I genuinely can't think of a more satisfying laptop concept than one you can assemble, maintain, repair, and upgrade yourself. Framework has done such a great job and I hope hey continue to thrive.
Several years ago, I was getting off lease premium laptops for all my friends. Now it makes much more sense to simply order one of yours. It's more money initially but it's the logical choice today.
Literally what I wes thinking. It's sort of sad to see a company gains o much attention from something that was the absolute norm not 15 or so years ago.
@@megatronskneecap Sure, and even before that, there were Apple laptops that were a joy to service but there was never a device intended to be upgraded indefinitely from any manufacturer. We could often do a CPU swap though, until Intel decided to go BGA only.
so do they have top tier security and support for firmware updates long term? or any kind of secure component supply chain? government really won't be convinced to pay more for a device unless they have that and can do bulk discounts😂
As a Linux user I might be wrong here, but maybe it's important to hint to Windows users that they might need to have their Bitlocker key at hand if they change their mainboard but keep their storage.
Every sustainable corporation or government entity should embrace framework laptops. They can save millions per year in IT procurement, not to mention the environmental aspect.
Abysmal support of launched boards would put a halt to that pretty quickly. They have a tendency to abandon support for boards before they've even hit your doorstep. My 12th gen has been given a single BIOS update in it's 2.2 years of life, still has gaping security holes and that BIOS (if it doesn't brick the system), creates more problems than it solves. They seem noble and cool on paper, but it's basically a bait and switch unless you're willing to upgrade your mainboard every generation.
@@okatbikes4917 I've never updated BIOS, so not sure why it would matter. The BIOS isn't open source yet because they're currently using a proprietary solution to focus on things that matter much more. There's already decent work being done porting Coreboot for Framework 13, it works, just not to its fullest.
@@sonickrndis there already a certified driver board with hdmi or display port inputs that runs off a standard 12v barrel plug to go with that cad enclosure file you pulled out of your big 🫏??😂😂😂😂
@@chimpo131 some testing has been done by various community members (& nirav, CEO) on a couple of driver boards. seen on the Framework forums under "HDMI controller board for display panel"
This is getting me excited for when the 16 gets it's first upgrade options. Right now it's too new and pricy to performance, but I want to be on board with a upgrading laptop.
I hope future revisions of the 13 make keyboard replacement easier. I recently swapped out the stock keyboard for the international Linux keyboard. It wasn't difficult, but so... many... screws...
I think I would have tested the power-on sequence after replacing the main board and before replacing the display, to check things were as expected. Certainly test it before replacing the case screws. Looks like a great system!
Are the screws on the Framework 16 also captured? I really like that feature as somebody who's worked on many a laptop and had to keep track of a bunch of tiny screws, sometimes even of varying length and thread pitch. This would make life so much easier, especially for a laptop that's specifically built to be user serviceable and upgradeable like the Framework is.
The screws in the midplate, the two of the screws that help hold the dGPU/expansion bay shell as well as the four screws that hold the interposer (at lease for the dGPU to my knowledge) in place are captive. There are no screws to take the keyboard, trackpad and spacers off on the 16. The remaining screws for the other components such as the cpu and screen are not captive similar to the video. Hope this helps!
Hi. Big fan. Would you guys consider releasing expansion cards in a palette of metallic colors/finishes? Gunmetal, bronze, gold (and maybe black and white)? Also, glossy, matte, and textured options would be great. I like that you're releasing the expansion cards in different colors, but I think a more mature palette would be well-received.
It's more that the framework 16 just barely came out of pre-order phase. The framework 13 has existed for a very long time. And at the time of the framework 13 launching it actually had less modules available for it.
@@heroninja1125 Exactly, there is 1 model of the 16 when an upgrade comes for it we will definitely have videos talking about it, and as it is only AMD it complicates a bit because the model 13 only has Ryzen 7000, when an upgrade comes out in AMD CPUs, we will see new models for the 13 and 16 or maybe an Intel version of the 16 and there would still be doubt as to whether we will see a version of the GPU module with Intel Arch or Battlemage
You guys should stop the picture for a moment and mark all the places, where the girl wants to unscrew or remove things. Once she's unscrewing/removing, you can't see because of her hand.
Great video! Question: Does Windows complain once you power on after an upgrade like this? Since I'm assuming a lot of the 'core' hardware has been changed / upgraded? Thanks!
@@BlakeTedKord What would they do in the PC market? Their laptops are pretty much as modular as a PC is, so don't see what they could bring in that would be worth their investment
Can't answer you first question but for the latter, it depends. If you do some general tasks on the PC like any "usual" person would then having a single RAM stick won't really impact you negatively, but if you were to do more performance intensive things, then having 2 sticks on RAM is definitely better, especially on a Ryzen system
Can't wait 'til both the screens and webcams are 4K (and maybe touchscreen). Add that and the ability to rotate, and you folks'll have genuine unbeatable 💻s on your hands.
this video is not for beginners, could be confusing to see this as first youtube video on search. at least reference a more detailed guide at the beginning.
Framework please make 20-21" laptop with proper socketable CPU, 4-5 M.2 slots and couple of 2,5" too, good sound, big touchpad (like razer blade),option to upgrade screen in future and MOST IMPORTANT with BEST COOLING possible, like it was in clevo p870 with gigantic vapor chamber (or anything that can have capacity for it) but better, not too low profile fans, one that will be good enough to work good with regular thermal paste or phase changing thermal paste(optional water cooling will be good too), unfortunatly GPU upgrade is harder, because of discontinuation of MXM, but even this way it would be perfect for "Desktop replacement" need that many have due to lack of space. It can be even 5kg+ (due the need of cooling). Clevo p870/Alienware 18(2013) sized chassis like machine can fit 20"+ screen, and as it wont have option for second GPU it will have space for this kind of realisation. Please make it happen 🙏
In such a situation, could you not just buy an mITX system & 24" monitor? It would be better performance than a laptop with the only downside of it not being as portable
@@Sithhy all point of 21" laptop is somewhat portability. You can build mITX system any day, but there is no option for really big laptop (there was good ones xps 2010, hp HDX 9000 series and abomination named predator 21X).
There's just not much of a market for this. There's already not as many people buying the Framework 16 because the 13-14 inch range is really just where most people go for laptops.
Repairable and elegant. Such a wonderful design.
🙌
I genuinely can't think of a more satisfying laptop concept than one you can assemble, maintain, repair, and upgrade yourself. Framework has done such a great job and I hope hey continue to thrive.
Several years ago, I was getting off lease premium laptops for all my friends. Now it makes much more sense to simply order one of yours. It's more money initially but it's the logical choice today.
Literally what I wes thinking. It's sort of sad to see a company gains o much attention from something that was the absolute norm not 15 or so years ago.
@@megatronskneecap Sure, and even before that, there were Apple laptops that were a joy to service but there was never a device intended to be upgraded indefinitely from any manufacturer. We could often do a CPU swap though, until Intel decided to go BGA only.
so do they have top tier security and support for firmware updates long term? or any kind of secure component supply chain? government really won't be convinced to pay more for a device unless they have that and can do bulk discounts😂
As a Linux user I might be wrong here, but maybe it's important to hint to Windows users that they might need to have their Bitlocker key at hand if they change their mainboard but keep their storage.
as a Linux user you are almost always in the wrong😂
KeepYourselfSafe@@chimpo131
Or turn off bitlocker before you do this.
@@chimpo131 what a lost opportunity to give a better explanation … 😕
@@monker88 Easier to suspend bitlocker than to turn it off and wait for decryption.
Every sustainable corporation or government entity should embrace framework laptops. They can save millions per year in IT procurement, not to mention the environmental aspect.
Amen
Abysmal support of launched boards would put a halt to that pretty quickly. They have a tendency to abandon support for boards before they've even hit your doorstep.
My 12th gen has been given a single BIOS update in it's 2.2 years of life, still has gaping security holes and that BIOS (if it doesn't brick the system), creates more problems than it solves.
They seem noble and cool on paper, but it's basically a bait and switch unless you're willing to upgrade your mainboard every generation.
@@okatbikes4917 is BIOS upgrades your only point? I've never upgraded BIOS,
@@okatbikes4917 is BIOS upgrades your only point?
I've never upgraded BIOS
@@okatbikes4917 I've never updated BIOS, so not sure why it would matter. The BIOS isn't open source yet because they're currently using a proprietary solution to focus on things that matter much more. There's already decent work being done porting Coreboot for Framework 13, it works, just not to its fullest.
Could we get a chassis for reusing the display panel as an external monitor?
Sure, just make one in the 3d editor of your choice and spring it on the 3d printer of your choice.
I think someone should do market research to see if selling this already done on the framework marketplace would be worth doing @@sonickrnd
@@sonickrndis there already a certified driver board with hdmi or display port inputs that runs off a standard 12v barrel plug to go with that cad enclosure file you pulled out of your big 🫏??😂😂😂😂
@@chimpo131 some testing has been done by various community members (& nirav, CEO) on a couple of driver boards. seen on the Framework forums under "HDMI controller board for display panel"
@@enzochoi923wow, awesome!
Awesome! I'm super excited to upgrade my display and webcam. I love that this device is as easy to exchange parts as a full blown desktop.
Looking forward to having one of these in the future as soon as I have the funds. That was so satisfying to watch!
This is getting me excited for when the 16 gets it's first upgrade options. Right now it's too new and pricy to performance, but I want to be on board with a upgrading laptop.
I'd quite like an ultra quiet fan upgrade, any chance of a noctua collab? ;)
wonderful engineering. thank you for making it so easy to maintain my system
I'm really looking forward to receiving my new display!! And hope I can buy the webcam soon!! 😇
I hope future revisions of the 13 make keyboard replacement easier. I recently swapped out the stock keyboard for the international Linux keyboard.
It wasn't difficult, but so... many... screws...
I think I would have tested the power-on sequence after replacing the main board and before replacing the display, to check things were as expected. Certainly test it before replacing the case screws.
Looks like a great system!
LPCAMM2 in a future amd model 🤞🤞
Are the screws on the Framework 16 also captured? I really like that feature as somebody who's worked on many a laptop and had to keep track of a bunch of tiny screws, sometimes even of varying length and thread pitch. This would make life so much easier, especially for a laptop that's specifically built to be user serviceable and upgradeable like the Framework is.
The screws in the midplate, the two of the screws that help hold the dGPU/expansion bay shell as well as the four screws that hold the interposer (at lease for the dGPU to my knowledge) in place are captive. There are no screws to take the keyboard, trackpad and spacers off on the 16. The remaining screws for the other components such as the cpu and screen are not captive similar to the video. Hope this helps!
shouldn't you disconnect the battery first before disconnecting the display?
also you skipped the most difficult part - installing the bezel
1：02 battery disconnected already
@@frankwong9486 Also the mainboard has an interlock switch that automatically disconnects the battery if the case is opened :)
@@frankwong9486just before starting to replace the display they connected the battery again.
Is there a way to send the old parts back for recycling or getting a discount for newer parts?
Such a service would be so green and sustainable 💚
Hi. Big fan.
Would you guys consider releasing expansion cards in a palette of metallic colors/finishes?
Gunmetal, bronze, gold (and maybe black and white)? Also, glossy, matte, and textured options would be great.
I like that you're releasing the expansion cards in different colors, but I think a more mature palette would be well-received.
Is it advisable to disconnect the battery before unplugging the display connector
I can see various videos about FW13 but it looks like FW16 is kind of unwanted child... There are definitely some love and upgrades needed for FW16
It's more that the framework 16 just barely came out of pre-order phase. The framework 13 has existed for a very long time. And at the time of the framework 13 launching it actually had less modules available for it.
@@heroninja1125 Exactly, there is 1 model of the 16 when an upgrade comes for it we will definitely have videos talking about it, and as it is only AMD it complicates a bit because the model 13 only has Ryzen 7000, when an upgrade comes out in AMD CPUs, we will see new models for the 13 and 16 or maybe an Intel version of the 16 and there would still be doubt as to whether we will see a version of the GPU module with Intel Arch or Battlemage
They need monitor upgrades and processor upgrades and more customization
You guys should stop the picture for a moment and mark all the places, where the girl wants to unscrew or remove things. Once she's unscrewing/removing, you can't see because of her hand.
It’s done exactly like this on their website! That’s where the QR codes lead to, I believe :)
@@progenitor_amborella yeah but if I want to read everything then there's no point of the video :D
Great video! Question: Does Windows complain once you power on after an upgrade like this? Since I'm assuming a lot of the 'core' hardware has been changed / upgraded?
Thanks!
Um, she has to reinstall Windows on the new SSD, right?
@@impulsesystems - Looks to me that she swapped the original (same) SSD back into the laptop towards the end of the video.
If bitlocker was active you probably need to enter the recovery key (that you hoppfully have printed).
Framework please make smartphones!
I'm just WAITING for them to get in the PC and mobile market.
@@BlakeTedKord What would they do in the PC market? Their laptops are pretty much as modular as a PC is, so don't see what they could bring in that would be worth their investment
do you offer these pre-assembled without OS ? thanks 💙
They do. Diy version and pre built version. With both you can say at the os part to "Bring your own"
This works if you guys don’t drastically change the laptop design in the future
Its like Fully modular Rifle 😢❤
I want this laptop so bad but there's no official store or shipping to here. :(
Can you make fully modular Smartphones❤❤
The freestyle kwad of laptops.
Seems like a mistake to skip over the display cable routing which seems to be (from the forums) where people are having the most issues.
Any infos about Ryzen AI chip?
Is the panel HDR?
Does the ultra series CPU use dual lane for the RAM? WHat is the performance impact of using only 1 Stick with 32GB
Can't answer you first question but for the latter, it depends. If you do some general tasks on the PC like any "usual" person would then having a single RAM stick won't really impact you negatively, but if you were to do more performance intensive things, then having 2 sticks on RAM is definitely better, especially on a Ryzen system
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think amd CPUs with 3d v cashe depend on ram less not more than Intel atm. @@Sithhy
This is amazing
So a nice laptop 👍👍👍
An 11" risc/arm laptop?
Framework ASMR🤣
Freaking awesome ❤❤❤❤
Never EVER change guys...
snapdragon x elite board or a strix point one and i am taking it with ubuntu or fedora
Take it now already and Upgrade later If you want to!
love it
Y'all forgot to show the reinstallation of the bezel on the screen lol
Please ship to India
Day 1 of - Requesting FRAMEWORK to install ORTHOLINEAR keyboards to Framework Laptops
Ship to Chile pls
When y'all gonna start shipping to Indonesia? 🗿
bro full black color
i freaking love this company😍😍
This is the future.
Can't wait 'til both the screens and webcams are 4K (and maybe touchscreen). Add that and the ability to rotate, and you folks'll have genuine unbeatable 💻s on your hands.
this video is not for beginners, could be confusing to see this as first youtube video on search. at least reference a more detailed guide at the beginning.
Framework please make 20-21" laptop with proper socketable CPU, 4-5 M.2 slots and couple of 2,5" too, good sound, big touchpad (like razer blade),option to upgrade screen in future and MOST IMPORTANT with BEST COOLING possible, like it was in clevo p870 with gigantic vapor chamber (or anything that can have capacity for it) but better, not too low profile fans, one that will be good enough to work good with regular thermal paste or phase changing thermal paste(optional water cooling will be good too), unfortunatly GPU upgrade is harder, because of discontinuation of MXM, but even this way it would be perfect for "Desktop replacement" need that many have due to lack of space. It can be even 5kg+ (due the need of cooling). Clevo p870/Alienware 18(2013) sized chassis like machine can fit 20"+ screen, and as it wont have option for second GPU it will have space for this kind of realisation. Please make it happen 🙏
In such a situation, could you not just buy an mITX system & 24" monitor? It would be better performance than a laptop with the only downside of it not being as portable
@@Sithhy all point of 21" laptop is somewhat portability. You can build mITX system any day, but there is no option for really big laptop (there was good ones xps 2010, hp HDX 9000 series and abomination named predator 21X).
There's just not much of a market for this. There's already not as many people buying the Framework 16 because the 13-14 inch range is really just where most people go for laptops.
Hope one day I can upgrade to a touch screen 🙏
Rock Paper Scissors with the CEO of Framework ! If i win i get a free upgrade kit :D
Do it like notch and play quake
@@grisu1934 I'm not into gaming but why not :)
Not bad, but I want a more rugged laptop. Especially the screen. and a better ventilation.
i'm really looking forward to being able to buy this amazing piece of technology! as someone from Middle Asia i am yet unable to purchase it...