- if you are more familiar with chinese culture, you might have known about a common saying they have about divination, it goes like this "Heaven's secrets cannot be reveal", heaven's secrets here is referring to the future knowledge. This saying is typically use within xianxia/xuanhuan novel, it usually like this: everything happen is in accordance with the hidden natural law of the world or the Heavenly Dao, the future/fate is part of natural flow and order of the world so when you break the rule and disturb the order by telling the future, you r punish by the Heavenly Dao, even trying to know about the future will receive heavy retribution. Concept of Path in hsr is very much a direct inspiration from the Dao/path in Daoism and from Wuxia/Xianxia/Xuanhuan novel so the saying "Heaven's secrets cannot be reveal" is still very much apply for hsr here. - Another theory i have about this if we consider my previous theory about Terminus and Finality path is shaping the future/fate into a single outcome that will result in the end of the universe and the birth of Terminus, by viewing the future, those people are basically provoking Finality and being retributed by Finality path by it auto correcting the reveal and punish the revealer
I agree with everything here, but I prefer the more 'profound' (basically smart ass for no reason) way of saying it: "Heaven's secrets cannot be divulged"
Thats an interesting bit of exposition, I wonder whether if this was indeed the inspiration for it does it mean that polka kakamond sees herself as some sort of heavenly avenger punishing those who attained a glimpse of the future through nous. It might give her this love hate relationship with nous Ive always thought of terminus as a singular point in existence, an ending that must happen regardless of whatever future each individual in the story wants or is working towards. Its kind of a fixed ending, no matter what anyone else does finality will happen either way
@@Maevix3142 - Dao is the inspiration for hsr as Dao is literally translated as path or way. yes i check the chinese word for hsr path as well, the chinese word for hsr path mean "destiny path" which is shorten to only path in english translation - Path is a very common concept in chinese fantasy genres and culture in general, like how tolkien fantasy was the standard westerner fantasy setting.
Polka imo the unascended opposite of what happened to Mythus. Mythus was a former devotee of Erudition, who eventually ascended into an Aeon of Enigmata out of rebellion and denial of the absolute results Nous embodied and calculated. Meanwhile, Polka is pretty much... an overfixated devotee who basically acts as a self-fulfilling prophecy maker. I find that tragic.
*[AMPHOREUS and Remembrance/Finality THEORY]* _"What if HSR universe has different planes of time? Let me explain."_ Imagine 5 platforms stacked vertically, these represent different system-hour or time-planes. Right now we and all the characters we knew are in Platform 3 which in our perspective is the present timeline. But Outer-dimensional being such as Aeons can easily jump up or down to other platforms, like moving towards future (up) or the past (down) from our perspective, that's what TERMINUS does. THEY are exploring different time-planes starting from future/final (up) all the way to the beginning (down), each platform is like different train stations, similar to AKIVILI who explores the world but is more related to Space instead of Time with different planets as Train Stations. _Black Swan mentioned that AMPHOREUS is a world that AKIVILI never reached and is virtually unknown to most people, hidden away from outside observation and can only be seen through the light of the mirrors from the Garden of Recollection_ At first we thought that it must be a new planet that born/exist after the death of AKIVILI which makes sense BUT "it can only be seen through Remembrance power" part is very weird. But it would make sense if AMPHOREUS exist in time-plane before our present time-plane, like Platform 2 or 1. This means their "timeline" started late compared to our "timeline" but Garden of Recollection was able to notice their existence through their memories since they exist in past from our perspective. Lastly, this is concerning since if this is true, AMPHOREUS would be destined to meet their end at some point since in our timeline this planet doesn't exist anymore. So as Galaxy heroes, the Nameless need to go back to past or in other words: jump from platform 3 to platform 2, but How? Well there's a faction called Omen Vanguard that seemingly can "hear" TERMINUS's whispers when THEY may not exist in our timeline, as if these people can move in between time-planes. This faction might be the key to help solving the problem in AMPHOREUS along with Elio who is presumably is an Emanator of Finality.
The reason why I post this theory here is because Polka Kakamond might found out the truth about the time-planes and goes to one of those time-platforms to hide herself.
I actually agree that there are multiple planes that are relevant within the Honkai Star rail universe especially with the complex plane and the real plane due to the relevance of imaginary numbers. For example, one can argue that all of the aeons are located exclusively on the imaginary (vertical) axis as well as that all eidolons being the most basic imaginary unit due to being quantized bits of imaginary energy. The real axis is perpendicular to the imaginary axis and as such the imaginary tree exists perpendicular to the bridge of reality (the x-axis or the real axis). The sea of quanta basically represents the space within planes best represented as complex numbers for the complex plane involving imaginary numbers added to real numbers. Honkai star rail also features a Cartesian real plane due to the playerbase interacting with the game but not being noticed by the in game characters due to being on a separate plane of existence. It is also possible for there to be an astral plane as well but that is not confirmed due to no indication of the two axises creating a separate plane. Time is most often associated with a variable placed on the x-axis of multiple graphs or is represented as a separate parameter of a function. If time represents the x-axis than it can be considered the axis of real numbers and represent that merely replacing f(x) with f(t). If time represents a separate parameter that both the vertical and real axis depend on, than things become unique but plausible.
There is a big correlation between worlds unexplored by Akivili and unknown to the rest of the universe. That's because the travel between worlds uses trails laid out by Akivili, so no Akivili -> no trails -> world stays isolated.
Idk if people noticed this or not. But the flower on Kafka's phone looks like the flower from Polka Kakamond's flower on her clothes What if Polka was Kafka all along?
Kafka has words about Polka if you snoop around in the prologue. She refers to Polka like she's a separate person that Kaf's only heard rumors about. But Polka's gold and gear's portraits make a point of putting her in a very purplish dress. Personally, I've suspected Polka may be a 'Kafka-face' in the Silver Wolf-Bronya sense. Both walking visual references to HI3rd anime girl Franz Kafka, but otherwise separate individuals. edit: There's also the issue that Polka seems to be very old, with visible grey hairs in her latest-known portraits.
@@AdrianArmbrustertime travel in hsr won't be a big surprise to explain their link. I think it's possible she is Polka in some ways, like bronya-silver wolf. Maybe it has to do with her erasing abilities, being related to nihility it could be some self-anihilator, like acheron forgetting her raiden past.
@@AdrianArmbrusterOrrr... She could be a clone? This is a sci-fi game after all, and we haven't seen a clone plotline yet. It would also conmect her to the theme of Destiny that the Stellaron Hunters have.
@@heppelhopv2 im speaking about polka erasing ability. And gameplay and lore are related and often explainable too. Honkai dont just make a fish throw fire
"There can't be genius without insanity" Polka Kakamond being able to alter all portraits/info of/about her actually seems similar to aether coding, which is known and unique to Silver Wolf's home planet (Punklorde). Polka could be Punklordian or is genius enough to understand and use it or even has an affiliate, that could've helped her with the killing of the other Geniuses and cover it up to keep her privacy. If not, her having not many records or even known if she's out there seems a bit like the unknown existence of self-annihilaters. Nous, not only being an Aeon, is known as the smartest (or one of) entities ever, had likely completed THEIR calculations the reason why THEY stopped. Now, Nous responds with questions to either keep minds pondering and in search for answers as a way of alignment to THEIR path. The thought of Polka being a fanatic could be the reason why she acts like that and even killed the other Geniuses to work accordingly to Nous' calculations. However, she could have worshipped Nous as Nous provided answers and calculations. Nous could have completed those calculations and only responds in questions, this, could have lead Polka to feel nihilism as she could've worshipped Nous for knowledge yet suddenly stopped. Polka could have eventually entered and tread the path of The Nihility and killed other Geniuses for no reason or anger. We already know of a being having blessings of two paths, not only Trailblazer, but Phantilya. Those events could also be within Nous' calculations and her status slowly became unknown like self-annihilaters. Unless, Polka, in a way, could hold answers that drove her insane or may not even be at fault at all and could even be taking the blame and Mythus decided to alter her records as she could be really closely affiliated with Nous or even shfted the blame to her. I have a lot of other things because the mysteries in this game are so intriguing and VAST that you can't have only one theory. It's honestly so fun theorizing.
I’ve been wondering if Nous the Erudition has some connection with IX the Nihility. My reason for wondering this, is the odd connections between the two Paths. The philosophy of Mechanism is the belief that every natural phenomena, including life and thought, can be completely explained. Would it surprise you to know, that this philosophy is attached to the Path of Nihility? (3 Star Nihility Lightcone, Hidden Shadow, Ability Name) Sounds like it would fit right in with the Path of Erudition, but it’s connection with Nihility suggests the aftermath of such philosophy, the dangerous thought that since everything is explainable, then nothing is unexplainable, and unfortunately in the Reality of HSR, Nothing is a real thing, so is everything truly explainable? (That’s my personal interpretation of it, at the very least.) We even have Polka and Dr Primitive having connections with Device IX, a faction directly involving the Nihility. And the name of that faction is even more odd? “Device” can be alternatively defined, as something that produces a certain result, which suggests a rather interesting possibility that IX is capable of actually doing something. There’s also the fact, that in the Data Banks, an index that falls under the category of Erudition, is capable of showing us the Index for IX the Nihility, but is incapable of showing us Related Entries for IX the Nihility, despite there being a few factions that are connected to the Nihility. And in those Indexes of Factions, they do include the Related Entry for IX the Nihility, which goes to show that IX the Nihility can nullify the Path of Erudition to an interesting degree, it can’t erase its own existence, but it can exclude existences from it. I’m sure there are other examples that I’ve yet to mention, or haven’t noticed myself as of yet, but I’m pretty sure you get my point by now. While Paths may end up encountering other Paths, these encounters shine a light onto the possible connection between the Paths, if there is a connection to make. This leads me to make a rather insane theory … that IX the Nihility originally came from Nous the Erudition. With the Nihility nullifying other Paths, the Nihility could’ve nullified itself from the Path of Erudition. This wouldn’t be the first time an Aeon’s Path was altered. I’ve recently learned that Long the Permanence once held onto Propagation, this is how the Vidyadhara were able to reproduce to the current number they now possess, at one point, reproduction was part of the Path of Permanence. However, one day Long disappeared into the stars, and some years later on, an insect felt so lonely that they ascended into Propagation, separating Permanence from Propagation. (The reason this was possible, is because the Propagation is solely about Propagating, nothing less, nothing more. It’s a Path of pure instinctual reproduction, so consequently, any philosophies, Paths and whatever else, becomes irrelevant to the Path of Propagation, including the philosophy of Propagation itself.) Now, why would Nihility be under the Path of Erudition? Well, Nous was ordered to find meaning in everything, to discover that everything has meaning attached to it, this is known as Existentialism. Nihilism is to discover that everything has no meaning attached to it. Existentialism and Nihilism are two sides of the same coin (like Elation and Tragedy), so when IX the Nihility manifested, IX the Existentially was manifested as well. Thus, removing meaning from Erudition, forever altering the Path, and the Aeon presiding over the Path.
I think the problem with what you’re saying is that Erudition is the path of predictive knowledge, causal relations and understanding of them. Not of meaning. Also Device IX isn’t a faction. It’s an Aeon. Acheron’s goal is to destroy Device IX at “the end of the Nihility”. Probably some metaphysical dimension as she also said that the Nihility is omnipresent. Because of that, I find it hard to believe that the Nihility, a path that seems to be one of the more primal ones and basically bypasses certain rules of the universe would be created by Nous who was probably born after the dusk wars. What I will say is that after ascending, Nous in coming to understand all causality and being able to see the future probably understood how the Nihility works as well and maybe have been influenced by it. But I don’t know if Nous is the type of machine that can comprehend the Nihility at an emotional level (relating to it) so I can’t say if it was affected.
@@joaosantos-uj9uw Honestly, I forgot to clarify one thing concerning my theory. Firstly, I don’t think that IX, the Aeon THEMSELF physically came from Nous. Only that the Path of Erudition originally included the Path of Nihilism/Existentialism. And when the Aeon of Nihility ascended, the Path of Nihility (and its counterpart) was removed from the Path of Erudition. This theory of mine could easily debunked if we ever learn the true origins of IX the Nihility. Now, I forgot to mention this, and … it changes my perception of the 3 star Lightcone Hidden Shadow. I believe it’s meant to depict a self-annihilator, and that our Aeon of Nihility was/is originally a Self-Annihilator, whose aspects of Nihility were so potent that they simply Self-Annihilated the same second THEY ascended. Now, I’ve explained what Mechanism is, however I recently learned that Hidden Shadow is actually a real life phenomenon as well. It occurs whenever a source of light is directly over an object, that object should instantly be casting a shadow beneath the source of light. However, if that object is placed just perfectly underneath the Source of Light, then the only place for its shadow to go, is directly underneath the Object itself, making it a shadow we cannot see without moving the object, a Hidden Shadow. I really don’t know if this has any significance on Self-Annihilators or if it’s simply a fun little fact. So, this brings me to my changed perception of the meaning behind this Lightcone. With the philosophy of mechanism being that everything can be perfectly explained, it may make the individual feel like they are perfectly explainable, and consequently feel like they lose all of their uniqueness. This is just one potential possibility. If IX fell for this philosophy of Mechanism, it might explain why they feel like everything will inevitably be consumed by the void. Why? Because it’s been explained to IX in THEIR comprehension, we don’t know what this Aeon knows, and I can’t find out with what we currently do know. As for Nous the Erudition lacking emotional responses to whatever THEY find in front of THEM. If the Path of Nihility did indeed originate from the Path of Erudition, then Nous would’ve been affected by this change, and no longer calculates the meaning behind everything, there are many things that this could’ve caused that I just really can’t list due to our limited knowledge of the game.
Well theoretically and practically and actually canonically speaking, paths always existed, and there are hundreds if not thousands of them, but only when someone/something reaches the "peak" of it, then that person/thing reaches Aeonhood, yet even if an Aeon dies, the paths will still continue to exit, and the path can still be walked upon. Now leaving the basic information aside. I think it would be more accurate to say that when one of the 2 aeons ascended to aeonhood, then did these 2 path......sorry, I can't complete my idea right now, I will later if I remember, oh and the part about propagation was very interesting
wants to change the future, ignores the god of changing the future (Mythus), gets surprised she can't change the future...Fu Xuan reaaaalllly likes taking the harder way to get what she wants, huh?
Polka Kakamond is HIMEKO. Same rose motifs on character designs. They both wear a black silk glove. From Gold and Gears we learn that Polka Kakamond killed Rubert, member #27 of the Genius Society. Based on Finality's prediction ("a silk accessory suitable for women will bring about the end"), we can assume she did so using one of her silk accessories. You know a silk accessory both her and Himeko have? The gloves. You know what Himeko is missing? One of her gloves... Enigmata's riddle ("they leave no question, but the answers are blood and flower") is also interesting. "Blood" and "flower" could relate to a rose, the motif present on both Himeko and Polka Kakamond. Himeko is probably thousands of years old
If that's true, this must be the cause why some Sky People wants to kill Himeko, but wrong target Himeko in HI3rd. (Nerve worm/Parasite Alien Nicknamed "The Lover" from HI3rd)
Could polka kakamond be related to enigmata? Isnt the whole thing abt enigmata is concealing information and such, could also possibly explain why she managed to erase her face everywhere.
there is also a theory of herta the unstoppable moving object and polka the unmoveable object, i forogt but apparently kakamond is trying to stop herta from learning everything. while herta believes nothing is a mystery sooner or later. so maybe polkla kakamond is almost like enigmata, by knowing a lot, she learn that no one should know everything. this is justa theory and non checked so yay :D
Just a thought I had but isn’t the divination commission the fictional equivalent of data mining since they are practically the same practice. Fu Xuan programs an ancient machine a specified algorithm to analyze information similar to how miners program a computer to analyze code. Honestly, the divination commission should be renamed to the data extraction commission as it better fits the role and purpose of the commission; there is no divining but rather data extraction and analysis that the workers are undergoing. The future is in a sense variable and predicting the “future” by any means whether by divining possible scenarios or data mining produces similar results as in probable and likely outcomes that are predicted to occur in the future but are subject to interpretation and variance. Also, in retrospect the alchemy commission should be renamed to the medical commission due to the commission focusing more on the medicinal properties of certain organic chemical substances derived from creature parts.
Technically, all of the astral express are data miners especially Dan Heng due the analysis of the data bank found within the game documenting information concerning the enemy creatures, light cones, factions, aeons, characters, relics, and terms.
. hmm I playing the story machine and gold. I feel like polka trying to resist the fate what nous tell her. She not just going around and killing genius. In that story machine and gold playing in SU, I feel like she is trying to resist the future , But it not working, no matter how many time she trying to kill the emperor, he won't and never die until the moment nous said. No matter how many way she trying to do, it still not working, the emperor is not dead until the right that nous tell. So yeah,.. she trying to figure out how to escape the fate that nous tell, but not success. So she keep doing it, but we don't know yet that... The member she kill is right in the moment nous tell her or not. If not, she still not success no matter how many time, years,.... she fail to change the future.
I like to say Polka is a Ruan Mei alternate or perhaps a clone. We know Ruan Mei can create life, and what surprised me about Ruan Mei is on her release, she reminded me of Polka: -white coat/clothing over shoulders, brown(?) hair back in a bun, and colors of Polka's disfigured portraits are similar to the colors in Ruan Mei's trailer where she talks about her childhood. Maybe thats a reach, but im holding out
Really liked the video, but i wanted to know if w have more info on tingyun, from the quest of this current versions, caution spoilers When yukong and Feixiao are chatting, i read something along the lines of : fexiao fleet went searching for tingyun boat, or whatever the name is, and when feixiao said they said someone went before and it's revealed to be ruan mei. do we have a possibility to have tingyun back ? not as the original, but modified through ruan mei experiments ? if so, then why ruen mei would revive, maybe to see if someone with a longer lifespan can withstand the powers of an emanator, like what she did with the big blue bug ? Or maybe i'm wrong and i just extrapolated at 1 am while reading the quest...
I dont think we'll get it anytime soon, I think with the next planet having hints of refueling the express it might be himekos time to shine as we get some backstory or explanations on the express. That said maybe she dies and welt does instead get some exposition
Perhaps Polka is Nous' own assassin? She could be an emanator like Herta, except tasked with the dirty work of ensuring a certain timeline. Herta does say they'd "have a lot to talk about," as an emanator of Nous herself she may have some insight she's not letting on. At the very least, it makes sense that Rupert would "have to go," suggesting that the anti-organic equation was antithetical to Nous' intended future. It seems possible to me that Nous has been able to calculate Finality itself (at least to a degree), and is running predictions like an emulator similar to how Herta et al have successfully run simulations of Aeons and indeed the entire universe (could help explain how the sim u was conceived, Herta may have been working with an existing precedent). For a clickbait video this was very inspiring 😂 Fun to think about, definitely one of the bigger areas of curiosity in the lore for me
Her acting on Nous' behalf could also suggest that THEY are actively covering her tracks, allowing her face to be hidden and records expunged, THEY are effectively the Aeon of information after all. Maybe that's why THEY stopped giving candid answers to seekers and adopted a cryptic approach to complement their new shadowy endeavors. This is all off the top of my head, so there are likely contradictions to the theory but my curiosity is renewed, thoughts welcome
Aoens do not care, they are not subject to being reasonable simply because they are what they were meant to become. You literally equated nous to mythus when they are polar opposites.
To be fair, the only accounts we have about aeons are often shrouded in myth. Meaning Aeons can act in any way the writers want them too. Furthermore, Yaoshi for example seems to be very "caring" on granting plentiful food and growth with a price. Nous i certainly think "cares" but in a way that only an all knowing supercomputer can.
@@coffeeking9565 there is no way your trying to tell me that the writers can write nanook as a savior when he is out there destroying everything. Its already established that they will not steer out of their philosophy so no the writers cant just say fuck it and make Lan be passive for eternity. Yaoshi was not being a caring aeon, THEY were just following their philosophy of eternal life and abundance thats why yaoshi agreed, do you think yoashi would agree to the xianzhou if their request was to kill nanook? Hell no because thats already out of the line
@@random_name_generated6932 Destruction is neutral. As it means it can harm friend or foe. So theoretically, you can form an alliance with the destruction just like the antimattet legion and the xianzhou did. Yaoshi for all her harm, doesnt strip the borisin of their intellect or personhood. But does to the xianzhou. Why? I dont really know- but yaoshi and all the aeons arent inherently evil. Theyre forces of nature. Im not saying shes a saint- but to a specific select few, she can be viewed as one.
- if you are more familiar with chinese culture, you might have known about a common saying they have about divination, it goes like this "Heaven's secrets cannot be reveal", heaven's secrets here is referring to the future knowledge. This saying is typically use within xianxia/xuanhuan novel, it usually like this: everything happen is in accordance with the hidden natural law of the world or the Heavenly Dao, the future/fate is part of natural flow and order of the world so when you break the rule and disturb the order by telling the future, you r punish by the Heavenly Dao, even trying to know about the future will receive heavy retribution. Concept of Path in hsr is very much a direct inspiration from the Dao/path in Daoism and from Wuxia/Xianxia/Xuanhuan novel so the saying "Heaven's secrets cannot be reveal" is still very much apply for hsr here.
- Another theory i have about this if we consider my previous theory about Terminus and Finality path is shaping the future/fate into a single outcome that will result in the end of the universe and the birth of Terminus, by viewing the future, those people are basically provoking Finality and being retributed by Finality path by it auto correcting the reveal and punish the revealer
You deserve a pin my guy
I agree with everything here, but I prefer the more 'profound' (basically smart ass for no reason) way of saying it: "Heaven's secrets cannot be divulged"
Thats an interesting bit of exposition, I wonder whether if this was indeed the inspiration for it does it mean that polka kakamond sees herself as some sort of heavenly avenger punishing those who attained a glimpse of the future through nous. It might give her this love hate relationship with nous
Ive always thought of terminus as a singular point in existence, an ending that must happen regardless of whatever future each individual in the story wants or is working towards. Its kind of a fixed ending, no matter what anyone else does finality will happen either way
@@Maevix3142
- Dao is the inspiration for hsr as Dao is literally translated as path or way. yes i check the chinese word for hsr path as well, the chinese word for hsr path mean "destiny path" which is shorten to only path in english translation
- Path is a very common concept in chinese fantasy genres and culture in general, like how tolkien fantasy was the standard westerner fantasy setting.
Polka imo the unascended opposite of what happened to Mythus. Mythus was a former devotee of Erudition, who eventually ascended into an Aeon of Enigmata out of rebellion and denial of the absolute results Nous embodied and calculated.
Meanwhile, Polka is pretty much... an overfixated devotee who basically acts as a self-fulfilling prophecy maker. I find that tragic.
*[AMPHOREUS and Remembrance/Finality THEORY]*
_"What if HSR universe has different planes of time? Let me explain."_
Imagine 5 platforms stacked vertically, these represent different system-hour or time-planes. Right now we and all the characters we knew are in Platform 3 which in our perspective is the present timeline. But Outer-dimensional being such as Aeons can easily jump up or down to other platforms, like moving towards future (up) or the past (down) from our perspective, that's what TERMINUS does. THEY are exploring different time-planes starting from future/final (up) all the way to the beginning (down), each platform is like different train stations, similar to AKIVILI who explores the world but is more related to Space instead of Time with different planets as Train Stations.
_Black Swan mentioned that AMPHOREUS is a world that AKIVILI never reached and is virtually unknown to most people, hidden away from outside observation and can only be seen through the light of the mirrors from the Garden of Recollection_
At first we thought that it must be a new planet that born/exist after the death of AKIVILI which makes sense BUT "it can only be seen through Remembrance power" part is very weird. But it would make sense if AMPHOREUS exist in time-plane before our present time-plane, like Platform 2 or 1. This means their "timeline" started late compared to our "timeline" but Garden of Recollection was able to notice their existence through their memories since they exist in past from our perspective.
Lastly, this is concerning since if this is true, AMPHOREUS would be destined to meet their end at some point since in our timeline this planet doesn't exist anymore. So as Galaxy heroes, the Nameless need to go back to past or in other words: jump from platform 3 to platform 2, but How? Well there's a faction called Omen Vanguard that seemingly can "hear" TERMINUS's whispers when THEY may not exist in our timeline, as if these people can move in between time-planes. This faction might be the key to help solving the problem in AMPHOREUS along with Elio who is presumably is an Emanator of Finality.
The reason why I post this theory here is because Polka Kakamond might found out the truth about the time-planes and goes to one of those time-platforms to hide herself.
I actually agree that there are multiple planes that are relevant within the Honkai Star rail universe especially with the complex plane and the real plane due to the relevance of imaginary numbers. For example, one can argue that all of the aeons are located exclusively on the imaginary (vertical) axis as well as that all eidolons being the most basic imaginary unit due to being quantized bits of imaginary energy. The real axis is perpendicular to the imaginary axis and as such the imaginary tree exists perpendicular to the bridge of reality (the x-axis or the real axis). The sea of quanta basically represents the space within planes best represented as complex numbers for the complex plane involving imaginary numbers added to real numbers.
Honkai star rail also features a Cartesian real plane due to the playerbase interacting with the game but not being noticed by the in game characters due to being on a separate plane of existence. It is also possible for there to be an astral plane as well but that is not confirmed due to no indication of the two axises creating a separate plane.
Time is most often associated with a variable placed on the x-axis of multiple graphs or is represented as a separate parameter of a function. If time represents the x-axis than it can be considered the axis of real numbers and represent that merely replacing f(x) with f(t). If time represents a separate parameter that both the vertical and real axis depend on, than things become unique but plausible.
There is a big correlation between worlds unexplored by Akivili and unknown to the rest of the universe. That's because the travel between worlds uses trails laid out by Akivili, so no Akivili -> no trails -> world stays isolated.
Idk if people noticed this or not. But the flower on Kafka's phone looks like the flower from Polka Kakamond's flower on her clothes
What if Polka was Kafka all along?
Kafka has words about Polka if you snoop around in the prologue. She refers to Polka like she's a separate person that Kaf's only heard rumors about. But Polka's gold and gear's portraits make a point of putting her in a very purplish dress. Personally, I've suspected Polka may be a 'Kafka-face' in the Silver Wolf-Bronya sense. Both walking visual references to HI3rd anime girl Franz Kafka, but otherwise separate individuals.
edit: There's also the issue that Polka seems to be very old, with visible grey hairs in her latest-known portraits.
@@AdrianArmbrustertime travel in hsr won't be a big surprise to explain their link. I think it's possible she is Polka in some ways, like bronya-silver wolf. Maybe it has to do with her erasing abilities, being related to nihility it could be some self-anihilator, like acheron forgetting her raiden past.
@@AdrianArmbrusterOrrr... She could be a clone? This is a sci-fi game after all, and we haven't seen a clone plotline yet. It would also conmect her to the theme of Destiny that the Stellaron Hunters have.
@@BaraKingu I doubt Kafka is related to nihility.Gameplay ≠ lore
@@heppelhopv2 im speaking about polka erasing ability. And gameplay and lore are related and often explainable too. Honkai dont just make a fish throw fire
9:35 bro knew what to expect, predicting and shit
HE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS
"There can't be genius without insanity"
Polka Kakamond being able to alter all portraits/info of/about her actually seems similar to aether coding, which is known and unique to Silver Wolf's home planet (Punklorde). Polka could be Punklordian or is genius enough to understand and use it or even has an affiliate, that could've helped her with the killing of the other Geniuses and cover it up to keep her privacy. If not, her having not many records or even known if she's out there seems a bit like the unknown existence of self-annihilaters. Nous, not only being an Aeon, is known as the smartest (or one of) entities ever, had likely completed THEIR calculations the reason why THEY stopped. Now, Nous responds with questions to either keep minds pondering and in search for answers as a way of alignment to THEIR path. The thought of Polka being a fanatic could be the reason why she acts like that and even killed the other Geniuses to work accordingly to Nous' calculations. However, she could have worshipped Nous as Nous provided answers and calculations. Nous could have completed those calculations and only responds in questions, this, could have lead Polka to feel nihilism as she could've worshipped Nous for knowledge yet suddenly stopped.
Polka could have eventually entered and tread the path of The Nihility and killed other Geniuses for no reason or anger. We already know of a being having blessings of two paths, not only Trailblazer, but Phantilya. Those events could also be within Nous' calculations and her status slowly became unknown like self-annihilaters.
Unless, Polka, in a way, could hold answers that drove her insane or may not even be at fault at all and could even be taking the blame and Mythus decided to alter her records as she could be really closely affiliated with Nous or even shfted the blame to her.
I have a lot of other things because the mysteries in this game are so intriguing and VAST that you can't have only one theory. It's honestly so fun theorizing.
What 2nd path does phantylia have blessings of ?
she has blessings from destruction and abundance@@areyouthetramthatstops9327
I’ve been wondering if Nous the Erudition has some connection with IX the Nihility.
My reason for wondering this, is the odd connections between the two Paths.
The philosophy of Mechanism is the belief that every natural phenomena, including life and thought, can be completely explained. Would it surprise you to know, that this philosophy is attached to the Path of Nihility? (3 Star Nihility Lightcone, Hidden Shadow, Ability Name) Sounds like it would fit right in with the Path of Erudition, but it’s connection with Nihility suggests the aftermath of such philosophy, the dangerous thought that since everything is explainable, then nothing is unexplainable, and unfortunately in the Reality of HSR, Nothing is a real thing, so is everything truly explainable? (That’s my personal interpretation of it, at the very least.)
We even have Polka and Dr Primitive having connections with Device IX, a faction directly involving the Nihility. And the name of that faction is even more odd? “Device” can be alternatively defined, as something that produces a certain result, which suggests a rather interesting possibility that IX is capable of actually doing something.
There’s also the fact, that in the Data Banks, an index that falls under the category of Erudition, is capable of showing us the Index for IX the Nihility, but is incapable of showing us Related Entries for IX the Nihility, despite there being a few factions that are connected to the Nihility. And in those Indexes of Factions, they do include the Related Entry for IX the Nihility, which goes to show that IX the Nihility can nullify the Path of Erudition to an interesting degree, it can’t erase its own existence, but it can exclude existences from it.
I’m sure there are other examples that I’ve yet to mention, or haven’t noticed myself as of yet, but I’m pretty sure you get my point by now. While Paths may end up encountering other Paths, these encounters shine a light onto the possible connection between the Paths, if there is a connection to make.
This leads me to make a rather insane theory … that IX the Nihility originally came from Nous the Erudition. With the Nihility nullifying other Paths, the Nihility could’ve nullified itself from the Path of Erudition. This wouldn’t be the first time an Aeon’s Path was altered.
I’ve recently learned that Long the Permanence once held onto Propagation, this is how the Vidyadhara were able to reproduce to the current number they now possess, at one point, reproduction was part of the Path of Permanence. However, one day Long disappeared into the stars, and some years later on, an insect felt so lonely that they ascended into Propagation, separating Permanence from Propagation. (The reason this was possible, is because the Propagation is solely about Propagating, nothing less, nothing more. It’s a Path of pure instinctual reproduction, so consequently, any philosophies, Paths and whatever else, becomes irrelevant to the Path of Propagation, including the philosophy of Propagation itself.)
Now, why would Nihility be under the Path of Erudition? Well, Nous was ordered to find meaning in everything, to discover that everything has meaning attached to it, this is known as Existentialism. Nihilism is to discover that everything has no meaning attached to it. Existentialism and Nihilism are two sides of the same coin (like Elation and Tragedy), so when IX the Nihility manifested, IX the Existentially was manifested as well. Thus, removing meaning from Erudition, forever altering the Path, and the Aeon presiding over the Path.
incredible theory and a joy to read! very good comment!
I think the problem with what you’re saying is that Erudition is the path of predictive knowledge, causal relations and understanding of them. Not of meaning. Also Device IX isn’t a faction. It’s an Aeon. Acheron’s goal is to destroy Device IX at “the end of the Nihility”. Probably some metaphysical dimension as she also said that the Nihility is omnipresent. Because of that, I find it hard to believe that the Nihility, a path that seems to be one of the more primal ones and basically bypasses certain rules of the universe would be created by Nous who was probably born after the dusk wars. What I will say is that after ascending, Nous in coming to understand all causality and being able to see the future probably understood how the Nihility works as well and maybe have been influenced by it. But I don’t know if Nous is the type of machine that can comprehend the Nihility at an emotional level (relating to it) so I can’t say if it was affected.
@@joaosantos-uj9uw Honestly, I forgot to clarify one thing concerning my theory.
Firstly, I don’t think that IX, the Aeon THEMSELF physically came from Nous. Only that the Path of Erudition originally included the Path of Nihilism/Existentialism. And when the Aeon of Nihility ascended, the Path of Nihility (and its counterpart) was removed from the Path of Erudition.
This theory of mine could easily debunked if we ever learn the true origins of IX the Nihility.
Now, I forgot to mention this, and … it changes my perception of the 3 star Lightcone Hidden Shadow. I believe it’s meant to depict a self-annihilator, and that our Aeon of Nihility was/is originally a Self-Annihilator, whose aspects of Nihility were so potent that they simply Self-Annihilated the same second THEY ascended.
Now, I’ve explained what Mechanism is, however I recently learned that Hidden Shadow is actually a real life phenomenon as well. It occurs whenever a source of light is directly over an object, that object should instantly be casting a shadow beneath the source of light. However, if that object is placed just perfectly underneath the Source of Light, then the only place for its shadow to go, is directly underneath the Object itself, making it a shadow we cannot see without moving the object, a Hidden Shadow.
I really don’t know if this has any significance on Self-Annihilators or if it’s simply a fun little fact.
So, this brings me to my changed perception of the meaning behind this Lightcone. With the philosophy of mechanism being that everything can be perfectly explained, it may make the individual feel like they are perfectly explainable, and consequently feel like they lose all of their uniqueness. This is just one potential possibility.
If IX fell for this philosophy of Mechanism, it might explain why they feel like everything will inevitably be consumed by the void. Why? Because it’s been explained to IX in THEIR comprehension, we don’t know what this Aeon knows, and I can’t find out with what we currently do know.
As for Nous the Erudition lacking emotional responses to whatever THEY find in front of THEM. If the Path of Nihility did indeed originate from the Path of Erudition, then Nous would’ve been affected by this change, and no longer calculates the meaning behind everything, there are many things that this could’ve caused that I just really can’t list due to our limited knowledge of the game.
Well theoretically and practically and actually canonically speaking, paths always existed, and there are hundreds if not thousands of them, but only when someone/something reaches the "peak" of it, then that person/thing reaches Aeonhood, yet even if an Aeon dies, the paths will still continue to exit, and the path can still be walked upon.
Now leaving the basic information aside.
I think it would be more accurate to say that when one of the 2 aeons ascended to aeonhood, then did these 2 path......sorry, I can't complete my idea right now, I will later if I remember, oh and the part about propagation was very interesting
Polka Kakamond just there to be Nous' Calculation Slave and kill rogue Genius Society member
wants to change the future, ignores the god of changing the future (Mythus), gets surprised she can't change the future...Fu Xuan reaaaalllly likes taking the harder way to get what she wants, huh?
at this point im convinced that polka kakamond is enigmata emanator or is on the way of becoming one
Is a part of the Genius Society so highly unlikely.
Idk if you guys know this but Nous is a head without a body‼️‼️
Its called droidhead for a reason
@@flamestorm31 oh!
Nous final form is essentially megamind
Those limewire viruses infected them enough to create sentience in them.
Polka Kakamond is HIMEKO. Same rose motifs on character designs. They both wear a black silk glove. From Gold and Gears we learn that Polka Kakamond killed Rubert, member #27 of the Genius Society. Based on Finality's prediction ("a silk accessory suitable for women will bring about the end"), we can assume she did so using one of her silk accessories. You know a silk accessory both her and Himeko have? The gloves. You know what Himeko is missing? One of her gloves... Enigmata's riddle ("they leave no question, but the answers are blood and flower") is also interesting. "Blood" and "flower" could relate to a rose, the motif present on both Himeko and Polka Kakamond. Himeko is probably thousands of years old
If that's true, this must be the cause why some Sky People wants to kill Himeko, but wrong target Himeko in HI3rd.
(Nerve worm/Parasite Alien Nicknamed "The Lover" from HI3rd)
Wait! Where did you find it? That Polka killed Rubert?
i'm gonna come back to this comment in the far future to see if you were right or wrong
@@maccavann8519 Indeed
@@iamkat92I've heard this too and I'm pretty sure it's canon knowledge, pretty sure it is in the gold and gears lore but not sure off the top
Fu Xuan having mindset of Gary Hobson from 'Early Edition' TV Series.
Could polka kakamond be related to enigmata? Isnt the whole thing abt enigmata is concealing information and such, could also possibly explain why she managed to erase her face everywhere.
That is certainly one of the prevailing theories, the idea being polka kakamond switched sides going to nous' opposition
there is also a theory of herta the unstoppable moving object and polka the unmoveable object, i forogt but apparently kakamond is trying to stop herta from learning everything. while herta believes nothing is a mystery sooner or later. so maybe polkla kakamond is almost like enigmata, by knowing a lot, she learn that no one should know everything. this is justa theory and non checked so yay :D
Just a thought I had but isn’t the divination commission the fictional equivalent of data mining since they are practically the same practice. Fu Xuan programs an ancient machine a specified algorithm to analyze information similar to how miners program a computer to analyze code.
Honestly, the divination commission should be renamed to the data extraction commission as it better fits the role and purpose of the commission; there is no divining but rather data extraction and analysis that the workers are undergoing. The future is in a sense variable and predicting the “future” by any means whether by divining possible scenarios or data mining produces similar results as in probable and likely outcomes that are predicted to occur in the future but are subject to interpretation and variance.
Also, in retrospect the alchemy commission should be renamed to the medical commission due to the commission focusing more on the medicinal properties of certain organic chemical substances derived from creature parts.
Technically, all of the astral express are data miners especially Dan Heng due the analysis of the data bank found within the game documenting information concerning the enemy creatures, light cones, factions, aeons, characters, relics, and terms.
Elation is everywhere.
Imo, Polka is Mythus. Ascended into Enigmata to counter Erudition after learning that Nous knows everything which translates to life has no choices.
Now that's an interesting thoery
... completely baseless
Wow u just pulled a Whole Aizen scenario on us
. hmm I playing the story machine and gold. I feel like polka trying to resist the fate what nous tell her. She not just going around and killing genius. In that story machine and gold playing in SU, I feel like she is trying to resist the future , But it not working, no matter how many time she trying to kill the emperor, he won't and never die until the moment nous said. No matter how many way she trying to do, it still not working, the emperor is not dead until the right that nous tell. So yeah,.. she trying to figure out how to escape the fate that nous tell, but not success. So she keep doing it, but we don't know yet that... The member she kill is right in the moment nous tell her or not. If not, she still not success no matter how many time, years,.... she fail to change the future.
I like to say Polka is a Ruan Mei alternate or perhaps a clone. We know Ruan Mei can create life, and what surprised me about Ruan Mei is on her release, she reminded me of Polka:
-white coat/clothing over shoulders, brown(?) hair back in a bun, and colors of Polka's disfigured portraits are similar to the colors in Ruan Mei's trailer where she talks about her childhood.
Maybe thats a reach, but im holding out
this video is very useful, I see what u did. interesting topic....it worth my 11min of time
By masked fool
Or the sea of quantum changes your fate
Tfw you already watched all the videos being advertised
You are not the target audience of this trickery.. i mean video 😂
Really liked the video, but i wanted to know if w have more info on tingyun, from the quest of this current versions, caution spoilers
When yukong and Feixiao are chatting, i read something along the lines of : fexiao fleet went searching for tingyun boat, or whatever the name is, and when feixiao said they said someone went before and it's revealed to be ruan mei. do we have a possibility to have tingyun back ? not as the original, but modified through ruan mei experiments ? if so, then why ruen mei would revive, maybe to see if someone with a longer lifespan can withstand the powers of an emanator, like what she did with the big blue bug ? Or maybe i'm wrong and i just extrapolated at 1 am while reading the quest...
Anyone waiting for Welt lore and intentions in HSR?
I dont think we'll get it anytime soon, I think with the next planet having hints of refueling the express it might be himekos time to shine as we get some backstory or explanations on the express. That said maybe she dies and welt does instead get some exposition
Perhaps Polka is Nous' own assassin? She could be an emanator like Herta, except tasked with the dirty work of ensuring a certain timeline. Herta does say they'd "have a lot to talk about," as an emanator of Nous herself she may have some insight she's not letting on. At the very least, it makes sense that Rupert would "have to go," suggesting that the anti-organic equation was antithetical to Nous' intended future. It seems possible to me that Nous has been able to calculate Finality itself (at least to a degree), and is running predictions like an emulator similar to how Herta et al have successfully run simulations of Aeons and indeed the entire universe (could help explain how the sim u was conceived, Herta may have been working with an existing precedent). For a clickbait video this was very inspiring 😂
Fun to think about, definitely one of the bigger areas of curiosity in the lore for me
Her acting on Nous' behalf could also suggest that THEY are actively covering her tracks, allowing her face to be hidden and records expunged, THEY are effectively the Aeon of information after all. Maybe that's why THEY stopped giving candid answers to seekers and adopted a cryptic approach to complement their new shadowy endeavors.
This is all off the top of my head, so there are likely contradictions to the theory but my curiosity is renewed, thoughts welcome
I got the limewire reference...
Im afraid I have bad news.. you likely have a terminal case of old 😂
Kakamond in german means poop moon XDD
Aoens do not care, they are not subject to being reasonable simply because they are what they were meant to become. You literally equated nous to mythus when they are polar opposites.
To be fair, the only accounts we have about aeons are often shrouded in myth. Meaning Aeons can act in any way the writers want them too. Furthermore, Yaoshi for example seems to be very "caring" on granting plentiful food and growth with a price.
Nous i certainly think "cares" but in a way that only an all knowing supercomputer can.
@@coffeeking9565 there is no way your trying to tell me that the writers can write nanook as a savior when he is out there destroying everything. Its already established that they will not steer out of their philosophy so no the writers cant just say fuck it and make Lan be passive for eternity.
Yaoshi was not being a caring aeon, THEY were just following their philosophy of eternal life and abundance thats why yaoshi agreed, do you think yoashi would agree to the xianzhou if their request was to kill nanook? Hell no because thats already out of the line
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Destruction is neutral. As it means it can harm friend or foe. So theoretically, you can form an alliance with the destruction just like the antimattet legion and the xianzhou did.
Yaoshi for all her harm, doesnt strip the borisin of their intellect or personhood. But does to the xianzhou. Why? I dont really know- but yaoshi and all the aeons arent inherently evil. Theyre forces of nature. Im not saying shes a saint- but to a specific select few, she can be viewed as one.
not really time wasted if i multitask
3:47 xd
I don't understand, was everything in this video a lie?
No its a legit theory I had, I just found it funny how much I was plugging my other videos so just included that "twist'" 😂