"I found Star Fox Zero's controls to be awkward, occasionally frustrating, and extremely demanding... at first. But once I gave them a little bit more time - okay, to be fair, a lot of time - I found them to be fun, exciting, and incredibly rewarding. It's just getting to that point that can be a little tricky." Yup. That's Platinum Games for ya.
Ehhhh not really, dude. The only game of theirs that I had a problem with the controls with at first was God Hand and that was many many years ago now. If anything, Platinum Games might have the one mechanic that's odd at first but you figure out quickly. Star Fox Zero is different in that the controls are needlessly complicated for no real reason other than to make the Gamepad more important. Shit sucks :(
+FlasherOfWangs Wonderful 101 had an innovative control scheme. MGR's blade mode... etc. And they were all for solid mechanical reasons. If you listen to the review, the point Andre was trying to make was that the controls are complex so you can do complex shit. Just like Godhand/W101/Bayo/Fighting Games and so on. Not every game has to have dull Arkham-style combat just so the controls aren't complicated.
Wonderful 101 was the exact same thing. It was hard to learn but it ended up being really special. People should be more open minded to control innovations.
I agree, but Wonderful 101 "clicked" for me 1/3 of the way into the game. It sounded like Andre didn't "click" with these controls until after he had beaten the game once or twice.
Don't really get the remark about replay value. Star Fox 64 3D (which is a port of the N64 game as far as I know) shouldn't have that much replay value either when compared to Zero. If you want a similar experience just play the Arcade Mode in Zero. The decisions you make decide which path you take (just like in 64 3D) and if you die, well, try again from the start.
Incredibly disappointed to see the overall reactions from people based on the comments on this video. This is a great review and honestly, it looks like this game is giving me exactly what I wanted. I'm getting a Wonderful 101 vibe in that it's difficult to master but once you do it feels incredibly unique and most importantly: satisfying. Gaming today is too predictable. There was a time when a first person perspective was new and awkward or when the 'stealth' genre was first invented and seemed alien to purposely NOT attack enemies. We NEED companies to push the boundaries of what games can be. People constantly complain that games nowadays are too easy. Well a game like this solves that. A sense of satisfaction upon mastering the controls is a great feeling indeed.
While I completely agree with your thoughts, I simply shouldn't have to work to enjoy a games mechanics. It's not a challenge that's satisfying to overcome (like difficult games) but more of a hurdle to actually play the game.
But I dont see it as work. A game like this has never existed before. If you play this wanting starfox 64 gameplay, you're going to walk a way frustrated and unhappy. This isnt starfox 64. We need to learn how to play this game. No different than the first time you ever learned how to drift in Mario Kart.
+World9Gaming I wish I could get the hang of motion controls like you can. I have tried for a long time to play Super Mario Strikers Charged with my friend, but couldn't get the hang of the controls. And it wasn't just a few hours, it was the years I've known him. I LOVE the gameplay, and how it looks when people make good plays. But I couldn't do it because motion controls weren't my thing. FPS was also something I was never good at. Unless it was with a mouse and keyboard, I would be terrible at console fps games. This also was over the span of years of trying to play. Mario Kart and it's drifting, wasn't too bad but again wasn't really good at it. I was much better at Crash Team Racing. For a while if I didn't have a game down for a long time, I would always have the option to try something else that better suits me. Now with the Wii and Wii-u, it seems that most games utilize this motion controls and dual screen gimmicks. And while that's cool, it's just not for me. Up until now, I always had another option to play something else on the same console. But most games with Wii-u (Or at least the ones I want) kind of centers around the game pad. So I'm sort of at a loss because most of my favorite franchises are in Nintendo. I know you're not directing your comments at me specifically, but I can somewhat understand if people don't like a certain aspect of game, especially if the aspect is centered around it entirely. I feel that people not liking motion controls, can be the same as not liking a genre of a movie, or type of music. And people have to cope with not having certain games in franchises because it's just not their cup of tea. This was a lot to read, and I don't know if you're bothering to read it all, but I hope I added another angle on the same situation without seeming like a jerk. Sorry IF I did.
littlefrank103 I read it all lol. And yes I do understand your point. Don't get me wrong, I understand that by going this route, Nintendo is alienating a lot of people. I just feel like if you want a traditional gaming experience, that exists everywhere else. I like that we have Nintendo that does stuff like this. Without them, the gaming industry would feel very stagnant.
World9Gaming Yes I agree, but I just wish that some games to either have an option to turn it off, or use it more effectively. I was playing Sega All star's racing transformed, and my friend was disappointed to not have an option to splitscreen with the game pad. Only people using a wii mote were allowed to look at the tv. So we have to get another wii-mote to be able to use splitscreen on the tv. So splitscreen is still an option, but just not with the gamepad with it's motion controls. This may not seem like a big deal, but it's just one of the little things that bother me because it seems like we're playing 2 different things, instead of the same. It just feels disjointed, and disconnected. Same with Kirby's Rainbow Curse, I never figured out how to get it on the tv, I had to do everything on the gamepad. The older game Canvas Curse made more sense because the DS had both screen next to each other. But Rainbow curse is like, this shouldn't be a console game or something. I don't know, I feel like i'm nitpicking, but certain games just fail at utilizing the game-pad and would have been better off if they added an option to turn it off. Don't get me wrong, some have options to disable it, and some even work better with motion controls, like splatoon. But before some people can get use to the controls, the developers have to utilize it more carefully.
+Amatakato It should be a matter of preference. I wish they designed the game so people can play it the way they have always played star fox, with traditional controls. Motion Controls is a fun little addition but mandating it ruins the game for me.
***** I agree that it should have the option to use the right analog stick for amiming, I mean even splatoon gives you the option. I hope you still give it a shot, I do think is very demanding and maybe even frustrating at first, but when you get used to it you will realize how precise it can be.
+Amatakato I don't know if it would work with the second stick, because Zero uses it for maneuvers and also uses the face buttons. And you still need to look at the GamePad to see where you're shooting.
+Lord Rayken This is a lousy excuse for incompetence. Game isn't perfect, and the motion controls are a learning curve, but they are definitely not bad or game breaking.
+Brownie_Takeshi I was including Star Fox Guard in my original comment. Even with both games combined, I don't think there's enough content to warrant it's $60 price tag.
My favourite part was when a cut scene played showing the spider enemies coming out of the crate and suddenly I started taking damage - IN THE FUCKING CUT SCENE - because I was still supposed to be paying attention to my WiiU game pad's cockpit view while the main screen was playing the cut scene.
You cream on this game but you shat on Kid Icarus Uprising because the controls felt awkward and yet you spend a bunch of this video justifying the controls.
+The Goombrat If I played through Uprising without any problems I think the only way for that to happen is if someone threw the game's box to my head hahaha
No one wants to look at a tablet screen and at the TV simultaneously, no one wants to learn controls they have never used before and will never use again just to play a game, especially when there is NO reason for any of this and it ads nothing to the experience. The move from the D-pad to the analogue stick was an innovation, this is just a gimmick. Nintendo, please stop making woefully underpowered consoles based on silly gimmicks because the sales of the WIi U have shown that almost no one wants this.
The problem with the controls is that we shouldn't have to learn and practice them when every previous entry had easy to grasp controls and handled fine with them. This is a video game, and a single player one at that. If it was a fighting game I'd get having to learn the controls since you're competing for ranks online, and heck, even 1000's of dollars at tournaments now, if it were a MOBA i'd get it too for the same reason. This is just a single player game I should be able to sit down and enjoy, not study and practice for hours to click with something as basic as the damn controls just because of forced gimmicks no one asked for.
+Bort GiraffeRebellion Nintendo is so obsessed with finding new ways to play games and changing how we play them that they forgot that the reason we ended up playing them in the first place is because we liked the way they were being played. We actually "don't" want the method of playing games to change. We want new experiences at the software level, not hardware level.
Perhaps if this game does well, they'll start adding more things to it, in terms of more modes. As for the controls, I mastered Kid Icarus's controls, and I can do the same here.
You can be as optimistic as you want. I for one couldn't wait to get this since SF64 is one of my favorite games of all time. However, this game has become a shell of what the series was known for. I doubt DLC will be for this as well. This is a major letdown for me.
+AshXXMayftw how can the lack of replay ability be a good thing? How can the alternate routes having shallow gameplay be a good thing? It isn't, and there is no versus mode that I could play with friends to fall back on. I expected more from Nintendo, because the previous versions have more.
"The controls are too haaaaard!" - Filthy Casuals I'm glad you really dug in to learn them properly. I haven't played the game yet, but you told me pretty much exactly what I thought would be the case.
thundrrhawk Karbon Example: A games reviewer who plays a game on the easiest difficulty, still doesn't finish it, and complains about how hard it is. Or they play a game renowned for it's difficulty (Dark Souls, Bloodborne) and complain that it's too hard...on the easiest difficulty, even though that's a selling point.
+FanNintendo98 I gave that game several chances and the controls still sucked the whole way through. If you like it, great. Just don't give people who didn't like it shit for it because, and let's face it, that control scheme was weird.
People in the comments hating on motion controls.They are the most unique part of zero. U realize that removing them entirely would make the game MORE SIMILAR TO STAR FOX 64. If u want to play a traditional star fox game with traditional controls, just play star fox 64
Apparently Andre only "liking" a game means you should not buy it according to most people here. I can get over the controls. I'm pretty adjustable to it. Kid icarus uprising was absolutely fine for me (people always over react when it comes to game controls). The turn off for me though is just how short the game is. It just seems like something I'd play for six or so hours and that's it. It's a shame too because it really seems like they could have done more.
+ReviewRapeUSA That's exactly the same in this game too. A lot of the branching paths aren't even available until you beat it at least once, so I'm not sure I understand your argument.
This review was _so_ much better than what I have seen from IGN and Gamespot. One of my favorite things about Star Fox 64 is the branching paths that require skill and a keen eye to unlock, and knowing that the new game doesn't operate like that is extremely important to me, and both IGN and Gamespot never mentioned that in their reviews. All I heard was ranting that the controls were too tough. Does anyone remember their first time playing a game with dual analog controls? I do. The first time I played Halo I thought it was awkward as all shit, but I stuck with it, and as it turns out it's a great way to play console first person shooters. Different doesn't mean bad, it just means you might have to put a little more time in to get accustomed to things and master them.
Can't reviewers see what Platinum and Nintendo have tried to do with the controls, they've tried to give you some of the feel a real fighter pilot gets. A fighter pilot has a hud in there helmet connected to cameras all around the plane so the views of seeing behind you is a view a real pilot has to contend with same as looking directly below you. I love the controls and glad they tried something new.
Probably not but there having to contend with special breathing techniques to deal with G force so there calibrating themselves to immense changes in pressure and force constantly, we have to press a thumbstick in to put our cursor in the centre of the screen which give you a sense of disorientation for a split second. Some people just want to pick on the smallest issues they have with Star fox zero, same as always for Nintendo people can't find real faults so they pick on the smallest thing to try and make there games look bad.
I wouldn't have minded the motion controls, and would have gladly given them a try. And if I didn't like them, I could just switch back to standard dual analog controls.... Oh wait, nope can't switch back to dual analog. And that's the problem. They force the motion controls on you. It would have been very easy to give the option to people who don't like motion controls a classic way to play the game... II'm sure the motion controls become fine after some practice, but I just hate flailing my arms around when playing videos games. Until they patch in standard controls, I will be passing on this game
This is the first good review I've seen (including IGN and Gamespot). Someone who actually invested time into the controls before passing judgement. Fair points on the other stuff too.
Not allowing the voices to come from the TV (at least as an option) is pretty dumb. If they ONLY come from the GamePad, wouldn't that make it hard for Player 2, or any spectator watching on the TV to hear them?
+Lakitu1134 No, because the Gamepad voice volume is quite loud. I agree there should be an option to put it on the TV, but it really does add immersion to the whole cockpit feel. But I was playing my surround speakers very loud and one could still hear the voice chatter on the Gamepad fine. My phone ringing on the other hand... -- had to apologize to a friend about that.
I can hear it even when I walk away from the living room. It's hard to hear in star fox guard, though, the audio balancing is definitely different there
Sounds like the same issue with Kid Icarus Uprising and Wonderful 101, aka learn the controls and your in for an amazing experience. I'm in, especially since Splatoon showed that gyro aiming is precision perfect and tne game built for it
+Shawksta K Uprising didn't have this issue. Uprising's problem was the fact that most people felt pain after playing it, and there is no way to fix that.
Actually, not many people felt pain after playing Uprising, and in fact your body *can* get used to motions and eventually stop feeling pain, like the first time you play a sport your body hurts for like a week, next times are not as bad and eventually you only feel pain if you overexert yourself.
Adelbert Steiner Ok sorry, I was wrong, those people didn't feel any pain, everything is OK then. You can't just say "not many people felt pain". There were reviewers and players of the game which criticized it because the controls hurt them. It hurts me as well! I wasn't able to finish Uprising, and I'm near the final chapter! And no, it's not like a sport, it still hurts. The way you are suppose to position your hand is just bad, it isn't training it, it's just hurting it.
תומר אילן I have never felt any pain while playing Uprising, I don't know any person in real life who felt pain while playing the game, any LPer I watched did not feel any pain, reviewers I watched did not feel pain, maybe they did not like the touch screen, but that is about it, excuse me for not including the 2 people, somewhere in the world, that felt pain. Yes, I can say not many felt pain, as most people just find it awkard, and any game can hurt people's hand, if you are not used to gaming.
I've never felt any pain when playing uprising. And I've almost 100% completed the game. The only problem is the styles. Its a styles game yet I never use the styles because it gets in the way. I use my thumbs and fingers
Very nice review! I agree with you on the awkward controls at first. After a few days of playing it feels a lot more natural! And this game is very action packed constantly and I love the fly around view!
This really a disappointment, and I'm not even looking at it from a controls standpoint. This game has a 64 style story but removes what made the 64 version so great: the replay ability. Going back at any time to do one thing different so I can get a stupid medal is not what I had in mind. Throw in the fact that the only multiplayer in this game splits up solo controls is asinine. Nintendo could have turned this into a classic just like SNES and 64, but what we get is a shallowone time experience that I'll probably forget.
+TheNintenfan64 well I guess he's getting at, this version you don't have to and it makes no difference, so theres no point or reward in going back. Starting from the beginning over and over was the game. you had to to earn the secrets. They've made it to where, yeah you can go back. its just unrewarding and completely unnecessary.
I'm really not looking forward to having to get used to these controls. Why couldn't the game have an option to where you could change the controls to traditional?
+RetroGamerAaron Took me maybe 10 minutes to get used to them. I think some reviewers are trying to look at the Gamepad too much. It simply is not necessary to do that. For most of the Arwing missions, you can still play it like old Star Fox games. Free range levels are another story, because targets are flying all over the place. But these rounds have always been hectic in the past and the newer precise aiming only makes them more fun and exciting. The recalibration that is required every so often is unfortunate. It's similar to the same problem with Skyward Sword's first person aiming.
Absolutely loving how everyone is either shitting on or praising the hell out of the motion controls without having played the game for themselves. To the people condemning the game just for trying something new: list of other games that had weird control schemes that are still really good: Kid Icarus Uprising, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Metal Gear Revengeance with it's parry system, and my personal favorite, Splatoon. To the people heaping blind praise on the control scheme: List of games that are considered classics with controls of questionable quality: Resident evil 1-3, Fludd in Super Mario Sunshine, Scribblenauts,Kid Icarus Uprising (The controls themselves are fine, but it can cause slight hand cramps), and my personal favorite, Any Zelda game with auto Jumping. My main point in all of this is that something being different is never inherently good or bad. All that matters is if that deviation is done well; and if it is done well, beyond that point it is up to the player to decide if they personally like this change. Like or dislike the deviation all you want, but please stop using "It's different from what I was expecting, therefore it is good/bad" as a basis for trying to prove that it is in fact well or poorly done. Me personally however, I'm excited to play with the gimmicks in star fox Zero, because if the deviation's this game takes are in fact done as well as Andre thinks than I think im going to love it. Of course there's also the chance that they were handled terribly and thus I won't like it. Im someone who doesn't care what's being done with a game as long as its done well, And if I think I wont enjoy a deviation, I avoid it, and recommend it to people who I think will enjoy it. This philosophy for buying games also holds true for genre's as well, I don't like puzzle games very much, but I can still recommend Portal 2 to puzzle fans because I know that it's at the very least a good game that puzzle game enthusiasts will most likely enjoy.
Noah Thompson Mario himself controlled fairly well, wonky physics not withstanding, and the hover nozzle can fix any issues you do come across. It's mostly the rocket and jet nozzles that were weird.
again I can't stress that gamers that are WEAK are going to hate this game because it brings new control. they need to be hand fed with traditional "normal" controls to be skilled with this game. this game is going to challenge me and that's definitely ok. like Andre said he got used to them after learning the controls LIKE A TRUE GAMER SHOULD!
+Cilverkid520 no, it's because motion controls suck and it shouldn't be mandating it. I love the way you are spinning it to make it seem like "Motion Controls is for hardcore gamers" lol yes Wiimote and Kinect is for hardcore gamers. BTFO.
This is the most positive review of Star Fox Zero I've seen/read. Have to admit I haven't been keen at all of what Nintendo have shown of this game, I just wish they'd be a little more adventurous with the gameplay rather than just the controls.
I love how people bash nintendo for trying to implement motion control into gaming and won't spare $60, yet they're willing to pay like $800 for some oculus tool making bullshit that supposed to "innovate gaming" where all the games and apps being released are completely fucking stupid. They're cool, don't get me wrong, but the prices get ridiculous, its not even worth it.
Im angry at nintendo because they're FORCING ME to use motion controls in a franchise that doesnt need them. Scratch that, EVERY franchise they currently have doesnt need them. Its gimmicky and annoying. Oculus on the other hand is cool because its totally optional.
+GameXplain That's BS the only reason I bought a Nintendo was for the Couch Coop, If it wasn't for Splatoon I would've sold my Wii U as soon as I got it. I think I'm done with Nintendo lol
Controls take time to master? Too bad 90% of gamers these days can't play a game for more than 10 minutes before they go watch live streams and shit...
Just got the game, beat it, and I have to say, while the game would have benefited better being on one screen. I feel the same way as Andre. After getting used the controls, I found it really enjoyable. I don't know how to explain it, but shooting enemies with gyro controls feels SO satisfying. The climax, I also have to mention, while it's the same old setup with the fight with Andross and all, it felt SO epic. And that credit dedicated to iwata, made me miss him again.
Jay M It's around 5 hours I think (I played a couple different paths before beating it). If you've played star fox 64, this will feel a lot longer because of it, since 64 was only a little under an hour. Plus, there is guard (if u got the packaged version), arcade mode (which is the one life runtrhough), and training/challenge mode with different vehicles. If u beat arcade, u get the sound test menu. And, if you beat everything to 100%, and i mean everything, u get to use the amiibo costumes without buying the amiibo (look at angryjoe's video on the game for more details, plus, he did a great review). Plus, even if u beat it quick, it's still so fun to go and replay it, just like 64.
Dustin Damas I think I got all the levels, there are just different paths and variations of the same levels. I don't think there are any more, but ima check gamexplain's alternate paths video on it.
I think you forgot to mention the Arcade Mode. It's that mode where you can play through the campaign just like your first playthrough in the story, except that's also where you can see portals now, too. Overall,I think the Main Mode structure problem is mitigated through the Arcade Mode, actually.
+Angus McIntyre From what I understand Arcade mode was under embargo, which in my opinion is very weird seeing as that's the way a lot of die hard old skool gamers would want to play.
It took me literally 2 minutes to get the controls down. Any competent person who plays video games should be more than capable of figuring this game out. It's a lot of fun and fast. It's far more challenging than past SF games.
some people just don't want to flail their arms around while playing video games. Ok, sit up straight, shoulder forward, and flail your arms around to advance to the next stage. F that, I want to sit back in my recliner and relax when I play.
I don't understand why Nintendo doesn't get that a lot of people hate motion controls. I have friends who arnt buying this game for that reason alone. I'm still buying the game but I agree with them that Nintendo should have added a way to turn off the motion controls. I like to get used to the controls right away and enjoy the game, not spend half of it trying to get used to them and just making half of my experience annoying. With all said though, I am excited to pick this game up today I just hope the motion controls won't frustrate me for to long.
Yeah, this will definitely be one of those games with a heavily divided opinion on it. I'm still planning on getting it, but now that you were able to describe the controls in more detail, I see where people are coming from when they say they don't want these controls, and it IS pretty weird that they didn't add any other options, but the way I look at this game is that Nintendo has finally made another true star fox game, so hopefully in the future possibly with the NX, we'll get an actual sequel with new characters, modes, and all that stuff. Great review by the way Andre! Doesn't look like one for the record books of Wii U history, but it does still look like some arcade-shooting fun.
+Leonard Ababio Nah it's a step in the wrong direction. All these years and this is what we got. A gamecube game with forced motion controls. They could've at least gave players the option to use the pro controller.
Cesar Menoscal Good job completely ignoring the points that you can't argue and narrowing in on the one point in the comment that doesn't really have anything to do with the topic at hand. And yes, it does look like a gamecube game.
Why would I argue the rest of it when its right? the motion controls are forced and Im not about to argue that. but it looking like a gamecube game is what graphics whores like to bitch about and its completely wrong. Also if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand why did you even mention it? lol
Judging by the like to dislike ratio it's a positive review, so isn't just moaning about the controls being too awkward and/or complicated when it really isn't, which is what I've been expecting from most places so glad this isn't one of them
It's so cool when you realize that this year, We are technically getting 2 Star Fox games! Granted one is a tower defense game, still really cool though....
47 Nintendo fanboys clicked that "dislike" button with tears in their eyes because they expected Andre to give a "Loved" score rather than a simple "Liked" score. What a bunch of crybabies. XD
***** Apparently you are one of those crybabies who disliked this video. Guess what? The only troll here is YOU for being such a crybaby and disliking the video. Even if the viewer didn't "agree" with the rating, GX definitely do NOT deserve a "dislike" for their "hard efforts" in making the video in the first place. If you (or anyone else) doesn't agree with the review, then simply STATE your disagreement in the comment section rather hurting GX by giving them a dislike. I have seen COUNTLESS kids who have made the DUMBEST reasons ever for disliking a video just because they are "fanboys" of the character OR, as I said in my first comment, are BIASED/CRYBABIES who can't stand a single "negative" opinion said about a character/franchise they love. (Which is what I was referring to in my first comment). The only "troll" around here is YOU. Now get GET BLOCKED and go cry somewhere else, little kid. - _ -
MrCracky32 Ok, if someone doesn't like the video, then why not just either LEAVE the video peacefully, OR, if must, then just make a COMMENT stating why that person didn't like the video. There is NO NEED to *HURT* GX's video ratings by giving them an "unnecessary" dislike when you can either leave or comment instead. Do you know WHEN I normally "dislike" a video? I dislike a video when: 1. The title is *MISLEADING*. (i.e. clickbait) 2. The information presented in the video is *MISLEADING/INCORRECT*. (which can lead to public confusion or misunderstanding) 3. When I find the stuff mentioned/shown in the video to be *OFFENSIVE* for me personally (like bad language or racism or religious stuff or whatever else that can offend a group of people). The 3 situation above are THE RIGHT TIME to give a "dislike". But giving a dislike just because you "didn't like" the video? I find that to be rude and disrespectful of the *hard efforts that GX put in making that video* and so, a comment or leaving the video is sufficient on its own rather than disliking the video IMO.
Anybody still remember the time when Star fox’s voice actors were revealed in Smash and fans of the series said the actors were good because they’re the original Star Fox 64 actors? XD
+1UP Arcade Look terrible, play terrible and being a remake of the N64 game (to the point where many lines are even the same...even the dialog isn't quite new!) only show how good the N64 game is and this isn't. The worse game i bough this year so far.
+josevonbuergenwader2 haha good choice man! That's a damn good game. So many secrets that aren't fucking handed to you. Super secret warp zones, alternate endings and path routes, the birth of classic characters.... ah man! I wish I could go back in tiem and experience that game for the first time. Have fun brother.
+_AlphaCraft_ Miyamoto is a has-been. Ever since Mario Galaxy, he hasn't designed or directed a single game, except for Wii Fit, Wii Music, and Steel Diver. Anything he has done past this point is being a producer or a supervisor. I don't get how he gets that much credit nowadays, because he isn't that much involved in the development of games. He's just... managing. He drags the company down, and stated that when he has time to play games, it's ONLY games he had involvement into, and outright refuses to play anything that comes from the competition. This kind of mentality is a hindrance to the entire company.
All I gotta say Sticker Star is shit because of him. I.S. were going to have a complex story (on par with thousand year door) and Miyamotto told them to basically throw it all away and make it into what it is now. I have mad respect for the guy but sometimes he makes some of the shittiest decisions.(Skyward Sword is another example)
I hate controls in most games but starfox zero's controls are GREAT! Play this game for yourself, people just want to complain till a new zelda title comes out. This is a superb title. Welcome back starfox. Great climax to the game as well. 8.7/10
Star Fox Zero: Outsourced (Platinum) Twilight Princess HD: Outsourced (Tantalus) Pokken Tournament: Outsourced (Namco) Yoshi's Wooly World: Outsourced (Good-Feel) Animal Crossing AF: Co-developed by ND CubeWTF are you doing Nintendo??? I hope they've been cooking up some killer NX games at the EAD devisions, otherwise they might as well stop making consoles and go third party. And they WILL if the NX is a flop too.
Definitely bums me out a bit that this game wasn't given online multiplayer. Look how Splatoon took off with it's motion controls and multiplayer..who wouldn't want to be able to go up in a space dogfight against their friends online?? Sigh. Game still looks fun though, will accept it for what it is.
I feel as though Nintendo is missing a very big opportunity to corner a whole new market by not delving into multiplayer dogfighting within the Star Fox series. The genre is practically untapped. Seemed like a no-brainer to at least experiment with the concept in this game, but I guess Nintendo just didn't have enough development time left on the Wii U. Probably wanted to get this vanilla flavored Star Fox game out the door and didn't want to go though the trouble of halfassing an alternative mode.
My shoulder is currently broken and these motion controls have made this game completely unplayable for me. Even with the motion controls off, the motion control is still on for up and down. While I can use the analog sticks to look around, I have to repeatedly press the configure aim button because the cockpit view is always drifting. The only way I can hold the controller is on my lap while I tilt the screen to look up at me. It's so incredibly frustrating that we can't turn the motion controls completely off or alternatively why are the controls so old school. The right stick should be move look up, down, left and right while the left stick should be move forward and back, strafe right and left. Those controls would make this game tenfold better.
So basically StarFox Zero is annoying to learn to play properly and then by the time you've learned the controls there's nothing left to do? I think you've just talked me out of getting this game then, shame since I've been waiting for another new StarFox for years.
He literally said that in the review, he said once he had learned the controls well enough to enjoy the game there was nothing left to do since there's no replay value.
+Made In Heaven His idea of no replay value suggests that all the extra content that is there and does require multiple plays is void just because you don't have to replay the WHOLE game to get them. How does that make sense? There's plenty here to achieve and experience on several more play throughs.
+Made In Heaven the whole design of the game is based around multiple playthroughs. You can't even see half the levels in one playthrough. There's plenty to replay. It might just be hard to find the new routes without a guide.
I'll probably give it a shot and here's hoping maybe Nintendo will patch it for pro controller support. But everyone seems shocked it's mediocre. You all realize Nintendo stopped making Starfox games because Assault and Command didn't sell? It's like the Sonic series. It keeps sucking yet people still want more. It's like video game Stockholm syndrome.
+Katie Baily no it sucks because it's pretty much the same game as star fox 64 the ending is exactly the same as in the 64 version, some of the missionms are exactly like in the 64 version, re-hashed and re-used enemies. i was hoping for a brand new storyline not a game totally dedicated to iwata.....
+Stitches gets bitches we had Starfox games with new plots and new ideas. They were called Starfox Adventures, Starfox Assault and Starfox Command and as I recalled everyone complained about them. "Starfox shouldn't be walking in the ground! " "Krystal sucks!" "Why are we playing a Zelda game with fox?!" This applies to a ton of series. Game series tries something new. Fans are outraged. Demand series go back to "it's roots." Series does that. Everyone complains it's the same thing. Circle of life.
Katie Baily yeah but they could have at least made completely new and well hidden stages and paths that leads to secret bosses like in the 64 version. it feels like i'm playing a DLC to that game.
One thing that I noticed in watching a walkthrough (read: blind LP) was that you begin each stage with the single laser, regardless of how you finished the previous stage. Understanding now the way stage selection works, that makes a bit more sense. But it even further kills any motivation to play the entire game through like in the old days. I feel like there should at least be an option to play the game that way, and thus keep any upgrades and extra bombs you obtain between levels. Beyond that, I still remember the original Starfox on SNES, and I loved the epic, serious feeling the game had about it. SF64 watered that down quite a bit (particularly with the main music theme), but we let it slide because of the massive graphical upgrade and the addition of voices. Looking at SF:Zero objectively? It feels like they made it even cheesier. On purpose. The character portraits, despite their increased detail, feel choppily animated (almost like watching fancy sock-puppets). And the voice acting actually sounds worse than what SF64 had. To me anyway. And that's not even addressing the control scheme and its learning curve, or lack thereof. After the spectacular job Nintendo did with MarioKart 8, I had really high hopes for this title. So far I find myself disappointed. (It almost makes me fearful of what they would do to F-Zero if they ever revisit that one, especially with regard to Mr. Miyamoto's assertion that a Wii-U F-Zero game would have some ridiculously unorthodox control scheme shoehorned into it as well.) In terms of recently released reboots of sci-fi game franchises with furry creatures, I think I'll take the Lombax over the Fox. Sorry to say. :\
Innovate those controls, put trumpets on that wheel dammit I want it reinvented every time I see it! It might be good if you get used to the controls......IF. Remember Nintendo? Fun for anyone/everyone? What the hell happened to that? Who started this crap of making "unique, innovative" controls that are more awkward with a potential of great success? I just lose interest with a mentality like that.
+masterofdoom5000 And yet, they would get bitched at by being lazy if they made the controls the same as before. Face it, Nintendo can't do anything without crazed assholes from either side of the fence chewing them a new one.
***** Anyone who complains about tried and true CONTROLS AND INTERFACE might just be a crazy person. These are things that we don't change, we change their application through improved gameplay and mechanics. Being able to cut through the bullshit and the yelling fans to understand the core things you should and shouldn't change, in my mind, is the sign of a good developer.
It really seems to be a co-op game that isn't marketed as such. Co-op also clearly demonstrates that the controls aren't *bad* but rather *hard*. A game being too hard is a valid complaint but don't blame it on the controls.
this game is like a 6.5 or a 7 , the control still is awkward and it has some framerate issues ,also not having multiplayer and online mode is unnaceptable,the rest is fine but i didnt like the voice acting that much
+Nicolas Cortés Why is it unacceptable though? While I'd have preferred an online that'd play like Assault's dogfights or something, nothing about multiplayer is mandatory. If you wanna make a single player title, you make it.
I could spend hours and hours learning the controls to a maybe 5 hour game, or I could just play something else and save my money. :P Think I'll do that.
I find it fascinating that people expected a longer campaign than that. The previous games were way shorter, because, just like this one, they were high score oriented, and rewards come in the form of new levels from branching paths. Was a 20 hour Star Fox ever expected? Cmon people, you can finish 64 in less than an hour.
Dustin Damas I certainly wasn't expecting too much longer of a game. 6-10 hours would have been ideal, though (because I couldn't care less about high scores). But yeah, the problem isn't that the game is short, but that the controls take as long to learn as the game takes to beat the first time, if not longer. That's unreasonable at best.
+Benjamin Busche to be fair, different strokes for different folks. It took less than half an hour for me to grasp the controls and start getting gold ratings. It's a shame that some people are assuming that the controls are so insurmountable that it will take every person 5 hours to wrap their head around them. Steel battalion this is not.
typical Nintendo damage control review, the control SUCKS, so disappointed, u need two brains and 4 eyes to play it well, motion control should be OPTIONAL
+Pika well ur right about that but theoretically it sucks man, the arwing is moving fast forward u have to look at the TV to control it but at the same time u have to look at the gamepad to shoot and not only looking u have to MOVE it, I love starfox, sf64 is one my favorite and greatest games ever but this control seem awekward and confusing
+earthworm jim You only need to look at the pad to set up better aimed shots. Most of the time, looking at the pad is not necessary. You can still aim your Arwing's lasers like normal, and even just use the motion control to fine tune the bead on an enemy, but during free range and boss fights, extremely precise aiming is crucial. SO yes, you will have to learn to do some multi-tasking, but it really is in select spots int he game.
they should release a star fox game on wii as well the wii didnt get a star fox game the 3ds did and ds lite did I want a star fox game with coop you can fly in space with your friends maybe with more than 4 players you can walk in the great fox you can land on planets in 3rd and first person with your friends the guy controlling the gamepad is controlling the great fox in space and he can deploy a landmaster to the planet your on for support he can even use its guns to shoot your enemies as well I want nintendo to milk the star fox franchise more ships vehicles weapons planets add more characters more items more bosses more missions more everything and release a star fox game on wii with mutliplayer and coop
This game is shit and I hate how everyone keeps obnoxiously saying "Once you get past how shit the controls are"... like no... it's such a contradiction and it's hypocritical... Poor controls on a game as demanding on precision as Star Fox is just unacceptable... it's bullshit that I have to keep adjusting my play style every 30 seconds to accommodate Nintendo's shitty gimmicks. This game isn't fun, it's horrible bullshit. For me, personally, this was the final nail in Nintendo's coffin... I'm sick of supporting this level of incompetence... I'm not enjoying Nintendo's direction of motion controls on every game they create... artistic liberty or not, I want the old Nintendo back and until I get it, I won't be supporting them any further beyond this point... Everything they've been putting out has been low quality garbage and I'm disappointed with it. If you look back to NES and SNES, every game they put out was magic... N64 it was kind of hit and miss and Gamecube, all I have to say is thank God for third party devs... I gave Nintendo a chance with Wii and Wii U but it's over for me. Another franchise and legacy shit on because of Nintendo's ego... I hope they fail and go bankrupt soon so they sell off their characters to Sony... it would serve them right.
+Rizer X You are one hundred percent correct, the motion aiming made me want to throw my controller, especially during boss fights. It even feels like they had to dumb down the levels to make them possible with the terrible controls, so the outcome is a Starfox game with boring levels and clunky controls, unacceptable. This game would make more sense as a $20 dollar download, instead I paid as much for this game 3 hour game as I did for the 100+ hours of Xenoblade Chronicles X, which blows my mind.
Honestly, the controls weren't awkward at all, for me at least when I started ^_^ And seriously, did anyone believe Miyamoto when he said this isn't a reboot or remake. It is basically starfox 64 with added bells and whistles and a slightly different story. I mean the intro is literally about how Fox brings starfox back together because of andross after his father disappeared, just as if the previous games didn't happen. Maybe that's because of how the last game the released before starfox 3D was, idk. I liked the story, and the controls, no real issues, though it was a decently challenging game too!!! Honestly the gyrowing get's a lot of negative feedback, but it really isn't used much, so I didn't mind it. IT was more complicated to control at first but honestly I enjoyed the new vehicle.
Sorry, I keep hearing people defending this... No. This is not good. I played it all the way through (that's 4 hours folks), and my forearm was killing me. It actually still hurt a few days afterwards. It also looks like dogshit. Let's not forget that it cost 60 bucks (retail, including a bonus game). When compared with other games on other consoles, it looks terrible. And before anyone says "it's a wii u game, leave it alone," I think everyone can agree mario kart looks great, smash bros looks great, pikmin looks great, etc. These games have a great art style that makes them look awesome, where this game looks like a slightly upgraded gamecube game. Bleh, what a disaster. Hopefully Platinum just puts this one behind them.
Don't say the controls are awful just because you can't get used to them. The controls are fine, you're just not willing to give them a chance. Also, did you turn on the "only when you press ZR" setting or whatever it is
+furthestfromthesun. Awful is when no one can use them efficiently because it's impossible to. The controls of this game are fine because there are many that claim they have no problems with the controls after a couple hours, and that they could use them mindlessly and flawlessly soon enough. You aren't willing to give the game a chance at all, I see you replying to every other comment negatively. Even if you tried to play the game now you would never say it's good or even alright, because you've convinced yourself it's utter trash. By the way, I agree the graphics aren't the best they could be by a long shot, but I still think they're okay. I don't think they look bad enough to where you would dock points off in a review or something.
+PikaLink91 No, no, you got it wrong. He said that you could go back to whatever stage you wanted and find the alternate paths at any time, unlike Starfox 64 where you would have to do it all again from the first planet. Okay?
Kasper Bährentz Okay. Then again, I guess it could potentially get a tad tedious if you had to replay the entire game multiple times, just attempting to get to a certain alternater pathway. I get that that was part of the challenge and excitement in 64, but maybe this is a better approach for some? And even one doesn't like this new "easier" structure, nothing stops you from going back to the first planet, instead of utilizing the world map as a short cut. Well, regardless, can't wait til my copy arrives in the mail :-)
"Now visually, the game's probably not going to blow anyone's minds". Is he KIDDING me? My mind was blown the whole time I was watching this because of the breathtaking visuals. And this is just a TH-cam upload. Which means the graphics are even BETTER when actually playing it. Wow!
+Jordan Leung Eh, it's a bit different. Here they're just really complex and demanding, where in Kid Icarus, they were physically awkward and potentially painful.
Thank you for actually giving the controls are chance instead of just complaining about the gamepad.
"I found Star Fox Zero's controls to be awkward, occasionally frustrating, and extremely demanding... at first. But once I gave them a little bit more time - okay, to be fair, a lot of time - I found them to be fun, exciting, and incredibly rewarding. It's just getting to that point that can be a little tricky."
Yup. That's Platinum Games for ya.
Ehhhh not really, dude. The only game of theirs that I had a problem with the controls with at first was God Hand and that was many many years ago now. If anything, Platinum Games might have the one mechanic that's odd at first but you figure out quickly.
Star Fox Zero is different in that the controls are needlessly complicated for no real reason other than to make the Gamepad more important. Shit sucks :(
+FlasherOfWangs Wonderful 101 had an innovative control scheme. MGR's blade mode... etc. And they were all for solid mechanical reasons. If you listen to the review, the point Andre was trying to make was that the controls are complex so you can do complex shit. Just like Godhand/W101/Bayo/Fighting Games and so on.
Not every game has to have dull Arkham-style combat just so the controls aren't complicated.
Yes i watched the video. Why you quoting dumby
@@PussPussGaming They're not THAT complicated.
Wonderful 101 was the exact same thing. It was hard to learn but it ended up being really special.
People should be more open minded to control innovations.
I agree, but Wonderful 101 "clicked" for me 1/3 of the way into the game. It sounded like Andre didn't "click" with these controls until after he had beaten the game once or twice.
Don't really get the remark about replay value. Star Fox 64 3D (which is a port of the N64 game as far as I know) shouldn't have that much replay value either when compared to Zero. If you want a similar experience just play the Arcade Mode in Zero. The decisions you make decide which path you take (just like in 64 3D) and if you die, well, try again from the start.
Incredibly disappointed to see the overall reactions from people based on the comments on this video. This is a great review and honestly, it looks like this game is giving me exactly what I wanted. I'm getting a Wonderful 101 vibe in that it's difficult to master but once you do it feels incredibly unique and most importantly: satisfying. Gaming today is too predictable. There was a time when a first person perspective was new and awkward or when the 'stealth' genre was first invented and seemed alien to purposely NOT attack enemies. We NEED companies to push the boundaries of what games can be. People constantly complain that games nowadays are too easy. Well a game like this solves that. A sense of satisfaction upon mastering the controls is a great feeling indeed.
While I completely agree with your thoughts, I simply shouldn't have to work to enjoy a games mechanics. It's not a challenge that's satisfying to overcome (like difficult games) but more of a hurdle to actually play the game.
But I dont see it as work. A game like this has never existed before. If you play this wanting starfox 64 gameplay, you're going to walk a way frustrated and unhappy. This isnt starfox 64. We need to learn how to play this game. No different than the first time you ever learned how to drift in Mario Kart.
+World9Gaming I wish I could get the hang of motion controls like you can. I have tried for a long time to play Super Mario Strikers Charged with my friend, but couldn't get the hang of the controls. And it wasn't just a few hours, it was the years I've known him. I LOVE the gameplay, and how it looks when people make good plays. But I couldn't do it because motion controls weren't my thing.
FPS was also something I was never good at. Unless it was with a mouse and keyboard, I would be terrible at console fps games. This also was over the span of years of trying to play. Mario Kart and it's drifting, wasn't too bad but again wasn't really good at it. I was much better at Crash Team Racing. For a while if I didn't have a game down for a long time, I would always have the option to try something else that better suits me.
Now with the Wii and Wii-u, it seems that most games utilize this motion controls and dual screen gimmicks. And while that's cool, it's just not for me. Up until now, I always had another option to play something else on the same console. But most games with Wii-u (Or at least the ones I want) kind of centers around the game pad. So I'm sort of at a loss because most of my favorite franchises are in Nintendo.
I know you're not directing your comments at me specifically, but I can somewhat understand if people don't like a certain aspect of game, especially if the aspect is centered around it entirely. I feel that people not liking motion controls, can be the same as not liking a genre of a movie, or type of music. And people have to cope with not having certain games in franchises because it's just not their cup of tea.
This was a lot to read, and I don't know if you're bothering to read it all, but I hope I added another angle on the same situation without seeming like a jerk. Sorry IF I did.
littlefrank103 I read it all lol. And yes I do understand your point. Don't get me wrong, I understand that by going this route, Nintendo is alienating a lot of people. I just feel like if you want a traditional gaming experience, that exists everywhere else. I like that we have Nintendo that does stuff like this. Without them, the gaming industry would feel very stagnant.
World9Gaming Yes I agree, but I just wish that some games to either have an option to turn it off, or use it more effectively.
I was playing Sega All star's racing transformed, and my friend was disappointed to not have an option to splitscreen with the game pad. Only people using a wii mote were allowed to look at the tv. So we have to get another wii-mote to be able to use splitscreen on the tv. So splitscreen is still an option, but just not with the gamepad with it's motion controls. This may not seem like a big deal, but it's just one of the little things that bother me because it seems like we're playing 2 different things, instead of the same. It just feels disjointed, and disconnected.
Same with Kirby's Rainbow Curse, I never figured out how to get it on the tv, I had to do everything on the gamepad. The older game Canvas Curse made more sense because the DS had both screen next to each other. But Rainbow curse is like, this shouldn't be a console game or something. I don't know, I feel like i'm nitpicking, but certain games just fail at utilizing the game-pad and would have been better off if they added an option to turn it off.
Don't get me wrong, some have options to disable it, and some even work better with motion controls, like splatoon. But before some people can get use to the controls, the developers have to utilize it more carefully.
3:23 Bill? Bill?! BILL? BILL?!?!?!?!?
+Platinum Trainer Bill you're fired again.
+Platinum Trainer Bill is that you? It's Bill a while.
What's up bruh?
Once again, Andre inhales one final deep breath before beasting a review non-stop for 8 minutes. Good stuff.
3:24 ....takes many large breaths then dives back into the deep😂😂😂
Splatoon won me over the idea of motion controls, so I think this scheme is great for star fox, is just a matter pf practice.
Agreed!
+Amatakato It should be a matter of preference. I wish they designed the game so people can play it the way they have always played star fox, with traditional controls. Motion Controls is a fun little addition but mandating it ruins the game for me.
*****
I agree that it should have the option to use the right analog stick for amiming, I mean even splatoon gives you the option. I hope you still give it a shot, I do think is very demanding and maybe even frustrating at first, but when you get used to it you will realize how precise it can be.
+Amatakato I don't know if it would work with the second stick, because Zero uses it for maneuvers and also uses the face buttons. And you still need to look at the GamePad to see where you're shooting.
+Lord Rayken This is a lousy excuse for incompetence. Game isn't perfect, and the motion controls are a learning curve, but they are definitely not bad or game breaking.
This game doesn't seem to be worth $60.
+JAM229 it's $50 you idiot
+Brownie_Takeshi Not the physical copy.
It's a pack in, still it's not $60, get informes
+Brownie_Takeshi I was including Star Fox Guard in my original comment. Even with both games combined, I don't think there's enough content to warrant it's $60 price tag.
+Brownie_Takeshi jeez so salty
My favourite part was when a cut scene played showing the spider enemies coming out of the crate and suddenly I started taking damage - IN THE FUCKING CUT SCENE - because I was still supposed to be paying attention to my WiiU game pad's cockpit view while the main screen was playing the cut scene.
You cream on this game but you shat on Kid Icarus Uprising because the controls felt awkward and yet you spend a bunch of this video justifying the controls.
+Helium Bear Kid Icarus's caused me physical pain; Star Fox never did
+GameXplain I've never had any problem playing Uprising, but I guess that changes from person to person.
Maybe star fox zero will cause you physical pain(I know it sounds like a threat or something but oh well).
+The Goombrat If I played through Uprising without any problems I think the only way for that to happen is if someone threw the game's box to my head hahaha
Uprising never gave me any issues, yeah hands started to hurt after an hour or two....but it's pretty much like that with any touch screen game.
No one wants to look at a tablet screen and at the TV simultaneously, no one wants to learn controls they have never used before and will never use again just to play a game, especially when there is NO reason for any of this and it ads nothing to the experience. The move from the D-pad to the analogue stick was an innovation, this is just a gimmick. Nintendo, please stop making woefully underpowered consoles based on silly gimmicks because the sales of the WIi U have shown that almost no one wants this.
The problem with the controls is that we shouldn't have to learn and practice them when every previous entry had easy to grasp controls and handled fine with them. This is a video game, and a single player one at that. If it was a fighting game I'd get having to learn the controls since you're competing for ranks online, and heck, even 1000's of dollars at tournaments now, if it were a MOBA i'd get it too for the same reason. This is just a single player game I should be able to sit down and enjoy, not study and practice for hours to click with something as basic as the damn controls just because of forced gimmicks no one asked for.
+Bort GiraffeRebellion Lazy...
+Bort GiraffeRebellion star fox known for not being easy. Complaining about how "hard" the controls are is for noobs. Practices makes perfect
Don't worry, you can go back to your easy games and leave this one to the big boys.
+Atom Kick ay ay. No need to insult each other's gaming ability here. Everyone has games they can't play well...
+Bort GiraffeRebellion Nintendo is so obsessed with finding new ways to play games and changing how we play them that they forgot that the reason we ended up playing them in the first place is because we liked the way they were being played. We actually "don't" want the method of playing games to change. We want new experiences at the software level, not hardware level.
Absolutely. Once you get the controls, it's perfect. I loved it.
I still get choked up at the ending when they salute their " fallen wingman who died in battle"... then the piano solo comes in... RIP Mr Iwata!
Perhaps if this game does well, they'll start adding more things to it, in terms of more modes. As for the controls, I mastered Kid Icarus's controls, and I can do the same here.
You can be as optimistic as you want. I for one couldn't wait to get this since SF64 is one of my favorite games of all time. However, this game has become a shell of what the series was known for. I doubt DLC will be for this as well. This is a major letdown for me.
Panya Playha
Well that's your own opinion.
+AshXXMayftw how can the lack of replay ability be a good thing? How can the alternate routes having shallow gameplay be a good thing? It isn't, and there is no versus mode that I could play with friends to fall back on. I expected more from Nintendo, because the previous versions have more.
+Panya Playha you haven't even played it! How credible are you?!
+Panya Playha never played it and he's saying is shallow, so much sense here
"The controls are too haaaaard!" - Filthy Casuals
I'm glad you really dug in to learn them properly. I haven't played the game yet, but you told me pretty much exactly what I thought would be the case.
what is a "filthy casual?"
These gamers are not butterworthy of this game
thundrrhawk Karbon Example: A games reviewer who plays a game on the easiest difficulty, still doesn't finish it, and complains about how hard it is. Or they play a game renowned for it's difficulty (Dark Souls, Bloodborne) and complain that it's too hard...on the easiest difficulty, even though that's a selling point.
Butterworthy OH.
So it's pretty much like Kid Icarus Uprising, but more dogfight focused? I buy.
+J Amundsen and like Kid Icarus Uprising people claimed the game sucked a first because they didn't give the new control scheme a chance.
Kid Icarus actually was going to be a star fox game. So the more you know.
+Sato It would still be worth that amount even without multiplayer.
+FanNintendo98 I gave that game several chances and the controls still sucked the whole way through. If you like it, great. Just don't give people who didn't like it shit for it because, and let's face it, that control scheme was weird.
People in the comments hating on motion controls.They are the most unique part of zero. U realize that removing them entirely would make the game MORE SIMILAR TO STAR FOX 64. If u want to play a traditional star fox game with traditional controls, just play star fox 64
Apparently Andre only "liking" a game means you should not buy it according to most people here.
I can get over the controls. I'm pretty adjustable to it. Kid icarus uprising was absolutely fine for me (people always over react when it comes to game controls). The turn off for me though is just how short the game is. It just seems like something I'd play for six or so hours and that's it. It's a shame too because it really seems like they could have done more.
That's a considerable difference over 64's 30 minute campaign
+SuperGosen4 Except in 64 you are encouraged to play a lot of different runs. This game you play for 6 hours and you're done
+ReviewRapeUSA That's exactly the same in this game too. A lot of the branching paths aren't even available until you beat it at least once, so I'm not sure I understand your argument.
Except in 64 you get whole different playthroughs. In zero you play every level twice and that's it
+ReviewRapeUSA 64 Had some extra secret levels when you unlocked alternative path's. Don't pretend it was an entirely new and exciting game lol
This review was _so_ much better than what I have seen from IGN and Gamespot. One of my favorite things about Star Fox 64 is the branching paths that require skill and a keen eye to unlock, and knowing that the new game doesn't operate like that is extremely important to me, and both IGN and Gamespot never mentioned that in their reviews. All I heard was ranting that the controls were too tough. Does anyone remember their first time playing a game with dual analog controls? I do. The first time I played Halo I thought it was awkward as all shit, but I stuck with it, and as it turns out it's a great way to play console first person shooters. Different doesn't mean bad, it just means you might have to put a little more time in to get accustomed to things and master them.
Can't reviewers see what Platinum and Nintendo have tried to do with the controls, they've tried to give you some of the feel a real fighter pilot gets. A fighter pilot has a hud in there helmet connected to cameras all around the plane so the views of seeing behind you is a view a real pilot has to contend with same as looking directly below you. I love the controls and glad they tried something new.
Probably not but there having to contend with special breathing techniques to deal with G force so there calibrating themselves to immense changes in pressure and force constantly, we have to press a thumbstick in to put our cursor in the centre of the screen which give you a sense of disorientation for a split second. Some people just want to pick on the smallest issues they have with Star fox zero, same as always for Nintendo people can't find real faults so they pick on the smallest thing to try and make there games look bad.
I wouldn't have minded the motion controls, and would have gladly given them a try. And if I didn't like them, I could just switch back to standard dual analog controls.... Oh wait, nope can't switch back to dual analog. And that's the problem. They force the motion controls on you. It would have been very easy to give the option to people who don't like motion controls a classic way to play the game... II'm sure the motion controls become fine after some practice, but I just hate flailing my arms around when playing videos games. Until they patch in standard controls, I will be passing on this game
This is the first good review I've seen (including IGN and Gamespot). Someone who actually invested time into the controls before passing judgement. Fair points on the other stuff too.
Not allowing the voices to come from the TV (at least as an option) is pretty dumb. If they ONLY come from the GamePad, wouldn't that make it hard for Player 2, or any spectator watching on the TV to hear them?
+Lakitu1134 No, because the Gamepad voice volume is quite loud. I agree there should be an option to put it on the TV, but it really does add immersion to the whole cockpit feel. But I was playing my surround speakers very loud and one could still hear the voice chatter on the Gamepad fine. My phone ringing on the other hand... -- had to apologize to a friend about that.
I can hear it even when I walk away from the living room. It's hard to hear in star fox guard, though, the audio balancing is definitely different there
Star Fox Zero is still one of my favorite Wii U games.
Sounds like the same issue with Kid Icarus Uprising and Wonderful 101, aka learn the controls and your in for an amazing experience.
I'm in, especially since Splatoon showed that gyro aiming is precision perfect and tne game built for it
+Shawksta K
Uprising didn't have this issue. Uprising's problem was the fact that most people felt pain after playing it, and there is no way to fix that.
Actually, not many people felt pain after playing Uprising, and in fact your body *can* get used to motions and eventually stop feeling pain, like the first time you play a sport your body hurts for like a week, next times are not as bad and eventually you only feel pain if you overexert yourself.
Adelbert Steiner Ok sorry, I was wrong, those people didn't feel any pain, everything is OK then.
You can't just say "not many people felt pain". There were reviewers and players of the game which criticized it because the controls hurt them. It hurts me as well! I wasn't able to finish Uprising, and I'm near the final chapter!
And no, it's not like a sport, it still hurts. The way you are suppose to position your hand is just bad, it isn't training it, it's just hurting it.
תומר אילן I have never felt any pain while playing Uprising, I don't know any person in real life who felt pain while playing the game, any LPer I watched did not feel any pain, reviewers I watched did not feel pain, maybe they did not like the touch screen, but that is about it, excuse me for not including the 2 people, somewhere in the world, that felt pain.
Yes, I can say not many felt pain, as most people just find it awkard, and any game can hurt people's hand, if you are not used to gaming.
I've never felt any pain when playing uprising. And I've almost 100% completed the game. The only problem is the styles. Its a styles game yet I never use the styles because it gets in the way. I use my thumbs and fingers
Very nice review! I agree with you on the awkward controls at first. After a few days of playing it feels a lot more natural! And this game is very action packed constantly and I love the fly around view!
I'm getting an actual badass mastery over a quaint controller to make your space battle adventures not only look badass, but truly feel badass.
This really a disappointment, and I'm not even looking at it from a controls standpoint. This game has a 64 style story but removes what made the 64 version so great: the replay ability. Going back at any time to do one thing different so I can get a stupid medal is not what I had in mind. Throw in the fact that the only multiplayer in this game splits up solo controls is asinine. Nintendo could have turned this into a classic just like SNES and 64, but what we get is a shallowone time experience that I'll probably forget.
Well it is an option to just choose...you can play it like you used to, u'know, starting from the beginning everytime...
There's an arcade mode
+Panya Playha And we really don't know what this Arcade Mode is. It's quite possible that it is classic Star Fox.
+UNDR it most likely just star fox 64 mode
+TheNintenfan64 well I guess he's getting at, this version you don't have to and it makes no difference, so theres no point or reward in going back. Starting from the beginning over and over was the game. you had to to earn the secrets. They've made it to where, yeah you can go back. its just unrewarding and completely unnecessary.
I'm really not looking forward to having to get used to these controls. Why couldn't the game have an option to where you could change the controls to traditional?
+RetroGamerAaron Cause, oh I don't know, they wanted to utilize the damn controller?
*****
I don't consider gimmicky controls that take nearly the entire length of the game to get used to an improvement.
+RetroGamerAaron Took me maybe 10 minutes to get used to them. I think some reviewers are trying to look at the Gamepad too much. It simply is not necessary to do that. For most of the Arwing missions, you can still play it like old Star Fox games. Free range levels are another story, because targets are flying all over the place. But these rounds have always been hectic in the past and the newer precise aiming only makes them more fun and exciting. The recalibration that is required every so often is unfortunate. It's similar to the same problem with Skyward Sword's first person aiming.
"How many times do I have to tell you, Peppy!? NOT THAT!"
Peppy isn't a living, breathing creature. You can't really communicate with him.
Absolutely loving how everyone is either shitting on or praising the hell out of the motion controls without having played the game for themselves. To the people condemning the game just for trying something new: list of other games that had weird control schemes that are still really good: Kid Icarus Uprising, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Metal Gear Revengeance with it's parry system, and my personal favorite, Splatoon. To the people heaping blind praise on the control scheme: List of games that are considered classics with controls of questionable quality: Resident evil 1-3, Fludd in Super Mario Sunshine, Scribblenauts,Kid Icarus Uprising (The controls themselves are fine, but it can cause slight hand cramps), and my personal favorite, Any Zelda game with auto Jumping. My main point in all of this is that something being different is never inherently good or bad. All that matters is if that deviation is done well; and if it is done well, beyond that point it is up to the player to decide if they personally like this change. Like or dislike the deviation all you want, but please stop using "It's different from what I was expecting, therefore it is good/bad" as a basis for trying to prove that it is in fact well or poorly done. Me personally however, I'm excited to play with the gimmicks in star fox Zero, because if the deviation's this game takes are in fact done as well as Andre thinks than I think im going to love it. Of course there's also the chance that they were handled terribly and thus I won't like it. Im someone who doesn't care what's being done with a game as long as its done well, And if I think I wont enjoy a deviation, I avoid it, and recommend it to people who I think will enjoy it. This philosophy for buying games also holds true for genre's as well, I don't like puzzle games very much, but I can still recommend Portal 2 to puzzle fans because I know that it's at the very least a good game that puzzle game enthusiasts will most likely enjoy.
Oh god, BITBOY:ARCADE!! has some of the worst controls of all time. only something like squij! Has worse controls than that.
Mario Sunshine had amazing controls!
Noah Thompson
Mario himself controlled fairly well, wonky physics not withstanding, and the hover nozzle can fix any issues you do come across. It's mostly the rocket and jet nozzles that were weird.
adam dostie
And, I have to admit, that stupid plinko machine was something else, but I loved the rest of it.
again I can't stress that gamers that are WEAK are going to hate this game because it brings new control. they need to be hand fed with traditional "normal" controls to be skilled with this game. this game is going to challenge me and that's definitely ok. like Andre said he got used to them after learning the controls LIKE A TRUE GAMER SHOULD!
Thank You! Good lord, why are gamers these days never pleased for what they get?
Y'mean like the old old games?
well sorry if people don't like the gameplay. They aren't weak it's called a opinion, something you fanboys can't handle.
Speak for yourself crybaby, respect his opinion luke you want yours respected for the control nitpicking
+Cilverkid520 no, it's because motion controls suck and it shouldn't be mandating it. I love the way you are spinning it to make it seem like "Motion Controls is for hardcore gamers" lol yes Wiimote and Kinect is for hardcore gamers. BTFO.
yeah, it's REALLY weird that they didn't make some kind of dogfight mode for multiplayer.
I guess they can't do that with the controls used for this game.
GameXplain always makes the best reviews.
My TH-cam was buffering kind of slowly, and so the video stopped right when you were talking about the framerate :I. Not funny TH-cam. . . .
This is the most positive review of Star Fox Zero I've seen/read. Have to admit I haven't been keen at all of what Nintendo have shown of this game, I just wish they'd be a little more adventurous with the gameplay rather than just the controls.
I love how people bash nintendo for trying to implement motion control into gaming and won't spare $60, yet they're willing to pay like $800 for some oculus tool making bullshit that supposed to "innovate gaming" where all the games and apps being released are completely fucking stupid. They're cool, don't get me wrong, but the prices get ridiculous, its not even worth it.
Im angry at nintendo because they're FORCING ME to use motion controls in a franchise that doesnt need them. Scratch that, EVERY franchise they currently have doesnt need them. Its gimmicky and annoying. Oculus on the other hand is cool because its totally optional.
People don't seem to realize YOU CAN turn off the motion controls check the completionist video
andrè how exactly would multiplayer work if the game pad is essential
+William Meline The same way it works in Splatoon: Online
+GameXplain That's BS the only reason I bought a Nintendo was for the Couch Coop, If it wasn't for Splatoon I would've sold my Wii U as soon as I got it. I think I'm done with Nintendo lol
+Nepu-Tech USA good riddance
+Nepu-Tech USA
You say that now, but then they'll reveal the NX...
+GameXplain i mean couch multiplayer dog fighting like in 64
Controls take time to master? Too bad 90% of gamers these days can't play a game for more than 10 minutes before they go watch live streams and shit...
Finally.
Just got the game, beat it, and I have to say, while the game would have benefited better being on one screen. I feel the same way as Andre. After getting used the controls, I found it really enjoyable. I don't know how to explain it, but shooting enemies with gyro controls feels SO satisfying. The climax, I also have to mention, while it's the same old setup with the fight with Andross and all, it felt SO epic. And that credit dedicated to iwata, made me miss him again.
+Nik School You just got the game, and ALREADY BEAT IT? Wow, it MUST be short.
Jay M It's around 5 hours I think (I played a couple different paths before beating it). If you've played star fox 64, this will feel a lot longer because of it, since 64 was only a little under an hour. Plus, there is guard (if u got the packaged version), arcade mode (which is the one life runtrhough), and training/challenge mode with different vehicles. If u beat arcade, u get the sound test menu. And, if you beat everything to 100%, and i mean everything, u get to use the amiibo costumes without buying the amiibo (look at angryjoe's video on the game for more details, plus, he did a great review). Plus, even if u beat it quick, it's still so fun to go and replay it, just like 64.
+Jay M beating Andross is pretty much never the end. Usually you have to play through at least three times to see all the levels.
Dustin Damas I think I got all the levels, there are just different paths and variations of the same levels. I don't think there are any more, but ima check gamexplain's alternate paths video on it.
I think you forgot to mention the Arcade Mode. It's that mode where you can play through the campaign just like your first playthrough in the story, except that's also where you can see portals now, too. Overall,I think the Main Mode structure problem is mitigated through the Arcade Mode, actually.
+Angus McIntyre From what I understand Arcade mode was under embargo, which in my opinion is very weird seeing as that's the way a lot of die hard old skool gamers would want to play.
TheDuckClock Exactly. Myself included.
It took me literally 2 minutes to get the controls down. Any competent person who plays video games should be more than capable of figuring this game out. It's a lot of fun and fast. It's far more challenging than past SF games.
some people just don't want to flail their arms around while playing video games. Ok, sit up straight, shoulder forward, and flail your arms around to advance to the next stage. F that, I want to sit back in my recliner and relax when I play.
+TheMightyJoe1987 No it didn't stfu
I don't understand why Nintendo doesn't get that a lot of people hate motion controls. I have friends who arnt buying this game for that reason alone. I'm still buying the game but I agree with them that Nintendo should have added a way to turn off the motion controls. I like to get used to the controls right away and enjoy the game, not spend half of it trying to get used to them and just making half of my experience annoying. With all said though, I am excited to pick this game up today I just hope the motion controls won't frustrate me for to long.
Happy to hear it has that platinum charm of depth and mastery~
Yeah, this will definitely be one of those games with a heavily divided opinion on it. I'm still planning on getting it, but now that you were able to describe the controls in more detail, I see where people are coming from when they say they don't want these controls, and it IS pretty weird that they didn't add any other options, but the way I look at this game is that Nintendo has finally made another true star fox game, so hopefully in the future possibly with the NX, we'll get an actual sequel with new characters, modes, and all that stuff. Great review by the way Andre! Doesn't look like one for the record books of Wii U history, but it does still look like some arcade-shooting fun.
In other words, Star Fox Zero is a step in the right direction. A weird step, but still a step.
+Leonard Ababio Nah it's a step in the wrong direction. All these years and this is what we got. A gamecube game with forced motion controls. They could've at least gave players the option to use the pro controller.
+furthestfromthesun. "A gamecube game"
Argument invalid.
Cesar Menoscal
Good job completely ignoring the points that you can't argue and narrowing in on the one point in the comment that doesn't really have anything to do with the topic at hand. And yes, it does look like a gamecube game.
Why would I argue the rest of it when its right? the motion controls are forced and Im not about to argue that. but it looking like a gamecube game is what graphics whores like to bitch about and its completely wrong. Also if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand why did you even mention it? lol
+bigfornoreason1 because a lot of people are never satisfied with anything. I say let them be miserable.
Judging by the like to dislike ratio it's a positive review, so isn't just moaning about the controls being too awkward and/or complicated when it really isn't, which is what I've been expecting from most places so glad this isn't one of them
WE NEED ASSAULT'S MULTIPLAYER!!!!!!!
It's so cool when you realize that this year,
We are technically getting 2 Star Fox games!
Granted one is a tower defense game, still really cool though....
47 Nintendo fanboys clicked that "dislike" button with tears in their eyes because they expected Andre to give a "Loved" score rather than a simple "Liked" score. What a bunch of crybabies. XD
***** Apparently you are one of those crybabies who disliked this video. Guess what? The only troll here is YOU for being such a crybaby and disliking the video.
Even if the viewer didn't "agree" with the rating, GX definitely do NOT deserve a "dislike" for their "hard efforts" in making the video in the first place. If you (or anyone else) doesn't agree with the review, then simply STATE your disagreement in the comment section rather hurting GX by giving them a dislike.
I have seen COUNTLESS kids who have made the DUMBEST reasons ever for disliking a video just because they are "fanboys" of the character OR, as I said in my first comment, are BIASED/CRYBABIES who can't stand a single "negative" opinion said about a character/franchise they love. (Which is what I was referring to in my first comment).
The only "troll" around here is YOU. Now get GET BLOCKED and go cry somewhere else, little kid. - _ -
Or maybe they just didn't like the video.
MrCracky32 Ok, if someone doesn't like the video, then why not just either LEAVE the video peacefully, OR, if must, then just make a COMMENT stating why that person didn't like the video. There is NO NEED to *HURT* GX's video ratings by giving them an "unnecessary" dislike when you can either leave or comment instead.
Do you know WHEN I normally "dislike" a video? I dislike a video when:
1. The title is *MISLEADING*. (i.e. clickbait)
2. The information presented in the video is *MISLEADING/INCORRECT*. (which can lead to public confusion or misunderstanding)
3. When I find the stuff mentioned/shown in the video to be *OFFENSIVE* for me personally (like bad language or racism or religious stuff or whatever else that can offend a group of people).
The 3 situation above are THE RIGHT TIME to give a "dislike". But giving a dislike just because you "didn't like" the video? I find that to be rude and disrespectful of the *hard efforts that GX put in making that video* and so, a comment or leaving the video is sufficient on its own rather than disliking the video IMO.
Anybody still remember the time when Star fox’s voice actors were revealed in Smash and fans of the series said the actors were good because they’re the original Star Fox 64 actors? XD
Nintendo really dropped the ball on this one.
Gamexplain is the realist in game reviews
This game looks terrible. No wave shining. 0.6/10 not even that good
ikr like why can I not multi shine like I'm mad I want to dair Spike people as falco like Nintendo get your crap to gather
Lol
+1UP Arcade No tech skill kappa
+Dank Matter that ant falco Kappa
+1UP Arcade Look terrible, play terrible and being a remake of the N64 game (to the point where many lines are even the same...even the dialog isn't quite new!) only show how good the N64 game is and this isn't.
The worse game i bough this year so far.
That slow mo passing is awesome, getting top gun up in here 😂
Im just gonna buy Star Fox 64 on Wii U tomorrow instead.
+josevonbuergenwader2 haha good choice man! That's a damn good game. So many secrets that aren't fucking handed to you. Super secret warp zones, alternate endings and path routes, the birth of classic characters.... ah man! I wish I could go back in tiem and experience that game for the first time. Have fun brother.
Scratch that. Star Fox 64 is only available on the Wii U in Europe T_T
+josevonbuergenwader2 try star fox for SNES. it's still good. or get star fox 3DS
Forced motions controls? Skipping.
+DaemonDD But forced button controls are ok?
Kübel350 Yawn
Splatoon was better with it, and so is starfox zero with motion control
Stefan Keil Yawn
+DaemonDD *snore*
Thank Miyamotto for the awkward controls. That guy keeps trying to shove gimmicks in Nintendo's games even if he's a total badass
+_AlphaCraft_ Miyamoto is a has-been.
Ever since Mario Galaxy, he hasn't designed or directed a single game, except for Wii Fit, Wii Music, and Steel Diver. Anything he has done past this point is being a producer or a supervisor. I don't get how he gets that much credit nowadays, because he isn't that much involved in the development of games. He's just... managing.
He drags the company down, and stated that when he has time to play games, it's ONLY games he had involvement into, and outright refuses to play anything that comes from the competition. This kind of mentality is a hindrance to the entire company.
All I gotta say Sticker Star is shit because of him. I.S. were going to have a complex story (on par with thousand year door) and Miyamotto told them to basically throw it all away and make it into what it is now.
I have mad respect for the guy but sometimes he makes some of the shittiest decisions.(Skyward Sword is another example)
The moment Pigma flew by and the slow motion scene triggered this game was worth it, that really sold it for me.
Controlls will take time to get used to? Oh Boy, the "professional critics" will "love" this game.
"I DON'T GET IT. 5/10!"
How do you get them not too talk out the gamepad? you captured from the game with them talking on screen
He plugged in the audio part of his recording device into the Headphones port on the GamePad.
I see, I think that is ridiculous to be honest why can't I just hear it out the TV, Nintendo please.....
Sooooo... when you learn how to play it, it gets fun? Imagine that smh
+Sagacious Assessor Wait. I have to progressively play a game to get better at it? WTF, NINTENDO? smh
+Inkwell Presents: Inkwell! Why am I seeing you everywhere?
+Inkwell Presents: Inkwell! I know right, such BS
+Sagacious Assessor did you even watch the video
+yamamonkey seeing as how my comment is in direct correlation with the reviewer's spoken sentiments; yes, I certainly have.
I didn't have a problem with the controls. I'd much rather use motion controls to aim than a control stick.
Finally someone understands
Scale is what platinum games does best
I hate controls in most games but starfox zero's controls are GREAT! Play this game for yourself, people just want to complain till a new zelda title comes out. This is a superb title. Welcome back starfox. Great climax to the game as well. 8.7/10
Would have looked amazing in 2005
I agree it doesn't look amazing exactly but honestly it still looks fine. The only texture I don't like is the grass texture
+MALayhee700 It looks perfectly fine.
Star Fox Zero: Outsourced (Platinum)
Twilight Princess HD: Outsourced (Tantalus)
Pokken Tournament: Outsourced (Namco)
Yoshi's Wooly World: Outsourced (Good-Feel)
Animal Crossing AF: Co-developed by ND CubeWTF are you doing Nintendo??? I hope they've been cooking up some killer NX games at the EAD devisions, otherwise they might as well stop making consoles and go third party. And they WILL if the NX is a flop too.
Star Fox: Assault > Star Fox: Zero.
+mclightning88 Actually, no. I've played both games and this handles ground-based level design much better.
This looks great.Gonna pick it up for my Wii U
When i get one.
Definitely bums me out a bit that this game wasn't given online multiplayer. Look how Splatoon took off with it's motion controls and multiplayer..who wouldn't want to be able to go up in a space dogfight against their friends online?? Sigh. Game still looks fun though, will accept it for what it is.
I feel as though Nintendo is missing a very big opportunity to corner a whole new market by not delving into multiplayer dogfighting within the Star Fox series. The genre is practically untapped. Seemed like a no-brainer to at least experiment with the concept in this game, but I guess Nintendo just didn't have enough development time left on the Wii U. Probably wanted to get this vanilla flavored Star Fox game out the door and didn't want to go though the trouble of halfassing an alternative mode.
+Graphomite I'm surprised that they didn't even put in an offline vs. mode. Such a missed opportunity.
Unfortunately you don't know that. It's just an assumption unless it's true. A leas we got a game out of this.
My shoulder is currently broken and these motion controls have made this game completely unplayable for me.
Even with the motion controls off, the motion control is still on for up and down. While I can use the analog sticks to look around, I have to repeatedly press the configure aim button because the cockpit view is always drifting.
The only way I can hold the controller is on my lap while I tilt the screen to look up at me. It's so incredibly frustrating that we can't turn the motion controls completely off or alternatively why are the controls so old school. The right stick should be move look up, down, left and right while the left stick should be move forward and back, strafe right and left. Those controls would make this game tenfold better.
So basically StarFox Zero is annoying to learn to play properly and then by the time you've learned the controls there's nothing left to do? I think you've just talked me out of getting this game then, shame since I've been waiting for another new StarFox for years.
He literally said that in the review, he said once he had learned the controls well enough to enjoy the game there was nothing left to do since there's no replay value.
+Made In Heaven His idea of no replay value suggests that all the extra content that is there and does require multiple plays is void just because you don't have to replay the WHOLE game to get them. How does that make sense? There's plenty here to achieve and experience on several more play throughs.
+Made In Heaven the whole design of the game is based around multiple playthroughs. You can't even see half the levels in one playthrough. There's plenty to replay. It might just be hard to find the new routes without a guide.
Derrick is by far the best reviewer on here. Ash barely does anything and Andre just sort of jumps in with no introduction
I'll probably give it a shot and here's hoping maybe Nintendo will patch it for pro controller support. But everyone seems shocked it's mediocre. You all realize Nintendo stopped making Starfox games because Assault and Command didn't sell? It's like the Sonic series. It keeps sucking yet people still want more. It's like video game Stockholm syndrome.
+Katie Baily no it sucks because it's pretty much the same game as star fox 64 the ending is exactly the same as in the 64 version, some of the missionms are exactly like in the 64 version, re-hashed and re-used enemies. i was hoping for a brand new storyline not a game totally dedicated to iwata.....
+Stitches gets bitches we had Starfox games with new plots and new ideas. They were called Starfox Adventures, Starfox Assault and Starfox Command and as I recalled everyone complained about them. "Starfox shouldn't be walking in the ground! " "Krystal sucks!" "Why are we playing a Zelda game with fox?!" This applies to a ton of series. Game series tries something new. Fans are outraged. Demand series go back to "it's roots." Series does that. Everyone complains it's the same thing. Circle of life.
Katie Baily
yeah but they could have at least made completely new and well hidden stages and paths that leads to secret bosses like in the 64 version.
it feels like i'm playing a DLC to that game.
One thing that I noticed in watching a walkthrough (read: blind LP) was that you begin each stage with the single laser, regardless of how you finished the previous stage. Understanding now the way stage selection works, that makes a bit more sense. But it even further kills any motivation to play the entire game through like in the old days. I feel like there should at least be an option to play the game that way, and thus keep any upgrades and extra bombs you obtain between levels.
Beyond that, I still remember the original Starfox on SNES, and I loved the epic, serious feeling the game had about it. SF64 watered that down quite a bit (particularly with the main music theme), but we let it slide because of the massive graphical upgrade and the addition of voices. Looking at SF:Zero objectively? It feels like they made it even cheesier. On purpose. The character portraits, despite their increased detail, feel choppily animated (almost like watching fancy sock-puppets). And the voice acting actually sounds worse than what SF64 had. To me anyway. And that's not even addressing the control scheme and its learning curve, or lack thereof.
After the spectacular job Nintendo did with MarioKart 8, I had really high hopes for this title. So far I find myself disappointed. (It almost makes me fearful of what they would do to F-Zero if they ever revisit that one, especially with regard to Mr. Miyamoto's assertion that a Wii-U F-Zero game would have some ridiculously unorthodox control scheme shoehorned into it as well.)
In terms of recently released reboots of sci-fi game franchises with furry creatures, I think I'll take the Lombax over the Fox. Sorry to say. :\
Innovate those controls, put trumpets on that wheel dammit I want it reinvented every time I see it!
It might be good if you get used to the controls......IF. Remember Nintendo? Fun for anyone/everyone? What the hell happened to that? Who started this crap of making "unique, innovative" controls that are more awkward with a potential of great success?
I just lose interest with a mentality like that.
+masterofdoom5000
And yet, they would get bitched at by being lazy if they made the controls the same as before. Face it, Nintendo can't do anything without crazed assholes from either side of the fence chewing them a new one.
***** Anyone who complains about tried and true CONTROLS AND INTERFACE might just be a crazy person. These are things that we don't change, we change their application through improved gameplay and mechanics.
Being able to cut through the bullshit and the yelling fans to understand the core things you should and shouldn't change, in my mind, is the sign of a good developer.
I think Star Fox Zero's co-op mode is where this game really shines.
It really seems to be a co-op game that isn't marketed as such. Co-op also clearly demonstrates that the controls aren't *bad* but rather *hard*. A game being too hard is a valid complaint but don't blame it on the controls.
this game is like a 6.5 or a 7 , the control still is awkward and it has some framerate issues ,also not having multiplayer and online mode is unnaceptable,the rest is fine but i didnt like the voice acting that much
+Nicolas Cortés Why is it unacceptable though? While I'd have preferred an online that'd play like Assault's dogfights or something, nothing about multiplayer is mandatory. If you wanna make a single player title, you make it.
+Nicolas Cortés I thought Fox's voice actor in the prologue sounded forced/stilted. Thankfully his voice during missions is a little more natural.
Just give me a normal star fox...no gimmicks. Gimmicks are stupid and annoying.
It's not "reticule." It's reticle.
Thank you!!! Finaly, someone who has put more than 5 minuets into the controls
I could spend hours and hours learning the controls to a maybe 5 hour game, or I could just play something else and save my money. :P Think I'll do that.
+Benjamin Busche well said!
I find it fascinating that people expected a longer campaign than that. The previous games were way shorter, because, just like this one, they were high score oriented, and rewards come in the form of new levels from branching paths.
Was a 20 hour Star Fox ever expected? Cmon people, you can finish 64 in less than an hour.
Dustin Damas I certainly wasn't expecting too much longer of a game. 6-10 hours would have been ideal, though (because I couldn't care less about high scores).
But yeah, the problem isn't that the game is short, but that the controls take as long to learn as the game takes to beat the first time, if not longer. That's unreasonable at best.
+Benjamin Busche to
be fair, different strokes for different folks. It took less than half an hour for me to grasp the controls and start getting gold ratings. It's a shame that some people are assuming that the controls are so insurmountable that it will take every person 5 hours to wrap their head around them. Steel battalion this is not.
+Benjamin Busche also, the second time through you gain access to new levels, assuming you meet the objectives. It's not all high score oriented
I got used to the controls after, like, the 2nd mission. I had a blast with this game, but I agree with André, I wish there was more to it.
typical Nintendo damage control review, the control SUCKS, so disappointed, u need two brains and 4 eyes to play it well, motion control should be OPTIONAL
+Pika well ur right about that but theoretically it sucks man, the arwing is moving fast forward u have to look at the TV to control it but at the same time u have to look at the gamepad to shoot and not only looking u have to MOVE it, I love starfox, sf64 is one my favorite and greatest games ever but this control seem awekward and confusing
+earthworm jim You only need to look at the pad to set up better aimed shots. Most of the time, looking at the pad is not necessary. You can still aim your Arwing's lasers like normal, and even just use the motion control to fine tune the bead on an enemy, but during free range and boss fights, extremely precise aiming is crucial. SO yes, you will have to learn to do some multi-tasking, but it really is in select spots int he game.
they should release a star fox game on wii as well the wii didnt get a star fox game the 3ds did and ds lite did
I want a star fox game with coop you can fly in space with your friends maybe with more than 4 players you can walk in the great fox you can land on planets in 3rd and first person with your friends the guy controlling the gamepad is controlling the great fox in space and he can deploy a landmaster to the planet your on for support he can even use its guns to shoot your enemies as well
I want nintendo to milk the star fox franchise more ships vehicles weapons planets add more characters more items more bosses more missions more everything and release a star fox game on wii with mutliplayer and coop
the reviewer from Polygon refused to finish the game because he hated the controls
That moron would rather try to make people think he's better than them and act like a child over actually reviewing the game. SMH.
+Bryan Mayle The same neckbeard SJW who gave Bayonetta 2, best game of the decade, a negative review for being too sexy.
it's just funny to me that people are making such big deal out of this
This game is shit and I hate how everyone keeps obnoxiously saying "Once you get past how shit the controls are"... like no... it's such a contradiction and it's hypocritical...
Poor controls on a game as demanding on precision as Star Fox is just unacceptable... it's bullshit that I have to keep adjusting my play style every 30 seconds to accommodate Nintendo's shitty gimmicks. This game isn't fun, it's horrible bullshit.
For me, personally, this was the final nail in Nintendo's coffin... I'm sick of supporting this level of incompetence... I'm not enjoying Nintendo's direction of motion controls on every game they create... artistic liberty or not, I want the old Nintendo back and until I get it, I won't be supporting them any further beyond this point...
Everything they've been putting out has been low quality garbage and I'm disappointed with it. If you look back to NES and SNES, every game they put out was magic... N64 it was kind of hit and miss and Gamecube, all I have to say is thank God for third party devs... I gave Nintendo a chance with Wii and Wii U but it's over for me. Another franchise and legacy shit on because of Nintendo's ego... I hope they fail and go bankrupt soon so they sell off their characters to Sony... it would serve them right.
+Rizer X You are one hundred percent correct, the motion aiming made me want to throw my controller, especially during boss fights. It even feels like they had to dumb down the levels to make them possible with the terrible controls, so the outcome is a Starfox game with boring levels and clunky controls, unacceptable. This game would make more sense as a $20 dollar download, instead I paid as much for this game 3 hour game as I did for the 100+ hours of Xenoblade Chronicles X, which blows my mind.
Yeah I'm completely just put off with Nintendo now... I'm done... the controls ruined it completely.
+Rizer X A-fucking-men!
+Rizer X I'm so mad that people aren't taking my opinion as fact! Real mature.
+Rizer X unadaptable humans should have died a thousand years ago
Miyamoto = Forced motion controls as usual.
+poet at play He's like George Lucas. He created what we all love, but now he needs to stay the fuck away from it
good review, you really liked to talk about that robot spider didn't you lol, you brought it up a few times
Please sell well, and then release DLC Nintendo, like Pikmin 3!
+Achoo Yeah, I hope that the game does well so we can see some DLC for such a short game.
+Leif Eriksson is everyone forgetting that the previous Star Fox games could be cleared in less than an hour? What was everyone expecting?
Will we be able to go into hyperspace like we did in the earlier star fox games?
the game looks fun, but damn, why does it have to look like a game from 2006?
+N8 'Cause the console's hardware is trying to render the same game twice - once for the TV, and once for the gamepad.
+N8 It looks like a Wii U game. I really don't see the complaints
Honestly, the controls weren't awkward at all, for me at least when I started ^_^
And seriously, did anyone believe Miyamoto when he said this isn't a reboot or remake. It is basically starfox 64 with added bells and whistles and a slightly different story. I mean the intro is literally about how Fox brings starfox back together because of andross after his father disappeared, just as if the previous games didn't happen. Maybe that's because of how the last game the released before starfox 3D was, idk. I liked the story, and the controls, no real issues, though it was a decently challenging game too!!! Honestly the gyrowing get's a lot of negative feedback, but it really isn't used much, so I didn't mind it. IT was more complicated to control at first but honestly I enjoyed the new vehicle.
IGN: I suck at this game. This game is bad.
Sorry, I keep hearing people defending this... No. This is not good. I played it all the way through (that's 4 hours folks), and my forearm was killing me. It actually still hurt a few days afterwards. It also looks like dogshit. Let's not forget that it cost 60 bucks (retail, including a bonus game). When compared with other games on other consoles, it looks terrible. And before anyone says "it's a wii u game, leave it alone," I think everyone can agree mario kart looks great, smash bros looks great, pikmin looks great, etc. These games have a great art style that makes them look awesome, where this game looks like a slightly upgraded gamecube game. Bleh, what a disaster. Hopefully Platinum just puts this one behind them.
I bought this game day one and the controls are awful. I spent 2 hours with the game and I never want to play it again.
Sell it to me for half price lmao
+GonzoDuke You can give it to me for free
Don't say the controls are awful just because you can't get used to them. The controls are fine, you're just not willing to give them a chance. Also, did you turn on the "only when you press ZR" setting or whatever it is
+Sanic Fast No the controls are awful.
+furthestfromthesun. Awful is when no one can use them efficiently because it's impossible to. The controls of this game are fine because there are many that claim they have no problems with the controls after a couple hours, and that they could use them mindlessly and flawlessly soon enough. You aren't willing to give the game a chance at all, I see you replying to every other comment negatively. Even if you tried to play the game now you would never say it's good or even alright, because you've convinced yourself it's utter trash.
By the way, I agree the graphics aren't the best they could be by a long shot, but I still think they're okay. I don't think they look bad enough to where you would dock points off in a review or something.
So are there any secret bonus levels that aren't part of a mission?
Yes there are tons of alternate paths!
Kasper Bährentz But he made it sound like all of the alternate pathways were mandatory?
+PikaLink91 No, no, you got it wrong. He said that you could go back to whatever stage you wanted and find the alternate paths at any time, unlike Starfox 64 where you would have to do it all again from the first planet. Okay?
Kasper Bährentz Okay. Then again, I guess it could potentially get a tad tedious if you had to replay the entire game multiple times, just attempting to get to a certain alternater pathway. I get that that was part of the challenge and excitement in 64, but maybe this is a better approach for some?
And even one doesn't like this new "easier" structure, nothing stops you from going back to the first planet, instead of utilizing the world map as a short cut.
Well, regardless, can't wait til my copy arrives in the mail :-)
Guys. Platinum Games. Of course its a challenge.
+Sam Behrman Platinum did the leg work, they didn't have that much input in terms of the actual design work, that was Miyamoto.
+Warbot i was platinum did. kamiya-san would do just as good if not better.
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I wish Kamiya directed this, it'd be able to sell itself more on spectacle and challenge.
"Now visually, the game's probably not going to blow anyone's minds". Is he KIDDING me? My mind was blown the whole time I was watching this because of the breathtaking visuals. And this is just a TH-cam upload. Which means the graphics are even BETTER when actually playing it. Wow!
I guess the controls are just like Kid Icarus Uprising
Well, I never minded the aiming in Kid Icarus so I'll probably enjoy this game.
+BillFrypher Great! Me 2 actually. I just needed to get used to it at first
+Jordan Leung Eh, it's a bit different. Here they're just really complex and demanding, where in Kid Icarus, they were physically awkward and potentially painful.