I mean powerful characters like her that are able to come back, die all the time. It's not surprising tbh, she's just supposed to be that tough guy that dies so that everyone freaks out and loses hope like, "If she was killed, what chance do we have?"
That wasn't the phonix anymore she literally destroyed the phonix and Jean as concepts or because she held back and used the borrowed powers instead of full power she mercy absorbed Jean and phonix waiting for Jean to come back
I kinda hope that Death Battle would do one Marvel vs DC on Laura Kinney aka X 23 vs Rose Wilson aka Ravager. Two girls with father issues, who eventually becomes just like them.
Jean Grey of all people barging into someone's home and accusing them of having a inner demon that needs to be destroyed is one of the biggest bruh moments ever.
20:19 “Will the the Phoenix rise again, returning from that far shore? Quoth the Raven: Nevermore” Yo that was lowkey one of the coldest lines I’ve ever heard.
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 They use different versions all the time. Also, most people are familiar with the Teen Titans animated version when she's a lot stronger in the comics. Using just one version of these characters would make things rather boring.
which is crazy given how marvel users are all mainly "glass canon" when we have zatanna casually hanging her own neck but still bein alive , the most underrated and underestimated would be enchantress too she managed to beat the jl , raven , zatanna , reality warp on multiversal scale but still her la action vers didnt do any justice to her @@jarelldavis31
I love it when a match can be between beings of similar power levels with common themes and struggles, and still one can simply sum it up as something like “shadow bird fights flame bird let’s goooooo!”
@@usshared1649 The version of Raven here is composite (I think) and the character overall is very inconsistent from what I've heard. Phoenix is considered one of the strongest beings in Marvel!
@@aresgeralduy5052 It alternated back and forth a few times, generally with the momentum of the fight. Easier to notice if you follow the link to the song by itself and listen there.
The music was absolutely on point. Matched the tone and rhythms of the most noteworthy eras of both characters, with nods to both individual themes, while still sounding cohesive and modern. Truly a great composition.
@@Unagi776 it is, thankfully dimitri has quite a few, he can be scaled to the old crusaders of genealogy of the holy war as they had dragon blood and descendants of dragonkin are quite literally demigods on any battlefield
@@dephony5648 Once Discord v Bill shows up later this year it will be the fourth time, which is just as much as Avatar and Final Fantasy to name a few.
The moment they pointed out that Jean must maintain her soul to be revived and that Raven can just casually destroy souls, it was clear who the winner was.
@@ronnie3613 Pre-Crisis Supes. As in equal to Superboy Prime who pushed Thanagar across a galaxy into orbit around Rann so quickly that no one on either planet noticed until "sun rise".
Jean telling raven that she’s too dangerous to live is hypocritical considering how it’s Jean with Phoenix that can’t control her powers and causes more harm to the innocent while raven keeps her powers in check
Gotta love how they inaccurately portray a character they made fun throughout her character description. The writing was on the wall before the battle even began. All bias aside, Phoenix clears
Yin and Yang? I thought for sure that the Cipher symbol was the question mark, to represent the confusion over the complete lack of any research you actually did on Phoenix because you were too busy chain-scale wanking Raven to infinite multiversal and pretending that Phoenix doesn't have the same ability as the Ultimate Nullifier, since she's destroyed cosmic beings who represent eternal abstract concepts, and beaten them. And then you also invented that she was weak to soul hax (She's not.)
In Phoenix : endsong Jean said she and Phoenix are one, so i think that Raven could not take or erase Jean Grey soul cause Phoenix is a entity and actually they are one, in the last official Phoenix movie a Blonde woman tried to do take Phoenix soul but Jean was in Control and didnt let It happen, another fact is that Marvel and DC or something like that Said that Raven is equal in Power in their own worlds( Marvel and DC worlds ) with Jean Grey or Phoenix i Heard this somewhere i think you can found the font of that info too, so we can say with total certaintity that Jean lose or Raven lose, Is all about the script and writer decision lol Sorry i tried to talk correctly but my english is not fluent, i am from south america.
Except, Phoenix can't die. The whole Omiverse is connected to her and one time, Galactus tried do erase A SINGLE fragmet of Phoenix and ALL of the universe started dying as a result. He gave up destroying her so reality could survive. The funny thing is, Phoenix didn't even tried to resist because she knew the consequences and knew Galactus would back down. Again, all of that was just a tiny fragment of the Phoenix Force. Can you imagine the kind of damage killing the entirety of Phoenix could do?
I thought that it supposed to be the Phoenix not Jean as the host of the Phoenix against Raven and the Phoenix Phoenix did regenerate Hope soul before 😂😂😂😂😂😂
They literally just fabricated the soul weakness for Phoenix. It’s never been mentioned before in comics and she has even regenerated life, souls included. So total fabrication.
@@BARDOCK550 I don't know about "mega stomp". Yes, Raven destroyed all of creation, as the Unkindness, but as the video said, the Phoenix held back the destruction of all creation, too. And, the Phoenix Force can touch all universes in existence, so wouldn't that make the Phoenix on even scaling with Raven? They both can reach the very ends of existence.
Once they said the Phoenix Force can regenerate everything but Jeans soul, then hearing how Raven can literally just tear souls out from others. It was a no brainer how the fight was gonna end.
Point is if she did that outside then ok . But in white room . Dude that's a place equivalent to house of ideas. Fking beyonder is afraid of pheonix in that place .
bruh phoenix force predate multiverse is god of psychic and creator of mutant powers and infinite possibilities also a reality warper it could have just turn raven into a regular human
I normally will roll my eyes at Boomstick's puns at the end, maybe a snort or a chuckle if it's somewhat good, but the bit of poetry at the end with the Poe reference was actually pretty badass here.
Raven will always be my favorite DC character. I remember as a kid watching Teen Titans and her summoning of Trigon: "The gem was born of evil's fire, the gem shall be his portal. He comes the slay, he comes the sire. The end of all things mortal." As an adult her words still gives me chills.
@@Hakuyoma Because nobody stays dead in comics, unless you're Uncle Ben, Thomas and Martha Wayne, and the Simpsons (and no I don't mean the ones from the show that never ends)
I kinda hope that Death Battle would do one Marvel vs DC on Laura Kinney aka X 23 vs Rose Wilson aka Ravager. Two girls with father issues, who eventually becomes just like them.
20:17 How is Boomstick really just gonna drop an absolute FIRE (psuedo-parody) poetry line like, "Will the Phoenix rise again? Returning from that far, far shore? Quothe the Raven- Nevermore!" and nobody going to acknowledge nor expound on that?!?! I got CHILLS
There's an old comedy skit called "Angel Summoner & The BMX Bandit" that kinda covers that trope. One can call forth the divine host at will to do his bidding, the other is really good at trick-riding a BMX bike. Together, they fight crime.
Jean's superpower is actually one of the greatest superpower. Molecular telekinesis. Basically, she can manipulate the smallest particles at will, thus cause any effect possible within physics. And possably break them.
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I do love these battle sequences. Especially the amusing "This is my final form!", "Ahaha you thought that was my final form? THIS is my final form!", "you are strong, but my final form has ANOTHER final form!!", "agh no... bested by your final forms final, final, final form that was only discovered when your final final form was defeated".
It makes sense if you don’t know what you’re up against you’re not going to start off as your strongest self. Thatd be like breaking out a shotgun to kill an ant.
Except Phoenix isn't and Raven is nowhere powerful enough to attempt it. She tries then Jean rips Raven's brain from her head and burns whatever remains. This would include Raven's soul being burned.
Don't forget the time Trigon fought Darkseid and spent thw majority of the fight laughing and mocking Darkseid, then pulled him into a Boomtube with no exit while still laughing
If I had a nickel for every time a magic using female DC hero beat an ultra powerful female Marvel character in a death battle, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
@@julianmitchell3035this is exactly why this animation sucked. It was so short. There was hardly any fighting at all, just endless attempts at absorbing each others powers and fire/dark energy blasts at each other. This fight sucked.
Raven vs twilight: her strongest feat was lifting titans tower Phoenix vs Raven: Raven moving a moon at 17:05 Damn, either Raven got some serious buffs since her fight with twilight or titans tower is as heavy a moon.
If 40+ years of Titans comics have taught me anything, it's that if you want to stop the darkness inside Raven, the best thing you can do is provide emotional support, and the very worst thing you can do is start a fight with her. I half expected Jean to win, but when she impolitely picked a fight with someone who's peacefully meditating in their pacifist home, I'm glad she got to learn the same lesson as everyone else. Now, maybe when Jean has resurrected they can have a nice, calm chat about how they can help each other out as eternity rolls by.
@@stancinatti8198 Well i mean DB did create their own noncannon weakness for the pheonix to lose this fight. As she has been able to revive souls on multiple occasions. It wasn't really a weakness anymore.
@@stancinatti8198 then what she blew out ones Jean's and the phonix force itself pride meing rement of the phonix force were spared or raven with just her breath erase Jean and the phonix force from fiction
@@bluezebra6701Raven in cartoons is constantly shown to be underwhelming but her comic book self has always been a threat. Don’t know why they never gave her a faithful adaptation
@@bluezebra6701If you're thinking about the cartoon versions of Raven, you're right, but the comic book versions? ... She counters all of Jean, on top of being powerful enough to match her without directly countering her. Raven is legit absurbdly op. Also, sometimes you can have the most op abilities, but if you get hard countered, tough luck.
When they're both functionally immortal but only one has the ability to destroy the soul of the other, it wasn't hard to figure out how this was going to end.
At least in this one it's a canon power. Dante vs Bayonetta was stupid (he supposedly can't lose because he's just incapable of death, although the creator of both characters suggested otherwise) and Tifa vs Yang was poorly based (I love RWBY and would otherwise be happy for Yang to win, but Aura doesn't have ridiculous levels of durability. Remember the part where she literally lost her arm to a (yes, powered-up) sword slice? Punching a pillar with a person sandwiched between still does most of the force to the PILLAR, her Aura largely just prevented her being fully crushed by what forces were actually on her.).
@@JarieSuicune these clowns get their info from google search and are really biased based on the fanbase. these vids should only be taken as a entertainment.
Phoenix Force actually can destroy the soul. Dunno how Death Battle missed one of the most basic things, but Phoenix Force consumes souls. It actually learned how to manipulate souls too in the wake of Rachael Grey, it now borrows souls from the future to resurrect people. And with Phoenix Force absorbing part of The Beyonder and it's powers, it's a multiversal entity. Raven would have to purge the entirety of existence of it's souls in order to snuff out the Phoenix Force canonically, assuming the Phoenix Force didn't do it back to her in the interim.
@@jazirionthomas8569 They mentioned part of it, and did not mention the factoid about consuming and utilizing souls, and then promptly forgot to apply it in the fight itself any ways.
15:13 My assumption here was they were having a conversation in the mental space while Jean was on her way informing Raven what she wanted to do and Raven was trying to convince her to stop. Neither side would listen and that’s why they fight as soon as she shows up.
@@ContagiousSponge A not very cool fire emblem character from a middling fire emblem game. Idk why they didn't use one of the more well-known characters, it's not like they have a shortage of weird feats of power and mystical weapons.
@@ContagiousSpongeA lord in Fire Emblem: Three Houses (and prince of Faerghus). The crest of Blaiddyd gives him inhuman strength, and Areadbhar grants him the combat art Atrocity, which is pretty OP
@@ContagiousSpongecharacter from fire emblem three houses. Prince/king of holy kingdom of Faerghus. Basically he is super strong and has a weapon made from bones of dragon(?) which allegedly can cut mountains
I'm glad Raven won but kinda disappointed they didn’t mention Raven's feats as the Unkindness properly. For those who dont know, she killed and absorbed literally every creation, every superheroes, supervillains, planets, heavens, new genesis and everything. She absorbed all that power and made it her own. No one was even able to stop her at the end. The only one who survived is Black Adam who time traveled to the past before Raven became The Unkindness cause that was literally the only way to stop her. She was confirmed to be on the same level as The Presence (the god of dc) by the author
Ahh, someone who finally speaks English. I "HOPE" that no one from the marvel side sees this. They don't understand that Raven is more powerful than the Pheonix.
@@chilliciouspatrioticmeatloverBased on feats, scaling, author’s words, etc. Raven is nowhere near Raven. Plus, the author never said that about The Presence, he confirmed he had no idea what the character represented and scaled, and immediately changed it.
They didn't explain it much because they didn't use it that version in the fight, it would've been overkill. They used white Raven with the gold rings that bonded with Azarath.
Just like with Apocalypse and Black Adam’s Death Battle I love that it’s hinted that Raven and Jean know each other. After all DC and Marvel have crossed over several times. It would make sense. I would even venture to guess they’re friends given how similar they are. Would also explain why they both apologized for having to kill each other.
Fantastic episode!! It’s really insane how powerful Jean & Raven are. Couldn’t ask for a better birdfight, as the phoenix challenges the raven, nevermore.
The "editor's note" about Jean's death at the recent Hellfire Gala had me in tears. I was JUST about to say that she died recently out loud, and then they did that. Beautiful.
To the people saying Phoenix can restore souls, it doesn''t matter. Raven diedn't destroy Jean's soul, she absorbed it. And you can't restore a soul that still exists, that's soul cloning, which the phoenix has never been shown capable of.
@tyu168 raven is capable of destroying all dc marvel bro. Both literally have done this. But I bepeave raven went even further destroying the God sphere and the speed force.
If Raven absorbed Phoenix's soul and/or the Phoenix Force, then Phoenix could just use that to burn her from the inside. Absorbing the Phoenix Force isn't a great idea when you're fighting someone who has complete control over the Phoenix Force.
remember Superman's "This world is like cardboard to me. I have to always hold back. If I lose control even for a moment, someone could die." ? that speech is also easily... Raven's .
Just to clarify for everyone. Dark and Un Kindness Raven aren’t “insane” like House of M Wanda. She’s just more prone to wanting to kill you. And yes there is a difference
Its crazier than that, recently it was shown the Pheonix scales above oblivion as oblivion as well as the other abstracts were bowing to her. It was also shown it transcends the white hot room. Oblivion is the darkness/nothingness before creation. In DC the darkness before creation is callled the great darkness. Recently in dark crisis the deadly green Raven encountered it and said if she got too close shed be turned into the unkindness and shed become its slave. In short, Pheonix > Oblivion >= The Great Darkness>>>>> The Unkindness> Raven.
*Spoiler warning from this quote* "Let true dark be cast upon the world. Our lord hath returns." In all seriousness this was definitely a battle of sun and moon, blazing light and casting shadow, almost Yin and Yang. I'm glad that they actually showed off Ravens full potential.
@@Aureilius2112 This is blatantly false, a prime example is Batman vs Cap and Batman vs Iron Man. Nothing was bent in this, because Pheonix literally couldn't kill Raven
In my opinion, I think this is a Fantastic way to represent two characters that are Literally the souls of Light and Darkness. And that Darkness does not always mean Evil.
As soon as yall mentioned Trigon beating pre-crisis Superman, and then Raven being able to beat that same Trigon... I knew this wouldn't be a fight, we were about to witness a murder happen
@@melbonesarra2821no no not at all. Pre crisis loses to C.A.S aka cosmic armor Superman which is considered one of the strongest versions of supermen. He would crush trigon and raven by himself without much difficulty also toaa Is also stronger then trigon and raven
No he is still superman. It’s like saying the hulk isn’t Bruce banner. Superman fused with ultraman become cosmic armoured superman. He’s still has the same soul and motive
Being a huge xmen fan and a raven fan I actually understand and know just how op Raven is, they havent even shown just how powerful Raven really is in any tv series or movie. Its crazy when you see just how powerful she is when she doesnt hold back.
@@devinspencer1678 You ever notice how most DC characters are apparently omniversal beings yet never seem to display that in any other story for any other reason except this one time where they gain this super power up that makes them infinite times stronger and more powerful than the presence?
16:02 “What’s the matter? Afraid of the dark?” 💀 Classic Raven one-liner from the OG Teen Titans. That still gives me chills. Interesting battle. I knew Raven would win in the end. Powerful without a doubt.
@@AndrewTatIanforgive me if I’m wrong but wasn’t there one comic run where raven gained the powers of the presence you know the DC equivalent of TOAA? Both raven and jean are some of the most OP characters in their respective universes but only one of them gained power equal to the author incarnate.
5:00 This is honestly one of the funniest bits thats come about from Death Battle in a hot second. The phoenix's analysis in general just had me dead ☠️
@@mrreyes5004 it is a weird sorta ground for creators to try and approach cause while on one end it would make sense in the terms of the original story, these are characters that people really do want to see more of (and ya can't really have that if they hit an early grave). But on the other side of that argument, there are spinoffs or I guess in terms "what if" type of stories for that reason and in many cases, there have been characters who either just can't die or just too stubborn too die (I mean, the next match up is literally just too angry to die), can actually be worked into good writing, all be it gets super repetitive and unoriginal now a days. But I do see a point even if I'm not fully on a side of completely killing off a character.
During the Phoenix section: "Okay, so she's bordering on multiverse-level, no way Raven matches that." During the Raven section: "Well, they had us going in the first half."
Yeah, this was one of those things like The Zatanna fight, You go from "so marvel stomps" to "here's another really interesting powerhouse DC Doesn't use nearly As much as they should." ( This isn't the dark and brooding character. Dealing with inner demons based around a flying animal that they are interested in. Sadly)
@@strikingsarcophagus I meant, technically the Phoenix is the embodiment of every soul & all energy that ever has or will exist across the infinite multiverse and when the entirety of that dies, it will be one of the first to be reborn in the next. Raven's amazing and I certainly like the character more, but the tiers do still seem unbalanced.
I know the comment section says this a lot but I really think Jean and Raven would be two birds of the same kinda flock. They both shoulder tremendous power that if it gets out of hand it's adios. Both girls have around the same amount of responsibilities because of that and I think they would be inseparable friends because of it. Both are very empathetic at their core too.
Even Boomstick mentions that they probably could have talked it out. But Deatbattle has rules that include forcing people out of character if necessary to make them fight to the death. (See Twilight v. Raven) Only exception to that rule so far has been a pair of 4th-wall breakers.
This has to be my favorite death battle ever! There were so many twists and turns, and the animation was simply _gorgeous._ Mad props to everyone involved!
Well this was kind of in the same vein as Scarlett Witch vs Zatanna: both are surprisingly close, and both give shine to two of my favourite DC heroines. I'm still not the most versed on Raven, but I've always liked the character, and to see her full potential finally being explored is appreciated.
@@haroonrahemi9211 From what I understand, it was a whole lot of "I can do this to beat you. Well I can do this to counter you. Well I can do this. I can do that too. I'm stronger. I can make myself stronger" and more of that nonsense. It just came down to who had the more exploitable weakness. Someone else said it was like a fight between two champion gunslingers, the winner would be whoever draws first. It really could've gone either way
Let it be known the editor's note in Jean's rundown has not only become one of my new favorite analysis jokes, but it's also a big reason why my group reaction lasted so long. We were that taken aback by it. Also awesome fight, 10/10 free.
I thought Jean was going to win only until they mentioned that Raven can regenerate her soul from disintegration. That's when I knew Raven would get the W. I'm a fan of both characters so it doesn't really matter to me.
same here fan of both but i figured raven would win. Im not as much of a dc fan as marvel, but raven was always one of those chars i liked in dc compared to the marvel equiv. who i'd say was Magik. Flash was another.....though i wont see ezra version.
@@orionx79 I'm kind of opposite where I like DC better than Marvel, but I recognize Marvel movies are like 5x better than DC movies. I grew up watching the original Teen Titans, but never really watched X-Men.
0:38 Phoenix Preview 8:21 Raven Preview 15:07 The fight 20:42 Next Match Also I didn't know the next match was after my birthday so this might be a special surprise for me I still don't know who to vote though😂😂😂
I think Raven winning didn’t surprise anyone when even when she dies she doesn’t die, unlike Jean who has died several times and has to come back to life to continue.
@RetroFanatic-Trapster2 she would, Indeed, recently the pheonix was shown to Trascend the white hot room and scale above oblivion. Recently in DC Raven was shown to be unable to touch the great darkness otherwise it would enslave her and "its hold on her would be absolute". Marvel scales above DC cosmology wise, as the great darkness scales to oblivion at best. Oblivion was shown bowing to the Pheonix force. WPTOC/Pheonix > Oblivion >= Great Darkness > Unkindness(who is way beyond Ravens normal power level mind you). Marvel scaling gets weird, granted the GD probably scales a bit higher than oblivion it depends how you scale DC.
thats.. not quite the case. Indeed, recently the pheonix was shown to Trascend the white hot room and scale above oblivion. Recently in DC Raven was shown to be unable to touch the great darkness otherwise it would enslave her and "its hold on her would be absolute". Marvel scales above DC cosmology wise, as the great darkness scales to oblivion at best. Oblivion was shown bowing to the Pheonix force. WPTOC/Pheonix > Oblivion >= Great Darkness > Unkindness(who is way beyond Ravens normal power level mind you). Tdlr Pheonix scales above even abstracts such as Oblivion/The great darkness, which raven scales below and could probably outright erase them. So Raven is not above erasure from oblivion, much less the pheonix.
@@Re-gj3ykOblivion is nowhere near as powerful as the Great Darkness. Oblivion has literally zero impressive feats, and only ever shows up to lose. At one point, he couldn’t even handle Iceman
Seeing these cosmic-level combatants from DC/Marvel makes me wanna see them try to tackle high-level characters from more obscure properties (Nicol Bolas from MTG for instance). I’d be interested to see how they powerscale an extremely powerful character that’s only represented in media outside of what they typically cover!
They have literally covered popeye and stitch both from separate universes(companies). They’re good at throwing characters together for an entertaining match
@@chasethedream3802 Yep. Not always accurate, but they tried at least. Not like so many other people. I cannot really say for a portion of the match-ups, but I had seen many arguments against how the fight would have gone in different battles (not the animation; the fight scene is for fun and does not always match the characters' feats) and only a few actually have a point. One example is the season finale, Vegito vs Gogeta. Though many proper lore/analyzers of Dragon Ball do agree on the outcome, they did not agree on the reasons of why it went that way.
It’s kinda plain to see that all the people upset about Jean losing just didn’t know enough about Raven from the comics. As they stated best, Raven was raised to be a pacifist, to only fight when absolutely necessary and to never lose control of herself when doing so. But of course when she does let go of her own restraints, it’s obvious to see just how godlike her powers truly are. This was a very fair fight, all things considered. For Jean to only lose to a being capable of destroying souls, is still very impressive. At least this fight wasn’t as unbalanced as Crona vs Venom, now THAT was an unfair matchup that was purely for entertainment and not to actually answer who would win.
The fact that Jean actually did die again between recording and airing isn't just hilarious, it's also great accidental foreshadowing.
I got stares at the bus at that part when I laughed lol
It took me out😂😂😂😂
I mean powerful characters like her that are able to come back, die all the time. It's not surprising tbh, she's just supposed to be that tough guy that dies so that everyone freaks out and loses hope like, "If she was killed, what chance do we have?"
@@Tony73727You would think that after dying 16 times, those around her would think she isn't that tough after all, and maybe just a glass cannon.
@@Cervando Considering how often she comes back, it’s less she’s not that tough and more like she takes “life breaks”.
Jean Grey saying anyone is too dangerous to be left alive is the most hypocritical statement any character has ever made
It’s just the Phoenix being overdramatized
And she thinks she isn't😂
SHE killed herself to stop the phoenix so i see no hypocrites
Faxxx
Facts.
The fact that a Death Battle between Jean Grey and Raven is sponsored by BetterHelp, a mental health platform is too ironic.
Thankfully these two have people who would risk their lives to fight off their dark side to protect the universe.
Good on them.
If it was jean grey and wanda it would be more ironic
Ikr
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Ok, Phoenix being decimated to just a flickering spark and Raven blowing it out was kind of chilling
That wasn't the phonix anymore she literally destroyed the phonix and Jean as concepts or because she held back and used the borrowed powers instead of full power she mercy absorbed Jean and phonix waiting for Jean to come back
Raven has a history of being cold as ice
@@hunterculpepper1973it was the phoenix force being destroyed lol
that's nothing when raven absobs the souls of the 4 horsemen of apocalyps 🫰
well since she is a daughter of trigon, what would you expect?
@@John-Stark
I love how they combined the X-Men: Animated theme song with The Teen Titans Theme song. Low key genius level
Should have waited for jubilee to use the x men animated theme
I kinda hope that Death Battle would do one Marvel vs DC on Laura Kinney aka X 23 vs Rose Wilson aka Ravager. Two girls with father issues, who eventually becomes just like them.
It was fantastic
A music mash-up basically~
Because of that fact this is one of my favorites fight themes.
Jean Grey of all people barging into someone's home and accusing them of having a inner demon that needs to be destroyed is one of the biggest bruh moments ever.
Fr I’m pretty sure this is the only time death battle got a character’s personality messed up unless jean grey is actually a hypocrite
@@Deathmare235 normally no but when the phoenix is melded with her she is chad levels of douchy, and it only gets worse the more it comes out lol
X-Men being hypocrite, where's the news? xD
@@WebofSpeedForceTS-FUNo, today just happens to end with a y.
Remember the Phoenix Five story and how, even with the Phoenix fragmented between five hosts, all of them had douchebag levels of messiah complexes?
20:19 “Will the the Phoenix rise again, returning from that far shore? Quoth the Raven: Nevermore”
Yo that was lowkey one of the coldest lines I’ve ever heard.
Indeed. Arguably Boomstick’s best closing one-liner
Probably because Edgar Allan Poe wrote it
@@evanholty2909
It’s based on The Raven but that line isn’t in the poem.
Works even more because Phoenix’s White Hot Room is located beyond the Marvel cosmological area “The Far Shore”
It sounds like a poem maybe
" I'm not the daughter of a Demon. I am the Daughter of Azarath!"
That gave me goosebumps.
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Frrrr that hyped me up!!
Same
I can't believe that the bird won.
No way! The bird one!?!? Impossible!
Why would you spoil that
Quit lying; the bird clearly won.
They say Bird is the word. Ca-Caw!
Man I can't believe that Bird won CRAZY 💥
Jean was willing to die for the people she cared for. Raven learned to be willing to live for them.
That is poetically poignant.
Huh, I never thought of it that way. Nice observation
Poetry!
you should get an award for saying that ngl
Beautiful
Me: Wow, Raven has no chance.
DB: We're scaling her to Trigon, pre-crisis Superman, and the Spectre.
Me: Wow, Jean has no chance.
Scarlet Witch/Zatanna vibes all over again.
Everyone thought Wanda would win but nope lol
@@jarelldavis31 And Zatanna scaling to Zorr and Phantom Stranger lol
Why would they do that?
That 3 different versions
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 They use different versions all the time. Also, most people are familiar with the Teen Titans animated version when she's a lot stronger in the comics. Using just one version of these characters would make things rather boring.
which is crazy given how marvel users are all mainly "glass canon" when we have zatanna casually hanging her own neck but still bein alive , the most underrated and underestimated would be enchantress too she managed to beat the jl , raven , zatanna , reality warp on multiversal scale but still her la action vers didnt do any justice to her
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I love it when a match can be between beings of similar power levels with common themes and struggles, and still one can simply sum it up as something like “shadow bird fights flame bird let’s goooooo!”
Raven is nowhere near the power levels of the Phoenix.
@@getitboy83Me, Death Battle and I believe a majority of the other comments disagree.
@@usshared1649 I think you should revisit the comments because the evidence supports the contrary.
@@usshared1649 The version of Raven here is composite (I think) and the character overall is very inconsistent from what I've heard. Phoenix is considered one of the strongest beings in Marvel!
I would love that too, but DC always wins so it's kinda boring
As soon as I heard “as long as Jeans soul is in tact” vs hearing “raven can destroy souls” I was like… it’s over. Raven will win.
Phoenix was dead before she could realize it
I said the same thing 😂
Jeans soul is protected by the Phoenix, funny how DB forgot that.
But raven already equals if not surpasses the Phoenix, so I that I'll not safe
@@omegashinobi Raven isn't even equal to Trigon. How is she surpassing the phoenix? Because death battle said so?
Phoenix: What's the matter? Afraid of the light?
Raven: What's the matter? Afraid of the dark?
The fight in a nutshell
I loved that call back. Dr Light is probably having Vietnam War flashbacks somewhere.
@@NickWuebker”…I would like to go to jail now, please.”
@@jamesstump7542 Was about to comment this :D
Nightcrawler vs beast boy
That musical combination of Teen Titans theme and X-men theme was freaking BRILLIANT!! Added another layer to an amazing DB.
Dude right!? This whole episode was a master piece!
It’s not DB to thanks it’s Brandon Yates
*Yes, so truueee!!*
Wait, in what part of the vid the music combination happened?
@@aresgeralduy5052 It alternated back and forth a few times, generally with the momentum of the fight. Easier to notice if you follow the link to the song by itself and listen there.
The music was absolutely on point. Matched the tone and rhythms of the most noteworthy eras of both characters, with nods to both individual themes, while still sounding cohesive and modern. Truly a great composition.
I think they’ve absolutely outdone themselves with this soundtrack
I just love how casually they reference Raven's last appearance on the show against Twilight Sparkle
This made me remember that MLP appeared on the show more than Fire Emblem
@@dephony5648 To be fair, Fire emblem is harder to quantify feats.
@@Unagi776 it is, thankfully dimitri has quite a few, he can be scaled to the old crusaders of genealogy of the holy war as they had dragon blood and descendants of dragonkin are quite literally demigods on any battlefield
@power_rangers_officialhindi689This is way better than twilight sparkle I can't lie
@@dephony5648 Once Discord v Bill shows up later this year it will be the fourth time, which is just as much as Avatar and Final Fantasy to name a few.
The moment they pointed out that Jean must maintain her soul to be revived and that Raven can just casually destroy souls, it was clear who the winner was.
Yeah, It was about "Scared of the dark?" When I remembered Raven could do that.
Honestly once they mentioned that Trigon beat Post Crisis Supes, and Raven beat Trigon, I knew it was over.
@@ronnie3613 Pre-Crisis Supes. As in equal to Superboy Prime who pushed Thanagar across a galaxy into orbit around Rann so quickly that no one on either planet noticed until "sun rise".
@@christianboehlefeld5168+
We're talking beyond multiversal levels of power here. Pushing a planet at high speed is nothing.
Phoenix can protect her soul though lmao
Jean telling raven that she’s too dangerous to live is hypocritical considering how it’s Jean with Phoenix that can’t control her powers and causes more harm to the innocent while raven keeps her powers in check
hence the result.
point!!!
Yeah. And it’s REALLY out of character for Jean too. Though maybe not on her worse days.
Gotta love how they inaccurately portray a character they made fun throughout her character description. The writing was on the wall before the battle even began. All bias aside, Phoenix clears
@@khans9529 phoenix gets slapped
☯☯☯ YIN AND YANG ☯☯☯
And called it.
Called it
Yin and Yang? I thought for sure that the Cipher symbol was the question mark, to represent the confusion over the complete lack of any research you actually did on Phoenix because you were too busy chain-scale wanking Raven to infinite multiversal and pretending that Phoenix doesn't have the same ability as the Ultimate Nullifier, since she's destroyed cosmic beings who represent eternal abstract concepts, and beaten them. And then you also invented that she was weak to soul hax (She's not.)
In Phoenix : endsong Jean said she and Phoenix are one, so i think that Raven could not take or erase Jean Grey soul cause Phoenix is a entity and actually they are one, in the last official Phoenix movie a Blonde woman tried to do take Phoenix soul but Jean was in Control and didnt let It happen, another fact is that Marvel and DC or something like that Said that Raven is equal in Power in their own worlds( Marvel and DC worlds ) with Jean Grey or Phoenix i Heard this somewhere i think you can found the font of that info too, so we can say with total certaintity that Jean lose or Raven lose, Is all about the script and writer decision lol Sorry i tried to talk correctly but my english is not fluent, i am from south america.
Indeed. Hope 2024 will be a great year for the new season. Hope for more recent pop culture characters. 👍
18:13 Okay, Raven simply blowing the last little ember of Phoenix was pretty badass.
Except, Phoenix can't die. The whole Omiverse is connected to her and one time, Galactus tried do erase A SINGLE fragmet of Phoenix and ALL of the universe started dying as a result. He gave up destroying her so reality could survive. The funny thing is, Phoenix didn't even tried to resist because she knew the consequences and knew Galactus would back down.
Again, all of that was just a tiny fragment of the Phoenix Force. Can you imagine the kind of damage killing the entirety of Phoenix could do?
@@fireincarnated4031"Her death would destroy the Omniverse" isn't the same as "she can't die".
@@fireincarnated4031 cough Death Battle cough. Someone's gonna die, regardless of what happens to the universe.
Death Battle? More like snoooooooze battle. Surprised that one of DC’s GOD characters won? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a DC Fan, Magic is BS in Comics 😂
The result was obvious if you combine two fact:
1) Jean needs her soul to regenerate
2) Raven can take souls
I thought that it supposed to be the Phoenix not Jean as the host of the Phoenix against Raven and the Phoenix Phoenix did regenerate Hope soul before 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was a mega stomp, Raven absorbed 90% of DC she blinks its not even close
They literally just fabricated the soul weakness for Phoenix. It’s never been mentioned before in comics and she has even regenerated life, souls included. So total fabrication.
@@BARDOCK550
I don't know about "mega stomp". Yes, Raven destroyed all of creation, as the Unkindness, but as the video said, the Phoenix held back the destruction of all creation, too. And, the Phoenix Force can touch all universes in existence, so wouldn't that make the Phoenix on even scaling with Raven? They both can reach the very ends of existence.
@@xiamariansupreme72 good point i think I was carried away at the time.
Once they said the Phoenix Force can regenerate everything but Jeans soul, then hearing how Raven can literally just tear souls out from others. It was a no brainer how the fight was gonna end.
Point is if she did that outside then ok . But in white room . Dude that's a place equivalent to house of ideas. Fking beyonder is afraid of pheonix in that place .
Yeah. They have really been focusing on abilities this season. Can’t say I agree with the results, but I am happy nonetheless.
Totally
I think what db does is chose who has more pluses than minuses.
bruh phoenix force predate multiverse is god of psychic and creator of mutant powers and infinite possibilities also a reality warper it could have just turn raven into a regular human
I normally will roll my eyes at Boomstick's puns at the end, maybe a snort or a chuckle if it's somewhat good, but the bit of poetry at the end with the Poe reference was actually pretty badass here.
Raven will always be my favorite DC character. I remember as a kid watching Teen Titans and her summoning of Trigon: "The gem was born of evil's fire, the gem shall be his portal. He comes the slay, he comes the sire. The end of all things mortal." As an adult her words still gives me chills.
I find myself a Marvel comic reader, but i was hoping Raven would win because of Teen Titan Raven. I just love that show. 😂
not me bcs im not a simp
@@benriquez615 traitor youre not a marvel youre a dc only fan in disguise
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775who cares?
People can like what they want.
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775tbf it’s Jean grey it’s not like people are interested in marvel just for her
Let's be completely honest here. This Episode did the Phoenix Force more justice than the movies ever tried to do XD!!!!
I agree definitely
My kid cousins refrigerator art of the Phoenix Force did more justice than the movies … and he’s 12
They missed a good chunk of demonstrated feats of the Phoenix Force. I mean yeah better than the movies, but that's a really low bar.
It did not cause Raven definitely does not scale to Phoenix in no capacity and they miss huge chunks of Phoenix powers.
@@mr.checkyourself4672so you're saying that you know something they dont? Tell us what it is then...
I can't be the only one who thought raven blowing out phoenix's flame was pretty cool
Darkness overtook the light. Reminds me of Dark Souls
@@darthcinema4262exept she actually did not won cuz the phoenix always comes back when there's life there's phoenix 😂
@@Hakuyoma Because nobody stays dead in comics, unless you're Uncle Ben, Thomas and Martha Wayne, and the Simpsons (and no I don't mean the ones from the show that never ends)
The fight felt like the two were playing uno and constantly throwing their reverse cards at each other. The winner just had one more
The mashing of the two iconic themes during the battle was spectacular.
I kinda hope that Death Battle would do one Marvel vs DC on Laura Kinney aka X 23 vs Rose Wilson aka Ravager. Two girls with father issues, who eventually becomes just like them.
@@cruzjackal I would prefer if she fought Cassandra Cain.
This entire ending sequence from 17:46 onwards is masterfully done. Raven blowing out the flame was a chilling way to put down Phoenix.
"chilling" ...lol punny.
Bingchilling
TFS Nappa: "I get it!"
Yknow considering how Archie sonic vs flash went I expected raven to lose
yeah blew me away with how good it was
Phoenix: I can’t believe I lost to Raven!
Twilight Sparkle: first time?
10:27 “smash ponies like a battering ram” that’s hilarious 😂 I love how he saids it as part of the analysis 😂
Phoenix: Yep first time
phoenix: SHUT UP PONY
Raven: Hold That L
lol, that fight should have never happened.
Y’all did Jean dirty? Let’s bring in the Jean stans
Are you jean grey fan and phoenix fan and raven fan? Sorry for asking this question 🙋.
20:17
How is Boomstick really just gonna drop an absolute FIRE (psuedo-parody) poetry line like, "Will the Phoenix rise again? Returning from that far, far shore? Quothe the Raven- Nevermore!" and nobody going to acknowledge nor expound on that?!?! I got CHILLS
I liked this video because of that ^^
The terrible pun-miser can spit out a few fire lines every so often :)
Boomstick is a literary genius while wiz is a scientific genius
Boomstick may just be the new Edgar A. Poe hahahaha love it
Uhhh aerwsiuho.
As Boomstick points out, the existence of characters like this makes it all the more hilarious that they team up with people like Robin or Angel.
There's an old comedy skit called "Angel Summoner & The BMX Bandit" that kinda covers that trope. One can call forth the divine host at will to do his bidding, the other is really good at trick-riding a BMX bike. Together, they fight crime.
@@Just_A_Dude I've seen it, it's great.
The way they blended the teen titans theme and xmen theme was phenomenal. Very epic soundtrack for this one.
Dare I say this is easily one of the best fights because of music alone?
Yeah I definitely wanted Raven to win 💪🏾
Agreed.. the music was top tier 👌
Jean's superpower is actually one of the greatest superpower.
Molecular telekinesis.
Basically, she can manipulate the smallest particles at will, thus cause any effect possible within physics.
And possably break them.
Are jean grey fan and phoenix fan and raven fan? Sorry for asking this question 🙋.
@@Universeknight10055 idk.
Im not deep enough in those fandoms.
Good evening 🌃.thank you for answering my question. I'm fan of jean grey and phoenix force and raven. You have great day and next day and week and weekend and and week week weekend and next week and full happiness 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.
Edgar Allen Poe would be proud of Boomstick's "quoth the Raven" line. Nicely done!
Yes I'm sure such a line would have done _great things_ for Poe's terminal depression, _especially_ in relation to a woman.
He really did get into poetry after the Sauron vs. Lich King episode
*Nevermore*
“On a dark midnight dreary”
I do love these battle sequences. Especially the amusing "This is my final form!", "Ahaha you thought that was my final form? THIS is my final form!", "you are strong, but my final form has ANOTHER final form!!", "agh no... bested by your final forms final, final, final form that was only discovered when your final final form was defeated".
All that just to be defeated by Superman.
It makes sense if you don’t know what you’re up against you’re not going to start off as your strongest self. Thatd be like breaking out a shotgun to kill an ant.
@@TipoIrritablelol
@@TipoIrritable No weapon can penetrate plot armor.
@@artkneeko*observe* the GENIUS of my gardening
As soon as they mentioned Phoenix was susceptible to soul attacks I knew Raven had it in the bag
Ikr
Except Phoenix isn't and Raven is nowhere powerful enough to attempt it. She tries then Jean rips Raven's brain from her head and burns whatever remains. This would include Raven's soul being burned.
She literally isn't though LOL. Weaker PF users have canonically just tanked spiritual lvl attacks from Ghost Rider, and WPOTC has no need for a soul.
She isn’t. They literally just made it up so they can give Raven the win. It literally shows the Phoenix restoring a soul in the scan they used…
She isn’t. They literally just made it up so they can give Raven the win. It literally shows the Phoenix restoring a soul in the scan they used…
Don't forget the time Trigon fought Darkseid and spent thw majority of the fight laughing and mocking Darkseid, then pulled him into a Boomtube with no exit while still laughing
If I had a nickel for every time a magic using female DC hero beat an ultra powerful female Marvel character in a death battle, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
If you hadn't specified female you would've had three nickels.
I knew Raven would triumph. None can beat the power of goth.
@@watershipup7101 True, but then the reference wouldn't work.
Haha don’t be mad that DC Women would wipe Marvel Universe :)
@@kpopdom5118 They wouldn't though. TOAA exists.
10:25 I love how they brought up Twilight's death so casually
Trash MU
Next time on my special day is this Crap MU
You mean defeat, right?
That battle wasn’t even a fair fight.
@@jeremiahbristow7609 I meant what I said
Yeah, still sore about that fight.
Honestly, that was one amazing conclusion. Blowing out the flame was such a impactful visual.
Loved that, hated that it was so short.
It's still good that the only issue is that we want *more.*
@@julianmitchell3035this is exactly why this animation sucked. It was so short. There was hardly any fighting at all, just endless attempts at absorbing each others powers and fire/dark energy blasts at each other. This fight sucked.
how inaccurate it was was amusing for sure
Raven vs twilight: her strongest feat was lifting titans tower
Phoenix vs Raven: Raven moving a moon at 17:05
Damn, either Raven got some serious buffs since her fight with twilight or titans tower is as heavy a moon.
Technically that's called lowball and that's phisacaly stregth is she can lift titans tower her magical and mental is a hell of lot stronger
If 40+ years of Titans comics have taught me anything, it's that if you want to stop the darkness inside Raven, the best thing you can do is provide emotional support, and the very worst thing you can do is start a fight with her. I half expected Jean to win, but when she impolitely picked a fight with someone who's peacefully meditating in their pacifist home, I'm glad she got to learn the same lesson as everyone else.
Now, maybe when Jean has resurrected they can have a nice, calm chat about how they can help each other out as eternity rolls by.
I am also the Blue Raven.
Yeah she's just a depressed demon witch. Just give her a hug and you've already won. Fighting her is a no no.
I'm pretty sure super Archie sonic could defeat Raven
they gayest comment I read in a while
@@USBase2395raven is stronger than wally west so no
I like how she blew the light out, when phoenixes are supposed to revive from ashes. That has always been my fav part.
What if there’s no ashes
@@stancinatti8198exactly
@@stancinatti8198 Well i mean DB did create their own noncannon weakness for the pheonix to lose this fight. As she has been able to revive souls on multiple occasions. It wasn't really a weakness anymore.
@@stancinatti8198 then what she blew out ones Jean's and the phonix force itself pride meing rement of the phonix force were spared or raven with just her breath erase Jean and the phonix force from fiction
@@hunterculpepper1973bro what
"Forevermore" was the perfect blend of the Teen Titans and X-Men theme songs. You could feel the love for both series and characters in every beat.
Phoenix sucks ass, Raven would easily one shot her....
There's a rage inside my soul, freedom is mine forevermore... sorry, wrong song.
Ending was literally just a battle of uno reverse until the other bird realizes it didn’t have a spare reverse card.
The build up around Raven in the character description, it was definitely clear shed casually take this. Shes so underrated.
I feel like she's realistically wayyyyyyyy weaker than Phoenix. Phoenix is so unbelievably powerful in Marvel cosmology she takes this easy.
@@bluezebra6701Raven in cartoons is constantly shown to be underwhelming but her comic book self has always been a threat. Don’t know why they never gave her a faithful adaptation
@@bluezebra6701If you're thinking about the cartoon versions of Raven, you're right, but the comic book versions? ... She counters all of Jean, on top of being powerful enough to match her without directly countering her. Raven is legit absurbdly op. Also, sometimes you can have the most op abilities, but if you get hard countered, tough luck.
@@markissacs7784Well they said it in the video to but pretty much she is holding back.
The way the Unkindness bit was taken for like 5 seconds while Jean Grey's WPOTC took like 2/3 of her part revealed the winner
One has defeated Trigon, the other has died 16 times... who really didn't see that coming?
Me, but to be fair, I haven't read any Teen Titans
@@RobCrowley85yeah, phoenix is op as hell but being able to defeat trigon alone is one hell of a feat 😂
One has tanked the sword of Zauriel like nothing and one has been killed 16 times was it ever a question??
@@theguthboyw8982 yeah, that's the "everyone go home, she's got this" kind of achievement.
I mean, she is called Phoenix for a reason!
I love how, in spite of the incomprehensible power being thrown around, the battle ended with a single breath.
Agreed, it actually felt like the perfect conclusion given the light (fire) and darkness contrast between Jean and Raven.
IT'S TIME FOR A BREATH BATTLE!
you guys are making these more and more badass!
No like for real people who actually thinks raven is stronger just don’t read jean grey phoenix comics
That f*cking Jean Grey dying constantly in the comics joke had me laughing out loud
she just got dealt with agin at the x-men gala
For real. And that music 🤣
@lhavenoenemies what makes jean even more scary cause now she can scale up to the phoenix now....
I absolutely loved the quote at the end "quoth the raven, nevermore". Beautiful and flawless reference.
14:32 is a close second
That’s kind of a ground ball in terms of quotes to me but eh glad you enjoyed it
were you born a hater or, did that just happen along the way?@@ushiookazaki3728
Hola Rosa si lo Creo
Came here from the outtakes. I would've preferred the "Quoth the raven, 'nope'" or similar instead.
When they're both functionally immortal but only one has the ability to destroy the soul of the other, it wasn't hard to figure out how this was going to end.
At least in this one it's a canon power. Dante vs Bayonetta was stupid (he supposedly can't lose because he's just incapable of death, although the creator of both characters suggested otherwise) and Tifa vs Yang was poorly based (I love RWBY and would otherwise be happy for Yang to win, but Aura doesn't have ridiculous levels of durability. Remember the part where she literally lost her arm to a (yes, powered-up) sword slice? Punching a pillar with a person sandwiched between still does most of the force to the PILLAR, her Aura largely just prevented her being fully crushed by what forces were actually on her.).
@@JarieSuicune these clowns get their info from google search and are really biased based on the fanbase. these vids should only be taken as a entertainment.
Phoenix Force actually can destroy the soul. Dunno how Death Battle missed one of the most basic things, but Phoenix Force consumes souls. It actually learned how to manipulate souls too in the wake of Rachael Grey, it now borrows souls from the future to resurrect people. And with Phoenix Force absorbing part of The Beyonder and it's powers, it's a multiversal entity.
Raven would have to purge the entirety of existence of it's souls in order to snuff out the Phoenix Force canonically, assuming the Phoenix Force didn't do it back to her in the interim.
@@monodythey mentioned it somewhere in the video
@@jazirionthomas8569 They mentioned part of it, and did not mention the factoid about consuming and utilizing souls, and then promptly forgot to apply it in the fight itself any ways.
I love the line about geese representing assholes that's hilarious
15:13 My assumption here was they were having a conversation in the mental space while Jean was on her way informing Raven what she wanted to do and Raven was trying to convince her to stop. Neither side would listen and that’s why they fight as soon as she shows up.
Or she could've just sense her coming 🗿
@@phoenix5583 Yes but that’s much less fun to actually be the reason
@@phoenix5583Yes 🗿
Goth girls always wins.
@@_Vergil_ As well they usually should
Wait… Who TF was the last goth we had on Death Battle? JoJo doesn’t count
Of all the people Guts can fight, I didn't expect Dimitri to be one of them. I'm excited to see how it plays out
Who exactly is Dimitri?
@@ContagiousSponge Leader of the Blue Lion House and Crown Prince/ king to be of the Kingdom of Faerghus. From Fire Emblem: Three Houses
@@ContagiousSponge A not very cool fire emblem character from a middling fire emblem game. Idk why they didn't use one of the more well-known characters, it's not like they have a shortage of weird feats of power and mystical weapons.
@@ContagiousSpongeA lord in Fire Emblem: Three Houses (and prince of Faerghus). The crest of Blaiddyd gives him inhuman strength, and Areadbhar grants him the combat art Atrocity, which is pretty OP
@@ContagiousSpongecharacter from fire emblem three houses. Prince/king of holy kingdom of Faerghus. Basically he is super strong and has a weapon made from bones of dragon(?) which allegedly can cut mountains
I'm glad Raven won but kinda disappointed they didn’t mention Raven's feats as the Unkindness properly. For those who dont know, she killed and absorbed literally every creation, every superheroes, supervillains, planets, heavens, new genesis and everything. She absorbed all that power and made it her own. No one was even able to stop her at the end. The only one who survived is Black Adam who time traveled to the past before Raven became The Unkindness cause that was literally the only way to stop her. She was confirmed to be on the same level as The Presence (the god of dc) by the author
Ahh, someone who finally speaks English.
I "HOPE" that no one from the marvel side sees this. They don't understand that Raven is more powerful than the Pheonix.
@@chilliciouspatrioticmeatloverBased on feats, scaling, author’s words, etc.
Raven is nowhere near Raven. Plus, the author never said that about The Presence, he confirmed he had no idea what the character represented and scaled, and immediately changed it.
@@TipoIrritable”raven is nowhere near raven” truly the statement ever
@@chilliciouspatrioticmeatlover didn't death battle say they were equal in strength? Didn't it come down to hax?
They didn't explain it much because they didn't use it that version in the fight, it would've been overkill. They used white Raven with the gold rings that bonded with Azarath.
Just like with Apocalypse and Black Adam’s Death Battle I love that it’s hinted that Raven and Jean know each other. After all DC and Marvel have crossed over several times. It would make sense. I would even venture to guess they’re friends given how similar they are. Would also explain why they both apologized for having to kill each other.
I see it as Phoenix trying to pick a fight with Raven rather then Jean Grey
Fantastic episode!! It’s really insane how powerful Jean & Raven are. Couldn’t ask for a better birdfight, as the phoenix challenges the raven, nevermore.
Rather than a catfight.
The “Bird” is the word.
it was compete nonsense, Raven would have one shot lame ass Phoenix....
@@jonathanrhodes4547 the cat fight we really need to see is DC's Cheetah and Marvel's Tigra, nevermind the obvious Catwoman v Black Cat.
🐈🐈🐈⬛🐈⬛
@@russward2612 I’d be down for that catfight. That sounds like a fun battle
*TIMESTAMPS*
0:07 episode begins
0:38 Jean Grey, the Phoenix
8:20 Raven
15:07 DEATH BATTLE!
18:30 result
20:41 next episode preview
Thks bro
@@ghost14224you're welcome
The "editor's note" about Jean's death at the recent Hellfire Gala had me in tears. I was JUST about to say that she died recently out loud, and then they did that. Beautiful.
You read the comics? Even Recent ones? HA
Yeah that issue was insane
well it’s 17 times now…
That and the bagpipes during the section.
she died AGAIN?!
To the people saying Phoenix can restore souls, it doesn''t matter. Raven diedn't destroy Jean's soul, she absorbed it. And you can't restore a soul that still exists, that's soul cloning, which the phoenix has never been shown capable of.
Pheonix is capable of destroy whole marvel dc dude
@tyu168 raven is capable of destroying all dc marvel bro. Both literally have done this. But I bepeave raven went even further destroying the God sphere and the speed force.
@@cngotham4111 she can't destroy pheonix even if she want duh if I will talk bout choas then these little forces gonna be down here
If Raven absorbed Phoenix's soul and/or the Phoenix Force, then Phoenix could just use that to burn her from the inside.
Absorbing the Phoenix Force isn't a great idea when you're fighting someone who has complete control over the Phoenix Force.
I honestly wasn’t expecting that end. It’s cool to see just how powerful Raven is
I mean, i knew she was powerful, but not on Phoenix level. Guess i was wrong xD!
@@FawlkerTrigon is ridiculous bro so being comparable to him in itself is too much
It should be noted that the theme of Raven's entire character is that she is severely holding back for the benefit of everyone else on the planet.
It's downplayed in the shows and movies she's in, but yeah Raven is batshit insane on the power scaling lol
remember Superman's "This world is like cardboard to me. I have to always hold back. If I lose control even for a moment, someone could die." ?
that speech is also easily... Raven's .
One of the greatest displays of power ever,Raven literally blew the PHOENIX out like a candle!!!
This is not even Canon lmfao I say it was pure bias
@@deeqhassan5810Phoenix?
More Doneix!
Hahaha
Raven >>> Jean
FR 🤣
@@liviubostan7229phoenix 1 taps
Made my a dc fan that’s why
This has to be one of the most exciting battles ever. I lived for every monomer. The mixture of theme songs… icing on an amazing cake.
I thought that it supposed to be the Phoenix not Jean as the host of the Phoenix against Raven 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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By far one of the best death battles
Just to clarify for everyone. Dark and Un Kindness Raven aren’t “insane” like House of M Wanda. She’s just more prone to wanting to kill you. And yes there is a difference
Its crazier than that, recently it was shown the Pheonix scales above oblivion as oblivion as well as the other abstracts were bowing to her.
It was also shown it transcends the white hot room.
Oblivion is the darkness/nothingness before creation.
In DC the darkness before creation is callled the great darkness. Recently in dark crisis the deadly green Raven encountered it and said if she got too close shed be turned into the unkindness and shed become its slave.
In short,
Pheonix > Oblivion >= The Great Darkness>>>>> The Unkindness> Raven.
@@Re-gj3yk I mean you left out a few key elements but yeah. That’s the general idea of it
@@Koro_Sensi_6 I tried to summarize without typing even more than I already did, but I get ya.
@@Re-gj3ykJust because they’re both Darknesses before creation doesn’t mean they scale the same.
@WolfedOut Agreed, but I believe based on cosmology they more or less do.
Imo DC has massively nerfed itself as of late.
*Spoiler warning from this quote*
"Let true dark be cast upon the world. Our lord hath returns."
In all seriousness this was definitely a battle of sun and moon, blazing light and casting shadow, almost Yin and Yang. I'm glad that they actually showed off Ravens full potential.
I thought that it supposed to be the Phoenix not Jean as the host of the Phoenix against Raven 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Superfoczka1it’s a DC character so they’re going to bend things to make them win.
@@Superfoczka1it’s a DC character so they’re going to bend things to make them win.
@@Aureilius2112 This is blatantly false, a prime example is Batman vs Cap and Batman vs Iron Man. Nothing was bent in this, because Pheonix literally couldn't kill Raven
@@HallowedKeeper_I think the w-l record is tied actually
Edit: I checked the wiki, it’s 14-14
In my opinion, I think this is a Fantastic way to represent two characters that are Literally the souls of Light and Darkness. And that Darkness does not always mean Evil.
But the light will always win
@@Deathmare235 Not on Death Battle.
@@Deathmare235 In Korra VS Storm, the darker one won
@@captainmd3 Storms not dark
@@cobiabruggeman6592 Not that dark.........
At 19:31 raven has a domain expansion
Domanin Expansion: Thicc Thighs
@@Jejdjdjjdhigh sky thighs
As soon as yall mentioned Trigon beating pre-crisis Superman, and then Raven being able to beat that same Trigon... I knew this wouldn't be a fight, we were about to witness a murder happen
so raven IS the strongest powerful character in DC now? not superman anymore?
@@melbonesarra2821no no not at all. Pre crisis loses to C.A.S aka cosmic armor Superman which is considered one of the strongest versions of supermen. He would crush trigon and raven by himself without much difficulty also toaa Is also stronger then trigon and raven
@@Fruad_jo Cosmic Armor Superman isn't Superman its a robot.
@@stephenschneekloth1535 still even if he isn’t a Superman he is stronger then Superman meaning the strongest character would be idk really
No he is still superman. It’s like saying the hulk isn’t Bruce banner. Superman fused with ultraman become cosmic armoured superman. He’s still has the same soul and motive
Twilight: Avenge me, Phoenix!
Phoenix: I don't even know who you are.
That editor’s note in Jean’s analysis might be the hardest I’ve ever laughed watching a Death Battle video.
This was genuinely interesting
This is legitimately one of the best battles I've ever watched
Being a huge xmen fan and a raven fan I actually understand and know just how op Raven is, they havent even shown just how powerful Raven really is in any tv series or movie. Its crazy when you see just how powerful she is when she doesnt hold back.
Then how can the titans have enemies?
@@Raximus3000 same reason every dc and marvel movie has enemies/rivals/villains for story and entertainment duh
@@Raximus3000She doesn't want to blow a hole in the universe to stop a couple bank robbers
@Raximus3000 yeah Drathstroke being galaxy++ Keeps Ravens powers at bay. So yeah. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@devinspencer1678 You ever notice how most DC characters are apparently omniversal beings yet never seem to display that in any other story for any other reason except this one time where they gain this super power up that makes them infinite times stronger and more powerful than the presence?
16:02 “What’s the matter? Afraid of the dark?” 💀 Classic Raven one-liner from the OG Teen Titans. That still gives me chills.
Interesting battle. I knew Raven would win in the end. Powerful without a doubt.
Love that scene
raven realistically should lose because yea no.......
lets just assume white phoenix of crown
what if i just make it so you don't exist
@@AndrewTatIanforgive me if I’m wrong but wasn’t there one comic run where raven gained the powers of the presence you know the DC equivalent of TOAA? Both raven and jean are some of the most OP characters in their respective universes but only one of them gained power equal to the author incarnate.
Raven would not win at all, and she doesn't scale to the presence LMFAO.
Ohhh that was awesome!❤❤❤
When all things are considered, Raven never being a devil but having all that power technically makes her an angel?
Never expected Dimitri to be on this show before Marth or Lucina, but I like it.
Same am happy the blue lions path is my favorite
Can't believe they're going to do my boy Dimitri dirty like this
@@SinHurrYou'll be pleasantly surprised.
I thought Ike would fight against Guts. But Dimitri is cool too.
@@victordottaviano645This would be the closest matchup in FE protags vs Guts, but Dimitri is probably second closest.
I legit got full blown Wanda VS Zatanna Vibe from this fight.
I swear I better not hear zatanna vs raven requests now
@@gameuniverse5973zatanna would easily lose :(
@@bitter_tearz nope
@ernar8926 is it okay if I ask why? Sorry, I dont know a lot about zatanna so I'm curious :0
Same!
Music was awesome, and a ton of the scenes were awesome
5:00 This is honestly one of the funniest bits thats come about from Death Battle in a hot second. The phoenix's analysis in general just had me dead ☠️
Y'know, if comic books could bother to keep their dead characters, well, _DEAD_ then that might just improve their writing a teensy-bit.
@@mrreyes5004One could argue that’s part of the charm of comics,Not me, but certainly someone out there
"i think they could have talked this out"
@@mrreyes5004 but then the stakes are boring because nobody famous would ever die
@@mrreyes5004 it is a weird sorta ground for creators to try and approach cause while on one end it would make sense in the terms of the original story, these are characters that people really do want to see more of (and ya can't really have that if they hit an early grave). But on the other side of that argument, there are spinoffs or I guess in terms "what if" type of stories for that reason and in many cases, there have been characters who either just can't die or just too stubborn too die (I mean, the next match up is literally just too angry to die), can actually be worked into good writing, all be it gets super repetitive and unoriginal now a days. But I do see a point even if I'm not fully on a side of completely killing off a character.
During the Phoenix section: "Okay, so she's bordering on multiverse-level, no way Raven matches that."
During the Raven section: "Well, they had us going in the first half."
Yeah, this was one of those things like The Zatanna fight, You go from "so marvel stomps" to "here's another really interesting powerhouse DC Doesn't use nearly As much as they should."
( This isn't the dark and brooding character. Dealing with inner demons based around a flying animal that they are interested in. Sadly)
Yep. Once they mentioned that Trigon could fight Pre-Crisis Superman, that was when I figured Raven had this in the bag.
The moment they mentioned that Raven's soul could regenerate while Phoenix's couldn't I knew it was over
@@WannabeWryter Really? The fact she's yet another DC Super wanked to cosmic power levels makes her more boring to me.
@@strikingsarcophagus I meant, technically the Phoenix is the embodiment of every soul & all energy that ever has or will exist across the infinite multiverse and when the entirety of that dies, it will be one of the first to be reborn in the next.
Raven's amazing and I certainly like the character more, but the tiers do still seem unbalanced.
I know the comment section says this a lot but I really think Jean and Raven would be two birds of the same kinda flock. They both shoulder tremendous power that if it gets out of hand it's adios.
Both girls have around the same amount of responsibilities because of that and I think they would be inseparable friends because of it.
Both are very empathetic at their core too.
Even Boomstick mentions that they probably could have talked it out. But Deatbattle has rules that include forcing people out of character if necessary to make them fight to the death. (See Twilight v. Raven)
Only exception to that rule so far has been a pair of 4th-wall breakers.
Nah Jean is a scrub now can't win anything.
This was biased. There was a comic book where Raven was overcome by the Phoenix. 🐦🔥
That comic was biased
This has to be my favorite death battle ever! There were so many twists and turns, and the animation was simply _gorgeous._ Mad props to everyone involved!
Not as good as the last one though
@@Deathmare235 Agreed, but still pretty neat U-U
@justingary5322 that's your opinion
@justingary5322 nope
@@Deathmare235nah i like this one more, the 2d animation is on point :D
Well this was kind of in the same vein as Scarlett Witch vs Zatanna: both are surprisingly close, and both give shine to two of my favourite DC heroines. I'm still not the most versed on Raven, but I've always liked the character, and to see her full potential finally being explored is appreciated.
DC heroine????????????????????
ngl, I feel like the scarlet witch stomps Zatanna, I don't think that fight was accurate. but this one was in my favor I wanted raven to win badly
@@haroonrahemi9211True. There's just no way for Z to win.
@@haroonrahemi9211 From what I understand, it was a whole lot of "I can do this to beat you. Well I can do this to counter you. Well I can do this. I can do that too. I'm stronger. I can make myself stronger" and more of that nonsense. It just came down to who had the more exploitable weakness. Someone else said it was like a fight between two champion gunslingers, the winner would be whoever draws first. It really could've gone either way
@@antigoku2083 No way? She had everything to win
Appreciate the motif of the 90's X-Men cartoon in the battle theme. Also, the cutaway for the "after we recorded this she died again" killed me.
That’s awesome. Wasn’t expecting that
Let it be known the editor's note in Jean's rundown has not only become one of my new favorite analysis jokes, but it's also a big reason why my group reaction lasted so long. We were that taken aback by it. Also awesome fight, 10/10 free.
What’s the time stamp??
I thought Jean was going to win only until they mentioned that Raven can regenerate her soul from disintegration. That's when I knew Raven would get the W. I'm a fan of both characters so it doesn't really matter to me.
Also didn't help when they said the best way to kill Jean is destroy her soul, which Raven was capable of.
same here fan of both but i figured raven would win. Im not as much of a dc fan as marvel, but raven was always one of those chars i liked in dc compared to the marvel equiv. who i'd say was Magik. Flash was another.....though i wont see ezra version.
The phoenix has no soul tbh..jean does but the Phoenix doesn't
@@orionx79 I'm kind of opposite where I like DC better than Marvel, but I recognize Marvel movies are like 5x better than DC movies. I grew up watching the original Teen Titans, but never really watched X-Men.
GREAT DEATH BATTLE EXCELLENT.
0:38 Phoenix Preview
8:21 Raven Preview
15:07 The fight
20:42 Next Match
Also I didn't know the next match was after my birthday so this might be a special surprise for me I still don't know who to vote though😂😂😂
Vote?
@@Pwilliams4000 Idk yet that's why I said I will think about it on the last day when it comes out
@@Pwilliams4000 not in a rude way but in my mind I'm thinking Guts but I will still think about it when the full fight comes out
I'm going with Guts. No questions asked.
@@pg3dgaming634 no I mean what do you mean by vote? You get to vote for who wins?
BILLY is actually in sence 16:07
10:26 “smash ponies like a battering ram” that’s hilarious 😂 I love how he saids it as part of the analysis 😂
Let's hope Discord didn't hear that.
Genius
as Shaggy: Dude, SERIOUSLY?
I think Raven winning didn’t surprise anyone when even when she dies she doesn’t die, unlike Jean who has died several times and has to come back to life to continue.
Actually, I thought White Phoenix of the Crown would destroy Raven fairly easily.
@RetroFanatic-Trapster2 she would,
Indeed, recently the pheonix was shown to Trascend the white hot room and scale above oblivion.
Recently in DC Raven was shown to be unable to touch the great darkness otherwise it would enslave her and "its hold on her would be absolute".
Marvel scales above DC cosmology wise, as the great darkness scales to oblivion at best.
Oblivion was shown bowing to the Pheonix force.
WPTOC/Pheonix > Oblivion >= Great Darkness > Unkindness(who is way beyond Ravens normal power level mind you).
Marvel scaling gets weird, granted the GD probably scales a bit higher than oblivion it depends how you scale DC.
thats.. not quite the case.
Indeed, recently the pheonix was shown to Trascend the white hot room and scale above oblivion.
Recently in DC Raven was shown to be unable to touch the great darkness otherwise it would enslave her and "its hold on her would be absolute".
Marvel scales above DC cosmology wise, as the great darkness scales to oblivion at best.
Oblivion was shown bowing to the Pheonix force.
WPTOC/Pheonix > Oblivion >= Great Darkness > Unkindness(who is way beyond Ravens normal power level mind you).
Tdlr Pheonix scales above even abstracts such as Oblivion/The great darkness, which raven scales below and could probably outright erase them.
So Raven is not above erasure from oblivion, much less the pheonix.
@@Re-gj3ykOblivion is nowhere near as powerful as the Great Darkness. Oblivion has literally zero impressive feats, and only ever shows up to lose. At one point, he couldn’t even handle Iceman
@@Re-gj3yk I never thought the Phoenix Force could scale above the abstracts, though. They're normally as powerful as things can get.
Seeing these cosmic-level combatants from DC/Marvel makes me wanna see them try to tackle high-level characters from more obscure properties (Nicol Bolas from MTG for instance). I’d be interested to see how they powerscale an extremely powerful character that’s only represented in media outside of what they typically cover!
They have literally covered popeye and stitch both from separate universes(companies). They’re good at throwing characters together for an entertaining match
@@chasethedream3802 Yep. Not always accurate, but they tried at least. Not like so many other people. I cannot really say for a portion of the match-ups, but I had seen many arguments against how the fight would have gone in different battles (not the animation; the fight scene is for fun and does not always match the characters' feats) and only a few actually have a
point.
One example is the season finale, Vegito vs Gogeta. Though many proper lore/analyzers of Dragon Ball do agree on the outcome, they did not agree on the reasons of why it went that way.
I'd like to see who they'd match against a universe hopping, soul devouring, immortal dragon that kills gods, and then creates new ones for fun.
Hail to the grixis overlord
"marvel"
It’s kinda plain to see that all the people upset about Jean losing just didn’t know enough about Raven from the comics. As they stated best, Raven was raised to be a pacifist, to only fight when absolutely necessary and to never lose control of herself when doing so. But of course when she does let go of her own restraints, it’s obvious to see just how godlike her powers truly are. This was a very fair fight, all things considered. For Jean to only lose to a being capable of destroying souls, is still very impressive. At least this fight wasn’t as unbalanced as Crona vs Venom, now THAT was an unfair matchup that was purely for entertainment and not to actually answer who would win.
I love how you guys put the X-Men theme in the battle. I also had a feeling that Raven would win. And Boomstick? You got really poetic at the end.