The high deg tyres are one of the worst decisions F1 has made. I don’t want drivers cautiously conserving tyres, I want them to shred the thing’s chasing each other down
The issue is that f1 thought fragile tyres would create more chaos. The issue with Canada 2010 was that the tyres degradation was slightly random and chaotic, which is damn near impossible to replicate on command
so many drivers weren't given the proper opportunity, i'd say kamui kobayashi was super talented and unfortunately got replaced by gutierrez but he should have been given a chance at at least 1 mid-top team.
In 2000's was said the Toyota's budget was almost as high as Ferrari's and yet they never delivered a winning car through almost their entire run in F1. And when they managed it in 2009, they were caught by the crisis of 2008 end decided to leave F1
Toyotas problem was they tried to use the same strategy that worked in their other activities, not understanding that F1 was different and moved at a different pace. Having to wait for a board meeting to decide whether or not you can alter your sidepods is not going to work
Schumacher's comeback was not a failure. He help to build the Mercedes AMG Race team into a championship winning team. He was not there to win championship.
Oh yes it was. Widely reported as a failure in the UK F1 media and supported by many of their unbiased "Get Schumacher" fanatic types so must be kosher. Like that other German after him, they will never forgive both those Germans for stopping their deserved chosen ones from success. To this very day and ongoing! Oh whatever happened to good old British sense of fair play . Oh I remember now...
@@NicotineRosberg he tests out the innovations and changes they introduce to the car during development...and gives feedback so that they can change it to improve the car
McLaren + Honda + Alonso = they really played on my emotions. What a disaster. I believe Seidl and Key would do it differently and maybe, just maybe McLaren would be now in RB's place.
@@muhidnaveed2617 it was not just Honda, but the way they coordinated with each other. One of biggest differences after switching was communication Honda with RB. At least that was what Honda said.
Here is one: The Arrows years under Tom Walkinshaw. He bought the team, even bought the name rights back from Footwork, hired Damon Hill in 1997 but despite one highlight in Hungary never delivered. Also fell victim to the "nigerian prince scheme" (sorry I could not resist) and later failed due to bad business practices despite having some strong sponsorships.
One hype train that was absolutely disastrous that should've been on this list was Toyota's go around in F1. A team that poured so much in terms of resources, time, effort, and so on into that works team only to be derailed by Japanese auto manufacturer's own hubris and stubborn approach of doing things "the Toyota way" rather than learning to adapt and listening to people on the ground in the team.
That’s an interesting one because they weren’t a *bad* team, comparable to McLaren-Honda or BAR’s first season. It seemed like they were always on the cusp of breaking through but just couldn’t do it. Too bad their final car - completed just as the team shut down - never got to race.
@@zombiedodge1426 Not just that but it's also interesting because of how they always got in their own way. For example, the team was forced the corporate board in Aichi, Japan to switch from Michelin rubber to Bridgestone because Toyota brass wanted to partner with the Japanese company over the French one. This is was despite the fact that the car was designed around using the Michelin tire compounds than Bridgestone ones and the team in Germany strongly being against the change to the harder Bridgestone tires.
@@zombiedodge1426 If I recall, isn't that the exact same shop in Cologne that they operated their Le Mans effort from 1998 and 1999 and do now with their current WEC effort?
For people who thought AM should be on the list, the list only consisted of projects that had already ended due to their downfall. AM is still in F1, had solid plans to improve for the next 5 years. The managers are still getting their heads around their new role. Who knows, maybe AM would make a radical concept in their next big upgrade or next year that would make them a front runner. Either way, it’s too early to decide after only 2 races.
2021 wasn’t massively brilliant for them either. P4 in 2020 to P7. I want to believe in Aston, I want to see this brand resurrect itself from years of debt. However, it’s almost one flop after another, I really wish they can turn it around
Agree but so far they're not looking to be on the right track Rather than Mercedes or RBR, they appear to be heading down the Jaguar or Lotus route, I doubt we'll see the Aston name in F1 by 2026.
What I would add on my list? Some options, but probably some of them wasn't such hyped as mentioned in video, but what I have in my mind: BRM P15 with V16 engine ATS (italian one) from 1960s when some engineers and drivers left Ferrari to create new team Andretti at McLaren in 1993 new teams in 2010 (mostly Virgin and Lotus maybe not something big, but there was some hope for them)
He just lacked the chassis and the drive. If he had a better mindset and worked harder on applying himself to F1, it probably would've gotten closer to winning, and if his 2003 car was better and his 2005 car didn't keep trying to blow up, I'm certain he would've won (2003 more so, 2000's Kimi was very very fast)
Heikki Kovalainen and Vandoorne came into F1 with huge expectations and neither did anything of note. If BAR is on the list, then surely Toyota HAVE to get a mention Also JEAN ALESI!!! Labelled as a future World Champion and looked mega at Tyrell, went on to get 1 lucky race win and never got close to the hype
I'd argue they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. They were both demolished by two of the best drivers of all time when they were still very inexperienced, and barely had a second chance (Kovalainen) or no second chance at all (Vandoorne)
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 If you want to be in F1 you have to compete against the best, being beaten 18-0 in qualifying for Vandoorne was poor. Kovalainen was at Renault when their form dipped, but even against Fisichella he didn't shine
@@thomasknights9461 Vandoorne wasn't helped either by the typical McLaren politics, nor the fact that he always got the worst parts, since Alonso 'deserved' only the best.
Alesi also had quite a lot of bad luck. He came in 91, when ferrari started its downfall, then left in 95 in exchange of schumi, when ferrari was the best of the rest. Michael took with him the best engineers and mechanic at benetton, and the team couldn't provide him a car as great as the 94 or 95 one, so he still was in team which was the best of the rest He is basically like alonso from 2013 onwards. Great driver with a lot of talent, but made poor decisions and had bad luck with the cars
I was ecstatic when BAR tried to run two different liveries. I am of the opinion that F1 cars should be identifiable at a quick glance; we shouldn't have to squint to see tiny numbers or try to make out what helmet it is (especially since they've grown less graphic and more detailed). We shouldn't have to try and guess which Alpha Tauri has gone off track, or if it's Leclerc or Sainz who managed to overtake... which Red Bull? It needn't be as different as BAR - a different rear wing and airbox would do the trick, or an additional stripe, or huge, visible numbers.
Things I would add to the list: -KERS in 2009 -Cangoroo TV for the fans at the circuit (does anyone remember? 😂) -Hockenheim’s track redesign to make it more attractive for F1 -The shootout qualifying format -Sebastien Bourdais’ appearance in F1
Suddenly, the distinctive noise on the Lotus makes alot more sense in retrospect. Sure the cars with the Exhaust-Blown Diffuser had a distinct noise in general, but the Lotus in particular as it flew past at full speed always sounded just that tiny bit different to my ears then the others did.
I know it benefits from being more recent but it's hard to beat the McLaren-Honda revival of 2015. Furthermore coupled with Alonso's return to the team.
Montoya crashed into Kimi at the USGP in 2006 at Indy on lap 1 by the 2nd corner. That might also have contributed to his early exit from McLaren. Remember that McLaren was carrying the flag for Mercedes-Benz at the time.
Given this starts around 1996/97 with Prost, how is the “Mastercard Lola” project not here! 😅 To make it a dozen, Cristiano Da Matta was very much hyped as well.
Most of the people watching this probably weren't watching F1 then , but great call with Lola , what were they like 20 seconds off the qualifying pace and got done on the 107% rule ?
Given how late they decided to enter and build their car for 1997 along with their questniable sponsorship deal with Mastercard, I think most people saw them as underdogs rather than hyping them up.
7:53 Schumi went to Mercedes to help build a good team and create a great car. Which they did, and Brawn and Wolff have said this on multiple occasions. Even Hamilton said this recently. The Schumi-Mercedes years where never meant to be their championship winning years.
Watching a lot of races from 1994-1996, there were a lot of comments about how good Frentzen was supposed to be (favorable comparisons to Schumacher included) so I imagine him winning just one race at Williams qualifies here
Especially for their debut season in 2002. For god's sake, they finished behind a heavily underfunded and underpowered Minardi! Toyota spent over 500 mil. $ a season and couldn't win a single race in 8 years, that's pathetic!
@@Srga91 That's because much like Ford, they threw alot of money at it without understanding what they were throwing their money at (though with Ford it was just sheer ignorance, whereas Toyota it was more through arrogance). Much like Chrysler, they basically got in their own way.
@@RACECAR I know, they were thinking a big budget is all they need to succeed. It also seems like Lawrence Stroll is now making the same mistake with Aston Martin.
Jaguar and Aston Martin both raced in British racing both have had massive PR both have a lot of money invested in em both have had movie liveries hopefully Aston Martin doesn't become Jaguar
@@brkicaleksandar11 hate on stroll Sr. all you want, but atleast do some research on him lol. He has a history of turning failing companies into profit making corporations. He is proper petrol head and owns a race track. He is not some owner who doesn’t care. The amount of investment he is putting ( new HQ, wind tunnel, R&D) is impressive. They will be successful or at the sharp end of the grid within 10yrs.
I remember jaguar saying they were going to win races and challenge for championships straight away before they competed, right then I knew they weren’t going to be successful, even one of my friends said they are throwing a lot of money at it, I said to him there’s more to f1 than just spending money, Ferrari has one of the biggest budgets and have been in f1 since the start but even they get beaten
This video feels more like a '10 bad times for drivers/teams' than 10 things that didn't live up to the hype. Would have been a more interesting video if there were more tracks and rule changes that didn't go well such as the original trip to Las Vegas, or the Yeongam circuit never living up to the hype of being a full blown street circuit.
Good video but it suffers from recency bias. Michael Andretti at McLaren, and Porsche’s catastrophic return to F1 with Footwork/Arrows, should have been included.
The Jaguar never could keep up but I loved the racing green design always hoped for them to improve as a kid and Irvine is an awesome driver as well what a shame
Does it annoy anyone else how Pirelli prints its logo flat on the tire instead of letting it curve with the tire radius? I know it’s a small niggle. But it really does irk me.
Schumacher did have some really bad reliability in fairness. The wheel not being put on correctly in China 2012 (?) cost Merc a 1-2. Plus he had moments in quali where he outperformed the car something fierce. But yeah. He was well past his prime. But everything considered he still wasn't as bad as some make out. Especially given that Rosberg and Lewis weren't as far apart as people thought they were. Between 2010-2012 we had no idea where Rosberg was.
Degrading tyres didn't live up to the hype? The 2011 - 2013 seasons were some of the most entertaining F1 seasons of recent years with a massive upsurge in overtaking*. The tyres were now a relevant part of strategy since drivers who pushed the tyres too hard had to pit more often. *yes I know DRS played its part but the overtaking dropped in 2014 and 2015 when they made the tyres more durable.
I’d also nominate Damon Hill at Jordan as not living up to the hype. The 1996 world champion joined Jordan for 1998 and despite a poor start for Jordan in 1998, the appointment of Mike Gascoygne as technical director seemed to turn things around with Jordan moving from bottom of the championship to 4th plus a 1-2 finish in Belgium, so there was a lot of hype around the Jordan 199 the following season with Damon being joined by Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Damon being seen as a possible championship contender. However, the season never got going for Damon. He never got on with the new and harder Bridgestone 4 grooved tyres and while Frentzen did win races and was a realistic contender for the title until his retirement at the Nurburgring finishing the season with 54 pts, good enough for 3rd in the championship, Damon could only muster 7 points and a 12th place finish in the championship (the same points and position he achieved with Arrows in 1997), scoring points on just 4 occasions, failing to finish 9 of the 16 races including voluntarily retiring the car at his final Grand Prix in Japan.
The Lotus-Pratt&Whitney turbine car. The 6-wheel Tyrrell. Alesi at Ferrari. Capelli at Ferrari. James Hunt at Wolf. Brabham-Alfa Romeo. The Caesar Palace circuit.
6:00 can we just appreciate the aesthetics of the late 90s/early 2000s CART cars? Simple wing, low nose, no top intake… that’s what an open wheeler should look like. Just lovely.
I think Schumacher was there to have fun, not to win. I also think that Schumachers biggest strength was removed from F1 then. He was a genius in strategies including refuelling because he always made the opposite to his opponents in order to win
Jaguar was a complete disaster. Irvine was right about the "management". BAR was a disaster, but then ended up becoming BrawnGP and eventually Mercedes. To think Honda was that close to a championship.
I guess tyres are complicated, but it is unbelievable how a key performance component like that can be left to hold back the performance of F1 cars (and F1 racing) for so long. All everyone has ever wanted to see is a flat-out fight, yet tyre saving has been dominant for such a long time.
@@valerierodger7700 I agree Valerie, it would be nice to see strategy employed whilst cars are racing at their maximum. The dull period of a race where cars are waddling around on high fuel protecting their tyres has never been a highlight, yet when everything speeds up for the last 20 laps we actually see a race. Look at Albon last weekend on the hards. He was going faster each lap as the fuel burned off. It sounds like he enjoyed it, and I can say it was a great strategy to watch. Hopefully we see more teams make use of this durable option.
2:12 "Mid season"?? that looks pretty 3/4 season to me. Theres no need to round-down when mid season was 4 races prior to them changing the nose with only 5 races to go. I know im being OCD but its little things like this that bring the videos down in quality
Imagine if Prost would have kept the Honda engines and had Trulli and Panis all year round in 1997 (rather than a Japanese paid driver and then switching to inferior engines)...could have been the midfield over achiever for many more years!
True,but sadly the entire Prost GP deal was built on support from the French governent supporting Prost so sadly keeping the Mugen Honda engines over going with Peugeot was never an option.
I still have a feeling that Renault just stopped developing the R31 car because of the sudden absence of Robert Kubica, who was scheduled to drive this car in 2011, but couldn't due to his rally accident in pre-season. So it might also be a third factor. So far we've seen two good results of the car that was basically built with intention to let Kubica drive it and who knows, maybe if he had some better results if not the accident, then maybe the Renault team would develop the car further more during the season? Just speculating, you know.
Toyota needs to be up there as well. They had the biggest budget and possibly the best wind tunnel of all the teams and didn't achieve anything, besides a couple of podiums. I still can't believe they finished dead last behind MINARDI in 2002! I'd change 'BAR' to 'Jacques Villeneuve at BAR', because after he departed they showed that the team had potential, finishing 2nd in the WCC in 2004 (once Honda started to get more involved). Classic case of oversell and underachieve, starting with claiming they'd win the championship in '99 (with an underpowered engine 🤣🤣).
@@nathanjansen2695 Montoya and Perez were also good drivers, but the cars they drove, as well as the one Norris and Ricciardo drive this year, were just not good enough
Could you imagine a second Schumacher dominance period if someone had made him more assured that the three years grinding concepts (blown front wing aka double DRS and FRIC anyone) would've lead to a strong 2013 car and then a head start against other teams into the V6 era.
I don't think he would have been able to fight for the title. Rosberg already beat him 3/3 years, and michael was 40+. Adapting to completely new cars is hard, especially the older you are. Every driver, even the ones with the most longevity (lewis, michael, alonso, kimi) start to get out of their primes when they are around 35 years old It'd be like saying "imagine if prost stayed with williams after 93"
@@chamindujanith6337 that he was already in his late stages of his career, and age would have been one of the declining factors. Look at schumi, kimi, hakkinen, vettel, alonso, and also a bit lewis. They aren't in their primes anymore, and it's hard to think they'd be able to adapt to new cars and perform at 110% for 20+ races year after year. They can from time to time prove their value, but being consistent is the hard part That's why i don't think schumi would have been able to win other titles even if he had stayed at merc for 2014-16
@@oj7177 Prost actually beat Hill 14-2 in qualifying and 99-69 in points in 1993. That's one of his best years even though it was the best car. Especially considering Hill challenged for championships in 1994, 1995 and 1996. Another good example is Mansell in 1992 who also dominated to win the championship that year in his final full-year. Beat Patrese 14-2 in qualifying and 108-56 in points. Prost and Mansell are two of the rare drivers who hadn't declined when they left the sport.
@@chamindujanith6337 i didn't say they retired when they had a decline, what i'm saying is that even just 1 year can make a big difference in the driver's performances. I don't think they would have been able to keep that level for other 3 or 4 years. Lewis in 2020 had his best year stat wise, but in 2021 we could see he had a bit of a "slump"
McLaren-Honda still makes me sad to think about. Senna is and always will be my favourite driver, and McLaren-Honda with that iconic Marlboro livery (specifically the MP4/5) will forever be the GOAT car for me. Complete opposite ends of the spectrum, the highest of highs, and the lowest of lows. But in the 10s I was much more a Red Bull guy than a McLaren guy, so I have to hand it to Honda for being undeniably the most improved engine supplier of the turbo hybrid era. Completely different beast in the RB16B than it was in the MP4-31
As a huge Kimi fan, Kimi's 2nd stint at Ferrari. Mediocrity almost entirely across the board until 2018. I simply couldn't believe someone who had regularly challenged for wins and podiums in the Lotus E20/E21 cars (as the dark horse almost always lurking in the background) could then almost immediately be so many tenths behind in qualifying and always finish lower down the grid than his teammates almost every single time. I just couldn't believe it. If ALO was 4th, RAI was 8th. ALO 5th, RAI 10th. VET 2nd, RAI 4th. Hardly ever did he finish ahead. And he was always .25s off in qualifying, at least. 2018 was some redemption for 2014-17, but it just wasn't enough. I'm honestly surprised he had the willpower to carry on with Alfa for three seasons beyond that.
i mean it was alonso.. vettel... as team mate raikkonen never really excelled at ferrari. 2007 was a fluke mixed with the whole mclaren inner deamons. 2008 massa was top 2009 massa well lead till his acident
I was wondering when the obsession with tyre deg in F1 started. Well now I know. Happened at a time where I was not following F1 and I didn't remember it being so crucial watching it as a kid. Wish the FIA got rid of the Pirelli monopoly and stopped controlling tyres options so closely. They should focus their regulations to safety purposes only, and let the teams instead pick their tyres and strategies freely. Wish they at least got rid of the rule forcing teams to use 2 different types of compounds in a dry race, that just introduces artificial element to the strategy and makes it about the rules rather than the racing.
I remember being absolutely psyched when Vettel moved to Ferrari, and I fully expected him to build that team and become a new Schumacher… but Ferrari’s bullshit never ends. If the tifosi could get their head out of their asses, they’d win every year.
you know, I don't wish Ferrari on anyone. they can build a great car and have excellent drivers, but the team on a whole doesn't race very well. they're likely to fumble half of their pitstops, and goof on pit strategy when the cars do hold up
What about the zero sidepods Mercedes came up with? During testing everyone was all like "Oh here we go again. The season is over now!" There are quite a few faces smeared with yolk and eggshells around.
@@blackshadow7192 I mean, I know using your F1 cars to advertise one of your brands is a good move, but Lada doesn't seem the sportiest of brands exactly. (Even if they did once have a rally team) Imagine if Renault had changed team name to Lada instead of Alpine!
Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger, Benetton 1996. When Michael Schumacher joined Ferrari in 1996, Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger moved the opposite way to Benetton, who with Schumacher had just recorded their first championship double the previous year (winning 11 out of the 17 races in 1995). Along with how Schumacher would do at Ferrari, there was huge interest in how Alesi and Berger, both still highly rated at the time, would perform with the reigning Constructors Champions. However, the combination didn't work and the car concept that Schumacher had worked to 9 wins the previous year didn't suit the driving styles of either of them. The result was a huge step down with the team scoring 0 wins for the first time since 1988, and worse, although more reliable than Schumacher's Ferrari, the team lost second in the championship to Ferrari and were over 100 points behind Williams. As a matter of fact, for the rest of their time in F1, Benetton would only record 3 pole positions and 1 win (Berger took pole and the win at Hockenheim in 1997, Alesi took pole at Monza in 1997 and Fisichella claimed a fortunate pole in Austria 1998, by being the last driver to set a lap time as the weather conditions, wet at first, improved and he was last to complete his fastest lap)
The high deg tyres are one of the worst decisions F1 has made. I don’t want drivers cautiously conserving tyres, I want them to shred the thing’s chasing each other down
Maybe they should go back to having two tire compounds to choose from like they used to do.
"bono my tyres are gone"
Yep. High deg tyres are the reason I don't bother watching most f1 now and why I'll never buy Pirelli tyres again.
The issue is that f1 thought fragile tyres would create more chaos.
The issue with Canada 2010 was that the tyres degradation was slightly random and chaotic, which is damn near impossible to replicate on command
@@Stryker_-qd4nq Kinda ironic when you think about it, they got the chaos they were aiming for.
"...Before selling up to Red Bull. Since then, it's done okay." LOL nice one
The race make clear everyday that them dislikes Red Bull. Of course they deny it, but it is so obvious for anyone with two brain cells
Haha🤣, done okay or don't okay, it's hilarious one indeed
"10/10 it's okay"
Still a dirt bag team
@@levantjbean2712 RB is a top team now what are you talking about ?
so many drivers weren't given the proper opportunity, i'd say kamui kobayashi was super talented and unfortunately got replaced by gutierrez but he should have been given a chance at at least 1 mid-top team.
You’ve been getting those kobayashi shorts in your recommended haven’t you?
@@BigManPattty 😂😂😂 fuckin everyone is gettin them
@@BigManPattty Yes... Kobayashi revival for some reason
Hello Kobayashi. How many accounts do you have mate. You are everywhere
@@BigManPattty lol exactly! My TH-cam feed is filled with kamui overtaking content.
In 2000's was said the Toyota's budget was almost as high as Ferrari's and yet they never delivered a winning car through almost their entire run in F1. And when they managed it in 2009, they were caught by the crisis of 2008 end decided to leave F1
Japanese consturctors just cant catch a break from stuff that makes them leave the sport haha
Toyotas problem was they tried to use the same strategy that worked in their other activities, not understanding that F1 was different and moved at a different pace. Having to wait for a board meeting to decide whether or not you can alter your sidepods is not going to work
Trulli at best, I guess
Nnnnnnnbn
their spending was due to building a team from scratch no?
Schumacher's comeback was not a failure. He help to build the Mercedes AMG Race team into a championship winning team. He was not there to win championship.
Oh yes it was. Widely reported as a failure in the UK F1 media and supported by many of their unbiased "Get Schumacher" fanatic types so must be kosher. Like that other German after him, they will never forgive both those Germans for stopping their deserved chosen ones from success. To this very day and ongoing!
Oh whatever happened to good old British sense of fair play . Oh I remember now...
exactly, he helped develop the car and a lot of things were tried on his car, so he was never gonna be as fast as Rosberg.
Tell me how he helped? 🤔 genuine question
Cap
@@NicotineRosberg he tests out the innovations and changes they introduce to the car during development...and gives feedback so that they can change it to improve the car
McLaren + Honda + Alonso = they really played on my emotions. What a disaster. I believe Seidl and Key would do it differently and maybe, just maybe McLaren would be now in RB's place.
seidl and key would have not been able to make the honda engine better. maybe the chassis and aerodyamics but they woud have still retired loads
Welp, that disaster is gone and they're still a disaster again now.
@@muhidnaveed2617 it was not just Honda, but the way they coordinated with each other. One of biggest differences after switching was communication Honda with RB. At least that was what Honda said.
RB have a long way to go to catch up to McLaren's overall success , but it would be great to see them back at the front.
Mclaren havent build a decent car in more than a decade even with hondas power unit they wouldn’t be any good.
Here is one: The Arrows years under Tom Walkinshaw. He bought the team, even bought the name rights back from Footwork, hired Damon Hill in 1997 but despite one highlight in Hungary never delivered. Also fell victim to the "nigerian prince scheme" (sorry I could not resist) and later failed due to bad business practices despite having some strong sponsorships.
One hype train that was absolutely disastrous that should've been on this list was Toyota's go around in F1. A team that poured so much in terms of resources, time, effort, and so on into that works team only to be derailed by Japanese auto manufacturer's own hubris and stubborn approach of doing things "the Toyota way" rather than learning to adapt and listening to people on the ground in the team.
That’s an interesting one because they weren’t a *bad* team, comparable to McLaren-Honda or BAR’s first season. It seemed like they were always on the cusp of breaking through but just couldn’t do it. Too bad their final car - completed just as the team shut down - never got to race.
@@zombiedodge1426 Not just that but it's also interesting because of how they always got in their own way. For example, the team was forced the corporate board in Aichi, Japan to switch from Michelin rubber to Bridgestone because Toyota brass wanted to partner with the Japanese company over the French one. This is was despite the fact that the car was designed around using the Michelin tire compounds than Bridgestone ones and the team in Germany strongly being against the change to the harder Bridgestone tires.
@@GreenHornet553 They also inexplicably set up shop in Germany instead of England.
@@zombiedodge1426 If I recall, isn't that the exact same shop in Cologne that they operated their Le Mans effort from 1998 and 1999 and do now with their current WEC effort?
@@RACECAR It is, but Toyota Team Europe was originally set up for WRC operations in 1979.
For people who thought AM should be on the list, the list only consisted of projects that had already ended due to their downfall. AM is still in F1, had solid plans to improve for the next 5 years. The managers are still getting their heads around their new role. Who knows, maybe AM would make a radical concept in their next big upgrade or next year that would make them a front runner. Either way, it’s too early to decide after only 2 races.
2021 wasn’t massively brilliant for them either. P4 in 2020 to P7. I want to believe in Aston, I want to see this brand resurrect itself from years of debt. However, it’s almost one flop after another, I really wish they can turn it around
Agree but so far they're not looking to be on the right track Rather than Mercedes or RBR, they appear to be heading down the Jaguar or Lotus route, I doubt we'll see the Aston name in F1 by 2026.
As long as Daddy Stroll’s ego is high, the team aint going nowhere
Well they're off to a flying start this year
What I would add on my list? Some options, but probably some of them wasn't such hyped as mentioned in video, but what I have in my mind:
BRM P15 with V16 engine
ATS (italian one) from 1960s when some engineers and drivers left Ferrari to create new team
Andretti at McLaren in 1993
new teams in 2010 (mostly Virgin and Lotus maybe not something big, but there was some hope for them)
but you have to admit that 1.5 litre supercharged V16 sounded pretty sweet.
Montoya at Williams was fantastic 👍 such an aggressive driver
He was awesome! Losing to ferrari back in the day was no shame whatsoever.
incredible driver, incredibly unpleasant as well. montoya was a cunt, but you gotta respect his race craft. he was outright phenomenal
Crashed into other people all the time. Yes, he was fast, but you gotta finish a race first before you can win a race, let alone a championship.
He just lacked the chassis and the drive. If he had a better mindset and worked harder on applying himself to F1, it probably would've gotten closer to winning, and if his 2003 car was better and his 2005 car didn't keep trying to blow up, I'm certain he would've won (2003 more so, 2000's Kimi was very very fast)
When the car actually finished it was almost always a podium or win.
The walrus Williams may have had a bad performance, but I unironically love how it looks.
me too man
@@raisedahell5165 idk why, it might be because it was in the F1 2004 game, but god damn, I see that car, I click like.
Me too, I have an RC Willy Walrus
Heikki Kovalainen and Vandoorne came into F1 with huge expectations and neither did anything of note.
If BAR is on the list, then surely Toyota HAVE to get a mention
Also JEAN ALESI!!! Labelled as a future World Champion and looked mega at Tyrell, went on to get 1 lucky race win and never got close to the hype
I'd argue they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. They were both demolished by two of the best drivers of all time when they were still very inexperienced, and barely had a second chance (Kovalainen) or no second chance at all (Vandoorne)
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303 If you want to be in F1 you have to compete against the best, being beaten 18-0 in qualifying for Vandoorne was poor.
Kovalainen was at Renault when their form dipped, but even against Fisichella he didn't shine
@@thomasknights9461 Vandoorne wasn't helped either by the typical McLaren politics, nor the fact that he always got the worst parts, since Alonso 'deserved' only the best.
Alesi also had quite a lot of bad luck. He came in 91, when ferrari started its downfall, then left in 95 in exchange of schumi, when ferrari was the best of the rest. Michael took with him the best engineers and mechanic at benetton, and the team couldn't provide him a car as great as the 94 or 95 one, so he still was in team which was the best of the rest
He is basically like alonso from 2013 onwards. Great driver with a lot of talent, but made poor decisions and had bad luck with the cars
vandoorne has atleat won Fe
Renault failed everything around 2011, except… that… livery… what a beauty, can’t we get that back?
they were in transition to lotus...wernt helped by sacking heidfeld mid season
It reminded me of the John Player Lotus livery
@@80nodrog indeed! One of the best livery’s!
@@gigsawsoljier1408 Indeed, wtf was that? The guy was outdoing Petrov too when he was kicked (Hungary I think it was).
I was ecstatic when BAR tried to run two different liveries. I am of the opinion that F1 cars should be identifiable at a quick glance; we shouldn't have to squint to see tiny numbers or try to make out what helmet it is (especially since they've grown less graphic and more detailed). We shouldn't have to try and guess which Alpha Tauri has gone off track, or if it's Leclerc or Sainz who managed to overtake... which Red Bull?
It needn't be as different as BAR - a different rear wing and airbox would do the trick, or an additional stripe, or huge, visible numbers.
Things I would add to the list:
-KERS in 2009
-Cangoroo TV for the fans at the circuit (does anyone remember? 😂)
-Hockenheim’s track redesign to make it more attractive for F1
-The shootout qualifying format
-Sebastien Bourdais’ appearance in F1
Suddenly, the distinctive noise on the Lotus makes alot more sense in retrospect. Sure the cars with the Exhaust-Blown Diffuser had a distinct noise in general, but the Lotus in particular as it flew past at full speed always sounded just that tiny bit different to my ears then the others did.
I know it benefits from being more recent but it's hard to beat the McLaren-Honda revival of 2015. Furthermore coupled with Alonso's return to the team.
I have a feeling current Mercedes small side pots is like Walrus BMW Williams those days, good concept, but doesn't really work in practical
Mansell's 1995 stint with McLaren would've been my pick that wasn'ti included on this list.
They probably couldn't 'fit' it in.
@@PlasticBagForAHelmet I see what you did there :)
It's still nuts to think the dominant Mercedes traces back to that chaotic 1999 BAR season.
Older than that. BAR was founded by taking over the venerable Tyrrell team.
The majority being from late 90s to early 00s shows what a great period it was, despite the results showing Schumacher won everything.
Montoya crashed into Kimi at the USGP in 2006 at Indy on lap 1 by the 2nd corner. That might also have contributed to his early exit from McLaren. Remember that McLaren was carrying the flag for Mercedes-Benz at the time.
McLaren was Mercedes in all but name then. McLaren-Mercedes ... Mercedes engines, funding and paying drivers wages.
I remember the hype around Jaguar in winter ‘99, especially as Stewart had been pretty good that year. Disaster. Looked more like BAR than Stewart.
I think Toyota´s massive investment and failure, would deserve a place in this category and video.
i thought that was number one
Given this starts around 1996/97 with Prost, how is the “Mastercard Lola” project not here! 😅 To make it a dozen, Cristiano Da Matta was very much hyped as well.
Most of the people watching this probably weren't watching F1 then , but great call with Lola , what were they like 20 seconds off the qualifying pace and got done on the 107% rule ?
Given how late they decided to enter and build their car for 1997 along with their questniable sponsorship deal with Mastercard, I think most people saw them as underdogs rather than hyping them up.
@@gamefan56 they still should be on this list , it was a total joke , although in fairness the car sponsorships scheme did look good .
I'd suggest USF1's 2010 entry too 😂
The loss of active suspension had to be a huge error from the FIA.
I was a fan of those fragile pirelli tyres because it did make racing more interesting and we had 7 different winners in the first 7 races in 2012.
7:53 Schumi went to Mercedes to help build a good team and create a great car. Which they did, and Brawn and Wolff have said this on multiple occasions. Even Hamilton said this recently.
The Schumi-Mercedes years where never meant to be their championship winning years.
Watching a lot of races from 1994-1996, there were a lot of comments about how good Frentzen was supposed to be (favorable comparisons to Schumacher included) so I imagine him winning just one race at Williams qualifies here
BAR guys were right just like 20 years ahead of their time 😅
Just 10, and then 15
Top for me has to be Mclaren Honda back in for 2015. Dismal. Alonso and Vettels stints at Ferrari both worth a mention too imo.
I'd say Toyota's recent entry deserves a mention.
Especially for their debut season in 2002. For god's sake, they finished behind a heavily underfunded and underpowered Minardi! Toyota spent over 500 mil. $ a season and couldn't win a single race in 8 years, that's pathetic!
@@Srga91 That's because much like Ford, they threw alot of money at it without understanding what they were throwing their money at (though with Ford it was just sheer ignorance, whereas Toyota it was more through arrogance). Much like Chrysler, they basically got in their own way.
@@RACECAR I know, they were thinking a big budget is all they need to succeed. It also seems like Lawrence Stroll is now making the same mistake with Aston Martin.
Jaguar and Aston Martin both raced in British racing both have had massive PR both have a lot of money invested in em both have had movie liveries hopefully Aston Martin doesn't become Jaguar
Both have/had Ferrari drivers who came close to winning the title with the scuderia
Hopefully Asston falls apart soon, someone competent should own that team
@@brkicaleksandar11 You hope for that?
@@T16MGJ The Strolls shouldn't be near F1
@@brkicaleksandar11 hate on stroll Sr. all you want, but atleast do some research on him lol. He has a history of turning failing companies into profit making corporations.
He is proper petrol head and owns a race track. He is not some owner who doesn’t care. The amount of investment he is putting ( new HQ, wind tunnel, R&D) is impressive. They will be successful or at the sharp end of the grid within 10yrs.
I remember jaguar saying they were going to win races and challenge for championships straight away before they competed, right then I knew they weren’t going to be successful, even one of my friends said they are throwing a lot of money at it, I said to him there’s more to f1 than just spending money, Ferrari has one of the biggest budgets and have been in f1 since the start but even they get beaten
BAR being actually very good in the 2nd half of 2003 gets no mention…rip
BAR did get P2 in 2004....even with sato as it's no2
2022 Mercedes is overhyped
opposite?
Overhyped? They’re getting rinsed lol
Yes
There was no hype to begin with
No sidepods design was hyped wasn't it
This video feels more like a '10 bad times for drivers/teams' than 10 things that didn't live up to the hype.
Would have been a more interesting video if there were more tracks and rule changes that didn't go well such as the original trip to Las Vegas, or the Yeongam circuit never living up to the hype of being a full blown street circuit.
Good video but it suffers from recency bias. Michael Andretti at McLaren, and Porsche’s catastrophic return to F1 with Footwork/Arrows, should have been included.
The Jaguar never could keep up but I loved the racing green design always hoped for them to improve as a kid and Irvine is an awesome driver as well what a shame
The FIA Tyre Specification. It’s obvious Pirelli could design a better tyre if they were allowed to.
Does it annoy anyone else how Pirelli prints its logo flat on the tire instead of letting it curve with the tire radius? I know it’s a small niggle. But it really does irk me.
How about that Elf car with four wheels in the front? 😁
What about Nick Wirth, Virgin Racing and their CFD designed car that was going to show Adrian Newey how it's really done 😄😄
Schumacher did have some really bad reliability in fairness. The wheel not being put on correctly in China 2012 (?) cost Merc a 1-2. Plus he had moments in quali where he outperformed the car something fierce.
But yeah. He was well past his prime. But everything considered he still wasn't as bad as some make out. Especially given that Rosberg and Lewis weren't as far apart as people thought they were. Between 2010-2012 we had no idea where Rosberg was.
You could've flown the red arrows from the Silverstone air show into the gap of the nose of that Williams
Degrading tyres didn't live up to the hype?
The 2011 - 2013 seasons were some of the most entertaining F1 seasons of recent years with a massive upsurge in overtaking*. The tyres were now a relevant part of strategy since drivers who pushed the tyres too hard had to pit more often.
*yes I know DRS played its part but the overtaking dropped in 2014 and 2015 when they made the tyres more durable.
Perhaps they were referring to on track overtakes
I’d also nominate Damon Hill at Jordan as not living up to the hype. The 1996 world champion joined Jordan for 1998 and despite a poor start for Jordan in 1998, the appointment of Mike Gascoygne as technical director seemed to turn things around with Jordan moving from bottom of the championship to 4th plus a 1-2 finish in Belgium, so there was a lot of hype around the Jordan 199 the following season with Damon being joined by Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Damon being seen as a possible championship contender. However, the season never got going for Damon. He never got on with the new and harder Bridgestone 4 grooved tyres and while Frentzen did win races and was a realistic contender for the title until his retirement at the Nurburgring finishing the season with 54 pts, good enough for 3rd in the championship, Damon could only muster 7 points and a 12th place finish in the championship (the same points and position he achieved with Arrows in 1997), scoring points on just 4 occasions, failing to finish 9 of the 16 races including voluntarily retiring the car at his final Grand Prix in Japan.
his 99 season was woeful
The Lotus-Pratt&Whitney turbine car. The 6-wheel Tyrrell. Alesi at Ferrari. Capelli at Ferrari. James Hunt at Wolf. Brabham-Alfa Romeo. The Caesar Palace circuit.
6:00 can we just appreciate the aesthetics of the late 90s/early 2000s CART cars? Simple wing, low nose, no top intake… that’s what an open wheeler should look like. Just lovely.
Schumacher was never meant to fight for titles when he returned with Mercedes, he was just there to have fun & develop the team.
I think Schumacher was there to have fun, not to win. I also think that Schumachers biggest strength was removed from F1 then. He was a genius in strategies including refuelling because he always made the opposite to his opponents in order to win
Matt Gallagher from WTF1 watching this with his heart in his mouth after jumping on the Ferrari bandwagon.
I remember when Michael Schumacher back to F1 in 2010.
I now remember Vitaly Petrov was an F1 driver.
Frentzen at Williams never got close to it's full potential!
2:08 Mercedes non existing side pod is the new Williams front wing
Jaguar was a complete disaster. Irvine was right about the "management". BAR was a disaster, but then ended up becoming BrawnGP and eventually Mercedes. To think Honda was that close to a championship.
Unpopular opinion: The walrus williams is the best "looking" f1 car ever.
I guess tyres are complicated, but it is unbelievable how a key performance component like that can be left to hold back the performance of F1 cars (and F1 racing) for so long. All everyone has ever wanted to see is a flat-out fight, yet tyre saving has been dominant for such a long time.
@@valerierodger7700 I agree Valerie, it would be nice to see strategy employed whilst cars are racing at their maximum. The dull period of a race where cars are waddling around on high fuel protecting their tyres has never been a highlight, yet when everything speeds up for the last 20 laps we actually see a race. Look at Albon last weekend on the hards. He was going faster each lap as the fuel burned off. It sounds like he enjoyed it, and I can say it was a great strategy to watch. Hopefully we see more teams make use of this durable option.
i wonder how that renault forward exhaust would work with the current cars? i doubt its legal but i wonder if it wouldve worked
2:12 "Mid season"?? that looks pretty 3/4 season to me. Theres no need to round-down when mid season was 4 races prior to them changing the nose with only 5 races to go. I know im being OCD but its little things like this that bring the videos down in quality
Imagine if Prost would have kept the Honda engines and had Trulli and Panis all year round in 1997 (rather than a Japanese paid driver and then switching to inferior engines)...could have been the midfield over achiever for many more years!
True,but sadly the entire Prost GP deal was built on support from the French governent supporting Prost so sadly keeping the Mugen Honda engines over going with Peugeot was never an option.
This is the best F1 channel on TH-cam imo
I still have a feeling that Renault just stopped developing the R31 car because of the sudden absence of Robert Kubica, who was scheduled to drive this car in 2011, but couldn't due to his rally accident in pre-season. So it might also be a third factor. So far we've seen two good results of the car that was basically built with intention to let Kubica drive it and who knows, maybe if he had some better results if not the accident, then maybe the Renault team would develop the car further more during the season?
Just speculating, you know.
Toyota needs to be up there as well. They had the biggest budget and possibly the best wind tunnel of all the teams and didn't achieve anything, besides a couple of podiums. I still can't believe they finished dead last behind MINARDI in 2002!
I'd change 'BAR' to 'Jacques Villeneuve at BAR', because after he departed they showed that the team had potential, finishing 2nd in the WCC in 2004 (once Honda started to get more involved). Classic case of oversell and underachieve, starting with claiming they'd win the championship in '99 (with an underpowered engine 🤣🤣).
the 1971 lotus 56B never worked as expected
Mclaren has had repeated problems with drivers they're not enthused about. They also did to JPM what they did to Checo later.
At least they now have 2 good drivers
@@nathanjansen2695 Montoya and Perez were also good drivers, but the cars they drove, as well as the one Norris and Ricciardo drive this year, were just not good enough
Montoya was so underrated at Williams
He and along with Nigel Mansell two of the most entertaining "Anything can happen" F1 drivers in the known Universe.
Could you imagine a second Schumacher dominance period if someone had made him more assured that the three years grinding concepts (blown front wing aka double DRS and FRIC anyone) would've lead to a strong 2013 car and then a head start against other teams into the V6 era.
I don't think he would have been able to fight for the title. Rosberg already beat him 3/3 years, and michael was 40+. Adapting to completely new cars is hard, especially the older you are. Every driver, even the ones with the most longevity (lewis, michael, alonso, kimi) start to get out of their primes when they are around 35 years old
It'd be like saying "imagine if prost stayed with williams after 93"
@@oj7177 Prost was great in 1993. What do you mean?
@@chamindujanith6337 that he was already in his late stages of his career, and age would have been one of the declining factors. Look at schumi, kimi, hakkinen, vettel, alonso, and also a bit lewis. They aren't in their primes anymore, and it's hard to think they'd be able to adapt to new cars and perform at 110% for 20+ races year after year. They can from time to time prove their value, but being consistent is the hard part
That's why i don't think schumi would have been able to win other titles even if he had stayed at merc for 2014-16
@@oj7177 Prost actually beat Hill 14-2 in qualifying and 99-69 in points in 1993. That's one of his best years even though it was the best car. Especially considering Hill challenged for championships in 1994, 1995 and 1996. Another good example is Mansell in 1992 who also dominated to win the championship that year in his final full-year. Beat Patrese 14-2 in qualifying and 108-56 in points. Prost and Mansell are two of the rare drivers who hadn't declined when they left the sport.
@@chamindujanith6337 i didn't say they retired when they had a decline, what i'm saying is that even just 1 year can make a big difference in the driver's performances. I don't think they would have been able to keep that level for other 3 or 4 years. Lewis in 2020 had his best year stat wise, but in 2021 we could see he had a bit of a "slump"
McLaren-Honda still makes me sad to think about. Senna is and always will be my favourite driver, and McLaren-Honda with that iconic Marlboro livery (specifically the MP4/5) will forever be the GOAT car for me.
Complete opposite ends of the spectrum, the highest of highs, and the lowest of lows. But in the 10s I was much more a Red Bull guy than a McLaren guy, so I have to hand it to Honda for being undeniably the most improved engine supplier of the turbo hybrid era. Completely different beast in the RB16B than it was in the MP4-31
Might have to remake this when AMR pulls out!! 😭
If BAR's debut season isn't on the list I'm gonna be upset.
(Watches video)
I'm not upset!
I enjoyed every mediocre minute of Eddie Irvine's career after he stole Mika Salo's first career win and then still didn't win the championship.
As a huge Kimi fan, Kimi's 2nd stint at Ferrari. Mediocrity almost entirely across the board until 2018. I simply couldn't believe someone who had regularly challenged for wins and podiums in the Lotus E20/E21 cars (as the dark horse almost always lurking in the background) could then almost immediately be so many tenths behind in qualifying and always finish lower down the grid than his teammates almost every single time. I just couldn't believe it. If ALO was 4th, RAI was 8th. ALO 5th, RAI 10th. VET 2nd, RAI 4th. Hardly ever did he finish ahead. And he was always .25s off in qualifying, at least. 2018 was some redemption for 2014-17, but it just wasn't enough. I'm honestly surprised he had the willpower to carry on with Alfa for three seasons beyond that.
i mean it was alonso.. vettel... as team mate raikkonen never really excelled at ferrari. 2007 was a fluke mixed with the whole mclaren inner deamons. 2008 massa was top 2009 massa well lead till his acident
I was wondering when the obsession with tyre deg in F1 started. Well now I know. Happened at a time where I was not following F1 and I didn't remember it being so crucial watching it as a kid. Wish the FIA got rid of the Pirelli monopoly and stopped controlling tyres options so closely. They should focus their regulations to safety purposes only, and let the teams instead pick their tyres and strategies freely. Wish they at least got rid of the rule forcing teams to use 2 different types of compounds in a dry race, that just introduces artificial element to the strategy and makes it about the rules rather than the racing.
Drive to Survive - Season 4
I remember being absolutely psyched when Vettel moved to Ferrari, and I fully expected him to build that team and become a new Schumacher… but Ferrari’s bullshit never ends. If the tifosi could get their head out of their asses, they’d win every year.
you know, I don't wish Ferrari on anyone. they can build a great car and have excellent drivers, but the team on a whole doesn't race very well. they're likely to fumble half of their pitstops, and goof on pit strategy when the cars do hold up
Everything ever in every pre season testing, especially if its mentioned by the pundits!
What about the zero sidepods Mercedes came up with? During testing everyone was all like "Oh here we go again. The season is over now!"
There are quite a few faces smeared with yolk and eggshells around.
I was expecting to see Aston Martin on this list.
BAR were starting to live up to the hype during the Prodrive era, then Honda took over and it was all downhill from there.
BMW with Robert Kubica had a lot of hype in 2008 which never quite materialized.
f1 is going to lose thousands of fans if the 2022 ferarri ends up becoming overhyped
6:37
"Hey, Renault, that is not the right way to race."
"But I took a right turn?"
"That is your left."
"Hah, lols"
If you want to get great racing... ban race engineers, telemetry and any tool used to predict scenarios. You need to make things unpredictable.
02:43 sounds like Aston Martin at the moment
The 2022 season can be added to the list as well.
4:31 Nice Lada sponsor on the Renault
Renault owns Lada
@@blackshadow7192 I mean, I know using your F1 cars to advertise one of your brands is a good move, but Lada doesn't seem the sportiest of brands exactly. (Even if they did once have a rally team)
Imagine if Renault had changed team name to Lada instead of Alpine!
Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger, Benetton 1996. When Michael Schumacher joined Ferrari in 1996, Jean Alesi and Gerhard Berger moved the opposite way to Benetton, who with Schumacher had just recorded their first championship double the previous year (winning 11 out of the 17 races in 1995). Along with how Schumacher would do at Ferrari, there was huge interest in how Alesi and Berger, both still highly rated at the time, would perform with the reigning Constructors Champions. However, the combination didn't work and the car concept that Schumacher had worked to 9 wins the previous year didn't suit the driving styles of either of them. The result was a huge step down with the team scoring 0 wins for the first time since 1988, and worse, although more reliable than Schumacher's Ferrari, the team lost second in the championship to Ferrari and were over 100 points behind Williams.
As a matter of fact, for the rest of their time in F1, Benetton would only record 3 pole positions and 1 win (Berger took pole and the win at Hockenheim in 1997, Alesi took pole at Monza in 1997 and Fisichella claimed a fortunate pole in Austria 1998, by being the last driver to set a lap time as the weather conditions, wet at first, improved and he was last to complete his fastest lap)
geez what are you trying to say...
putting this out just before the new albert park
Interesting that two of the top teams today - Red Bull Racing and Mercedes-AMG F1 - had dubious pasts as the mediocre Jaguar and BAR, respectively.
I thought you would have included this years sidepodless Mercedes, shocking car at the moment , bring back the side pods please.
J. P. Monte loved to crash. He crashed into a dryer truck in Nascar while under caution.
Looking at the title fight between Red Bull and Mercedes, isn’t it mad that this is the same as a title fight between Jaguar and BAR
Aston Martin to be added in 3-4 years time?? (also Toyota F1 should be on the list)
Didn't age well
I don´t now...i like this "Walrus Nose" from Williams, in my opinion this car looks good.
0:48 top 10 last names ever
Aston Martin didn't make the list, what????
Bit early to call it when it is only their second season.
That said the late 50´es Aston Martin F1 entry does deserve a spot on the list.
I wanted so many of these things to turn out good!