They didn't outstrategise. They just did the opposite of whatever the McClarens were going to do. If McClarens did a 1 stop, they would do 2 and vice versa. It's easy to risk 3rd for the win. If Ferrari were leading, for sure, they would not have done a 1 stopper.
Ahhh. I can hear Kimi's engineer in 2007. "By my calculations we win the championship by 1 point". Funnily enough snatched away from the Mclaren Drivers.
Redbulls current situation reminds me of the state of Mercedes early in the season, car that just doesn’t want to play ball and is a ‘monster’ for the drivers to handle, just shows how quickly the tides can change in this sport
@@andrewmelton2686because a weak front end Is what vertsappen needs to be quick, This weaker front end is good for perez actually, because now the car may feel more comfortable for him
the top do fall a long way which is why I'm still in awe of redbulls vettel-era dominance and Mercedes domination of the sport fro a record-setting period of time. Team based excellence. Absolutely incredible.
@@andrewmelton2686 they explained in the video that Max ran a different floor than Checo, and Checo's one was 0,2s faster. In other words, even with a worse car than Checo, Max still beats him comfortably
It’s fascinating how after years of development and progression during a regulation window, the margins for improvement at the cutting edge can be so razor thin that attempts to introduce upgrades can throw off the entire performance balance of a car.
@@aneeshmenon3379 Because it wasn't faster. Actually Max improved 0.3 sec and Checo improved 0.6 sec compared to this year and last year qualy best laps in Monza. However everyone else got much faster. McLaren improved ~1.5 sec compared to last year!
@@aneeshmenon3379 Faster in comparison to the other cars at the time? Yes, however the current Redbull is actually faster than last year it’s just that the other teams caught up.
one thing i have reacted to is that although Ferrari have struggled alot with their car since that upgrade in spain its still very impressive that they are only 39 points behind redbull in the constructors and i feel that is down to their superb driverlineup charles and carlos have been super consistent bringing in points
2:02; How could they have NOT come to Monza with a special rear wing????? It almost seems like they thought "Oh, well Max won here the last two years, so we win whatever way we want to do it".
I think Baku should be alright for them given their DRS effectiveness is still good compared to the rest, but I agree with Singapore. There it’s gonna be ugly for them
@@yessir3433 even last year in singapore it was ugly considering how dominant they were in the rest of the races, i can only imagine the horror show that will happen this year considering they are now 4th fastest with a car that does not take bumps very well
@@ishqiahmed4315 definitely although I’m not sure if they’ll be so bad that they’ll even drop behind some midfield teams, given the fact that the gap between F1‘s top & midfield teams has increased this year. I guess they’ll be fourth best again there
Red Bull completely ignored Perez’s slump in the performance in the last 8 races bcoz of the fundamental car issue. They thought that it was Perez who was underperforming rather than the car itself. Max usually could make a bad car seem like a good car, until it is completely undrivable. They should’ve focused on improving the car based on Perez liking and Max would’ve squeezed the maximum out of it regardless. This phenomenon of car performance cloaking by Max was identified many years, which Red Bull didn’t learn from the past experience
I used to wonder if Red bull were the problem - so many drivers struggled next to max - and this explains it. Max is just next level (and I can't stand him and I believe this) and Red Bull no longer have any idea how to make a good car because of it.
@@Lordsuhn It's not that Max was amazing. Don't get me wrong, he is one of the best drivers on the field, but it was common knowledge that the set-up of the car was a nightmare. Problem was, Max didn't mind it back then. The strange set-up suited Max's balls to the wall driving style. But now that is no longer the case. When Max tries to push the car now, its backend slides all over the place and he can no longer correct it like he used to. He is better than the likes of Perez, Albon and Gasly at taming the car but even he is struggling now.
Rob Marshal would be my call. Without him and Newey there’s no-one with enough hands-on knowledge & kudos to tell the spreadsheet wonks where they’re going wrong. In ignoring Verstappen’s rants for months they’ve group-thought their way to disaster.
something i keep pointing out is that this car is the first red bull that Rob Marshall hasn't been involved in making since 2006. The man is clearly a great engineer with a knack for making the most out of the mechanical platform of the car, he's credited with coming up with the Renault mass damper system for instance. He joins McLaren and the first update he's got a hand in solves the age-old McLaren low-speed front handling woes. And promptly a mechanical handling problem presents itself in Red Bull. There are too many coincidences here to say that his departure hasn't had an effect.
Merc, mclaren, aston martin ferrarri have done it in the last 20 years without adrian newy Its just about finding the right person for the job or finding and developing a whole other area of the car, in short RB had best aero since 2010 but if newey goes rjey need to focus elsewhere
@@Jimmy_Moon They had garbage engines compared to the Mercs and Ferraris from 2014-2020. They were using Renault motors and switched to another underpowered Honda motor. They only 'caught up' because of the engine freeze that said that they all had to have the same power figures and they could no longer develop for power, only reliability. With 2026 going back to a more engine based formula, I expect to see Merc and Ferrari and MAYBE Audi take the reigns here. Whispers were RB's engine program isn't going so well, and every top player from RB has hit out at the 2026 engine regs in the media, while no other team has. Horner, Marko, Max and Newey all complained to the media about the new regs. I see RB falling back to 4th on the grid or so with the brilliance of Max's driving delivering them the occasional podium and maybe a win sprinkled in, but it won't be anything like it is now.
Wache and co thought they knew better and didn't listen to Newey when he expressed concerns over certain design choices. They kicked the man to the kerb and now it's coming back to bite them.
Fallows from Aston and Wache are proving to people that they are frauds who are only leeching off from Newey's glory. Notice how both former Newey-underlings flopped and failed the moment they left Newey.
Wache, Balbo etc. probably got frustrated about Newey getting more credit than them, and likely due to pride they decided to ignore Newey's wishes and be like "we don't need your help, we will go down a completely different path". Well, it looks like a bit of advisory of uncle Adrian would have been needed.
Was this the guy that I heard a rumour about that snuck a part onto the car no one knew about and when he resigned or got fired he removed it and red bull were non the wiser to it and are just sat there wondering why the car isn’t performing
@@DILLIGAF785643 Nothing to do with that. Horner stated in a interview earlier this year that Stefano Domenicali asked them to "slow down" because they were winning by 20-25 seconds which was causing viewer numbers to drop off. This sudden drop off in performance is being done for "the show," Liberty want a repeat of 2021 with a close championship except Norris keeps dropping the ball and the gap hasn't closed as much as they want. Apparently, Liberty also asked them to keep Perez because it would hurt their revenue when it came to U.S venues.
People questioned the cost cap punishment and I told them to wait and see and now we are seeing it(plus newey leaving) they have lost correlation and don't seem to understand the platform.
The difference was Mercedes wanted the FIA to fix it for them. Meanwhile Redbull is doing what they can even in turbulent times for the team to push forward.
Yh and then Toto whined and lobbied for a TD which mandated a minimum ride height for everyone even though mercedes were the only ones who had serious bouncing.
Why is it “McLaren would be ahead if Ferrari hadn’t *mugged* them at Monza” and not “Ferrari are on the ascendancy and are also only 40 points back from RB/also in the hunt for the WCC”?
Once Jos Verstappen started his in team war that divided the RBR cohesiveness into two sides, Newey wanted out! This hurt car development and here is where RBR is at now, behind McLaren, Mercedes and in some ways Ferrari. Horner is no angel, but Jos and Helmet are the enemy from within that created the divide that turned into chaos!
I can see that whole situation also making it harder for the team as a whole. I have never been on the "Red Bull is toxic" train but when you have Jos (Fucking can't wrap my head around why someone's dad would be allowed to have so much influence in a team), Helmut and Horner all butting heads it must trickle down a bit.
I don’t know why Jos Verstappen did what he did, probably to increase his power in the team but Horner should have been fired and if he was anyone else he would have been! While I’m not a red bull fan I had always admired their work ethic and Max’s driving ability but I lost a lot of respect for them and actively root against them now.
yeah nice little story, keep telling yourself that if it helps you copew with it. Just know it doesn't have any factual truth to it. Just your own personal made up story, that's it.
Actually this whole problem was basically created by Newey at the start of this rule cycle.. they run the car too stiff and compromised the suspension purely for aerodynamics - that was great while there were huge possible gains on the aero side. As other teams are getting close on aerodynamics, the rest of the car is coming back to bite them. Newey does this all the time but the thing is he now didnt have any real input into the car for pretty much more than a year at this point so he wasnt really working on solving the problem (which he would otherwise do within a couple months no problem). RedBull just took Neweys design and tried to exploit its early advantage to dominate again in 2025 which explains why theres such a lack of actual updates to the car - and those that were brought didnt really work :D
Red Bull in Singapore is going to be exceptionally exciting to watch. Given how Red Bull did in Singapore last year in a dominant car, we might even potentially see a double Q2 elimination for them this year.
This is why theworld championship is decided by three parts: the driver, the engineers and the stratagists. If you have one that is not working then it doesn't matter how good the other 2 are they will not win consistantly. All the driver's fanboys forget this while their love is winning.
Im guessing Red Bull decided to keep Checko is because he was not actually underperforming in the car but they realized Max had been out driving the cars limitations. Lawson nor Ricardo could bring any better results.
Bing. Checo has not changed his opinion about the car. He’s been having the same complaints since his performance dropped 8-10 races ago, but it was masked by the other teams not being close to RedBull and by Max being able to handle it better. When they decided to keep Checo, they mentioned something about the data showing them that Checo’s issues would still be there with any other driver.
Reminds me of Ferrari after the rule clarification for engine burning oil. The rule clarification for brake balance and now Redbull are nowhere with car balance.
if he was the guy who came up with their current concept it would make sense for them to not understand it well enough without him. i almost wonder if RB might do the unexpected and just buy newey back.. with the much higher salary he wants.. honestly the cost cap kinda fucks guys like newey.. makes it hard for teams with the money to even afford him.
@@notastone4832 I don't think it's just money. He doesn't want the drama. Too much attention and controversy with the Horner stuff and Jos being toxic as well.
@@Jimmy_Moon If you watched 2014 - 2020, you'd also know that Mercedes had an absolutely massive PU advantage right from the start of the hybrid era. To get RB even close to competitive with them, while being down on power the vast majority of the time shows how good Newey is in aero. Add to that the number of championship winning cars he's designed with different teams, and maybe you should rethink your argument.
@@Jimmy_Moon2014-2018 wasnt really newey's fault. Its renault giving them unreliable underpowered engines. 2019-2020 is just Mercedes being Godly. 2021 used an updated version of the 2020 car which have its potential realized so you cant really even call the 2020 RB16 a bad car when the actual foundation was there.
Just makes you realize how much of a force legendary Adrian Newey was in RedBull championship victories. Next race McLaren will outscore RedBull in Constructors championship and one retirement by Max will bring Lando in the mix for drivers championship. Driver can be a phenom but only when he has the car under him to deliver championship winning performance. If the rumors are true it will be crazy not only will Adrian Newey get to work in UK but he will also have the brand new Aston Martin wind tunnel facility at his disposal and chance to reunite with Honda yet again.
One lando retirement and norris isnt even 2nd. It can go many ways from here. It would be cool if the car performance evens out towards the end and we get a 3 driver wdc battle.
We also have a crisis in mclaren, especially with Zack not wanting to use team orders. That's basically telling someone to actually drive better and faster rather than relying on the team to slow down the other one.
The Race is 100% right. Next season will be very tight with the top teams. 2024 was the trailer for the 2025 season. One thing you can't deny is that from the start of this era, Christian & RedBull were very vocal saying even though their early success was brilliant, they will pay for it towards the later stages of the era, they won't be as fortunate. That prediction is playing out now.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403Well, it was a different time in the sport. There was no budget cap and unlimited time in the wind tunnel. Still, the FIA tried various things to try and stop Mercedes such as changing the regulations in 2017 to bigger cars, wider tyres, and the addition of more downforce. Simple front wing design for the 2019 season and onwards. They got rid of ‘party mode’ during qualifying in 2020. Until they managed to somewhat stop them in 2021 when they cut the floors of the cars which favored high rake teams like Red Bull and AlphaTauri. That’s why Red Bull was so dominant for the most part during the 2021 season while Mercedes lost all the performance they had with the W11 (2020).
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 a lot of the reg changes from 2017 to 2020/21 were targeted at slowing down Mercedes. Most of them actively made the competition stronger too (e.g. better suiting high rake cars when Merc had low rake designs), instead of just passively slowing down the team at front. DAS was legal in 2020 but ruled out in 2021. The wider cars and tyres change brought Ferrari into the fight for 2017 and 18 - Ferrari could/should have won in 2017 but Ferrari and Vettel legitimately threw it away that year. 18 was closer but again Ferrari and Vettel fell apart after the summer break.The 2019 and 2020 changes brought Red Bull into the fight, and Red Bull won the drivers championship the following year.
Don’t forget that Redbull had that wing in 2021 before Mercedes complained and it was banned. Now the FIA suddenly changed their minds 3 years later on it. Had Redbull known it was no longer banned they likely would have never stopped using it.
@@bobbyslickton4742that might turn out to be true, but for this season Norris is their best hope for the drivers championship this year and they haven't prioritised him.
Newey was the general, directing the technical team which direction to go. He no longer designs the car, but he knows which issue is a real problem or a red herring.
Looking ahead on the calendar: Baku, Singapore, Austin, and Vegas are all bumpy, curb heavy tracks. If they can't sort their stuff out before those races, they're done for. Singapore was especially atrocious last year, and they had the most dominant car in history. Assuming McLaren stop throwing away points, this title fight could legitimately go down to Abu Dhabi
If this is how RB develops the RB20, which was at start of the season the fastes car, then I'd hate to see what happens with RB21 next year.And come the new regs in 2026 RB could well end up towards the back of the field.
@@Lanse1984 the RB power unit program is apperently not going well at all from the reporting that is coming out that I have seen so far. But who knows really at this stage. We'll have to wait and see.
That RB20 was winning races at the beginning of the seasob hence Max cushion of points to the Driver's title. However, others are developing and learning and catching up, so what does Red Bull has to do? Develop upgrade parts. Unfortunately, those new parts don't work, they even resort to frankenstein parts that worked previously. Right now, Monza highlighted they are stagnated with the same car they got at season start. They added parts but upset the balance more, specially at Monza... Of all places, exposing how weak it is in grip when aero downforce is not that much needed in a track like Monza.
They do not have to do NOTHING and that rat wins his last championship. McLarens will eat each other and there is no way that Norris could get more that 70 pints in 8 races over the first driver in the drivers championship.
Guys you need to understand this isn't a title battle, the redbull is far far too slow. It's like saying alonso was fighting max for the championship in early 2023, it's just not happening
@issammelzi728 This is a title fight. Max has had the best car at the start of the season, Mclaren, the middle of the season, but not by the same margin as the RB from earlier in the year. Max, therefore, has a big lead in the WDC with 8 races to go. Lando has to win at least 3 more races to make this a fight while Verstappen doesn't have to win any races. Lando has the car to win, Max currently doesn't but if he finishes on the podium that's good enough. Max is still in the driving seat to win the title as long as he doesn't DNF.
lol not even close, this is mclaren and norris we're talking about, even if RB has a shitbox now they'll fucking choke eventually. Most likely Leclerc will beat norris for 2nd place. With checo return to form there's even still a chance for mclaren to NOT win constructors lol!
It feels like Red Bull are encountering issues other teams have been able to work through in catching up to them. I would bet Newey being pushed to the side lines has led to the car being pushed in a direction that the concept doesn't want to go towards, but now they're too far down the road to turn back and are throwing out all the excuses we've heard elsewhere before.
And what blows my mind is people suddenly expect that the mechanical platform of the car SUDDENLY got blown out of wack from being perfect and the FIA Brake ban had NOTHING to do with it????
Well, we were resolutely assured that the asymmetrical braking ban had nothing to do with RedBull slowing. So…. The board has full confidence in that decision
@@Lanse1984 so the logical thing to do is revert to old spec… If the car was perfect and the upgrade ruined it .. why continue to run the part?? Alot of teams revert to old spec if the old spec was better…So why wouldn’t they do the same?? Unless for some reason they couldn’t.. The rule addendum specified that any system (which opens up possibilities beyond the brake system) that results in Asymm Braking on either AXLE is banned. My thought process is that when they confirmed “no team was using such a system… it was in regard to inertial valve ..you can also achieve the same effect via engine braking/harvesting … which would explain the necessity to include “axle” in the verbiage . You can easily achieve this with use of an IMU. And per the old rules it wouldn’t have been illegal.
@@Dakwiinnthe specific problems they are having don’t line up with that though. It’s a lack of consistency and confusion with how to set up the car. And they have been reverting back to old spec parts, it’s just that other teams have been getting quicker so they need to try some upgrades mixed in with old parts.
I remember 2009 when Jensen Button and Brawn simply got overtaken mid season onwards when the rest of the field figured out the double diffuser and they couldn’t develop the car at the same speed as the competition. Red Bull is different though as they have the cash to play with, but they no longer have Neway or even someone as influential as Ross Brawn himself. Fortunately for them, McLaren hasn’t got it in Lando Norris and they’re not supporting Lando. If they switched in Hungary and Italy, Lando would be around 10 points closer to Verstappen. Max is more than good enough to get around the problem and has full support from Red Bull to retain the title.
So when redbull is doing good Perez input is garbage but now all the sudden that redbull is not doing well these guys take nearly every Perez declaration as absolute truth and valuable input. Y’all are pathetic
They basically turned this car into the 2022 Mercedes. When you put it in its window it's the quickest car, but the window is so narrow that you're forced to make compromises and most of the time you end up with the 3rd/4th best car as a result. These regs have proven absolutely perilous, one wrong move and not only do you stall in your progress but it's very easy to actually come out with worse performance afterwards. Do it right and the gains are incredible. It'll be interesting to see how the next RBR car will turn out. If they are out of title contention from the very start, it'll be clear losing Newey was a massive blow for the team.
Not that surprising that after Red Bull removed the asymmetrical braking hardware after the rules "clarification" they cant seem to figure out the handling of the machine that was designed to use it. Maybe?
@@4Jobert8 proof of innocence? and dont cite the FIA... they tried desperately to cover up ferrari oil burning in 2018... they are not remotely as transparent as they claim.
@stayynfresh the teams would know if any braking parts were removed from the RB and would have protested by now , blaming the FIA s simply you pushing your narrative
I think they have been hit by the loss of wind tunnel and CFD time from the cost cap breach and Newey leaving. There might be more to it than this but I think they've just been out-developed by other teams.
It's a combination of a lot of things, first other teams do get better so you have to constantly upgrade your car without messing it, second Redbull civil war, third Newy exit, four FIA do find Redbull differential brake pressure was ilegal or was "against the rules intentions" and create a regulation against it, you can't have diferents break pressure on the same axis, meaning your front left and your front right has to have the same break pressure, that rule affects rb a lot.
After a worrying start this is turning into a great season - it's crazy how fine the margins are at the top, going into race weekends with four teams in contention. Feel McLaren need to wisen up pretty quick, Lando is the only one that can win the WDC and trying to be fair has cost them in that battle. Every point will matter going into the final races.
Formula 1 updates it's rules to outlaw Asymmetric braking just as Redbull's car starts to become "undriveable". Just like in 2019 when Formula 1 updated the rules to stop fuel sensor location tricks and Ferrari stops being so powerful.
@@3rdGenGuythe rule change took time to be written and signed off into the rule book. And this comes after weeks or even months investigating that resulted in the decision being necessary. The timeline works.
Except Ferrari almost got pole in USA. Qualified 1-2 in Mexico and lost the race due to Ferrari strategy. So the engine sensor rule didn’t change much .
@@Dakwiinn No it doesnt. When mass dampers were being banned they were being used literally the week before. Same thing also happened with McLaren's fiddle brake and more recently with Ferrari's fuel flow gate. No team would avoid using an advantage midseason if it hasn't been outlawed yet. You'd be somehow implying that Redbull modified their braking system as early as Canada and still managed to win 2 more races.
But this has nothing to do with a fundamental rule change, like differential braking. This is just all other teams making a huge jump at the same time.
Its weird how the A-symmetric braking system is meant to alleviate understeer, and a lack of understeer was a huge characteristic of the Red Bull car before the FIA rule clarification. Ever since the A-symmetric braking clarification, the Red Bull has been a different car. Weird.
How does The Race not realize or mention that Newey designed the suspension and very often did the entire setup. That was absolutely crucial. They immediately began losing ground when he left.
i disagree that the experiments to previous versions of the car show that they did *not* have potential assymetric braking. the fact they can revert the entire car back the the beginning season form, and not find the balance they had then, means that something is missing, which could theoretcially be explained by that braking system
This sounds like Mercedes entering the ground effects era. Driver imputs ignored, Wind tunnel and CFD downforce points not equalling real aero, unstable front and rear ends, narrow performance margins, quick at times dead slow when not in the opertaing window.
It's crazy how after Redbull's asymetrical braking pressure system got banned it's suddenly undriveable. Just proves how much of an advantage braking ability can provide, let drivers enter the corner differently and lower the consequences of understeer that's such a problem right now for RedBull.
For Max especially. The only driver to lose time in Q3 in Monza. Also, he’s gone from having about a second of pace advantage per lap over Checo, to now only being about a tenth ahead. Is Checo suddenly on Max’s level, or is Max personally struggling??
Exactly; the funny thing is that because the FIA said that no team was using it, everyone in the media has believed them as if they were going to tell the truth.
@@Maartwo They're not going to tell the truth. The same way politicians don't tell the public the truth. Do you think that the government will ever tell the public that aliens exist and that they have proof?
They said Newey wasn’t important and not only did they lose him for the future, but cutting him out of technical meetings, they sabotaged the remainder of the 2024 season since they can’t set up the car without Newey.
🤞 This means Horner gets sacked. Always disliked him in interviews (as with everyone with his attitude), so here's hoping he goes and someone with an ounce of genuine honesty in them takes over.
Horner is Red Bull's Racing CEO, so not exactly the same as a regular Team Principal... after losing Newey and Wheatley I don't think they'll want to lose another pivotal figure in the team and overall organization.
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It's going to be a tough story. For Max, let's hope that there will be a few more rain races and many safety cars and red flags. The car is simply no longer competitive. Add to that a team that is no longer sharp and you are powerless as a driver. The most shocking thing I found was that a driver who drives around the track at +300 km per hour has to warn his team on the radio to stay sharp.
If they were running the brake trick. IF It wasn't illegal since it wasn't specifically banned in the rules. Now that they have clarified it and someone runs it. Then it would be illégal.
@@hwilmore they had to clarifiy the rules BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CLEAR ENOUGH!!! It's litteraly called a clarification!!! And as others have stated. Red Bull was dropping off in form before the clarification was issue. Your village doesn't want you to come home because you are an embarassement to them. They want a better fool.
Max Verstappen, to me, sometimes comes across as a bit of a crybaby in Formula 1. Don’t get me wrong-he’s incredibly talented and one of the best drivers on the grid, but his constant complaints on the team radio can be frustrating to listen to. It seems like every time something doesn’t go his way, he’s quick to blame other drivers or even his own team. I get that F1 is a high-pressure sport, and emotions run high, but it often feels like Max lets his frustrations get the better of him. It makes him look immature at times, even though I know it’s probably just his intense desire to win. I think as he grows older and gains more experience, he’ll learn to keep those emotions in check and focus more on his racing. For now, though, his outbursts can make him seem like he’s not fully in control.
Or RB have had to remove some bits from the car as a result of an investigation….how does such a dominant car move backwards so fast? Also note how Perez has been closer to max recently. Is that because only max’s car has been changed ?
You are wrong about Q3. The car shown in the image was not Checo. It was a Mercedes. Checo was long gone and instead waited on the last straight to give Max a tow which was short but helped a bit. As soon as Checo made the mistake he asked about giving Max a tow but was told to push in order not to bother Max with dirty air so he did and was long gone, a Mercedes was there instead.
@@3rdGenGuy You have a point mate... Still, the end of Merc domination was pretty entertaining to see as well. But then there's the fact that Red Bull has gone from those guys that do all kinds of unique things with their F1 cars to those that can't drop an underperforming driver because of sponsorship money in those 1.5 seasons of domination.
Now we understand what Perez has been struggling with; it's just that Max was able to tolerate it longer since the car was designed to suit his driving style💁🏽♂️
Don't know what's more surprising: Red Bull dropping the ball or Ferrari out-strategising everyone else.
They didn't outstrategise. They just did the opposite of whatever the McClarens were going to do. If McClarens did a 1 stop, they would do 2 and vice versa. It's easy to risk 3rd for the win. If Ferrari were leading, for sure, they would not have done a 1 stopper.
😂😂😂😂
Well we know one was dumb-sheer luck.
@@Sojourner88 i think partially leclerc did do a great job of tyre management.. sainz even with fresher tyres started fading alot earlier than leclerc
Meaning they had a better strategy. Charles himself said that they would not have won if it was not for great strategy @@Sojourner88
The funny thing is that the only thing saving Red Bull now is McLaren themselves
Ahhh. I can hear Kimi's engineer in 2007. "By my calculations we win the championship by 1 point". Funnily enough snatched away from the Mclaren Drivers.
They have to pay back the favors granted by Perez.
Cannot disagree! McLaren are their own worst enemy!
Mclaren are currently their own worst enemy!
Hahahaha.... Haha. Ha....
*2012 PTSD intensifies*
Redbulls current situation reminds me of the state of Mercedes early in the season, car that just doesn’t want to play ball and is a ‘monster’ for the drivers to handle, just shows how quickly the tides can change in this sport
Interesting how the gap between checo and max is now smaller
@@andrewmelton2686 Because Checo has been driving the legal car and Max has not until now.
@@andrewmelton2686because a weak front end Is what vertsappen needs to be quick, This weaker front end is good for perez actually, because now the car may feel more comfortable for him
the top do fall a long way which is why I'm still in awe of redbulls vettel-era dominance and Mercedes domination of the sport fro a record-setting period of time. Team based excellence. Absolutely incredible.
@@andrewmelton2686 they explained in the video that Max ran a different floor than Checo, and Checo's one was 0,2s faster. In other words, even with a worse car than Checo, Max still beats him comfortably
It’s fascinating how after years of development and progression during a regulation window, the margins for improvement at the cutting edge can be so razor thin that attempts to introduce upgrades can throw off the entire performance balance of a car.
I'm curious why they aren't just using last years car? It was faster!
@@aneeshmenon3379was it though? I believe Max was still quicker in Zandvoort than the year before.
@@aneeshmenon3379 Because it wasn't faster. Actually Max improved 0.3 sec and Checo improved 0.6 sec compared to this year and last year qualy best laps in Monza. However everyone else got much faster. McLaren improved ~1.5 sec compared to last year!
@@aneeshmenon3379 It doesn't have a 2024-compliant roll hoop, also it's still slower than the current car.
@@aneeshmenon3379 Faster in comparison to the other cars at the time? Yes, however the current Redbull is actually faster than last year it’s just that the other teams caught up.
one thing i have reacted to is that although Ferrari have struggled alot with their car since that upgrade in spain its still very impressive that they are only 39 points behind redbull in the constructors and i feel that is down to their superb driverlineup charles and carlos have been super consistent bringing in points
@@SeiMoonZz Perez Hold my beer
Yeah I kind of didn't notice how close they were. If you ask me Red Bull is quite likely going to end in 3rd place this year.
@@DeathBlocksagreed
2:02; How could they have NOT come to Monza with a special rear wing????? It almost seems like they thought "Oh, well Max won here the last two years, so we win whatever way we want to do it".
correlation problem between wind tunnel and findings on the track
it's because of the cost cap restrictions. too expensive.
😭😂
Baku and Singapore are going to be painful for red bull
Can’t wait !
I think Baku should be alright for them given their DRS effectiveness is still good compared to the rest, but I agree with Singapore. There it’s gonna be ugly for them
Great. Hoping for not finishing in the points
@@yessir3433 even last year in singapore it was ugly considering how dominant they were in the rest of the races, i can only imagine the horror show that will happen this year considering they are now 4th fastest with a car that does not take bumps very well
@@ishqiahmed4315 definitely although I’m not sure if they’ll be so bad that they’ll even drop behind some midfield teams, given the fact that the gap between F1‘s top & midfield teams has increased this year. I guess they’ll be fourth best again there
Horner man underselling Newey’s value a few months back is the funniest part off all this. What a 🤡
What a 🍆
Yeah what a dick hey. 7 Drivers championships in the last 14 years, clown for sure.
You are so right. I was thinking the same thing. It was also the aero-design team who were more or less were dismissive of Newvy's input.
Yeah and setup balance is the issue 😂😂 @jone8626
Gee. I'd rather trust a man who worked with Newey up close than some random dude in the internet.
Red Bull completely ignored Perez’s slump in the performance in the last 8 races bcoz of the fundamental car issue. They thought that it was Perez who was underperforming rather than the car itself. Max usually could make a bad car seem like a good car, until it is completely undrivable. They should’ve focused on improving the car based on Perez liking and Max would’ve squeezed the maximum out of it regardless. This phenomenon of car performance cloaking by Max was identified many years, which Red Bull didn’t learn from the past experience
I used to wonder if Red bull were the problem - so many drivers struggled next to max - and this explains it. Max is just next level (and I can't stand him and I believe this) and Red Bull no longer have any idea how to make a good car because of it.
@@Lordsuhn It's not that Max was amazing. Don't get me wrong, he is one of the best drivers on the field, but it was common knowledge that the set-up of the car was a nightmare. Problem was, Max didn't mind it back then. The strange set-up suited Max's balls to the wall driving style. But now that is no longer the case. When Max tries to push the car now, its backend slides all over the place and he can no longer correct it like he used to. He is better than the likes of Perez, Albon and Gasly at taming the car but even he is struggling now.
This reminds of what happened with Honda and Marc Marquez in Motogp
Rob Marshal would be my call. Without him and Newey there’s no-one with enough hands-on knowledge & kudos to tell the spreadsheet wonks where they’re going wrong. In ignoring Verstappen’s rants for months they’ve group-thought their way to disaster.
something i keep pointing out is that this car is the first red bull that Rob Marshall hasn't been involved in making since 2006. The man is clearly a great engineer with a knack for making the most out of the mechanical platform of the car, he's credited with coming up with the Renault mass damper system for instance. He joins McLaren and the first update he's got a hand in solves the age-old McLaren low-speed front handling woes. And promptly a mechanical handling problem presents itself in Red Bull. There are too many coincidences here to say that his departure hasn't had an effect.
In terms of rants which Verstappen are you referring to exactly?
@@asdc-central2112all of them
@@asdc-central2112The one driving
@@trymetal95 Rob Marshall is an underappreciated genius in the sport. Definitely agree.
with the maestro leaving, I won't expect a quick fix to be found anytime soon 🙏🏼
Yep. No more "touch of the Master's hand" for RB.
What about 2014 to 2020?
Merc, mclaren, aston martin ferrarri have done it in the last 20 years without adrian newy
Its just about finding the right person for the job or finding and developing a whole other area of the car, in short RB had best aero since 2010 but if newey goes rjey need to focus elsewhere
Not only the maestro but also his minions.
@@Jimmy_Moon They had garbage engines compared to the Mercs and Ferraris from 2014-2020. They were using Renault motors and switched to another underpowered Honda motor. They only 'caught up' because of the engine freeze that said that they all had to have the same power figures and they could no longer develop for power, only reliability. With 2026 going back to a more engine based formula, I expect to see Merc and Ferrari and MAYBE Audi take the reigns here. Whispers were RB's engine program isn't going so well, and every top player from RB has hit out at the 2026 engine regs in the media, while no other team has. Horner, Marko, Max and Newey all complained to the media about the new regs. I see RB falling back to 4th on the grid or so with the brilliance of Max's driving delivering them the occasional podium and maybe a win sprinkled in, but it won't be anything like it is now.
The RB20 is walking the path as the SF71H, but in a more dramatic way.
0 side pod is cursed
They were winning races with the new concept at the start of the season.
@@hilroydaniels5109 When every one was bad, now every one added speed besides redbull
@@hilroydaniels5109 yeah when they had that illegal brake system and now they are shit.
@@mineralwater6736 lol teamLH spotted, laughed at and ignored
@@notastone4832 delusional Maxi fanboy detected opinion rejected.
Wache and co thought they knew better and didn't listen to Newey when he expressed concerns over certain design choices. They kicked the man to the kerb and now it's coming back to bite them.
Fallows from Aston and Wache are proving to people that they are frauds who are only leeching off from Newey's glory. Notice how both former Newey-underlings flopped and failed the moment they left Newey.
Wache, Balbo etc. probably got frustrated about Newey getting more credit than them, and likely due to pride they decided to ignore Newey's wishes and be like "we don't need your help, we will go down a completely different path". Well, it looks like a bit of advisory of uncle Adrian would have been needed.
Was this the guy that I heard a rumour about that snuck a part onto the car no one knew about and when he resigned or got fired he removed it and red bull were non the wiser to it and are just sat there wondering why the car isn’t performing
@@DILLIGAF785643 not Wache, he's chief designer (may not be his title but close enough).
@@DILLIGAF785643 Nothing to do with that. Horner stated in a interview earlier this year that Stefano Domenicali asked them to "slow down" because they were winning by 20-25 seconds which was causing viewer numbers to drop off.
This sudden drop off in performance is being done for "the show," Liberty want a repeat of 2021 with a close championship except Norris keeps dropping the ball and the gap hasn't closed as much as they want. Apparently, Liberty also asked them to keep Perez because it would hurt their revenue when it came to U.S venues.
People questioned the cost cap punishment and I told them to wait and see and now we are seeing it(plus newey leaving) they have lost correlation and don't seem to understand the platform.
Ya the lack of wind tunnel time has finally caught up with them
Fix your damn car! Toto has heard it before.
Fix your dam car!... classis Horner😂😂😂
The difference was Mercedes wanted the FIA to fix it for them. Meanwhile Redbull is doing what they can even in turbulent times for the team to push forward.
@@galaxypanda1288 eventually Mercedes does the work for ourselves so, it doesn't mean anything.
Yh and then Toto whined and lobbied for a TD which mandated a minimum ride height for everyone even though mercedes were the only ones who had serious bouncing.
Why is it “McLaren would be ahead if Ferrari hadn’t *mugged* them at Monza” and not “Ferrari are on the ascendancy and are also only 40 points back from RB/also in the hunt for the WCC”?
Looks like the ego maniacs at RB that said they were as good as Newey are eating humble pie
true, then again anyone who thinks they understand ground effects as well as he does for F1 is huffing copium
I don’t think anyone said they were as good as Newey
Neway used the asymmetric braking as the magic trick probably all these years but now it was exposed and they can not use it any more. Whole secret.
Humble pie … is that keto?
Who said that exactly?
Once Jos Verstappen started his in team war that divided the RBR cohesiveness into two sides, Newey wanted out! This hurt car development and here is where RBR is at now, behind McLaren, Mercedes and in some ways Ferrari. Horner is no angel, but Jos and Helmet are the enemy from within that created the divide that turned into chaos!
I can see that whole situation also making it harder for the team as a whole. I have never been on the "Red Bull is toxic" train but when you have Jos (Fucking can't wrap my head around why someone's dad would be allowed to have so much influence in a team), Helmut and Horner all butting heads it must trickle down a bit.
I don’t know why Jos Verstappen did what he did, probably to increase his power in the team but Horner should have been fired and if he was anyone else he would have been! While I’m not a red bull fan I had always admired their work ethic and Max’s driving ability but I lost a lot of respect for them and actively root against them now.
yeah nice little story, keep telling yourself that if it helps you copew with it. Just know it doesn't have any factual truth to it. Just your own personal made up story, that's it.
RedBull is such a cluster f**k since Newey left 🤦♂️
newey is actually still there just not overseeing everything this year, he's leaving at the end of the year
@@maxalphrax1295he’s on gardening leave and has nothing to do with the F1 team.
@@maxalphrax1295 the only thing Newey is working on is the RB17 hypercar
Actually this whole problem was basically created by Newey at the start of this rule cycle.. they run the car too stiff and compromised the suspension purely for aerodynamics - that was great while there were huge possible gains on the aero side. As other teams are getting close on aerodynamics, the rest of the car is coming back to bite them. Newey does this all the time but the thing is he now didnt have any real input into the car for pretty much more than a year at this point so he wasnt really working on solving the problem (which he would otherwise do within a couple months no problem). RedBull just took Neweys design and tried to exploit its early advantage to dominate again in 2025 which explains why theres such a lack of actual updates to the car - and those that were brought didnt really work :D
they did't listed to him when he said some parts he did'nt like were there now see the result
Dont see a problem. F1 is more exciting right now than it has been for quite some time.
God bless McLaren for having shit drivers!
Problems for one team are always opportunities for others.
Red Bull in Singapore is going to be exceptionally exciting to watch. Given how Red Bull did in Singapore last year in a dominant car, we might even potentially see a double Q2 elimination for them this year.
This is why theworld championship is decided by three parts: the driver, the engineers and the stratagists. If you have one that is not working then it doesn't matter how good the other 2 are they will not win consistantly. All the driver's fanboys forget this while their love is winning.
@@EvilFinian you got to be in the right place at the right time in F1
@@A2906-o8q Yes all the talent in the world wont make up the difference if you have a bad car or bad team
Im guessing Red Bull decided to keep Checko is because he was not actually underperforming in the car but they realized Max had been out driving the cars limitations. Lawson nor Ricardo could bring any better results.
Bing. Checo has not changed his opinion about the car. He’s been having the same complaints since his performance dropped 8-10 races ago, but it was masked by the other teams not being close to RedBull and by Max being able to handle it better. When they decided to keep Checo, they mentioned something about the data showing them that Checo’s issues would still be there with any other driver.
Bingo! Thats what I was thinking. They should’ve focused more on Perez rather than Max. Max can outperform a bad car until it is undrivable
Dumb comment, you can't outdrive a car's limitations
Reminds me of Ferrari after the rule clarification for engine burning oil. The rule clarification for brake balance and now Redbull are nowhere with car balance.
Ohh, I don't think anyone was supposed to say that! Even if it's true
here, take long to see this commentary.
No Newey, No Bueno.
if he was the guy who came up with their current concept it would make sense for them to not understand it well enough without him. i almost wonder if RB might do the unexpected and just buy newey back.. with the much higher salary he wants.. honestly the cost cap kinda fucks guys like newey.. makes it hard for teams with the money to even afford him.
Adrian was there 2014 to 2020. Rethink that theory.
@@notastone4832 I don't think it's just money. He doesn't want the drama. Too much attention and controversy with the Horner stuff and Jos being toxic as well.
@@Jimmy_Moon If you watched 2014 - 2020, you'd also know that Mercedes had an absolutely massive PU advantage right from the start of the hybrid era. To get RB even close to competitive with them, while being down on power the vast majority of the time shows how good Newey is in aero. Add to that the number of championship winning cars he's designed with different teams, and maybe you should rethink your argument.
@@Jimmy_Moon2014-2018 wasnt really newey's fault. Its renault giving them unreliable underpowered engines. 2019-2020 is just Mercedes being Godly. 2021 used an updated version of the 2020 car which have its potential realized so you cant really even call the 2020 RB16 a bad car when the actual foundation was there.
We are seeing the results of Newey not there to fix the car.
It is Neweys carcand his upgrades
Or other smart people on other teams are figuring things out.
Great content. Always well put together, clear, concise. Thank you for making it.
Just makes you realize how much of a force legendary Adrian Newey was in RedBull championship victories. Next race McLaren will outscore RedBull in Constructors championship and one retirement by Max will bring Lando in the mix for drivers championship. Driver can be a phenom but only when he has the car under him to deliver championship winning performance. If the rumors are true it will be crazy not only will Adrian Newey get to work in UK but he will also have the brand new Aston Martin wind tunnel facility at his disposal and chance to reunite with Honda yet again.
One lando retirement and norris isnt even 2nd. It can go many ways from here. It would be cool if the car performance evens out towards the end and we get a 3 driver wdc battle.
@@haaspaas2Too much of a gap to Piastri, and unless Leclerc wins the rest of the races he's too far back as well. It's between Lando and Max.
Lance stroll..
We also have a crisis in mclaren, especially with Zack not wanting to use team orders. That's basically telling someone to actually drive better and faster rather than relying on the team to slow down the other one.
they probably switched to the 2025 car too soon and have to divert resources back to 2024
The Race is 100% right. Next season will be very tight with the top teams. 2024 was the trailer for the 2025 season.
One thing you can't deny is that from the start of this era, Christian & RedBull were very vocal saying even though their early success was brilliant, they will pay for it towards the later stages of the era, they won't be as fortunate.
That prediction is playing out now.
even newey said this season would be close at the car launch while standing beside horner.. everyone said they were sandbagging lol
Yeah who knew less wind tunnel time for 2 seasons in a row would hurt so much
@@issammelzi728Yep, I wish Mercedes would have been handicapped the same way when they were dominating.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403Well, it was a different time in the sport. There was no budget cap and unlimited time in the wind tunnel. Still, the FIA tried various things to try and stop Mercedes such as changing the regulations in 2017 to bigger cars, wider tyres, and the addition of more downforce. Simple front wing design for the 2019 season and onwards. They got rid of ‘party mode’ during qualifying in 2020. Until they managed to somewhat stop them in 2021 when they cut the floors of the cars which favored high rake teams like Red Bull and AlphaTauri. That’s why Red Bull was so dominant for the most part during the 2021 season while Mercedes lost all the performance they had with the W11 (2020).
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 a lot of the reg changes from 2017 to 2020/21 were targeted at slowing down Mercedes. Most of them actively made the competition stronger too (e.g. better suiting high rake cars when Merc had low rake designs), instead of just passively slowing down the team at front. DAS was legal in 2020 but ruled out in 2021. The wider cars and tyres change brought Ferrari into the fight for 2017 and 18 - Ferrari could/should have won in 2017 but Ferrari and Vettel legitimately threw it away that year. 18 was closer but again Ferrari and Vettel fell apart after the summer break.The 2019 and 2020 changes brought Red Bull into the fight, and Red Bull won the drivers championship the following year.
Red Bull needs to go to a flexi front wing too. Merc and McLaren are killing it with that wing.
Don’t forget that Redbull had that wing in 2021 before Mercedes complained and it was banned. Now the FIA suddenly changed their minds 3 years later on it. Had Redbull known it was no longer banned they likely would have never stopped using it.
I'm a Red Bull fan, but I remember people saying that the benefit of breaking the budgetcap in 2021 would have it's benefits up until about now.
Fortunately McLaren are determined to give Verstappen the Drivers Championship by screwing Norris. Genius.
norris in underperforming. Piastri will prove to be faster and more reliable
@@bobbyslickton4742that might turn out to be true, but for this season Norris is their best hope for the drivers championship this year and they haven't prioritised him.
Lando is to far behind anyway and he screws up most time. They would need max to not finish 2 races for Lando to be in the fight.
@@L.L that's true, and I don't think Lando will win it. But I would still rather say ok Oscar for the next 8 races you are the number two.
@@DeathBlocks yes I agree. If they don’t try they sure won’t have a chance lol
The downturn in performance is after Newey is no longer at the track or in performance meetings.
Ferrari taking over as mclaren challanger.
I love this analysis. Very professional without being too technical.
Newey was the general, directing the technical team which direction to go. He no longer designs the car, but he knows which issue is a real problem or a red herring.
It's is his car and his upgrades also.
Looking ahead on the calendar: Baku, Singapore, Austin, and Vegas are all bumpy, curb heavy tracks. If they can't sort their stuff out before those races, they're done for. Singapore was especially atrocious last year, and they had the most dominant car in history. Assuming McLaren stop throwing away points, this title fight could legitimately go down to Abu Dhabi
If this is how RB develops the RB20, which was at start of the season the fastes car, then I'd hate to see what happens with RB21 next year.And come the new regs in 2026 RB could well end up towards the back of the field.
Apparently their engine program isn't going very well either.
So you could be right
@@blueguy12345don't know about the car but the PU is going very well.
@@Lanse1984 the RB power unit program is apperently not going well at all from the reporting that is coming out that I have seen so far.
But who knows really at this stage. We'll have to wait and see.
They will be cooked in 2026 having to rely on their own engines.
I guess we can now conclude that the cost cap breach penalty has worked exactly as planned.
Adrian is like, told you so.
That RB20 was winning races at the beginning of the seasob hence Max cushion of points to the Driver's title. However, others are developing and learning and catching up, so what does Red Bull has to do? Develop upgrade parts. Unfortunately, those new parts don't work, they even resort to frankenstein parts that worked previously. Right now, Monza highlighted they are stagnated with the same car they got at season start.
They added parts but upset the balance more, specially at Monza... Of all places, exposing how weak it is in grip when aero downforce is not that much needed in a track like Monza.
They do not have to do NOTHING and that rat wins his last championship. McLarens will eat each other and there is no way that Norris could get more that 70 pints in 8 races over the first driver in the drivers championship.
When you realise that we might be going into another Abu Dhabi title decider... 😮
This is McLaren we are talking about. Watch them wrap up the championship before Brazil. Ofc.. Max being the champion.
WCC ? Sure but McLaren is trying their hardest to lose a possible (as unlikely as it is) Lando WDC.
Guys you need to understand this isn't a title battle, the redbull is far far too slow. It's like saying alonso was fighting max for the championship in early 2023, it's just not happening
@issammelzi728 This is a title fight. Max has had the best car at the start of the season, Mclaren, the middle of the season, but not by the same margin as the RB from earlier in the year. Max, therefore, has a big lead in the WDC with 8 races to go. Lando has to win at least 3 more races to make this a fight while Verstappen doesn't have to win any races. Lando has the car to win, Max currently doesn't but if he finishes on the podium that's good enough.
Max is still in the driving seat to win the title as long as he doesn't DNF.
lol not even close, this is mclaren and norris we're talking about, even if RB has a shitbox now they'll fucking choke eventually. Most likely Leclerc will beat norris for 2nd place. With checo return to form there's even still a chance for mclaren to NOT win constructors lol!
It feels like Red Bull are encountering issues other teams have been able to work through in catching up to them. I would bet Newey being pushed to the side lines has led to the car being pushed in a direction that the concept doesn't want to go towards, but now they're too far down the road to turn back and are throwing out all the excuses we've heard elsewhere before.
lol Newey is not that important eh?
Yeah. It’s nice that Horner was so clear is stating Newey wasn’t that important, but he as TP was greatly responsible for their success. 😏
RB can no longer play with brake pad pressure difference, now they corner like they are supposed to.
And what blows my mind is people suddenly expect that the mechanical platform of the car SUDDENLY got blown out of wack from being perfect and the FIA Brake ban had NOTHING to do with it????
Remember how Mercedes magically solved their issue? Well RB obviously installed some upgrades that did the opposite
Well, we were resolutely assured that the asymmetrical braking ban had nothing to do with RedBull slowing. So…. The board has full confidence in that decision
@@Lanse1984 so the logical thing to do is revert to old spec… If the car was perfect and the upgrade ruined it .. why continue to run the part?? Alot of teams revert to old spec if the old spec was better…So why wouldn’t they do the same?? Unless for some reason they couldn’t..
The rule addendum specified that any system (which opens up possibilities beyond the brake system) that results in Asymm Braking on either AXLE is banned.
My thought process is that when they confirmed “no team was using such a system… it was in regard to inertial valve ..you can also achieve the same effect via engine braking/harvesting … which would explain the necessity to include “axle” in the verbiage .
You can easily achieve this with use of an IMU. And per the old rules it wouldn’t have been illegal.
@@Dakwiinnthe specific problems they are having don’t line up with that though. It’s a lack of consistency and confusion with how to set up the car. And they have been reverting back to old spec parts, it’s just that other teams have been getting quicker so they need to try some upgrades mixed in with old parts.
Why are you so bothered? Even if they were using it for the first few rounds of the season, it wasn’t illegal then
You don't need to be an aero expert to see how crude (desperate even) the RBR rear wing looked compared to the others at the weekend...
I don't care why they're struggling as long as it continues.
Bingo, couldn’t happen to a better team.
Yup same here!
@@themassmauler you should go back watching football
I remember 2009 when Jensen Button and Brawn simply got overtaken mid season onwards when the rest of the field figured out the double diffuser and they couldn’t develop the car at the same speed as the competition. Red Bull is different though as they have the cash to play with, but they no longer have Neway or even someone as influential as Ross Brawn himself. Fortunately for them, McLaren hasn’t got it in Lando Norris and they’re not supporting Lando. If they switched in Hungary and Italy, Lando would be around 10 points closer to Verstappen. Max is more than good enough to get around the problem and has full support from Red Bull to retain the title.
So when redbull is doing good Perez input is garbage but now all the sudden that redbull is not doing well these guys take nearly every Perez declaration as absolute truth and valuable input. Y’all are pathetic
loved the upside down animation graphic lmao
This is very techy! 😅
Yes.its extremely texhy😂
But, I digress
They basically turned this car into the 2022 Mercedes. When you put it in its window it's the quickest car, but the window is so narrow that you're forced to make compromises and most of the time you end up with the 3rd/4th best car as a result. These regs have proven absolutely perilous, one wrong move and not only do you stall in your progress but it's very easy to actually come out with worse performance afterwards. Do it right and the gains are incredible.
It'll be interesting to see how the next RBR car will turn out. If they are out of title contention from the very start, it'll be clear losing Newey was a massive blow for the team.
After last year. I’m glad they’re bleeped for now.
Crazy how redbull starting on hards is what led Leclerc to pit so early banking on a 2 stop but then ultimately winning him the race
Not that surprising that after Red Bull removed the asymmetrical braking hardware after the rules "clarification" they cant seem to figure out the handling of the machine that was designed to use it.
Maybe?
Proof?
@@4Jobert8 proof of innocence? and dont cite the FIA... they tried desperately to cover up ferrari oil burning in 2018... they are not remotely as transparent as they claim.
@stayynfresh the teams would know if any braking parts were removed from the RB and would have protested by now , blaming the FIA s simply you pushing your narrative
Nobody can convince me there wasn't a fiddle brake. Car went from unbeatable to undriveable overnight that's not everyone else being better
@scottkeating308 it was definitely something. they were slow is monza as well. Might have been more then one thing imo.
What goes up, must come down.
What has changed? I refuse to believe 3 teams have passed them on performance without the FIA banning a part or finding RBR were breaking the rules.
Mclaren got faster. The car this year is about 1 sec quicker than last year. In Mclaren’s case, about 2 sec.
I think they have been hit by the loss of wind tunnel and CFD time from the cost cap breach and Newey leaving. There might be more to it than this but I think they've just been out-developed by other teams.
It's a combination of a lot of things, first other teams do get better so you have to constantly upgrade your car without messing it, second Redbull civil war, third Newy exit, four FIA do find Redbull differential brake pressure was ilegal or was "against the rules intentions" and create a regulation against it, you can't have diferents break pressure on the same axis, meaning your front left and your front right has to have the same break pressure, that rule affects rb a lot.
What has changed? Everyone has copied the Red Bull design and finally understand the ground effect rules.
@@steve4880But why did Red Bull went backwards? Surely the copies can't beat the original...
After a worrying start this is turning into a great season - it's crazy how fine the margins are at the top, going into race weekends with four teams in contention.
Feel McLaren need to wisen up pretty quick, Lando is the only one that can win the WDC and trying to be fair has cost them in that battle. Every point will matter going into the final races.
Can't lie: I'm loving the fact that Red Bull are also-rans and not appearing on tv alot.
2 videos in 24 hours. Thank you lads!
There's a good chance Ferrari might pass them in the WCC as well
This season is turning into something like that year with Brawn GP
Formula 1 updates it's rules to outlaw Asymmetric braking just as Redbull's car starts to become "undriveable". Just like in 2019 when Formula 1 updated the rules to stop fuel sensor location tricks and Ferrari stops being so powerful.
6:08
that rule change happened way after redbulls pace loss
@@3rdGenGuythe rule change took time to be written and signed off into the rule book.
And this comes after weeks or even months investigating that resulted in the decision being necessary. The timeline works.
Except Ferrari almost got pole in USA. Qualified 1-2 in Mexico and lost the race due to Ferrari strategy.
So the engine sensor rule didn’t change much .
@@Dakwiinn No it doesnt. When mass dampers were being banned they were being used literally the week before. Same thing also happened with McLaren's fiddle brake and more recently with Ferrari's fuel flow gate. No team would avoid using an advantage midseason if it hasn't been outlawed yet. You'd be somehow implying that Redbull modified their braking system as early as Canada and still managed to win 2 more races.
Excellent video thank you
Loving every minute of there falloff
Until they resurge again
But this has nothing to do with a fundamental rule change, like differential braking. This is just all other teams making a huge jump at the same time.
I'm a simple man. When Jos and Helmut are mad, I'm happy. 😁
I feel like every time I see Jos he is either mad or has a smug dickhead look.
Its weird how the A-symmetric braking system is meant to alleviate understeer, and a lack of understeer was a huge characteristic of the Red Bull car before the FIA rule clarification. Ever since the A-symmetric braking clarification, the Red Bull has been a different car. Weird.
or it could be that missing fiddle brake
Not seeing max win every race makes the sport more enjoyable. I’ve only been watching for five years but I really like how this season is panning out.
The upgrade schedule is disrupted as Newey, Wheatley etc leave the team. It will take time to get number 1 car again
Indeed. Probably 5 to 10 years.
Yeah, but Max has No.1 written all over his car. Surely that means he should be winning. 😁 It's the simple pleasures.
How does The Race not realize or mention that Newey designed the suspension and very often did the entire setup. That was absolutely crucial. They immediately began losing ground when he left.
"Red Bull also wasn't helped by Perez..."
Too true
Why does he pronounce Red Bull as “Ripple”
i disagree that the experiments to previous versions of the car show that they did *not* have potential assymetric braking. the fact they can revert the entire car back the the beginning season form, and not find the balance they had then, means that something is missing, which could theoretcially be explained by that braking system
Exactly
It was explicitly mentioned that the issue was present in the early season as well… your conjecture is entirely dependent upon a misstatement
This sounds like Mercedes entering the ground effects era. Driver imputs ignored, Wind tunnel and CFD downforce points not equalling real aero, unstable front and rear ends, narrow performance margins, quick at times dead slow when not in the opertaing window.
It's crazy how after Redbull's asymetrical braking pressure system got banned it's suddenly undriveable. Just proves how much of an advantage braking ability can provide, let drivers enter the corner differently and lower the consequences of understeer that's such a problem right now for RedBull.
For Max especially. The only driver to lose time in Q3 in Monza.
Also, he’s gone from having about a second of pace advantage per lap over Checo, to now only being about a tenth ahead.
Is Checo suddenly on Max’s level, or is Max personally struggling??
Exactly; the funny thing is that because the FIA said that no team was using it, everyone in the media has believed them as if they were going to tell the truth.
FIA Officials confirmed that no team used asymetrical braking.
@@Maartwo you mean the same FIA that are paid by RB??
@@Maartwo They're not going to tell the truth. The same way politicians don't tell the public the truth. Do you think that the government will ever tell the public that aliens exist and that they have proof?
They said Newey wasn’t important and not only did they lose him for the future, but cutting him out of technical meetings, they sabotaged the remainder of the 2024 season since they can’t set up the car without Newey.
🤞 This means Horner gets sacked. Always disliked him in interviews (as with everyone with his attitude), so here's hoping he goes and someone with an ounce of genuine honesty in them takes over.
That's unlikely as he still has the backing from the Thai side of Red Bull
@@Limegreenedragon Hence the hope, rather than statement that will end him.
Horner is Red Bull's Racing CEO, so not exactly the same as a regular Team Principal... after losing Newey and Wheatley I don't think they'll want to lose another pivotal figure in the team and overall organization.
@@soundscape26 wonder if newey gets brought back with a higher salary..
@@notastone4832 TF would he care about more money!
Now that FIA changed the rules to specify no asymmetrical brake systems Max and Red Bull have come crashing back down to Earth.
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Sure what's Apk her directly, but TH-cam's got a thing with posting number
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Something suspicious about mclaren cars.
It's going to be a tough story. For Max, let's hope that there will be a few more rain races and many safety cars and red flags. The car is simply no longer competitive. Add to that a team that is no longer sharp and you are powerless as a driver. The most shocking thing I found was that a driver who drives around the track at +300 km per hour has to warn his team on the radio to stay sharp.
Give me back my turny brakey thing
Amazing what losing the g-force valve for asymmetric braking will do to adversely affect the performance of the car.
At this point Red Bull’s only hope is that McLaren bottles their races with their infighting and poor decision making.
HEY SCOTT! THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT!
There should be no confusion. They were running an illegal brake steering component on Max's car, which had been removed.
If they were running the brake trick. IF
It wasn't illegal since it wasn't specifically banned in the rules. Now that they have clarified it and someone runs it. Then it would be illégal.
@@blueguy12345 The rules were pretty straightforward. The clarification is cover.
Your village wants you to come home.
FIA said no teams were using it.
& the clarification was made AFTER redbull started to fall off.
@@hwilmore they had to clarifiy the rules BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CLEAR ENOUGH!!!
It's litteraly called a clarification!!!
And as others have stated. Red Bull was dropping off in form before the clarification was issue.
Your village doesn't want you to come home because you are an embarassement to them. They want a better fool.
@@3rdGenGuy exactly
And, this is why it is important to retain your old employees who got you to success. No company is big enough without the right set of employees
Max Verstappen, to me, sometimes comes across as a bit of a crybaby in Formula 1. Don’t get me wrong-he’s incredibly talented and one of the best drivers on the grid, but his constant complaints on the team radio can be frustrating to listen to. It seems like every time something doesn’t go his way, he’s quick to blame other drivers or even his own team. I get that F1 is a high-pressure sport, and emotions run high, but it often feels like Max lets his frustrations get the better of him. It makes him look immature at times, even though I know it’s probably just his intense desire to win. I think as he grows older and gains more experience, he’ll learn to keep those emotions in check and focus more on his racing. For now, though, his outbursts can make him seem like he’s not fully in control.
No, he is immature! His father has him thinking he’s gods gift to motor racing.
Tell me you are new to F1, how is he different from every other driver who complains the same way?
@@4Jobert8not to his degree
They've lost too many of their experienced staff who understand the entire integrated system.
Or RB have had to remove some bits from the car as a result of an investigation….how does such a dominant car move backwards so fast? Also note how Perez has been closer to max recently. Is that because only max’s car has been changed ?
You are wrong about Q3. The car shown in the image was not Checo. It was a Mercedes. Checo was long gone and instead waited on the last straight to give Max a tow which was short but helped a bit. As soon as Checo made the mistake he asked about giving Max a tow but was told to push in order not to bother Max with dirty air so he did and was long gone, a Mercedes was there instead.
To be fair, I like the fact that Red Bull goes down...
I mean that end of domination of one team is usually very welcome.
Soda pop company participating in the gokart contest. I think their heart is in the right place.
Mercedes had the fastest car 2014-2021: I sleep
RedBull has 1.5 good seasons: REAL SHIT!
@@3rdGenGuy You have a point mate... Still, the end of Merc domination was pretty entertaining to see as well. But then there's the fact that Red Bull has gone from those guys that do all kinds of unique things with their F1 cars to those that can't drop an underperforming driver because of sponsorship money in those 1.5 seasons of domination.
@@jansz1589newery: i told you so
Red Bulls crisis has made this season very interesting since the new Aero era
Now we understand what Perez has been struggling with; it's just that Max was able to tolerate it longer since the car was designed to suit his driving style💁🏽♂️