Correction on arcane downfall; it doesn’t grant you a guaranteed follow-up. It just denies the foe follow-up, so quite literally 99% of the time the foe will just double you anyways since half and even regular null follow-up is literally everywhere. Probably better to just run prima, as while you won’t get the healing and +1 cd per hit, the full tempo effect is very nice.
Just wanted to point it out before the video goes out to TH-cam at large: For Brave Veronica, you recommended Verge of Death as a possible A skill. Staff units cannot run Verge of Death, or Life and Death 4. I do think she would appreciate Atk/Spd Mastery, though, similarly to Brave Camilla. Fixed Canto (2) in the A slot is such a boon for Flying and Cav Staff units.
That’s a great catch. I have a blind spot for healer inheritables. They make no sense to me. What broken thing were they trying to prevent with a LnD restriction?
Seriously, why are they still one of the most skill restricted classes in the game? Infantry staffs at least have some ok skills to use, but cavs and especially fliers are incredibly limited for no reason (sorry armours, at least you have fighter skills?). I guess they value their universal firesweep quite a bit, even if ncd is almost a guarantee on most omni tanks.
@@Takumi_Did_Nothing_Wrong Andddd now I've been caught out for not looking closely enough at a skill's restrictions, too. You are correct; it's just fliers. So I guess if you're not going Res with Vero, her options are Catch 4, Unity, and Tier 4 Boost skills.
As someone with a plus ten brave eirika. yes she is still usable especially in arena despite the the trenches. She nukes so well and consistently procs heavy blade due to her stat swing her weapon refine does. A recommended teammate is brave robin due to the scowl effect which would help her survive a special that would normally pierce her damage reduction. Overall great yearly insight on the brave units. Feh years can be insane sometimes.
I really do like Brave Tiki’s refine because with it, she can safely fight against Emblem Ike since her scowl effect will make sure Great Aether won’t trigger
She was doing that before, she just needed to be a lot more careful with stats and support. Given enough turns I can beat Emblem Ike with a well-built Nagi; he REALLY hates scowl. The trick is beating him quickly enough to protect your other units, especially if he has Emblem Celica's ring.
39:31 the current ice banner has a great new C skill for Gullveig with Air Orders 4. You get the same stat bonus and warp-next-to-allies as Oath 4 plus charge which is great for getting around the gravity with her second action, it’s even better if you’re using other fliers since she gives it to them too.
I think the placements are okayish but a lot of the builds are redundant or just flat out don't work. EX: Stronghold Brave Hector when Maltet already cleanses penalties Marth Ring Escutcheon on Edelgard when her weapon already has slaying (switching to pavise fixes it instantly) No Quarter on Brave Robin when he already has full DR piercing in his weapon if the special is 3CD (switching to gust or bonfire fixes this as well) Laguz Friend+Gust on Brave Marth and Lucina when both of them have slaying in their weapons Creation Pulse+Requiem Dance on Brave Marianne when Creation Pulse requires the skill to trigger in combat for it to work I also feel like a couple of the armors at the bottom should've gotten shield fighter in their builds but only Edelgard and Corrin got them. Those were just a few but some of these builds just felt off and it makes me question their overall placements in your vid.
B!Tiki's weapon refine is stacked, but it unfortunately isn't really stacked with the necessary counters to the current Spd-meta with all its tank busters and speedy omni-tanks like B!Felix who just do what she does but better and then some.
Since we now live in a world of Celica Ring that means Gatekeeper will always have a use, with the potential of a bigger use depending on the meta so it's kinda like the base useage it just higher on average than it was pre-Celica.
Something worth noting about Bernie: she has a winnable matchup against the new Fjorm. Im pretty sure every other nuke needs triangle attack to even have a chance. She should be pretty reliable on defense against most FEH pass wallet warriors who wont SPD stack Fjorm
I want to just say, whether intentional or not, when choosing best friends for units, it always makes me happy when units thematically work together - such as how you put Embla with Veronica, and Ninian with Eliwood
Nice placement for the most part. Only change I would do here is Soren for S tier. He's so important now at making sure you have a Near Save available since melee nukes are extremely strong right now.
There are cases where I feel like a game mode specific tier list would be better. Soren is one of them. If you just consider SDS. He’s S+ tier. i haven’t looked this round. Has he been much of a factor in SDR?
@@FEH yeah there were a ton of Soren teams this SDR, mostly using Heidrun as the decoy near save. She's one of the few that can withstand at least 2 combats from Felix. I have been using the same strat for Chaos season as well.
At this point, I would not be opposed to some of the older units on this list getting a second refine pass. Better yet, perhaps somehow create a system where it's possible to add effects to older weapons - That would be a system that could really bring a lot of older units back.
Double scowling on Brave Tiki is something of a meme build IMHO. It won't do anything if the enemy is at 1 max cooldown, which is not at all uncommon. I run Fortifications; breaking 60 visible Res at max investment and throwing up stones if she catches someone on Player Phase, that makes her all the better. She really wants to be getting Guard somehow. Sacred Seal is a great option for that now that she has a DC weapon. I've also seen Hardy Bearing, since she hates desperation nukes, but I still say low cooldown brave attackers are more common.
Man I think these CYL refines just prove that 2 years is too long now to bring a unit back. Unless it's a unique unit like B!Chrom who can't really fall off from how his weapon works or Gatekeeper who has more of a use than ever with Celica now, a lot of these units just get slapped with like a 6 month bonus to their shelf life and nothing else. They should really just start remixing the PRF skills at this point, skills like New Divinity are straight up useless and others like Divine Pulse just aren't too great anymore. It'll never happen though, people have been asking for this for years anyways lol
AoE BGullveig was my go-to unit for ARO clears right up until a few months ago (when BoL4 came out). That almost immediately made it very hard (but not impossible) to kill Myrrh, even in 2 combats. Since then, she has virtually dropped off a cliff for me. She is still very useable, except that there is almost no scenario that I now choose to use over Felix. Putting her below Tiki is blasphemy though. Shame.
Here my take about the ranking of some characters there: - I think Brave Micaiah is better with Resonance and Flared/Remote ! I would had put her 1 tier higher imo ! - Brave Celica is also a pretty legit and strong Arcane Devourer tank, prolly the best one among the old sword unit. She no E tier for me, easily D or even C ! With flower, one of the best speed stat at base. - Brave Roy slept on as always ! He fall off recently indeed tho, but he was among the best Arcane Devourer Galeforce initiator among the cavs unit for some time ! - I would put B!Lysi higher too, she got some solid inherith recently as a nuke. Even if indeed Brave Bernie make more unit having her niche (despo)
Wait, doesn't Laguz Friend not work with Gust when the unit has slaying? You pair them together with a few units that have slaying in their recommended weapon.
Laguz Friend requires damage specials to be 3cd or higher. Gust works fine if the unit does not have slaying. However units with slaying make Gust a 2cd special so it doesn't work.
Bernie is my absolute favorite unit ever, and I'm hopeful that she will age like wine. Her biggest issue at the moment is BoL4 and other healing being so dominant in the meta. Want to run her with your normal defense team? Sorry, that BoL4 Gatekeeper/Nergal/Attuned Micaiah just took away all of Bernie's toys. As-is, you need to build a team with her in mind. I was a little surprised that you didn't mention Duo Nephenee as a potential ally; she gives out true damage to allies with less than full health, so her and Bernie's support together can be absolutely diabolical. I loved the video, these units are special to so much of the playerbase and it's a lot of fun to make them useable again. Cheers!
My +10 Gatekeeper carrying my ass since release. Warping has gotten out of control and even with the built-in pass in the new seasonal units, he's putting in work. Also, unlike Myrrh, I don't have to wait one turn for the anti-warp effect to kick in. It's built in passively to his B skill so it can't be removed or stolen 😊
Hi! I just have a question? You mentioned in the Shez vid how AoEs have fallen off, I don't know why you brought up AoEs for units like Seliph then? Do they manage to make AoEs work after all? Thank you!
Love the tier list! Gives me ideas for some of my own units. Question as well. If you summon an emblem unit and for whatever reason that emblem unit is no longer in your barracks due to merging or fodder etc. Do you still keep the emblem ring? Or does that vanish when you lose the emblem hero?
Really saddens me seeing my old B!Ike and B!Lucina sitting on my barracks being nothing but collector's edition like units. B!Ike really felt like prototype E!Ike.
Just foddered a Nephenee to My Brave Byleth, was a hard choice resonance and mastery or crux!?!?! I chose mastery, kinda regret it, I think Crux would be a good too
Loved the Galeforce B!(M)Robin build. I actually hope IS just loose his conditions for the offensive tempo. His warping is already a good ability for him following up on GF setups. Him being locked to the melee nuke archetype is overall bad for him.
The only condition for the tempo in his weapon is 25% HP which is lenient enough imo. The damage reduction piercing and hexblade effects are what rely on his special choice.
Been using her at +10 with LF4+Glacies too and she's pretty strong. She's in a lucky position right now where her weakness went from NFU + percent based DR to units with killing power with NFU + unpierceable special based DR. A lot of her old bad matchups are easily won now since her retaliation with Glacies is just so strong with her really high attack and res stats. There aren't too many units like Felix right now who have unpierceable DR and the killing power to still win, others like E!Ike notably lose against her despite having way more DR and color advantage
nah considering how obnoxious Brave Lynn used to be, I'm happy she's gone. Felix w/ Emblem Celica has taken her place and is infinitely worse to play against, but something about Lynn (maybe it's the endless alts back in the day) makes me despise her
BByleth already on C tier with her refine days fresh is oof, she was truly the worst cyl6 unit pre-refine and post refine. Pretty safe tier list overall, I do agree with the placements for the most part
Honestly she wasn't terrible when she came out but she was definitely still outclassed by actual far save armors, spd preempt just isn't really a great skill in the first place especially when her speed is pretty low and she fell off really fast. I will say she is actually an okay unit now, def the worst of the batch but overall if she's +10 she'll be fine. The whole vantage thing is basically doomed though, considering her entire refine doesn't really do anything for vantage either IS probably knew it too lol I think the problem is really just cyl refines in general, 2 years is too long to make these units amazing again unless they did something unique like B!Chrom or Gatekeeper do right now, otherwise it just ends up being an extension on their shelf life. They should really just get remix's on their PRF skills at this point, stuff like New Divinity and Divine Pulse are just not great anymore
@Mark-xk3hh CYL4 refines where the last truly meta breaking ones, even CYL5 refines where better because you can clearly see the care they put on Marianne, but not this time nope, cyl6 have to be the most boring set of braves refines ever, most fehtubers say: "yep Chrom definitively got the Brave Edelgard tier refine treatment" a statement that got me scratching my head while I say to myself: "but aren't all of these BEdelgard tier refines? what are they talking about?" Because that's how they feel. Why not put bulwark on Tiki? That would give her a niche alongside the build they're pushing on her of High Dragon Wall. Since BByleth is all about specials, why don't you give that support to allies? A -2 cooldown at the start of the turn in a drive would make Byleth have a purpose other than an okaish nuke, but oh well, IS being cheap as always.
@@Exiled28Yeah pretty much. The amount of effects these units need to really compete are just way too many, more than IS would ever be generous enough to give out. Of course sometimes we get standouts like Marianne or Dimitri, but IS has been really tame (and kinda just bad) with refines as of late. Byleth could've easily gotten NCD or actual vantage in her weapon or desperation or just anything. Same for Tiki, they overvalued DC too much and didn't give stuff like -2 scowl or just scowl on every hit, or even like the Frozen effect to help her NFU matchups. Just all around lame in general, I doubt the CYL7 refines next year will be much better tbh. Like for example just look at B!Corrin, she 100% has no hope of coming close to the Duo Fjorm we just got, even with Shield Fighter she's barely coming close to her.... and there's still a full year to go of new heroes before she gets a refine.
@Mark-xk3hh BTiki legitimately got a reverse DC refine imo, it's like they cursed her on purpose, giving her DC on her refine JUST to give her a mediocre one like most DC refines are lol, yeah Frozen would've been pretty cool(no pun intended) tho, 100% DR piercing per hit would've been pretty nice too, to differentiate her from the rest of the refine batch. Hopefully, they learned something out of these tame refines and save Corrin and MRobin from mediocrity next year, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
people say seliph was good but i think he never was really good good even when he doubles. he simply does to little damage which is crazy with how he does damage based on enemies stats but even back when he came out i could just put a near save unit there and he is incapable of doing anything
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Correction on arcane downfall; it doesn’t grant you a guaranteed follow-up. It just denies the foe follow-up, so quite literally 99% of the time the foe will just double you anyways since half and even regular null follow-up is literally everywhere. Probably better to just run prima, as while you won’t get the healing and +1 cd per hit, the full tempo effect is very nice.
He made the same mistake with New Divinity. New Divinity is follow-up denial; Brave Tiki's guaranteed follow-up comes from her weapon.
Just wanted to point it out before the video goes out to TH-cam at large: For Brave Veronica, you recommended Verge of Death as a possible A skill. Staff units cannot run Verge of Death, or Life and Death 4. I do think she would appreciate Atk/Spd Mastery, though, similarly to Brave Camilla. Fixed Canto (2) in the A slot is such a boon for Flying and Cav Staff units.
That’s a great catch. I have a blind spot for healer inheritables. They make no sense to me. What broken thing were they trying to prevent with a LnD restriction?
Seriously, why are they still one of the most skill restricted classes in the game? Infantry staffs at least have some ok skills to use, but cavs and especially fliers are incredibly limited for no reason (sorry armours, at least you have fighter skills?). I guess they value their universal firesweep quite a bit, even if ncd is almost a guarantee on most omni tanks.
@@FEH the same broken things they were trying to Prevent by not allowing healers to learn Fierce Stance 3, probably
I thought Atk/Spd Mastery was restricted to fliers.
@@Takumi_Did_Nothing_Wrong Andddd now I've been caught out for not looking closely enough at a skill's restrictions, too. You are correct; it's just fliers. So I guess if you're not going Res with Vero, her options are Catch 4, Unity, and Tier 4 Boost skills.
As someone with a plus ten brave eirika. yes she is still usable especially in arena despite the the trenches. She nukes so well and consistently procs heavy blade due to her stat swing her weapon refine does. A recommended teammate is brave robin due to the scowl effect which would help her survive a special that would normally pierce her damage reduction. Overall great yearly insight on the brave units.
Feh years can be insane sometimes.
I really do like Brave Tiki’s refine because with it, she can safely fight against Emblem Ike since her scowl effect will make sure Great Aether won’t trigger
She was doing that before, she just needed to be a lot more careful with stats and support. Given enough turns I can beat Emblem Ike with a well-built Nagi; he REALLY hates scowl.
The trick is beating him quickly enough to protect your other units, especially if he has Emblem Celica's ring.
39:31 the current ice banner has a great new C skill for Gullveig with Air Orders 4. You get the same stat bonus and warp-next-to-allies as Oath 4 plus charge which is great for getting around the gravity with her second action, it’s even better if you’re using other fliers since she gives it to them too.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I think the placements are okayish but a lot of the builds are redundant or just flat out don't work.
EX:
Stronghold Brave Hector when Maltet already cleanses penalties
Marth Ring Escutcheon on Edelgard when her weapon already has slaying (switching to pavise fixes it instantly)
No Quarter on Brave Robin when he already has full DR piercing in his weapon if the special is 3CD (switching to gust or bonfire fixes this as well)
Laguz Friend+Gust on Brave Marth and Lucina when both of them have slaying in their weapons
Creation Pulse+Requiem Dance on Brave Marianne when Creation Pulse requires the skill to trigger in combat for it to work
I also feel like a couple of the armors at the bottom should've gotten shield fighter in their builds but only Edelgard and Corrin got them. Those were just a few but some of these builds just felt off and it makes me question their overall placements in your vid.
B!Tiki's weapon refine is stacked, but it unfortunately isn't really stacked with the necessary counters to the current Spd-meta with all its tank busters and speedy omni-tanks like B!Felix who just do what she does but better and then some.
If I'm being honest, her being able to defeat W!Edelgard with Celica's warping already gives her more than enough utility seeing how common she is.
Since we now live in a world of Celica Ring that means Gatekeeper will always have a use, with the potential of a bigger use depending on the meta so it's kinda like the base useage it just higher on average than it was pre-Celica.
32:39 why would you run No Quarter when B!M!Robin already neutralizes damage reduction?
Hey, you just had some slip ups pairing Gust with Laguz friend.
Imo one of the best B slots for B Marth is potent if you can get piercing support.
Hah!! I can’t believe I did that. I literally corrected someone on that last week.
20:10 IS GIVE US A GOOD RANGED FLIER B SKILL 🙏
Someday!!!!
Something worth noting about Bernie: she has a winnable matchup against the new Fjorm. Im pretty sure every other nuke needs triangle attack to even have a chance. She should be pretty reliable on defense against most FEH pass wallet warriors who wont SPD stack Fjorm
Im so glad I saved up orbs for a year to get !BChrom to 10+. He is my only premium +10, and he has stayed relevant since release.
I want to just say, whether intentional or not, when choosing best friends for units, it always makes me happy when units thematically work together - such as how you put Embla with Veronica, and Ninian with Eliwood
Nice placement for the most part. Only change I would do here is Soren for S tier. He's so important now at making sure you have a Near Save available since melee nukes are extremely strong right now.
There are cases where I feel like a game mode specific tier list would be better. Soren is one of them. If you just consider SDS. He’s S+ tier. i haven’t looked this round. Has he been much of a factor in SDR?
@@FEH yeah there were a ton of Soren teams this SDR, mostly using Heidrun as the decoy near save. She's one of the few that can withstand at least 2 combats from Felix. I have been using the same strat for Chaos season as well.
favorite brave refine of all time? Celica and it isn’t even close 😎
At this point, I would not be opposed to some of the older units on this list getting a second refine pass. Better yet, perhaps somehow create a system where it's possible to add effects to older weapons - That would be a system that could really bring a lot of older units back.
Double scowling on Brave Tiki is something of a meme build IMHO. It won't do anything if the enemy is at 1 max cooldown, which is not at all uncommon. I run Fortifications; breaking 60 visible Res at max investment and throwing up stones if she catches someone on Player Phase, that makes her all the better.
She really wants to be getting Guard somehow. Sacred Seal is a great option for that now that she has a DC weapon. I've also seen Hardy Bearing, since she hates desperation nukes, but I still say low cooldown brave attackers are more common.
35:45 Oh I'm more than happy with her 😁
it always triggers me seeing people still try to build Dimitri for speed.
He's always on one of my teams and a bulk set with aegis/tp4 is the way.
Man I think these CYL refines just prove that 2 years is too long now to bring a unit back. Unless it's a unique unit like B!Chrom who can't really fall off from how his weapon works or Gatekeeper who has more of a use than ever with Celica now, a lot of these units just get slapped with like a 6 month bonus to their shelf life and nothing else. They should really just start remixing the PRF skills at this point, skills like New Divinity are straight up useless and others like Divine Pulse just aren't too great anymore. It'll never happen though, people have been asking for this for years anyways lol
Alf top 4 love to see it. Loved the Yune cameo on scendscale as well.
Perfect timing. I was having doubts about felix's shelf life so i stopped at 5. But with this vod, Imma +10 him now🤣.
AoE BGullveig was my go-to unit for ARO clears right up until a few months ago (when BoL4 came out). That almost immediately made it very hard (but not impossible) to kill Myrrh, even in 2 combats. Since then, she has virtually dropped off a cliff for me. She is still very useable, except that there is almost no scenario that I now choose to use over Felix.
Putting her below Tiki is blasphemy though. Shame.
Here my take about the ranking of some characters there:
- I think Brave Micaiah is better with Resonance and Flared/Remote ! I would had put her 1 tier higher imo !
- Brave Celica is also a pretty legit and strong Arcane Devourer tank, prolly the best one among the old sword unit. She no E tier for me, easily D or even C ! With flower, one of the best speed stat at base.
- Brave Roy slept on as always ! He fall off recently indeed tho, but he was among the best Arcane Devourer Galeforce initiator among the cavs unit for some time !
- I would put B!Lysi higher too, she got some solid inherith recently as a nuke. Even if indeed Brave Bernie make more unit having her niche (despo)
Wait, doesn't Laguz Friend not work with Gust when the unit has slaying? You pair them together with a few units that have slaying in their recommended weapon.
Yeah, i dunno whats up with that.
Laguz Friend requires damage specials to be 3cd or higher. Gust works fine if the unit does not have slaying. However units with slaying make Gust a 2cd special so it doesn't work.
It should be Godlike Reflexes instead probably since it does work with LF
Bernie is my absolute favorite unit ever, and I'm hopeful that she will age like wine. Her biggest issue at the moment is BoL4 and other healing being so dominant in the meta. Want to run her with your normal defense team? Sorry, that BoL4 Gatekeeper/Nergal/Attuned Micaiah just took away all of Bernie's toys. As-is, you need to build a team with her in mind. I was a little surprised that you didn't mention Duo Nephenee as a potential ally; she gives out true damage to allies with less than full health, so her and Bernie's support together can be absolutely diabolical. I loved the video, these units are special to so much of the playerbase and it's a lot of fun to make them useable again. Cheers!
My +10 Gatekeeper carrying my ass since release.
Warping has gotten out of control and even with the built-in pass in the new seasonal units, he's putting in work.
Also, unlike Myrrh, I don't have to wait one turn for the anti-warp effect to kick in. It's built in passively to his B skill so it can't be removed or stolen 😊
Hi! I just have a question? You mentioned in the Shez vid how AoEs have fallen off, I don't know why you brought up AoEs for units like Seliph then? Do they manage to make AoEs work after all? Thank you!
Love the tier list! Gives me ideas for some of my own units. Question as well. If you summon an emblem unit and for whatever reason that emblem unit is no longer in your barracks due to merging or fodder etc. Do you still keep the emblem ring? Or does that vanish when you lose the emblem hero?
It goes away until you summon that emblem hero again. No way to keep it even if you lock teams
Near Save brave Hector sounds amazing. Mine is +7 so I'm gonna try it
Really saddens me seeing my old B!Ike and B!Lucina sitting on my barracks being nothing but collector's edition like units.
B!Ike really felt like prototype E!Ike.
Just foddered a Nephenee to My Brave Byleth, was a hard choice resonance and mastery or crux!?!?! I chose mastery, kinda regret it, I think Crux would be a good too
Loved the Galeforce B!(M)Robin build. I actually hope IS just loose his conditions for the offensive tempo. His warping is already a good ability for him following up on GF setups. Him being locked to the melee nuke archetype is overall bad for him.
The only condition for the tempo in his weapon is 25% HP which is lenient enough imo. The damage reduction piercing and hexblade effects are what rely on his special choice.
I personally use Magic Null Follow-up on Lysithea because her weapon has no NFU.
Watching both tier lists at the same time
Noice this time with "best build", well done. I really don't want to know how long it take.
Felix lysithea are my favorite cyl units I need to upgrade lysithea she is still running mag nfu 😳, I really enjoyed this tier list 😊.
Of course you Put B!Marth in C tier 😒
57:28 why Heidrun? She seems counter intuitive to Bernie's HP condition
Bector is Fantastic with Shield Fighter
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You gotta love a redemption story. They ignored him for so long.
@FEH now its Sylvain turn
I think the best brave unit of all time is refined B!Hector and it's not close besides maybe B!Dimitri.
My brave Tiki is maxed out with laguz friend and for a few exceptions (Felix) nothing can kill her
Been using her at +10 with LF4+Glacies too and she's pretty strong. She's in a lucky position right now where her weakness went from NFU + percent based DR to units with killing power with NFU + unpierceable special based DR. A lot of her old bad matchups are easily won now since her retaliation with Glacies is just so strong with her really high attack and res stats. There aren't too many units like Felix right now who have unpierceable DR and the killing power to still win, others like E!Ike notably lose against her despite having way more DR and color advantage
I swear if chroms not at the top...haha and im curious about the build you have for him haha as ive been doing testing
nah considering how obnoxious Brave Lynn used to be, I'm happy she's gone. Felix w/ Emblem Celica has taken her place and is infinitely worse to play against, but something about Lynn (maybe it's the endless alts back in the day) makes me despise her
BByleth already on C tier with her refine days fresh is oof, she was truly the worst cyl6 unit pre-refine and post refine.
Pretty safe tier list overall, I do agree with the placements for the most part
Honestly she wasn't terrible when she came out but she was definitely still outclassed by actual far save armors, spd preempt just isn't really a great skill in the first place especially when her speed is pretty low and she fell off really fast. I will say she is actually an okay unit now, def the worst of the batch but overall if she's +10 she'll be fine. The whole vantage thing is basically doomed though, considering her entire refine doesn't really do anything for vantage either IS probably knew it too lol
I think the problem is really just cyl refines in general, 2 years is too long to make these units amazing again unless they did something unique like B!Chrom or Gatekeeper do right now, otherwise it just ends up being an extension on their shelf life. They should really just get remix's on their PRF skills at this point, stuff like New Divinity and Divine Pulse are just not great anymore
@Mark-xk3hh CYL4 refines where the last truly meta breaking ones, even CYL5 refines where better because you can clearly see the care they put on Marianne, but not this time nope, cyl6 have to be the most boring set of braves refines ever, most fehtubers say: "yep Chrom definitively got the Brave Edelgard tier refine treatment" a statement that got me scratching my head while I say to myself: "but aren't all of these BEdelgard tier refines? what are they talking about?" Because that's how they feel.
Why not put bulwark on Tiki? That would give her a niche alongside the build they're pushing on her of High Dragon Wall. Since BByleth is all about specials, why don't you give that support to allies? A -2 cooldown at the start of the turn in a drive would make Byleth have a purpose other than an okaish nuke, but oh well, IS being cheap as always.
@@Exiled28Yeah pretty much. The amount of effects these units need to really compete are just way too many, more than IS would ever be generous enough to give out. Of course sometimes we get standouts like Marianne or Dimitri, but IS has been really tame (and kinda just bad) with refines as of late. Byleth could've easily gotten NCD or actual vantage in her weapon or desperation or just anything. Same for Tiki, they overvalued DC too much and didn't give stuff like -2 scowl or just scowl on every hit, or even like the Frozen effect to help her NFU matchups. Just all around lame in general, I doubt the CYL7 refines next year will be much better tbh. Like for example just look at B!Corrin, she 100% has no hope of coming close to the Duo Fjorm we just got, even with Shield Fighter she's barely coming close to her.... and there's still a full year to go of new heroes before she gets a refine.
@Mark-xk3hh BTiki legitimately got a reverse DC refine imo, it's like they cursed her on purpose, giving her DC on her refine JUST to give her a mediocre one like most DC refines are lol, yeah Frozen would've been pretty cool(no pun intended) tho, 100% DR piercing per hit would've been pretty nice too, to differentiate her from the rest of the refine batch.
Hopefully, they learned something out of these tame refines and save Corrin and MRobin from mediocrity next year, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Brother rally spectrum has never worked with galeforce
Felix is amazing but Ive had to switch him out to give others some play time. Lol
So laguz friend is pretty much the best skill in the game now
people say seliph was good but i think he never was really good good even when he doubles. he simply does to little damage which is crazy with how he does damage based on enemies stats but even back when he came out i could just put a near save unit there and he is incapable of doing anything
I mean stall and gravity effect kinda destroy him (and remember we got mythic Loki that inflicts gravity)
So Gatekeeper is anti warp meta. So is there a modern Build for him?
Ahh I see Nvm I saw your build later in the Video. Thanks.
you're so cute
I agree with most parts but BChrom S tier..? eh