@@powdamunki Yup. Mine costs about £10 for over 200 miles, the old men who don’t understand the future won’t listen though. They probably still use VHS !!!!
I'm sorry Tony, I have to disagree with you, that Jag looks just looks every other SUV. Theres hardly any style to modern vehicles these days. In my youth you could tell a Jag, SAAB, Ford, Vauxhall etc. A mile away. The individuality has gone.
I suspect an EV is for people who have solar panels on the roof , charge the car at home and just pop to Tesco once a week . A ten mile round trip .😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
… and spend the whole year smugly virtue signalling to everyone how saintly they are not to drive a diesel. (Which they’ve probably got at the back of the garage if they need to do a long trip)
Yep, close enough! The average car trip in the Uk is 8.4 miles. 80% of Uk residents live in houses and bungalows and the majority have a drive way and/or garage. 5% have solar power, with 20% projected by 2030. Ev’s are NOT specifically mandated by current UK regulations. You have until 2035 to try and change that policy. I doubt this channel is of any use in that noble quest…
Not really, we made the switch to a Jaguar iPace earlier this year, on lease through my workplace so very tax efficient. Sure, it will suffer massively due to depreciation at the moment, but I don't care as I've got it for 42 months at a bargain price, in fact taking everything into account, it's costing me less than to keep my previous 10 year old diesel on the road. So prior to the change my wife and I both had diesel Jags, but I'm working from home 3 days a week so we figured we could keep 1 for the odd occasion we both needed a car and share the use of the iPace. We haven't changed the way we drive, so it's doing anywhere between 50-100 miles a day. We've done a few longer trips, up to 200 miles in one day, but nothing that's meant having to fill up at a public charging point which means I'm getting about 230 miles of range for around £6 by topping up overnight on an EV electricty tariff - a fraction of what it was costing in diesel. EVs are definitely not for everyone, but this is by far the best car I've ever driven, and I've had some nice cars, but it suits me perfectly.
If Geoff and Lee don’t invite you on their US road trip then they’re definitely missing a trick. It would be f ing hilarious. Keep it up Tony, great content.
Big Jag fan. The iPace is one of the better looking milk floats after all it is a mildly re styled F Pace. Still useless of course. They are stopping making it. They have also stopped all their petrol engines effectively committing suicide. Tragedy. I have a 3 year old F Pace SVR - 5 litre V8. Cost £81k - £10k more than that ipace new. Its value now is at least £50k so that has dropped £31 - bad, but cars like this always do but nowhere near as catastrophic as that milk float By the way if you are in a proper F Pace, you put it in adaptive cruise control and it follows the traffic stopping and starting as necessary- brilliant.
My Land Cruiser prado put the camera on automatically once the speed drops to 10. It shows the side, front and back of the car. You can push a button and stop the camera from coming on unless you reverse or switch to 4L then the terrain camera also comes on. But I prefer to have the camera come on as it is really handy when your maneuvering in tight spots and want to know where the corners of your car are without having to manually put the camera on. As for adaptive cruise control, my LC 150 has that also, nothing special to the Jag, many cars have that now. 200 mile range is disgustingly low. Fill my car up with diesel and I am good for 900k.
I pace's have been huge disaster for LJR, they have battery failure, they've caught fire while on charge etc - so much so Jaguar did a update telling owners not to charge them close to your home incase it bursts into flames but also stopped the effected cars charging above 70%, so now loads of dealers have them in for battery replacements imagine waking up and discovering jaguar have taken away 30% of your already crap range
I used the magic words and drum roll.....a jaguar i-pace battery pack replacement cost is 37'500£ on a car that cost 69'995£ a pretty expensive disposable smartphone on wheels
200 miles would use 12.75 li of diesel for my Mazda 2, ie just under 20 quid. EVs are only any good for commuting to work and charging from home overnight. If you cant do that, they're a waste of resources and money. Diesel rules and aways will coz HGVs, trains and ships need diesel. Anyone that thinks you can run those on batteries needs a place in a mental home.
@@johnathanpearson3203 Yep, at 75 mph/120kmph. Same run to their airport and back several dozen times. Best was 3.8li/100km, ie 74.3 mpg. Worst 4.2li/100km, ie 67.3mpg.
@@powdamunki Dear Ignoramus, let me educate you coz you have no idea what you are talking about: 1. The Oil Industry has been estimating the oil reserves to be 50 yrs since the '70s. Its still 50 yrs + 17 yrs of oil that we currently cant reach. We find new oil or are able to reach more existing oil at the same rate as we use every year. 2. As the EV evangelists buy more EVs the requirement for petroleum decreases (as long as petroleum products are not being used to generate wiggly amps), thus leaving more for diesel users. There could be 100s of years left. 3. a. My little diesel burning Mazda makes less CO2 than a BMW mini. b. It produces virtually no NOX due to being a low compression diesel. c. It has an EGR and a DPF and makes no soot. The exhaust is as clean as the day I purchased it 8 yrs ago. I have no issues with what comes out of my exhaust, but I do have issues with the nonsense that comes out of your pie-hole.
So you missed the later news that the guy who claimed it ran away with him was arrested and charged with attempting to evade a speeding charge. He made the whole thing up.
78% tank on my Citroën C4 diesel would give me over 600 miles. But then again, you are making your 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% effort to save the planet.
@@stevewest131 You conveniently forget the greater cost of the EV, increased insurance, cost of public charging, increased repair costs, plumitting resale value, greater tyre wear, range anxiety. But who cares? You can do your daily trip to buy bread by charging at home.
@@williamgeorgefraser A used EV costs about the same as an ICE My insurance is slightly cheaper for the EV than my diesel was, I know it is sometimes more for the high performance EVs Public charging - never needed to do it Repair costs - my repair costs so far are zero Range anxiety - My EV has 300 mile range. I haven't gone further than that in a day so far. Many newer EVs have 400 miles range, that's a lot to drive in a day.
If you go into a review negatively, easy to pick fault. Not a realistic review. I get 260 on average for my range, and it costs 2.5p per.mile as I always charge it at home on an EV tariff! This equates to £6.50 for 260 miles. I drive normal, when I drive hard I get 210miles. Handles super well and I’ve had loads of cars in my life, and this just works so well. On the occasions where I need more than 250miles a day without going home! Fast chargers are expensive, but so rare, overall cost is then mitigated. Huge win for me, as I get 45p per mile back for my business travel! Win win, great car in my opinion! Enjoyed your honest personal review though… everyone to their own eh?!
@@keithjohnson6510 80 litre tank, 2016 ford territory, average on long distance driving 7.4 km’s per 100km’s. I Around town, 9.2km’s per 100km’s, awd 2.3 ton diesel, don’t have to like facts, but facts!
@@TooOldToCare-kl3co Eh!!!, how is 80 litres equal £40, 80 litres is about £124, what was you referring too when you said "For the same cost as that",. Again like I said, unless your getting 90mpg out of your 2.3 ton diesel, nothing you said make any sense.
@@TooOldToCare-kl3co Not that it matters!!, a quick google and Diesel in Sydney today average $1.95 per litre, 80 litres = $156, or £82, still not £40 like. Also paying £40 to charge a car is a rip-off anyway, so your initial reaction of shock is totally valid, but saying you can do (600miles) for the same price might be a slight miss calculation even for Aus.. If your an EV public chargers are something you avoid, as charging from home you get more like 400Mpg equiv in the UK, I can show you the calculations for that if you wish.. Recently went from the North of the UK to Switzerland, public charging made my average Mpg more like 75Mpg, not as good as home charging, but still not terrible. The charger this guy used was probably like 79p per Kwh, a total rip off, maybe use in an emergency, but that's it.
I couldn't live without A/C, but it's crap like electric door handles and keyless entry on EV's that I don't get. At least the Citroen eBerlingo is still started with a conventional key that you turn in an ignition barrel !
I'm so pleased I found your channel. It just backs up my thoughts on milk floats. No, no and no again. Keep up the great work, living in the real world. All the best.
@@gillasall2242Correct, no one cares about how much plant food is produced. Just look at the Paris Olympics with their HVAC free accommodation of which many countries have basically said , " great initiative but all the same we will bring along our own HVAC units for our athletes". 😂
64% deprecation- that’s nuts - also I wonder after three years of fast charging etc what the battery degradation is - I reckon in another 3-4 years the range will be less than a 100miles on a full battery
Petrolhead till my dying day brother. Love Jags, they’re quality machines. Love my Mini Cooper Sport more though. Series of tight bends coming up? Foot down on the fast pedal and round we go. Can’t beat the sound of the turbo kicking in. Vroooom!
I drive a 3-year old F-Pace and a few days ago I was parked next to an I-Pace and had a long chat with the owner and found out that is was just a week younger than mine. He had owned it from new, done some 45,000 miles and that it's range had dropped to around 140 miles on a full charge. He was going to replace it with an F-Pace!...Say's it all...
I'd suggest thays bollocks. If his battery had degraded by that much he would have the right to a brand new battery, for free. The battery is covered by an 8 year warranty, so why would your mate accept that maybe, because you made it up.
So, go about 155 miles and then have to sit there for 45 minutes waiting for it to charge up. Stuff that for a game of soldiers. When I stop at services on a long journey. I am there 15 minutes tops. Future my arse.
Tony I like what you do but you are very brave slating the industry who are paying your bills .😊 I'm surprised the dealers who feed you these delivery jobs haven’t twigged yet that you are ultimately damaging their sales figures ⚠️ Keep up the good work and telling the truth 👏
My four year old iPace, in July, starts at around 275 miles on a full charge ( = 214 @ 78%) and I probably get around 250 on mixed road driving, so looking at that (low) number of 163 miles range, I would say roads and driving style of the most frequent driver of that vehicle will have had an influence. As with any vehicle, the faster you go, the more fuel you will use.
If those monstrosities are a 'Jag', then so is the keyboard I'm writing this on! Effing awful things and an insult to the marque (I won't use the word 'brand' as that's marketing speak!)
Got a milk float and love it. Ridiculously fast, comfy, quiet and much more. Coming from German cars including Porsches it’s the fastest car I’ve driven. Plus absolutely peanuts to run, no road tax or servicing costs plus gives me cheap off peak electricity. One caveat… you have to be able to home charge. Costs me 25 quid every thousand miles! And can put up with the 3-4 times a year I public charge. Horses for courses.
has the Jag done 140.000 miles Tony? if so thats about 31p per mile for the £44.000 depreciation in it, let alone if one cell went rogue whats the cost of new set of milkfloat batteries £14,300 as you say they are not the future
As an EV & ICE owner (for none green reasons :) ), here is my unbiased advice, take or leave as you wish. Another area EV's gain is charging from home @7p, your then getting equiv 400+ mpg. If you can't charge from home, I would say get an ICE instead. Public chargers prices are stupid, unless Tesla Superchargers, there more sensible, about 35p even less during off peak times, the most I've paid is 47p on the M11 at peak time, so even on the most expensive it's 50+ mpg equiv in an SUV sized vehicle, Model Y. Drove from the North of England to Switzerland last week, 1600 mile round trip, averaged about 80 mpg equiv using the superchargers. But 95% of my driving is charged from home so the 400+ is the norm, but if you do lots of long distance driving, again I would say an ICE makes more sense totally down to public charger pricing. I think the current negative EV comments seem a little childish to be honest, both have Pro's and Con's, just pick the car that's right for you.
I did consider one of these instead of a new car, but it would be 3 years old, insurance is probably ridiculous and I'd defo need some sort of comprehensive extended warranty which would cost an arm and a leg. I went the easier route!
40 Pounds per day in depreciation. A Day. And do not forget - that Pace will continue now that it is in the second hand market. Any bets the 26900 pound used price will be 10000 next year?
This. I don't think most people understand cost per mile when you include depreciation. For some odd reason, people only look at fuel economy when they own a car. I don't get why.
@@fredfred2363 Overall operational cost per mile has always been my guiding factor. If I can get a vehicle down below 10 cents per mile, over say a 40000 mile life. it may as well be free. Most of the time if you do really well it may be 20 cents. If it is over 25 cents you are doing it wrong. But then again I drive a lot.
@@fredfred2363 Every car is a depreciating asset. Get a bike if you are really all about saving cost. Yes, the depreciation on EVs are bad. But it serves it purpose and fits some. Penny counting on a car becomes a dead sport after a while.
You need to go back to school me old mate. a full charge is 100% not 78%. An I-Pace on a full charge will do 250 miles. I know I've owned one for 4 years. And it handles beautifully and goes round corners like a roller skate. It'll see off many supercars as well.
It just shows the believed savings on using electricity is easily lost in the depreciation, my brother who is retired and drives 2000 miles a year states how great it is that he sold his F Pace for a Tesla and basically pays pence to charge at his home. What he fails to realise is that he could have filled a new F Pace for years against the depreciating price of his Tesla which he will never get the benefit from as he changes his vehicle every three years.
My bro brought a Tesla a few months after they first came out. He got rid of his Range Rover for it. It was quick,but apart from that a waste of money. He paid for a charging point in his home. 7 months later he sold it with a big loss. And brought himself another Range Rover. Can’t say no more than that 🤔
Still pretty good if you charge at home and use it to commute for groceries or shuttling kids to and from school. It needs to be very cheap though because it competes with used cheap ICE cars.
Gonna say I put £25.03p of diesel in my car yesterday got 192 miles extra in it, just a tiny bit under a quarter of a tank, on top of the 25 miles I already had in. I did that at a M&S petrol station, is that BP? I can't remember.
The epic depreciation is one of the good parts of JLR vehicles - it means the mugs who buy new (and all the company car schemes) essentially subsidise the owners sensibly buying them used.
@@garethonthetube Depends on the model and powertrain. Older XF were very reliable, XJ are mostly bulletproof. Discovery Sport petrol is fine but diesel has significant issues and plug-in will spend 60% of its life waiting for parts.
That sort of depreciation is normal on luxury cars ask Amy mercedes bmw lexus owner. .plus that not the depreciation figure at all because you have to remove 20% vat so the real depreciation is around 47% working on your figure except cinch will have give 20000 for the car if that much because at jaguar lease auction they are sell between 18 and 20 k .
Heater consumption isn't that high compared to driving. 1kW would run the heater quite happily and make virtually no difference to the range after several hours.
It would cost £26*44 in diesel to do 180 miles(4galls @45mpg) but my car would probably do better than 45 on that run as that is my commuting mpg. EVs future my arse.
The real world use of an EV as demonstrated by EV carnage shows just how much the media shills are incorrect about EV’s. The fully charged show springs to mind.
Totally disagree regarding handling. Prior the to car being released a professional Jaguar driver took me around very tight test track and the handling was unbelievable.
Made for traffic jams? How about when the outside temerature is below zero or approaching 30C? Freeze or cook or flatten the battery to the point where it won't move.
@@organickevinlondon nice cars but I think they're way over priced. what amazes me is she's had it 6 months and already lost 3 k on it she paid 13 can pick em up for 9 to 10 now 😮
Its a topic that just keeps giving isnt lol. Tbh an ev would suit our day to day needs and save us some money on fuel, we drive maybe 3k to 5k miles per year only though so the fuel saving is more or less lost in the extra cost of insurance over our old diesel that does 60mpg... The only reason id actually like having one is the smooth power and easy driving in traffic jams of which their are a lot these days. Ill stick to my cheap ebike though i think and keep the old diesel going ( which btw is low emissions so zero tax 😂)
One would expect that Jag to be 'one of the better ones' since it cost £70 bloody thousand quid! You used to be able to buy a HOUSE for that kind of money!
“Aha!”, say the EVangelists (or should that be dEVilists? Using the word angel seems inappropriate) You should have charged to 100% and you’d have got 300 miles! Hang on though, isn’t that Milk Float Rule number one, never charge fully or you’ll destroy the battery?
The Jag i-Pace has never been good on range. 200 miles @ 100% usually. It's a fast car that people drive like a Jag. So it's thirsty - like other sporty Jags. The charge to 80% is because it can take as long to go from 80% to 100% as it did to get to 80%. So we just move on at 80%. The myth about destroying the battery at 100% is only partly true if its left for weeks fully charged. That can cause some early degradation so we don't do that. We fill to 100% at home at the start of a trip and drive straight away to avoid being too long at that state of charge. Then go to 80% en-route as many times as needed. To fit in with a stop at 2 hours anyway for a 'comfort' break. Weird to me how people still invent negatives based on ancient misconceptions and refuse to update their knowledge base on modern EVs.
I bought a used petrol Seat Ibiza 1.4 Toca in 2019 for £5,500. I have since driven around 70,000 miles with no issues and only had its normal servicing. Since i use this vehicle for work, i also get capital allowance and have my earnings from the vehicle have been in excess of £200,000. Do i want to change to an EV????? No thank you.
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65% loss .So cheap to run eh?? Keep exposing the EV con Tony!!!
Thanks Yes 😊
The leasing company will claim that off their tax bill.
Had ipace for 3 years. Replaced my audi s4 and cost 4p/mile to run and way quicker. And no shit out of the back. Just saying
@@powdamunki Yup. Mine costs about £10 for over 200 miles, the old men who don’t understand the future won’t listen though. They probably still use VHS !!!!
@@powdamunkiOh dear what a terrible decision.
I'm sorry Tony, I have to disagree with you, that Jag looks just looks every other SUV. Theres hardly any style to modern vehicles these days. In my youth you could tell a Jag, SAAB, Ford, Vauxhall etc. A mile away. The individuality has gone.
All designed in the same wind tunnel...
As an EV, it's actually handsome, not as handsome as my XFS. Still a good car despite the EV'ness
I suspect an EV is for people who have solar panels on the roof , charge the car at home and just pop to Tesco once a week . A ten mile round trip .😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
… and spend the whole year smugly virtue signalling to everyone how saintly they are not to drive a diesel. (Which they’ve probably got at the back of the garage if they need to do a long trip)
Yup! That’s my relatives. Smart meter, jabbed, boosted and air whatever big fan heating. My arse.
Yep, close enough! The average car trip in the Uk is 8.4 miles. 80% of Uk residents live in houses and bungalows and the majority have a drive way and/or garage. 5% have solar power, with 20% projected by 2030. Ev’s are NOT specifically mandated by current UK regulations. You have until 2035 to try and change that policy. I doubt this channel is of any use in that noble quest…
Not really, we made the switch to a Jaguar iPace earlier this year, on lease through my workplace so very tax efficient. Sure, it will suffer massively due to depreciation at the moment, but I don't care as I've got it for 42 months at a bargain price, in fact taking everything into account, it's costing me less than to keep my previous 10 year old diesel on the road. So prior to the change my wife and I both had diesel Jags, but I'm working from home 3 days a week so we figured we could keep 1 for the odd occasion we both needed a car and share the use of the iPace. We haven't changed the way we drive, so it's doing anywhere between 50-100 miles a day. We've done a few longer trips, up to 200 miles in one day, but nothing that's meant having to fill up at a public charging point which means I'm getting about 230 miles of range for around £6 by topping up overnight on an EV electricty tariff - a fraction of what it was costing in diesel. EVs are definitely not for everyone, but this is by far the best car I've ever driven, and I've had some nice cars, but it suits me perfectly.
An expensive shopping trolley.
If Geoff and Lee don’t invite you on their US road trip then they’re definitely missing a trick. It would be f ing hilarious. Keep it up Tony, great content.
I'll second that.
Big Jag fan. The iPace is one of the better looking milk floats after all it is a mildly re styled F Pace. Still useless of course. They are stopping making it. They have also stopped all their petrol engines effectively committing suicide. Tragedy.
I have a 3 year old F Pace SVR - 5 litre V8. Cost £81k - £10k more than that ipace new. Its value now is at least £50k so that has dropped £31 - bad, but cars like this always do but nowhere near as catastrophic as that milk float
By the way if you are in a proper F Pace, you put it in adaptive cruise control and it follows the traffic stopping and starting as necessary- brilliant.
I love my f Pace SVR. It's tragic that they are stopping making the 5 litre V8. I hope they do a U turn.
I've got adaptive cruise on my £15000 Seat Leon.
@@davidadams5116 I've got adaptive cruise on my VW Golf estate.
@@ericrawson2909 Indian company, part of BRICS, UK is a dead-end for investment. It will only keep the design studio...for a while.
My Land Cruiser prado put the camera on automatically once the speed drops to 10. It shows the side, front and back of the car. You can push a button and stop the camera from coming on unless you reverse or switch to 4L then the terrain camera also comes on. But I prefer to have the camera come on as it is really handy when your maneuvering in tight spots and want to know where the corners of your car are without having to manually put the camera on.
As for adaptive cruise control, my LC 150 has that also, nothing special to the Jag, many cars have that now. 200 mile range is disgustingly low. Fill my car up with diesel and I am good for 900k.
FUTURE MY ARSE
Can you imagine waiting 45 minutes to nearly fill your car with petrol 🤣🤣
Exactly. Works for virtue signalling folks with their own drives and chargers but not if you have to use the motorway to charge.
Can you imagine not caring about the future and doing nothing to start helping.
@@gillasall2242 battery cars are not the future, you can't even recycle them
@@robinburn4974 oh ffs, yes you can, they are more recyclable than ICE cars !!! You lot are truly clueless, sorry, but you just are.
Of course you can recycle them
I pace's have been huge disaster for LJR, they have battery failure, they've caught fire while on charge etc - so much so Jaguar did a update telling owners not to charge them close to your home incase it bursts into flames but also stopped the effected cars charging above 70%, so now loads of dealers have them in for battery replacements
imagine waking up and discovering jaguar have taken away 30% of your already crap range
It's absolutely enormous and yet there's no usable space inside it.
... he wasn't going to buy one anyway.
I used the magic words and drum roll.....a jaguar i-pace battery pack replacement cost is 37'500£ on a car that cost 69'995£
a pretty expensive disposable smartphone on wheels
165 mile 😮my polo dose more than that with the fuel light on and the most I could lose on it is £3000
200 miles would use 12.75 li of diesel for my Mazda 2, ie just under 20 quid. EVs are only any good for commuting to work and charging from home overnight. If you cant do that, they're a waste of resources and money. Diesel rules and aways will coz HGVs, trains and ships need diesel. Anyone that thinks you can run those on batteries needs a place in a mental home.
You really get 70 mpg?
Wait and see what happens when it starts running out- and it already is. And the crap that comes out of the back of your car? Not an issue?
@@johnathanpearson3203 Yep, at 75 mph/120kmph. Same run to their airport and back several dozen times. Best was 3.8li/100km, ie 74.3 mpg. Worst 4.2li/100km, ie 67.3mpg.
@@powdamunki Dear Ignoramus, let me educate you coz you have no idea what you are talking about:
1. The Oil Industry has been estimating the oil reserves to be 50 yrs since the '70s. Its still 50 yrs + 17 yrs of oil that we currently cant reach. We find new oil or are able to reach more existing oil at the same rate as we use every year.
2. As the EV evangelists buy more EVs the requirement for petroleum decreases (as long as petroleum products are not being used to generate wiggly amps), thus leaving more for diesel users. There could be 100s of years left.
3. a. My little diesel burning Mazda makes less CO2 than a BMW mini.
b. It produces virtually no NOX due to being a low compression diesel.
c. It has an EGR and a DPF and makes no soot. The exhaust is as clean as the day I purchased it 8 yrs ago.
I have no issues with what comes out of my exhaust, but I do have issues with the nonsense that comes out of your pie-hole.
@@johnathanpearson3203 worked on a toyota auris that showed 69.4 mpg average
And you made it without it spontaneously shooting off down the road of it's own accord,a win win for you.
So you missed the later news that the guy who claimed it ran away with him was arrested and charged with attempting to evade a speeding charge. He made the whole thing up.
78% tank on my Citroën C4 diesel would give me over 600 miles.
But then again, you are making your 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% effort to save the planet.
lol how can you compare.
I didn’t realise it was that much 😂
600 miles in a diesel £110
600 miles in an EV £12
Never mind the planet save your hard earned cash my friend
@@stevewest131 You conveniently forget the greater cost of the EV, increased insurance, cost of public charging, increased repair costs, plumitting resale value, greater tyre wear, range anxiety. But who cares? You can do your daily trip to buy bread by charging at home.
@@williamgeorgefraser A used EV costs about the same as an ICE
My insurance is slightly cheaper for the EV than my diesel was, I know it is sometimes more for the high performance EVs
Public charging - never needed to do it
Repair costs - my repair costs so far are zero
Range anxiety - My EV has 300 mile range. I haven't gone further than that in a day so far. Many newer EVs have 400 miles range, that's a lot to drive in a day.
If you go into a review negatively, easy to pick fault. Not a realistic review. I get 260 on average for my range, and it costs 2.5p per.mile as I always charge it at home on an EV tariff! This equates to £6.50 for 260 miles. I drive normal, when I drive hard I get 210miles. Handles super well and I’ve had loads of cars in my life, and this just works so well. On the occasions where I need more than 250miles a day without going home! Fast chargers are expensive, but so rare, overall cost is then mitigated. Huge win for me, as I get 45p per mile back for my business travel! Win win, great car in my opinion! Enjoyed your honest personal review though… everyone to their own eh?!
I get that from £38 of fuel in my Hyundai. And it takes me less than 5 minutes to fill up.
For the same cost as that, I can drive my diesel 2.3 ton suv, over 950kms. (600 miles). Yeh, nah, I’ll keep my diesel.
So your averaging over 90 mpg, what SUV is this?
@@keithjohnson6510 80 litre tank, 2016 ford territory, average on long distance driving 7.4 km’s per 100km’s. I Around town, 9.2km’s per 100km’s, awd 2.3 ton diesel, don’t have to like facts, but facts!
@@TooOldToCare-kl3co Eh!!!, how is 80 litres equal £40, 80 litres is about £124, what was you referring too when you said "For the same cost as that",. Again like I said, unless your getting 90mpg out of your 2.3 ton diesel, nothing you said make any sense.
@@keithjohnson6510 Australia mate. diesel is cheaper here.
@@TooOldToCare-kl3co Not that it matters!!, a quick google and Diesel in Sydney today average $1.95 per litre, 80 litres = $156, or £82, still not £40 like. Also paying £40 to charge a car is a rip-off anyway, so your initial reaction of shock is totally valid, but saying you can do (600miles) for the same price might be a slight miss calculation even for Aus.. If your an EV public chargers are something you avoid, as charging from home you get more like 400Mpg equiv in the UK, I can show you the calculations for that if you wish.. Recently went from the North of the UK to Switzerland, public charging made my average Mpg more like 75Mpg, not as good as home charging, but still not terrible. The charger this guy used was probably like 79p per Kwh, a total rip off, maybe use in an emergency, but that's it.
Why do they keep fitting things like heated seats AC ect.When yo run these the range drops twice as fast.That is mental.
I couldn't live without A/C, but it's crap like electric door handles and keyless entry on EV's that I don't get. At least the Citroen eBerlingo is still started with a conventional key that you turn in an ignition barrel !
EV fit heated steering wheel and seats because it uses less battery power than heating the whole car.
@@chrissmith2114great your hands are warm but the rest of you is freezing 👌
@@happyguilmore4253 You need your hands to steer the car. The rest is gratuitous luxury 😛
I'm so pleased I found your channel. It just backs up my thoughts on milk floats. No, no and no again. Keep up the great work, living in the real world. All the best.
Milk floats with lipstick on
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#ShitYouCouldntMakeUp
I am out of touch £26,000 is a lot for that thing, its a ticking time bomb financially!
My neighbour drove his Mercedes suv diesel with a 100 ltr tank to Poland, and did not fill up, says it all 🤔
So he didn't put any fuel in the tank and set off for Poland?
Yes, and he produced over 200 kilos of Co2 by doing it. But let me guess, you don’t understand any of that ?
@@gillasall2242co2 = plant food
@@gillasall2242Who cares
@@gillasall2242Correct, no one cares about how much plant food is produced. Just look at the Paris Olympics with their HVAC free accommodation of which many countries have basically said , " great initiative but all the same we will bring along our own HVAC units for our athletes". 😂
64% deprecation- that’s nuts - also I wonder after three years of fast charging etc what the battery degradation is - I reckon in another 3-4 years the range will be less than a 100miles on a full battery
While I watch this up pops an advert for Anderson EV chargers! Who apparently went bust.
in my 2L tdi diesel the fuel gauge would have barely moved after 163mls!
Is it broken?.
My Skoda diesel does 60 motorway miles before the gauge moves, so that is the fuel capacity of the filler pipe.
Absolutely, 2 litre Tdi engines are the best out there. Nothing else comes close.
Believable, got a TDI myself. 57 mpg easy without any effort. Long run you’re looking at a 750 mile range easily if you don’t put your foot down
730d does 700 miles on a full tank , went to Aviemore and back to the midlands on a full tank
'Plenty of room in the back' - unless you've got legs.
I currently get 255 miles on a full charge (in the summer) and around 225 in the cold of winter....
Petrolhead till my dying day brother. Love Jags, they’re quality machines. Love my Mini Cooper Sport more though. Series of tight bends coming up? Foot down on the fast pedal and round we go.
Can’t beat the sound of the turbo kicking in. Vroooom!
I'll stick with my diesel car and van. Absolute minimum trouble. Why would you have a bloody ev for ?
Nice looking car but I'm still not gonna get a milkfloat
I nearly chocked when you said "Hawk Tuah!" PMSL
Thanks for the video. 👍
I drive a 3-year old F-Pace and a few days ago I was parked next to an I-Pace and had a long chat with the owner and found out that is was just a week younger than mine. He had owned it from new, done some 45,000 miles and that it's range had dropped to around 140 miles on a full charge. He was going to replace it with an F-Pace!...Say's it all...
I'd suggest thays bollocks. If his battery had degraded by that much he would have the right to a brand new battery, for free. The battery is covered by an 8 year warranty, so why would your mate accept that maybe, because you made it up.
not very good mileage and costly to recharge, disappointing. but good vid.
"Spit on it and push harder" is often my advice, it Can help out in many Tight situations 😮 😅😅😅😅😅
So, go about 155 miles and then have to sit there for 45 minutes waiting for it to charge up. Stuff that for a game of soldiers. When I stop at services on a long journey. I am there 15 minutes tops. Future my arse.
65% depreciation in the price…. What was range when it was new? Surely not the 170 miles it started the journey….?
Tony I like what you do but you are very brave slating the industry who are paying your bills .😊
I'm surprised the dealers who feed you these delivery jobs haven’t twigged yet that you are ultimately damaging their sales figures ⚠️
Keep up the good work and telling the truth 👏
My four year old iPace, in July, starts at around 275 miles on a full charge ( = 214 @ 78%) and I probably get around 250 on mixed road driving, so looking at that (low) number of 163 miles range, I would say roads and driving style of the most frequent driver of that vehicle will have had an influence. As with any vehicle, the faster you go, the more fuel you will use.
If those monstrosities are a 'Jag', then so is the keyboard I'm writing this on! Effing awful things and an insult to the marque (I won't use the word 'brand' as that's marketing speak!)
Explain exactly how 78% is almost fully charged?
They tell you not to charge 100% every time
All this charging just takes the pleasure out of driving or is that just what they want
£41 would buy me approx 450 miles of range with my VW Passat 2.0TDi!
Got a milk float and love it. Ridiculously fast, comfy, quiet and much more. Coming from German cars including Porsches it’s the fastest car I’ve driven. Plus absolutely peanuts to run, no road tax or servicing costs plus gives me cheap off peak electricity.
One caveat… you have to be able to home charge. Costs me 25 quid every thousand miles! And can put up with the 3-4 times a year I public charge.
Horses for courses.
Why don't you use Tesla superchargers instead of other more expensive chargers and save yourself £££?
has the Jag done 140.000 miles Tony? if so thats about 31p per mile for the £44.000 depreciation in it, let alone if one cell went rogue whats the cost of new set of milkfloat batteries £14,300 as you say they are not the future
Get the one cell replaced
I think you’ll find….
Shoulda got a petrol.
It's a lot of "SHITE" for £26,499
My jag dealer told me to take the high speed train !!!!
Ooooh a Jaguar Milkfloat well done
Had a drive in one amazing acceleration also had a go in fpace 3 0 petrol which I thought was a better car.and u can fill up in 2 mins
f Pace SVR accelerates better even at low speed. Above sixty, just no comparison. SVR just goes on and on at about 10 mph per second.
As an EV & ICE owner (for none green reasons :) ), here is my unbiased advice, take or leave as you wish.
Another area EV's gain is charging from home @7p, your then getting equiv 400+ mpg. If you can't charge from home, I would say get an ICE instead. Public chargers prices are stupid, unless Tesla Superchargers, there more sensible, about 35p even less during off peak times, the most I've paid is 47p on the M11 at peak time, so even on the most expensive it's 50+ mpg equiv in an SUV sized vehicle, Model Y. Drove from the North of England to Switzerland last week, 1600 mile round trip, averaged about 80 mpg equiv using the superchargers. But 95% of my driving is charged from home so the 400+ is the norm, but if you do lots of long distance driving, again I would say an ICE makes more sense totally down to public charger pricing.
I think the current negative EV comments seem a little childish to be honest, both have Pro's and Con's, just pick the car that's right for you.
I did consider one of these instead of a new car, but it would be 3 years old, insurance is probably ridiculous and I'd defo need some sort of comprehensive extended warranty which would cost an arm and a leg. I went the easier route!
40 Pounds per day in depreciation. A Day. And do not forget - that Pace will continue now that it is in the second hand market. Any bets the 26900 pound used price will be 10000 next year?
This. I don't think most people understand cost per mile when you include depreciation.
For some odd reason, people only look at fuel economy when they own a car. I don't get why.
@@fredfred2363 Overall operational cost per mile has always been my guiding factor. If I can get a vehicle down below 10 cents per mile, over say a 40000 mile life. it may as well be free. Most of the time if you do really well it may be 20 cents. If it is over 25 cents you are doing it wrong. But then again I drive a lot.
@@fredfred2363 Every car is a depreciating asset. Get a bike if you are really all about saving cost. Yes, the depreciation on EVs are bad. But it serves it purpose and fits some. Penny counting on a car becomes a dead sport after a while.
Sounds like a Daily Mail article LOL
You need to go back to school me old mate. a full charge is 100% not 78%. An I-Pace on a full charge will do 250 miles. I know I've owned one for 4 years. And it handles beautifully and goes round corners like a roller skate. It'll see off many supercars as well.
They say (the Ev experts) you shouldn’t keep putting 100% charge on your battery. It will last longer if you do 80% each time 👌
How much is it worth now🤔
It just shows the believed savings on using electricity is easily lost in the depreciation, my brother who is retired and drives 2000 miles a year states how great it is that he sold his F Pace for a Tesla and basically pays pence to charge at his home. What he fails to realise is that he could have filled a new F Pace for years against the depreciating price of his Tesla which he will never get the benefit from as he changes his vehicle every three years.
There’s a charging station at the BP garage a mile or so north of the M4 at the Chippenham junction rather than use Leigh Delamare
My bro brought a Tesla a few months after they first came out. He got rid of his Range Rover for it. It was quick,but apart from that a waste of money. He paid for a charging point in his home. 7 months later he sold it with a big loss. And brought himself another Range Rover. Can’t say no more than that 🤔
Still pretty good if you charge at home and use it to commute for groceries or shuttling kids to and from school. It needs to be very cheap though because it competes with used cheap ICE cars.
Cheapest one on ebay is £17k not bad really
Gonna say I put £25.03p of diesel in my car yesterday got 192 miles extra in it, just a tiny bit under a quarter of a tank, on top of the 25 miles I already had in. I did that at a M&S petrol station, is that BP? I can't remember.
The epic depreciation is one of the good parts of JLR vehicles - it means the mugs who buy new (and all the company car schemes) essentially subsidise the owners sensibly buying them used.
Until the warranty runs out.
@@garethonthetube Depends on the model and powertrain. Older XF were very reliable, XJ are mostly bulletproof. Discovery Sport petrol is fine but diesel has significant issues and plug-in will spend 60% of its life waiting for parts.
That sort of depreciation is normal on luxury cars ask Amy mercedes bmw lexus owner. .plus that not the depreciation figure at all because you have to remove 20% vat so the real depreciation is around 47% working on your figure except cinch will have give 20000 for the car if that much because at jaguar lease auction they are sell between 18 and 20 k .
Just as well it’s summer. If you have no idea how long you’ll be stuck in a jam would you dare to use the heater?
Heater consumption isn't that high compared to driving. 1kW would run the heater quite happily and make virtually no difference to the range after several hours.
It would cost £26*44 in diesel to do 180 miles(4galls @45mpg) but my car would probably do better than 45 on that run as that is my commuting mpg. EVs future my arse.
180 miles in my EV £3.50
@@stevewest131 I assume then that at best you are getting 4 miles pkwh thus you are paying 7*777 pence per kilowatt, home charging I presume?.
@@stephensalt6787 Credit where it's due you are very close. Good maths my friend I'll buy you a pint when I see you
Are they Octavia mk 11 Octavia wing mirrors on that milk float?
The real world use of an EV as demonstrated by EV carnage shows just how much the media shills are incorrect about EV’s. The fully charged show springs to mind.
Totally disagree regarding handling. Prior the to car being released a professional Jaguar driver took me around very tight test track and the handling was unbelievable.
Made for traffic jams? How about when the outside temerature is below zero or approaching 30C? Freeze or cook or flatten the battery to the point where it won't move.
11:40 Did you just see Lord Lucan?
Nice to see some milk floats being tested not as good as the manufactures say are they!
Try it in winter with the heating on.
Electric walrus
Doesn't surprise me that JLR named their car after the Health and Safety Executive!
I wouldn't pay 26 pence for one 😂😂😂
Peugeot E2008 it says the range is 250 miles
It's not my daughter has one it's lucky if it gets 180
@@davethevicar88 the old ones get about 180 miles
and the new ones with a bigger battery get about 250 miles.
@@organickevinlondon nice cars but I think they're way over priced. what amazes me is she's had it 6 months and already lost 3 k on it she paid 13 can pick em up for 9 to 10 now 😮
@davethevicar88 I totally agree in the heat wave I got 191 miles
@organickevinlondon my is a 24 plate and I get 198 miles on a good day
Battery not loaded up with heater, air conditioning, wipers headlights etc
Its a topic that just keeps giving isnt lol.
Tbh an ev would suit our day to day needs and save us some money on fuel, we drive maybe 3k to 5k miles per year only though so the fuel saving is more or less lost in the extra cost of insurance over our old diesel that does 60mpg...
The only reason id actually like having one is the smooth power and easy driving in traffic jams of which their are a lot these days.
Ill stick to my cheap ebike though i think and keep the old diesel going ( which btw is low emissions so zero tax 😂)
it was fully charged? with 78% showing. Thats not fully charged.
and how many coffees , sandwiches, pies , choc are you going to have ?🤣
As has already been said, when I see 160 miles range on my car, I start to look for a garage to fill up with diesel.
The Tesla chargers at Gloucester Services are open to all EV's, using them would save you 25% of the cost of charging in the future.
One would expect that Jag to be 'one of the better ones' since it cost £70 bloody thousand quid! You used to be able to buy a HOUSE for that kind of money!
Switch on all the Accessories and see how far it goes
No better car in a traffic us. Than a milk float…. Unless it’s winter and you have to chose between being warm or making it to a charger
EV = NOPE!
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Maybe it is named the I-Pace because it hasn't any got Inertia. Or perhaps it's got an excessive amount, once it gets going, since it weighs 4,400 lbs
Sort yer nose hairs out bruv! LOL
Not sure about the sausage rolls at Gloucester services.
“Aha!”, say the EVangelists (or should that be dEVilists? Using the word angel seems inappropriate) You should have charged to 100% and you’d have got 300 miles!
Hang on though, isn’t that Milk Float Rule number one, never charge fully or you’ll destroy the battery?
The Jag i-Pace has never been good on range. 200 miles @ 100% usually. It's a fast car that people drive like a Jag. So it's thirsty - like other sporty Jags. The charge to 80% is because it can take as long to go from 80% to 100% as it did to get to 80%. So we just move on at 80%. The myth about destroying the battery at 100% is only partly true if its left for weeks fully charged. That can cause some early degradation so we don't do that. We fill to 100% at home at the start of a trip and drive straight away to avoid being too long at that state of charge. Then go to 80% en-route as many times as needed. To fit in with a stop at 2 hours anyway for a 'comfort' break.
Weird to me how people still invent negatives based on ancient misconceptions and refuse to update their knowledge base on modern EVs.
thats more expensive than my hiace at 37 mpg ;;; how are these people saying 10 pound charge ups ??
£26k I’ll wait until it’s £6k !
A video of a traffic jam. That's new.
I bought a used petrol Seat Ibiza 1.4 Toca in 2019 for £5,500. I have since driven around 70,000 miles with no issues and only had its normal servicing. Since i use this vehicle for work, i also get capital allowance and have my earnings from the vehicle have been in excess of £200,000.
Do i want to change to an EV????? No thank you.
£41 can get me half a tank of petrol in my small hatchback.
I’m sure it can. Thing is, your small hatchback is not a 400hp AWD Jaaaaag! 😂
Most of the weight is the battery.
Not worth a carrot, total money pit.
Off Beachy Head with it
I buying a HORSE AND CART TOMORROW and move to a cave
I think this is the government’s plan for most of us
Virtually fully charged. 78 percent. Are you mental. If you had 3/4 of a tank of fuel would you say it was full?
Traffic jams are bad for EVs every time you start to move to get 2.5 tons in motion it uses a lot more of battery power to do so than just driving.