Her behavior in general was sketchy. I immediately knew she and the cop were the killers, I thought the third one was a red herring, making him her brother was also lame. He should have remained a red herring that just leaves. This movie had potential and the weak writing for the three killers was a major letdown.
Ethan was a very reluctant Ghostface. This was cemented for me when Detective Bailey mentioned the connection that a man has to his **first** son. The dejected look on Ethan's face directly after that line was very telling. The poor boy is left feeling very second rate and forced to prove himself that he is just as worthy of their father's love as Richie was.
@@CommanderLex See, where I agree that Annika's death was brutal and violent, it's almost like as if you belive that it was totally Ethan's intent for her to not only actually fall off of the ladder, but also smash her head on the dumpster.
Besides that look, they did a horrible job building on that. However, I don't think Ethan gets credit for having some of Richie's mannerisms. That and the shirt is what gave him away imo.
It's getting really hard to truly subvert expectations these days. The only slasher I've seen recently that was truly amazing in its deftness of storytelling to pull of a major twist was Bodies, Bodies, Bodies and that's the kind of twist that can only be done once. I truly think Scream 7 would do better to completely upend the narrative and reveal one or more of its killers immediately (a trick 6 teased very briefly). To have the audience in on the "mystery" from the get-go would be a pretty great subversion and offer some new and interesting ways of telling a Scream story.
I don't think Ethan saving Mindy was that much of a dumb decision since he was in public and he probably assumed it would've looked suspicious if he was seen walking away from an injured passanger. Also in case Mindy survived (which she did), she would’ve absolutely called him out.
Honestly the weird thing with Detective Bailey is that he's so obviously suspicious that he doesn't FEEL like he would be the killer especially when Quinn "dies" like I actually didn't think it was him by act 3 because he seems so weirdly obvious
For me Quinn was the most obviously killer. Her dropped line about a brother dying was a dead give away. At least when Billy dropped the line about his mom it was in comparison to Sydney’s mom & did make Billy seem more like a dick. Then there was the brilliance of reusing that scene as a Stab scene in Scream 2 to foreshadow the Mrs Loomis reveal. That’s another thing that was missing from Scream 6
Agreed as soon as she said that I said why would we need to know that unless it is important to the ending then when they don't show her being killed it was more obvious she was a Ghostface
@@ZackCherry I didn’t suspect that. I actually thought her brother was going to be another victim, maybe Stu’s nephew from Part 5 and they wanted revenge for Ghostface starting in the first place. But that was also influenced by the “fuck the movies” line in the opener. I thought that statement was going to be their motive, almost like the opposite of Ritchie’s
that line does absolutely nothing to give the motive away. i didn't predict the motive until sam got that phone call from richie after that i knew it was the motive
I always felt Scream 6 should've added two or three more characters to the main crew. Quinn being "killed" automatically puts Ethan high up on the list.
I wish there was like 4 or 5 killers and one or 2 got away without being unmasked to carry onto scream 7 kinda leaving it on a cliff hanger. I thought the whole Richie family thing was shocking but then I was mad at myself for not seeing it when it’s literally scream 2 I should have stuck with my gut about it trying to copy the original trilogy.
Scream 6's big issue was not enough new characters who were fleshed out and not enough deaths. They had six returning characters and all of them survived, that has NEVER happened in a Scream film. Up until scream 4, a returning character died in each film. There was no risk in this film, thus putting the deaths on their friends, but Quinn "died" too early, Anika wasn't fleshed out, and Danny was never at any risk with his limited screen time.
I think they had enough characters, they just didn’t use them appropriately. They were also all crammed together in the same scenes. Separate them more, give their whereabouts a sense of mystery. The “rules” scene could have just been Mindy and Chad. Not everyone needed to be in the apartment during the attack, etc.
Honestly seeing how Scream V and VI were parallels to 1 and 2, with VI's killers being "family of killer from 1st in the trilogy" the same way that 2's killer was, I can't help but wonder if Scream 7 is going to reveal a villain who's "pulling the strings from the beginning" or "tied to the story at its core, or has relevance to all three movies based on a connection to the main character."
It would be cool if Scream 7 revealed Christina Carpenter to be an original accomplice to Billy (the Ghostface in the bathroom scene) and someone who introduced Richie and Amber (Richie on the phone call said that he met Christina in "group" never specifies which one and also met Amber in a Stab group). It would take a fair bit of development in film because she cut Sam off last film, but it would also be cool if her goal is just to get Sam to embrace her dark side by killing Tara, and if a second Ghostface is necessary, they could retcon that she planted Danny in Sam's life
I feel no one is really giving Danny enough credit for being consistent in his character. Like in Zack's very own video he says if a character (Like Ethan in the movie) was shifting constantly from positive to negative would be the killer except if it was to educate the MC or immediately proceeded by a funny moment. Danny only shifted from positive to negative when Anika died. And that was to educate Sam on not to trust anyone, including him and when Sam decided not to trust Danny, he accepted it instead of throwing some sort of fit. Also, it's a shame that they didn't kill Date Rape Franky. They could've added another body for the killers.
I wouldn’t say that Danny was ever negatively toned. He is affirming Sam’s need to be suspicious in that scene. It would be negative of him to tell her that her way of thinking is wrong.
@@ZackCherry Yeah, but in your last video, that was considered negative. But I do agree that it's not as negative as other things and Ethan. But I feel he doesn't get enough credit for accepting Sam not trusting him.
@@billy28061100 Clearly you didn't watch Zach's previous video about this. He's not consistent because 1 it only happened once in the movie unlike Ethan and 2 because him following up on the promise he said AND educated Sam doesn't make it negative.
Detective Bailey was so easy to figure out because he was a cop, him & Kirby would be the only ones who would have access to all the shrine stuff, then him suspecting Kirby for no reason also gave him away. The main reason for me was when he cried over Quinns "death" not a single tear came out that mans eye 😂 I was like "yeah, he the killer"😅
The shrine is not possible even as a cop. It's evidence from more places than one No police force with it in the evidence room, would never let them have it. And if it was stolen it would be obvious who it was because of cameras and identification stuff. They didn't run around collecting everything on the crime scene, just picking everything up or take stuff from the dead killers.
If it's the last one, I think there will be five. One will die halfway through and then it turns out there are four others that have to be dealt with at the end.
Imagine its Stu and we just have the hidden in plain sight again. It could also be Christina Carpenter. Her character type would be the confidant as she follows Tara and Sam for probably most of the movie. So we would look for a change of attitude towards them if she is a killer. Idk who else though would be a killer. Maybe Tara but a returning character has never been the killer. Tara would either be The Hero or The confidant most likely so it wouldn't be that hard to spot early on. I think we got it.
Yeah, Ethan was a bit of a cheat on the filmmakers' part. The protagonists forget about Ethan and Mindy, Ethan is seen *helping* Mindy get to a hospital.
@@ZackCherryEthan probably expected his dads plan to work so he monologued to Mindy and said that Bailey was his dad but let her think Quinn was still dead because he wanted to get there in time and not ‘waste’ his time talking about how Quinn’s alive
I’m so glad Zack’s channel exists because i’m such a Scream fan (specifically orig trilogy, and kind of 4) but it’s nice throughout the year we have new deep dives on the franchise that we can analyze and think about and discuss
Tbh Ethan was kinda obvious for me. When I saw him with the others at the bench, I was like “Yeah it’s totally Ethan”. And after Quinn supposedly “died” it could have either been him, Danny, or Bailey. Bailey just felt too suspicious to be the killer, and we already know that the Core 4 weren’t the killers. And given the trait, “every killers wears a plaid shirt” he was the only one wearing one. And since he’s a new character, that also gave me a reason to suspect him.
Something I thought was kind of a missed opportunity was that Ethan could've been revealed way earlier when Quinn stabbed Mindy on the train. I feel like it not only would've been creepier if he watched it happen and didn't do anything to stop it, but also taunted Mindy that she was right about his identity as a killer, maybe even shutting her eyes if she died. It would've not only subverted the formula, but it always would've been a great parallel to Randy's death in Scream 2. Hell, even if the writers wanted her to survive, she could've fought back and found a way to get to the theater to warn everyone. Maybe even make a joke out of it where she and Chad were on separate stretchers being carted to the hospital. I feel like Ethan saving her makes no sense considering how badly he wants to live up to the example that Richie set before him that his dad covets so much. Idk, wasted potential
SPOILERS I got wayne from the cast announcement and trailer, I got quinn from her dead brother speech. Tobe honest I completely forgot ethan was in it. Jason was a nice touch, seeing two ghostfaces fight was on my wishlist. 5 and 6 were easier to guess; the last time I was shocked by a gf reveal was jill roberts and that was 12 years ago. Prediction for 7 - a rehash of scream 3 with a previously unseen male relative. The killer is mr carpenter, Tara's biological father. First kill is Christina carpenter, the sisters mother. Motive is revenge on sam for destroying the family with her billy dad revelation. I hope I am wrong.
The moment I knew Bailey was the killer was when he told Sam and the group to take the subway and after seeing the scene in the trailer I knew he was the killer
Honestly I immediatly called Quinn and her father once she mentions her brother that died I didnt get Ethan because I thought he looked to much like Richie idk why I didnt put one and one together because it makes sense that he looks like Richie lol
Ethan being related was probably the biggest twist, since it wasn’t already established that he was their son/brother. But the explanation was kind of redundant after the mask came off.
These Ghostface and other character formula archetypes are very well researched and explained as always. This makes me so excited for Scream 7. I also hope the opening scene victim never becomes a Ghostface.
It could work if, like Tara, they survive the intro and the setting of the kill made their "performance" make sense (e.g. there are other witnesses around). But personally I think the murder-mystery aspect of Scream has become one of its most diminishing-returns features and would probably best be completely upended for 7.
The previous predictive killer video is one of my favorites and has made my more recent Scream marathons more interesting with a slightly different perspective. I was looking forward to this one for VI.
Ethan was easy because a distinguishable trait for killers are long "Disappearances" throughout the film so I knew he was in on it. Bailey the cop was also easy due to the fact that was the only way anyone could get police evidence from previous crimes. Quinn I didn't figure out until later until right before the reveal.
Bailey was the most obvious killer • Jason’s call sounded like an interrogation • he clears himself almost instantly when he’s not even a suspect • he glances at Sam when he says “you fuck with my family, you die” • when he told Sam about the mask with DNA from Richie yet doesn’t mention Amber (almost like he wanted to subtly say “remember Richie? He was my son”). • he’s the only one who knew about Sam’s appointment with Dr Stone
Ethan was incredibly obvious from the beginning and he was definitely at the top of my suspect list the whole time. Once the film played, it was even more obvious that it was him. Bailey also became extremely obvious even before the film dropped and once the film played, it became obvious it was him. Those were my predictions of who would be Ghostface prior to seeing the film (I didn't predict 3 killers). I think Quinn was less obvious but still kind of obvious because of the dead brother line and her getting "killed" off screen.
Loved this one. Totally forgot the other video so went back and watched that one too 😂 but I realise I’m subconsciously doing all this when I watch but it’s so cool to see it all put down!
Honestly the killers were fairly obvious in this movie. Not to mention I had an inkling it was going to be Richie’s family based off of Scream 2. It just made sense. Also didn’t Gale write a book about the events that took place in Scream 5? Sam and Tara are mad at her for that very reason.
To think, they could've kept Jason alive longer for the sake of allowing further attacks and murders to be unaccounted for the main killers. Jason could take Ethan's killer spot as a killer and give more mystery between the characters or improve baileys motive of his relationship with his first son. It could allow for the actions and character dynamics to be more broad. Biggest issue with the movie was limited character development, it was either "core four" and "killers" the rest was all window dressing. Having two ghostface killer networks unrelated to each other could be a real breath of fresh air for the franchise and they blew it, although that would involve the writers to put some effort in. Such a shoulda woulda coulda situation. Can they take a couple years to flesh out a logical, coherent story rather than appealing to fan service? Alternatively they could just get you to write the script Zach. It's starting to look embarrassing that your knowledge of scream exceeds the people supposedly revitalising it, only time will tell.
How amazing would it have been if Jason killed for the first half of the movie (with all clues pointing towards him), only to get killed off and then the pattern of the killers completely changing? That seems like a much better misdirect than a poorly staged fake killing off screen.
So great. Only issue I could see from this is that it gives Sam even more agency towards the outcomes of situations. While not as offensive as Scream 5, the circumstances that allow the killer to succeed in their plan would feel increasingly contrived (maybe just poor writing, again) They couldn't control the situation with one group of people to worry about, having a secondary threat (an active murderer) might really bend logical/physical limitations of the primary ghostfaces. Would've loved to see the chaos that could've come from this though, Quinn looks like she would be great at improvising this (I'm getting this just from her behaviour post reveal so its a bit of a stretch)
What Scream 6 did was they didn’t do the suspect thing like they usually do. Only Ethan and Danny were treated as suspects in the movie. Not counting Kirby at the end. Usually in Scream movies as the randy saying goes “everyone is a suspect’, Scream 2 went with the suspect thing the most because Dewey, Randy and Gale were looking at absolutely everyone as a suspect. Scream 5 also went heavy with the suspect thing, with everyone thinking they’re the killer. But the problem in Scream 5 was Ritchie and Amber looked the most sus, so for them to be the killers was a horrible idea.
love this!! I watched your previous video right before the premiere and was so proud of myself that i guessed 2/3 killers (didn’t expect 3 killers & thought ethan was too much of a red herring). in scream 7, it would be cool to see them assume that the killer is a mastermind/relative due to scream 3 but end up being totally wrong. I feel like that would take advantage of having the movie expert alive in the third film of the trilogy (mindy as opposed to randy) and would be kind of a meta commentary on fan expectations as well. just an idea
If quinn fake out death would been saved. Like at least probably still in act 2 but later on. I feel like it would been better developing her character bit more. Maybe her being in the living room with sam before her fake out death would been better instead of being in her room one second then she end up " dying "
I like to believe that Ethan only helped Mindy because he thought that Quinn stabbed her enough to where she was already beyond any actual saving and that she would doe possibly on the way to the hospital.
I have a suggestion…I don’t know if you have heard but there are what’s called conspiracy icebergs. They are basically a chart that can be about any topic and it starts at the tip top of the iceberg with things that are the most widely known about that topic and it goes all the way to the bottom where they talk about the most obscure things about that topic. I saw a video on here from a guy named willysaintwilly who talks about a scream iceberg. I think it would be cool for you to give your thoughts on that.
If you want to figure out who at least one ghostface is in the movie listen when ghostface takes a hit the killers grunt is the actual actor I noticed it rewatching the series. It's really obvious in scream 1 because matthew lillard has a distinctive voice.
I know I'm 3 months late lol but I just wanna say I love your videos. I don't normally comment on TH-cam videos but like I find your videos so fascinating. You clearly put so much effort into your videos. I'm glad I found your channel!!
Always love these deep dive videos! I think the issue still remains for a lot of new cast of being underwritten due to not knowing enough they linger between two archetypes a bit. For ex Ethan plays Devils Advocate while also being apathetic friend. Subtle Comic relief: Tissues/Cheetos... Negative Tone: Online Theory of Sam being GhostFace. However never really comes off as Unsympathetic/ reckless.
Definitely underwritten for most of them, but I don’t get apathetic friend from Ethan. He would be way too blasé about the murders, or at least be shown to not have a strong opinion about things either way.
Hayden Panttiere was born 4 years after me so that means she is 34, after you get into your mid 30’s and late 30’s you definitely change the most I feel like. Because around that time you’ve lived the fun life but you have to take things more seriously for your life. I was looking at pictures from my 20’s and I had a crazy party life for years and I wouldn’t trade it for the world especially growing up in the 90’s. So I’m glad to have lived during the last great decade and wouldn’t trade it for all the technology of modern day and the internet. It was just fine growing up with it advancing and having it as early as 1993…so I grew up with the huge changes. People that remember the world before computers took such a necessity and having to carry one with you.
Okay so a little off topic but this list made me think of Sidney, and how she could be back for Scream VII, and given Evil Dead Rise focuses on a mum and kids (and those themes of motherhood also popping up in M3GAN) that kind of plays up to bringing in Sidney and her family
The bodega scene in the trailer and the announcement that Mulroney was cast as a cop put him on my suspect list immediately; no one else was gonna be able to rock a shotgun like that. The other 2 I honestly just didn't even care enough about to consider, LOL
From scream 3 onward I have guessed all the killers right on my first watch through. I was 6 and 7 when scream 1 and 2 came out and they were the first horror movies I was allowed to watch ( but definitely saw it when I was 4 with my cousin). But yea, the scream movies are my comfort movies and I love them. And guessing the killers is always the best part on a first watch.
I knew Quinn was the killer when we never saw her die. Ethan had killer printed all over his forehead. Detective Bailey with Quinn's fake out. The mystery in scream & scream 2 worked well, the rest were predicable like Jill.
One thing I never got is when Detective Bailey told Sam that Kirby had been fired from the FBI, was that true, or was it just a ruse to throw the group off?
Obviously it was a lie but as soon as he said that I knew he was a Ghostface because Kirby a returning character and if that lie were true they would not just reveal it by phone they would wait to shock us at the end when she's unmasked .
I'm all for subverting the formula in small ways. Following Jason at the beginning was a good example. A bad example would be having an opening kill victim pop back up as a killer. Another bad example would be turning a hero into a villain. 👀 I'm looking at you, Radio Silence. Don't do it. 😂😂😂 But yeah, as far as figuring out the killers, this one was pretty easy. As much as I love the returning characters, there are just too many now. 😂😂 I mean, by my count, we had 2 pretty solid suspects and 2 maybe suspects by the time Gail was attacked. In my mind, anyway. Well, even then, one of the maybe suspects was off my list by that point because of what he did at the beginning of the ladder scene.
I wish radio silence would just put in more logic on their killings and more emphasis on the mystery. The great part of scream is how grounded it is as well as the possibility of genuinely being surprised. This movie felt like a Scooby-Doo doo level mystery with k8lls albeit cool that were just not realistic. How is anaka going to get her guts spilling out and crawl a ladder over an apartment complex gap. How did Chad survive this time. Why couldn't they have timed the kill with the subway door opening and have Ethan be rushed out of the subway car before he could get to her. A scene where Bailey and Quinn mourn Richie death with the main cadt but only refer to him under nickname. Maybe introducing Bailey before the main ghostfaces start attacking to establish a worming trust with Bailey. Have Bailey be the one to put doubt on Danny for Sam. He's a cop so him finding out about the affair should be easy. He is Quinn father and could play up over a protective dad roll here. We could have had a cop partner here as well for an easy kill and comic relief. We could have used this character to try to ease tension between Kirby and Bailey only to be the catalyst between their civil war after their death. My biggest issue with this film is simply, how did Bailey get this case. How do the cops and fbi not know his background. That's just unbelievable to do in such a short amount of time between the 5 and 6.
I actually predicted who one of the killer was, as soon as they announced the persons casting. DERMOT MULRONEY. I knew as soon as he was announced he was one of the killers when stuff started leaking online, I felt it had a Scream 2 vibe about it. Scream 5. The killers were similar to the original Scream. The boyfriend and friend. Scream 2 the killer in Scream 1 mum. Scream 6. The killer in Scream 5 dad. So in Scream 7. It will be someone who has a family link to the,2 sisters. My miner is on Billy had another child and they will be the killer in Scream 7.
I did the same thing! But my way to find out how to easily tell is that the killers all break the rules that are given to us on how to survive since they think they'll get away with it they break every rule since it does not pertain to them
Love your videos. One piece of unsolicited constructive feedback: I often feel like your videos end abruptly. Would you ever consider adding a conclusion? It would be a good time to repeat your thesis statement or final word.
That’s a TH-cam strategy. Retention rates drop when you have too much fluff at the end. So it’s better to make your point and close out fast, as most viewers are ready to click off which means that there could be several minutes of unseen video that hurts the overall retention. Higher retention means more views.
Yeah, and the fake out kills don't even work anymore since they do it in every movie. When they "killed" the girl, I was like, "Cool, so that's the killer fake out death."
Yes, they ruined the killers and motive with obvious lines and motives The police have every evidence, uses them and ruins the reveal Really lazy writing. The reveal ruins so much of the movie. Theatrical and to much eyebrows from a guy who never show a thing
Ik I’m late to this video but I see a lot of people saying Quinn was the most obvious killer. But then there is me who was absolutely gobsmacked to find out she didn’t actually die- 😅😅
I had quite a few issues with the reveal in this movie and what it reflected of the earlier plot points, but Ethan actually SAVING Mindy is ABSOLUTELY unnexplainable! Hate it!!! And the fact Bailey uses his "father" credentials for easy access to Quinn's alleged crime scene is absolutely preposterous, it it would ACTUALLY prohibit him more than anyone else to reach the scene!
After rewatching this video so many times, I think I can say that for those who keep saying that Ethan Landry is a red herring, then your wrong because Zack said that the red herring always has a negative tone, while he clearly mentioned that Ethan has an inconsistent tone in the film, because in the First Act, he had a positive tone in the party and as the movie progressed, he switched to a negative tone, therefore, he didn't have a completely negative tone throughout the whole movie, so he can't be a red herring.
Zach, can u make a video of the franchise’ timeline from past to present? I want to know at what age did the core 4 experienced the events of scream 1-4 plz!
The best killer reveals are when it's a character that is in most of the movie. Mrs. Loomis and Jill have arguably the best reveals. Although Scream 6 is a super fun watch, the killers are stupid easy to figure out. If you die offscreen you're the killer, Bailey is way too suspicious of Kirby and yeah he doesn't grieve much for his "dead" daughter, and the third killer is basically told to us by every other character that he is the killer it's almost too in your face. Hopefully Scream 7 has a better mystery to it. The opening victim being the killer would be a really bad idea I feel. The only decent way would be if the first victim is a returning character, so their death would have impact throughout the film only to have some puzzle pieces in the end add up to them faking their death and being the killer.
Agree that Ethan was horribly underwritten! I also can't take how damn hammy Dermot Mulroney played Wayne Bailey. It made the movie, especially the third act even less effective. (My two cents, YMMV, etc)
yeah Mulroney felt like a sitcom dad, so hard to take seriously. It might as well have been Tim Allen doing his Home Improvement grunts as he unmasked himself.
I guessed Ethan and Quinn on my first watch as Ethan seemed super naive, and I thought that he was just acting. Quinn was just kind of a guess because Anika seemed too nice, and I didn't really factor in anyone else.
Interesting. I have a few observations. 1) Tara is probably the only red-herring (and a pretty convincing one considering they've pretty much been building her up as a "returning killer" since her second scene in Scream 5). She kinda swaps between the "red herring" and "confidante" roles. Is it fair to call a character a red herring because they were hinted at as a future killer (repeatedly) in the previous movie? Possibly not... but I thought it was her for a good half of the movie (I didn't see any of the marketing, so the stuff people seemed to pick up on about Detective Bailey passed me by, at least early on.) 2) I wouldn't rule someone out because of positive musical scores. I remember the main killers of Screams 4 and 5 having some pretty positive musical themes too. 3) Totally agree about Quinn. Ironically I didn't think it was her for most of the movie because, again, I didn't pick up on Bailey until some time through the movie (I really think the marketing gave away waaay too much here) and by that time Quinn appeared to already be dead.
Tara is definitely not a red herring. The only reason she’s ever made to look suspicious is due to Richie’s comment after Amber reveals herself. That just makes him negatively toned. As for the music, it’s usually neutral unless it’s a major returning character coming into the movie. But Billy had several negatively toned musical cues in the original.
@@ZackCherry You don't think the parallels between Tara in the opening scene of S6 and Amber in S5 make Tara look suspicious at all? I think it's significant that there's no sign of Sam in that opening. Why specifically set it up that Sam isn't there, if not to draw suspicion on Tara? The movie specifically gives Tara a motive for the opening murder. And it does it in the opening scene. I do agree about the lack of "negative toning" on Tara. But here's the thing... I won't go through the dozens of hints that Tara is being set up as a future killer, because c'mon. (If the emphasis on Sam handing Tara the knife isn't a clear hint as to what's coming then I don't know what is.) But it does feel like they're going to do a parallel to Roman and make the half-sibling the killer in the third movie of the "new" series. I agree that, beyond the opening, there isn't much pointing to her as the killer in the second, even if they do drop a lot of hints that there might be more to her character in the future. I also don't disagree about the negative musical tones (although Billy was specifically set up as a false "red herring" so you'd expect some with him specifically. But again, there are other killers who aren't portrayed the same way who get the same treatment.) I've never agreed with Mrs Loomis' characterisation as a "wild card" by the way. The genius of Debbie Salt is that she appears specifically to be in the movie to faciliate Gale's character arc and redemption. She's literally giving Gale a taste of her own medicine, thereby making her examine her own actions and the effect they have on her friends. As she's got such a clearly-defined relationship with one of the main protagonists I'd say she slots comfortably into "Devil's Advocate".
I just don’t really see these clues you’re talking about with Tara in either 5 or 6. Unless she has a major 180 in the next movie, it will be a very unsatisfying killer reveal for her. As for Mrs. Loomis, she’s H.I.P.S. It’s not a defined enough relationship that she has with Gale that she would be D.A. Her cover places her at Windsor because she’s press who is reporting on the murders. That’s the thing that defines her character. If she were D.A. she would have a clear agenda with/against Gale (like Jennifer and Judy do) and we would at least have an idea of who she is personally. She’s also got like 2 minutes of screen time prior to her reveal. Trust me. I invented this 💁♂️
@@ZackCherry See, I love these kinds of debates. To me, Mrs Loomis at least has a relationship to anyone in the main cast, which is more than Mickey does (they cut out the scenes of him being Syd's roommate, and nobody seems to bother about him when he literally disappears for half the movie. Also he looks at least 10 years older than anybody else. Who even IS this guy? What's he doing there?) "Debbie Salt" has a very well-defined professional rivalry with Gail that's part hero-worship, part envy. Yes, it's her cover, but it also gives her a chance to have some great moments (I love when she comes up to Gail after Randy's murder and is like "How does it feel to know there's someone out there, waiting, watching your every move?") It's less the amount of time she has, more the quality of its use. As for the hints to Tara... - There's Richie straight-up accusing her (which is something Scream does a lot - they have someone say something that they think is untrue, but then turns out to be correct later on - for example Syd distracting Mrs Loomis with "Isn't Mickey supposed to be dead?" two minutes before Mickey leaps up like a diving salmon.) Overtly this moment was just put in to set up the "I guess you're not as convincing as you thought" moment later on, but this is a Scream movie. D'you think that's all there is to it? - There's Sam handing Tara Billy's knife. Not exactly subtle symbolism there. - There's Tara's approval of Sam's stabbing, which goes a little beyond sisterly affection. And her almost euphoric reaction to stabbing Ethan through the mouth. - Talking of sisterly affection... Tara's attitude to Sam is really inconsistent throughout both Screams 5 and 6. To the point where it can't be explained by character growth. - Again, there's LOTS of parallels to the previous killers (in particular Amber in Scream 6, but there are a couple of subtle callbacks to Charlie and especially Jill in some of Tara / Sam's interactions as well). - And finally, if we're talking about Screams 5, 6 and 7 mirroring 1, 2 and 3... 1 is the love-interest, 2 is the vengeful parent, and 3 is the half-sibling... I'm sure I've missed out a few here. I know there were some more subtle callbacks I picked up on in Scream 5 that I couldn't remember now. Let's just say that I think they've set up Tara as a possible killer in Scream 7, and honestly I hope they run with it. It would be lame if we have so many returnees in the franchise now, and none of them ends up as a killer.
once they killed Quinn offscreen I was like wait
For real. But that probably means that either her dad or brother were in the next room while she's screwing that dude from the tub. Gross
That was how i guessed it too it made no sense that they wouldnt show the body physically for such a new fun quirky character
HOW TO FIGURE OUT THE KILLERS IN SCREAM VI
Her behavior in general was sketchy. I immediately knew she and the cop were the killers, I thought the third one was a red herring, making him her brother was also lame. He should have remained a red herring that just leaves. This movie had potential and the weak writing for the three killers was a major letdown.
Right before Quinn’s reveal, but after Bailey’s, we had someone on opening night in the theatre say out loud “Why would he kill his daughter?!”
Ethan was a very reluctant Ghostface. This was cemented for me when Detective Bailey mentioned the connection that a man has to his **first** son. The dejected look on Ethan's face directly after that line was very telling. The poor boy is left feeling very second rate and forced to prove himself that he is just as worthy of their father's love as Richie was.
Hard calling him "reluctant" imo when him killing Annika is one of most violent and gruesome deaths in the entire franchise
Reluctant definitely isn't the word, more like overly interested for the sake of winning his father's love.
@@CommanderLex See, where I agree that Annika's death was brutal and violent, it's almost like as if you belive that it was totally Ethan's intent for her to not only actually fall off of the ladder, but also smash her head on the dumpster.
Besides that look, they did a horrible job building on that. However, I don't think Ethan gets credit for having some of Richie's mannerisms. That and the shirt is what gave him away imo.
@@Nascarthelastcornerbender Finally someone points it out lol
I really hope the writers for Scream 7 watch these types of videos so they can subvert our expectations.
ill always prefer someone telling a good story that can be guessed than telling a lesser one just for the sake of being subversive.
It's getting really hard to truly subvert expectations these days. The only slasher I've seen recently that was truly amazing in its deftness of storytelling to pull of a major twist was Bodies, Bodies, Bodies and that's the kind of twist that can only be done once.
I truly think Scream 7 would do better to completely upend the narrative and reveal one or more of its killers immediately (a trick 6 teased very briefly). To have the audience in on the "mystery" from the get-go would be a pretty great subversion and offer some new and interesting ways of telling a Scream story.
I don't think Ethan saving Mindy was that much of a dumb decision since he was in public and he probably assumed it would've looked suspicious if he was seen walking away from an injured passanger. Also in case Mindy survived (which she did), she would’ve absolutely called him out.
Would have made a great reveal scene
The thing is, people right next to Mindy also walked away. Ethan is the only one in the train who helped so it wouldn't be suspicious if he didn't.
Honestly the weird thing with Detective Bailey is that he's so obviously suspicious that he doesn't FEEL like he would be the killer especially when Quinn "dies" like I actually didn't think it was him by act 3 because he seems so weirdly obvious
True. It would have been a better twist if he wasn’t the killer, and was instead shocked to see that Quinn was, and had faked her death.
For me Quinn was the most obviously killer. Her dropped line about a brother dying was a dead give away. At least when Billy dropped the line about his mom it was in comparison to Sydney’s mom & did make Billy seem more like a dick. Then there was the brilliance of reusing that scene as a Stab scene in Scream 2 to foreshadow the Mrs Loomis reveal. That’s another thing that was missing from Scream 6
Agreed as soon as she said that I said why would we need to know that unless it is important to the ending then when they don't show her being killed it was more obvious she was a Ghostface
Unfortunately, that line also made it obvious that her brother was Richie and I knew the motive for the rest of the movie.
@@ZackCherry I didn’t suspect that. I actually thought her brother was going to be another victim, maybe Stu’s nephew from Part 5 and they wanted revenge for Ghostface starting in the first place. But that was also influenced by the “fuck the movies” line in the opener. I thought that statement was going to be their motive, almost like the opposite of Ritchie’s
@@ZackCherryEveryone i know who saw the film said it was obvious it was that way.
Killer and motive.
that line does absolutely nothing to give the motive away. i didn't predict the motive until sam got that phone call from richie after that i knew it was the motive
I always felt Scream 6 should've added two or three more characters to the main crew. Quinn being "killed" automatically puts Ethan high up on the list.
Agreed, I was just thinking the whole time that the main cast was so bloated with returning characters that I was left with almost no actual suspects.
I wish there was like 4 or 5 killers and one or 2 got away without being unmasked to carry onto scream 7 kinda leaving it on a cliff hanger. I thought the whole Richie family thing was shocking but then I was mad at myself for not seeing it when it’s literally scream 2 I should have stuck with my gut about it trying to copy the original trilogy.
Scream 6's big issue was not enough new characters who were fleshed out and not enough deaths. They had six returning characters and all of them survived, that has NEVER happened in a Scream film. Up until scream 4, a returning character died in each film. There was no risk in this film, thus putting the deaths on their friends, but Quinn "died" too early, Anika wasn't fleshed out, and Danny was never at any risk with his limited screen time.
I think they had enough characters, they just didn’t use them appropriately. They were also all crammed together in the same scenes. Separate them more, give their whereabouts a sense of mystery. The “rules” scene could have just been Mindy and Chad. Not everyone needed to be in the apartment during the attack, etc.
@@ZackCherry The rules scene definitely should've been like Randy and Dewey in 2.
Honestly seeing how Scream V and VI were parallels to 1 and 2, with VI's killers being "family of killer from 1st in the trilogy" the same way that 2's killer was, I can't help but wonder if Scream 7 is going to reveal a villain who's "pulling the strings from the beginning" or "tied to the story at its core, or has relevance to all three movies based on a connection to the main character."
It would be cool if Scream 7 revealed Christina Carpenter to be an original accomplice to Billy (the Ghostface in the bathroom scene) and someone who introduced Richie and Amber (Richie on the phone call said that he met Christina in "group" never specifies which one and also met Amber in a Stab group). It would take a fair bit of development in film because she cut Sam off last film, but it would also be cool if her goal is just to get Sam to embrace her dark side by killing Tara, and if a second Ghostface is necessary, they could retcon that she planted Danny in Sam's life
It's gonna be Stu isn't it?
@@ArthurSanford3706 It better be Stu
@@zedorian6547it better not be tf LMAO
@@josephgibson5902richie was obviously lying when he said that.... 💀💀💀💀
I feel no one is really giving Danny enough credit for being consistent in his character. Like in Zack's very own video he says if a character (Like Ethan in the movie) was shifting constantly from positive to negative would be the killer except if it was to educate the MC or immediately proceeded by a funny moment. Danny only shifted from positive to negative when Anika died. And that was to educate Sam on not to trust anyone, including him and when Sam decided not to trust Danny, he accepted it instead of throwing some sort of fit. Also, it's a shame that they didn't kill Date Rape Franky. They could've added another body for the killers.
I wouldn’t say that Danny was ever negatively toned. He is affirming Sam’s need to be suspicious in that scene. It would be negative of him to tell her that her way of thinking is wrong.
@@ZackCherry Yeah, but in your last video, that was considered negative. But I do agree that it's not as negative as other things and Ethan. But I feel he doesn't get enough credit for accepting Sam not trusting him.
how you gonna name an example of him not being consistent and then in the same breath say "he was consistent" 💀💀💀💀
@@billy28061100 Clearly you didn't watch Zach's previous video about this. He's not consistent because 1 it only happened once in the movie unlike Ethan and 2 because him following up on the promise he said AND educated Sam doesn't make it negative.
biggest complaint with this movie is that basically nobody dies. just hand-waved to recovery at the end
Detective Bailey was so easy to figure out because he was a cop, him & Kirby would be the only ones who would have access to all the shrine stuff, then him suspecting Kirby for no reason also gave him away. The main reason for me was when he cried over Quinns "death" not a single tear came out that mans eye 😂 I was like "yeah, he the killer"😅
The shrine is not possible even as a cop.
It's evidence from more places than one
No police force with it in the evidence room, would never let them have it.
And if it was stolen it would be obvious who it was because of cameras and identification stuff.
They didn't run around collecting everything on the crime scene, just picking everything up or take stuff from the dead killers.
Okay I watched this, I’m ready to catch the killers in Scream 7! I’m READY 🎉
Might be one killer again if the continue following their trend of mirroring the original trilogy..
@@StonayBalognaLet's just call it modern day cash grabbing.
If it's the last one, I think there will be five. One will die halfway through and then it turns out there are four others that have to be dealt with at the end.
Imagine its Stu and we just have the hidden in plain sight again. It could also be Christina Carpenter. Her character type would be the confidant as she follows Tara and Sam for probably most of the movie. So we would look for a change of attitude towards them if she is a killer. Idk who else though would be a killer. Maybe Tara but a returning character has never been the killer. Tara would either be The Hero or The confidant most likely so it wouldn't be that hard to spot early on. I think we got it.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah, Ethan was a bit of a cheat on the filmmakers' part. The protagonists forget about Ethan and Mindy, Ethan is seen *helping* Mindy get to a hospital.
I just wanna know how Mindy figured out it was Ethan and Bailey.
@@ZackCherryEthan probably expected his dads plan to work so he monologued to Mindy and said that Bailey was his dad but let her think Quinn was still dead because he wanted to get there in time and not ‘waste’ his time talking about how Quinn’s alive
there's just not that many new characters in Scream VI, so it's easy to figure out who actually the killers is.
There is a proportionate amount of new and old characters, but it more so comes down to not using the new characters to their full potential.
I’m so glad Zack’s channel exists because i’m such a Scream fan (specifically orig trilogy, and kind of 4) but it’s nice throughout the year we have new deep dives on the franchise that we can analyze and think about and discuss
Tbh Ethan was kinda obvious for me. When I saw him with the others at the bench, I was like “Yeah it’s totally Ethan”. And after Quinn supposedly “died” it could have either been him, Danny, or Bailey. Bailey just felt too suspicious to be the killer, and we already know that the Core 4 weren’t the killers. And given the trait, “every killers wears a plaid shirt” he was the only one wearing one. And since he’s a new character, that also gave me a reason to suspect him.
Something I thought was kind of a missed opportunity was that Ethan could've been revealed way earlier when Quinn stabbed Mindy on the train. I feel like it not only would've been creepier if he watched it happen and didn't do anything to stop it, but also taunted Mindy that she was right about his identity as a killer, maybe even shutting her eyes if she died. It would've not only subverted the formula, but it always would've been a great parallel to Randy's death in Scream 2.
Hell, even if the writers wanted her to survive, she could've fought back and found a way to get to the theater to warn everyone. Maybe even make a joke out of it where she and Chad were on separate stretchers being carted to the hospital. I feel like Ethan saving her makes no sense considering how badly he wants to live up to the example that Richie set before him that his dad covets so much.
Idk, wasted potential
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I got wayne from the cast announcement and trailer, I got quinn from her dead brother speech. Tobe honest I completely forgot ethan was in it. Jason was a nice touch, seeing two ghostfaces fight was on my wishlist. 5 and 6 were easier to guess; the last time I was shocked by a gf reveal was jill roberts and that was 12 years ago. Prediction for 7 - a rehash of scream 3 with a previously unseen male relative. The killer is mr carpenter, Tara's biological father. First kill is Christina carpenter, the sisters mother. Motive is revenge on sam for destroying the family with her billy dad revelation. I hope I am wrong.
Would've loved to see the revealed Ghostface to put up a fight, but oh well.
He wasent a ghost face and he was a dweeb. He didn't put up a fight he got slaughterd by the real ghost face of the film!
When Jack Quaid and Dermot Mulroney were announced as cast members for 5 and 6 I immediately thought they would be the killer
I hope the director secretly watches these videos and uses them to subvert our expectations.
The moment I knew Bailey was the killer was when he told Sam and the group to take the subway and after seeing the scene in the trailer I knew he was the killer
One thing I still wonder about Scream 6 is… Why did Danny have a ladder readily available? Obviously he wasn’t a killer, but that’s weird AF.
I mean it is wise to keep ladders around tbh in case of emergencies.
coulda been a construction worker 😂
He used it to climb into Sams bedroom without anyone noticing. 😉
@@wesstewart2677 true, especially if you live on the upper floors of a building. helpful in case of fire.
He had a ladder because he lives in New York.
I think Sam saved Danny's life, so i'm hoping we get to see more of their relationship in Scream 7
Yes, it was a good decision to let him not go in with them.
Probably gonna die if he went in.
Honestly I immediatly called Quinn and her father once she mentions her brother that died I didnt get Ethan because I thought he looked to much like Richie idk why I didnt put one and one together because it makes sense that he looks like Richie lol
Ethan being related was probably the biggest twist, since it wasn’t already established that he was their son/brother. But the explanation was kind of redundant after the mask came off.
How do you keep coming up with fun Scream content?? You’ve turned me into an addict 😂
These Ghostface and other character formula archetypes are very well researched and explained as always. This makes me so excited for Scream 7. I also hope the opening scene victim never becomes a Ghostface.
It could work if, like Tara, they survive the intro and the setting of the kill made their "performance" make sense (e.g. there are other witnesses around). But personally I think the murder-mystery aspect of Scream has become one of its most diminishing-returns features and would probably best be completely upended for 7.
The previous predictive killer video is one of my favorites and has made my more recent Scream marathons more interesting with a slightly different perspective. I was looking forward to this one for VI.
Zack, you are wearing a blue plaid shirt. Should we suspect you? LOL
Ethan was easy because a distinguishable trait for killers are long "Disappearances" throughout the film so I knew he was in on it. Bailey the cop was also easy due to the fact that was the only way anyone could get police evidence from previous crimes. Quinn I didn't figure out until later until right before the reveal.
i found bailey pretty sus after the apartment attack when he tells sam that anyone who fucks with his family dies
Bailey was the most obvious killer
• Jason’s call sounded like an interrogation
• he clears himself almost instantly when he’s not even a suspect
• he glances at Sam when he says “you fuck with my family, you die”
• when he told Sam about the mask with DNA from Richie yet doesn’t mention Amber (almost like he wanted to subtly say “remember Richie? He was my son”).
• he’s the only one who knew about Sam’s appointment with Dr Stone
Ethan was incredibly obvious from the beginning and he was definitely at the top of my suspect list the whole time. Once the film played, it was even more obvious that it was him. Bailey also became extremely obvious even before the film dropped and once the film played, it became obvious it was him. Those were my predictions of who would be Ghostface prior to seeing the film (I didn't predict 3 killers). I think Quinn was less obvious but still kind of obvious because of the dead brother line and her getting "killed" off screen.
You got the Richie cosplay down!!!
Loved this one. Totally forgot the other video so went back and watched that one too 😂 but I realise I’m subconsciously doing all this when I watch but it’s so cool to see it all put down!
Appreciate you and all your hard work. We know it’s been stressful but we love your videos! Thanks for another BANGER!
Honestly the killers were fairly obvious in this movie. Not to mention I had an inkling it was going to be Richie’s family based off of Scream 2. It just made sense. Also didn’t Gale write a book about the events that took place in Scream 5? Sam and Tara are mad at her for that very reason.
Yeah I had a big filling that the bad guys wanted revenge
To think, they could've kept Jason alive longer for the sake of allowing further attacks and murders to be unaccounted for the main killers. Jason could take Ethan's killer spot as a killer and give more mystery between the characters or improve baileys motive of his relationship with his first son. It could allow for the actions and character dynamics to be more broad. Biggest issue with the movie was limited character development, it was either "core four" and "killers" the rest was all window dressing. Having two ghostface killer networks unrelated to each other could be a real breath of fresh air for the franchise and they blew it, although that would involve the writers to put some effort in. Such a shoulda woulda coulda situation. Can they take a couple years to flesh out a logical, coherent story rather than appealing to fan service? Alternatively they could just get you to write the script Zach. It's starting to look embarrassing that your knowledge of scream exceeds the people supposedly revitalising it, only time will tell.
How amazing would it have been if Jason killed for the first half of the movie (with all clues pointing towards him), only to get killed off and then the pattern of the killers completely changing? That seems like a much better misdirect than a poorly staged fake killing off screen.
So great. Only issue I could see from this is that it gives Sam even more agency towards the outcomes of situations. While not as offensive as Scream 5, the circumstances that allow the killer to succeed in their plan would feel increasingly contrived (maybe just poor writing, again) They couldn't control the situation with one group of people to worry about, having a secondary threat (an active murderer) might really bend logical/physical limitations of the primary ghostfaces. Would've loved to see the chaos that could've come from this though, Quinn looks like she would be great at improvising this (I'm getting this just from her behaviour post reveal so its a bit of a stretch)
i love these character type breakdown videos we need em for more movies in general 🔥
I'm here! Can't wait to see your new video.keep up the awesome work ❤❤❤
What Scream 6 did was they didn’t do the suspect thing like they usually do. Only Ethan and Danny were treated as suspects in the movie. Not counting Kirby at the end.
Usually in Scream movies as the randy saying goes “everyone is a suspect’, Scream 2 went with the suspect thing the most because Dewey, Randy and Gale were looking at absolutely everyone as a suspect.
Scream 5 also went heavy with the suspect thing, with everyone thinking they’re the killer. But the problem in Scream 5 was Ritchie and Amber looked the most sus, so for them to be the killers was a horrible idea.
Amazing video! Thanks Zack.
I saw the pod episode you did with Ryan it’s so impressive how much research you do into this
love this!! I watched your previous video right before the premiere and was so proud of myself that i guessed 2/3 killers (didn’t expect 3 killers & thought ethan was too much of a red herring).
in scream 7, it would be cool to see them assume that the killer is a mastermind/relative due to scream 3 but end up being totally wrong. I feel like that would take advantage of having the movie expert alive in the third film of the trilogy (mindy as opposed to randy) and would be kind of a meta commentary on fan expectations as well. just an idea
It was really easy in Scream 6
If quinn fake out death would been saved. Like at least probably still in act 2 but later on. I feel like it would been better developing her character bit more. Maybe her being in the living room with sam before her fake out death would been better instead of being in her room one second then she end up " dying "
I like to believe that Ethan only helped Mindy because he thought that Quinn stabbed her enough to where she was already beyond any actual saving and that she would doe possibly on the way to the hospital.
You mean Ethan?
@@INTJ91 "Ethan"!! Yes sorry. I'm terrible with names.
I have a suggestion…I don’t know if you have heard but there are what’s called conspiracy icebergs. They are basically a chart that can be about any topic and it starts at the tip top of the iceberg with things that are the most widely known about that topic and it goes all the way to the bottom where they talk about the most obscure things about that topic. I saw a video on here from a guy named willysaintwilly who talks about a scream iceberg. I think it would be cool for you to give your thoughts on that.
your video's are amazing i love your account
Can’t just drop a banger like this
If you want to figure out who at least one ghostface is in the movie listen when ghostface takes a hit the killers grunt is the actual actor I noticed it rewatching the series. It's really obvious in scream 1 because matthew lillard has a distinctive voice.
I know I'm 3 months late lol but I just wanna say I love your videos. I don't normally comment on TH-cam videos but like I find your videos so fascinating. You clearly put so much effort into your videos. I'm glad I found your channel!!
When can we expect the scream 6 who killed who?
when he uploads it.
@@Vizionariygee really
Go home Amber, we know it’s you outside.
@@champe0n61 Eww Amber
@@champe0n61 shit
Always love these deep dive videos!
I think the issue still remains for a lot of new cast of being underwritten due to not knowing enough they linger between two archetypes a bit.
For ex Ethan plays Devils Advocate while also being apathetic friend. Subtle Comic relief: Tissues/Cheetos... Negative Tone: Online Theory of Sam being GhostFace. However never really comes off as Unsympathetic/ reckless.
Definitely underwritten for most of them, but I don’t get apathetic friend from Ethan. He would be way too blasé about the murders, or at least be shown to not have a strong opinion about things either way.
Always get pumped when you post!
can you do a video ranking ghostface’s on who would win in a fight??? i wanna settle a debate
Hayden Panttiere was born 4 years after me so that means she is 34, after you get into your mid 30’s and late 30’s you definitely change the most I feel like. Because around that time you’ve lived the fun life but you have to take things more seriously for your life. I was looking at pictures from my 20’s and I had a crazy party life for years and I wouldn’t trade it for the world especially growing up in the 90’s. So I’m glad to have lived during the last great decade and wouldn’t trade it for all the technology of modern day and the internet. It was just fine growing up with it advancing and having it as early as 1993…so I grew up with the huge changes. People that remember the world before computers took such a necessity and having to carry one with you.
You are one of the best personalities on TH-cam. Just thought you should know!!!!
Thank you 🙏
Okay so a little off topic but this list made me think of Sidney, and how she could be back for Scream VII, and given Evil Dead Rise focuses on a mum and kids (and those themes of motherhood also popping up in M3GAN) that kind of plays up to bringing in Sidney and her family
The bodega scene in the trailer and the announcement that Mulroney was cast as a cop put him on my suspect list immediately; no one else was gonna be able to rock a shotgun like that.
The other 2 I honestly just didn't even care enough about to consider, LOL
You can usually get at least one of them by seeing which person has been gone the longest by the time of the reveal
I felt the killers were beyond weak in this one but at the same time it’s one of my fav screams easily top 3
From scream 3 onward I have guessed all the killers right on my first watch through.
I was 6 and 7 when scream 1 and 2 came out and they were the first horror movies I was allowed to watch ( but definitely saw it when I was 4 with my cousin). But yea, the scream movies are my comfort movies and I love them. And guessing the killers is always the best part on a first watch.
It’s why I go see these in the theaters when they come out just because they get spoiled too quickly with the internet.
Currently starting my bi-annual scream marathon so I'll be watching Scream 6 for the second time
Last scene in the 6 where she dropped the mask a song called still alive started playing and showed Billy’s mask?
I love your vids ❤
I knew Quinn was the killer when we never saw her die. Ethan had killer printed all over his forehead. Detective Bailey with Quinn's fake out. The mystery in scream & scream 2 worked well, the rest were predicable like Jill.
The fact that Detective Bailey came out of the apartment alone was telling enough for me
11:56 moment of appreciation
One thing I never got is when Detective Bailey told Sam that Kirby had been fired from the FBI, was that true, or was it just a ruse to throw the group off?
Obviously it was a lie but as soon as he said that I knew he was a Ghostface because Kirby a returning character and if that lie were true they would not just reveal it by phone they would wait to shock us at the end when she's unmasked .
It was more so another instance of cheating the audience. Something that Wes Craven, Kevin Williamson, and Ehren Kruger never did.
You gotta be kidding
Pls be serious
I'm all for subverting the formula in small ways. Following Jason at the beginning was a good example. A bad example would be having an opening kill victim pop back up as a killer. Another bad example would be turning a hero into a villain. 👀 I'm looking at you, Radio Silence. Don't do it. 😂😂😂
But yeah, as far as figuring out the killers, this one was pretty easy. As much as I love the returning characters, there are just too many now. 😂😂 I mean, by my count, we had 2 pretty solid suspects and 2 maybe suspects by the time Gail was attacked. In my mind, anyway. Well, even then, one of the maybe suspects was off my list by that point because of what he did at the beginning of the ladder scene.
I knew once again it was Ethan before the movie started 😂 was surprised when Quinn removed her mask though 😂
The eyebrow bouncing is legendary at this point
Kirby was edgy in her previous appearance. That’s a lot of why people liked her
Can’t wait for a Who Killed Who on this installment of Scream. Keep up the good work Zach❤
I wish radio silence would just put in more logic on their killings and more emphasis on the mystery. The great part of scream is how grounded it is as well as the possibility of genuinely being surprised. This movie felt like a Scooby-Doo doo level mystery with k8lls albeit cool that were just not realistic. How is anaka going to get her guts spilling out and crawl a ladder over an apartment complex gap. How did Chad survive this time. Why couldn't they have timed the kill with the subway door opening and have Ethan be rushed out of the subway car before he could get to her. A scene where Bailey and Quinn mourn Richie death with the main cadt but only refer to him under nickname. Maybe introducing Bailey before the main ghostfaces start attacking to establish a worming trust with Bailey. Have Bailey be the one to put doubt on Danny for Sam. He's a cop so him finding out about the affair should be easy. He is Quinn father and could play up over a protective dad roll here. We could have had a cop partner here as well for an easy kill and comic relief. We could have used this character to try to ease tension between Kirby and Bailey only to be the catalyst between their civil war after their death. My biggest issue with this film is simply, how did Bailey get this case. How do the cops and fbi not know his background. That's just unbelievable to do in such a short amount of time between the 5 and 6.
One of the things I’ve always wanted was 3 killers and I finally got in the worst way with “ the family,g “
lol yeah careful what you wish for....it might ruin a beloved existing IP.
I actually predicted who one of the killer was, as soon as they announced the persons casting. DERMOT MULRONEY. I knew as soon as he was announced he was one of the killers when stuff started leaking online, I felt it had a Scream 2 vibe about it. Scream 5. The killers were similar to the original Scream. The boyfriend and friend. Scream 2 the killer in Scream 1 mum. Scream 6. The killer in Scream 5 dad. So in Scream 7. It will be someone who has a family link to the,2 sisters. My miner is on Billy had another child and they will be the killer in Scream 7.
I did the same thing! But my way to find out how to easily tell is that the killers all break the rules that are given to us on how to survive since they think they'll get away with it they break every rule since it does not pertain to them
Love your videos. One piece of unsolicited constructive feedback: I often feel like your videos end abruptly. Would you ever consider adding a conclusion? It would be a good time to repeat your thesis statement or final word.
That’s a TH-cam strategy. Retention rates drop when you have too much fluff at the end. So it’s better to make your point and close out fast, as most viewers are ready to click off which means that there could be several minutes of unseen video that hurts the overall retention. Higher retention means more views.
The killers in this movie were very obvious.
Yeah, and the fake out kills don't even work anymore since they do it in every movie. When they "killed" the girl, I was like, "Cool, so that's the killer fake out death."
Yes, they ruined the killers and motive with obvious lines and motives
The police have every evidence, uses them and ruins the reveal
Really lazy writing.
The reveal ruins so much of the movie.
Theatrical and to much eyebrows from a guy who never show a thing
The most obvious by far IMO
Tyler & Matt taking notes rn 📝
The only killer I didn't see coming was Detective Bailey, but that's only because some assholes on TH-cam spoiled the other two for me.
Ik I’m late to this video but I see a lot of people saying Quinn was the most obvious killer. But then there is me who was absolutely gobsmacked to find out she didn’t actually die- 😅😅
okay fine i’ll rewatch it 🙄
Great video Zack! I love all your content 🙏🏼
I had quite a few issues with the reveal in this movie and what it reflected of the earlier plot points, but Ethan actually SAVING Mindy is ABSOLUTELY unnexplainable! Hate it!!! And the fact Bailey uses his "father" credentials for easy access to Quinn's alleged crime scene is absolutely preposterous, it it would ACTUALLY prohibit him more than anyone else to reach the scene!
After Anika and Quinn died it was so fucking obvious Ethan was the killer 💀
After rewatching this video so many times, I think I can say that for those who keep saying that Ethan Landry is a red herring, then your wrong because Zack said that the red herring always has a negative tone, while he clearly mentioned that Ethan has an inconsistent tone in the film, because in the First Act, he had a positive tone in the party and as the movie progressed, he switched to a negative tone, therefore, he didn't have a completely negative tone throughout the whole movie, so he can't be a red herring.
Zach, can u make a video of the franchise’ timeline from past to present? I want to know at what age did the core 4 experienced the events of scream 1-4 plz!
Great video
The best killer reveals are when it's a character that is in most of the movie. Mrs. Loomis and Jill have arguably the best reveals.
Although Scream 6 is a super fun watch, the killers are stupid easy to figure out. If you die offscreen you're the killer, Bailey is way too suspicious of Kirby and yeah he doesn't grieve much for his "dead" daughter, and the third killer is basically told to us by every other character that he is the killer it's almost too in your face. Hopefully Scream 7 has a better mystery to it.
The opening victim being the killer would be a really bad idea I feel. The only decent way would be if the first victim is a returning character, so their death would have impact throughout the film only to have some puzzle pieces in the end add up to them faking their death and being the killer.
Agree that Ethan was horribly underwritten! I also can't take how damn hammy Dermot Mulroney played Wayne Bailey. It made the movie, especially the third act even less effective. (My two cents, YMMV, etc)
Dermot Mulroney FEASTED on the scenery in the final act. Not even scraps were left behind. So over the top.
yeah Mulroney felt like a sitcom dad, so hard to take seriously. It might as well have been Tim Allen doing his Home Improvement grunts as he unmasked himself.
I guessed Ethan and Quinn on my first watch as Ethan seemed super naive, and I thought that he was just acting. Quinn was just kind of a guess because Anika seemed too nice, and I didn't really factor in anyone else.
Great video Zack!
Wow I just realized Jason just killed a character with the same name as Sidney’s fake name in Scream 3.
Interesting. I have a few observations.
1) Tara is probably the only red-herring (and a pretty convincing one considering they've pretty much been building her up as a "returning killer" since her second scene in Scream 5). She kinda swaps between the "red herring" and "confidante" roles. Is it fair to call a character a red herring because they were hinted at as a future killer (repeatedly) in the previous movie? Possibly not... but I thought it was her for a good half of the movie (I didn't see any of the marketing, so the stuff people seemed to pick up on about Detective Bailey passed me by, at least early on.)
2) I wouldn't rule someone out because of positive musical scores. I remember the main killers of Screams 4 and 5 having some pretty positive musical themes too.
3) Totally agree about Quinn. Ironically I didn't think it was her for most of the movie because, again, I didn't pick up on Bailey until some time through the movie (I really think the marketing gave away waaay too much here) and by that time Quinn appeared to already be dead.
Oh yeah... I put Quinn's cockblocking in the same category as Mickey's Ewoks. Dead giveaway.
Tara is definitely not a red herring. The only reason she’s ever made to look suspicious is due to Richie’s comment after Amber reveals herself. That just makes him negatively toned. As for the music, it’s usually neutral unless it’s a major returning character coming into the movie. But Billy had several negatively toned musical cues in the original.
@@ZackCherry You don't think the parallels between Tara in the opening scene of S6 and Amber in S5 make Tara look suspicious at all? I think it's significant that there's no sign of Sam in that opening. Why specifically set it up that Sam isn't there, if not to draw suspicion on Tara? The movie specifically gives Tara a motive for the opening murder. And it does it in the opening scene.
I do agree about the lack of "negative toning" on Tara. But here's the thing... I won't go through the dozens of hints that Tara is being set up as a future killer, because c'mon. (If the emphasis on Sam handing Tara the knife isn't a clear hint as to what's coming then I don't know what is.) But it does feel like they're going to do a parallel to Roman and make the half-sibling the killer in the third movie of the "new" series. I agree that, beyond the opening, there isn't much pointing to her as the killer in the second, even if they do drop a lot of hints that there might be more to her character in the future.
I also don't disagree about the negative musical tones (although Billy was specifically set up as a false "red herring" so you'd expect some with him specifically. But again, there are other killers who aren't portrayed the same way who get the same treatment.) I've never agreed with Mrs Loomis' characterisation as a "wild card" by the way. The genius of Debbie Salt is that she appears specifically to be in the movie to faciliate Gale's character arc and redemption. She's literally giving Gale a taste of her own medicine, thereby making her examine her own actions and the effect they have on her friends. As she's got such a clearly-defined relationship with one of the main protagonists I'd say she slots comfortably into "Devil's Advocate".
I just don’t really see these clues you’re talking about with Tara in either 5 or 6. Unless she has a major 180 in the next movie, it will be a very unsatisfying killer reveal for her.
As for Mrs. Loomis, she’s H.I.P.S. It’s not a defined enough relationship that she has with Gale that she would be D.A. Her cover places her at Windsor because she’s press who is reporting on the murders. That’s the thing that defines her character. If she were D.A. she would have a clear agenda with/against Gale (like Jennifer and Judy do) and we would at least have an idea of who she is personally. She’s also got like 2 minutes of screen time prior to her reveal.
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@@ZackCherry See, I love these kinds of debates. To me, Mrs Loomis at least has a relationship to anyone in the main cast, which is more than Mickey does (they cut out the scenes of him being Syd's roommate, and nobody seems to bother about him when he literally disappears for half the movie. Also he looks at least 10 years older than anybody else. Who even IS this guy? What's he doing there?) "Debbie Salt" has a very well-defined professional rivalry with Gail that's part hero-worship, part envy. Yes, it's her cover, but it also gives her a chance to have some great moments (I love when she comes up to Gail after Randy's murder and is like "How does it feel to know there's someone out there, waiting, watching your every move?") It's less the amount of time she has, more the quality of its use.
As for the hints to Tara...
- There's Richie straight-up accusing her (which is something Scream does a lot - they have someone say something that they think is untrue, but then turns out to be correct later on - for example Syd distracting Mrs Loomis with "Isn't Mickey supposed to be dead?" two minutes before Mickey leaps up like a diving salmon.) Overtly this moment was just put in to set up the "I guess you're not as convincing as you thought" moment later on, but this is a Scream movie. D'you think that's all there is to it?
- There's Sam handing Tara Billy's knife. Not exactly subtle symbolism there.
- There's Tara's approval of Sam's stabbing, which goes a little beyond sisterly affection. And her almost euphoric reaction to stabbing Ethan through the mouth.
- Talking of sisterly affection... Tara's attitude to Sam is really inconsistent throughout both Screams 5 and 6. To the point where it can't be explained by character growth.
- Again, there's LOTS of parallels to the previous killers (in particular Amber in Scream 6, but there are a couple of subtle callbacks to Charlie and especially Jill in some of Tara / Sam's interactions as well).
- And finally, if we're talking about Screams 5, 6 and 7 mirroring 1, 2 and 3... 1 is the love-interest, 2 is the vengeful parent, and 3 is the half-sibling...
I'm sure I've missed out a few here. I know there were some more subtle callbacks I picked up on in Scream 5 that I couldn't remember now. Let's just say that I think they've set up Tara as a possible killer in Scream 7, and honestly I hope they run with it. It would be lame if we have so many returnees in the franchise now, and none of them ends up as a killer.
The my brother died thing got me like hold on 😮
Are you gonna do a video ranking your least to favorite in scream 6?
I was on to the Detective when he said to Sam about revenge
First❤🎉 love you
Now I’m exited for who killed who in Scream 6