Not sure what they expected really. They started selling Chinese made motorcycles at euro premium prices.. I just bought a Yamaha XSR900 and one of the bikes I was considering was the Duke 790 until I found out it was a cfmoto with a KTM price tag.
Way back in '08 they built the decompression lever on the Cam backward in the 450/530 EXC's and then told us to go eff ourselves when you asked for an updated Cam that actually let you use the Electric start! THAT was when they started down the road of ''Got your money so go piss off!'' Add in the China factor and hell no I won't be spending 16K on a Dirt Bike from them again!
Looks like that same management team doing its destructive thing. The logo and company name changed but the behavior is the same. Huge difference from a corporation and a private company that cares about what they've built.
If they're made in China, there's nothing that sets it apart from CFMoto, especially considering the industry ties between the two companies. And I think we all know how good CFMoto's reputation is amongst Americans.
I bought a 2017 250xc. The hardware on it was so soft everything stripped as soon as you touched it. The clutch never fully engaged either what a heap. Bought a yz250 after and had no issues
I first started riding 2 years ago at 42 yrs. old and purchased my first bike which is a 2022 KTM ADV 390. I've put 17,000 miles on it and zero issues. It's been a super fun bike so far so I hope they turn things around. I think the reliability concerns and addon tech package you have to pay to unlock are the biggest hurdles for some buyers. If they started a promo where they unlock the full tech package for free or very little cost I think that would go a long way to getting people onboard to buy one. And also possibly extending warranties on existing newer model bikes!
I've had my KTM for 4 years, one minor issue and it has been a great bike. I love it in orange but for some that is too bright, they should at least offer colours. The camshaft issue wasn't an issue with material the camshaft was made from but more a manufacturing issue where sufficient oil wouldn't get to the camshaft. As someone who works in engineering, that can happen. Where KTM have gone wrong in my view, is the way they handled the camshaft issue, the lack of colour options, paying to unlock software is the reason I won't get another until I get the whole bike for the price I paid. They have been in a similar position before, they can turn it around and I hope they do.
Aprilia had trouble with their 660 engines at first but they owned it and fixed it for free under warranty. It didn't really affect aprilia's brand that much. KTM should have learned from them.
It is never a good look having manufacturing faults but the way the company deals with it really does make a difference. How will the current ceo and upper management handle any future possible issues is the big question putting of new purchases of this brand
The pendulum from covid is starting to swing back. Every bike.atv manufacturer is seeing a downturn. KTM is hurt more due to their many different offerings.
@@nerychristianOverpriced yet manufacturers are losing money. Since you are so brilliant about building motorcycles cheaper you should get into the business. Inflation is real and apparently your wallet hasn't kept pace. Time to accept reality.
They charge $800 for the tech unlocks probably because hacking the system requires replacing some components like the ecu which could end up being even more expensive :shrugs
KTM got to big too quick & really started price gouging like everyone else. I had many cheap parts from Taiwan/China i had to replace on my 250XCF-W & my 350XCF. The 300TPI (now discontinued) has barely any hours due to me not trusting it & can't list it for the bad reputation it has. Value is sunk on those
KTM currently lists where each bike is bulit on their website. Their top of the line bikes are built in austria. But most ktm owners like myself have the cheaper made and non austrian built bikes. So we can complain all we want bit most of us complaining dont own top spec ktms. The new RCR and 990 R will be 100% bulit in austria. They have also adressed the cam issues now, people will get over it. Just takes time
First thing, all the software needs to come right out of the box. Second , stop making them in china . Third , be upfront with the cam issue and fix it . The are the champs of off road racing , they pretty much have the market cornered . Don’t drop that ball . The expensive ADV are really nice , but making them in china kills that , and that’s where the Yamaha’s T7 is my personal choice over the 890/901 .
Just that alone makes me not trust ktm as a brand where they will price gouge customers while using low cost labor. Notice I didn’t say quality because the quality may be good, but the labor there is cheap I believe. Very greedy too me.
Yet they are losing money? Apparently the viabilty of operating a company goes well beyond the incremental profit per unit. Even if they sell at higher margin than competitors but at inadequate volumes the business model is not sustainable. Engineers and product development is huge expense that so-called pundits on how much things should cost always conveniently ignore. Advanced new tech is NEVER free and ALWAYS high cost.
The problem is the Japanese won’t make anything to compete with almost anything ktm makes. There’s no 300 2strokes or EXC or enduro models from the Japanese to compete at all. Rd legal or not.
Because these are nich market motorcycles too small to be worthwhile. Those without business savy and having wants representing the small vocal minority always think they are profitable customers but couldn't be more wrong.
KTM’s quality control post Covid is absolutely terrible. I bought a 2024 690 smcr in April and from the first ride the countershaft seal was leaking. It took 4 trips back and forth to the dealer after attempts to fix and they still couldn’t figure it out. A KTM employed tech was going to travel to the dealer with 3 modified seals to see which would work. KTM did offer to replace the engine. I declined, saying that is unacceptable on a brand new machine and demanded a new bike. The non-chaletness they approached the issue with, and claiming they never had this issue before, did not set me at ease. The next day they obliged and agreed to cover all the title transferring and cost of paperwork for another bike of the same model. When the dealer prepped the second bike for delivery they test rode the bike and found the same issue, but a more severe leak. KTM paid me back for the price I paid for the bike but claimed they couldn’t compensate me for the roughly 18 hours of back and forth travel to the dealer, nor any gas or toll expenses I accrued. This is not how you sell bikes. Before this I was a hardcore KTM fan and had long term plans to buy some of their more premium road models. After this experience I don’t think I’ll ever consider another KTM and have gone back to buying Yamaha’s.
intelligent market manipulation. KTM is too big to fail. if your smart buy their stock now as its going to 3-5x soon as they drop a press release w new info in Q1
KTM was always unreliable, now add into it disgruntle workers, budget cost, overseas labor. Too bad the neutered big 4 Japanese brands are no longer are innovative and choose NOT to improve designs or give consumers the features found on other brands.
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Not sure what they expected really. They started selling Chinese made motorcycles at euro premium prices.. I just bought a Yamaha XSR900 and one of the bikes I was considering was the Duke 790 until I found out it was a cfmoto with a KTM price tag.
Way back in '08 they built the decompression lever on the Cam backward in the 450/530 EXC's and then told us to go eff ourselves when you asked for an updated Cam that actually let you use the Electric start! THAT was when they started down the road of ''Got your money so go piss off!'' Add in the China factor and hell no I won't be spending 16K on a Dirt Bike from them again!
The 790/890 cam lobe issues really farked them..
Looks like that same management team doing its destructive thing. The logo and company name changed but the behavior is the same. Huge difference from a corporation and a private company that cares about what they've built.
If they're made in China, there's nothing that sets it apart from CFMoto, especially considering the industry ties between the two companies.
And I think we all know how good CFMoto's reputation is amongst Americans.
The specs set them apart from CF Moto… CF Moto is usually up in weight and down in power compared to all of their “copy cat” bikes that they mimic.
Love my cf MOTO 😊
@@MrWhitelightning73I would say that too if I wasted money on a CFmoto.
Boomers LOVE CFMoto.
I bought a 2017 250xc. The hardware on it was so soft everything stripped as soon as you touched it. The clutch never fully engaged either what a heap. Bought a yz250 after and had no issues
I first started riding 2 years ago at 42 yrs. old and purchased my first bike which is a 2022 KTM ADV 390. I've put 17,000 miles on it and zero issues. It's been a super fun bike so far so I hope they turn things around. I think the reliability concerns and addon tech package you have to pay to unlock are the biggest hurdles for some buyers. If they started a promo where they unlock the full tech package for free or very little cost I think that would go a long way to getting people onboard to buy one. And also possibly extending warranties on existing newer model bikes!
because 390 advs are made in india. india made small ktm bikes have no major problems.
I've had my KTM for 4 years, one minor issue and it has been a great bike.
I love it in orange but for some that is too bright, they should at least offer colours.
The camshaft issue wasn't an issue with material the camshaft was made from but more a manufacturing issue where sufficient oil wouldn't get to the camshaft. As someone who works in engineering, that can happen.
Where KTM have gone wrong in my view, is the way they handled the camshaft issue, the lack of colour options, paying to unlock software is the reason I won't get another until I get the whole bike for the price I paid.
They have been in a similar position before, they can turn it around and I hope they do.
I never bought one because my neighbor did and told me that their warranty wasn’t any good because the main company wouldn’t allow hardly any claims.
Looks like KTM is being really poorly managed.
Yet another example of a company whose management seems determined to destroy the organization in the service of short term alleged gain
KTM has been in trouble since they killed Husaberg. 😒
Aprilia had trouble with their 660 engines at first but they owned it and fixed it for free under warranty. It didn't really affect aprilia's brand that much. KTM should have learned from them.
I was really looking forward to the 2025 390 adv. now I’m hoping the bmw f 450gs won’t be $9-10k.
Ready to Repair!
It is never a good look having manufacturing faults but the way the company deals with it really does make a difference. How will the current ceo and upper management handle any future possible issues is the big question putting of new purchases of this brand
Loved my 1090R, and love my 890R. Best bikes I’ve ever had.
The pendulum from covid is starting to swing back. Every bike.atv manufacturer is seeing a downturn. KTM is hurt more due to their many different offerings.
All motorcycles are overpriced. And some dealers are still being greedy by adding markups.
@@nerychristianOverpriced yet manufacturers are losing money. Since you are so brilliant about building motorcycles cheaper you should get into the business. Inflation is real and apparently your wallet hasn't kept pace. Time to accept reality.
They pulled a GM. Their stuff started going to shit in 2018.
They charge $800 for the tech unlocks probably because hacking the system requires replacing some components like the ecu which could end up being even more expensive :shrugs
Made in China, pay to unlock features, camshaft issues, financials. I was looking at a 790, bought a Honda Africa Twin.
KTM got to big too quick & really started price gouging like everyone else. I had many cheap parts from Taiwan/China i had to replace on my 250XCF-W & my 350XCF. The 300TPI (now discontinued) has barely any hours due to me not trusting it & can't list it for the bad reputation it has. Value is sunk on those
KTM currently lists where each bike is bulit on their website. Their top of the line bikes are built in austria. But most ktm owners like myself have the cheaper made and non austrian built bikes. So we can complain all we want bit most of us complaining dont own top spec ktms. The new RCR and 990 R will be 100% bulit in austria. They have also adressed the cam issues now, people will get over it. Just takes time
Too late
First thing, all the software needs to come right out of the box. Second , stop making them in china . Third , be upfront with the cam issue and fix it . The are the champs of off road racing , they pretty much have the market cornered . Don’t drop that ball . The expensive ADV are really nice , but making them in china kills that , and that’s where the Yamaha’s T7 is my personal choice over the 890/901 .
Did the stellanis
Just that alone makes me not trust ktm as a brand where they will price gouge customers while using low cost labor. Notice I didn’t say quality because the quality may be good, but the labor there is cheap I believe. Very greedy too me.
Yet they are losing money? Apparently the viabilty of operating a company goes well beyond the incremental profit per unit. Even if they sell at higher margin than competitors but at inadequate volumes the business model is not sustainable. Engineers and product development is huge expense that so-called pundits on how much things should cost always conveniently ignore. Advanced new tech is NEVER free and ALWAYS high cost.
The problem is the Japanese won’t make anything to compete with almost anything ktm makes.
There’s no 300 2strokes or EXC or enduro models from the Japanese to compete at all. Rd legal or not.
Beta, Sherco, & Rejui (GasGas OG bikes). All make 300 2T & even some 200 2t 🤘🏻
Because these are nich market motorcycles too small to be worthwhile. Those without business savy and having wants representing the small vocal minority always think they are profitable customers but couldn't be more wrong.
KTM’s quality control post Covid is absolutely terrible. I bought a 2024 690 smcr in April and from the first ride the countershaft seal was leaking. It took 4 trips back and forth to the dealer after attempts to fix and they still couldn’t figure it out. A KTM employed tech was going to travel to the dealer with 3 modified seals to see which would work. KTM did offer to replace the engine. I declined, saying that is unacceptable on a brand new machine and demanded a new bike. The non-chaletness they approached the issue with, and claiming they never had this issue before, did not set me at ease. The next day they obliged and agreed to cover all the title transferring and cost of paperwork for another bike of the same model. When the dealer prepped the second bike for delivery they test rode the bike and found the same issue, but a more severe leak. KTM paid me back for the price I paid for the bike but claimed they couldn’t compensate me for the roughly 18 hours of back and forth travel to the dealer, nor any gas or toll expenses I accrued. This is not how you sell bikes. Before this I was a hardcore KTM fan and had long term plans to buy some of their more premium road models. After this experience I don’t think I’ll ever consider another KTM and have gone back to buying Yamaha’s.
Another what the heck is going on at such n such
Thought these were made in India 🤷♂️
the ones made In India (390 and downwards) are pretty reliable. The big bikes seem to be the one with issues.
intelligent market manipulation. KTM is too big to fail. if your smart buy their stock now as its going to 3-5x soon as they drop a press release w new info in Q1
KTM was always unreliable, now add into it disgruntle workers, budget cost, overseas labor. Too bad the neutered big 4 Japanese brands are no longer are innovative and choose NOT to improve designs or give consumers the features found on other brands.
Make to Much bike nd not enough sell