Can you expand on why you like this "fact" in particular? A lot of this is assumption but i think that Herta's line of thought and attitude towards life is a little bit passive in a general sense. Even though she makes revolutionary dicoveries, she is not particularly taking action to makes something new out of it, she just wants to 'know'. All of her actions are for the sake of 'knowing' something and not making new waves. Same goes for making the Sim Uni. To Polka, maybe herta can be convinced due to her passive nature. Or at the very least that is what she views herta as.
@@jonglopez5400 I just feel like anyone would have some sense of apprehension regarding the person who killed most of the members of the Genius Society. I'm pretty sure Polka's motivations are unknown to them so just openly inviting someone who has been known kill your kind is just so Herta in a way. I wonder though if Herta is really passive? I guess we just don't know enough to say that true. We know she thrive for knowledge but as for the usage of that knowledge isn't really show anywhere. I mean there is a list of her big achievements in the station which means nothing since they don't explain any of it expect the obvious de-aging she has used on herself.
Boy, I feel like I just got spoiled the entire plotline for version 6.0 haha. There's definitely a theme of fate and chaos in the story that's becoming ever more explicit, so your theory has some solid grounds. Let's see how it all develops
All of Hoyoverse's stories are based on 2 concepts, Taoist Yin Yang and Buddhist Earthly Desires. Yin and Yang means that there's no "pure evil/chaos", or "pure good/order", there is only Yin and Yang, the harder you try to do something, the harder it pushes back. You try too hard to do good or bad, it will fire back and cause more suffering. There's no such thing as "good" and "evil" because both are the cause and result of either, so neither is actually "good" or "evil", just Yin and Yang. The brightest light will cast the darkest shadow, light will shine brightest in the darkest night. Equilibrium will always set things back into balance, Yin and Yang is the entire circle symbol, not just either half. The Trailblazer is not just Chaos, or Order, they are both, the Yin Yang as a whole, their actions will bring balance to the universe. Earthly Desires states that Desire leads to Attachment, the more you are Attached to something, your Dreams and Desires, the more you will cause Suffering to yourself and others. Dreams are not just good things, in order to achieve them, you need to sacrifice your time and life and step on others who have similar Dreams or Paths that crosses yours. Desires create Paths in your life, if your Dream is to be the no.1 Street Fighter champion, you will create a Path in your life where you'll travel around arcades and tournaments and play Street Fighter with other players, there's no other Dream that will take you on this extremely specific Path, your Destiny. As Genshin has stated many times, your Dreams will tie down your Fate and create your Destiny, and as Vita from Honkai 3rd has stated, Dreams are rules you've set upon yourself, by having Dreams, it means that's you've created a Path in life. Destiny, Finality, Heavenly Principles, all of them are the total outcome of all Desires, Dreams and Paths in the universe combined. In order to achieve your Dreams, you will cross Paths with others, if you want to be the Street Fighter champion, it means you will personally have to defeat all others with the same Dream, you will step on their Dreams and end their Paths. Your Attachment to your Desire will bring suffering to others and to yourself as you face obstacles and struggles as you continue on your Path. This back and forth is Chaos and Order, Yin and Yang at work, the result is inevitable Destiny. And the Astral Express is a train with no Tracks because the Trailblaze Path is a Path that is opposing Destiny, which is why the Stellaron Hunters is said to be the enemy of the Trailblazers. However they are actually working towards the same goal because they are two sides of the same coin, Yin and Yang, and the Trailblazer is that coin, created by the Stellaron Hunters, as a member of the Astral Express.
No, Nous has basically figured/calculated every single thing in the universe from beginning to end and everything between. All answers knowledge and outcomes he's figured out. Polka is preventing events that would make Nous' calculations null aka going outside even HIS knowledge leading into chaos(aka chaos theory) unknowns (Circle of Knowledge)
Id put it as she's ensuring we all remain within the garden of forking paths taking the choices the garden presents to us as opposed to deciding to cut through one of the Bushes or burn the garden in order to effectively escape it. Or limiting choices and options in order to control and define outcomes
While us over in Earth break our asses trying to fool the Honkai and adapt to Finality, Kakamond over here single-handedly prevent that shit from even getting close
Now that I think about. I think, this would eventually link up with hi3, being the world that free from the influence of the pre determined fate. Kiana being represent the unknown possibility trying to reach the unknown future.
Not just represent, she's the only Kiana variant that deviates from all other Honkai timelines as she's the clone of the original Kiana playing the role of Kiana. Otto created her to be an unknown variable to oppose destiny (quite ironic considering Schickshal literally means Destiny), and in turn, he was the only Otto variant that succeeded in what he was striving for and got his happy ending. I still hate the guy, but my respect for him is insurmountable just because of that
@@dan_chen that is the thing, since that is the only timeline that deviate, she represent what freedom of possibility is, something that all other aeon scared of. remember he said that there is a calculation. because there is an endless possibility that it technically create an error leading him to unknowable result. because of that aeon is technically scared, the possibility of every aeon cease to exist where destiny is undetermine. and kiana's timeline is one of those possibility. with the addition of vita. they technically had a power to contend with an aeon
@@darknessknows1235 except, the fact that they can't gaze on a certain place because a certain barrier prevent aeon to do so, tells us something, and you can't repute that one. second, vita has access to the sea of quanta which is, yeah. if i remember correctly lore wise, is the opposite of what imaginary tree is and third. yes, it was a head canon base on those two fact alone. if aeon is really that strong, or should i say. transcended beyond current reality. they should be able atleast see or sense that barrier that on that certain place. and the fact that they didn't tell us quite a lot. and that is there is a way to contend against them even without the other aeon
@@ganoloth1929 The barrier did not prevent earth solar system from being gazes by the Aeons because people from outside worlds already able to bypass the barrier and explore the vast universe with the authority given by the Aeons. If you think back, Aeons has nothing to do in Sol and THEY also have no followers in Sol because the lack of knowledge about outside worlds just like what Vita said in the lastest chp
I found this theory by my self and i will drop it here, sorry if OOT Did you guys realize from early story, at every Planets they explain our Main Enemy step by step Herta space station > they introduce Nanook Belobog > they explain what Stellaron can do Xianzou > they introduce Panthylia (Lord Raveger) Penacony > even the story didnt talk about destruction they still mention Zulo (Lord Raveger) And here is my theory, in the next planet we will meet another Lord Ravager Zephyro.. If u ask why?, the anwer because next planet will take greek myth as reference And Zephyro is from Greek Mythology, thats name meaning God of wind (look at HSR Wiki) And thats it, i think the main Villains for the next planet will be Him, or at least the reason why next planet was fall into destruction is because of Him. And i believe they will keep introduce our enemy slowly, step by step.. and just to remind Kafka said our last boss is Nanook, so he and his followers is our big enemy later
The Xianzhou talks about a Lord Ravager that is a "Master of Chess" and is on VERY high alert. We might see that one thanks to the chess board appearance in the trailer and everything turning into chaos.
I think it's the chess player since Zephyro being a combination of Zephyrus from the Greek mythology doesn't mean that much if there can be other plants that can be like Greek too like ruan mei and the xianzhou being chinese style but ruan mei isn't from the xianzhou also sparkle and acheron coming from japanese style planet but they both aren't connected too lol
@@Cubo-Doodle Chess Player, Zephyro, and Sun Devourer.. based on the trailer, one of them has a chance of becoming the main villain on the next planet,
Mysterious figure playing chess behind the confilct = Chess Player Before the destruction begin, the sky covered by dark glue = Sun Devourer Greek Refrence = Zephyro who ever Hoyo choose, i think it will became banger.. because 3 of them is looks stronger and more threatening than Phantylia
The points you brought up, funnily enough, bear a striking resemblance to the overarching plot of Gurren Lagann. A highly advanced cosmic entity/civilization akin to a god glimpses the demise of the universe due to unchecked progress of spiral beings, thus opted to seal themselves to prevent the universe from going kaput while policing other spiral beings like themselves from reaching the truth they glimpsed. Knowing that the writers at MHY are ginormous fans of EVA and the works of Trigger (gainax's spiritual successor), I won't be surprised that your theories actually hold water. Furthermore, back when it was just Honkai Impact, cycles and samsaras were a big part of the storytelling. The universe being managed like a grand cosmic samsara with set rules and events is certainly not outside the realm of possibility. Furthermore, Honkai Impact has just been linked to HSR in its latest chapter where it was suggested that Earth, and possibly by extension the solar system, is apparently outside the purview of the presiding pantheon of Aeons. The solitary Record Keeper that made contact with Earth goddess tuna (who for all intents and purposes is pretty much an emanator of Finality) was perplexed and wondered which of the Aeons if any are actually in charge of this mysterious tiny speck of a star system in the vast cosmos. I can't quite imagine how Earth will fit into the Aeon drama but I think somehow its seemingly unique situation will act as a case study on how the bland cycle of order can be broken. And another funny development, Sparkle herself travels to the solar system to recruit Vita, one of the key characters in Honkai Impact part 2. She is essentially a cosmic being who can go in and out of the Sea of Quanta at will and possibly also at the level of an emanator after she inherited the powers and authority of her benefactor/creator Sa (also a cosmic being.) Sparkle wants Vita to join the Masked fools. How it plays out, well I'll find out when the update rolls out in the next few days.
i think something similar is going on but what puzzles me the most is why did HooH remove Ena from the picture? literally Aeon of Order we are talking about here, wouldn't HooH want them to be alive out of any Aeon? unless Harmony already fullfils the role Ena had to play and even more, that's the only reason i can think of right now
It is interesting theory but it is kinda ignoring the whole debate between Polka and Herta. It ignores the fact that The Herta, who sees Nous’es greatest teaching in expansion of knowledge - is THEIR Emanator. Emanation is bestowed personally, there is no automation in this process. So i don’t think it is as easy as Nous just wants to come to a predetermined future. All the genius society shtick, all erudition pathstriders and Emanators are THEIR debate with Themselves “Should one pursue the unknown or stay in the predetermined”
But what about Nanook? Which side is he on? TBH I can see him being on either side, but I would lean on Chaos side. Which means maybe someday wi will ally with him against the Order Aeons. And maybe after that we will have to fight him so he won’t destroy everything that remains. And who even is Elio and why is he helping us? So many questions.
the golden blood is strong related to Nanook that bleeding golden blood The Titans goin mad is hard to guess which one, the unlimited black spawn from Acheron world or the belobog Stellaron infection, its even possible that 13 "Flamechaser" is the only thing that holding back Lord Ravager from bring total destruction in Amphoreus ( as if They try to, after the planet lost Ena's Blessing ) Nihility and Finality Shares same last page of purpose/ending yet different act. I think Finality is weaker than Remembrance Authority, but Nihility will never be able goes with Remembrance that "remember everything" So the most possibly involved in Amphoreus is Nanook, IX, Fuli Consider Ena not counted as the World lost her bless / her power cant reach there anymore.
If this is true then how are those involved in the gold path different from Sunday? At least Sunday wanted people to be free of suffering in his predetermined lives
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I just like the fact that she killed most of the genius society and Herta is just like yo you there? I love to talk with you.
Can you expand on why you like this "fact" in particular?
A lot of this is assumption but i think that Herta's line of thought and attitude towards life is a little bit passive in a general sense. Even though she makes revolutionary dicoveries, she is not particularly taking action to makes something new out of it, she just wants to 'know'. All of her actions are for the sake of 'knowing' something and not making new waves. Same goes for making the Sim Uni.
To Polka, maybe herta can be convinced due to her passive nature. Or at the very least that is what she views herta as.
@@jonglopez5400 I just feel like anyone would have some sense of apprehension regarding the person who killed most of the members of the Genius Society.
I'm pretty sure Polka's motivations are unknown to them so just openly inviting someone who has been known kill your kind is just so Herta in a way.
I wonder though if Herta is really passive? I guess we just don't know enough to say that true. We know she thrive for knowledge but as for the usage of that knowledge isn't really show anywhere. I mean there is a list of her big achievements in the station which means nothing since they don't explain any of it expect the obvious de-aging she has used on herself.
@@jonglopez5400 It wasn't that deep bro,it's just very silly of her
Never meet your heroes, herta learnt the hard way 😂
'Rules are made to be broken!'
That has come up quite a few times 😂
Don’t forget, chaos existed before gods in Greek mythology aka the new planet.
Khaos?
@@ethernian2461 forgot it
I've always wondered if we are ever going to get a hint of anything primordial in the hsr universe like the first aeon or path or something
from this theory, now i know why the "honkai" sealed its own universe from the others. unable to be detected by the others outside.
Boy, I feel like I just got spoiled the entire plotline for version 6.0 haha. There's definitely a theme of fate and chaos in the story that's becoming ever more explicit, so your theory has some solid grounds. Let's see how it all develops
Wouldnt that be hilarious if it spoils some future story😂
All of Hoyoverse's stories are based on 2 concepts, Taoist Yin Yang and Buddhist Earthly Desires. Yin and Yang means that there's no "pure evil/chaos", or "pure good/order", there is only Yin and Yang, the harder you try to do something, the harder it pushes back. You try too hard to do good or bad, it will fire back and cause more suffering.
There's no such thing as "good" and "evil" because both are the cause and result of either, so neither is actually "good" or "evil", just Yin and Yang. The brightest light will cast the darkest shadow, light will shine brightest in the darkest night.
Equilibrium will always set things back into balance, Yin and Yang is the entire circle symbol, not just either half. The Trailblazer is not just Chaos, or Order, they are both, the Yin Yang as a whole, their actions will bring balance to the universe.
Earthly Desires states that Desire leads to Attachment, the more you are Attached to something, your Dreams and Desires, the more you will cause Suffering to yourself and others. Dreams are not just good things, in order to achieve them, you need to sacrifice your time and life and step on others who have similar Dreams or Paths that crosses yours.
Desires create Paths in your life, if your Dream is to be the no.1 Street Fighter champion, you will create a Path in your life where you'll travel around arcades and tournaments and play Street Fighter with other players, there's no other Dream that will take you on this extremely specific Path, your Destiny. As Genshin has stated many times, your Dreams will tie down your Fate and create your Destiny, and as Vita from Honkai 3rd has stated, Dreams are rules you've set upon yourself, by having Dreams, it means that's you've created a Path in life. Destiny, Finality, Heavenly Principles, all of them are the total outcome of all Desires, Dreams and Paths in the universe combined.
In order to achieve your Dreams, you will cross Paths with others, if you want to be the Street Fighter champion, it means you will personally have to defeat all others with the same Dream, you will step on their Dreams and end their Paths. Your Attachment to your Desire will bring suffering to others and to yourself as you face obstacles and struggles as you continue on your Path.
This back and forth is Chaos and Order, Yin and Yang at work, the result is inevitable Destiny. And the Astral Express is a train with no Tracks because the Trailblaze Path is a Path that is opposing Destiny, which is why the Stellaron Hunters is said to be the enemy of the Trailblazers. However they are actually working towards the same goal because they are two sides of the same coin, Yin and Yang, and the Trailblazer is that coin, created by the Stellaron Hunters, as a member of the Astral Express.
This is very insightful
Beautiful comment
very well written sir. my hat to you.
Love this. Thank you
Ngl very insightful
So basically, Polka is making sure that the universe doesn't level up?
No,
Nous has basically figured/calculated every single thing in the universe from beginning to end and everything between. All answers knowledge and outcomes he's figured out.
Polka is preventing events that would make Nous' calculations null aka going outside even HIS knowledge leading into chaos(aka chaos theory) unknowns (Circle of Knowledge)
@@NiaTheMilkTank polka's a frikin simp smh
Id put it as she's ensuring we all remain within the garden of forking paths taking the choices the garden presents to us as opposed to deciding to cut through one of the Bushes or burn the garden in order to effectively escape it.
Or limiting choices and options in order to control and define outcomes
This theory was really intriguing! I never thought about it like that. It definitely gives me a new perspective on the storyline
If it turns out to be true im secretly elio, if its wrong then its a brain fart 😂
While us over in Earth break our asses trying to fool the Honkai and adapt to Finality, Kakamond over here single-handedly prevent that shit from even getting close
She carrying the existence of the universe on her censored back 😂
Now that I think about. I think, this would eventually link up with hi3, being the world that free from the influence of the pre determined fate. Kiana being represent the unknown possibility trying to reach the unknown future.
Not just represent, she's the only Kiana variant that deviates from all other Honkai timelines as she's the clone of the original Kiana playing the role of Kiana. Otto created her to be an unknown variable to oppose destiny (quite ironic considering Schickshal literally means Destiny), and in turn, he was the only Otto variant that succeeded in what he was striving for and got his happy ending. I still hate the guy, but my respect for him is insurmountable just because of that
@@dan_chen that is the thing, since that is the only timeline that deviate, she represent what freedom of possibility is, something that all other aeon scared of. remember he said that there is a calculation. because there is an endless possibility that it technically create an error leading him to unknowable result. because of that aeon is technically scared, the possibility of every aeon cease to exist where destiny is undetermine. and kiana's timeline is one of those possibility. with the addition of vita. they technically had a power to contend with an aeon
@@ganoloth1929 lmao okay shiller with the aeon/kiana interaction headcanons
@@darknessknows1235 except, the fact that they can't gaze on a certain place because a certain barrier prevent aeon to do so, tells us something, and you can't repute that one. second, vita has access to the sea of quanta which is, yeah. if i remember correctly lore wise, is the opposite of what imaginary tree is and third. yes, it was a head canon base on those two fact alone. if aeon is really that strong, or should i say. transcended beyond current reality. they should be able atleast see or sense that barrier that on that certain place. and the fact that they didn't tell us quite a lot. and that is there is a way to contend against them even without the other aeon
@@ganoloth1929 The barrier did not prevent earth solar system from being gazes by the Aeons because people from outside worlds already able to bypass the barrier and explore the vast universe with the authority given by the Aeons. If you think back, Aeons has nothing to do in Sol and THEY also have no followers in Sol because the lack of knowledge about outside worlds just like what Vita said in the lastest chp
I found this theory by my self and i will drop it here, sorry if OOT
Did you guys realize from early story, at every Planets they explain our Main Enemy step by step
Herta space station > they introduce Nanook
Belobog > they explain what Stellaron can do
Xianzou > they introduce Panthylia (Lord Raveger)
Penacony > even the story didnt talk about destruction they still mention Zulo (Lord Raveger)
And here is my theory, in the next planet we will meet another Lord Ravager Zephyro..
If u ask why?, the anwer because next planet will take greek myth as reference
And Zephyro is from Greek Mythology, thats name meaning God of wind (look at HSR Wiki)
And thats it, i think the main Villains for the next planet will be Him, or at least the reason why next planet was fall into destruction is because of Him.
And i believe they will keep introduce our enemy slowly, step by step.. and just to remind Kafka said our last boss is Nanook, so he and his followers is our big enemy later
The Xianzhou talks about a Lord Ravager that is a "Master of Chess" and is on VERY high alert. We might see that one thanks to the chess board appearance in the trailer and everything turning into chaos.
I think it's the chess player since Zephyro being a combination of Zephyrus from the Greek mythology doesn't mean that much if there can be other plants that can be like Greek too like ruan mei and the xianzhou being chinese style but ruan mei isn't from the xianzhou also sparkle and acheron coming from japanese style planet but they both aren't connected too lol
@@Cubo-Doodle Chess Player, Zephyro, and Sun Devourer.. based on the trailer, one of them has a chance of becoming the main villain on the next planet,
Mysterious figure playing chess behind the confilct = Chess Player
Before the destruction begin, the sky covered by dark glue = Sun Devourer
Greek Refrence = Zephyro
who ever Hoyo choose, i think it will became banger.. because 3 of them is looks stronger and more threatening than Phantylia
@@Shadow-fu3mf uh yes I totally
Agree
The points you brought up, funnily enough, bear a striking resemblance to the overarching plot of Gurren Lagann. A highly advanced cosmic entity/civilization akin to a god glimpses the demise of the universe due to unchecked progress of spiral beings, thus opted to seal themselves to prevent the universe from going kaput while policing other spiral beings like themselves from reaching the truth they glimpsed. Knowing that the writers at MHY are ginormous fans of EVA and the works of Trigger (gainax's spiritual successor), I won't be surprised that your theories actually hold water.
Furthermore, back when it was just Honkai Impact, cycles and samsaras were a big part of the storytelling. The universe being managed like a grand cosmic samsara with set rules and events is certainly not outside the realm of possibility. Furthermore, Honkai Impact has just been linked to HSR in its latest chapter where it was suggested that Earth, and possibly by extension the solar system, is apparently outside the purview of the presiding pantheon of Aeons. The solitary Record Keeper that made contact with Earth goddess tuna (who for all intents and purposes is pretty much an emanator of Finality) was perplexed and wondered which of the Aeons if any are actually in charge of this mysterious tiny speck of a star system in the vast cosmos. I can't quite imagine how Earth will fit into the Aeon drama but I think somehow its seemingly unique situation will act as a case study on how the bland cycle of order can be broken.
And another funny development, Sparkle herself travels to the solar system to recruit Vita, one of the key characters in Honkai Impact part 2. She is essentially a cosmic being who can go in and out of the Sea of Quanta at will and possibly also at the level of an emanator after she inherited the powers and authority of her benefactor/creator Sa (also a cosmic being.) Sparkle wants Vita to join the Masked fools. How it plays out, well I'll find out when the update rolls out in the next few days.
i think something similar is going on but what puzzles me the most is why did HooH remove Ena from the picture? literally Aeon of Order we are talking about here, wouldn't HooH want them to be alive out of any Aeon? unless Harmony already fullfils the role Ena had to play and even more, that's the only reason i can think of right now
After this video bro disappeared and a mysterious shroud was put over the video....
It is interesting theory but it is kinda ignoring the whole debate between Polka and Herta. It ignores the fact that The Herta, who sees Nous’es greatest teaching in expansion of knowledge - is THEIR Emanator. Emanation is bestowed personally, there is no automation in this process. So i don’t think it is as easy as Nous just wants to come to a predetermined future. All the genius society shtick, all erudition pathstriders and Emanators are THEIR debate with Themselves “Should one pursue the unknown or stay in the predetermined”
This is about to be Absolute peak i already know
Or absolute nonsense, there is no in between 😂
I really like this possible version of the story
Tbh i like this theory , you got me thinking now lol
That is the point also I just like to yap a lot 😁
wILDEST HSR THEORY 3.0 Blade rerun .-. and I finally get to E6s5 my mans
At this point im just rooting for ya 😂
@@Maevix3142 Thank you .-. You're so kind :D
you should add bg music to ur commentaries
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Really interesting theory 🫡🫡
...why is it that so many erudition emanators act like the Enigmata?
But what about Nanook? Which side is he on?
TBH I can see him being on either side, but I would lean on Chaos side. Which means maybe someday wi will ally with him against the Order Aeons. And maybe after that we will have to fight him so he won’t destroy everything that remains.
And who even is Elio and why is he helping us?
So many questions.
the golden blood is strong related to Nanook that bleeding golden blood
The Titans goin mad is hard to guess which one, the unlimited black spawn from Acheron world or the belobog Stellaron infection, its even possible that 13 "Flamechaser" is the only thing that holding back Lord Ravager from bring total destruction in Amphoreus ( as if They try to, after the planet lost Ena's Blessing )
Nihility and Finality Shares same last page of purpose/ending yet different act. I think Finality is weaker than Remembrance Authority, but Nihility will never be able goes with Remembrance that "remember everything"
So the most possibly involved in Amphoreus is Nanook, IX, Fuli
Consider Ena not counted as the World lost her bless / her power cant reach there anymore.
WAIT so polka is basically just a history fictionologist???
"They say it's my duty to fight against the Law, that wizardry's my trade and I was made to through gore." - BOC, "Black Blade" 😉🙃
If this is true then how are those involved in the gold path different from Sunday? At least Sunday wanted people to be free of suffering in his predetermined lives
Keep cooking my man
Let's go
I'm gonna watch it later i guess
Oh cool this is an smt game now
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Very cool theory :)
12:32 😂😂
Hiiiii
25 seconds 0 views bro fell off :v
Haha, definitely a new record! 25 seconds with 0 views, that’s next level
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