Thanks for your updates. Ive been binge watching your framework videos. Trying to decide which to get, main use-case will be to use old mainboards as servers. Eventally get a cluster going. Thinking 13" for power efficiency and it doesnt have weird-ass heatsinks that take too much space. Unfortunately the 13 doesnt have a 2nd m.2 slot for dual NIC to use properly as a router, and the wifi m.2 is only a x1 slot. Thinking of using that for SSD and the x4 slot for dual NIC. Undecided. Kinda want VRR, or just get standard screen, save money until a touchscreen comes out.
Upgradable parts validate the Framework concept. In the gun world there are so many promises of upgrade kits and accessories that never pan out (cough cough magpul masada) but Framework is keeping its promises making a much more complex product than anything Freedom Group puts out
The difference is, at least for all my weapons (DDM4 V7, M&P9 Pro, Benelli M4) there are a ton of 3rd party aftermarket parts, upgrades and accessories available to essentially completely rebuild the platforms. Framework needs more 3rd Party buy-in like I outlined in my CoolerMaster mainboard case video.
The gun world is in a much better place for customization than the laptop world. If I buy an AR or Glock, I can be confident that I can walk into almost any gun store and buy a new grip, barrel, etc. Even swapping calibers is trivial much of the time
@@ElevatedSystems that would be cool and I think they wanted this to happen...but it's not like they can do anything about it. Third-party accessories just...don't get made
@@ElevatedSystems excited that the first 3rd party buy-in is a RISC-V mainboard, even if it's not for mass market like ARM powered laptops are (which I hope fw is working on too)
the new display isn't frameworks custom manufactured product by their provider but an already existing model of display from another OEM so it's kinda genius
Great review, thanks! Appreciate that your videos are both concise and detailed. I’ve been getting burned out on what seems like an increasing number of CCs turning 10 minutes of content into fluffed out 30-40 min vids.
I’m always shooting to get my videos to the 10 to 12 minute mark. In many cases I edit things out in the final cut that may not be worth the extra time. But in fairness to other creators, the algorithm does push and prioritize longer videos.
Price is the main problem with upgrading. Spending a little extra when buying can make sense, but essentially buying both for upgrading is a much larger financial hit. With some parts, like memory or mainboards, it can be remedied by selling the old part - but who needs a laptop display that's not connected to anything? The handful of people that will break their own original screen and need a replacement? Waiting time on the sale will be substantial. Still, framework keeping their promise and letting users upgrade to better tech is the whole point of this laptop, so good on them. My next computer change will be one of theirs for sure.
Maybe just maybe someone will come out with a kit that allows you to use the old screen as an external display. You can use the old mainboard as a desktop when you upgrade so why not the screen too?
was just looking for a review of this display and recognized you from the great framework reviews of yours i had already seen. Imagine my suprise upon seing this video was uploaded just yesterday. Perfect timing
It's amazing that it's possible to do back-to-back comparisons with otherwise identical hardware IN THE SAME CHASSIS because of Framework. It makes for a very effective way of testing individual upgrades and newer components.
Thank you for this review. I was debating on how good this might be when I play a few games here and there. The refresh rate and resolution were never a concern, more just the color quality and response time. Sounds like its about as good as the original.
I am happy with my 125H framework and it come with the new screen I choose 125H because framework is always 1 generation slower adoption on newest tech and they have very limited space for pcb and cooling ,with limited power and cooling 155H cant do much with it , get 125H , and get upgrade next 2 year which is always quicker
Thank you for the review! Truly love your framework content, and you seem to be the first reviewer to post something about framework summer updates. Would be really interested to see if you can find any usage for the old monitor, maybe an enclosure to turn it into a portable one?
For me the reason that i'm upgrading the display is the issues with ghosting, makes it virtually impossible to read text when scrolling through pages or textbooks. As a student this is a QOL issue that can get really irritating. The improved text sharpness is also a plus.
Core Ultra technically isn't going to be effected by the stability issues of Intel's 13th and 14th gen chips as it's a different architecture. Core Ultra is their 7nm Meteor Lake chips while the effected Desktop chips, namely 13th and 14th gen, are Raptor Lake. Although for performance reasons I can understand not moving as it's a sidegrade rather than an upgrade
I'd definitely recommend the new panel. However I really regret that I order my framework 13 with 7840u model. Considering the power consumption it's just not worth it. And the fan ramps up quite easily as well.
I am kinda more interested in Lunar Lake if the battery performance is really as good but I heard Framework won't be doing it, so oh well. Maybe a Thinkpad/Yoga for me then.
@@ElevatedSystems Awesome. I know most displays on more expensive laptops don't have that problem but some do. Lenovo sells the X1 Carbon Gen 12 for tons of money with a 240hz pwm controlled OLED display. I'm not really sensitive to it but that is too low to be healthy.
At this point the aftermarket for these components is tough as everyone looking for upgrades already have the 1st generation components being replaced. It will take a few generations for there to be a depth and variety of stock to make resale realistically feasible.
Reddit has a framework marketplace - it’s definitely a buyer’s market but a LOT of people aren’t interested in paying retail rates for Framework parts but the Clearance stuff gets constantly sold out.
@@justanotherstanczyk It depends. It's easier for the hand to move forward than to move backwards so, scrolling, pressing buttons is very intuitive. IHMO, a Touchscreen in a laptop is just more confortable than a trackpad, but it's highly subjective. I would buy it
@@justanotherstanczykOnce you get accustomed to touchscreen, it can be difficult to go back. It's very nice for browsing the web, manipulating position (like with a map), etc. It really picks up the slack when using a trackpad
@@andreysitnik search sRGB icc should be the 1st result, from the International Color Consortium. To my eye it looks similar, if not the same, as my desktop monitors that I calibrated with a colorimeter.
How to know which display to choose for upgrade, is there a website somewhere which will ask laptop name and provide all the compatible options because there is a possibility that the thing I will purchase may cause trouble (not immediately but after some time)
I just got mine and... Dead pixel. Just one. I'm quite bummed. I spent 1500€ on this and techincally I can't request a spare since they have a "up to three dead pixels" policy
@@ElevatedSystems thanks for the suggestion. I'll send an email asap to see if they can help me out. Otherwise, I will ask for a refund. Lucky for me, I also live in the EU.
man i love this dude. recently lost all respect for fw after their support was completely awful. nice to see that they are still releasing more cool stuff.
Because they reused someone else's display instead of building their own (genius move). It wasn't Framework's choice. To be fair, my work MacBook Pro has rounded corners in the top and I don't notice them at all so I don't think it is a big deal at all.
Hahaha another sucker. Fools just buy a low spec 350 dollars laptop use it for 4 years and sell it and get another with the latest and greatest for 350. the framework is just another snake oil salesman, a solution for a problem that does not exist. BTW i am from the automation and recyccling industry and 98 % of all laptop components get recycled.
Sure, you can get a 64GB 5600MHz, 1TB NVMe SSD, with the latest AMD/Intel CPU+GPU all for $350 so we can throw it when we're done with it. Please show us this laptop, and we will all buy it. That regardless of other features like: - You can change ports to where you need them. - You can change a part if it's broken or outdated for your needs all by spending like $40 instead of spending $350 (assuming you can get a powerful laptop with this price tag).
@@themedleb Here you go genius ! HP - 15.6" Touch-Screen Laptop - AMD Ryzen 5 - 8GB Memory - 512GB SSD - Natural Silver. Never fall for techno gimmicks.
@@themedleb Okay you win...add in 50 bucks more and you get your 1TB ... by the way what are you going to do with 64gb RAM... no one needs that not even Pro FX designers.
@@carlellertit's not about winning, it's about making sense. Cheapest 1TB SSD NVMe I could find from a reputable brand in Amazon costs $88 Cheapest 64GB DDR5 6500hz I could find from a reputable brand in Amazon costs $172 Only these drives up the cost to $610. Plus, what I gave you is just an example, some people needs the biggest of the fastest RAM, others needs the biggest of the fastest storage, others needs the fastest CPU and GPU with the biggest memory, others needs the most accurate and brightest displays, others needs the best speakers out there, others needs the best keyboards out there, ... Others wants some of the mentioned parts others wants all of the mentioned parts, you can't get all this with $350 or even $500. And you can't say "you won't need 64GB of RAM", there are multiple cases that some you might know and others you might not be able to think about or imagine where even 64GB is not enough, some people are programmers, others works with ML and AI, others do 4k and 8k video editing, others do 3D modeling and rendering, ... Just because you don't need something doesn't mean all people around the world wouldn't need it. If a $350 laptop works for you, then go for it, but keep in mind that not everybody is buying laptops just to do light stuff like web browsing and using office suites.
UPDATE: AMD Graphics driver 24.10.1 has Dynamic Refresh Rate Support for the Framework. Battery testing Results: 60Hz = 9 Hours 47 Minutes, 120Hz = 8 Hours 20 Minutes, Dynamic = 9 Hours 2 Minutes.
Second week is almost gone as well. Also no touchscreen, no pen support, no 360 hinge, no 1000 nit (outdoor capacity)...
@@PCUser1024 He was referencing the AMD drivers for the new display, not any new hardware iterations.
Does it have dynamic refresh or something equivalent on Linux with the AMD board?
@@clabbin I was wondering the exact same thing, looking forward to a follow-up!
Thanks for your updates. Ive been binge watching your framework videos. Trying to decide which to get, main use-case will be to use old mainboards as servers. Eventally get a cluster going. Thinking 13" for power efficiency and it doesnt have weird-ass heatsinks that take too much space. Unfortunately the 13 doesnt have a 2nd m.2 slot for dual NIC to use properly as a router, and the wifi m.2 is only a x1 slot. Thinking of using that for SSD and the x4 slot for dual NIC. Undecided.
Kinda want VRR, or just get standard screen, save money until a touchscreen comes out.
Upgradable parts validate the Framework concept. In the gun world there are so many promises of upgrade kits and accessories that never pan out (cough cough magpul masada) but Framework is keeping its promises making a much more complex product than anything Freedom Group puts out
The difference is, at least for all my weapons (DDM4 V7, M&P9 Pro, Benelli M4) there are a ton of 3rd party aftermarket parts, upgrades and accessories available to essentially completely rebuild the platforms. Framework needs more 3rd Party buy-in like I outlined in my CoolerMaster mainboard case video.
The gun world is in a much better place for customization than the laptop world.
If I buy an AR or Glock, I can be confident that I can walk into almost any gun store and buy a new grip, barrel, etc. Even swapping calibers is trivial much of the time
@@ElevatedSystems that would be cool and I think they wanted this to happen...but it's not like they can do anything about it. Third-party accessories just...don't get made
@@ElevatedSystems excited that the first 3rd party buy-in is a RISC-V mainboard, even if it's not for mass market like ARM powered laptops are (which I hope fw is working on too)
i’ve been binging your videos so seeing this “1 minute ago” was crazy
the new display isn't frameworks custom manufactured product by their provider but an already existing model of display from another OEM so it's kinda genius
Great review, thanks! Appreciate that your videos are both concise and detailed. I’ve been getting burned out on what seems like an increasing number of CCs turning 10 minutes of content into fluffed out 30-40 min vids.
I’m always shooting to get my videos to the 10 to 12 minute mark. In many cases I edit things out in the final cut that may not be worth the extra time. But in fairness to other creators, the algorithm does push and prioritize longer videos.
Price is the main problem with upgrading. Spending a little extra when buying can make sense, but essentially buying both for upgrading is a much larger financial hit. With some parts, like memory or mainboards, it can be remedied by selling the old part - but who needs a laptop display that's not connected to anything? The handful of people that will break their own original screen and need a replacement? Waiting time on the sale will be substantial.
Still, framework keeping their promise and letting users upgrade to better tech is the whole point of this laptop, so good on them. My next computer change will be one of theirs for sure.
Maybe just maybe someone will come out with a kit that allows you to use the old screen as an external display. You can use the old mainboard as a desktop when you upgrade so why not the screen too?
Upgrading doesn't make a ton of sense. However, if you break the display, then buying the upgrade is a worthy expense.
@@espertalhao041 my point exactly.
It's a standard eDP cable. You could attach it to almost ANYTHING.
@@spdcrzy I know nothing about eDP. Does someone make an adapter for eDP to HDMI?
was just looking for a review of this display and recognized you from the great framework reviews of yours i had already seen.
Imagine my suprise upon seing this video was uploaded just yesterday. Perfect timing
Super informative and clean as usual. Gonna stick with my original screen, super pumped by how everything just works with Fedora out of the box.
It's amazing that it's possible to do back-to-back comparisons with otherwise identical hardware IN THE SAME CHASSIS because of Framework. It makes for a very effective way of testing individual upgrades and newer components.
Thank you for this review. I was debating on how good this might be when I play a few games here and there. The refresh rate and resolution were never a concern, more just the color quality and response time. Sounds like its about as good as the original.
I am happy with my 125H framework and it come with the new screen
I choose 125H because framework is always 1 generation slower adoption on newest tech and they have very limited space for pcb and cooling ,with limited power and cooling 155H cant do much with it , get 125H , and get upgrade next 2 year which is always quicker
Thank you for the review! Truly love your framework content, and you seem to be the first reviewer to post something about framework summer updates. Would be really interested to see if you can find any usage for the old monitor, maybe an enclosure to turn it into a portable one?
For me the reason that i'm upgrading the display is the issues with ghosting, makes it virtually impossible to read text when scrolling through pages or textbooks. As a student this is a QOL issue that can get really irritating. The improved text sharpness is also a plus.
This was very helpful, thank you!
Thank you CJ
You are very welcome
Core Ultra technically isn't going to be effected by the stability issues of Intel's 13th and 14th gen chips as it's a different architecture. Core Ultra is their 7nm Meteor Lake chips while the effected Desktop chips, namely 13th and 14th gen, are Raptor Lake. Although for performance reasons I can understand not moving as it's a sidegrade rather than an upgrade
Appreciate the detailed coverage. Could you do a size comparison between the 13 and 16 please
I did, in my FW16 review.
@@ElevatedSystems binged all the fm16 videos of yours but didn't manage to find a direct side by side size comparison. Sorry if I missed it
What is the wallpaper that you're using? I love it!
I'd definitely recommend the new panel. However I really regret that I order my framework 13 with 7840u model. Considering the power consumption it's just not worth it. And the fan ramps up quite easily as well.
battery test is my favorite part
I am kinda more interested in Lunar Lake if the battery performance is really as good but I heard Framework won't be doing it, so oh well. Maybe a Thinkpad/Yoga for me then.
I wish that the framework 13 will someday support oculink. Dont wanna wait for usb 5.
so it's definitely worth it, especially if you're doing a lot of text related work e.g. programming
One thing I didn't see that may have been mentioned, does it have PWM brightness control or does it use DC dimming?
Not sure, I’ll double check, but if it is PWM it’s at a very high frequency because I haven’t noticed a trace of flicker, both in person and on video.
@@ElevatedSystems Awesome. I know most displays on more expensive laptops don't have that problem but some do. Lenovo sells the X1 Carbon Gen 12 for tons of money with a 240hz pwm controlled OLED display. I'm not really sensitive to it but that is too low to be healthy.
Dynamic Refresh rate is available for the framework AMD in driver 24.10.1
I've upgraded. Working through battery life testing now.
I think upgradability and I guess Modularity is a plus but their low volume means that things are gonna be extremely expensive.
Just a question: is there a market for these parts that we replace, or do we make more e-waste. Also, do they really have a good resale market or not.
At this point the aftermarket for these components is tough as everyone looking for upgrades already have the 1st generation components being replaced. It will take a few generations for there to be a depth and variety of stock to make resale realistically feasible.
Reddit has a framework marketplace - it’s definitely a buyer’s market but a LOT of people aren’t interested in paying retail rates for Framework parts but the Clearance stuff gets constantly sold out.
Can you pls review a laptop w/ Lunar Lake cpu, running Linux?
Thx
how do you change the color profile if I don't have those fancy calibrators?
At 09:02 you can see a dramatic difference between the framework screen and the macbook pro screen….
Incremental is what Framework is all about day to day. There are going to be big upgrades but incremental ware why I went with Framework.
Then shouldn't the price be more incremental?
still waiting on a touchscreen before i upgrade
Honest question: What's your use case for a touchscreen? My current laptop has one but I can't think of anything to use it for.
For me personally, it would be useful for work. We use free software that is designed to replace a $10,000 console.
@@justanotherstanczyk It depends. It's easier for the hand to move forward than to move backwards so, scrolling, pressing buttons is very intuitive. IHMO, a Touchscreen in a laptop is just more confortable than a trackpad, but it's highly subjective.
I would buy it
@@justanotherstanczykOnce you get accustomed to touchscreen, it can be difficult to go back. It's very nice for browsing the web, manipulating position (like with a map), etc. It really picks up the slack when using a trackpad
I have a touchscreen laptop. Barely use the touch.
@ElevatedSystems can you provide us with the calibration file for the display?
These battery test were on windows only ? What about linux ?
Hows the battery life on core ultra vs amd?
What desktop background is that?!?
I downloaded the sRGB V2 ICC profile to fix the off color issue.
Where?
@@andreysitnik search sRGB icc should be the 1st result, from the International Color Consortium. To my eye it looks similar, if not the same, as my desktop monitors that I calibrated with a colorimeter.
How to know which display to choose for upgrade, is there a website somewhere which will ask laptop name and provide all the compatible options because there is a possibility that the thing I will purchase may cause trouble (not immediately but after some time)
At this point there are only 3 options and Framework makes them all. There are no 3rd party options.
I got confused about the AMD refresh rate on Linux, does it works or is it in the same situation as Windows?
He only mentions it on Windows, so I think it works on Linux, but he/someone else has to confirm it for us.
Why not get the 165H?
👍
I just got mine and... Dead pixel. Just one.
I'm quite bummed. I spent 1500€ on this and techincally I can't request a spare since they have a "up to three dead pixels" policy
Ouch. Start a return now, customer service can take some time.
@@ElevatedSystems thanks for the suggestion. I'll send an email asap to see if they can help me out. Otherwise, I will ask for a refund. Lucky for me, I also live in the EU.
man i love this dude. recently lost all respect for fw after their support was completely awful. nice to see that they are still releasing more cool stuff.
What issues did you have if you don't mind saying?
@@robhunt8378 I needed help identifying a surface mount capacitor which was damaged and the support were as good as useless :(
Rounded active corners. Why? Whhyyy??
Because they reused someone else's display instead of building their own (genius move). It wasn't Framework's choice. To be fair, my work MacBook Pro has rounded corners in the top and I don't notice them at all so I don't think it is a big deal at all.
so sad that the unnecessarly rounded corners of that display are too annoying for me to even consider buying this
Hahaha another sucker. Fools just buy a low spec 350 dollars laptop use it for 4 years and sell it and get another with the latest and greatest for 350. the framework is just another snake oil salesman, a solution for a problem that does not exist. BTW i am from the automation and recyccling industry and 98 % of all laptop components get recycled.
Sure, you can get a 64GB 5600MHz, 1TB NVMe SSD, with the latest AMD/Intel CPU+GPU all for $350 so we can throw it when we're done with it. Please show us this laptop, and we will all buy it.
That regardless of other features like:
- You can change ports to where you need them.
- You can change a part if it's broken or outdated for your needs all by spending like $40 instead of spending $350 (assuming you can get a powerful laptop with this price tag).
@@themedleb Here you go genius ! HP - 15.6" Touch-Screen Laptop - AMD Ryzen 5 - 8GB Memory - 512GB SSD - Natural Silver. Never fall for techno gimmicks.
@@carlellert Exactly, you can't get it with 64GB 5600MHz, 1TB NVMe SSD with that price genius.
@@themedleb Okay you win...add in 50 bucks more and you get your 1TB ... by the way what are you going to do with 64gb RAM... no one needs that not even Pro FX designers.
@@carlellertit's not about winning, it's about making sense.
Cheapest 1TB SSD NVMe I could find from a reputable brand in Amazon costs $88
Cheapest 64GB DDR5 6500hz I could find from a reputable brand in Amazon costs $172
Only these drives up the cost to $610.
Plus, what I gave you is just an example, some people needs the biggest of the fastest RAM, others needs the biggest of the fastest storage, others needs the fastest CPU and GPU with the biggest memory, others needs the most accurate and brightest displays, others needs the best speakers out there, others needs the best keyboards out there, ... Others wants some of the mentioned parts others wants all of the mentioned parts, you can't get all this with $350 or even $500.
And you can't say "you won't need 64GB of RAM", there are multiple cases that some you might know and others you might not be able to think about or imagine where even 64GB is not enough, some people are programmers, others works with ML and AI, others do 4k and 8k video editing, others do 3D modeling and rendering, ... Just because you don't need something doesn't mean all people around the world wouldn't need it.
If a $350 laptop works for you, then go for it, but keep in mind that not everybody is buying laptops just to do light stuff like web browsing and using office suites.