Frieren already said in the anime that she's lost 11 times to opponents with less mana than her (including 6 times to humans). This sets her up nicely to (possibly) be defeated or at least be faced with difficulty.
@@FringeSpectre it's a curse, different to human magic, those are mostly used my demons/monsters that's why she couldn't defend against it and also why only the goddess magic can dispel it
Even with the fight with Aura, it was hinted that Frieren was second guessing her action about killing demons ultimately realizing that she's right on treating them as monsters because that's what they truly are when Aura shows that shes nothing more than a unemphatic monster.
i think it was during the fight with macht that she actually said that, thanks to the personality and personal admissions of the demon, she didnt have doubts in killing for the very first time
And what Roaming Trend may be forgetting - or willfully ignoring to make a point - is that Aura's not just a demon, she's incredibly dangerous. All those armour suits are people she's enslaved with her Scale, mere suits because she's held them so long their bodies have rotted away. And that army's there to annihilate the town after her cronies figure out how to disable the barrier around it. Even if demonkind had any capacity at all for decency, Aura was a threat that needed to die, and Frieren knew from past experience - with demons in general and with Aura - to have no remorse. Edited for grammar tisms.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Actually, at least in the anime (haven't read the Manga) the scene implies Aura had them behead themselves hence that's how she herself dies.
@@Hamakua I only remembered that after typing this, you are correct there. And she beheads them because someone with sufficient willpower can resist the scale, so she doesn't want to take the chance. Though the rest of my point remains, it is firmly established that Aura was too dangerous to spare.
The main difference is that Frieren and Amazon's Steaming Pile of Garbage shouldn't even be in the same conversation. The fact that rings of power has a 7/10 on IMDB is already way more than it deserves.
I agree with the other replies, we are giving the Amazon knockoff a lot more credit than it deserves. The thing is, Frieren’s journey is more than mourning. It’s her journey of discovering the essence of humanity. Throughout her life, she has been alone and didn’t understand the appreciation of life. But with her second party consisting of Stark and Fern, she slowly grasps what Himmel meant to her. And her mindset changes slowly, where you can see Frieren taking care of Fern and Stark far more intimately than her first party.
(7:00) You had mentioned you didn't know what Eisen's major flaw is there. I think Eisen's major flaw is that he's a bit of a coward. Despite being really strong, he lacks the boisterous, fearless energy that we expect from dwarves. Instead, he's easily intimidated and literally shakes before combat. He's even intimidated by his own student, Starck, to such and extent that he ends up striking him in instinctual self-defense....so hard that Starck just straight up walks away. Anyway, that's my take on Eisen. He's still a lovable character because he ends up overcoming his fears at least for the Demon King battle and he serves as a good anchor for Starck to come home to.
I think the point with that note was that _that particular shot_ shows all their flaws visually at the same time (except, it doesn't really show anything about Eisen, except that he's shorter than everyone else). That annotation was obviously also clearly intended mostly as a joke... But I also think it could be argued that that specific scene also shows Eisen as sort of hunched up and turned to the side, basically in his own world, while everyone else is enjoying themselves and interacting with each other. In this regard I think it does actually convey more about his character than is obvious at first glance, too... (And Eisen being intimidated/afraid of Stark is not just because Eisen is a coward. It's because Stark's own nature (to those who can actually perceive it) is _just that scary._ This becomes pretty clear once you realize that _a freaking dragon_ had exactly the same sort of instinctual panic reaction after just coming face-to-face with him, too.)
As a Tolkien hardcore fan this review makes me sad yet youre on point. Rings of Power is just a travesty to Tolkien's work. It makes so many awesome characters like Finrod and Galadriel so boring and unispired. I mean, Firod in Tolkien's lore was the first elf to befriend humans, he was the first elf to see the mortality of man, the first elf to see someone dying without wounds, of old age. He abandoned everything, a life of peace in the land of the gods, out of loyalty to his cousins from the house of Feanor in exile. Finrod died protecting his human friend Beren, not in some random ass battle with Sauron.
Why would it make you sad? The capitalists are everything Tolkien was opposed to. Evil cant create it only corrupts so its expected that they would try to corrup Tolkiens work. Let us do our part to make sure the book Firod is remembered.
@@vampirecount3880neo liberalism don't really care about making good stories about so called woke ideas, they just want to be perceived as such to make money
@@vampirecount3880no they are totally making those sequel purely out of greed which is 100% capitalist behavior. Read Marx to see what socialism is really about before talking Its just that they are targetting progressive public because they are financed by those lobby and get bonus money when they do thing like that
A true fellow Tolkien fan!!! 😭 I’m so sick of other fans defending the show even though they have read Tolkien’s works. It’s disrespectful to the legend himself!
I really enjoyed your visual analysis of Himmel and Frieren. Frieren's adoration towards Himmel can also be shown just from the fact that she "counts" the passage of time *specifically* based on how long its been since Himmel himself died. His absence is so impactful to her that she forgoes convention specifically to note how long its been since she lost him. Likewise, Himmel may come off as vain, but the fact that behind that vanity, he requested so many statues of himself to be around the kingdom, knowing he wouldn't share even a portion of Frieren's lifespan, all so she wouldn't be alone in her travels in the future, is the biggest declaration of love, imo. Frieren as a show does an amazing job at showing just how much Frieren and Himmel loved and impacted each other's lives.
@@RoamingTrend lmfaooo dw, I would still enjoy it regardless. I like seeing how others put together pieces of a narrative and come to their own conclusions about it. Plus, don’t give me too much credit-I hadn’t noticed during the funeral that Frieren was framed specifically with an empty space where Himmel should’ve been standing. So trust, you’ll definitely be presenting interesting info lmao.
The _series_ marks the passage of time based on Himmel's death, but that does not necessarily mean that _Frieren_ does. In fact, it is strongly implied at many points that Frieren has been around for so long that she's basically all but given up on counting the passage of time at all (even after Himmel's death)... To her, it doesn't really matter whether it's been 20 years or 200 years since Himmel died. Himmel is still dead either way. There's no point in counting the time that's passed since an event you can't change anyway. All she can do is move forward, on her own, and maybe come to understand more about what she ended up leaving behind her, without even realizing it...
I can't help but tear up whenever i see himmel in flashback.. He's such a good character and the anime kinda makes me feel like I'm one of the villager that himmel saved.. One thing that i wish we can see is himmel actually fighting, for now w just see a frame and that little demon that he killed..
I'm the same, I'm not an emotional person but this show has flawed me. When he was old, seeing his cabinet become more and more empty as he had sold things off but had kept his memento of Frieren and his friends or the flashbacks like when he was unfazed by being unable to pull the hero's sword. Can't remember a show that has kept me as gripped as this one.
Actually, I think this is another great aspect of the storytelling. To everyone else in the world, he is Himmel the Hero, the man who led them all into battle and defeated the Demon Lord. But to Frieren, and the others who travelled with him, in their memories, that doesn't even really matter at all. That's actually one of the _least_ noteworthy things about the man they knew. They alone knew that his true value as a person came from things that had nothing to do with his combat ability, or even his role as the Hero, at all. What they inevitably end up looking back on are all the other things: The times around the campfire, his surprising insights, his reassuring kindness, or his simple joy at being able to enjoy a sunset, or a simple field of flowers, with his friends... But of course, those are also all memories of him that soon enough, nobody but Frieren will even remember at all...
Frieren also takes moments to dedicate to the other characters so we can gain a better understanding of them as well. From what I understand, Rings of Power really doesn't take the time to give those same kind of moments to the supporting cast.
19:00 I don't think Frieren ever thought that killing demon as some revenge method, let alone who more merciful While Galadriel deem her vengent to the demon as battle of equal being, Frieren- on the other hand- deem her demon massacre as killing some wild beast that trying to bite her (sooner or later) So you can not assimilate the killing demon of Frieren to the killing demon of Galadriel, because those are two completely different actions for two completely different purposes
only part about video where i had some concerns lol Yeah in freiren's world you just don't humanise demons. and honestly. I feel like fantasy world having purley evil race is really refreshing (After literary every fantasy anime trying to squeeze some sort of demon waifu, and have demons as misunderstood) So, while I think evil race can be a nice thing, expanding on the topic and setting the story upon it is even better. Demons in freiren aren't just obstacles, a bunch of henchmen to kill in spectacular manner, but they serve a much greater role
Yeah I don't know what this guy is talking about. Guyladriel mercilessly kills a troll (who's only crime was being a troll in its natural habitat) and they use that scene to show off how badass she is, and she still brags about it later. On the other hand, Frieren has major reasons to be ruthless with demons, both emotional and rational. And even then she feels relieved when Aura further proves that she doesn't value or understand friendship just before killing her. One is a psychopath written by incompetent, mentally challenged writers. The other is a lovable and well written character. P.S. don't call the RoP character Galadriel, it can lead to confusion. That placeholder character has nothing to do with Tolkien's Galadriel.
Not really. She thinks though that demons are like animals, but she knows their potential to be dangerous. Galadriel kills just for the purpose of killing. She has killed other races, but for what reason? Frieren kills because her whole tribe was killed by demons and she witnessed so many people around her get killed by a demon. And they tried to give a chance to a demon before but it failed. That's the reason why, she doesn't give a chance to demons anymore.
Demons in freirens world are defined as a monster that has learned speech to only deceive and kill humans. They only understand emotions as a tool to manipulate
Randomly got that video on the home page. Stopped at " Watch at least the first episode of Frieren" - Ok buddy,lets see whats the whole fuss is about. Watched it. Then the second one...and so on and so forth. Thank you dude. I LOVE this anime.
Bruv it's almost ending now and I am gonna lose my shit when it does. I hope the same people make season 2. Obviously they can't end the adventure with 2 episodes and it's clear now that the anime about time is gonna take it's time. I just hope frieren S2 doesn't come back after 50 years 💀
@@HalIOfFamerFrieren Beyond Journey’s End pacing was amazing. It didn’t feel rushed or dragged. And they were able to fit on average an A and B plot to every episode. When I was watching some episodes, I felt like I watched the episode but it was only 10 minutes in. This isn’t a bad thing it’s just that the show is so good at pacing that it can make an episode feel like 2 without feeling too fast or boring. So honestly, this is a rare show that made me feel _satisfied_ like, it doesn’t make me feel like I’m waiting for something or feel empty about it. It’s hard to explain but it feels like a fulfilling warm meal.
@@pacificnebula4899 man I am jealous then. Even the episodes without any action felt like they were only 10 minutes long for me. The other day I rewatched an episode to see some details I've missed(the one where fern fights the blood mage demon) and it legitimately felt like it's 5 minutes. I am not a manga person, I prefer my japanese media animated and voiced. But I am seriously considering this as my 1st manga.
what sold me about frieren as a character is that even on 1st episode, she already won my heart. she looks kinda distant, aloof and kinda cold, but actually very caring though being an elf she is distant by default. and many dialogue and interaction says so too, with just small bits of her taking the initiative. so I guess she is cold, like during Himmel's burial, she still looks cold, but then when she actually suddenly cry, it just hits me hard. that's... oh my god remembering it already making me want to sob. I feel like that portrayal is kinda very human and relatable.
Exactly. Like they do an amazing job of immediately showing this elf character doesn't really seem to care too much about others, her relationship with her party isn't that meaningful, and then all of a sudden she's crying and it's just like.... "oh damn." Not even 15 minutes into the first episode and I was choking up. So far it's the absolute best example I know of on establishing characters and their relationships quickly and effectively
@@dyingearth [manga spoilers] at least she came back swinging by decoding Macht's transmutation magic that not even its user nor Serie could visualise
@@VioletEvergarden-zd5ovshe need 100 years to recover after her first fight with macht 500 years ago, but only took few weeks to uncode Diagolze using macht memory and experiencing diagolze first hand
If anything, how Freiren dealt with demons are much better than "let's give bad guys a chance too" because we got to see what their natures are and just how naive that thought is.
I love that part of it. There's no unnecessary drama like that because Frieren has lived long enough and is wise enough to know that shouldn't happen. I also love how she's "just as bad as the demons" in their eyes, by deceiving them with mana like how the demons deceive humans with words. If they don't play fair, why should we?
Orcs and uruk-hai are short sighted, scatter and aggressive to pose any significant threat without sauron leading them. The demons here are much stronger, cunning, and organized in small groups.
The first few episodes of Frieren were masterpieces. It was non stop heartbreak for me. Intense nostalgia for a story I haven't even seen. The "starting the story after the story has ended" plot has been done before, but with Frieren, they took it to another level. Also, it's kinda funny that Frieren is the coming of age story of a 1000 year old character.
You know, it's surprising to me now that I realize it, but I've never heard anybody describe it that way, and it's absolutely perfect: "The coming-of-age story of someone who's already lived for over a thousand years."
@@foogod4237 Not only that, but the coming of age story of someone that has already slain the dragon. Usually, slaying the dragon is how you come of age.
Something I appreciate about Frieren's character is that, at the start of her character arc, she doesn't understand humans, but it also doesn't seem like she looks down on them. She is truly detached rather than being cruel or heartless, and it makes her much more believable and likable.
I'm so sorry that you've had to upload this for the third time now. The only thing I disagree with is the criticism regarding Frieren's lack of mercy when it comes to demons as I think it makes for an interesting dynamic and I actually like the fact that the demons in her world are somewhat simplistic instead of being humanized, but it's such a great and beautiful video and even makes me want to watch Rings of Power just to appreciate how good Frieren is, lol.
The demons are a nice contrast to the current concept of making everything a shade of gray. Sometimes thinks are just straight forward. Demons are human devouring monsters. Predators evolve to become better predators. That's all the demons society and communication is. Sharpening of their fangs to better kill people. Frieren's mercilessness is shocking when we first see it, but like you said it makes for an interesting dynamic. Because she's right! There's simply no finding of common ground.
Exactly, and later on she explains that the fatal error in dealing with demons IS humanizing them which they directly confirm, they DON'T have human emotions and to deal with them in any other way is asking them to kill you.
They are kind of like skinwalkers. They are NOT like human, and in manga later it is explained masterfully how that works. They trully are just monsters able to mimick human behavioral patterns. They are evolution of mimics who's only goal is to lure people to their demise. And that's very interesting and something we never saw before, it really makes you think, feel for them a bit, and than reality hits - if you feel for them, you're dead.
There is an interesting distinction between the creations of Morgoth in Tolkien, and the Demons of Sousou no Frieren. In SnF, the Demons are a race of predators. Many look human, or at least humanoid, but it is very clear that they do not view themselves as being human. They explicitly mimic human behaviors and human language for the direct purpose, self-admitted, of rendering their prey more vulnerable. They are psychopaths, or in biological terms, aggressive mimic predators. In Tolkien, beings like Sauron and the Balrogs were Maiar, and followed Morgoth by choice, whereas beings like the Orcs, Trolls, and Dragons were creations of Morgoth, and it is implied that they were 'built evil' by design. I guess the question is, what does that mean? And then there is the debate over the origin of Orcs - there are conflicting descriptions of how they were made, and in at least one recounting, they were Elves twisted by Morgoth through long years of abuse, so its conceivable that Orcs might have some moral agency. One thing from Tolkien, buried fairly deep in the Silmarillion, is that 'true' living creatures, like Elves, Dwarves, and Men, were given souls by Eru Iluvatar. Presumably the creations of Morgoth don't have souls. We do know, from the story of the creation of the Dwarves by Aule, that the Valar could create life themselves, but only Eru could 'sanctify' that life. Getting back to the Rings of Power, we could ask how much Galadriel knows about this. We could also compare and contrast how the fight against Demons/Sauron affects the behavior of the protagonist. Frieren certainly is aggressive about exterminating Demons when presented with them, but otherwise doesn't go out of her way to destroy them, and seems to be perfectly happy living her life, pursuing simple pleasures. Galadriel has allowed her quest for vengeance to warp her behavior and her relationship with her own people as well as everyone she encounters. She badly needs a positive hobby.@@TheSmokingMustache
Kinda spoiler here but the main problem with Demon in Frieren world is, they just unable to understand "humanity", it's even feel like they're not made to be like that. Banishing demon is like exterminating virus, there is no peaceful way (at least for now)
Frieren is one of the most beautiful shows I've ever seen, and helped me out when I was in a dark time in my life. Just the character writing, animation quality and artwork, and music makes this my favorite anime of all time. It just hits differently as an older person I guess.
@@centripetal6157 I am also an older person, that's why the show hits so much harder. Let me guess, Studio Ghibli films are also generic standard trash? That's all this show is dude, it's as if Studio Ghibli directed a Tolkien sequel to LotR after Aragorn died.
@@centripetal6157 I'm younger and it's amazing. I'm happy I watched and really took something away from it that I have never really taken away from ... anything before. Maybe because I have lost people and even at a young age regret a lot of things. I don't know, but the series is amazing.
@@TheLycanStrain When did i say Studio Ghibli was trash??? I don't remember ever saying that. Frieren on the other hand... Is copy pasted generic fantasy slop with the lowest effort put into the story or characters. With most of the characters being overpowered magic characters that have robotic wooden personalities and fit into standard generic tropes found in 99% of anime. Maybe if studio Ghibli lost all creativity and just gave up on all interesting ideas or themes - making generic fantasy elf #30 the most overpowered character in a bland story where absolutely nothing mattered because magic solves every single problem and every mini story is pointless time wasting garbage with a billion flashbacks. At that point, then yes i would say its trash. Thankfully Studio Ghibli actually puts in effort and has interesting characters going through a journey.
@@MadelineMysterious Trust me... Everything you like about it has been done in 99% of other fantasy anime shows. Frieren is as generic and lazy as someone can get in fantasy anime. Its all copy pasted stuff - even the demon king story is a half assed rip off from Lord of the Rings with Sauron.
Frieren: Beyond Journey's End is a story that is based and runs with the literal message of "looking into another person perspective. The manga is all about how diferent cultures and circunstances (like age or race) makes a mental space, behavior and understanding of the world very VERY diferent from one another.
It's also what makes the demons interesting and relevant antagonists. They're entirely incapable of understanding the perspectives of humans/elves/dwarves/etc in anything other than the most transactional manner, and any attempt to understand the perspective of the demons will result in the demons manipulating that and using it against you. It's a fundamental divide in worldview that can only really result in conflict.
Even in the anime( im anime only) It shows you how it rubs onto each other. Spending time with frieren Slowly they started to realise how they were just a blimp in history and starts planning for legacy.(since its the only thing thwy can leave behind)
It's a coming of age story, but it tries to challenge that concept. A coming of age story implies a young character undertaking a huge task, and through its completion grown both in age and in character. But in Frieren, it's exactly backwards. The character is already old, in a way. She's already been through the big adventure, she's completed the huge task. But only now is she finally coming of age, by relieving her past instead of braving the future.
So far for me, the message I've taken from it is making the most of the time you have, and not taking the presence of the people around you for granted. It's a beautiful story though with a plethora of lessons for people to take away
@@dudeinadoughboy4327 Interesting take, and another contradiction. Frieren, an immortal elf, needs to make the most of her time. Seems like the writers tried packing as many contradictions as possible into this story.
Now that I think about it, its insane how likable the characters are right off the bat. Like, I'm talking 5 minutes in and I can already sympathize with the characters and their interactions.
I literally paused this video weeks ago to go watch Frieren finally after watching the intro and it just now came back into my recommended. lol. Thanks for giving me the final push. Its amazing.
I think what's so brilliant with Himmel and the flashbacks is we saw how much he meant to Frieren...and then he died. And _now_ we learn more about him, see how much he means to her, and it's just a reminder. "They're so close, Frieren is realizing how much he meant to her.... _but he's dead."_ Every time it's a small pang of grief seeing these moments, like how someone would mourn a friend who has passed on, with those happy memories feeling just a touch sad now.
It's interesting to think, that unlike many other series where someone is said to be an end level person of incredible power, in Frieren this is shown. It's clearly demonstrated that Frieren is an incredibly powerful person capable of fighting very powerful opponents. And so in extension the Demon Lord that needed a long quest and four such epic level characters to defeat must have been quite powerful indeed. Still, as the manga readers said, it's not like she's invulnerable or so. Rather she is traveling ever deeper in to Demon territory, with ever more dangerous beings. But the first ones she encounters are ones she's met before, the incredibly powerful mage she took years studying their magic and developing counters, the one who puppets other people who's she's fought before and she is well aware how they do things. Familiar encounters Frieren already has experience in to also help ease one in to the increasingly dangerous areas. So one can kind of guess that if the stories is good in this aspect like in the others, then they'll over time introduce more problematic beings to combat. For instance a powerful demon Frieren might not know the magic of, with strange properties or difficult to counter with what she knows so far, or perhaps just from an unexpected angle... There are many many options really. But one imagines there will be some quite dangerous beings, demons or otherwise, if only to better illustrate thus why a team of fighters was needed.
Excellent points, I'd like to add that it's not a problem if Frieren herself is never that vulnerable, Fern and Stark _are._ They're incredibly exceptional, but they're still mortal and well below Frieren in skill and power. It's like Saitama from One Punch Man: we already know he's going to win, but what about the guy next to him? What happens if someone actually lands a hit on King?
Also, another thing to add the Demon Z forgive me for not being able to spell the name the one that sealed in stone frieren wasn’t able to defeat him 80 years ago. It’s a good measure for her strength, She’s gotten stronger even After her 10 year journey.
As someone who's read it I'd say your assumption in the 3rd paragraph is pretty on point. The closer she gets to the end of her journey back to the Demon King's castle the harsher and more deadly enemies are. For example, enemies who she didn't need to worry about before for X reasons are now a massive hurdle and she definitely can't fight them alone.
@@Vespuchian Frieren though is still mortal since she can still die, it’s just she’s just so experienced beyond belief that her own wisdom and accumulated knowledge is her primary defense over pure power. Since pure power and skill in combat only takes you so far in Frieren. As is proven by Fern and Stark taking down massively more powerful demons by leveraging their own strengths and exploiting their weaknesses.
The reason why a party was needed was already brushed by in the anime. 1. Frieren's a powerful mage, but even the latest & most advanced defensive spell can be broken by sheer brute physical force. Eisen & Stark could probably shatter this era's defense spell. 2. Holy power is a talent and can't be learned (giving JJK vibes). Frieren, Fern & Stark (2 mages and 1 warrior) fell to a sleep curse, leaving only Sein, the priest, awake. 3. Even if Frieren is older, more experienced, and has greater mana, a teenager like Fern is faster in magic atk spd. Stark is probably faster than Frieren but with phys atk spd. If Frieren is caught unaware, someone with speed could kill her, both magic and physical attacks. With a party filled with different roles, they can cover each other's weaknesses. Regarding hidden dangers... we have this false sense of security that Frieren will beat everyone in the end because she's the main character, she's powerful, and she's at least 1000yrs old. "It's not that kind of story," some in the fandom might say. Most of the fandom will only accept Fern as the person who will beat Frieren in the end. We believe everything Frieren says because she has a millennia of experience. But if something is happening in the background that she does not expect, if she gets blindsided by powerful opponents... it could be her downfall. She's not the only being out there who's old and powerful. And not all of them are on the mortals' side like Serie is. And just like how she deceives demons by hiding her real mana for centuries, maybe demons can adapt and learn to deceive Frieren for centuries too. By definition, we are already aware that monsters and demons are capable of evolution. Although Frieren is trying to improve her understanding of mortals, she's still not there yet. Even in the anime, If given a choice, there are times where she wants to abandon towns and people in distress because it's a bother. The North has been embroiled in war with the remnants of the demon king's forces, and Frieren doesn't care. (I get it, she's 1000yrs old and we humans keep making the same mistake of warring. She also deserves her own way of life after her service in defeating the demon king.) Knowing what's in the manga though, there's something boiling underneath, but Frieren is more focused on her personal self-discovery journey than clues of the demons making a comeback.
The manga goes into how humans are often more powerful spell casters than elves. Frieren has a ton of mana and a lot of knowledge but the shorter life spans drives humans to be highly motivated(which allows them to master spells faster and to come up with new spells as well). Frieren basically collects tons of spell books because she isn't really capable to coming up with brand new spells on her own, and almost all those spells were developed by humans). So while she is certainly powerful she still travels with a party as she needs their help and they all carry their own.
Seeing this kinda makes me want to see a scenario where a human from modern time gets Isekai’d into the world of Frieren but as an elf and become a mage because while they’ll have a lot knowledge and likely learn a ton of spells since they have a long lifespan now. They likely would still have the mentality of a human which would make them want to learn things quicker and be highly motivated which would make that certain individual very powerful.
@@andrewsanusi8462 To be fair, a lot of people are kind of lazy. Like if you didn't have to pay bills and you lived forever, would you be doing something productive or just watching more youtube, playing games, and watches tv? I think if you are able a lot of people would take the slow elf approach.
@@Lilitha11 True, I think some people would likely end up becoming more lazy than they already are if they essentially became immortal. But I feel like by the time they reach 120 they would eventually get bored of living the lazy life and go out and see the world, I know I would’ve.
@@andrewsanusi8462 Frieren does go around seeing the world though. And in fact, casually traveling around and seeing the sights is the lazy 'elf' way. The human way is more sitting in a room and studying twelves hours a day, then when you go outside it is just to test and practice the magic you been researching. If you visit the town to try their food and see the interesting culture and stuff like that, that is the 'lazy' path in this context. If you travel to train and hone your skill and you never stop to smell the roses, then that is the 'hard working' path, in this context. This isn't really being lazy, since you are expanding your awareness and becoming a more well rounded person but traveling around sight seeing and passively learning of the world is much different than the intense training and focus that human mages do in the setting.
Frieren's fight with Aura is, in my opinion, one of the best played-out fights in anime. Not just because of the action, which is brief, brutal, and "real". The scope of the fight is clearly laid out: it will be a fight between mana tanks, because of Aura's peculiar magic object which is always described as dangerous, so you know it could and will backfire, but Aura is presented as having a lot of mana, even more than Frieren by Lugner, before they reveal the limiting mana trick. They also have Frieren "waste" her mana purifying the zombies instead of slaying them (showing her character development) to create more tension. it's a paradox but Frieren would've been more in danger if Aura actually fought alongside her army instead of waiting to use the scales. Instead, she wanted Aura to use them and made her play her part until the end.
The Fight is like comparing a Jackie Chan fight and a Duel between 2 Samurai in old Japanese film. One has a drawn out fight with a lot of visual spectacular moves, and the other fight is 2 sword wielding Samurai who look at each other for a minute, and end the fight with no more than 2 strikes, and bloods flying everywhere.
I saw the outcome from a mile away, but I was impressed by how well the Aura fight worked anyway. It didn't need surprise or suspense to work brilliantly. At that point, we know how Aura's scales work, that Frieren's stronger than Aura (as she told Draht in the prison fight), and that Frieren suppresses her mana and beats demons by feigning weakness. Then she fights Aura and wins by feigning weakness, suppressing her mana, and being stronger than Aura just as she claimed. It went exactly as telegraphed. This arc was all about introducing Frieren's demon hunter side, layer by layer, so we understand why and how she fights. The capstone fight just needed to deliver on the glimpses and promises made throughout the arc by finally showing us "Frieren the Slayer" in action.
Noooo. They killed it again. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm here again to support the idea, video, and the Anime. This time it has to work. Don't be let down, you got this.
An angry Mary Sue is still a Mary Sue. It's just a version that's infused with the writer's spite that everyone irl doesn't instantly bow down to their "obvious" superiority (classic inferiority complex in the writer coming through the character). Setting that minor difference in opinion aside, this is a great analysis RT. You've convinced me to start watching Frieren right after I finish your video here 👍
Actually, no, that's kinda exactly what a "Mary Sue" is not. Generally, the defining characteristics of a "Mary Sue" character include the fact that they are beloved by everyone (except possibly one main antagonist, etc), have no character flaws, and never do anything wrong. (That's basically what the term means.) So a bitter/angry/etc Mary Sue is actually _not a Mary Sue,_ pretty much by definition. (That doesn't mean it isn't a badly written character, just that it's actually a _different kind_ of badly-written character.)
@foogod4237 at best, that would be a technicality. Writing labels are not so rigid that you can escape them with a technicality. In this case, however, I can't even grant you that much, because it would require Guy-ladriel's anger to be portrayed as a character flaw, which it is not. The writers here present it as righteous fury and make sure that she's always vindicated in the end. It's the world, not their character, that's at fault. So you don't get to claim it as an intended character flaw and thus don't escape the "Mary Sue" label. This is just what a Mary Sue looks like when written by toxic, spiteful people.
@@serpentinious7745Except that's just not true. Multiple characters point out that she's wrong (Elendil calls her childish, Gil-Galad says she'll bring about the very evil she's trying to destroy, Adar calls her just as corrupted as he is, even Sauron tells her to chill out). In the end, she's guilty of nursing Sauron himself back to health and putting him in charge of Mordor, which Sauron is quick to point out. She's clearly a "girl boss"-type of character, which does make her awful to watch, but she's not a Mary Sue.
@Nethan2000 You're too focused on the "everybody loves Mary Sue" quality. Far more important, and far more prevalent, is the "Mary Sue is better than everyone at everything" aspect. As I said before, this is what a Mary Sue looks like when written by a bitter, spiteful narcissistic. Just like how a standard MS writer wants validation through love, a spiteful MS writer wants validation through putting doubters in their place. Both are the projections of extremely insecure writers, with the primary difference being that the latter is also a highly toxic individual.
I wish that anime companies would stop copyright-striking people who review or talk about their stuff, it's videos like these that get me interested in watching those anime. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.
@@zaphoddog3878 It's less bout anime companies, than Japanese culture in general. Nintendo swings the copyright hammer wildly too. They have different understanding of intellectual property.
Himmel may as well be the most important character in the anime. Throughout the anime it's revealed piece by piece how he has already changed Frieren's worldview and lifestyle during their adventure. But he's doing the same once again beyond his death. His presence transcends his life & death. The anime doesn't explain everything literally either leaving the audience to speculate and figure out things themselves. If you just think a bit about it the purpose of the statues become clear as day but the anime doesn't even touch upon the subject just showing the effect.
This is also shown in how the framing for episodes is "28/29 years after the death of Himmel the Hero, at this location". It shows his impact on a major scale, how his life and death is now a marked point in history; and on a personal scale, since his passing is what motivates Frieren on the journey we watch.
After watching the first episode of frieren I thought it did the best job capturing the feeling of awe and wonder that is felt in the lord of the rings. Phenomenal show
One of the big things I love about Sousou No Frieren is that it doesn't need drama to carry the plot forward, something you kinda highlighted near the start of the video. It's a very human show and something I think anime really needed. There is drama between the characters later in the show, specifically between 2 characters (those who've watched Frieren know which 2 I am talking about 😆 ), but it doesn't lead to some massive, violent conflicts but rather to some very heartfelt and humane moments that just make us love the characters more.
It's ironic that ROP's pathetic effort to create a Mary Sue Warrior Princess Galadriel that they reduced her original power from Tolkien's various narratives. Galadriel was always a powerful character. She was the most fair, the most wise, and most powerful of the elves in Middle Earth. She had grace and poise and was respected or feared by others. ROP Galadriel is a blundering spoiled brat making mistake after mistake. She pisses people off left, right, and center. Her own soldiers mutiny against her and her king wants to get rid of her. She's graceless, rude, and arrogant. She'd be a good villain but most villains have some kind of charm to make them appealing. She's also as unwise as you can get. She can't see that Sauron was right next to her the whole time and she drags him back to Middle Earth and into the secret Elven project so he could get his evil little hands on everything. On top of that, she doesn't tell anyone that Sauron is back! Nearly every bad thing that happened and is going to happen is her fault! I think she only appeals to sociopathic narcissists who see themselves in her (major red flag!), Overall, though, given how little ROP resembles the world, characters, and themes of Tolkien I think we aren't even seeing bad fanfic but the attempt to take a lackluster fantasy story no one would pay attention to and cram it into an existing property with a well-established fan base in order to make some money.
An Interesting thing they could have done with the Rings of Power is have Finrod's character pretty much follow the original character with a huge emphasis on his love for humans while Galadriel remains as this kind, stoic yet naive girl. When Finrod dies protecting his friend Beren, Galadriel would go on a journey to the world to know and understand what made her brother love and care for the lesser beings. Eventually at the end of her journey, she becomes the kind and wise Galadriel that we know. Heck, if you want to add Sauron then have him manipulate the events during Galadriel's journey where he would showcase to her to worst sides of the lesser beings to show to her than they are wild, chaotic and without order thus needing them to be ruled and controled for order.
thanks for battling to keep this up. i can only imagine how frustrating and tiring its been for you, and i appreciate your hard work in reworking and reuploading this, all the while keeping your humour and positivity. this is a really damn good video essay, and it's the third time i've added it to my bookmarks.
18:50 I'm only 5 episodes into Frieren but you were doing so good about not spoiling anything significant, I got comfortable with watching all the way through. But this spot feels like a big spoiler... Idk, maybe it's not as significant as it looks. I won't truly know until I get here. But it came as a major shock to me to see as somebody who's only watched 5 episodes so far. I would've really appreciated a firmer warning before going into this kind of stuff, albeit I suppose I have to take at least some of the blame for making the mistake of watching an analysis video before finishing a series. Still, I could've sworn you said in the beginning that the spoilers you talk about wouldn't be anything more than what you'd find in a synopsis of the plot... maybe I misunderstood.
I have seen the first one. And I liked it. I like the director's cut XD. I hope it can stay. And that you will do this analysis of episode 10 of Frieren one day 😉
Glad Asmon was able to add so little to your video that I came here to watch the actual video so I didn't get his pointless interruptions. Awesome comparison!
Huh, so it took some time, but finally found this video again!!! I wanted to come back for YOUR video specifically (as Your's one was the one that brought this absolute gem of an anime into my attention) to say huge THANK YOU for making this!! I had not heard about this anime before, and actually it has been a while ago since I last watched any, so I am so so grateful to You as this is truely a great experience!
Frieren uses flashbacks so well. Rings of Power almost don't use any. But the main problem in RoP is that the characters are so purely written that you can't really do anything.They don't know how to tell a story. They managed to make the mines of Moria boring. It can't be saved. I love Frieren so much that I bought all the mangas. It revived the anime adventure genre. I hope it will win anime of the year this year. It has everything: a good story, good sountrack, good character development, character design, OP moments, and emotional moments, good fights. ❤
Watching a third time to spite these jerks! You did a wonderful job with this and it is getting people to watch this show who never would have otherwise! (Me!)
About demons, Frieren said "The demon owns the word but does not understand it" and in episode 16, demon said that the word Mom is a magic word that saves from people. It was smart and wonderful.
Spoilers The manga later further explores that concept with a demon who struggles to understand the words "evil" and "guilt" so much that goes to great lengths to understand those words.
@@hoangnguyennguyen1032 Add to the spoiler: there was a demon who basically went through the darker route of frieren journey to find humanity. Spent several centuries to understand ideas such as "evil" "love" and "fear" but even in the end can never truly understand these concepts.
Honestly one of the little things I enjoyed is how they give the growing characters (Fern and Stark) their own spotlights. While Fern doesnt have the control and mana Frieren has, Fern excels at quick casting where Freiren lets her deal with many monsters as its "quicker" that way. Stark was hinted at surpassing his master by him essential enducing a fearful reflex that ultimately injured Stark (not to mention showing off both of their flaws with fear showing true strength in faving their fears head on).
I liked your original video. It convinced me to watch Frieren as I read a few chapters before and thought it wasn't for me. But then I gave the anime a shot after your video and now I like it.
Lately I’ve been diving into the Frieren rabbit hole: From Frieren’s core theme of time and friendship to how this show has revived the fantasy genre, there is so many topics that relate to this show that I feel like my brain will explode. Frieren looks like just another anime, but if you spend the time to look deeper, you can find or make a 100 video essays on it! I literally feel like I can make an A+ English project based on this show.
Btw technically Frieren was made by one person and the anime fallows the manga to a tee. We’re as rings of power was written by a team of people and had to be approved afterwards for tv. How did this story make it past the executives
The reason why Frieren works soooo well is because of the cast! All of them are masterpiece works that help to exuberate each others humanities. FKN HIMMEL'S PRESENCE IS SO AMAZING LITERALLY WHENEVER HE'S ON SCREEN IT EVOKES AN EMOTION OF WARMTH AND FRIENDSHIP....Where is that in Galaderiel? We got FERN/STARK/FLAMME(one of the greatest characters in the anike imho)/Even Serie.....It's just a great anime
About frieren being OP She literally spend her waking days training such as (Mimic 1% gacha,Collecting Weird Book,Spending money lavishly,And mana training) that's how frieren never seems to struggle
I think a lot of "mainstream" writers - the Hollywood-touched or similar - often follow a formula that might've worked a few decades ago. Hero goes swish swish stab and gives quips and does hero stuff. But the modern media enjoyer wants depth, character, complexity, motivation. Yes, we still want the spectacle, but we want a connection. Especially in this era where we're the most and - ironically - the least connected we've ever been. Technology has opened up the world, but also shut us in our homes before various screens. We seek that connection. Nay, even crave it.
1:12 Appreciate your effort and no disrespect, but we already had a likable Galadriel, the one in the books and original TLOTR movies by Peter Jackson...which is what made her awful character assassination in Rings of Power a lot worse.
Amazon really has a hard on with this video. Unlike other reviews that only focus on the oozing wokeness of the Rings of Power. This review not only show that RoP is just a plain bad show. But shows a better thoughtful show through Sousou no Freiren.
I dont think reediting and clarification of your points will help you. Angryjoe complains often that his negative tv show reviews are taken down willy nilly all the time. Positive ones stay, so reediting wont change anything in my opinion. I found your channel thanks to asmon when you reuploaded this the first time. Good content and I hope they wont delete this one.
The clarification is not really for copyright purposes. I think the main issue was really the example clips where I'm not talking, so I got rid of most of those. But while I was there, I needed to rephrase a few things, add some content that was brought up to me in the comments and added a spoiler warning to those who missed it the first time. Just a bit of clean up while I'm at it.
@@RoamingTrendIt's still crazy that they try to claim a few seconds you pause to breath makes it a substitute for the original content. This isn't some random company It's Amazon, they know what they are configuring their take downs for, they are fully admitting other people talking about their products are more interesting then their products.
@@VioletDeathRei These sorts of things generally aren't actually done by Amazon (or other production companies) themselves. They're all outsourced to other "copyright enforcement" companies, which just use automated scanning to detect anything that looks like it might conceivably be a violation of any of their thousands of intellectual properties in their list, and then send out takedowns, usually without any human ever even looking at it...
20:15 There are total of 11 mages Frieren has lost to over the course of her life. And I can assure you that one of them will make an appearance in the next season. It is the next Major Story Arc, and it is hands down, the most acclaimed Frieren Story Arc up to date.
No, no, you don't get it. She's not supposed to be flawed. I mean, she is, but it's not intentional. The writers wanted to write a perfect female action hero, so she is a MarySue.
They basically want a Girl Boss who is treated badly by everyone around her because she is perfect and the whole world has conspired against her to not acknowledge her obvious superiority over them all. A relatively modern mainstream feminist take that needs female characters to be superior, misunderstood and mistreated. Even the righteous anger theme is in service of this big picture. On the other hand, every OP badass character is female in Frieren, yet, it goes beyond just focusing on that narrow aspect of reality to tell a more human story. Feminists in the West need to spend some time studying female leads in fiction from other cultures to properly understand how to achieve what they want.
4:15 PS Finrod's name isn't even mentioned on the show nor is it on the Amazon "xray". The only way you would know his name is in the books... The Rings Of Power failed to even give Galdrial's brother a name.
20:00 Man, you will be blown away once the ss2 came out, because it contains the arc that resolve all the problems you have with how Frieren interacting with demon
I came here to support your efforts to get this video out from under such ridiculous copyright claims. I saw your content on Asmongold TV's channel and went over to watch your video first only to see it was unlisted and blocked. So here I am. Keep up the hard work! It's appreciated by others that you didn't give up.
Frieren acts like a child because she is in elf terms, galadriel acts like a spoilt child even tho shes meant to be an adult elf. In terms of power, knowledge, and skill . . . i felt like galadriel wasted 1000+ years and has barely learnt anything whilst frieren is overpowered which you should be if your an elf and have ample time to learn and master your class. Heimel was not fleshed out as a character on the first episode so you dont care much for his death but gets attention on flash backs within multiple episode basically going deeper and deeper into his relationship with Frieren, as for Finrod . . . after the first episode hes pretty much forgoten 3 or 4 episodes later making him irrelevant and eroding the galadriel's whole reason for revenge.
Frieren isn't invincible tho. Frieren mentioned that she's lost 11 times to people who have lower mana than her. 6 of whom were human. And that's just a specific category. There could be more losses she's had. And her being this powerful isn't surprising. She was part of the part that destroyed the demon lord, was trained by the woman known as the "Greatest mage in history", and has lived for thousands of years. And even then, Serie described that Frieren is relatively unskilled for someone her age.
Great video. Never watched the Ring of Power, but Frieren is a great show. Frieren is not just overpowered, but she downplays it and she has her weaknesses. Plus all the other characters get fleshed out. The series also uses flashbacks in a very good way. All in all a pleasure to watch.
@@RoamingTrend I know. I just found it funny that you wrote short. On a side note. Why is Ubel hot? I hate (I don't really mean this) how beautiful she is, but her personality is horrible. I don't know if I can waifu her, so I'll waifu Serie instead.
@@crosscirfians6236 Übel is that forbidden fruit character. You are always curious how it would be to follow her along, but very often she reminds you of how dangerous that idea might be, with how she reveals she's trying to form a connection just to steal your ability. Four-eyes seems to be the only one equipped to handle her shenanigans with his stoicness and of course, his unique power.
Literally every chapter of the Frieren manga starts with "N years have elapsed since Her Himmel's passing..." He literally never leaves the story because they're dating it from his death.
On your conclusion, I actually couldn't care less if Frieren is challenged martially or not. Because this is not a hero's journey in the traditional sense - we already had that. That was the quest where Himmel's party defeated the Demon King. Frieren is arguably a case of an almighty protagonist used effectively well, because her strength accentuates the story while never being enough to handle it. Without spoiling, the anime has recently been covering an arc which has a bit more conflict, yet Frieren remains an almighty character. And yet, the stakes remain incredibly high at points, in no small part because the writers are creative with what is at risk. Frieren's journey beyond journey's end is not to do good and to become a great mage. It is to thaw, to unravel her own flaws and make sense of this beautiful life she has lived and still can live. For the age after the hero Himmel, the best may be yet to come
I never actually read the LotR books, so take this for what it's worth. But I was always confused as to why Galadriel was even in the movies. Her presence does absolutely nothing other than to show the elves aren't a single nation. But even that wasn't important for the story.
It actually started with the Hobbit, not the LotR trilogy. The Elf Characters you thought was not important in the Movie Trilogy has more relanvance if you also read the Hobbit.
I don’t mind if Frieren mostly because this is treated basically as an epilogue, the demon king’s army is defeated and the rest are either trying to grow to fill in the power vacuum or are being hunted down so it’d make sense to not have a lot of powerful enemy in an era of peace
Come to think of it, by the time Galadriel would have found out about her brother's death and the timing between his departure must have been centuries if she was already grown. I would posit that it was at least 200-500 years from his departure that he died for her to be as "mature" looking as she was in "elf" years. Unless they age like humans until adults then just pause for a few thousand years. The writers had PLENTY of in-story time to build up his importance to her, whether it was trips home, every few decades, or even letters. From what I have seen(not watching the show), he left when she was a girl, died when she was an adult, but it was played off as if it was within 10-20 years within the first 15 minutes of the first episode. Even considering that, it is a long time to just let a character die off without any development. Its almost as if an entire season could have been made about his journey and her relationship with him. But, the writers were too dimwitted to think about that. As for Frieren, it makes a lot of sense once you watch it more. Lets just say, one lesson pointed out is, don't exist on your one big accomplishment. In time, your 15 minutes of fame will be over, soon you will be forgotten. Watch the show to understand. I think it perfectly frames modern internet culture of all things.
Simple, because Rings of Power prioritize the "mystery boxes" over the characters themselves. They assume that the audience will get invested just because the main lead has a well-known name (Galadriel) and the entire revenge plot is enough to convince the audience that she loved and looked up to her brother.😅 It's so weird that we get more information about the "mysterious symbol on Finrod's body," the mysterious evil looking sword hilt or the absurd mithril backstory but when it comes to character who needs backstory the most, they provided none. It's more tragic and personal loss though in the extended lore. Unlike in ROP, Galadriel's brother didn't left for Middle Earth when she's a kid. Morgoth, the big bad, actually killed Galadriel's grandfather and stole her uncle's Silmarils. This is the main reason why the Noldor elves rebelled against the Valar and decided to go to Middle Earth but before they can leave as a group, Galadriel's a hole and selfish uncle who also happen to be their new king, started a bloody kinslaying with Galadriel's mother's people and all of this events obviously saddened Galadriel. Galadriel and her brother(s) have lots of time hanging out in Valinor and she's with Finrod in Doriath and maybe exchanged letters lol when he moved to Nargothrond. Also, notice how the show wanted to be always grandeus and epic about everything. Her revenge plot is all that matters to her and this one symbol and her dagger is all she thinks about. Heck, even finding her husband doesn't really matter to her. The only important person in her life is her deceased brother, the problem is that we as an audience don't understand why. Why can't she have normal relationships with other elves. We can see how she belittled and accused Elrond and how she's quick to threaten others when she's refused or not taken seriously. That's why she's an overall unlikeable character. She didn't want to be liked lol, her character wanted to be hated.
I guess while we're bringing the lore into it, one of the myriad things that annoy us about this is that Rings of Power season 1 allegedly takes place in the Second Age, while Galadriel was born before the First Age. She is (or at least should be) a few millennia old by now, and been quite socially active in that time. There's no reason whatsoever for her to be behaving like a temperamental brat, aside from that being the writers' idea of what a "Strong Female Character (tm)" looks like. Meanwhile, while we don't know exactly how old Frieren is, we do know that she has spent a good chunk of that life alone, and when she was living with people they weren't exactly the most mature of folks (Himmel's group had their share of eccentricities; and Flamme was more of a master/apprentice relationship than something more personal, plus judging by the potion remark she wasn't the best influence either), so her immaturity despite her advanced age makes some sense. That and judging from how much older Kraft appears to be it could be that in this show's case Elves just take that long to develop.
frieren tried to make my wet my eyes from just 1 episode and it works, Galadriel on the other hand doesn't even get to have meaningful flashbacks with her brother and it stinks watching this wreck the writer of that show made
16:05 actually it would have been better that way. since they chose to take the route of humanizing Sauron. the issue is: they tried to build Galadriel and Sauron aka Halbrand to have a relationship, but when that twist about Sauron Halbrand came, Galadriel don't feel like someone who actually cared about missing her friendship with Halbrand. When it came to her, what did she do? Point sword at him? and then they scream at each other? If Halbrand had been truly important to Galadriel, there will be the phases of grief, no? The bargaining, or even trying to change Sauron for the better. Because she genuinely cares! This is the same issue with Finrod, in which we don't really feel that these 2 have a close sibling relationship.
I actually found it very refreshing that the demons in Frieren were full blown sociopaths completely devoid of redeeming qualities. I've seen enough shonen anime or Hollywood superhero movies to get MORE than enough villains or monsters with unlikely humanization or that last second miraculous change of heart. I was more along the lines of "F*cking finally we get cool monsters we don't have to feel a single inch of remorse for! Go full GTA on their asses Frieren!!1!" Great video though!! Very well put words!
There's a bit later on that does put a bit more perspective and sympathy on the demon's side of things, but doesn't compromise them all needing to die. It's handled rather masterfully, actually. I hope the anime gets to show that point before too long.
@@facundomontivero2299 I wouldn't necessarily credit the show for this, but I can see demons being "loli with horns" working here. Since it is established demons rely on trickery/manipulation to get humans to lower their guard, I can believe some demons started looking more like attractive humans to adapt to that purpose. (Not crediting the show since that's not established, just my headcanon, but since we see demons ranging from "loli with horns" to more demonic-looking ones like Qual, I think it makes some sense.)
Frieren is special because it's a journey to see her friends and mentor's legacy affecting the future for betterment, and that is a hopeful message, she will be the only one left to be witness and experience it. On the other hand, Tolkien talks about destructive consequences that linger, they will be never truly go away. Galadriel witnesses the passing of age of trees, wars of Melkor, the last alliances, her people's bravado and failure, and losing the last ounce of power to maintain her realm. She will eventually gives up on her ambition. It's a long journey of seeing miracle things crumble, supposing greater than life characters passing, just as the great calamity created them. If there is anything i like from these elves, it's the eternal somberness around them. Nothing lasts long but everything somehow feels quite the same. I don't think ring of power ever captures that trait. It's never about Galadriel being right, being wrong, being angry, being sorry, being ambitious about middle earth, and fail to keep it. It's rather about how she faces/solve them in grace with long honed wisdom. She learns, she lives. She is a hero in that sense.
Great work here, man! U made me realize some aspects of why the directors of Sousou no Frieren choose to do some scenes that way and how that was important to construction of the history
Honestly I was so relieved when I saw Frieren went the route of demon's actually just being pure unempathetic evil. The "oh the evil race isnt actually all evil and some are good!" thing is starting to get old and tiring, imo at least.
Frieren already said in the anime that she's lost 11 times to opponents with less mana than her (including 6 times to humans). This sets her up nicely to (possibly) be defeated or at least be faced with difficulty.
She's been shown to be vulnerable to magic that induces sleep so that's a weakness on the books.
Which episode did she say that?
@@RebirthOfJack Around ep 16-17 if I'm remembering, right before they arrive Ausserst.
@@RebirthOfJack I think it's the one where they reach Aberst or whatever the place is called where they take the first class exam
@@FringeSpectre it's a curse, different to human magic, those are mostly used my demons/monsters that's why she couldn't defend against it and also why only the goddess magic can dispel it
Even with the fight with Aura, it was hinted that Frieren was second guessing her action about killing demons ultimately realizing that she's right on treating them as monsters because that's what they truly are when Aura shows that shes nothing more than a unemphatic monster.
i think it was during the fight with macht that she actually said that, thanks to the personality and personal admissions of the demon, she didnt have doubts in killing for the very first time
@@maxtech226eyy, not yet on anime there
And what Roaming Trend may be forgetting - or willfully ignoring to make a point - is that Aura's not just a demon, she's incredibly dangerous.
All those armour suits are people she's enslaved with her Scale, mere suits because she's held them so long their bodies have rotted away. And that army's there to annihilate the town after her cronies figure out how to disable the barrier around it.
Even if demonkind had any capacity at all for decency, Aura was a threat that needed to die, and Frieren knew from past experience - with demons in general and with Aura - to have no remorse.
Edited for grammar tisms.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 Actually, at least in the anime (haven't read the Manga) the scene implies Aura had them behead themselves hence that's how she herself dies.
@@Hamakua I only remembered that after typing this, you are correct there. And she beheads them because someone with sufficient willpower can resist the scale, so she doesn't want to take the chance.
Though the rest of my point remains, it is firmly established that Aura was too dangerous to spare.
One of the main differences is that Frieren's journey is not one of revenge, but of mourning
the main difference is that Frieren is just plan better in every aspect of story telling and character Development
The main difference is that Frieren and Amazon's Steaming Pile of Garbage shouldn't even be in the same conversation. The fact that rings of power has a 7/10 on IMDB is already way more than it deserves.
The difference is that Amazon raped Tolkiens work with uninspired writers, dog shit actors, and woke garbage
I agree with the other replies, we are giving the Amazon knockoff a lot more credit than it deserves.
The thing is, Frieren’s journey is more than mourning. It’s her journey of discovering the essence of humanity. Throughout her life, she has been alone and didn’t understand the appreciation of life. But with her second party consisting of Stark and Fern, she slowly grasps what Himmel meant to her. And her mindset changes slowly, where you can see Frieren taking care of Fern and Stark far more intimately than her first party.
What’s wrong with revenge
(7:00) You had mentioned you didn't know what Eisen's major flaw is there.
I think Eisen's major flaw is that he's a bit of a coward. Despite being really strong, he lacks the boisterous, fearless energy that we expect from dwarves. Instead, he's easily intimidated and literally shakes before combat. He's even intimidated by his own student, Starck, to such and extent that he ends up striking him in instinctual self-defense....so hard that Starck just straight up walks away.
Anyway, that's my take on Eisen. He's still a lovable character because he ends up overcoming his fears at least for the Demon King battle and he serves as a good anchor for Starck to come home to.
I think the point with that note was that _that particular shot_ shows all their flaws visually at the same time (except, it doesn't really show anything about Eisen, except that he's shorter than everyone else). That annotation was obviously also clearly intended mostly as a joke...
But I also think it could be argued that that specific scene also shows Eisen as sort of hunched up and turned to the side, basically in his own world, while everyone else is enjoying themselves and interacting with each other. In this regard I think it does actually convey more about his character than is obvious at first glance, too...
(And Eisen being intimidated/afraid of Stark is not just because Eisen is a coward. It's because Stark's own nature (to those who can actually perceive it) is _just that scary._ This becomes pretty clear once you realize that _a freaking dragon_ had exactly the same sort of instinctual panic reaction after just coming face-to-face with him, too.)
all the Hero Party has flaw, a Stoic Elf Frieren, A Coward Warrior Eisen, an Alcoholic Priest Heiter and a Fake Hero Himmel.
Frankly, I find this the best think about him. It feels very real because I know I would be damn scared.
As a Tolkien hardcore fan this review makes me sad yet youre on point. Rings of Power is just a travesty to Tolkien's work. It makes so many awesome characters like Finrod and Galadriel so boring and unispired.
I mean, Firod in Tolkien's lore was the first elf to befriend humans, he was the first elf to see the mortality of man, the first elf to see someone dying without wounds, of old age. He abandoned everything, a life of peace in the land of the gods, out of loyalty to his cousins from the house of Feanor in exile. Finrod died protecting his human friend Beren, not in some random ass battle with Sauron.
Why would it make you sad? The capitalists are everything Tolkien was opposed to. Evil cant create it only corrupts so its expected that they would try to corrup Tolkiens work.
Let us do our part to make sure the book Firod is remembered.
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They are socialists though, at least they are catering to the progressive public
@@vampirecount3880neo liberalism don't really care about making good stories about so called woke ideas, they just want to be perceived as such to make money
@@vampirecount3880no they are totally making those sequel purely out of greed which is 100% capitalist behavior. Read Marx to see what socialism is really about before talking
Its just that they are targetting progressive public because they are financed by those lobby and get bonus money when they do thing like that
A true fellow Tolkien fan!!! 😭 I’m so sick of other fans defending the show even though they have read Tolkien’s works. It’s disrespectful to the legend himself!
I really enjoyed your visual analysis of Himmel and Frieren. Frieren's adoration towards Himmel can also be shown just from the fact that she "counts" the passage of time *specifically* based on how long its been since Himmel himself died. His absence is so impactful to her that she forgoes convention specifically to note how long its been since she lost him. Likewise, Himmel may come off as vain, but the fact that behind that vanity, he requested so many statues of himself to be around the kingdom, knowing he wouldn't share even a portion of Frieren's lifespan, all so she wouldn't be alone in her travels in the future, is the biggest declaration of love, imo. Frieren as a show does an amazing job at showing just how much Frieren and Himmel loved and impacted each other's lives.
If you like this video, you'll love my next one. Will be talking about Frieren's writing and visual storytelling.
@@RoamingTrend As a film/creative writing major, I’ll definitely be anticipating the new video analysis, then!
@chamii-p7248 I probably won't say anything new then if wr studied the same things. 😅
@@RoamingTrend lmfaooo dw, I would still enjoy it regardless. I like seeing how others put together pieces of a narrative and come to their own conclusions about it. Plus, don’t give me too much credit-I hadn’t noticed during the funeral that Frieren was framed specifically with an empty space where Himmel should’ve been standing. So trust, you’ll definitely be presenting interesting info lmao.
The _series_ marks the passage of time based on Himmel's death, but that does not necessarily mean that _Frieren_ does. In fact, it is strongly implied at many points that Frieren has been around for so long that she's basically all but given up on counting the passage of time at all (even after Himmel's death)...
To her, it doesn't really matter whether it's been 20 years or 200 years since Himmel died. Himmel is still dead either way. There's no point in counting the time that's passed since an event you can't change anyway. All she can do is move forward, on her own, and maybe come to understand more about what she ended up leaving behind her, without even realizing it...
I can't help but tear up whenever i see himmel in flashback.. He's such a good character and the anime kinda makes me feel like I'm one of the villager that himmel saved.. One thing that i wish we can see is himmel actually fighting, for now w just see a frame and that little demon that he killed..
Would you want spoilers? If not then I won’t comment
your wish is fulfilled in the manga.
Hard to spoil but in the manga, theres a fight that shows that Himmel is literally built differently
I'm the same, I'm not an emotional person but this show has flawed me. When he was old, seeing his cabinet become more and more empty as he had sold things off but had kept his memento of Frieren and his friends or the flashbacks like when he was unfazed by being unable to pull the hero's sword. Can't remember a show that has kept me as gripped as this one.
Actually, I think this is another great aspect of the storytelling. To everyone else in the world, he is Himmel the Hero, the man who led them all into battle and defeated the Demon Lord. But to Frieren, and the others who travelled with him, in their memories, that doesn't even really matter at all. That's actually one of the _least_ noteworthy things about the man they knew. They alone knew that his true value as a person came from things that had nothing to do with his combat ability, or even his role as the Hero, at all. What they inevitably end up looking back on are all the other things: The times around the campfire, his surprising insights, his reassuring kindness, or his simple joy at being able to enjoy a sunset, or a simple field of flowers, with his friends...
But of course, those are also all memories of him that soon enough, nobody but Frieren will even remember at all...
Frieren also takes moments to dedicate to the other characters so we can gain a better understanding of them as well. From what I understand, Rings of Power really doesn't take the time to give those same kind of moments to the supporting cast.
Aside from Halbrand 😂
Nah they make Sauron and the orcs more sympathetic than the elves. It’s actually impressive.
19:00 I don't think Frieren ever thought that killing demon as some revenge method, let alone who more merciful
While Galadriel deem her vengent to the demon as battle of equal being, Frieren- on the other hand- deem her demon massacre as killing some wild beast that trying to bite her (sooner or later)
So you can not assimilate the killing demon of Frieren to the killing demon of Galadriel, because those are two completely different actions for two completely different purposes
only part about video where i had some concerns lol
Yeah in freiren's world you just don't humanise demons.
and honestly. I feel like fantasy world having purley evil race is really refreshing (After literary every fantasy anime trying to squeeze some sort of demon waifu, and have demons as misunderstood)
So, while I think evil race can be a nice thing, expanding on the topic and setting the story upon it is even better.
Demons in freiren aren't just obstacles, a bunch of henchmen to kill in spectacular manner, but they serve a much greater role
Yeah I don't know what this guy is talking about. Guyladriel mercilessly kills a troll (who's only crime was being a troll in its natural habitat) and they use that scene to show off how badass she is, and she still brags about it later.
On the other hand, Frieren has major reasons to be ruthless with demons, both emotional and rational. And even then she feels relieved when Aura further proves that she doesn't value or understand friendship just before killing her.
One is a psychopath written by incompetent, mentally challenged writers. The other is a lovable and well written character.
P.S. don't call the RoP character Galadriel, it can lead to confusion. That placeholder character has nothing to do with Tolkien's Galadriel.
Not really. She thinks though that demons are like animals, but she knows their potential to be dangerous. Galadriel kills just for the purpose of killing. She has killed other races, but for what reason? Frieren kills because her whole tribe was killed by demons and she witnessed so many people around her get killed by a demon. And they tried to give a chance to a demon before but it failed. That's the reason why, she doesn't give a chance to demons anymore.
Demons in freirens world are defined as a monster that has learned speech to only deceive and kill humans. They only understand emotions as a tool to manipulate
Her epithet is literally Frieren the Slayer, I think that already says enough.
I'm sorry to hear the last 2 got taken down, hopefully, 3rd times a charm.
It’s almost 3 months now. I think it’s working
utube is mega shifty.. with all bs take downs they save tons of $$$ n also makes heaps of $$$ from bs copyright(for 10sec clips etc).
Randomly got that video on the home page. Stopped at " Watch at least the first episode of Frieren" - Ok buddy,lets see whats the whole fuss is about. Watched it. Then the second one...and so on and so forth. Thank you dude. I LOVE this anime.
Bruv it's almost ending now and I am gonna lose my shit when it does. I hope the same people make season 2. Obviously they can't end the adventure with 2 episodes and it's clear now that the anime about time is gonna take it's time. I just hope frieren S2 doesn't come back after 50 years 💀
@@HalIOfFamerFrieren Beyond Journey’s End pacing was amazing. It didn’t feel rushed or dragged. And they were able to fit on average an A and B plot to every episode. When I was watching some episodes, I felt like I watched the episode but it was only 10 minutes in. This isn’t a bad thing it’s just that the show is so good at pacing that it can make an episode feel like 2 without feeling too fast or boring.
So honestly, this is a rare show that made me feel _satisfied_ like, it doesn’t make me feel like I’m waiting for something or feel empty about it. It’s hard to explain but it feels like a fulfilling warm meal.
@@pacificnebula4899 man I am jealous then. Even the episodes without any action felt like they were only 10 minutes long for me. The other day I rewatched an episode to see some details I've missed(the one where fern fights the blood mage demon) and it legitimately felt like it's 5 minutes. I am not a manga person, I prefer my japanese media animated and voiced. But I am seriously considering this as my 1st manga.
*sigh* Fine. I'll rewatch Frieren.
@@myrineae Always get a chuckle when I see a comment like this. And Im surprised at how many people havent given Frieren a chance. Its so damn good.
what sold me about frieren as a character is that even on 1st episode, she already won my heart.
she looks kinda distant, aloof and kinda cold, but actually very caring though being an elf she is distant by default.
and many dialogue and interaction says so too, with just small bits of her taking the initiative.
so I guess she is cold, like during Himmel's burial, she still looks cold, but then when she actually suddenly cry, it just hits me hard.
that's... oh my god remembering it already making me want to sob.
I feel like that portrayal is kinda very human and relatable.
Exactly. Like they do an amazing job of immediately showing this elf character doesn't really seem to care too much about others, her relationship with her party isn't that meaningful, and then all of a sudden she's crying and it's just like.... "oh damn." Not even 15 minutes into the first episode and I was choking up. So far it's the absolute best example I know of on establishing characters and their relationships quickly and effectively
I don't know much about the lore in regards to Galadriel, but Frieren is close to how I would imagine her.
I didn't like Frieren from the start, but just the characters she meets and interacts with every episode carried the show for me. Also Fern.
BTW did you know that all character names in the Anime are actually German words and "Frieren" means to be/feel cold?
Galadriel looks like she's about to call the manager in every scene
The character Galadriel in Rings of Power looks a lot like the Karen meme.
It's curious that "Sousou no Frieren" is also used by demons in the meaning "Frieren the undertaker" becaues she kills every demon she encounters.
She tried. One of them defeated her so badly that it took her out of commission for about 100 years.
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at least she came back swinging by decoding Macht's transmutation magic that not even its user nor Serie could visualise
@@dyingearth yeah, it took her 100 years to disspell Macht's gold magic.
@@VioletEvergarden-zd5ovshe need 100 years to recover after her first fight with macht 500 years ago, but only took few weeks to uncode Diagolze using macht memory and experiencing diagolze first hand
She sends both demons and her friends to their graves, literally...
An absolut master piece. What makes Frieren so likable and the Scene of Himmel's passing so hard hitting is the normality of it all.
If anything, how Freiren dealt with demons are much better than "let's give bad guys a chance too" because we got to see what their natures are and just how naive that thought is.
I love that part of it. There's no unnecessary drama like that because Frieren has lived long enough and is wise enough to know that shouldn't happen. I also love how she's "just as bad as the demons" in their eyes, by deceiving them with mana like how the demons deceive humans with words. If they don't play fair, why should we?
Frieren is what Middle Earth would look like after Sauron's defeat but instead of demons rampaging the north it would be Orcs and Uruk-hai.
nope - demons are more like shape changing man eating balrogs than orcs. Shelob or her mother Ungoliant would also be a better analogy for the demons.
And Demon's body perish when they die, unlike normal human. Like other rampaging monsters in Frieren's world, Demon's body composed of Mana.
Orcs and uruk-hai are short sighted, scatter and aggressive to pose any significant threat without sauron leading them. The demons here are much stronger, cunning, and organized in small groups.
The first few episodes of Frieren were masterpieces. It was non stop heartbreak for me. Intense nostalgia for a story I haven't even seen. The "starting the story after the story has ended" plot has been done before, but with Frieren, they took it to another level. Also, it's kinda funny that Frieren is the coming of age story of a 1000 year old character.
You know, it's surprising to me now that I realize it, but I've never heard anybody describe it that way, and it's absolutely perfect:
"The coming-of-age story of someone who's already lived for over a thousand years."
@@foogod4237 Not only that, but the coming of age story of someone that has already slain the dragon. Usually, slaying the dragon is how you come of age.
Something I appreciate about Frieren's character is that, at the start of her character arc, she doesn't understand humans, but it also doesn't seem like she looks down on them. She is truly detached rather than being cruel or heartless, and it makes her much more believable and likable.
I'm so sorry that you've had to upload this for the third time now. The only thing I disagree with is the criticism regarding Frieren's lack of mercy when it comes to demons as I think it makes for an interesting dynamic and I actually like the fact that the demons in her world are somewhat simplistic instead of being humanized, but it's such a great and beautiful video and even makes me want to watch Rings of Power just to appreciate how good Frieren is, lol.
The demons are a nice contrast to the current concept of making everything a shade of gray. Sometimes thinks are just straight forward. Demons are human devouring monsters. Predators evolve to become better predators. That's all the demons society and communication is. Sharpening of their fangs to better kill people. Frieren's mercilessness is shocking when we first see it, but like you said it makes for an interesting dynamic. Because she's right! There's simply no finding of common ground.
Exactly, and later on she explains that the fatal error in dealing with demons IS humanizing them which they directly confirm, they DON'T have human emotions and to deal with them in any other way is asking them to kill you.
They are kind of like skinwalkers. They are NOT like human, and in manga later it is explained masterfully how that works. They trully are just monsters able to mimick human behavioral patterns. They are evolution of mimics who's only goal is to lure people to their demise. And that's very interesting and something we never saw before, it really makes you think, feel for them a bit, and than reality hits - if you feel for them, you're dead.
There is an interesting distinction between the creations of Morgoth in Tolkien, and the Demons of Sousou no Frieren. In SnF, the Demons are a race of predators. Many look human, or at least humanoid, but it is very clear that they do not view themselves as being human. They explicitly mimic human behaviors and human language for the direct purpose, self-admitted, of rendering their prey more vulnerable. They are psychopaths, or in biological terms, aggressive mimic predators. In Tolkien, beings like Sauron and the Balrogs were Maiar, and followed Morgoth by choice, whereas beings like the Orcs, Trolls, and Dragons were creations of Morgoth, and it is implied that they were 'built evil' by design. I guess the question is, what does that mean? And then there is the debate over the origin of Orcs - there are conflicting descriptions of how they were made, and in at least one recounting, they were Elves twisted by Morgoth through long years of abuse, so its conceivable that Orcs might have some moral agency.
One thing from Tolkien, buried fairly deep in the Silmarillion, is that 'true' living creatures, like Elves, Dwarves, and Men, were given souls by Eru Iluvatar. Presumably the creations of Morgoth don't have souls. We do know, from the story of the creation of the Dwarves by Aule, that the Valar could create life themselves, but only Eru could 'sanctify' that life. Getting back to the Rings of Power, we could ask how much Galadriel knows about this. We could also compare and contrast how the fight against Demons/Sauron affects the behavior of the protagonist. Frieren certainly is aggressive about exterminating Demons when presented with them, but otherwise doesn't go out of her way to destroy them, and seems to be perfectly happy living her life, pursuing simple pleasures. Galadriel has allowed her quest for vengeance to warp her behavior and her relationship with her own people as well as everyone she encounters. She badly needs a positive hobby.@@TheSmokingMustache
Kinda spoiler here but the main problem with Demon in Frieren world is, they just unable to understand "humanity", it's even feel like they're not made to be like that.
Banishing demon is like exterminating virus, there is no peaceful way (at least for now)
Frieren is one of the most beautiful shows I've ever seen, and helped me out when I was in a dark time in my life. Just the character writing, animation quality and artwork, and music makes this my favorite anime of all time. It just hits differently as an older person I guess.
I hate it... As an older person. Worst waste of time, with the most boring and generic standard story i ever forced myself to watch.
@@centripetal6157 I am also an older person, that's why the show hits so much harder. Let me guess, Studio Ghibli films are also generic standard trash? That's all this show is dude, it's as if Studio Ghibli directed a Tolkien sequel to LotR after Aragorn died.
@@centripetal6157 I'm younger and it's amazing. I'm happy I watched and really took something away from it that I have never really taken away from ... anything before. Maybe because I have lost people and even at a young age regret a lot of things. I don't know, but the series is amazing.
@@TheLycanStrain When did i say Studio Ghibli was trash??? I don't remember ever saying that. Frieren on the other hand... Is copy pasted generic fantasy slop with the lowest effort put into the story or characters. With most of the characters being overpowered magic characters that have robotic wooden personalities and fit into standard generic tropes found in 99% of anime.
Maybe if studio Ghibli lost all creativity and just gave up on all interesting ideas or themes - making generic fantasy elf #30 the most overpowered character in a bland story where absolutely nothing mattered because magic solves every single problem and every mini story is pointless time wasting garbage with a billion flashbacks.
At that point, then yes i would say its trash. Thankfully Studio Ghibli actually puts in effort and has interesting characters going through a journey.
@@MadelineMysterious Trust me... Everything you like about it has been done in 99% of other fantasy anime shows. Frieren is as generic and lazy as someone can get in fantasy anime. Its all copy pasted stuff - even the demon king story is a half assed rip off from Lord of the Rings with Sauron.
Rings of Power its just a mistake.
Mistake? No it was an insult, nay a crime against humanity.
@@estevesfilmandgaming3115 True
I would call it vandalism, but I don't want to insult the Vandals.
A crime against Tolkien
It was heart breaking the way they trashed Tolkien and Middle Earth.
Thank god for Frieren.
Frieren is a masterpiece of character development. Even the demons are shortly introduced and are extremely likable. Shout out to my boy Macht.
Frieren: Beyond Journey's End is a story that is based and runs with the literal message of "looking into another person perspective.
The manga is all about how diferent cultures and circunstances (like age or race) makes a mental space, behavior and understanding of the world very VERY diferent from one another.
It's also what makes the demons interesting and relevant antagonists. They're entirely incapable of understanding the perspectives of humans/elves/dwarves/etc in anything other than the most transactional manner, and any attempt to understand the perspective of the demons will result in the demons manipulating that and using it against you. It's a fundamental divide in worldview that can only really result in conflict.
Even in the anime( im anime only)
It shows you how it rubs onto each other.
Spending time with frieren
Slowly they started to realise how they were just a blimp in history and starts planning for legacy.(since its the only thing thwy can leave behind)
It's a coming of age story, but it tries to challenge that concept. A coming of age story implies a young character undertaking a huge task, and through its completion grown both in age and in character. But in Frieren, it's exactly backwards. The character is already old, in a way. She's already been through the big adventure, she's completed the huge task. But only now is she finally coming of age, by relieving her past instead of braving the future.
So far for me, the message I've taken from it is making the most of the time you have, and not taking the presence of the people around you for granted. It's a beautiful story though with a plethora of lessons for people to take away
@@dudeinadoughboy4327 Interesting take, and another contradiction. Frieren, an immortal elf, needs to make the most of her time. Seems like the writers tried packing as many contradictions as possible into this story.
Now that I think about it, its insane how likable the characters are right off the bat.
Like, I'm talking 5 minutes in and I can already sympathize with the characters and their interactions.
Your video introduced me to the Frieren anime. Thnx dude.
What a gift.
I literally paused this video weeks ago to go watch Frieren finally after watching the intro and it just now came back into my recommended. lol. Thanks for giving me the final push. Its amazing.
Frieren is a masterpiece. Such a unique anime because of its story. It is such a refreshing break from the beaten path of today’s animes.
I think what's so brilliant with Himmel and the flashbacks is we saw how much he meant to Frieren...and then he died.
And _now_ we learn more about him, see how much he means to her, and it's just a reminder. "They're so close, Frieren is realizing how much he meant to her.... _but he's dead."_
Every time it's a small pang of grief seeing these moments, like how someone would mourn a friend who has passed on, with those happy memories feeling just a touch sad now.
It's interesting to think, that unlike many other series where someone is said to be an end level person of incredible power, in Frieren this is shown. It's clearly demonstrated that Frieren is an incredibly powerful person capable of fighting very powerful opponents. And so in extension the Demon Lord that needed a long quest and four such epic level characters to defeat must have been quite powerful indeed.
Still, as the manga readers said, it's not like she's invulnerable or so. Rather she is traveling ever deeper in to Demon territory, with ever more dangerous beings. But the first ones she encounters are ones she's met before, the incredibly powerful mage she took years studying their magic and developing counters, the one who puppets other people who's she's fought before and she is well aware how they do things. Familiar encounters Frieren already has experience in to also help ease one in to the increasingly dangerous areas.
So one can kind of guess that if the stories is good in this aspect like in the others, then they'll over time introduce more problematic beings to combat. For instance a powerful demon Frieren might not know the magic of, with strange properties or difficult to counter with what she knows so far, or perhaps just from an unexpected angle... There are many many options really. But one imagines there will be some quite dangerous beings, demons or otherwise, if only to better illustrate thus why a team of fighters was needed.
Excellent points, I'd like to add that it's not a problem if Frieren herself is never that vulnerable, Fern and Stark _are._ They're incredibly exceptional, but they're still mortal and well below Frieren in skill and power. It's like Saitama from One Punch Man: we already know he's going to win, but what about the guy next to him? What happens if someone actually lands a hit on King?
Also, another thing to add the Demon Z forgive me for not being able to spell the name the one that sealed in stone frieren wasn’t able to defeat him 80 years ago. It’s a good measure for her strength, She’s gotten stronger even After her 10 year journey.
As someone who's read it I'd say your assumption in the 3rd paragraph is pretty on point. The closer she gets to the end of her journey back to the Demon King's castle the harsher and more deadly enemies are. For example, enemies who she didn't need to worry about before for X reasons are now a massive hurdle and she definitely can't fight them alone.
@@Vespuchian Frieren though is still mortal since she can still die, it’s just she’s just so experienced beyond belief that her own wisdom and accumulated knowledge is her primary defense over pure power.
Since pure power and skill in combat only takes you so far in Frieren. As is proven by Fern and Stark taking down massively more powerful demons by leveraging their own strengths and exploiting their weaknesses.
The reason why a party was needed was already brushed by in the anime.
1. Frieren's a powerful mage, but even the latest & most advanced defensive spell can be broken by sheer brute physical force. Eisen & Stark could probably shatter this era's defense spell.
2. Holy power is a talent and can't be learned (giving JJK vibes). Frieren, Fern & Stark (2 mages and 1 warrior) fell to a sleep curse, leaving only Sein, the priest, awake.
3. Even if Frieren is older, more experienced, and has greater mana, a teenager like Fern is faster in magic atk spd. Stark is probably faster than Frieren but with phys atk spd. If Frieren is caught unaware, someone with speed could kill her, both magic and physical attacks.
With a party filled with different roles, they can cover each other's weaknesses.
Regarding hidden dangers... we have this false sense of security that Frieren will beat everyone in the end because she's the main character, she's powerful, and she's at least 1000yrs old. "It's not that kind of story," some in the fandom might say. Most of the fandom will only accept Fern as the person who will beat Frieren in the end. We believe everything Frieren says because she has a millennia of experience. But if something is happening in the background that she does not expect, if she gets blindsided by powerful opponents... it could be her downfall. She's not the only being out there who's old and powerful. And not all of them are on the mortals' side like Serie is. And just like how she deceives demons by hiding her real mana for centuries, maybe demons can adapt and learn to deceive Frieren for centuries too. By definition, we are already aware that monsters and demons are capable of evolution.
Although Frieren is trying to improve her understanding of mortals, she's still not there yet. Even in the anime, If given a choice, there are times where she wants to abandon towns and people in distress because it's a bother. The North has been embroiled in war with the remnants of the demon king's forces, and Frieren doesn't care. (I get it, she's 1000yrs old and we humans keep making the same mistake of warring. She also deserves her own way of life after her service in defeating the demon king.) Knowing what's in the manga though, there's something boiling underneath, but Frieren is more focused on her personal self-discovery journey than clues of the demons making a comeback.
The manga goes into how humans are often more powerful spell casters than elves. Frieren has a ton of mana and a lot of knowledge but the shorter life spans drives humans to be highly motivated(which allows them to master spells faster and to come up with new spells as well). Frieren basically collects tons of spell books because she isn't really capable to coming up with brand new spells on her own, and almost all those spells were developed by humans). So while she is certainly powerful she still travels with a party as she needs their help and they all carry their own.
Seeing this kinda makes me want to see a scenario where a human from modern time gets Isekai’d into the world of Frieren but as an elf and become a mage because while they’ll have a lot knowledge and likely learn a ton of spells since they have a long lifespan now.
They likely would still have the mentality of a human which would make them want to learn things quicker and be highly motivated which would make that certain individual very powerful.
@@andrewsanusi8462 To be fair, a lot of people are kind of lazy. Like if you didn't have to pay bills and you lived forever, would you be doing something productive or just watching more youtube, playing games, and watches tv? I think if you are able a lot of people would take the slow elf approach.
@@Lilitha11 True, I think some people would likely end up becoming more lazy than they already are if they essentially became immortal. But I feel like by the time they reach 120 they would eventually get bored of living the lazy life and go out and see the world, I know I would’ve.
@@andrewsanusi8462 Frieren does go around seeing the world though. And in fact, casually traveling around and seeing the sights is the lazy 'elf' way. The human way is more sitting in a room and studying twelves hours a day, then when you go outside it is just to test and practice the magic you been researching.
If you visit the town to try their food and see the interesting culture and stuff like that, that is the 'lazy' path in this context. If you travel to train and hone your skill and you never stop to smell the roses, then that is the 'hard working' path, in this context.
This isn't really being lazy, since you are expanding your awareness and becoming a more well rounded person but traveling around sight seeing and passively learning of the world is much different than the intense training and focus that human mages do in the setting.
She is really skilled at learning, decoding and modifying spells she experience. But not so much at coming up with her own fresh spell
Frieren's fight with Aura is, in my opinion, one of the best played-out fights in anime.
Not just because of the action, which is brief, brutal, and "real". The scope of the fight is clearly laid out: it will be a fight between mana tanks, because of Aura's peculiar magic object which is always described as dangerous, so you know it could and will backfire, but Aura is presented as having a lot of mana, even more than Frieren by Lugner, before they reveal the limiting mana trick. They also have Frieren "waste" her mana purifying the zombies instead of slaying them (showing her character development) to create more tension.
it's a paradox but Frieren would've been more in danger if Aura actually fought alongside her army instead of waiting to use the scales. Instead, she wanted Aura to use them and made her play her part until the end.
The Fight is like comparing a Jackie Chan fight and a Duel between 2 Samurai in old Japanese film.
One has a drawn out fight with a lot of visual spectacular moves, and the other fight is 2 sword wielding Samurai who look at each other for a minute, and end the fight with no more than 2 strikes, and bloods flying everywhere.
I saw the outcome from a mile away, but I was impressed by how well the Aura fight worked anyway. It didn't need surprise or suspense to work brilliantly.
At that point, we know how Aura's scales work, that Frieren's stronger than Aura (as she told Draht in the prison fight), and that Frieren suppresses her mana and beats demons by feigning weakness. Then she fights Aura and wins by feigning weakness, suppressing her mana, and being stronger than Aura just as she claimed. It went exactly as telegraphed.
This arc was all about introducing Frieren's demon hunter side, layer by layer, so we understand why and how she fights. The capstone fight just needed to deliver on the glimpses and promises made throughout the arc by finally showing us "Frieren the Slayer" in action.
Old man Himmel hit so hard. Speed run make grown adult cry any percent record holder.
I was choking up less than, what, 15 minutes into the first episode? It was crazy but I loved it
Noooo. They killed it again. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm here again to support the idea, video, and the Anime. This time it has to work. Don't be let down, you got this.
An angry Mary Sue is still a Mary Sue. It's just a version that's infused with the writer's spite that everyone irl doesn't instantly bow down to their "obvious" superiority (classic inferiority complex in the writer coming through the character).
Setting that minor difference in opinion aside, this is a great analysis RT. You've convinced me to start watching Frieren right after I finish your video here 👍
Actually, no, that's kinda exactly what a "Mary Sue" is not. Generally, the defining characteristics of a "Mary Sue" character include the fact that they are beloved by everyone (except possibly one main antagonist, etc), have no character flaws, and never do anything wrong. (That's basically what the term means.)
So a bitter/angry/etc Mary Sue is actually _not a Mary Sue,_ pretty much by definition.
(That doesn't mean it isn't a badly written character, just that it's actually a _different kind_ of badly-written character.)
@foogod4237 at best, that would be a technicality. Writing labels are not so rigid that you can escape them with a technicality.
In this case, however, I can't even grant you that much, because it would require Guy-ladriel's anger to be portrayed as a character flaw, which it is not. The writers here present it as righteous fury and make sure that she's always vindicated in the end. It's the world, not their character, that's at fault. So you don't get to claim it as an intended character flaw and thus don't escape the "Mary Sue" label. This is just what a Mary Sue looks like when written by toxic, spiteful people.
@@foogod4237 wrong
@@serpentinious7745Except that's just not true. Multiple characters point out that she's wrong (Elendil calls her childish, Gil-Galad says she'll bring about the very evil she's trying to destroy, Adar calls her just as corrupted as he is, even Sauron tells her to chill out). In the end, she's guilty of nursing Sauron himself back to health and putting him in charge of Mordor, which Sauron is quick to point out. She's clearly a "girl boss"-type of character, which does make her awful to watch, but she's not a Mary Sue.
@Nethan2000 You're too focused on the "everybody loves Mary Sue" quality. Far more important, and far more prevalent, is the "Mary Sue is better than everyone at everything" aspect. As I said before, this is what a Mary Sue looks like when written by a bitter, spiteful narcissistic. Just like how a standard MS writer wants validation through love, a spiteful MS writer wants validation through putting doubters in their place. Both are the projections of extremely insecure writers, with the primary difference being that the latter is also a highly toxic individual.
I wish that anime companies would stop copyright-striking people who review or talk about their stuff, it's videos like these that get me interested in watching those anime. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.
Well said. It is this same thinking that pushed Apple into Window's shadow.
@@zaphoddog3878 It's less bout anime companies, than Japanese culture in general. Nintendo swings the copyright hammer wildly too. They have different understanding of intellectual property.
Himmel may as well be the most important character in the anime. Throughout the anime it's revealed piece by piece how he has already changed Frieren's worldview and lifestyle during their adventure. But he's doing the same once again beyond his death. His presence transcends his life & death.
The anime doesn't explain everything literally either leaving the audience to speculate and figure out things themselves. If you just think a bit about it the purpose of the statues become clear as day but the anime doesn't even touch upon the subject just showing the effect.
i envy and admire that type of legacy one leaves behind.
This is also shown in how the framing for episodes is "28/29 years after the death of Himmel the Hero, at this location".
It shows his impact on a major scale, how his life and death is now a marked point in history; and on a personal scale, since his passing is what motivates Frieren on the journey we watch.
amazon's abomination will NEVER be anywhere close to even breathing the same air as tolkien's galadriel...
After watching the first episode of frieren I thought it did the best job capturing the feeling of awe and wonder that is felt in the lord of the rings. Phenomenal show
Even Elda(Otaku Elf), Marcielle (Dungeon Meshi) and Elf Girl (Isekai Ojisan) are waaaaaàay better elves than Galadriel.
One of the big things I love about Sousou No Frieren is that it doesn't need drama to carry the plot forward, something you kinda highlighted near the start of the video. It's a very human show and something I think anime really needed. There is drama between the characters later in the show, specifically between 2 characters (those who've watched Frieren know which 2 I am talking about 😆 ), but it doesn't lead to some massive, violent conflicts but rather to some very heartfelt and humane moments that just make us love the characters more.
It's ironic that ROP's pathetic effort to create a Mary Sue Warrior Princess Galadriel that they reduced her original power from Tolkien's various narratives. Galadriel was always a powerful character. She was the most fair, the most wise, and most powerful of the elves in Middle Earth. She had grace and poise and was respected or feared by others. ROP Galadriel is a blundering spoiled brat making mistake after mistake. She pisses people off left, right, and center. Her own soldiers mutiny against her and her king wants to get rid of her. She's graceless, rude, and arrogant. She'd be a good villain but most villains have some kind of charm to make them appealing.
She's also as unwise as you can get. She can't see that Sauron was right next to her the whole time and she drags him back to Middle Earth and into the secret Elven project so he could get his evil little hands on everything. On top of that, she doesn't tell anyone that Sauron is back! Nearly every bad thing that happened and is going to happen is her fault! I think she only appeals to sociopathic narcissists who see themselves in her (major red flag!),
Overall, though, given how little ROP resembles the world, characters, and themes of Tolkien I think we aren't even seeing bad fanfic but the attempt to take a lackluster fantasy story no one would pay attention to and cram it into an existing property with a well-established fan base in order to make some money.
An Interesting thing they could have done with the Rings of Power is have Finrod's character pretty much follow the original character with a huge emphasis on his love for humans while Galadriel remains as this kind, stoic yet naive girl. When Finrod dies protecting his friend Beren, Galadriel would go on a journey to the world to know and understand what made her brother love and care for the lesser beings. Eventually at the end of her journey, she becomes the kind and wise Galadriel that we know.
Heck, if you want to add Sauron then have him manipulate the events during Galadriel's journey where he would showcase to her to worst sides of the lesser beings to show to her than they are wild, chaotic and without order thus needing them to be ruled and controled for order.
thanks for battling to keep this up. i can only imagine how frustrating and tiring its been for you, and i appreciate your hard work in reworking and reuploading this, all the while keeping your humour and positivity. this is a really damn good video essay, and it's the third time i've added it to my bookmarks.
“It’s not yet clear what the significance of the ring is but I’m sure we’ll find out later in the series” and boy did we 😢
18:50 I'm only 5 episodes into Frieren but you were doing so good about not spoiling anything significant, I got comfortable with watching all the way through. But this spot feels like a big spoiler... Idk, maybe it's not as significant as it looks. I won't truly know until I get here. But it came as a major shock to me to see as somebody who's only watched 5 episodes so far. I would've really appreciated a firmer warning before going into this kind of stuff, albeit I suppose I have to take at least some of the blame for making the mistake of watching an analysis video before finishing a series. Still, I could've sworn you said in the beginning that the spoilers you talk about wouldn't be anything more than what you'd find in a synopsis of the plot... maybe I misunderstood.
I have seen the first one. And I liked it. I like the director's cut XD. I hope it can stay. And that you will do this analysis of episode 10 of Frieren one day 😉
Glad Asmon was able to add so little to your video that I came here to watch the actual video so I didn't get his pointless interruptions. Awesome comparison!
Huh, so it took some time, but finally found this video again!!! I wanted to come back for YOUR video specifically (as Your's one was the one that brought this absolute gem of an anime into my attention) to say huge THANK YOU for making this!! I had not heard about this anime before, and actually it has been a while ago since I last watched any, so I am so so grateful to You as this is truely a great experience!
I'm glad to gave made an impact in your life
Frieren uses flashbacks so well. Rings of Power almost don't use any. But the main problem in RoP is that the characters are so purely written that you can't really do anything.They don't know how to tell a story. They managed to make the mines of Moria boring. It can't be saved. I love Frieren so much that I bought all the mangas. It revived the anime adventure genre. I hope it will win anime of the year this year. It has everything: a good story, good sountrack, good character development, character design, OP moments, and emotional moments, good fights. ❤
Watching a third time to spite these jerks! You did a wonderful job with this and it is getting people to watch this show who never would have otherwise! (Me!)
About demons, Frieren said "The demon owns the word but does not understand it" and in episode 16, demon said that the word Mom is a magic word that saves from people. It was smart and wonderful.
Spoilers
The manga later further explores that concept with a demon who struggles to understand the words "evil" and "guilt" so much that goes to great lengths to understand those words.
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Add to the spoiler: there was a demon who basically went through the darker route of frieren journey to find humanity. Spent several centuries to understand ideas such as "evil" "love" and "fear" but even in the end can never truly understand these concepts.
Honestly one of the little things I enjoyed is how they give the growing characters (Fern and Stark) their own spotlights. While Fern doesnt have the control and mana Frieren has, Fern excels at quick casting where Freiren lets her deal with many monsters as its "quicker" that way. Stark was hinted at surpassing his master by him essential enducing a fearful reflex that ultimately injured Stark (not to mention showing off both of their flaws with fear showing true strength in faving their fears head on).
11:54 that ring 😢😢😢😢 the wonderful scenes, the surprise on frieren's face, the bells, the sunset, the music... just beautiful.
I will watch this every time you upload this. No matter how many times it gets taken down.
I liked your original video. It convinced me to watch Frieren as I read a few chapters before and thought it wasn't for me. But then I gave the anime a shot after your video and now I like it.
When I saw Frieren on crunchyroll I commented exactly that, Frieren is what Galadriel should have been...
Lately I’ve been diving into the Frieren rabbit hole:
From Frieren’s core theme of time and friendship to how this show has revived the fantasy genre, there is so many topics that relate to this show that I feel like my brain will explode.
Frieren looks like just another anime, but if you spend the time to look deeper, you can find or make a 100 video essays on it!
I literally feel like I can make an A+ English project based on this show.
It's also amazing for a Literature class. Perfect material for a critical analysis essay, heck, even a book.
Btw technically Frieren was made by one person and the anime fallows the manga to a tee. We’re as rings of power was written by a team of people and had to be approved afterwards for tv. How did this story make it past the executives
The reason why Frieren works soooo well is because of the cast! All of them are masterpiece works that help to exuberate each others humanities. FKN HIMMEL'S PRESENCE IS SO AMAZING LITERALLY WHENEVER HE'S ON SCREEN IT EVOKES AN EMOTION OF WARMTH AND FRIENDSHIP....Where is that in Galaderiel? We got FERN/STARK/FLAMME(one of the greatest characters in the anike imho)/Even Serie.....It's just a great anime
Fun fact: According to the polls, Himmel became the #1 in the most popular character in the manga.
I mean he is HIMmel
Your video on this topic is excellent. We have been shouting it out to the bigger creators that covered rings of power.
About frieren being OP
She literally spend her waking days training such as (Mimic 1% gacha,Collecting Weird Book,Spending money lavishly,And mana training) that's how frieren never seems to struggle
I think a lot of "mainstream" writers - the Hollywood-touched or similar - often follow a formula that might've worked a few decades ago. Hero goes swish swish stab and gives quips and does hero stuff. But the modern media enjoyer wants depth, character, complexity, motivation. Yes, we still want the spectacle, but we want a connection. Especially in this era where we're the most and - ironically - the least connected we've ever been. Technology has opened up the world, but also shut us in our homes before various screens. We seek that connection. Nay, even crave it.
1:12 Appreciate your effort and no disrespect, but we already had a likable Galadriel, the one in the books and original TLOTR movies by Peter Jackson...which is what made her awful character assassination in Rings of Power a lot worse.
Agreed.
#JusticeforLadyGaladriel
😂
Correct, i don't understand this video, galadriel is amazing in the books and Peter trilogy
Amazon really has a hard on with this video. Unlike other reviews that only focus on the oozing wokeness of the Rings of Power. This review not only show that RoP is just a plain bad show. But shows a better thoughtful show through Sousou no Freiren.
Well said.
lol the big studio angry at the animated series being more serious and grown up than their waste of money, no wonder they are mad
@@longtsun8286Dude said "Wokeness" unironically. In what world is that well said?
Hope this one gets to stay, great video.
I hope so too!
@@RoamingTrendwhat happened
back for my third watch Keep up the good work
I dont think reediting and clarification of your points will help you. Angryjoe complains often that his negative tv show reviews are taken down willy nilly all the time. Positive ones stay, so reediting wont change anything in my opinion. I found your channel thanks to asmon when you reuploaded this the first time. Good content and I hope they wont delete this one.
The clarification is not really for copyright purposes. I think the main issue was really the example clips where I'm not talking, so I got rid of most of those. But while I was there, I needed to rephrase a few things, add some content that was brought up to me in the comments and added a spoiler warning to those who missed it the first time. Just a bit of clean up while I'm at it.
@@RoamingTrendIt's still crazy that they try to claim a few seconds you pause to breath makes it a substitute for the original content.
This isn't some random company It's Amazon, they know what they are configuring their take downs for, they are fully admitting other people talking about their products are more interesting then their products.
@@VioletDeathRei These sorts of things generally aren't actually done by Amazon (or other production companies) themselves. They're all outsourced to other "copyright enforcement" companies, which just use automated scanning to detect anything that looks like it might conceivably be a violation of any of their thousands of intellectual properties in their list, and then send out takedowns, usually without any human ever even looking at it...
I'm glad I went and watched Frieren before watching this video. Very good anime 10/10.
20:15 There are total of 11 mages Frieren has lost to over the course of her life. And I can assure you that one of them will make an appearance in the next season. It is the next Major Story Arc, and it is hands down, the most acclaimed Frieren Story Arc up to date.
No, no, you don't get it. She's not supposed to be flawed. I mean, she is, but it's not intentional. The writers wanted to write a perfect female action hero, so she is a MarySue.
They basically want a Girl Boss who is treated badly by everyone around her because she is perfect and the whole world has conspired against her to not acknowledge her obvious superiority over them all. A relatively modern mainstream feminist take that needs female characters to be superior, misunderstood and mistreated. Even the righteous anger theme is in service of this big picture.
On the other hand, every OP badass character is female in Frieren, yet, it goes beyond just focusing on that narrow aspect of reality to tell a more human story. Feminists in the West need to spend some time studying female leads in fiction from other cultures to properly understand how to achieve what they want.
Frieren's engdub had ten times the Rings of Power gravitas in a single word: "Judrajim"
4:15 PS Finrod's name isn't even mentioned on the show nor is it on the Amazon "xray". The only way you would know his name is in the books... The Rings Of Power failed to even give Galdrial's brother a name.
probably cuz they didnt have the rights.
20:00 Man, you will be blown away once the ss2 came out, because it contains the arc that resolve all the problems you have with how Frieren interacting with demon
I came here to support your efforts to get this video out from under such ridiculous copyright claims. I saw your content on Asmongold TV's channel and went over to watch your video first only to see it was unlisted and blocked. So here I am. Keep up the hard work! It's appreciated by others that you didn't give up.
Thanks for that
Frieren acts like a child because she is in elf terms, galadriel acts like a spoilt child even tho shes meant to be an adult elf. In terms of power, knowledge, and skill . . . i felt like galadriel wasted 1000+ years and has barely learnt anything whilst frieren is overpowered which you should be if your an elf and have ample time to learn and master your class.
Heimel was not fleshed out as a character on the first episode so you dont care much for his death but gets attention on flash backs within multiple episode basically going deeper and deeper into his relationship with Frieren, as for Finrod . . . after the first episode hes pretty much forgoten 3 or 4 episodes later making him irrelevant and eroding the galadriel's whole reason for revenge.
Good vid and analysis. She’s a total boss but so much more. I’ve already watched the series twice. It’s just so good.
Frieren isn't invincible tho. Frieren mentioned that she's lost 11 times to people who have lower mana than her. 6 of whom were human. And that's just a specific category. There could be more losses she's had.
And her being this powerful isn't surprising. She was part of the part that destroyed the demon lord, was trained by the woman known as the "Greatest mage in history", and has lived for thousands of years. And even then, Serie described that Frieren is relatively unskilled for someone her age.
I watched for the third time and it was still a great watch. Excellent points and it makes me appreciate Frieren even more.
I watched this before I saw Frieren. I still teared watching the burial scene.
Great video. Never watched the Ring of Power, but Frieren is a great show. Frieren is not just overpowered, but she downplays it and she has her weaknesses. Plus all the other characters get fleshed out. The series also uses flashbacks in a very good way. All in all a pleasure to watch.
First Commandment of Writing:
Entertain; Make them Care
Wow, just called Eisen's height his flaw.
I think his flaw was his rush to finish the quest.
It was a joke. 😇
@@RoamingTrend I know.
I just found it funny that you wrote short.
On a side note.
Why is Ubel hot?
I hate (I don't really mean this) how beautiful she is, but her personality is horrible.
I don't know if I can waifu her, so I'll waifu Serie instead.
@@crosscirfians6236 Übel is that forbidden fruit character. You are always curious how it would be to follow her along, but very often she reminds you of how dangerous that idea might be, with how she reveals she's trying to form a connection just to steal your ability. Four-eyes seems to be the only one equipped to handle her shenanigans with his stoicness and of course, his unique power.
Literally every chapter of the Frieren manga starts with "N years have elapsed since Her Himmel's passing..." He literally never leaves the story because they're dating it from his death.
On your conclusion, I actually couldn't care less if Frieren is challenged martially or not. Because this is not a hero's journey in the traditional sense - we already had that. That was the quest where Himmel's party defeated the Demon King. Frieren is arguably a case of an almighty protagonist used effectively well, because her strength accentuates the story while never being enough to handle it.
Without spoiling, the anime has recently been covering an arc which has a bit more conflict, yet Frieren remains an almighty character. And yet, the stakes remain incredibly high at points, in no small part because the writers are creative with what is at risk.
Frieren's journey beyond journey's end is not to do good and to become a great mage. It is to thaw, to unravel her own flaws and make sense of this beautiful life she has lived and still can live. For the age after the hero Himmel, the best may be yet to come
I never actually read the LotR books, so take this for what it's worth. But I was always confused as to why Galadriel was even in the movies. Her presence does absolutely nothing other than to show the elves aren't a single nation. But even that wasn't important for the story.
It actually started with the Hobbit, not the LotR trilogy. The Elf Characters you thought was not important in the Movie Trilogy has more relanvance if you also read the Hobbit.
I don’t mind if Frieren mostly because this is treated basically as an epilogue, the demon king’s army is defeated and the rest are either trying to grow to fill in the power vacuum or are being hunted down so it’d make sense to not have a lot of powerful enemy in an era of peace
Such an excellent video. I've never watched Frieren but heard great things about it. Perhaps I should watch it :).
Do watch it. It’s a slower burn but really good character development
Come to think of it, by the time Galadriel would have found out about her brother's death and the timing between his departure must have been centuries if she was already grown. I would posit that it was at least 200-500 years from his departure that he died for her to be as "mature" looking as she was in "elf" years. Unless they age like humans until adults then just pause for a few thousand years.
The writers had PLENTY of in-story time to build up his importance to her, whether it was trips home, every few decades, or even letters. From what I have seen(not watching the show), he left when she was a girl, died when she was an adult, but it was played off as if it was within 10-20 years within the first 15 minutes of the first episode. Even considering that, it is a long time to just let a character die off without any development. Its almost as if an entire season could have been made about his journey and her relationship with him. But, the writers were too dimwitted to think about that.
As for Frieren, it makes a lot of sense once you watch it more. Lets just say, one lesson pointed out is, don't exist on your one big accomplishment. In time, your 15 minutes of fame will be over, soon you will be forgotten. Watch the show to understand. I think it perfectly frames modern internet culture of all things.
Simple, because Rings of Power prioritize the "mystery boxes" over the characters themselves. They assume that the audience will get invested just because the main lead has a well-known name (Galadriel) and the entire revenge plot is enough to convince the audience that she loved and looked up to her brother.😅
It's so weird that we get more information about the "mysterious symbol on Finrod's body," the mysterious evil looking sword hilt or the absurd mithril backstory but when it comes to character who needs backstory the most, they provided none.
It's more tragic and personal loss though in the extended lore. Unlike in ROP, Galadriel's brother didn't left for Middle Earth when she's a kid. Morgoth, the big bad, actually killed Galadriel's grandfather and stole her uncle's Silmarils. This is the main reason why the Noldor elves rebelled against the Valar and decided to go to Middle Earth but before they can leave as a group, Galadriel's a hole and selfish uncle who also happen to be their new king, started a bloody kinslaying with Galadriel's mother's people and all of this events obviously saddened Galadriel. Galadriel and her brother(s) have lots of time hanging out in Valinor and she's with Finrod in Doriath and maybe exchanged letters lol when he moved to Nargothrond.
Also, notice how the show wanted to be always grandeus and epic about everything. Her revenge plot is all that matters to her and this one symbol and her dagger is all she thinks about. Heck, even finding her husband doesn't really matter to her. The only important person in her life is her deceased brother, the problem is that we as an audience don't understand why. Why can't she have normal relationships with other elves. We can see how she belittled and accused Elrond and how she's quick to threaten others when she's refused or not taken seriously. That's why she's an overall unlikeable character. She didn't want to be liked lol, her character wanted to be hated.
I guess while we're bringing the lore into it, one of the myriad things that annoy us about this is that Rings of Power season 1 allegedly takes place in the Second Age, while Galadriel was born before the First Age. She is (or at least should be) a few millennia old by now, and been quite socially active in that time. There's no reason whatsoever for her to be behaving like a temperamental brat, aside from that being the writers' idea of what a "Strong Female Character (tm)" looks like.
Meanwhile, while we don't know exactly how old Frieren is, we do know that she has spent a good chunk of that life alone, and when she was living with people they weren't exactly the most mature of folks (Himmel's group had their share of eccentricities; and Flamme was more of a master/apprentice relationship than something more personal, plus judging by the potion remark she wasn't the best influence either), so her immaturity despite her advanced age makes some sense. That and judging from how much older Kraft appears to be it could be that in this show's case Elves just take that long to develop.
frieren tried to make my wet my eyes from just 1 episode and it works, Galadriel on the other hand doesn't even get to have meaningful flashbacks with her brother and it stinks watching this wreck the writer of that show made
11:45 you really trusted that the show would give that minor part some backstory and in the end you were right lmao, I love when shows do that
16:05 actually it would have been better that way. since they chose to take the route of humanizing Sauron.
the issue is: they tried to build Galadriel and Sauron aka Halbrand to have a relationship, but when that twist about Sauron Halbrand came, Galadriel don't feel like someone who actually cared about missing her friendship with Halbrand.
When it came to her, what did she do? Point sword at him? and then they scream at each other?
If Halbrand had been truly important to Galadriel, there will be the phases of grief, no? The bargaining, or even trying to change Sauron for the better. Because she genuinely cares!
This is the same issue with Finrod, in which we don't really feel that these 2 have a close sibling relationship.
I actually found it very refreshing that the demons in Frieren were full blown sociopaths completely devoid of redeeming qualities. I've seen enough shonen anime or Hollywood superhero movies to get MORE than enough villains or monsters with unlikely humanization or that last second miraculous change of heart.
I was more along the lines of "F*cking finally we get cool monsters we don't have to feel a single inch of remorse for! Go full GTA on their asses Frieren!!1!"
Great video though!! Very well put words!
There's a bit later on that does put a bit more perspective and sympathy on the demon's side of things, but doesn't compromise them all needing to die. It's handled rather masterfully, actually. I hope the anime gets to show that point before too long.
"cool monster": is literally a loli with horns.
@@facundomontivero2299 m8 there are more demons than only her lmao
@@KennyMcGavin Doesn't change the fact that some of them are lolies. lol
@@facundomontivero2299 I wouldn't necessarily credit the show for this, but I can see demons being "loli with horns" working here.
Since it is established demons rely on trickery/manipulation to get humans to lower their guard, I can believe some demons started looking more like attractive humans to adapt to that purpose. (Not crediting the show since that's not established, just my headcanon, but since we see demons ranging from "loli with horns" to more demonic-looking ones like Qual, I think it makes some sense.)
Frieren is special because it's a journey to see her friends and mentor's legacy affecting the future for betterment, and that is a hopeful message, she will be the only one left to be witness and experience it.
On the other hand, Tolkien talks about destructive consequences that linger, they will be never truly go away. Galadriel witnesses the passing of age of trees, wars of Melkor, the last alliances, her people's bravado and failure, and losing the last ounce of power to maintain her realm. She will eventually gives up on her ambition. It's a long journey of seeing miracle things crumble, supposing greater than life characters passing, just as the great calamity created them.
If there is anything i like from these elves, it's the eternal somberness around them. Nothing lasts long but everything somehow feels quite the same. I don't think ring of power ever captures that trait. It's never about Galadriel being right, being wrong, being angry, being sorry, being ambitious about middle earth, and fail to keep it. It's rather about how she faces/solve them in grace with long honed wisdom. She learns, she lives. She is a hero in that sense.
Great work here, man! U made me realize some aspects of why the directors of Sousou no Frieren choose to do some scenes that way and how that was important to construction of the history
20:17 Stakes... There will be stakes... Oh boy... We still need to meet Goldie for that
Honestly I was so relieved when I saw Frieren went the route of demon's actually just being pure unempathetic evil. The "oh the evil race isnt actually all evil and some are good!" thing is starting to get old and tiring, imo at least.
Man... Rings of Power needs to be remade. They need to put some good writers and Peter Jackson behind it. There's no other way.
Good to see you again.
You too!