How I see it is it’s a combative sport. You should always be attempting to have the better setup at all times. If you come out on top by taking those advantages well then you were just more technical then him. You should always be taking and not letting them get it back the best you can. I wouldn’t say it’s cheating but a battle of technicality and up to the refs to call what they see (verified by replays of course) and it’s up to the other guy whether or not he’s going to take back what you took.. Not to go without saying there are obvious situations of cheating that can’t be without consequences.
@@toddhutchings906you isn't so old to call you old man, Uncle Todd, you still acting like a young man! And your age makes you the coolest man in this sport! We already do your "strap side pressure pronation" and jm presses at Koh Samui island, Thailand (we are russians)
Louie Simmons wrote: "The dynamic effort method was designed to be alternated with the maximum effort method for those who could not withstand two maximum effort workouts per week." He and many of his athletes did just that because they simply did not have time to recover, even with all the necessary recovery tools. Thanks for video Uncle Todd, you're incredibly strong 💪
There is a fact: the word cheating in its meaning means a violation of the rules. If in football a player scores a goal with his hand and the referee does not notice, then this is cheating. If the referee does not notice the violation and counts the goal, formally this does not change the fact that a violation of the rules occurred. The referee's decision remains in force, but the player's action itself can be considered unethical and violating the principles of fair play.
@@toddhutchings906 In my opinion, even if rules are not followed or monitored, they still remain rules, since they formally exist within the framework of regulations or laws. This is like a traffic rule: if a driver runs a red light and does not receive a fine, this does not cancel the existence of the rule itself. There was still a violation, there was just no punishment. Manners, unlike rules, are regulated by cultural norms and do not always have a strict obligation to comply or a clear punishment for their violation.
@@toddhutchings906 I agree with you, Uncle Todd, rules can indeed lose their force if they are not followed and monitored. But I, as a common citizen, cannot avoid paying taxes and get away with it, as most of the "elite close to the emperor" do 😄
In a seminar ..you mentioned that,if we wanna increase our PR , do different styles side pressures (13 styles in 13 weeks).. Please tell me what are your 13 variations ❤️
@@MR.Minimiltia mine change depending on opponent. Simply put: 3 handles 2 table positions Is 6 exercises. If your handles allow 2 grips ( straps and multispinners) You now have 12 exercises.
The main issue is that 90% of the people never read the rules. Somebody told them something and thats it. I even met the refs who didnt know the real rules.
Hello Toddfather 👋🏻 it is NOT cheating if the refs allow it. History remembers winners, not how they won. i love your honorable samarai style as well though Mr. Hutchings!!! 💪🏻
@@toddhutchings906 I thought we were talking about sports. people remember Lance Armstrong as a cheater, but we're talking about things that refs allow. for the most part in whatever sport someone likes, if their team or player wins the competition, they don't care if there was a little controversy. History is the same way. A little on down the line, people forget all about that stuff.
Don’t keep doing the side pressure if your shoulders hurt. Don’t learn the hard way lol. Do resistance band external rotation with 5 second pause and shoulder stability exercises. You have to keep your rotator cuffs strong, You don’t want to injure them, the shoulder is pretty complicated inside there.
@@toddhutchings906 same as pronation side pressure, right? Or maybe pronated variation is better for hook? I'm interested in your opinion, because I do only pronation side pressure for hook Because fully supinated hook is obviously a losing position, and it will be better if you save some pronation in a hook.
Uncle Todd!! Why do you choose not to press ever? Sometimes when i see you in a match in a winning position struggling to finish while having a nice lane to transition to a press but instead just finish with brutal side pressure. Why would one choose to complicate their life like that? Is it excellence you are striving for perhaps?
I'd say no, it's not cheating to do what the refs allow, but I might be yelling at the ref if they are being unfair with their leniency to the competitors. We have all seen some really loose matches that cause some contention down the road.
1. Yes (but victory is more important) 2. The Warriors (can you dig it?) 3. #7 (it's a good number) That was fun Uncle Todd. Let's do more quiz questions soon. 😄👍
Next time you lose a match to an opponent who is equally strong, but whose elbow came half a meter from the pad, and the referee did not notice and gave him the victory - stick to your statement on the first point.
@@drkdrk7 You have a point there, but the fact is referees also make mistakes and without a video referee it might be impossible for them to do a perfect job.
so pull to side with flying elbow is more effective then press/ pull with elbow on static place? or you do that because its healthier for elbows?.... you are legend and same time future of armwrestling. Bards will sing about your fame.
Pull to side with flying elbow is side pressure. I choose not to press. Some folks trains with elbow static, there are even machines specifically for that. I don’t like it. It causes elbow pain.
1. I would say no but my view is from a fan of the sport it seems everyone is trying to get as much of an advantage at the table with setup an what not so if the ref lets it go i would say no. it's kinda like football refs know what pass interference is but sometimes they let the receiver an db go at it an just play hard football. 2.The Warriors 3. answer is 7
@@toddhutchings906 Interesting, thanks for the answer. My interpretation of that would be that excellence is a successful longterm strategy for victory. If excellence is about process, the question is what is process about? I would think the main point of a process in the context of sport is to attain victory consistently over time. But I appreciate that some victories that come at the cost of process may undermine long term success. A good analogy for me would be powerlifting form: I may beat a PR with bad form, but that will ultimately retard my overall progress, so good form is crucial to longterm success. Nevertheless, the principal point of good form is to lift the heaviest weight and attain victory (in the context of competition). But all this assumes that the main point of engaging in sport is attaining victory, and that is perhaps too simplistic.
@@criticalcog6363 People striving for victory argue with refs, stay in their weight class, have myriad excuses for their losses, avoid hard tournaments, stay in amateur classes forever. People striving for excellence pull outside their weight class, are innovative in their training, pull the hardest tournaments, don’t fight the refs, don’t make excuses for their losses.
@@toddhutchings906 I think a fundamental issue here is that excellence is a subjective term (there can be varying ideas of excellence) whereas victory is objective (is the match called in your favor or not). However, I agree that quality and scope of competition definitely informs the value of victories (a world championship is obviously way better than an amateur match), so technically victory per se isn't enough. Maybe some amount of victory is a necessary condition of excellence, but is not sufficient by itself for excellence. I guess it depends on how you define excellence.
Hello uncle Todd, is it good for countering a toproll? Cause I've been doing it for quite some time now along with other supination, cupping, press, side pressure toproll etc. I've been copying/following yours lately
Love you sir I train side pressure static I keep the rope straight to my arm and do side pressure is it correct Way I feel it's harder when I do side pressure with rope straight and apply pressure plz help
@@toddhutchings906 yes sir I have improved but the thing is should I keep the gym pulley rope straight to my arm and practice side pressure or should I keep it little higher the rope. It's easier if I keep the rope angel higher and do side pressure but when I put it straight it's very tough but I think that's the right way for side pressure ❤
I’d say it is cheating, even if the ref doesn’t see it or allows it doesn’t mean the act is legal Take cricket for example, they have all the tech in the world to see if someone is out or not, yet the umpires call still stands even if it’s wrong if the team is out of reviews. Intensely frustrating for the tv viewer to see one team getting away with something they shouldn’t because of a ref’s call
Is this the armwrestling version of "If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around, does it make a sound?" If there are rules and the rules are broken, yes, it is cheating. Whether the refs call it or not, the objective fact remains. Saying that, "Well, the refs didn't call it, so I didn't break the rules!" is a subjective interpretation of the objective reality. Otherwise, don't even bother with having rules.
If the rules are not enforced, are they rules. The correct analogy would be “If the lumberjacks saw a tree fall in the forest, but didn’t hear it, did it make a sound”?
@@toddhutchings906 If you are in a sport, you go to a rules meeting where the officials explain the rules to you and/or you are given a set of rules to learn and follow, and you the choose to compete in that sport, then the rules exist. How is this even a question? If everyone chooses to ignore the rules, then you no longer have a sport. Just use two arms in your next match, as long as the refs don't call it, right?
@@Hotel8k3k Do the rules exist if they are not enforced? Your example misses the point. It’s not that all rules are not enforced ( 2 arms ) but some rules ( moving in ref grip )
@@toddhutchings906 It doesn't miss the point, you give an inch and some will take a mile. As long as the refs don't call it. It is not if the rules exist, it is if they matter. Whatever. I am not an armwrestler. Have fun in your match.
this whole rules debate probably comes down to whether you think you are being judged by the invisible man in the sky or the referees. I'll just stick with the judgement of my friends & fam who will be high fiving me when i win 😆 Play hard & love harder! ♥️ I believe we are at an impass anyway and their will never be a resolution to the debate. that's all i got. i'm done with posting about the rules debate.
It wasn’t meant to be a debate. In the video I said the answer depends on whether you strive for victory or excellence. That was what I’d hoped most replies would be.
It is cheating when you take full advantage of how much pressure the refs are under. The refs do not want to make someone lose to fouls because its not entertaining, and E vs W or kott might lose significant revenue. Its a dirty tactic but it works for Devon. And he keeps doing it because there is no accountability.
WAL 501, Devon should've admitted that it was a pin, but he didn't! Bart failed to see it! Jen was too worked up to notice that! Was Devon cheating? NO! Devon was going for the win and you were going for the excellence!
1) If the referee sees it and doesn’t call it, is it cheating?
2) What was the movie reference?
3) What was the secret number?
Cheating is breaking the rules Period! Now.... is every match reffed the same?! No!! Shoulder placement is all over the place before a match starts
The warriors "pony boy"
Secrete number must be 20 🎣
yes it's like saying it's not rape if the police allow it
How I see it is it’s a combative sport. You should always be attempting to have the better setup at all times. If you come out on top by taking those advantages well then you were just more technical then him. You should always be taking and not letting them get it back the best you can. I wouldn’t say it’s cheating but a battle of technicality and up to the refs to call what they see (verified by replays of course) and it’s up to the other guy whether or not he’s going to take back what you took.. Not to go without saying there are obvious situations of cheating that can’t be without consequences.
Peak thumbnail 🤣🤣
Did you move? What happened to the ol man cave basement with the cats and cat brush? lol
Only temporary
I didn't know I was a child at the age of 40, you always learn something new when you get old.
I don't know why the f**k it's so entertaining to watch this old man train the way he does
🎼🎶 I wanna be addicted !!
@@toddhutchings906you isn't so old to call you old man, Uncle Todd, you still acting like a young man! And your age makes you the coolest man in this sport! We already do your "strap side pressure pronation" and jm presses at Koh Samui island, Thailand (we are russians)
@@Тихон-ы7з ❤️ love you all.
I really enjoy these segments of training.
Mr Hutchings the weights might not budge but on the table your opponents arm and hand will crack and breakdown as you use side pressure 😂💪🏻
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i think once u take a few days rest youll surpass 102. love ur videos bro love that you actually post struggle too not just clean lifts
Louie Simmons wrote: "The dynamic effort method was designed to be alternated with the maximum effort method for those who could not withstand two maximum effort workouts per week."
He and many of his athletes did just that because they simply did not have time to recover, even with all the necessary recovery tools.
Thanks for video Uncle Todd, you're incredibly strong 💪
There is a fact: the word cheating in its meaning means a violation of the rules. If in football a player scores a goal with his hand and the referee does not notice, then this is cheating. If the referee does not notice the violation and counts the goal, formally this does not change the fact that a violation of the rules occurred. The referee's decision remains in force, but the player's action itself can be considered unethical and violating the principles of fair play.
Are rules that are not enforced still rules or just manners?
@@toddhutchings906 In my opinion, even if rules are not followed or monitored, they still remain rules, since they formally exist within the framework of regulations or laws. This is like a traffic rule: if a driver runs a red light and does not receive a fine, this does not cancel the existence of the rule itself. There was still a violation, there was just no punishment.
Manners, unlike rules, are regulated by cultural norms and do not always have a strict obligation to comply or a clear punishment for their violation.
@@drkdrk7 If rules are not enforced those rules also then lack a strict obligation to follow and a clear punishment for violation.
@@toddhutchings906 I agree with you, Uncle Todd, rules can indeed lose their force if they are not followed and monitored. But I, as a common citizen, cannot avoid paying taxes and get away with it, as most of the "elite close to the emperor" do 😄
In a seminar ..you mentioned that,if we wanna increase our PR , do different styles side pressures (13 styles in 13 weeks)..
Please tell me what are your 13 variations ❤️
@@MR.Minimiltia mine change depending on opponent.
Simply put:
3 handles
2 table positions
Is 6 exercises.
If your handles allow 2 grips ( straps and multispinners)
You now have 12 exercises.
@@toddhutchings906 i got it. Thank a lot mr.todd ❤️ one of the great,honest pro armwrester ..
Any Given Sunday
You encourage me to train side pressure but my shoulder hurts
Hellooow Todd! Thanks for your video. Are you counting in LBS or KG's? (for my own understanding haha)
Pounds
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The main issue is that 90% of the people never read the rules. Somebody told them something and thats it. I even met the refs who didnt know the real rules.
21st of OCT, my Dad's birthday. You've uploaded now, feels like it's my birthday. 🎂
That thumbnail is everything! 😂
Hello Toddfather 👋🏻
it is NOT cheating if the refs allow it. History remembers winners, not how they won. i love your honorable samarai style as well though Mr. Hutchings!!! 💪🏻
History remembers Devon larrat by his wins, John brzenk by his winning style not for show
People remember Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela.
@@toddhutchings906 I thought we were talking about sports. people remember Lance Armstrong as a cheater, but we're talking about things that refs allow. for the most part in whatever sport someone likes, if their team or player wins the competition, they don't care if there was a little controversy. History is the same way. A little on down the line, people forget all about that stuff.
Very nice
@@toddhutchings906MLK was a fan of cheating... on his wife... a lot.
Uncle Todd might be 2 dimes short a dollar... 😊
Uncle Todd, when I do a lot of side pressure training my shoulders start to hurt. How do I get my shoulders to stop hurting so much?
You occasionally have to train your shoulders to get them to catch up to your arm.
Dumbells, high reps, swinging motions
Don’t keep doing the side pressure if your shoulders hurt. Don’t learn the hard way lol.
Do resistance band external rotation with 5 second pause and shoulder stability exercises. You have to keep your rotator cuffs strong, You don’t want to injure them, the shoulder is pretty complicated inside there.
Retract the shoulder Abit so it runs in the socket better and keep going till your dust
Hey Todd.
What benefits do this exercise give you at the table?
This would be a good exercise for people to improve their hook.
@@toddhutchings906 same as pronation side pressure, right? Or maybe pronated variation is better for hook? I'm interested in your opinion, because I do only pronation side pressure for hook
Because fully supinated hook is obviously a losing position, and it will be better if you save some pronation in a hook.
@@Тихон-ы7з shoulder roll and dragging hook are fully supinated
I didn't know you were supinating curious Uncle Todd, say it ain't so!
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I just realized that uncle todd is oldest strongest armwrestler 🙂
When is the match against Yoshi?
This Saturday, November 2.
Question 3, 7!
The secret number is how many times the cheater was pinned by Uncle Todd that were ignored by the referee
Cheater won that match
It was only first round
hello Told Hutchinx do you have a weight in kilograms or in feet on your tablet
I measure all weights in my gym in pounds
@@toddhutchings906 thanks for the answer♥️
Thanks Dad! Your son from Moldova
Movie was the wariors and for the cheating issue if the ref sees something and doesnt call it, its both cheating and a mistake from the ref
Uncle Todd!! Why do you choose not to press ever? Sometimes when i see you in a match in a winning position struggling to finish while having a nice lane to transition to a press but instead just finish with brutal side pressure. Why would one choose to complicate their life like that? Is it excellence you are striving for perhaps?
Pressing hurts my elbow
I'd say no, it's not cheating to do what the refs allow, but I might be yelling at the ref if they are being unfair with their leniency to the competitors. We have all seen some really loose matches that cause some contention down the road.
not cheating if it favors you, but cheating if it favors them. that is some yankee bs
Домкрат Тодд, здоровья тебе!
Also do you ever plan to have a match with cyplenkov John brzenk nugo petrenko david?
I’ve pulled John a few times
Dennis once
Nugo and Petrenko is up to Engin.
Sounds good
1. Yes (but victory is more important)
2. The Warriors (can you dig it?)
3. #7 (it's a good number)
That was fun Uncle Todd. Let's do more quiz questions soon. 😄👍
Next time you lose a match to an opponent who is equally strong, but whose elbow came half a meter from the pad, and the referee did not notice and gave him the victory - stick to your statement on the first point.
@@drkdrk7 You have a point there, but the fact is referees also make mistakes and without a video referee it might be impossible for them to do a perfect job.
so pull to side with flying elbow is more effective then press/ pull with elbow on static place? or you do that because its healthier for elbows?.... you are legend and same time future of armwrestling. Bards will sing about your fame.
Pull to side with flying elbow is side pressure.
I choose not to press.
Some folks trains with elbow static, there are even machines specifically for that. I don’t like it. It causes elbow pain.
and Ha Ha
225?
1. I would say no but my view is from a fan of the sport it seems everyone is trying to get as much of an advantage at the table with setup an what not so if the ref lets it go i would say no. it's kinda like football refs know what pass interference is but sometimes they let the receiver an db go at it an just play hard football.
2.The Warriors
3. answer is 7
What is victory versus excellence? Aren't they the same thing? How could excellence be anything else but the consistent attainment of victory?
One is solely dependent on outcome. The other is about process.
@@toddhutchings906 Interesting, thanks for the answer. My interpretation of that would be that excellence is a successful longterm strategy for victory. If excellence is about process, the question is what is process about? I would think the main point of a process in the context of sport is to attain victory consistently over time. But I appreciate that some victories that come at the cost of process may undermine long term success. A good analogy for me would be powerlifting form: I may beat a PR with bad form, but that will ultimately retard my overall progress, so good form is crucial to longterm success. Nevertheless, the principal point of good form is to lift the heaviest weight and attain victory (in the context of competition). But all this assumes that the main point of engaging in sport is attaining victory, and that is perhaps too simplistic.
@@criticalcog6363
People striving for victory argue with refs, stay in their weight class, have myriad excuses for their losses, avoid hard tournaments, stay in amateur classes forever.
People striving for excellence pull outside their weight class, are innovative in their training, pull the hardest tournaments, don’t fight the refs, don’t make excuses for their losses.
@@toddhutchings906 I think a fundamental issue here is that excellence is a subjective term (there can be varying ideas of excellence) whereas victory is objective (is the match called in your favor or not). However, I agree that quality and scope of competition definitely informs the value of victories (a world championship is obviously way better than an amateur match), so technically victory per se isn't enough. Maybe some amount of victory is a necessary condition of excellence, but is not sufficient by itself for excellence. I guess it depends on how you define excellence.
@@criticalcog6363
Striving for excellence is solely dependent on you
Victory is an outcome depending on others
A question for you, if the police don't see your speeding, is it still a crime?
Not the same.
Your question should be “ If the police see you speeding, is it still a crime?”
Hello uncle Todd, is it good for countering a toproll? Cause I've been doing it for quite some time now along with other supination, cupping, press, side pressure toproll etc. I've been copying/following yours lately
I believe Top Rolls beat hooks. A top roll counter would be another top roll, a press, high knuckle inverted wrist side pressure.
Real
Love you sir I train side pressure static I keep the rope straight to my arm and do side pressure is it correct Way I feel it's harder when I do side pressure with rope straight and apply pressure plz help
Sounds legit to me, if it works. How do you evaluate if it works?
@@toddhutchings906 yes sir I have improved but the thing is should I keep the gym pulley rope straight to my arm and practice side pressure or should I keep it little higher the rope. It's easier if I keep the rope angel higher and do side pressure but when I put it straight it's very tough but I think that's the right way for side pressure ❤
@@bomboclattttttttttttt
I would want the pulley high
@@toddhutchings906 but sir isn't it better to get stronger to have it straight and train side pressure ❤
@@bomboclattttttttttttt
I would put the pulley as high as possible. There is not many occasions in competition when the force is horizontal
Either 7 or 52
Hi sir Todd,How many set have you done that max side pressure??
I don’t understand.
Why dont you pull at 95? Its your walk-around weight
I have unfinished business here.
In ToddZilla we trust!!!💪💪💪
Hello Uncle!
すごいな。何歳ですか？34歳？
I was born 1966
Looking mad like nugo in that thumbnail! 😂
I’d say it is cheating, even if the ref doesn’t see it or allows it doesn’t mean the act is legal
Take cricket for example, they have all the tech in the world to see if someone is out or not, yet the umpires call still stands even if it’s wrong if the team is out of reviews. Intensely frustrating for the tv viewer to see one team getting away with something they shouldn’t because of a ref’s call
Is this the armwrestling version of "If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around, does it make a sound?"
If there are rules and the rules are broken, yes, it is cheating. Whether the refs call it or not, the objective fact remains.
Saying that, "Well, the refs didn't call it, so I didn't break the rules!" is a subjective interpretation of the objective reality. Otherwise, don't even bother with having rules.
If the rules are not enforced, are they rules.
The correct analogy would be
“If the lumberjacks saw a tree fall in the forest, but didn’t hear it, did it make a sound”?
@@toddhutchings906 If you are in a sport, you go to a rules meeting where the officials explain the rules to you and/or you are given a set of rules to learn and follow, and you the choose to compete in that sport, then the rules exist. How is this even a question?
If everyone chooses to ignore the rules, then you no longer have a sport. Just use two arms in your next match, as long as the refs don't call it, right?
@@Hotel8k3k
Do the rules exist if they are not enforced?
Your example misses the point. It’s not that all rules are not enforced ( 2 arms ) but some rules ( moving in ref grip )
@@toddhutchings906 It doesn't miss the point, you give an inch and some will take a mile. As long as the refs don't call it.
It is not if the rules exist, it is if they matter. Whatever. I am not an armwrestler. Have fun in your match.
this whole rules debate probably comes down to whether you think you are being judged by the invisible man in the sky or the referees. I'll just stick with the judgement of my friends & fam who will be high fiving me when i win 😆 Play hard & love harder! ♥️ I believe we are at an impass anyway and their will never be a resolution to the debate. that's all i got. i'm done with posting about the rules debate.
It wasn’t meant to be a debate. In the video I said the answer depends on whether you strive for victory or excellence.
That was what I’d hoped most replies would be.
@@toddhutchings906 for sure. you asked a legitimate question. I think I have watched too many podcasts on the subject this week. 😆
@@bradbutler That’s what led to the question 😂
Uncle Todd, Nugo said he has more sidepressure. Is he delusional?
He may be right.
Danadrol
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1) I just hate the shinegan before the start. I liked the WAL format for live TV
2) might be Moneyball
3) 23
Still Big Power ...
If the refs allow it it’s not cheating
Those 2x4s are asking to be stained!
It is cheating when you take full advantage of how much pressure the refs are under. The refs do not want to make someone lose to fouls because its not entertaining, and E vs W or kott might lose significant revenue. Its a dirty tactic but it works for Devon. And he keeps doing it because there is no accountability.
Todd ain’t losing to nugo if they get a match
1:17 9/11 ☠
WAL 501, Devon should've admitted that it was a pin, but he didn't! Bart failed to see it! Jen was too worked up to notice that! Was Devon cheating? NO! Devon was going for the win and you were going for the excellence!
this is more entertaining than devon melting down cause the legends don't respect him lately :))
Смотрю, но про судей немного не понял. Привет из России :)
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