Who would’ve thought that a 32 minute video on grip size could have been so interesting, lol. Great job as always guys and it’s no wonder that the subscriber number keeps growing.
Like many comments, I discovered using larger grips than standard was a huge improvement to my "comfort" and translated into the more controlled hits on all clubs.
Yep. In my case, standard feels best with an extra wrap on lower half for right hand but I have average size hands with shorter fingers. Large cadet glove.
At last...effect of grip size properly analysed. Without doubt the best golf equipment education ever seen on TH-cam or any other medium for that matter . You guys rock!
I know this is an "older" video, but would love to see a comparison in reference to tapered vs less tapered vs non tapered grips. Plus 4 and plus 2 (lower hand wraps) are a very talked about grip configuration, but have yet to see a straight forward explanation of the potential benefits/hindrances of this setup. Regardless, love the channel, love the content. Keep up the great work
This looks exactly as I feel on a recent change from standard to midsize. Very validating on the feel difference of not being able to turn over the club head. Thanks for the video.
Another stellar video! Love the talk about swing weight in relation to grips. No more “just slap on that flavour of the month grip” yearly! While the differences of swing weight truly affected his delivery I’m curious if taper size will affect his feel and if he thinks he can turn it over more with an aggressive taper rather than no taper. Great thing you have Iron Matt to test these theories!
Thank you for making this awesome video. I am a oversize jumbogrip player. It was the best decision I made switching from standard grip size. However I want to point out is that whenever I show my clubs to normal size players they were shocked and felt uncomfortable to them because the hold it with interlocking grip. I myself hold it like a baseball grip, or 10 fingers grip.
I’ve just discovered grips, I grip mine the same as your-baseball style. I have a short unorthodox swing, i have a wide stance and kinda swing it like a baseball swing with weight falling behind the ball the shifting forward. Hope your game is going well. Thanks for commenting.
Great video guys! Wish you had added some lead tape to the bottom of the club at the end to bring the swing weight back to what it was with the Standard grip as a prove point.
Great post fellas. I've been using midsize grips for years. I don't have big hands but I have long fingers and the middle finger(go figure) of my left hand digs into the meaty part of my palm. For your guys own info, if your interested where I really like the midsize grips is on my wedges especially for chipping and pitching. Feels like I have more control over the wedges and on my driver. All my clubs have midsize grips on them but the wedges and the driver are the clubs I prefer them on the most. Cheers.👍🇨🇦🏌
Also, the love the dynamics of you two on camera and how you talk TO your viewers and not AT them, if you follow. Really enjoyed my morning watching them. Now out to the range...😉
I've been golfing my whole life (I'm 24 now) and never even considered grip size to be a factor. When I just couldn't figure out why I hit my 3 wood straight but hooked my driver i realized it could be because my 3 wood is midsize and my driver is standard. Now my driver has a midsize grip and its straight or falls off to the right like my other shots.
This is by far the most informative golf channel on TH-cam. I wouldn't be surprised if you hit 100k subscribers by the end of the year. I had switched back and forth between midsize and standard about 2 times until I tried out the mcc+4 grips. Is that something you commonly fit people for in the shop? Thanks!
Love the level of tech you two bring to any conversation. I fought swing weight for an entire season, Pure Mid Size grips were 64 grams, went to Winn Dri-Tac Lite at 25 gram and ended up with Golf Pride MCC Regular at 52 grams. Swing weights were all over the chart and my ball striking was horrible until I got back to "normal"!
I never dreamed grip size could make such a difference. My (unfitted) set of ping G10's have a 2 iron that i purchased specifically for "punching out". Its like hitting a board so I never used it for anything else. It needed a new grip so I put a Golf Pride MCC +4 Midsize grip to replace the standard grips. I am now absolutely cranking it out to 215-220 yards with little vibration and quite well controlled. Just loving it. My next set will be fitted of course. I never dreamed that having clubs fit properly would make such a huge difference.
I love jumbo grips. Standard or undersized feel like I’m holding a pencil. I grew up playing baseball with a lot of tape on the handle. Jumbo grips make me feel like I’m holding and bat and I can swing away and know that the club isn’t moving around in my hand.
I've actually tried the baseball grip at the driving range today! For me, I actually noticed some improvements to my irons and hybrids. My 3 wood and driver I compared my interlock grip with baseball. 3 wood was a little inconsistent, but I think with some adjustments I can let it fly. For the driver, interlock was better for me. In short, I have a use for both methods.
Great video, as usual. I have arthritis in my hands. If I want to play golf I must use oversized grips. It’s been about a year since I’ve made the change. Just getting use to them now.
I have large hands. When I asked for larger grips the shop threw them on without mentioning the swing weight difference. I can see the value of a legitimate fitting. Very interesting video. Thanks
I went from standard my whole life to an MCC4 midsize trying to straighten out my ball flight. Now I’m pushing good shots and also having a ton of inconsistency in contact (mainly hitting it fat more often). The contact issues have been really troubling, so I’m going to have to experiment with something smaller than midsize w wraps on a standard
Absolutely loving all your content guys, I wish you had a place in the UK with all your knowledge! I got fitted with G400 through the bag except for putter at the UK’s main high street retailer last year, now I’m pretty sure I’ve been fitted incorrectly for shaft, grip and fairway woods! Keep up the great work👍
I'd like to see a long term test on grip size because golfers have a tendency to override changes after they get more used to them. I know for myself, I went to bigger grips to try and tone down a hook, and it worked initially, but after a while they seemed to make no difference. I even used Jumbo max grips, and I had more of a tendency to shut the face down too much with those.
I just put a Winn oversize wrap on my driver and I absolutely love it. I have a problem with too much grip pressure and the combination of the larger size and the really sticky dritac nearly instantly fixed my grip. That grip will be going on the rest of my clubs on monday.
Great video as always! Would have interesting to see what happenes to the ballflight if you had adjusted the swing weigt back to D4 with the jumbo grip on?
Best one ive seen on grip size ever. Especially regarding the swing weight changes. Nice work. Ive changed down a size to undersized but made them taper-less so they are the same size/completely even in my hands top to bottom. Best grip setup ive ever had. The control now on choke down shots is unbelievable. .
Great video again. It really shows what it takes to get the right feel of the club. I know I prefer midsize bc of the feeling I have even though I as well am a medium glove. I got tired of adding wraps so made the the move from std to midsize and shot strike was better and more in target. Thanks for the great knowledge you provide
Great video but...there's a bit of misinformation here. Changing to heavier grips changes swing weight, but ONLY on the swingweight scale. It does not make a club feel less head heavy. The total weight of the club will obviously increase but unless you're putting on a Jumbo grip it would not be very noticeable. Think of it this way - if you wore a heavy watch on your wrist (like Phil Mickelson), or stuck some lead tape in your glove, and swung your club, would your club head FEEL lighter? Of course not. Adding or taking away weight from the butt end of a club only "fools" the simple swingweight scale. The worst possible thing to do if putting on a heavy grip, is then to increase the club head weight just to "fool" the swingweight scale into indicating that the "measured" swing weight is the same as it was. Generally speaking, the likely effect for most would be creating a overall heavier golf club which could slow down your swing speed. A long standing clubbuilder's rule is to swingweight a club using a 50 gram grip- that is the true swingweight. If you want to put a 58 gm grip on the club it will not make the club head or swing weight feel lighter. usual recommendation is to just leave the head weight alone when adding a heavier grip. The "real" perceived swingweight will have not changed.
Don't know if anyone else has asked for this, but I would be interested in seeing a video that addresses the effect of counter balancing. I read about it from time to time but have never seen a good comparison with a conventionally swing weighted club tested against the same club counter balanced.
I recently found that a new set of clubs with midsized grips came back with very low swing weights around C6. Just changing to a standard grip added almost 3 swing weights. A huge difference in the feel of the club!
One of the best channels on TH-cam and probably the best technical channel for golf. SHOUT out to Ian and Matt for providing such awesome content. My glove size is SMALL. My own experience on grips has been surprising and in a great way. My brother put me on to the Golf Pride CP2 Jumbo. If I had gone only by the given narrative that larger you go in grip size the more likely you are to slice the ball, then I would not have tried the jumbo grip, as my natural swing path is to slice the ball, though that has improved considerably over the last 12 months and I am now able to draw the ball. It is also worth noting that I have suffered from golfers elbow on both left and right arms, but predominantly the right and so has my brother (more about this below). As part of my own experiment I initially had the two longest clubs in my bag, being the driver and 3 wood, changed from a standard Lamkin Crossline grip to the Golf Pride CP2 Jumbo. The change in shot shape was instant and dramatic. With driver it went from having to be really aware of my imminent and more likely slice to a slight pull draw, so much so that I initially had to move the ball position further back in my stance as well as make a shaft adjustment. After having a few sessions on the range I have made a few additional modifications to ball position and shaft position and I am now able to control whether I fade the ball, push draw the ball or pull draw the ball, which I have never been able to do at will. With my 3 wood having the Jumbo grip has straightened my shot shape considerably, but I have to be way more accurate in my swing path delivery with this club. What it has done for my golf game in real terms is to drop my handicap by 3 shots in 7 days. As a result I have now fitted the Golf Pride Jumbo Grip to my hybrid, 4 iron and 5 iron. I will play several games with these before I change any of the clubs over. I have always hit my shorter irons pretty well so I wont mess around with them yet. So the question I asked myself is WHY? Why the dramatic change? ... and the only thing I can come up with is that I dont appear to be gripping my right hand as hard with the jumbo grip. This has also aided in the golfers elbow issue. When I mentioned this to my brother he said... "well that's interesting, because I haven't had any golfers elbow since changing the grip on my driver to the Jumbo Grip" In summary...from a personal perspective I would be looking at different sizes for each club. The longer clubs seem to me to be better with a larger grip. The next part of my own experiment will be to fit a midsize grip to my mid length irons and to leave the shorter irons with a standard grip. The proof is always the results on the course. So far having the jumbo on the longer clubs is working for me. I think also what this shows me is not get stuck in any single narrative, but rather be open to what works for you as an individual. The other thing is to consider grip size as part of every club fit for each individual club and not the some grip size necessarily the same grip size across the whole set,especially when it comes to the driver. I hope this info is of use to others. Thanks again to Ian and Matty, and hopefully oneway I can fly to Canada and play golf there, and maybe get fitted for my next set of clubs with TXG.
great vid. grip size is a pillar to getting fitted. how i found this out was playing in cool weather an using leather roper gloves. then testing what i noticed, on the range. changed my grips to mids with 2 wraps of tape, also noticed my hands are more relaxed.
Been playing for 20 years and have learnt more about golf from your videos than all the info in that time. Just had my irons reshafted, swing weight has gone from D1 to D7. My fitter explained that a heavier grip would bring the swingweight down. Currently have standard Golf Pride multi comp's fitted 1 layer of tape. Could you recommend a heavier standard grip to move it nearer to D3/D4. Will extra layers of tape make a difference. My glove size is ML. Thanks
V Interesting with regards swing weight and feel. See so often the spec from OEM's saying D2 etc... it really does depend on the individuals feel, how the flight is in relationship to their desired outcome and where weight needs to be added/changed. Great Video!!
I would have expected you'd use a driver(the longest club in the bag) to see if grip size matters or not. It's also the club that I would think most people put the most effort into swinging, thus you'd see more of a difference if there is one. But, you'd need to adjust the swing weight for each grip to make sure it's not the swing weight or heft feel that's making a difference, of course that's more difficult to do with irons unless you want to use lead tape for the temporary adjustments.
I have gone back and forth between +2 and +3 wraps under a .580 on a .600 butt. Played lamkin my entire career, but I have tried the new Golf Pride MCC +4 on my wedges +2 wraps and it made my wedges take off so straight. The Grips are a bit heavy but Cleveland builds my wedges at D6 to offset. Great video guys. Matt's so good, if you gave me that skinny grip I would have cold topped at least one of them.
Got fitted for a set of p760s last year and decided to go with midsized grips because it felt better in the hand. I didn't put any thought into the grips being the difference but I all of a sudden lost my natural draw of the ball and was having a harder time turning it over. I still played pretty well but had to literally re-learn how to line up my shots and it honestly was a bit frustrating losing my beautiful draw. It's easy to intentionally hit a cut but it's harder to draw the ball so for being able to work the ball back and forth, I'll be switching back to standard grips. Thanks for the video.
Great video guys. Always played with a draw/pull draw, struggled to fade the ball. I've since changed clubs from TM M2 Tour into JPX 919 Forged. Mizuno typically being 1 degree flatter, and higher lofted made the pull disappear, but my hands are prone to flipping. I've gone from a standard size Lamkin z, to a Golf Pride MCC+4. I find drawing the ball now more of an effort. The grip has definitely contributed to making the ball go straighter, and even given me the ability to play a more natural fade (which I actually prefer as it's more controllable, and fades are a better miss than a pull IMO). For guys out there struggling with certain shots, try changing the grip, it can make that slight difference we're aiming for...and gives us an excuse to buy/try something new!!!
Good data. I use a jumbo on all clubs. I've had 5 operations on my hands. I use a interlock crib with my left thumb turned behind my right hand. Doing this for 35 years now.
My hand size is between normal and midsize. Normal grips make my hands close the club face at impact. I play midsize with one layer of tape. I like the feel to have the club more in my hand than in the fingers. Makes the club face close less or not at all for me. My midsize grips (Karma Midsize) weight 55 grams. The standard grips I got after my fitting of the clubs weights 52 grams. So there is little less of one swing weight in change.
I know I’m late to this party, but what a great video. I do wish they would’ve added wraps of tape into the equation and how many grams each wrap adds. I’ve recently switched from midsized to mcc plus 4 standard and love it. I do wonder what an extra layer of tape or two would feel like from grips size and how it affected swing weight.
I always thought I had long fingers but turns out I have long palms! I bought some midsize master series leather gripmaster grips for my wedges and loved them so much got them on all my clubs ... feel great in the wet or in the heat .... unfortunately mostly in the wet in North of England ... great vid guys👋🏻👋🏻
While this is a long time after posting of this video, it would be interesting to show the result of adding head weight with the larger grip to bring the swingweight back to normal range. The total club weight will be much heavier and the MOI of the club will be much higher.
For years I struggled with an occasional viscous hook drive...I'm talking two fairways over!!! My father put an oversize grip on his driver...and I used it for an entire round. I did not miss a single fairway. I immediately put one on my driver...and it cured my hook...literally overnight! I don't have that problem with my other clubs...so for now I'm keeping them the same. I think the OS grips keep your wrists from over rotating. At least...that's what it feels like to me.
I have the same experience. My hybrids were hooking really bad with a midsized grip - but when I used the Jumbomax (small) on all three hybrids - they go straight most of the time. Very rarely do I hit hooks with these now.
The Winn Dri-Tac range of grips have just a 1g increase between standard and midsize, and another 1g between midsize and oversize. I think that's pretty cool, so you can change grip size without messing with swing weight.
Fascinating video. I would suggest that Winn DriTac Lites could have been used for the jumbo to keep from changing the swingweight. At 33g the SW would move back to the undersized grip. I like the Winn grips and have experimented with the lites and standard and don't have any issue even thought there is 17g difference for same sized grip(??). I will look for a swing weight for your video next. Thanks Fellas!
Really useful information. I'm very new to golf (only a few weeks really) and am going for my first ever fitting next week. I'm nervous it's too soon since I still hoof the ball as often as not, but I'm a big guy and standard length clubs are impossible. I'd never even thought grip size was a thing, but hopefully this will help cure the discomfort in my left little finger!
I've often wondered about this. I'm currently going back and forth with sets of standard and midsized. Also my wedges/woods have different grips, which sucks. I need to regrip the wedges to match. Sometimes, certain grips, can feel like holding a pencil, but I think I'm capable of playing equally bad with regular or midsized grips! I can't use a Jumbo though. Real eye opening about the weight differences. One thing we can agree on is replacing slick or worn grips with new ones.
It's nice to finally hear the real deal on grip sizes. I'm 6'4" and have large hands. Palming a basketball is a piece of cake. Regarding grip size, I had a thumb injury in high school which made it painful to grip the club in the standard fashion. An old guy in the back of the local muni looked at me and asked for my 7 iron. I picked it up 30 min later and it looked like a baseball bat! He also altered my grip which eliminated the pain although it felt oh so weird. However, I could swing all out without any issue and my slice became straight and a small draw when needed. Talking with him afterward, he said that he left the grip on the club but wrapped it with rubber from an inner tube! He then run it past the belt sander to take off any unwanted edges and that made it feel like velvet. That was 40 years ago and I've been doing the same thing ever since with all my clubs. The clubs always feel "good" and my grip pressure is light due to the fact that I never feel like the club will slip no matter how hard I swing or how deep the rough. They are great conversation starters usually before the 2nd hole!
Good stuff as always. With regard to grip weight and its effect on swing weight, however, there are some disagreements among fitters. Some look at this in a static way and say, well, adding weight to the grip (say, 4g) requires more head weight (1-2g) to achieve the same swing weight. That might be true in the sense of achieving the same swing weight scale measurement, but that's not the same as FEEL. To a great extent, adding additional weight through a heavier grip is just "tricking" the swing weight scale. I would be willing to bet that the club Matt was swinging with the oversized grip probably felt a fraction lighter, but certainly not 7 or 8 swing weights lighter. Conversely, if a fitter tried to "fix" this problem by adding head weight (it would take about 14 grams!) the club would feel insanely heavy. Swing weight numbers, in short, get distorted very easily by grip weight and that higher (or lower) grip weight doesn't necessarily translate (1 for 1) in feel. Bryson DeChambeau's grips, for example, weigh more 100 grams! It would take 20 grams of added head weight to bring his clubs back to a conventional swing weight. Adding that much head weight would make his clubs un-hittable. And without adding any head weight, you would think adding that much grip weight would make his clubs feel like match sticks. Clearly that's not the case or he would have no way of controlling them. Sorry for the long post, but the idea that there is a 1 for 1 match between swing weight changes and feel is not true, IMO. Would love to hear your take.
Great stuff again guys. Thanks a lot from Germany. To be honest I didn't know that swing weight changes this much by change of grip size though I know that for sure bigger grips must be heavier. Very interesting.
Man I want these guys to give me a fitting. I've been to several "fittings" and it seems like they just say "yep the numbers look good". We don't really try different shafts much or grips or head weights or anything. I just bought all new clubs and I'm not fully confident they're exactly what I need.
to be honest most golfers don't need a super in-depth fitting, just make sure everything is working well enough and the rest of it is on the golfer fixing big swing faults to hit it better, THEN get a in-depth fitting
I believe every golfer needs a static fitting to get the right specs but dynamic fittings really benefit the better golfers with their more consistent strike and swing
Just had a fitting with Dean Fry and this was not a part of the fitting process and my purchase .He only asked which one I liked from the rack of samples . I picked the ones which were on the shafts I chose never offered to try any of the others.Definitely didn’t get the icing on the cake.
This is one of the limitations of swing weight and why I build using MOI matching instead of swing weight. Extra weight under the hands doesn't require extra force to swing the club (that's why his swing speed didn't drop). The change you're seeing is due to size, not swing weight. Changing swing weight in the head makes real difference... Changing swing weight via grip weight does not.
As someone who has always been Mr Average (standard length, reg shaft, standard lie, standard grip, medium glove...) I would be really interested to have a fitting to the highest quality that TXG does, just to see if I would still be Mr Average. One day!
Best total build sequence to date & potential other testing/build sequence oversights? ...The grip having been one one of your "Icing on the cake" build components AND "Usually left to customer choice only": What build pieces have the most effect; which order typically produces the quickest & most consistent end/shot consistency result build; was the grip component moved up in your build sequence AND; are there other components that could have more effect than known to date that you plan to more scientifically investigate? GREAT vid & questioning of old beliefs! Thank you & to all who gave the feedback that resulted in & from this video.
That's why, when grip testing you use a different grip brand, model. etc., that weighs the same as the stock grip - to keep the same swingweight/feel. For example if you're currently have cord grips, you can try a larger non-cord grip like a Winn, that are lighter weight - usually a midsize Winn will be the same or lighter than cord grip in standard size. Fine-adjust with tape wraps on the lower grip to equalize the swingweight to the stock stick for testing. If the player is used to the flex/feel of the clubs, don't change the swing weight more than 2-3pts or the clubs' frequency will be noticeably different, requiring different swing timing.
I have been really looking at grip size over the past 5 years. I've tried undersized, no taper, reverse taper, jumbo reverse taper (Enlow) as well as the JumboMax Wrap and the JumboMax JMX Ultralight. My thinking is that a lot of comes down to grip size, grip weight, hand size and hand/wrist strength. Furthermore, I believe it depends on what club the player is using. A player hitting a driver is going to apply much more force to the handle, particularly at the top of the swing, than they would with a 9-iron. I've seen Michael Neff from GEARS show a reduced rate of closure with the JumboMax grips. I think there's some positives from that, but with the heavier JumboMax grips I've seen a lot of players struggle with the high, push miss. The lighter JumboMax grips can get the ball flight more towards the target. My problem with them is that they still launch high. But with a driver, it's probably a very good grip to have because of the size. If you can find a light enough weight, then you have something. I believe Bryson has had success with the JumboMax grips because he has very strong hands/wrists. But for the average golfer, I think the technology will eventually determine that it's a grip size and grip weight issue along with going from large to smaller grips as one goes from their lowest to highest lofted club.
I use standard grips in all my irons - in my wedges standard +1 layer , and midsize in 3 wood and driver . For me it is perfect and comfortable - reasoning is the longer shafts in the driver/3 wood to seems harder to hold on to , and the wedges feel more comfortable a shade bigger
First video I’ve seen by you guys but interesting what was found. Was thinking about changing my grips before this but will definitely do my own little test before choosing a size now!
my club fitter told me the same thing, it' amazing that only a grip size or add just few layers can make a significant changement in your golf swing! And yes not a lot of golfer know that!
Great video guys, A lot of old pro ''fitters'' go by glove size = grip size... which has always been wrong for me, I have large hands but like an extremely tight glove so always wear a size smaller. So bad ''fittings'' always put me onto medium grips [which can spin in my hands and give me blisters]. Until I got fitted properly and they measured my mitts and put me in a midsize.. it took me a while to adjust to them, similar results to your video, my normal fade started to turn into pushes [I'm R/H]... but I stuck in there and adjusted to it. Like you say it's a timing thing. For me It's so much more comfortable using the midsize and worth the extra range hours. BTW I play the Srixon 765/965 combo, 0.50 inch longer in project x LZ 6.0 and wouldn't have a clue what the swing weight is??.. They feel great, but wondering after seeing this if that half inch is helping with the extra grip weight?? [which are Lamkin utx midsize] - Thanks
My dad regripped my old clubs at some point and put a slightly thicker golf pride on there compared to my other grips so now my two wedges have a slightly thicker grip - absolutely love them. Thinking about regripping all clubs to get the same consistent grip feeling with every club. Dunno if its worth spending $100+ to regrip clubs or if i should just get new or new to me clubs and regrip them if i need it.
Approximately how heavy is a layer of tape and how many layers might be required to bulk up a standard grip to a midsize diameter? Consequently, is tape a better solution if the player wants to minimise the change in swing weight when increasing grip diameter? Lastly, is the efficacy and durability of the grip affected by stretching it over multiple layers of tape? Cheers guys. Keep up the great work!
I suspect adding tape to build up a standard grip to the same diameter as a midsize grip would add more weight than just replacing the grip. The tape is more dense than the foam like material of the grip (although tape can be made from foam like material too--although that would make it thicker), and weighs more for the same thickness. Tape is probably more useful for increasing the diameter in smaller increments than a full size increase. The solution is to add weight to the club head end to return the club to the same balance (but adds even more weight to the club overall, which could be partially offset with a lighter shaft, and so on). Looking forward to the series on club building!
Could you revisit this video with the jumbo grip Bryson plays. It is the same weight as a standard grip and not 88 grams as this one in the video. Interested in seeing the ball flights compared.
I now have DeChambeaux's Massive Grips - really like them - seem to get a lot better connection. I have huge hands and they no longer ache which is great.
these guys really do think about every aspect of what they are doing, no trite answers here, just facts and educated opinions based on evidence. integrity.
Great video as always. I didn’t think that grips would make that much of a difference, I suppose having ping clubs fitted for me the swing weight would of been adjusted for my midsize grips.
I notice that Matt's club is much closer to parallel in this video than it normally is. Any reason? Was he working on something? Thanks again, love these videos, I'm addicted.
Great video. I think swing weight is so over looked in most fittings, even with great fitters. Is there a guideline of the swing weight changes to expect with building up a grip? If the difference in a standard and a midsize grip is 8 grams (with that brand), what about an extra wrap or two on a standard grip? It’d be cool to see you guys talk about the differences in a .580 vs .600 grip on a standard Dynamic Gold type .600 butt shaft
Hand size falls inbetween Standard and Midsized. Having a shaft built up and will be trying a Midsize grip for the driver. Being winter, I can get on the sim and experiment with what works best. Will do a 7i as well to see if the 1 degree flat I normally use is no longer required, but if longer irons need to be 2 degrees up instead of the 1 degree I use now since the face would stay more open.
Like the video guys well done. Though I changed my driver grip to a midsize cp2 with 3 layers of tape and it was a game changer was hitting it straighter and further, and my dispersion was alot tighter. Not sure if the larger grip size was making me put my hands on the grip in a different position. Used to struggle to draw the ball now I can do it either way.
What would be the ideal grip size if I wear a men's M/L or a cadet L? I know its personal preference but Ive always been contemplating because I feel like I am right in the middle. Also, I feel like a golf pride tour velvet midsize feels slightly smaller compared to like a multi compound midsize
Would love to see the same test done with a higher handicaped player to see if it gives the same sort of results. Great video. Keep it up. Regards David
Who would’ve thought that a 32 minute video on grip size could have been so interesting, lol. Great job as always guys and it’s no wonder that the subscriber number keeps growing.
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Hahah i saw the time stamp and thought, look out, theres a 60 min plastic/wood tee blockbuster around the corner! 😁
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LOL I know. I woulda said there's zero chance I'm listening to half an hour of grip size.
Like many comments, I discovered using larger grips than standard was a huge improvement to my "comfort" and translated into the more controlled hits on all clubs.
Yep. In my case, standard feels best with an extra wrap on lower half for right hand but I have average size hands with shorter fingers. Large cadet glove.
More information than I ever could have imagined on grips. Love the explanation relating to swing weight.
At last...effect of grip size properly analysed. Without doubt the best golf equipment education ever seen on TH-cam or any other medium for that matter . You guys rock!
Thanks Martin!!
I know this is an "older" video, but would love to see a comparison in reference to tapered vs less tapered vs non tapered grips. Plus 4 and plus 2 (lower hand wraps) are a very talked about grip configuration, but have yet to see a straight forward explanation of the potential benefits/hindrances of this setup. Regardless, love the channel, love the content. Keep up the great work
This looks exactly as I feel on a recent change from standard to midsize. Very validating on the feel difference of not being able to turn over the club head. Thanks for the video.
Do you like the change to midsize?
This is really a good break down of weighting and how it affects swing and feel. Excellent.
Another stellar video! Love the talk about swing weight in relation to grips. No more “just slap on that flavour of the month grip” yearly!
While the differences of swing weight truly affected his delivery I’m curious if taper size will affect his feel and if he thinks he can turn it over more with an aggressive taper rather than no taper. Great thing you have Iron Matt to test these theories!
Thank you for making this awesome video.
I am a oversize jumbogrip player. It was the best decision I made switching from standard grip size.
However I want to point out is that whenever I show my clubs to normal size players they were shocked and felt uncomfortable to them because the hold it with interlocking grip.
I myself hold it like a baseball grip, or 10 fingers grip.
I’ve just discovered grips, I grip mine the same as your-baseball style. I have a short unorthodox swing, i have a wide stance and kinda swing it like a baseball swing with weight falling behind the ball the shifting forward. Hope your game is going well. Thanks for commenting.
Great video guys! Wish you had added some lead tape to the bottom of the club at the end to bring the swing weight back to what it was with the Standard grip as a prove point.
Very interesting to see the changes in Matt's backswing whilst im jumping between videos! Looks better shorter. Keep going guys. Love the videos.
The transparency in your outlook and the honesty in your intent is infectious. Congrats. Big fan.
Great post fellas. I've been using midsize grips for years. I don't have big hands but I have long fingers and the middle finger(go figure) of my left hand digs into the meaty part of my palm. For your guys own info, if your interested where I really like the midsize grips is on my wedges especially for chipping and pitching. Feels like I have more control over the wedges and on my driver. All my clubs have midsize grips on them but the wedges and the driver are the clubs I prefer them on the most. Cheers.👍🇨🇦🏌
Also, the love the dynamics of you two on camera and how you talk TO your viewers and not AT them, if you follow. Really enjoyed my morning watching them. Now out to the range...😉
Thank you, we appreciate that!
I’m loving the fact that you have done so much content that you pretty much appear for everything I search for! Keep up the great work.
I've been golfing my whole life (I'm 24 now) and never even considered grip size to be a factor. When I just couldn't figure out why I hit my 3 wood straight but hooked my driver i realized it could be because my 3 wood is midsize and my driver is standard. Now my driver has a midsize grip and its straight or falls off to the right like my other shots.
This is by far the most informative golf channel on TH-cam. I wouldn't be surprised if you hit 100k subscribers by the end of the year. I had switched back and forth between midsize and standard about 2 times until I tried out the mcc+4 grips. Is that something you commonly fit people for in the shop? Thanks!
They are definitely getting more popular!
Love all of your stuff! This channel has convinced me to get fitted for all of my clubs going forward
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Love the level of tech you two bring to any conversation. I fought swing weight for an entire season, Pure Mid Size grips were 64 grams, went to Winn Dri-Tac Lite at 25 gram and ended up with Golf Pride MCC Regular at 52 grams. Swing weights were all over the chart and my ball striking was horrible until I got back to "normal"!
I never dreamed grip size could make such a difference. My (unfitted) set of ping G10's have a 2 iron that i purchased specifically for "punching out". Its like hitting a board so I never used it for anything else. It needed a new grip so I put a Golf Pride MCC +4 Midsize grip to replace the standard grips. I am now absolutely cranking it out to 215-220 yards with little vibration and quite well controlled. Just loving it. My next set will be fitted of course. I never dreamed that having clubs fit properly would make such a huge difference.
I love jumbo grips. Standard or undersized feel like I’m holding a pencil. I grew up playing baseball with a lot of tape on the handle. Jumbo grips make me feel like I’m holding and bat and I can swing away and know that the club isn’t moving around in my hand.
I've actually tried the baseball grip at the driving range today! For me, I actually noticed some improvements to my irons and hybrids. My 3 wood and driver I compared my interlock grip with baseball. 3 wood was a little inconsistent, but I think with some adjustments I can let it fly. For the driver, interlock was better for me.
In short, I have a use for both methods.
Great video, as usual. I have arthritis in my hands. If I want to play golf I must use oversized grips. It’s been about a year since I’ve made the change. Just getting use to them now.
I wear an XL size glove and when I switched to midsize grips, there was an imidiate difference in comfort and accuracy. Helped my iron play the most.
I have large hands. When I asked for larger grips the shop threw them on without mentioning the swing weight difference. I can see the value of a legitimate fitting. Very interesting video. Thanks
I went from standard my whole life to an MCC4 midsize trying to straighten out my ball flight. Now I’m pushing good shots and also having a ton of inconsistency in contact (mainly hitting it fat more often). The contact issues have been really troubling, so I’m going to have to experiment with something smaller than midsize w wraps on a standard
Truly beginning to be my favorite TH-cam golf channel. Keep up the great work guys.
Phillip Christie thanks Philip!! 🙌🏻
Absolutely loving all your content guys, I wish you had a place in the UK with all your knowledge! I got fitted with G400 through the bag except for putter at the UK’s main high street retailer last year, now I’m pretty sure I’ve been fitted incorrectly for shaft, grip and fairway woods! Keep up the great work👍
I'd like to see a long term test on grip size because golfers have a tendency to override changes after they get more used to them. I know for myself, I went to bigger grips to try and tone down a hook, and it worked initially, but after a while they seemed to make no difference. I even used Jumbo max grips, and I had more of a tendency to shut the face down too much with those.
I just put a Winn oversize wrap on my driver and I absolutely love it. I have a problem with too much grip pressure and the combination of the larger size and the really sticky dritac nearly instantly fixed my grip. That grip will be going on the rest of my clubs on monday.
Patrick Whitehead interesting...what was your issue prior to new grip being put on and results after over sized
Great video as always! Would have interesting to see what happenes to the ballflight if you had adjusted the swing weigt back to D4 with the jumbo grip on?
Great video guys! I was fit for oversized grips and I really feel like it hurt my comfort level and harder to close the face.
Best grip video on the internet, hands down! 😎👍🏼👏🏼
Best one ive seen on grip size ever. Especially regarding the swing weight changes. Nice work. Ive changed down a size to undersized but made them taper-less so they are the same size/completely even in my hands top to bottom. Best grip setup ive ever had. The control now on choke down shots is unbelievable. .
Great video again. It really shows what it takes to get the right feel of the club. I know I prefer midsize bc of the feeling I have even though I as well am a medium glove. I got tired of adding wraps so made the the move from std to midsize and shot strike was better and more in target. Thanks for the great knowledge you provide
Great video but...there's a bit of misinformation here. Changing to heavier grips changes swing weight, but ONLY on the swingweight scale. It does not make a club feel less head heavy. The total weight of the club will obviously increase but unless you're putting on a Jumbo grip it would not be very noticeable. Think of it this way - if you wore a heavy watch on your wrist (like Phil Mickelson), or stuck some lead tape in your glove, and swung your club, would your club head FEEL lighter? Of course not. Adding or taking away weight from the butt end of a club only "fools" the simple swingweight scale. The worst possible thing to do if putting on a heavy grip, is then to increase the club head weight just to "fool" the swingweight scale into indicating that the "measured" swing weight is the same as it was. Generally speaking, the likely effect for most would be creating a overall heavier golf club which could slow down your swing speed. A long standing clubbuilder's rule is to swingweight a club using a 50 gram grip- that is the true swingweight. If you want to put a 58 gm grip on the club it will not make the club head or swing weight feel lighter. usual recommendation is to just leave the head weight alone when adding a heavier grip. The "real" perceived swingweight will have not changed.
Don't know if anyone else has asked for this, but I would be interested in seeing a video that addresses the effect of counter balancing. I read about it from time to time but have never seen a good comparison with a conventionally swing weighted club tested against the same club counter balanced.
I recently found that a new set of clubs with midsized grips came back with very low swing weights around C6. Just changing to a standard grip added almost 3 swing weights. A huge difference in the feel of the club!
Those grips must have been 10-12 grams heavier than the standard you replaced them with.👍🏼
One of the best channels on TH-cam and probably the best technical channel for golf.
SHOUT out to Ian and Matt for providing such awesome content.
My glove size is SMALL.
My own experience on grips has been surprising and in a great way.
My brother put me on to the Golf Pride CP2 Jumbo.
If I had gone only by the given narrative that larger you go in grip size the more likely you are to slice the ball, then I would not have tried the jumbo grip, as my natural swing path is to slice the ball, though that has improved considerably over the last 12 months and I am now able to draw the ball.
It is also worth noting that I have suffered from golfers elbow on both left and right arms, but predominantly the right and so has my brother (more about this below).
As part of my own experiment I initially had the two longest clubs in my bag, being the driver and 3 wood, changed from a standard Lamkin Crossline grip to the Golf Pride CP2 Jumbo.
The change in shot shape was instant and dramatic.
With driver it went from having to be really aware of my imminent and more likely slice to a slight pull draw, so much so that I initially had to move the ball position further back in my stance as well as make a shaft adjustment. After having a few sessions on the range I have made a few additional modifications to ball position and shaft position and I am now able to control whether I fade the ball, push draw the ball or pull draw the ball, which I have never been able to do at will.
With my 3 wood having the Jumbo grip has straightened my shot shape considerably, but I have to be way more accurate in my swing path delivery with this club.
What it has done for my golf game in real terms is to drop my handicap by 3 shots in 7 days.
As a result I have now fitted the Golf Pride Jumbo Grip to my hybrid, 4 iron and 5 iron.
I will play several games with these before I change any of the clubs over.
I have always hit my shorter irons pretty well so I wont mess around with them yet.
So the question I asked myself is WHY? Why the dramatic change? ... and the only thing I can come up with is that I dont appear to be gripping my right hand as hard with the jumbo grip. This has also aided in the golfers elbow issue. When I mentioned this to my brother he said... "well that's interesting, because I haven't had any golfers elbow since changing the grip on my driver to the Jumbo Grip"
In summary...from a personal perspective I would be looking at different sizes for each club. The longer clubs seem to me to be better with a larger grip. The next part of my own experiment will be to fit a midsize grip to my mid length irons and to leave the shorter irons with a standard grip. The proof is always the results on the course. So far having the jumbo on the longer clubs is working for me.
I think also what this shows me is not get stuck in any single narrative, but rather be open to what works for you as an individual. The other thing is to consider grip size as part of every club fit for each individual club and not the some grip size necessarily the same grip size across the whole set,especially when it comes to the driver.
I hope this info is of use to others.
Thanks again to Ian and Matty, and hopefully oneway I can fly to Canada and play golf there, and maybe get fitted for my next set of clubs with TXG.
great vid. grip size is a pillar to getting fitted. how i found this out was playing in cool weather an using leather roper gloves. then testing what i noticed, on the range. changed my grips to mids with 2 wraps of tape, also noticed my hands are more relaxed.
Been playing for 20 years and have learnt more about golf from your videos than all the info in that time.
Just had my irons reshafted, swing weight has gone from D1 to D7. My fitter explained that a heavier grip would bring the swingweight down. Currently have standard Golf Pride multi comp's fitted 1 layer of tape. Could you recommend a heavier standard grip to move it nearer to D3/D4. Will extra layers of tape make a difference. My glove size is ML. Thanks
V Interesting with regards swing weight and feel. See so often the spec from OEM's saying D2 etc... it really does depend on the individuals feel, how the flight is in relationship to their desired outcome and where weight needs to be added/changed. Great Video!!
I would have expected you'd use a driver(the longest club in the bag) to see if grip size matters or not. It's also the club that I would think most people put the most effort into swinging, thus you'd see more of a difference if there is one. But, you'd need to adjust the swing weight for each grip to make sure it's not the swing weight or heft feel that's making a difference, of course that's more difficult to do with irons unless you want to use lead tape for the temporary adjustments.
I have gone back and forth between +2 and +3 wraps under a .580 on a .600 butt. Played lamkin my entire career, but I have tried the new Golf Pride MCC +4 on my wedges +2 wraps and it made my wedges take off so straight. The Grips are a bit heavy but Cleveland builds my wedges at D6 to offset. Great video guys. Matt's so good, if you gave me that skinny grip I would have cold topped at least one of them.
Got fitted for a set of p760s last year and decided to go with midsized grips because it felt better in the hand. I didn't put any thought into the grips being the difference but I all of a sudden lost my natural draw of the ball and was having a harder time turning it over. I still played pretty well but had to literally re-learn how to line up my shots and it honestly was a bit frustrating losing my beautiful draw. It's easy to intentionally hit a cut but it's harder to draw the ball so for being able to work the ball back and forth, I'll be switching back to standard grips. Thanks for the video.
Great video guys. Always played with a draw/pull draw, struggled to fade the ball. I've since changed clubs from TM M2 Tour into JPX 919 Forged. Mizuno typically being 1 degree flatter, and higher lofted made the pull disappear, but my hands are prone to flipping. I've gone from a standard size Lamkin z, to a Golf Pride MCC+4. I find drawing the ball now more of an effort. The grip has definitely contributed to making the ball go straighter, and even given me the ability to play a more natural fade (which I actually prefer as it's more controllable, and fades are a better miss than a pull IMO). For guys out there struggling with certain shots, try changing the grip, it can make that slight difference we're aiming for...and gives us an excuse to buy/try something new!!!
Great info, I wish I could try out the grip on the club where I'm getting fit.
Really enjoyed the difference between grip sizes....I have large hands and use mid size grips....thanks....I learned something today.
Good data.
I use a jumbo on all clubs. I've had 5 operations on my hands.
I use a interlock crib with my left thumb turned behind my right hand. Doing this for 35 years now.
My hand size is between normal and midsize. Normal grips make my hands close the club face at impact.
I play midsize with one layer of tape. I like the feel to have the club more in my hand than in the fingers. Makes the club face close less or not at all for me.
My midsize grips (Karma Midsize) weight 55 grams. The standard grips I got after my fitting of the clubs weights 52 grams. So there is little less of one swing weight in change.
I know I’m late to this party, but what a great video. I do wish they would’ve added wraps of tape into the equation and how many grams each wrap adds. I’ve recently switched from midsized to mcc plus 4 standard and love it. I do wonder what an extra layer of tape or two would feel like from grips size and how it affected swing weight.
I always thought I had long fingers but turns out I have long palms! I bought some midsize master series leather gripmaster grips for my wedges and loved them so much got them on all my clubs ... feel great in the wet or in the heat .... unfortunately mostly in the wet in North of England ... great vid guys👋🏻👋🏻
While this is a long time after posting of this video, it would be interesting to show the result of adding head weight with the larger grip to bring the swingweight back to normal range. The total club weight will be much heavier and the MOI of the club will be much higher.
For years I struggled with an occasional viscous hook drive...I'm talking two fairways over!!! My father put an oversize grip on his driver...and I used it for an entire round. I did not miss a single fairway. I immediately put one on my driver...and it cured my hook...literally overnight! I don't have that problem with my other clubs...so for now I'm keeping them the same. I think the OS grips keep your wrists from over rotating. At least...that's what it feels like to me.
I have the same experience. My hybrids were hooking really bad with a midsized grip - but when I used the Jumbomax (small) on all three hybrids - they go straight most of the time. Very rarely do I hit hooks with these now.
I think a fitting should start by the grip.
Did mine with John Lawson in Paris who use Doc Wright Balance system and it was a game changer.
Great video again guys. I learn loads from your content. Keep up the great work 👍
Im so happy there are other golf nerds out there
Getting towards that 10k, great work gentlemen!
The Winn Dri-Tac range of grips have just a 1g increase between standard and midsize, and another 1g between midsize and oversize. I think that's pretty cool, so you can change grip size without messing with swing weight.
Fascinating video. I would suggest that Winn DriTac Lites could have been used for the jumbo to keep from changing the swingweight. At 33g the SW would move back to the undersized grip. I like the Winn grips and have experimented with the lites and standard and don't have any issue even thought there is 17g difference for same sized grip(??). I will look for a swing weight for your video next. Thanks Fellas!
Another great video guys 👍 playing a few years now and you guys continue to teach me some great new stuff.
Really useful information. I'm very new to golf (only a few weeks really) and am going for my first ever fitting next week. I'm nervous it's too soon since I still hoof the ball as often as not, but I'm a big guy and standard length clubs are impossible. I'd never even thought grip size was a thing, but hopefully this will help cure the discomfort in my left little finger!
Great session. Excellent data on the effective swing weight.
I've often wondered about this. I'm currently going back and forth with sets of standard and midsized. Also my wedges/woods have different grips, which sucks. I need to regrip the wedges to match. Sometimes, certain grips, can feel like holding a pencil, but I think I'm capable of playing equally bad with regular or midsized grips! I can't use a Jumbo though. Real eye opening about the weight differences. One thing we can agree on is replacing slick or worn grips with new ones.
It's nice to finally hear the real deal on grip sizes. I'm 6'4" and have large hands. Palming a basketball is a piece of cake. Regarding grip size, I had a thumb injury in high school which made it painful to grip the club in the standard fashion. An old guy in the back of the local muni looked at me and asked for my 7 iron. I picked it up 30 min later and it looked like a baseball bat! He also altered my grip which eliminated the pain although it felt oh so weird. However, I could swing all out without any issue and my slice became straight and a small draw when needed. Talking with him afterward, he said that he left the grip on the club but wrapped it with rubber from an inner tube! He then run it past the belt sander to take off any unwanted edges and that made it feel like velvet. That was 40 years ago and I've been doing the same thing ever since with all my clubs. The clubs always feel "good" and my grip pressure is light due to the fact that I never feel like the club will slip no matter how hard I swing or how deep the rough. They are great conversation starters usually before the 2nd hole!
Good one!
A bicycle inner tube? I'm beginning to build my own grips. Fishing rod grip wrap at the moment but interested in the inner tube
Good stuff as always. With regard to grip weight and its effect on swing weight, however, there are some disagreements among fitters. Some look at this in a static way and say, well, adding weight to the grip (say, 4g) requires more head weight (1-2g) to achieve the same swing weight. That might be true in the sense of achieving the same swing weight scale measurement, but that's not the same as FEEL. To a great extent, adding additional weight through a heavier grip is just "tricking" the swing weight scale. I would be willing to bet that the club Matt was swinging with the oversized grip probably felt a fraction lighter, but certainly not 7 or 8 swing weights lighter. Conversely, if a fitter tried to "fix" this problem by adding head weight (it would take about 14 grams!) the club would feel insanely heavy. Swing weight numbers, in short, get distorted very easily by grip weight and that higher (or lower) grip weight doesn't necessarily translate (1 for 1) in feel. Bryson DeChambeau's grips, for example, weigh more 100 grams! It would take 20 grams of added head weight to bring his clubs back to a conventional swing weight. Adding that much head weight would make his clubs un-hittable. And without adding any head weight, you would think adding that much grip weight would make his clubs feel like match sticks. Clearly that's not the case or he would have no way of controlling them. Sorry for the long post, but the idea that there is a 1 for 1 match between swing weight changes and feel is not true, IMO. Would love to hear your take.
Great stuff again guys. Thanks a lot from Germany. To be honest I didn't know that swing weight changes this much by change of grip size though I know that for sure bigger grips must be heavier. Very interesting.
I'd like to see this revisited and maintain the seeing weight among the grip sizes.
I’m in the process of selecting new clubs and this has helped a lot!
Can you do a video on weighting clubs? How to determine amount, location, etc?
Man I want these guys to give me a fitting. I've been to several "fittings" and it seems like they just say "yep the numbers look good". We don't really try different shafts much or grips or head weights or anything. I just bought all new clubs and I'm not fully confident they're exactly what I need.
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to be honest most golfers don't need a super in-depth fitting, just make sure everything is working well enough and the rest of it is on the golfer fixing big swing faults to hit it better, THEN get a in-depth fitting
I think you're right.
Go to club chsmpion theyve actually just acquired txg
I believe every golfer needs a static fitting to get the right specs but dynamic fittings really benefit the better golfers with their more consistent strike and swing
Just had a fitting with Dean Fry and this was not a part of the fitting process and my purchase .He only asked which one I liked from the rack of samples . I picked the ones which were on the shafts I chose never offered to try any of the others.Definitely didn’t get the icing on the cake.
This is one of the limitations of swing weight and why I build using MOI matching instead of swing weight. Extra weight under the hands doesn't require extra force to swing the club (that's why his swing speed didn't drop). The change you're seeing is due to size, not swing weight.
Changing swing weight in the head makes real difference... Changing swing weight via grip weight does not.
As someone who has always been Mr Average (standard length, reg shaft, standard lie, standard grip, medium glove...) I would be really interested to have a fitting to the highest quality that TXG does, just to see if I would still be Mr Average.
One day!
Best total build sequence to date & potential other testing/build sequence oversights? ...The grip having been one one of your "Icing on the cake" build components AND "Usually left to customer choice only": What build pieces have the most effect; which order typically produces the quickest & most consistent end/shot consistency result build; was the grip component moved up in your build sequence AND; are there other components that could have more effect than known to date that you plan to more scientifically investigate? GREAT vid & questioning of old beliefs! Thank you & to all who gave the feedback that resulted in & from this video.
That's why, when grip testing you use a different grip brand, model. etc., that weighs the same as the stock grip - to keep the same swingweight/feel. For example if you're currently have cord grips, you can try a larger non-cord grip like a Winn, that are lighter weight - usually a midsize Winn will be the same or lighter than cord grip in standard size. Fine-adjust with tape wraps on the lower grip to equalize the swingweight to the stock stick for testing. If the player is used to the flex/feel of the clubs, don't change the swing weight more than 2-3pts or the clubs' frequency will be noticeably different, requiring different swing timing.
I have been really looking at grip size over the past 5 years. I've tried undersized, no taper, reverse taper, jumbo reverse taper (Enlow) as well as the JumboMax Wrap and the JumboMax JMX Ultralight.
My thinking is that a lot of comes down to grip size, grip weight, hand size and hand/wrist strength. Furthermore, I believe it depends on what club the player is using. A player hitting a driver is going to apply much more force to the handle, particularly at the top of the swing, than they would with a 9-iron.
I've seen Michael Neff from GEARS show a reduced rate of closure with the JumboMax grips. I think there's some positives from that, but with the heavier JumboMax grips I've seen a lot of players struggle with the high, push miss. The lighter JumboMax grips can get the ball flight more towards the target. My problem with them is that they still launch high. But with a driver, it's probably a very good grip to have because of the size. If you can find a light enough weight, then you have something.
I believe Bryson has had success with the JumboMax grips because he has very strong hands/wrists. But for the average golfer, I think the technology will eventually determine that it's a grip size and grip weight issue along with going from large to smaller grips as one goes from their lowest to highest lofted club.
great video as always. 10K subscribers coming soon. When the weather improves we would love to see you guys on the golf course
I use standard grips in all my irons - in my wedges standard +1 layer , and midsize in 3 wood and driver . For me it is perfect and comfortable - reasoning is the longer shafts in the driver/3 wood to seems harder to hold on to , and the wedges feel more comfortable a shade bigger
First video I’ve seen by you guys but interesting what was found. Was thinking about changing my grips before this but will definitely do my own little test before choosing a size now!
my club fitter told me the same thing, it' amazing that only a grip size or add just few layers can make a significant changement in your golf swing! And yes not a lot of golfer know that!
Great video guys, A lot of old pro ''fitters'' go by glove size = grip size... which has always been wrong for me, I have large hands but like an extremely tight glove so always wear a size smaller. So bad ''fittings'' always put me onto medium grips [which can spin in my hands and give me blisters]. Until I got fitted properly and they measured my mitts and put me in a midsize.. it took me a while to adjust to them, similar results to your video, my normal fade started to turn into pushes [I'm R/H]... but I stuck in there and adjusted to it. Like you say it's a timing thing. For me It's so much more comfortable using the midsize and worth the extra range hours. BTW I play the Srixon 765/965 combo, 0.50 inch longer in project x LZ 6.0 and wouldn't have a clue what the swing weight is??.. They feel great, but wondering after seeing this if that half inch is helping with the extra grip weight?? [which are Lamkin utx midsize] - Thanks
Thanks for you sharing your experience! And yes that extra length may be balancing the extra weight from the midsize grip.
Nice job with this grip review guys. Love it. I have regular size hands but prefer mid size grips. They feel better.
1 thing I’ve noticed is depending on the grip size, interlock or overlap might feel more comfortable
Very interesting points on grip sizing.
My dad regripped my old clubs at some point and put a slightly thicker golf pride on there compared to my other grips so now my two wedges have a slightly thicker grip - absolutely love them. Thinking about regripping all clubs to get the same consistent grip feeling with every club. Dunno if its worth spending $100+ to regrip clubs or if i should just get new or new to me clubs and regrip them if i need it.
Worth $100 if it improves your feel and confidence that much!
Approximately how heavy is a layer of tape and how many layers might be required to bulk up a standard grip to a midsize diameter?
Consequently, is tape a better solution if the player wants to minimise the change in swing weight when increasing grip diameter?
Lastly, is the efficacy and durability of the grip affected by stretching it over multiple layers of tape?
Cheers guys.
Keep up the great work!
We'll try to do a detailed series on club building in the future!
I suspect adding tape to build up a standard grip to the same diameter as a midsize grip would add more weight than just replacing the grip. The tape is more dense than the foam like material of the grip (although tape can be made from foam like material too--although that would make it thicker), and weighs more for the same thickness. Tape is probably more useful for increasing the diameter in smaller increments than a full size increase. The solution is to add weight to the club head end to return the club to the same balance (but adds even more weight to the club overall, which could be partially offset with a lighter shaft, and so on). Looking forward to the series on club building!
I think it’s 4 tapes to get to a mid
Could you revisit this video with the jumbo grip Bryson plays. It is the same weight as a standard grip and not 88 grams as this one in the video. Interested in seeing the ball flights compared.
I play reminder grips with 2 extra layers of tape always struggle when testing demo clubs which have thin round grips on them
I now have DeChambeaux's Massive Grips - really like them - seem to get a lot better connection. I have huge hands and they no longer ache which is great.
Extremely interesting and informative. Thanks for this great video!
these guys really do think about every aspect of what they are doing, no trite answers here, just facts and educated opinions based on evidence. integrity.
Great video as always. I didn’t think that grips would make that much of a difference, I suppose having ping clubs fitted for me the swing weight would of been adjusted for my midsize grips.
I notice that Matt's club is much closer to parallel in this video than it normally is. Any reason? Was he working on something? Thanks again, love these videos, I'm addicted.
Great video. I think swing weight is so over looked in most fittings, even with great fitters. Is there a guideline of the swing weight changes to expect with building up a grip? If the difference in a standard and a midsize grip is 8 grams (with that brand), what about an extra wrap or two on a standard grip? It’d be cool to see you guys talk about the differences in a .580 vs .600 grip on a standard Dynamic Gold type .600 butt shaft
Hand size falls inbetween Standard and Midsized. Having a shaft built up and will be trying a Midsize grip for the driver. Being winter, I can get on the sim and experiment with what works best. Will do a 7i as well to see if the 1 degree flat I normally use is no longer required, but if longer irons need to be 2 degrees up instead of the 1 degree I use now since the face would stay more open.
Like the video guys well done. Though I changed my driver grip to a midsize cp2 with 3 layers of tape and it was a game changer was hitting it straighter and further, and my dispersion was alot tighter. Not sure if the larger grip size was making me put my hands on the grip in a different position. Used to struggle to draw the ball now I can do it either way.
What would be the ideal grip size if I wear a men's M/L or a cadet L? I know its personal preference but Ive always been contemplating because I feel like I am right in the middle. Also, I feel like a golf pride tour velvet midsize feels slightly smaller compared to like a multi compound midsize
Icing on the cake, indeed. A fantastic fitting video as usual.
Would love to see the same test done with a higher handicaped player to see if it gives the same sort of results.
Great video. Keep it up.
Regards David
I've recently made the switch to midsize and I noticed my spin increased significantly, like James experienced