You don't need to manually map all the individual CC channels in that way, you can just click the "setup" button Sub37 Editor plugin and then set the "MIDI INPUT" and "MIDI OUTPUT' to be the Moog Sub37, then everything is automatically synced between the editor and the hardware :) So you load a patch in the editor, it will load in the hardware and vice versa or you turn the cutoff on the hardware, it will turn the software cutoff etc.
can you explain this a little further? im having issues setting up the whole thing as i don't want to map all CC channels manually... What you just said is exactly what i need. In Logic its like plug and play with da normal midi channel but in Ableton it seems a bit of a struggle for me tbh. My current setup: I have Ableton Live 9.7.5 on OS X High Sierra. Moog Sub37 right next to me connected via USB Komplete Kontrol MKII S49 also connected via USB. UA Apollo Twin Duo MKII Interface. (Line connection between Moog and Input 1 of the Apollo) I'm getting sound. Thats good. The Moog internal Arp/Sequencer is synced to my project tempo via MIDI Clock. Works also. When i load a sequence preset on the Moog and press one key the Sequence plays. When i press the same key on my Komplete kontrol only the first note of the Moog Seq plays. I think this is because it gets and sends midi through the same channel right? When i create a long midi note (e.g. F#) in Ableton which should have the same effect of me pressing and holding F# on the Moog only the first note of the sequence plays again. I think i messed up the whole midi mapping thing or configured it the wrong way. Further in Logic i was able to create a new midi pattern and the moog played it. When i recorded and touched one knob on the moog the automation in Logic automatically recognized which CC Channel i touched. Thats what you said is possible in Ableton tho. When i create a midi pattern in Ableton my moog plays it except for sequences. When i record and change the cutoff e.g. on the moog nothing happens. What i want: I want to create midi files in Ableton and let the moog play them correctly. I want the ability to use my komplete kontrol keyboard also instead of turning around and playing on the moog. (This works in logic automatically) I want to hit the record button, touch some knobs on my moog and Ableton should recognize which CC Channel im currently using so that im able to work on that automations in Ableton. Sorry for that long text here tho but i couldn't find anything anywhere in the web so you're like my last hope hahah. Thanks in advance dude.
I Figured a way the automations work without mapping by creating a midi channel only and setting the input to Moog Sub37 All Channels and the Output to Moog Sub37 Ch.1 which is the one im sending it out on. Now i can hear all sequences and stuff and the automations i make on the moog are listed in the midi envelope in Ableton. The only thing thats not working now is that i can use my Komplete Kontrol keyboard to play the moog.
But does Ableton record knob twists while you play as automation that you can see & tweak later? Sub 37 and the Editor do work well together out of the box but for full recording/editing power in a project you'd need the DAW to integrate tightly with that.
you can also synch the editor with the moog as you've done by making the midi settings and then add the automatable parameters through the configure button. Also, automation of this kind is more interesting in the arrangement as CC's can always be automated in clip, you don't need the VST for that.
Another satisfied customer.... Thanks! It's great when people take the trouble to post tutorials. Curiously I had more hassle installing the MIDI driver : don't forget to unplug and plug back in during installation
man please continue with ableton tips and tricks, i just got ableton and the moog sub 37 and this was what i needed to learn. i also have to set op the prophet 12, i asume it is works the same way. thanx a million.
great and your most welcome if you have a particular question just ask and i will time permitting create a tutorial. I dont have the prophet but yes workflow is the same. The key in these external synths is to create an ableton external instrument and then you can just drop the ext inst on the track with all ins and outs and midi already made.
Hi Peter. Thanks again. I do have Abelton and yes with your tutorial it will work, however I mainly use LogicX as my DAW and did not really succeed. I wanted exactly the same in LogicX as you had with Abelton. Cheers
Let's say you wanted to use multiple presets of the moog with one song. How would you set up your routing? Send to an audio channel? Freeze flatten. What is the fastest best way when producing?
It's a matter of choice, I personally would setup the Sub 37 as an external instrument and set the preset then record, then change the preset and do the next section. I wouldn't but you could try to continually record and send a program change message to the sub 37 but that will then depend on the specs of your pc and however your midi is setup. I have steered away from my DAW's and doing much more in standalone mode with MPC live, Octatrack and synths. Nevertheless everything youve said is valid too.
This was a great tutorial, but the only problem i have is that there is always sound coming in from the moog even when i ahve everything turned on mute/off. Why is this?
To clarify, it IS automating the Sub 37 itself, correct? Still recording and generating sounds via my analog synthesizer? I am now able to digitally automate my analog hardware via this editor, right?
Hello! Thanks for the inspiring video. Firstly I saved this as an External Instrument but each time I loaded the SUB 37 I didn't get the editor with the External Instrument? After a little fiddling I realized I could save the whole package when Group them as an instrument rack. :)
so you got it sorted yes? thanks for the kind comments and for passing by. If you get any problems pm me. We might be crossing time zones too hence the delayed reply.
i am sorry, if this is a noob question, but i am new to analog synthesis. i am very interested in the sub(sequent)37 tho. so, the Filter and every other knob n the hardwar are analog. the analog filter on the hardware is being moved by an automation in the software? or does the editor plugin emulate the hardware filter.? i mean: the hardware filter doesnt move, because its not motorized...so, how does it actually move?
Hi Peter, Thank You for the wonderful tutorial. Saved me lots of time. :) Had some problems actually afterwards. I mapped a M4L MIDI LFO to the filter knob of the Sub 37 to do automated oscillations and ableton just became so buggy. The view would jump from any channel to the sub 37 channel by itself. Any thought on thats? Thanks
Hi. Yes that what i was trying. I dont know what it was, happened a couple of times, now it works fine. Must have had some problems with the moog editor, i installed again now it works fine. :) Thank you! Kind regards
I assumed with software editors you didn't really need to map the cc controls as the editor would do it. Can't you just hit record and tweak away and all the midi data just gets recorded without assigning anything? Is there a better way of recording automation so when it loops, it doesn't overwrite what you just automated?
Indeed you can do it the way you suggest but its not ideal, the software engineers at Moog recommend doing the mapping so that the data corresponds to the parameter being automated.
I thought that was part of the point of the vst - to give you named automation. Is the big lag in response and when your mouse goes crazy down to your video capture software?
It works that way too. You don't need to map, but the way it is set up in the video the problem is the plugin doesn't get the data from the HW, because the HW needs a couple of MIDI ports for proper connectivity and they are being used by the external instrument. So the best way to do it is to have the moog connected through normal midi cables and the USB MIDI.
Thanks for the great video ! One recurring question I can't find the answer to is this: in case of multitracking, is there a way to have one sound preset per track ? It seems we can only open the editor once at a time for a whole session so every track has the same setting, whereas I would like to have a bass setting on track 1, a lead on track 2, etc., so one Moog setting per track. Any idea ? Thanks !
Plassou It is not a multi timbral synth, meaning it can only play one sound at a time. In order to do what you want, you would have to create a sound on one track, record it as Audio, and continue on that process
The Moog Sub37 editor does not map all CC midi. depending on which preset is running will map only some midi parameters. even if I add new midi in the midid mapping editor, I cannot have ableton recognise the new midi parameter with the configure button. Anyone with the same issue that can help me?
Great video. I am able to configure each knob with the software. When I'm done editing, and I try turning any knob, all knobs assigned adjust equally instead of just the one. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Im having a problem getting ableton to pick up the cc within the midi mapping window? I own a Sub Phatty rather than a 37. I have got the editor and the Sub itself talking to each other so when I move the editor cutoff it is being affected and if I move the hardware cutoff the editor is moving. In your window the filter cc is 19, mine does not appear at all. Great video, Any help would be much appreciated.
Hello !! the mapping midi of the synth editor is not automatic with the sub37 after the installation !!!!!!!??? you mapping all knobs of your sub !? thanks ;)
Its not a impossible works...but I think !! moog creat synth editor and you (and all) mapping your synth...... I think its impossible ^^ and stupid ^ but I dont no ? please help me ;) I buy a sub37 really soon I am looking that up. (Sorry for my English i'm French )
You worry, no need to. the editor lanes you want to 'automate in a envelope' do need to be mapped but its not a big task. buy your sub 37 you will enjoy it.
In live there is a hidden feature PluginAutoPopulateThreshold, that will automatically populate all the mappable parameters in the 3rd party plugin. Midi and audio record perfectly and are in sync and can be recorded at the same time. Cheers
This is pointless, totally agree with you @Marlix Basicneed, the editor is exactly for that, it must have all the assignments already done. In my case the sub37 isn't working properly since it doesn't pick up the lanes automaticly when touching a knob in the hardware, I need to click on the intended knob from the editor for Ableton to recognize it, I don't know why is happening, but nothing to do with manual MIDI assignments, actually, I also have the Minitaur and the editor doing that without any issue and without any assignment, like it is intended.
Hello, I tried this setup, I like some users have the issue where the MIDI I am playing is not coming back into Ableton. Im wired in via USB & line to a Scarlett 8i6 and the moog is on channel 5. Only sound is if I play the moog physically. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
hey man how do you know on what chanal moog is that you do on 1:30 of the video. bcs i got it playing when i press keys but my midi when i write it in ableton doesent play even it show that midi is working...and moog editor i installed is working and it moves when i turn knobs ,pls help
where you lost me was with the Audio From in the external instrument thing. none of the options seem to result in any sound except for 3 and 4 and they just take the audio coming from ableton and it turns into a terrible feedback loop. any idea where i went wrong?
I can't find the Sub 37 Editor or the USB driver you speak of as a download from the Moog website. All that is available to download is the Sub 37 Firmware, Manuals and Phatty Tuner - Alternate Scales Editor. I successfully managed to install the Firmware but the Editor does not come up in my Ableton Plugins. Nor am i getting any Audio from the Moog when playing. I do get a signal in the External instrument Gain bar. But not on the Channel it is set up on. I also have the Midi ports for the Sub 37 Input Track: On Sync: On and Remote: Off. Same applies for Sub 37 Output. Any help?
I have the same settings but for some reason I cant map my hardware knobs to ableton meaning that I can only automate the parameters inside of ableton and not using the hardwear knobs, any suggestions?
Hi! Thank you for a great video. Can you set up Ableton and the Moog Sub 37 so the Moog will receive a BPM from Ableton to use in for instance arpeggiator or step sequencer function?
Yes you can, it's very easy to do, just go into live preferences and pick the MIDI panel, you then have to select "track, sync and remote" on the MIDI input. The Moog will go into slave or Master clock, you also have to go into MIDI setup of the actual Moog hardware.
@Deanthemachine hi, well, first thing is to turn on the "sync" button on the arpeggiator, that will always keep the tempo in sync. (slave or master are used for: master tempo is a DAW software or hardware that controls the BMP of all devices and slave is a device of DAW software that follows the tempo, from a Master, that's very easy). With that being said, yes you can save the patches, patterns with dedicated LFO in sync and i totally understand what you have said, since in the beginning i have found myself in the same situation, trying to synch the LFO with the actual synth while playing. A Laptop would help a lot during a performance, because once you connect the Moog via USB and play the "sync" button on the arpeggiator, everything is set to clock in perfect timing.
@Deanthemachine if the tempo is coming from the master (laptop) and then you unplug the laptop, the Master tempo will come from the Moog so things could change, but yes, you can definitely make a patch and save it and tyou no need the laptop to do that, you can simply use the master tenpo from the Moog itself.
I followed your instructions to the letter and everything was perfect. Loved it!!! However.. I'm now turning my project back on after playing with it previously and I keep getting a message when I open the software editor which says "The Editor cannot connect to the hardware. Please connect your Sub 37 and set MIDI In and Out on Setup page." I've tried to restart Ableton but I have no luck. I've tried to disconnect the usb and reconnect... No joy!!! I've tried to reinstall the 1.2.0 update... No joy!!! Any way you can help would be so much appreciated.
Assuming your in windows(i dont have a mac..sorry) you could uninstall the moog usb driver. so disconnect the moog, then uninstall then reinstall then plug in the moog. you might try using a different usb port too also avoid usb hub use. you might find that on your pc motherboard you have spare usb ports if you are short.
thanks very much for the reply!! I am in windows and have done so. the midi input and output are both set to sub 37 on the software editor and i don't seem to have any issues with it so far. thank you!!!
That's it I'm afraid apart from my Korg X5D. I love it, but my set up is mostly soft synths including Sylenth 1.3, Hive, Serum, Massive, Zebra 2 etc.. The difference is huge with regards to raw power though so I'm thinking of investing in another... Something more polyphonic though next time around.
plenty to choose from novation released an 8 vouce desktop one yesterday and dave smith have the prophet 8 rev 2 although deepmind looks good.I got the roland fa06 now thats a real good polyphonic at amazing price because it can download the roland axial site sounds from the integra 7. so a great budget workstation. I have ableton push and maschine but working towards standalone to get away from the pc. youve at least got a real solid foundation with that Moog.
Hey FSS. Thanks for the great tutorial. Can I ask how you sync the tempo of the Sub37 using Ableton as an external midi clock (i.e. Sub37 in slave mode & Ableton as master). It should be possible to add an audio track to Ableton & record a mono audio channel while the S37 is tempo locked to the track's bpm. This would be somewhat different to the configuration you've described in this tutorial. This would be especially useful since I have a lot of existing Ableton projects that I want to add S37 live audio (as opposed to using midi to add S37 input). The S37 manual doesn't say much about syncing the synth to external midi. Any tips...?
Ok open ableton and go to menu options and then to preferences and choose link midi tab. I dont know what midi interface you have or if your using sub 37 usb but select sync for the sub 37 and turn it on. itll go yellow to indicate selection. then press sync button in arpeggiator section of the sub 37 then it will sync to the Sub 37. any problems just ask. Any midi track can then be set to the sub 37 in ableton and match the midi channel to that of the sub 37. Look at creating an external instrument in ableton so you only need to setup once.
Hi thanks for the video! Having a slight issue... I have my Sub37 synced with Ableton and can hear the notes when i play on the Moog's keyboard, but i can't hear the Moog when i insert notes into a midi clip on Ableton. Do you know what i need to do? Thanks :)
+matillathebunwhere you enter the midi notes you will see the piano roll in that section is a little circle click that and itll change colour and you will hear the notes.
Hi I installed the editor and my firmware is already updated but when I drag my external instrument into a midi channel and I try to select Moog Sub 37, i don't see my Moog sub 37 listed, any help on that?
it depends what you want to do, if you want to play and record the midi notes you played in your DAW like Ableton then yes, if you only want to send midi notes to the Moog from your DAW then you only need one.
what do your inputs and outputs look like in ableton settings? this is so frustraing i keep hearing notes but they are getting cut off i believe. I feel like i am unkowingly screwing everything up when i try to fix it. I do not understand channels at all but i set everything up just like you did in the video. Argh!
Im from EST time zone east coast USA> TBH i dont know how to send a message on youtube. My goal is to record audio from my sub 37 as well as send midi to it so it can play my created notes with its amazing sound. From there i would love to record what comes out. I routed everything and have the sub 37 set up as a midi instrument but i dont feel as if i have the entire process down. Thank you so much for this video and your continued help.
I used the external instrument look in ableton on the left side panel and drag the external instrument onto your midi track, then put the settings in ie the midi channel and the audio settings I assume youve an external sound device? which are you using?
The sub 37 is analogue signal path so what you hear is analogue. The plugin merely allows control of the digital features (the control) of the sub 37 parameters.
For Synth's Sake Great, I was looking for a synth with a built in audio interface so I can directly attach it to the laptop. But I noticed the sub 37 has a plug in feature and wondered it wasn't digital audio. Wonder though why they just didn't made it audio over usb. Would have been easier than building a plug in.
You need to put the editor plugin into your plug in folder. itll be a 32bit or 64 depending on your system The plug in is called sub 37 editor. then go to ableton choose options on menu then preferences. Choose the file folder tab and at the bottom is a plug in sources section click rescan and the plugin will be recognised. then go to the categories plug in section top left of ableton and you willl just above that see the search field type sub 37 and you should see the plug in under the name section. Just drag that onto your midi track. any problems just let me know.
my sub 37 folder contains a folder for the mac so it does exist, look in your folders for the sub 37 editor folder in there it has the osx version, i guess if you install that itll unzip the plug in. If I recall correctly insstall the standalone version into osx first then see if that unzips the plug ins.
You are doing it wrong, you don't need to do the mapping. The problem is that you are using the USB port for external instrument and the Plugin can't use it.
You are not understanding the problem. The plugin can communicate with the Sub37 directly, no need for mapping, using the USB MIDI of the SUb37. But the plugin can't use the USB MIDI if you are using it for sending data from the DAW. You need USB MIDI for the plugin and the normal MIDI port for the DAW. For the plugin to work perfectly it needs "exclusivity" to put it in some way,.
rodzeroher that may be the way you have yours configured but I don't believe that's necessary. Usb has *30* times more bandwidth than midi cables. Usb can send midi in + out + 3 clear channels of stereo audio on a virus TI. Point being Usb is capable of carrying 30 midi in/outs of it needed to. 1in + 1out should not be a problem. It shouldn't need exclusivity.
I was able to add the plugin and just set the midi input and output to be the Moog sub 37 (Usb cable only) and it seems to work fine. No mapping required.
For some reason Sub 37 doesn't always connect to my Moog which is super annoying. Sometimes I can control the cut off and sometimes it wont turn SMH! Please Help....
i have the external instrument set properly on a mac but still can't get ableton to play back midi through the sub 37. what am i doing wrong any help would be greatly appreciated.
You don't need to manually map all the individual CC channels in that way, you can just click the "setup" button Sub37 Editor plugin and then set the "MIDI INPUT" and "MIDI OUTPUT' to be the Moog Sub37, then everything is automatically synced between the editor and the hardware :) So you load a patch in the editor, it will load in the hardware and vice versa or you turn the cutoff on the hardware, it will turn the software cutoff etc.
can you explain this a little further? im having issues setting up the whole thing as i don't want to map all CC channels manually... What you just said is exactly what i need. In Logic its like plug and play with da normal midi channel but in Ableton it seems a bit of a struggle for me tbh.
My current setup: I have Ableton Live 9.7.5 on OS X High Sierra.
Moog Sub37 right next to me connected via USB
Komplete Kontrol MKII S49 also connected via USB.
UA Apollo Twin Duo MKII Interface. (Line connection between Moog and Input 1 of the Apollo)
I'm getting sound. Thats good.
The Moog internal Arp/Sequencer is synced to my project tempo via MIDI Clock. Works also.
When i load a sequence preset on the Moog and press one key the Sequence plays. When i press the same key on my Komplete kontrol only the first note of the Moog Seq plays. I think this is because it gets and sends midi through the same channel right?
When i create a long midi note (e.g. F#) in Ableton which should have the same effect of me pressing and holding F# on the Moog only the first note of the sequence plays again. I think i messed up the whole midi mapping thing or configured it the wrong way.
Further in Logic i was able to create a new midi pattern and the moog played it. When i recorded and touched one knob on the moog the automation in Logic automatically recognized which CC Channel i touched. Thats what you said is possible in Ableton tho.
When i create a midi pattern in Ableton my moog plays it except for sequences. When i record and change the cutoff e.g. on the moog nothing happens.
What i want:
I want to create midi files in Ableton and let the moog play them correctly.
I want the ability to use my komplete kontrol keyboard also instead of turning around and playing on the moog. (This works in logic automatically)
I want to hit the record button, touch some knobs on my moog and Ableton should recognize which CC Channel im currently using so that im able to work on that automations in Ableton.
Sorry for that long text here tho but i couldn't find anything anywhere in the web so you're like my last hope hahah.
Thanks in advance dude.
I Figured a way the automations work without mapping by creating a midi channel only and setting the input to Moog Sub37 All Channels and the Output to Moog Sub37 Ch.1 which is the one im sending it out on. Now i can hear all sequences and stuff and the automations i make on the moog are listed in the midi envelope in Ableton. The only thing thats not working now is that i can use my Komplete Kontrol keyboard to play the moog.
But does Ableton record knob twists while you play as automation that you can see & tweak later? Sub 37 and the Editor do work well together out of the box but for full recording/editing power in a project you'd need the DAW to integrate tightly with that.
you can also synch the editor with the moog as you've done by making the midi settings and then add the automatable parameters through the configure button. Also, automation of this kind is more interesting in the arrangement as CC's can always be automated in clip, you don't need the VST for that.
This just became the best synth ever
This synth will be a future classic
Another satisfied customer.... Thanks! It's great when people take the trouble to post tutorials. Curiously I had more hassle installing the MIDI driver : don't forget to unplug and plug back in during installation
glad you found it helpful and thank you for taking time to say so.
Found this while looking for how to set up my Sub Phatty and it worked exactly the same way, thank you!
great
man please continue with ableton tips and tricks, i just got ableton and the moog sub 37 and this was what i needed to learn. i also have to set op the prophet 12, i asume it is works the same way. thanx a million.
great and your most welcome if you have a particular question just ask and i will time permitting create a tutorial. I dont have the prophet but yes workflow is the same. The key in these external synths is to create an ableton external instrument and then you can just drop the ext inst on the track with all ins and outs and midi already made.
Sub 37 as a VST blows my MIND.
Indeed with the editor and plugin its just great all round.
Hi Peter. Thanks again. I do have Abelton and yes with your tutorial it will work, however I mainly use LogicX as my DAW and did not really succeed. I wanted exactly the same in LogicX as you had with Abelton. Cheers
thanks. as an owner of both, i'd already figured this out, but if you have any other sub37+live tricks, do share!
Awesome, thanks for this great explanation.
You are most welcome.
Great video, the explanation is quite clear . Thank you!
+Sabina Covarrubias your most welcome thx for taking time to say so.
VERY helpful tutorial. Many thanks.
Super, explanation is very good!
THank you for this video. Extremely Helpful!!
Your most welcome. Please try to get your musical friends to subscribe and watch, I am 230 subscribers short under the new youtube rules.
Great video, thanks
Let's say you wanted to use multiple presets of the moog with one song. How would you set up your routing? Send to an audio channel? Freeze flatten. What is the fastest best way when producing?
It's a matter of choice, I personally would setup the Sub 37 as an external instrument and set the preset then record, then change the preset and do the next section. I wouldn't but you could try to continually record and send a program change message to the sub 37 but that will then depend on the specs of your pc and however your midi is setup. I have steered away from my DAW's and doing much more in standalone mode with MPC live, Octatrack and synths. Nevertheless everything youve said is valid too.
This was a great tutorial, but the only problem i have is that there is always sound coming in from the moog even when i ahve everything turned on mute/off. Why is this?
To clarify, it IS automating the Sub 37 itself, correct? Still recording and generating sounds via my analog synthesizer? I am now able to digitally automate my analog hardware via this editor, right?
is the latency from your clip?
Thank you!
Hello! Thanks for the inspiring video. Firstly I saved this as an External Instrument but each time I loaded the SUB 37 I didn't get the editor with the External Instrument? After a little fiddling I realized I could save the whole package when Group them as an instrument rack. :)
so you got it sorted yes? thanks for the kind comments and for passing by. If you get any problems pm me. We might be crossing time zones too hence the delayed reply.
thank you mannnnn
i am sorry, if this is a noob question, but i am new to analog synthesis. i am very interested in the sub(sequent)37 tho. so, the Filter and every other knob n the hardwar are analog. the analog filter on the hardware is being moved by an automation in the software? or does the editor plugin emulate the hardware filter.? i mean: the hardware filter doesnt move, because its not motorized...so, how does it actually move?
Hi Peter, Thank You for the wonderful tutorial. Saved me lots of time. :) Had some problems actually afterwards. I mapped a M4L MIDI LFO to the filter knob of the Sub 37 to do automated oscillations and ableton just became so buggy. The view would jump from any channel to the sub 37 channel by itself. Any thought on thats? Thanks
Hi.
Yes that what i was trying. I dont know what it was, happened a couple of times, now it works fine. Must have had some problems with the moog editor, i installed again now it works fine. :) Thank you!
Kind regards
I assumed with software editors you didn't really need to map the cc controls as the editor would do it. Can't you just hit record and tweak away and all the midi data just gets recorded without assigning anything? Is there a better way of recording automation so when it loops, it doesn't overwrite what you just automated?
Indeed you can do it the way you suggest but its not ideal, the software engineers at Moog recommend doing the mapping so that the data corresponds to the parameter being automated.
I thought that was part of the point of the vst - to give you named automation. Is the big lag in response and when your mouse goes crazy down to your video capture software?
yes it was lag due to the cpu.
It works that way too. You don't need to map, but the way it is set up in the video the problem is the plugin doesn't get the data from the HW, because the HW needs a couple of MIDI ports for proper connectivity and they are being used by the external instrument. So the best way to do it is to have the moog connected through normal midi cables and the USB MIDI.
@rodzeroher no - that is just completely incorrect. USB can carry midi. You don't need to have both midi cables and USB plugged in.
Thanks for the great video ! One recurring question I can't find the answer to is this: in case of multitracking, is there a way to have one sound preset per track ? It seems we can only open the editor once at a time for a whole session so every track has the same setting, whereas I would like to have a bass setting on track 1, a lead on track 2, etc., so one Moog setting per track. Any idea ? Thanks !
Plassou It is not a multi timbral synth, meaning it can only play one sound at a time. In order to do what you want, you would have to create a sound on one track, record it as Audio, and continue on that process
Hi! It doesn’t let me drag the plugin along with the external inst. It replaces one with the other. Any suggestions?
Same here, did you ever figure this out? I'm on a Mac.
The Moog Sub37 editor does not map all CC midi. depending on which preset is running will map only some midi parameters. even if I add new midi in the midid mapping editor, I cannot have ableton recognise the new midi parameter with the configure button. Anyone with the same issue that can help me?
Great video. I am able to configure each knob with the software. When I'm done editing, and I try turning any knob, all knobs assigned adjust equally instead of just the one. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
impossible to say without seeing your setup so pm me and we can look at this. I will do my best to assist.
Im having a problem getting ableton to pick up the cc within the midi mapping window? I own a Sub Phatty rather than a 37. I have got the editor and the Sub itself talking to each other so when I move the editor cutoff it is being affected and if I move the hardware cutoff the editor is moving. In your window the filter cc is 19, mine does not appear at all. Great video, Any help would be much appreciated.
Hello !! the mapping midi of the synth editor is not automatic with the sub37 after the installation !!!!!!!??? you mapping all knobs of your sub !? thanks ;)
Its not a impossible works...but I think !! moog creat synth editor and you (and all) mapping your synth...... I think its impossible ^^ and stupid ^ but I dont no ? please help me ;) I buy a sub37 really soon I am looking that up. (Sorry for my English i'm French )
You worry, no need to. the editor lanes you want to 'automate in a envelope' do need to be mapped but its not a big task. buy your sub 37 you will enjoy it.
In live there is a hidden feature PluginAutoPopulateThreshold, that will automatically populate all the mappable parameters in the 3rd party plugin. Midi and audio record perfectly and are in sync and can be recorded at the same time. Cheers
This is pointless, totally agree with you @Marlix Basicneed, the editor is exactly for that, it must have all the assignments already done. In my case the sub37 isn't working properly since it doesn't pick up the lanes automaticly when touching a knob in the hardware, I need to click on the intended knob from the editor for Ableton to recognize it, I don't know why is happening, but nothing to do with manual MIDI assignments, actually, I also have the Minitaur and the editor doing that without any issue and without any assignment, like it is intended.
How solid and reliable is the editor with the DAW and the hardware? Does the hardware feel very integrated into your DAW?
Moog went to great efforts to give the synth hybridity and it integrates well, ive had no issues with it at all.
Hi. Peter, Can I use the same method for LogicX. I don't seem to get adequate results with Logic X. Thanks
Hello, I tried this setup, I like some users have the issue where the MIDI I am playing is not coming back into Ableton. Im wired in via USB & line to a Scarlett 8i6 and the moog is on channel 5. Only sound is if I play the moog physically. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
hey man how do you know on what chanal moog is that you do on 1:30 of the video. bcs i got it playing when i press keys but my midi when i write it in ableton doesent play even it show that midi is working...and moog editor i installed is working and it moves when i turn knobs ,pls help
where you lost me was with the Audio From in the external instrument thing. none of the options seem to result in any sound except for 3 and 4 and they just take the audio coming from ableton and it turns into a terrible feedback loop. any idea where i went wrong?
I can't find the Sub 37 Editor or the USB driver you speak of as a download from the Moog website. All that is available to download is the Sub 37 Firmware, Manuals and Phatty Tuner - Alternate Scales Editor. I successfully managed to install the Firmware but the Editor does not come up in my Ableton Plugins. Nor am i getting any Audio from the Moog when playing. I do get a signal in the External instrument Gain bar. But not on the Channel it is set up on. I also have the Midi ports for the Sub 37 Input Track: On Sync: On and Remote: Off. Same applies for Sub 37 Output. Any help?
its all bound into the file you download for the firmware update. as I recall win 10 doesnt need the usb driver
Nairo Music if you register your moog on the moog site than they will mail you the editor + the usb driver
the same thing happened to me and I cant solve this
On the moog website, there is a chat box on the top right corner, ask them about the editor they will send you a link right there..
I have the same settings but for some reason I cant map my hardware knobs to ableton meaning that I can only automate the parameters inside of ableton and not using the hardwear knobs, any suggestions?
How to record the audio track at the same time?
Hi!
Thank you for a great video.
Can you set up Ableton and the Moog Sub 37 so the Moog will receive a BPM from Ableton to use in for instance arpeggiator or step sequencer function?
Yes you can, it's very easy to do, just go into live preferences and pick the MIDI panel, you then have to select "track, sync and remote" on the MIDI input. The Moog will go into slave or Master clock, you also have to go into MIDI setup of the actual Moog hardware.
@Deanthemachine hi, well, first thing is to turn on the "sync" button on the arpeggiator, that will always keep the tempo in sync. (slave or master are used for: master tempo is a DAW software or hardware that controls the BMP of all devices and slave is a device of DAW software that follows the tempo, from a Master, that's very easy). With that being said, yes you can save the patches, patterns with dedicated LFO in sync and i totally understand what you have said, since in the beginning i have found myself in the same situation, trying to synch the LFO with the actual synth while playing. A Laptop would help a lot during a performance, because once you connect the Moog via USB and play the "sync" button on the arpeggiator, everything is set to clock in perfect timing.
@Deanthemachine if the tempo is coming from the master (laptop) and then you unplug the laptop, the Master tempo will come from the Moog so things could change, but yes, you can definitely make a patch and save it and tyou no need the laptop to do that, you can simply use the master tenpo from the Moog itself.
@Deanthemachine You're welcome anytime! Good luck and enjoy your Moog, it's an amazing synth! Have a nice day!
I followed your instructions to the letter and everything was perfect. Loved it!!! However.. I'm now turning my project back on after playing with it previously and I keep getting a message when I open the software editor which says "The Editor cannot connect to the hardware. Please connect your Sub 37 and set MIDI In and Out on Setup page." I've tried to restart Ableton but I have no luck. I've tried to disconnect the usb and reconnect... No joy!!! I've tried to reinstall the 1.2.0 update... No joy!!! Any way you can help would be so much appreciated.
Assuming your in windows(i dont have a mac..sorry) you could uninstall the moog usb driver. so disconnect the moog, then uninstall then reinstall then plug in the moog. you might try using a different usb port too also avoid usb hub use. you might find that on your pc motherboard you have spare usb ports if you are short.
thanks very much for the reply!! I am in windows and have done so. the midi input and output are both set to sub 37 on the software editor and i don't seem to have any issues with it so far. thank you!!!
great news so enjoy its a beautiful synth. which others do you have?
That's it I'm afraid apart from my Korg X5D. I love it, but my set up is mostly soft synths including Sylenth 1.3, Hive, Serum, Massive, Zebra 2 etc.. The difference is huge with regards to raw power though so I'm thinking of investing in another... Something more polyphonic though next time around.
plenty to choose from novation released an 8 vouce desktop one yesterday and dave smith have the prophet 8 rev 2 although deepmind looks good.I got the roland fa06 now thats a real good polyphonic at amazing price because it can download the roland axial site sounds from the integra 7. so a great budget workstation. I have ableton push and maschine but working towards standalone to get away from the pc. youve at least got a real solid foundation with that Moog.
Is "Audio from Sub 37" necessary? Can't it receive the sound information via usb and reproduce from the audio interface?
The version I bought does not have an audio interface built in. So you will need to route the audio to your sudio interface.
Hey FSS. Thanks for the great tutorial. Can I ask how you sync the tempo of the Sub37 using Ableton as an external midi clock (i.e. Sub37 in slave mode & Ableton as master). It should be possible to add an audio track to Ableton & record a mono audio channel while the S37 is tempo locked to the track's bpm. This would be somewhat different to the configuration you've described in this tutorial. This would be especially useful since I have a lot of existing Ableton projects that I want to add S37 live audio (as opposed to using midi to add S37 input). The S37 manual doesn't say much about syncing the synth to external midi. Any tips...?
i am just finishing off a little code and I will respond when ive done that, it wont be too long, which time zone are you in?
Ok open ableton and go to menu options and then to preferences and choose link midi tab. I dont know what midi interface you have or if your using sub 37 usb but select sync for the sub 37 and turn it on. itll go yellow to indicate selection. then press sync button in arpeggiator section of the sub 37 then it will sync to the Sub 37. any problems just ask. Any midi track can then be set to the sub 37 in ableton and match the midi channel to that of the sub 37. Look at creating an external instrument in ableton so you only need to setup once.
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your welcome David
Hi thanks for the video! Having a slight issue... I have my Sub37 synced with Ableton and can hear the notes when i play on the Moog's keyboard, but i can't hear the Moog when i insert notes into a midi clip on Ableton. Do you know what i need to do?
Thanks :)
+matillathebunwhere you enter the midi notes you will see the piano roll in that section is a little circle click that and itll change colour and you will hear the notes.
Hi I installed the editor and my firmware is already updated but when I drag my external instrument into a midi channel and I try to select Moog Sub 37, i don't see my Moog sub 37 listed, any help on that?
Hey, got the same problem. Could you solve it?
Do you need two MIDI cables to have one for out/in from the Moog Sub 37 to the audio interface for it to work?
it depends what you want to do, if you want to play and record the midi notes you played in your DAW like Ableton then yes, if you only want to send midi notes to the Moog from your DAW then you only need one.
Or you can just use a USB cable.
what do your inputs and outputs look like in ableton settings? this is so frustraing i keep hearing notes but they are getting cut off i believe. I feel like i am unkowingly screwing everything up when i try to fix it. I do not understand channels at all but i set everything up just like you did in the video. Argh!
+Splinter5k pm me and leave your email i will try assist, which time zone are you in?
Im from EST time zone east coast USA> TBH i dont know how to send a message on youtube. My goal is to record audio from my sub 37 as well as send midi to it so it can play my created notes with its amazing sound. From there i would love to record what comes out. I routed everything and have the sub 37 set up as a midi instrument but i dont feel as if i have the entire process down. Thank you so much for this video and your continued help.
I used the external instrument look in ableton on the left side panel and drag the external instrument onto your midi track, then put the settings in ie the midi channel and the audio settings I assume youve an external sound device? which are you using?
Is the moog just connected with usb directly to the laptop or does it require a audio interface?
It needs an audio interface.
For Synth's Sake are these sounds digital or analog since it is a plug in?
The sub 37 is analogue signal path so what you hear is analogue. The plugin merely allows control of the digital features (the control) of the sub 37 parameters.
For Synth's Sake Great, I was looking for a synth with a built in audio interface so I can directly attach it to the laptop. But I noticed the sub 37 has a plug in feature and wondered it wasn't digital audio. Wonder though why they just didn't made it audio over usb. Would have been easier than building a plug in.
How do you load the editor into Ableton after the installation on the computer? Ableton does not see it!
You need to put the editor plugin into your plug in folder. itll be a 32bit or 64 depending on your system The plug in is called sub 37 editor. then go to ableton choose options on menu then preferences. Choose the file folder tab and at the bottom is a plug in sources section click rescan and the plugin will be recognised. then go to the categories plug in section top left of ableton and you willl just above that see the search field type sub 37 and you should see the plug in under the name section. Just drag that onto your midi track. any problems just let me know.
It only shows up as a VST for WIndows and not Mac OS X when I unzip the files. Is this only available for Windows?
It only shows VST as dll file for WIndows and nothing for Mac OS.
my sub 37 folder contains a folder for the mac so it does exist, look in your folders for the sub 37 editor folder in there it has the osx version, i guess if you install that itll unzip the plug in. If I recall correctly insstall the standalone version into osx first then see if that unzips the plug ins.
+Renaissance Man pm me with your email and i can zip tne file up and send. I might be a couple of hours as ive just dropped kids off at the beach.
You are doing it wrong, you don't need to do the mapping. The problem is that you are using the USB port for external instrument and the Plugin can't use it.
That is completely untrue. USB is capable of carrying midi.
You are not understanding the problem. The plugin can communicate with the Sub37 directly, no need for mapping, using the USB MIDI of the SUb37. But the plugin can't use the USB MIDI if you are using it for sending data from the DAW. You need USB MIDI for the plugin and the normal MIDI port for the DAW. For the plugin to work perfectly it needs "exclusivity" to put it in some way,.
rodzeroher that may be the way you have yours configured but I don't believe that's necessary. Usb has *30* times more bandwidth than midi cables. Usb can send midi in + out + 3 clear channels of stereo audio on a virus TI. Point being Usb is capable of carrying 30 midi in/outs of it needed to. 1in + 1out should not be a problem. It shouldn't need exclusivity.
I was able to add the plugin and just set the midi input and output to be the Moog sub 37 (Usb cable only) and it seems to work fine. No mapping required.
EoN604 then you are still not understanding. Even if USB has more bandwidth it just has one midi port.
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software for the sub phatty is horrible.. who made this junk?
FML too much work
For some reason Sub 37 doesn't always connect to my Moog which is super annoying. Sometimes I can control the cut off and sometimes it wont turn SMH! Please Help....
how are you connecting via usb midi and on what a pc?
Thanks very much!
i have the external instrument set properly on a mac but still can't get ableton to play back midi through the sub 37. what am i doing wrong any help would be greatly appreciated.