with a supercharger V3). Yes, superchargers V3 are not available yet, however, there IS a potential. While for Kona EV and Nero EV charging time will not decrease with time. BTW: 1to1 comparison with Tesla will be possible after Tesla Model Y will hit the road.
I test drove the e-niro which was excellent, but like Hyundai they could not give a date or even an estimate for delivery, suggesting that it could be well over 12 months. So yesterday I pre-ordered the VW ID3 1st (Limited to 30,000 cars across Europe) and I have got my ref number (£750 refundable deposit) The car is being showcased Sept for delivery mid 2020. One perk with the car is 1 years free charging.......
Have you managed to get a test drive if the VW? What was the price /offer for the ID? Looks like sept 2020 might be similar to both cars featured in this video. With that in mind VW sounds attractive.
@@jdavison8551 Hi, not able to test drive as car has not been released yet. Will be shown at the Frankfurt motor show in September for release approx June 2020. The car is approx golf size but more internal space. Prices from €30,000 to €40,000 before gov grants. There will be 3 trim levels. The vehicle will have the 58kwh battery.
Philip Reece many thanks for the info. Am going to research further and maybe follow up with with a reservation too. The 1 year free charging may be the clincher.
Im in the US and it freaks me out with your driver seat on the other side thanks so much for this video it helps me decide thank you thank you thank you!!!!
I'm in Australia, and EVERYTHING in the US freaks me out. (Especially the fact that Australia tries to mimic US trends/customs....)
Thanks, great comparison.E Niro for me but when i come to change my 2014 Leaf in a couple of years there will hopefullly be more choice without the 12mth waiting list. As well as VW i suspect that there may be some chinese models. The MG EZS coming in a few months is a little small for me but could be tempted by a slightly larger SUV and the price may well be reasonable. All depends on build quality.Also whatever happened to the promise that battery prices would go below $100 per KWH.
Tom Robson I think we all thought the availability and price would be here by now but the lack of cars and increased demand has kept the prices high. Let’s hope the models you have mentioned change that 👍
You didn't mention it, but the extra size of the E-Niro comes at a cost: the US EPA range of the E-Niro is only 239 miles vs. the Kona's 258 miles (385 km vs 415 km). That difference might push some people to telescope the Kona's steering wheel in as far as it goes and shuffle the front seat up to give more rear leg room, and use softer suitcases that fit better in the back of the smaller Kona...
Really? for 30 more clicks? Tell 'em they're dreamin'.
That's 30 EPA km, which is very conservative. It will be an extra day's commute for many people.
@@QolePejorian So..... plug it in one day earlier on the commute?
Sure, if you get the Niro, that's what you'll have to do. Charge more often.
Nice review Ryan, thanks. I spoke to our local Kia dealer earlier, really for confirmation of what I already knew ie 12 month order lead time. Last week I ordered an i3 for myself, will be built and delivered within 6 weeks so I can’t fathom how Kia have so massively underestimated demand?! This would be for my wife and as it happens, she’s not due to change until 2020 anyway but even so. Going for a test drive this weekend which will be really interesting, for internal and boot space and standard spec it’s impossible to beat, not to mention the range which is perfectly acceptable. While we like the look of the MG EV, it’s an MG and we’re dubious. Anyway, v useful review.
Germanic 1973 I wouldn’t put the MG and Kia in the same class. The Kia has more range and is substantially more expensive so should be better. I have no idea why they aren’t making more. The Ioniq was the same so they have no excuse. I think you’ll be very happy with both the i3 and Kia. They are brilliant cars 😁👍
Liked the video very interesting. Why would anybody want to keep charging cables under the boot floor. Do you really want to empty the boot to get charging cables out?
Robert Wood , they’re not your everyday use cables. A bit like a spare wheel being under the floor
price and warranty would have been good to know, but a great review. Thank you
easy to look up
Really amazing how you lot have to pick faults in every video, when a simple Google search will give you that answer!
@@gregandkaruna6674 not picking a fault, more a suggestion for future reference. I really enjoyed the video and thought the comparison was both informative in both a visual and technical way, especially since I'm looking towards purchasing my first ev.
@@andrewtaylor641 From my limited knowledge in UK Hyundai's warranty is 5 years and Kia 7 years, but go on Hyundai and Kia website's and all the details are there
@@gregandkaruna6674 thank you Greg. I will take a look.
At this very moment my Kona electric is showing 250 miles range available at 86% charge! That equates to 290 miles at 100% charge!
Richard Kilibreaux that is fantastic. It’s a great car 😁👍
Thanks Ryan. They're both interesting cars, if they become easier to buy. One thing you missed is the gap under your knees when sitting in the rear seats of either vehicle. That would become very uncomfortable during a longer journey.
RWBHere do you mean from the edge of the bench seat to your knee?
If you look at the footage, you will see daylight below the backs of your knees and the front edge of the rear seat. This means that most of your weight is concentrated on your posterior. After a while, this becomes rather uncomfortable. A seat of the correct height allows your weight to be spread over the whole of the backs of your thighs and backside, and allowing your lower legs to be more-or-less above your feet, which are flat on the floor. thus allowing for much greater comfort. It's all about pressure per unit area. A fairly firm cushion under your legs, or more legroom between the front and rear seats, will help. The problem is apparent with a number of EV's and many Asian-designed cars, partly because the battery is often under the floor, and also because of the average Asian person having shorter legs than average Westerners.
RWBHere that’s interesting and this doesn’t happen in other non-EV cars?
Great Review EVO. Txs!
Great comparison! Thank you
What about heat pump info?
Do you have both of these available across the whole UK/EU? In the US we can’t get these everywhere sadly.
Hi Ryan, I'm hoping you can help me. I'm after either of these two in long range top trim ( like the idea of having ventilated seats ) or indeed the E Soul. From what I can gather next year we should see a better supply . It's the price that is confusing me, the Kona which is my first choice is retailing at just on £41k so luxury tax which I'm keen to avoid out of principle. The Niro ( 4 eqivalent ) is retailing at approx £38k , both before the grant. I assumed the Kona would be cheaper, thought Kia was the slightly better marque.
Have I got all this wrong, am I looking in the wrong places for information ?????
I can answer that for you. Sadly, the prices you quoted are correct. The 2020 version of the Kona has seen some significant technological upgrades from the 2018/19 version so they've bumped up the price (probably also due to the high demand). These upgrades include a bigger infotainment system, thermal battery management (it can now heat the battery in the winter whereas it only had a cooling function before), rear seats can now be heated and it now has faster charging rate.
Despite this, I still ordered my Kona over the KIa mainly because I prefer more compact cars. The Kia is too big for my liking but of course that's personal preference. If you have kids and need the more spacious rear seats then by all means go for the Kia.
space in the rear of the Kona is a no go for me...and the waiting list
tizio caio it seems as though if you have kids or constant family in the car then Kia is right for you but if your like me where I drive alone 99% of the time the back room doesn’t matter for me . I give lyft rides and no one complains in fact people tip me and admire my car
Can someone confirm the e-Niro has HID or xenon headlights. If so I prefer them over LED headlights which don't carry as far and when on full beam at night you're blinded when they light up large road signs
Nice cars, shame about the price and the availability nearing unobtanium. Just wish Dacia / Renault would release an Electric Duster with a 50 ish kWh battery for about £20k for the base model or a Sandero with a 40kWh battery for around £10k base model. That's the mass market pricing we need otherwise EVs are still the reserve of the rich and PCP'ers.
I'm hoping that MG's offering will be in competitively priced!
@@EVOpinion that MG looks really good!
I wonder what the build quality will be like for that MG. Chinese 'rubber' components seem to have a very short life before they turn into chewing gum, or go crumbly.
Might be worth looking at the Zoe 40 (once the Zoe 50 goes on sale) - the 50 is purported to be coming out at the same price as the 40 is currently, and the 40 will get a price drop... 40 only has ~180 mile range officially (less than that realistically), but that's probably sufficient for many people, and the price might be right compared to these more expensive vehicles.
Great research and review as always. Thanks!
You could have fit the suitcases better if you but the soft wider one on the bottom where there was more room for it.
Any chance of a review about the Nissan env-200 panel van?
Don Richardson watch this space 👍😁
There are several on TH-cam by other presenters.
thanks for good comparison but u didn't mention the price or the charging range between the two
Great review! Thanks so MUCH!!
Thomas Wilcox you’re welcome. Thank you for the nice comment 👍
Nice comparison, side-by-side. Where I'm at in "the states," I can get Kia Niro EV, but to get Kona Electric, I'd have to drive a bit to another area to get it.. so I was able to test drive Niro EV, but not Kona Electric yet... can you do a range-comparison with these EVs? Maybe show their energy consumption (mi/kWh) or do a true drive test, like drive both cars to a fixed distance (eg 100km or 50km) from a full charge and see their battery % at the end of the drive? Here in "the states," it says the Kona Electric has 30km more range than Niro EV... But seems in Europe with WLTP rating, it's almost reversed.. so very strange...
Andrew Le I’ll see what I can do. The eNiro has gone now and it’s difficult to find one here in the UK. If I can get one I’ll do a range test 😁👍
There are several range comparison videos already done and on TH-cam. Did you even try to look before asking this guy?
@@lesizmor9079 Yes, I have.. Most dont show a side-by-side range test. And what's wrong with asking? Dont you have anything else better to do?
Can you tell me both cars ground clearance
the trunk handle to open it is at the bumper level (imagine snow and ice built up ) the Niro handle for the trunk is at mid high position away from ice and snow build up ...
There was no price comparison or do they cost exactly the same?
Olu Fay they are roughly the same depending on which Kona model you choose.
Both great cars,but you cannot go to show room and buy one from stock,both got a year wait list,how r these going to change people to EVs ,
Paul Harrison it’s so frustrating!!
Do they actually take 100kw? I keep reading 70kw top charging rate?
Ezra's Daddy they should but only when conditions are perfect. It won’t charge Fron 0-100% at 100kw but should for part of it. It’s all down to the software protecting the battery👍
They will both charge at 75kw max on a 100kw Charger.fact
It would have been nice to here price comparisons as that's probably the most important decision for most people as I know the electric kia is £16,000 dearer than what I paid for my new ice kia sportage 12 month ago. Would that make it worth it I doubt it.
Nice review sir
*****
And what is the price of both ev ?
Interesting video but a test drive through a busy town pointing out any day to day real world issues would've been handy
Nigel Old & Grey thank you. If you look at my other videos you will see individual test reviews on both cars 😁👍
The plastic wheel guards on the Kona will be difficult to keep looking good.
Was it back to black we used to use years ago for bumpers?
They'd have to look good to start with, to keep them looking good.........
Great review ! Thanks
Interesting that the battery is indeed from different manufacturers. I saw comments that the chemistry is different this seems to confirm it. The Q is then will one last longer than the other? 7 years? on e-niro battery v 10 years for kona?
given that Kia gives a longer warranty on the battery than does Hyunday, it may well be the other way around...
Here in USA the Hyundai is promoting lifetime warranty on the battery against failure but not degradation which history is showing won’t be bad over a long time
IMHO, Range is the most deciding factor for getting into an EV...
Certainly not if the EV is part of a two car household.
It is one of the factors - whether it's the 'most deciding' depends on the person buying, etc. And, in this instance, they have pretty much the same range (+/- 2 miles? - driving style will have a bigger impact on achievable range)
Excellent Video!
Thank you.😀👍
Great review Ryan many thanks. Can you do a video explaining if I bought Kona or Niro could I use Tesla chargers?
Rob if I joined the lower cost gym in town would I be able to use the facilities at the more expensive one that had invested money in proper equipment. Of course not!!
Rob Heap , afraid not Rob, but in the future Tesla might come to some sort of arrangement with other companies. Wouldn’t bother me, as most people charge at home overnight
At first I thought you were one of these Tesla sheep having a dig at these cars for not having a supercharger network, but I see you were genuine about asking. Tesla is proprietary everything so they will never share their network with any other car company, yet all the other chargers are an open platform so even Tesla can use them.
Greg , I gave an answer to Rob, I didn’t ask a question
@@fanfeck2844 Opps it was supposed to be a reply to Rob not you sorry.
Brilliant video, thank you Sir
Thank you!
The battery appears to be lower than the body of the car, could be an issue going over bumps maybe.
Especially on the Niro, it's one of the main complaints.
@@lesizmor9079 yes i was referring to the niro forgot to mention in my comment.
@@lesizmor9079 Hopefully they will give us the cheaper 40kWh battery option that sits higher!
I saw an E Niro yesterday in a very low rent area of Blackpool.
So , basically, Blackpool.
I think the Hyundai looks better. I also trust Hyundai cars and their warranty system. I have owned Hyundai cars exclusively for over 20 years - beginning with an Elantra wagon, Santa Fe, Tiburon, another Santa Fe, the Entourage (loved it!), A Sonata (SUPERB CAR!), another Santa Fe, an Ioniq, ANOTHER Santa Fe, and finally, a Kona ELECTRIC!
In having owned no less than 10 different Hyundai vehicles, spanning over two decades I am definitely ALL-IN on the brand! I often cite the warranty coverage, yet we've seldom had a warranty issue, and those we have had were minor and of no matter to the reliable operation of the vehicle. On top of that, Hyundai warranty service is the best in the business!
At the same time, since I know Hyundai owns KIA, I would have no problem buying a KIA Niro electric, but it wasn't here when the Kona arrived, so it's the Kona that's sitting in my driveway!
I understand reviewers are paid to parse terms and make much of the small stuff, but both vehicles are very close in every way, with the Niro having 4" more wheelbase, and a bit more rear seat room - as I understand. However, I have four kids who LOVE to ride in the Kona, ages 6-14, and they have no problems leaping in and out of the back, nor finding space to park their school backpacks when I pick them up from school!
I tend to like the Hyundai's looks as it looks a bit sportier than the KIA which is a role-reversal for the two brands. While listed as a "CUV" the Kona is very much like a "hot hatchback" in terms of performance. It will absolutely LEAVE everything at a traffic light and be all the way to the NEXT light while all the ICE cars are still gaining speed! Operated with restraint it will surpass 5 mi/kWh in city driving. With a range approaching 300 miles, if only operated in town, one ends up needing to charge only about once a month! Talk about economical!
The Kona has become our primary vehicle for all local trips - why bother cranking up the Santa Fe Limited for a run to the grocery store when the Kona is so much more fun and FAR more economical to use!
Richard Kilibreaux it’s a great car and my personal favourite even if the Kia has a bit more space. If it suits your needs then great. I love hearing from people like you that have a long history with a brand. EVs are still new and to hear you are still happy with the brand you love even after the switch is great. Thanks for the comment and to put your mind at rest I didn’t receive a penny from anyone for this review (although I’m always open to a sponsor😁). I make these videos as a hobby and tell it as I see it 😁👍
#1 the pieces of plastic above the rear windows are not spoilers, they are Kamm backs, put there to reduce turbulence and drag. They are not creating down force.
#2: The most important figure; E-Niro 15.9 kWh/100km 375km range, Kona 15.4 kWh/100km, 449km range neither is good, but the Kona is significantly better.
Tore Lund Kamm backs. Great knowledge, thank you for letting me know 😁👍
I'm in no way knowledgeable when it comes to EVs but since they're both FWD, would it be possible to use the non driving wheels to produce more energy for the batteries?
Joel Broski I’m. I expert but yes it could be done but it would take additional energy to drive the car forward in order to charge it at the rear wheels. Think about the old dynamo on your push bike 😲
There’s no such thing as free energy. Physics
You'd have to spend more energy through the front wheels than you'd gain from regen at the rear (it would be the same as driving with the brakes on)
8:45 could be worse - that try for the Zoe is £150! - it comes with the Kona
Kona's face looks nice but I did a test drive in the e-niro today, it was nice and feels roomy, will be testing Kona as well...
Kia e-niro better in all aspects - including looks for me. I think the Kona 'fun' & 'modern' looks will date really quickly (or maybe remain relevant if you are 8).
If the e-niro was actually available this century I might well commit. As it is I have placed pre-order for VW ID.3 yesterday. I expect this will arrive well before the Kona or niro (even if I could place order for these today).
(p.s. Talked to someone from local Hyundai dealer yesterday who said that head office have told them they are not even allowed to hint when a delivery may be possible. They cannot even accept orders - but must refer everyone to head office. He was not a happy man).
bbbf09 , how much is the vw, and when can you get it?
@@fanfeck2844 mid 2020 so they say Europe only. 100,000 per year to be made, so should be easy for anyone in Europe to get one.
Greg , thank you. Do you know expected price
@@fanfeck2844 Its easy access though Google, but it's supposed to be €30,000 for a 330 km range will have 3 battery sizes from 45kwh 58kwh and 77kwh, as well as 2000kwh of fast charging included.
@@fanfeck2844 you can book pre-order on vw website with 1000 euro deposit that is refundable if you cancel. Cost is 30k euro (on the road cost - i.e. no extra tax or hidden charges) . Thats for for base model 200 mile range. The launch model is promised to be less than 40k but has longer 260 mile range with 62kwh battery.
If you dont need a hatch back, check out the model 3 standard range with superior tech and performance
Tong Tran just a shame about the £40k+ price tag here in the UK. I’m still looking forward to drive it though😁👍
@@EVOpinion Please do a model 3 video once you get your hands on it!
Tong Tran I’m working really hard to get hold of one of the first ones. As soon as I have one the review will be on 😁👍
Great video, thanks!!....
Good side by side comparison -- thx
What would Mrs Bucket say about an EV?
jvolstad would anything short of a Jag make her happy?
@@EVOpinion remember when she and Richard had the Rolls Royce?
th-cam.com/video/Po9yWit9jL4/w-d-xo.html
jvolstad unfortunately I can remember that. I’m getting old😬
"Mind the pedestrians, Richard" ('cause the EV's so quiet, they might not hear it and step out onto the road)
I already placed an order for a kia e Niro, so i'm just watching this to confirm to myself i made the right choice
I would think for ALL electric cars there would be LEDs as standard due to the lower power usage....maybe it's not that simple?
if hyundai and kia really wanted to sell evs in uk they would have sent more ... lots more evs from other makers are on the way so wait and see for a year which is about the waiting time for one of these ... 2020 volkswagon looks good ...
kevin moore so many coming. Let’s hope the produce enough to meet demand 🤔
@@EVOpinion fingers crossed
Would be interesting to know what the measurements are with the seats down
If I can get my hand son another one I'll try to have a look.
Andrew Till just did a video on the cargo dimensions.
th-cam.com/video/3jtgEQujHNg/w-d-xo.html
The measurements he got with the seats down were
Height 67cm
Length (to the passenger seat when pushed little forward) 180cm
Width 105cm
The height of the boot with the trays removed was 95cm.
I sat in the kona ages ago and there's no way it could be used as a commercial vehicle (taxi/phv) not to mention the boot isn't good enough. Cheers
Agreed, LOVE your handle! Fancy a Bev indeed Cobber...
This is like a mother giving kids money and just ask them to use some common stuff at home and build something that stands out from the other's
Kia and Hyundai are those kids and they both complete and complement each other so that they both cater differemt parts of market and conquer in a joint way
Buying a car for most is an emotional purchase. For families maybe not. I personally like eKona. It well suits my need and the size is perfect. The bland 'mommy mobile' styling of the eNiro puts me off so bad I would rather look at something else like a Tesla Model Y. What difference does it make anyway if I have to wait a year?
I personally think the Kona in all of its incarnations is a visual abomination of the highest order, not to mention highly impractical.
Conversely the e-Niro is practical, conventional and doesn't scream "look at me, I'm a little SUV".
The Kona is better looking however the enero is the one to choose
Honestly, it always puzzles me why two different cars, built by different car makers and with batteries from two different cell factories have the same exact net battery capacity
babyelian77 the underpinnings of both cars are exactly the same. They come from the same place. The batteries are different. That said, you’re right, they are very similar with range etc 👍
I can't recall the presenter quoting the net (usable) battery capacity though, only 64Kwhr total capacity. (I'm guessing a usable 59-60?)
Ben Haynes the battery is 64kwh usable. It is actually 67kwh in total I believe. This new crop of EVs seem to be quoting usable size rather than total like Nissan do 😁👍
Wow....one of your best (non LEAF) videos to date. Very informative!! If I didn't have my LEAF...I know now which one I would buy. #TeamKia
canadagirleh me too!😁
Thank you very much for this Excellent review
Electric Drive Africa you’re welcome and thank you for taking the time to comment 😁👍
...but you never take them out on the road for a test drive...what is up with that...it is like a Miss America pageant where they get crowned but you never get to take them out on a real date to see what they are like under all that glam. Why you not take them for a test drive as part of the review ?
How can one decide which is best ?