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I was once the systems improvement coordinator for a large corporation. When looking at the manufacturing process we found that downtime was mostly attributed to one piece of equipment. When looking at that equipment I discovered that a majority of the problem was lack of preventative maintenance on one part of that equipment. User error was 3% of the downtime while the maintenance issue was 78%. Guess what management focused on? Ya the 3% caused by user error. To me this said everything about the way corporations think about their employees.
That is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard. Blame the humans not the equipment they're at fault right? 🤣
Reminds me of my short stint in CNC. A machine caught on fire and they blamed it half on me and half on the machine. It wasn't my fault at all. Poor maintenance on the machine was causing the coolant pumps to periodically clog/lose proper flow. I'd been there for 3 months at that point. I left shortly after when they didn't give me performance reviews/pay raises they promised. I'm very tired of being lied to by employers when I've treated them honestly and put my best foot forward. I'm a good employee because I can't stand being idle at work. I need something to do the entire time I'm there, so when my job is mainly making sure machines are running and making good parts it left me with a lot of downtime. I used that time to help others rework their parts, moved around material for the older guys who aren't as in good of physical shape, etc and I still got shafted.
I don't understand why employers are so hesitant to treat their employees *at least* decently. I'm not asking for a 40% pay increase, a reduction in hours with same pay, or any of that bs. I just want a fair wage compared with inflation and to have honesty from my employer. The lack of finding that in the economy has made me decide to study and then strike out on my own. I hope to someday be successful enough to be the employer to others that I always hoped to work for. To be quite honest, I'd even happily pay myself less than my employees in such a position if the work I was contributing to the company didn't match what I was paying myself.
It's a mentality extension of the old 'a good craftsman never blames his tools'. As an actual craftsman, good tools are mandatory. Bad tools will lead to a bad job, it's why every carpenter, painter, plasterer, etc I know uses one specific type of tool they like.
For them: Increasing preventive maintenance increases cost. Focusing on workers? Essentially free.
@@Zyo117why I only own Ridgie or Rothensberger pipe wrenches
I find it interesting how easy it is to replace the battery in a car or truck which could cause catastrophic damage if used unsafely, or could literally catch on fire and explode if the battery is installed improperly, or how straightforward it is to replace the batteries in a fork lift which is capable of lifting literal tons of product high over people's heads and could crush people into a pulp without taking any damage, yet it's easy -even trivial, to replace the batteries in those things yet a skateboard is too dangerous to allow the user to replace the battery?? Hmm...
its NOT trivial to replace forklift batteries, they usually weigh thousands and are actually most of the designed counterweight that makes it able to lift what it can. car batteries are usually easy, but getting even less easy. with VW and some others, you now have to program the battery to the car or it'll void the warranty.
also, theres only a right way and a wrong way to put them in, if you do it wrong it fries the computer and maybe a couple other things, not likely to cause fire.
but with anything that's your property, you should have the right to repair OR ruin it all you want, that's the whole point to this. even the idiots that shouldnt touch it should have to right to learn that they shouldnt. usually the hardest lessons are the most effective
@@bradhaines3142 you do know propane forklifts exist ? also diesel ? maybe 2 people at most.
@@bradhaines3142 Maybe it's a bit of an exaggeration to say it's trivial, but it still isn't that difficult. And the individual cells do not weigh thousands, they are heavy, but you can still lift them on your own. And yes, some car manufacturers are now making it difficult to change the battery and like you said that's exactly part of the problem. Car batteries have always been easy to replace and there is no reason that that should change.
And the battery definitely could cause a fire if you short it out or puncture it while installing it. That would be kinda hard to do, but I've seen people do a lot of really stupid things in my life
I mean it's comparitively easy to change a battery in a car or a truck, but some modern cars are a massive pain in the ass as I've learned working at an auto parts store. I've also learned are so complex that they literally require a visit to the dealsership, whether it's because it has a computer to be programmed or because there's wires beyond the terminal wires that we aren't allowed to touch for liability reasons.
@@bradhaines3142 "they usually weigh thousands" Thousands OF WHAT?!! Ounces? Pounds? Kilogram? Stone? Some other odd unit I never even heard of? "Thousands" isn't a unit, k?!
It's annoying enough when people use the stupid abbreviation "KPH", but one can at least guess what unit they mean. But having never seen a forklift battery, I can't even make a sure guess. It's literally no more helpful than if you had said "they usually weigh in between a dog and a whale" to anyone who just so happens to never have worked on a forklift...
"If you unplug the battery, it will brick the device." Damn that's one hell of a safety protocol😢
That's not a safety protocol. That's a tyranny protocol.
It's pretty wild how a company can be so anti-consumer
It's pretty wild how people buy products from a company so anti-consumer.
It is not. profit is the goal.
@@2hotflavored666 I 100% wouldn't have bought one if i knew how anti-consumer they are. I only got one cause i saw how much fun some people were having on their onewheels.
*laughs in Gotway*
(they got away by renaming themselves, like Cort)
It’s amazing that something dangerous would be expected to be safe
BTW, Maine has right to repair on the ballot for November.
It can be on the ballot but if the law they are trying to pass is poorly written and full of loopholes that companies can use to get around the law then it means nothing
I know dude, I’m really hopeful it’s gonna pass.
@@ButterBallTheOpossumnever let perfection be the enemy of good. A bad law can be amended and improved, and is much better than nothing.
Let's hope it's not gonna be fucked over by weakass polititians.
@ZacDonald I agree but it's rather difficult. Still one foot after the other
one might say "You're damaging a company's reputation by putting so much on them. Don't you think that's a problem?" Well, no. They likely have very well protected patent rights to such a device, and once you've reduced construction down to one literal wheel, there's almost no other way to build the product to bypass such patent restrictions. They have no competition.
Companies with little to no viable competition, in my opinion, ought to have yellow tape on them on the range and be ready to take all criticisms and backlash for mess ups. Customers have no where else to go if they want the same product.
Well, technically they have in terms of EUC, but I agree, those morons should fix the real issues instead of tossing around "we care about your safety" when they don't give a shit.
EUC companies actually need to be pressured also since almost all latest wheels of all brands has very serious safety problems.
If they didn't want a damaged reputation they shouldn't release products that give them a bad reputation. As long as everything said is truthful they have no real defense.
You reminded me of a meme that has been circulating lately which reads "Leave those big corporations alone" or of the sort. Those type of people are just as annoying as the "shut up and consume" crowd.
If you have a patent. That does not put and restriction on it. Patents also have nothing to do with safety.
@@saulgoodman2018I don't think you read what they said right
I was %100 a victim of the nose dive failure. I thought it was exaggerated or occurring due to user error but I was wrong. My nose dive was caused by the opposite of a power loss. The built in safety feature to kill the board when an overvoltage event occurs is deadly! You can not feel the push back at all when you have enough of your body weight on the front that it keeps the nose down. I was lucky to get away with skinned arms , legs, and a busted helmet.
I was not intentionally ignoring the limits of the board. I happened to be on an extremely slight downward inclined street. I was not at or near %100 power and I was below the max speed of the board. At the very least it required a multitiered warning system to save the rider this pain.
I was saved by my helmet and Ive never been more grateful to have been wearing it at the time.
I got a dislocated shoulder.
@carsheaven
How can you have an extremely slight downward incline?
All the adjectives are contradictions. So you must have been on level ground.
Sue them. I won 30,000$ and had my medical bills paid for.
@@darksideblues135 ~ No part of that sentence was a contradiction. It was downhill over a large distance. Is that easier to understand? Or do you just like making inane comments to pretend you are superior to others on the internet?
@@darksideblues135 I hope you learn how to google words you are unsure of, it will at least help make you SEEM less stupid that confidently using them incorrectly.
here, i'll break the meaning of 'extremely slight downward incline' down for you, word by word: 'extremely' means very or a lot, 'slight' means small, 'downward' means towards a lower place, and 'incline' means slope. combine those together and you get a very small slope towards a lower place.
Don't forget, now that the item has been recalled, it becomes illegal to now sell that item. Your only option this leaves you with is to claim your $100 compensation to buy a new $1500 device... Sounds like this benefits the company more than the consumer.
Yep
I imagine it's a way to incentivize companies to actually do recalls instead of just leave them under the table.
Yeah right what happened when all the 3wheelers got recalled back in the 80s? Price spiked on 2nd hand market!
I´s not like they are going to come to your door and force you to throw it
You are mistaken. The software is what has been recalled, once updated with compliant software, that device is no longer under active recall, making it perfectly legal to sell.
“I think it’s really important to separate the user error mistakes, from the issues that are actually manufacturer defects”
As you said.
Won't happen. The CPSC hates darwinism. A good case in point. Lawn darts getting banned back in the 80's. There were zero manufacture defects with those. The deaths and injuries were 100% caused by user stupidity.
I skateboard...
Sometimes a crack or a pebble brings the board to a complete stop but due to inertia the body wants to move forward!
As skateboarders we get used to this dilemma.... we still fall but we know what's coming... Sometimes!
My biggest issue with this recall is its not for the right reasons, likely meaning the right things wont get fixed. Ghosting and that crappy little battery connector? Nope, recalled cause people arent wearing helmets.
Edit: yep after watching louis brought up all the right points, as i expected.
Also louis ill have you know i was wearing my schematics or die tshirt while working on my 1991 f250. It seemed appropriate.
Exactly, there should be a recall because of the many real issues but because 4 people died because they weren’t wearing helmets and were pushing the board pass it’s capabilities, it doesn’t make sense.
7.3 IDI or a gasser? :P
@@kyyuhl glorious 7.3 idi with aftermarket turbo. 5 speed manual, 4x4 with locking front hubs. Minimal rust.
@@YourLordMobius nice! I have a '92 F350 Dually 2WD with the NA 7.3 IDI and the awful E40D 5 Speed Auto. It rides like a log wagon but can tow anything. Enjoy it :D
I was thrown off of my pint seemingly out of nowhere on a somewhat bumpy sidewalk. I landed on my hand and broke my arm and wrist in 3 different places as well as dislocating a part of my wrist. Part of it will never heal. I felt no noticeable pushback before eating shit and nearly breaking my neck.
If you're going to ride a onewheel, PLEASE WEAR A HELMET AND WRIST GUARDS! Treat it like a motorcycle: ride with all the gear, all the time. You WILL fall, no matter how good you are. It's a matter of when you will fall. Pushback is not infallible. Please ride within your limits and the limits of your board.
It's also a good idea to learn and practice the old tuck and roll technique if you're riding anything.
I'd extend this plea for helmets and wristguards to longboard and skateboard riders too, buddy of mine got FUCKED falling off his cruiser on a fast downhill
I like the polyphia pfp
@@gezenews A Skateboard has way more wheels and is 100% user skill based. This is 1 wheel, and a motor is balancing you, and its hitting speeds of up to 20 mph while on flat ground. If you're on a skateboard and decide to bomb down a hill on your own choice thats fine. Thats a choice you've made. But driving this one wheel at 20mph and it throwing you off due to its malfunctioning components is absolutely not the same thing or even close to similar.
These things seem much more dangerous than a motorcycle or bicycle. Even if the thing turns off or the software fails i can roll off the street on my bike. On the one wheel, its balancing with software, if that thing loses power I imagine you go flying off.
I bought it when it first came out. I absolutely loved riding it. I rode it everyday. It was like snowboarding on the roads. Great for desert living and no snow in sight. However, despite it's fun. It's basically a death trap with some serious issues. One being the way in which it forces you to fall. The placement of your front foot being forced to be sideways in order to activate the acceleration is a major problem because when it does nose dive. And it will. You are forced to hit the ground in a side falling motion that can cause some major damage. Now I had worn the typical protection gear for all of my rides but one. Except this one. I kept the helmet but got lazy and ditched the elbows and knees. On this ride I tried the extreme setting and boy let me tell you that was exhilarating. These things can move! But the biggest flaw aside from the horrible design in the falling. Is the battery! Now I had my phone strapped to my arm so I could monitor the battery life. But what I wasn't aware of is the fact that the monitoring system was not accurate to the actual life of the battery. I was just down the street from my house. I high tailed it back home with 25% battery life. More than enough for just down the street or so I thought. But coming around the corner and accelerating to 20 mph the battery died and seized the wheel locking it into a no spin full stop, the wheel skidded and I hit the pavement like I just got plowed by a semi-truck. Because of the design and forced placement of my feet. I had no time or way to roll out of the fall. I hit the pavement first with my hip, then my elbow. Both destroyed. I fractured my hip and broke my elbow. I have never felt such unbelievable pain. I was in shock. Luckily my neighbors saw the whole thing and called 911. I was in the middle of the road and bleeding out. I could have easily died if no one was there because I could barely move. It took me a couple of months of recovery. I tried finding info on this but there weren't many people talking about this back then. And the company had no mention of it. I read the book back to back and they did have something in there that didn't make them liable if there was a battery issue. But I do feel like this company should be held accountable for creating a very very unsafe board. I cringe every time I see people riding these things now.
However I have seen a guy that built a wheel system that attaches to the front of the board that makes it so if the nose does dive. Instead of coming to a full stop, you simply roll forward with the nose dive and can actually recover without falling. That should be implemented into the build because it absolutely works. I'm not surprised there's a recall. And I know a lot of people that will say oh well this was rider error. But it simply wasn't. It's a design flaw and lack of accountability. I had nothing to do with the wheel locking. And I did everything I could to monitor that battery life based off what the book suggested I do. My only error wasn't wearing proper protective gear. But honestly, it's not enough. After that, I did ride it again. But this time I purchased motorcycle to protect my entire top body and football hip protectors for the lower half. I looked absolutely ridiculous but I wasn't going to put myself out of work again after that one. I sold it shortly after because it was just too dangerous and I really had to much fear about the whole thing after that.
The fact that it doesnt freewheel when the battery dies (or in any failure state) is insane to me. That alone shouldve been good enough grounds for a lawsuit. At least if it freewheeled a skilled rider would probably be able to lean back and skid to a stop, but without that it just might as well be advertised as an ejection seat.
Dude u nearly described my experience exactly
Same nose dive on about 20%
I’m a lifelong combat athlete and I have never felt an impact like that
I have also been hit by a car as a pedestrian
Not even close to how hard it hit the pavement it was like being catapulted into the ground
Still rehabbing the shoulder , destroyed my rotator cuff and cracked my humerus
@@Nyquil98 that was my exact thoughts! Locking the wheel doomed me. I had no chance man.
@@bigtreecombatacademy2927 wow, yes it fucked me up bad. I hope you heal up fast bro. These things are so dangerous. I’m sure there will be a class action law suit at some point.
I once had my phone die on me when it was still at 15% battery.
The best theory for why I could come up with is that such a low percentage is perfectly fine for basic use, but that it cannot deliver peak power output anymore.
So if you went 20 mph (which I'm assuming is full speed?), I could imagine that the voltage dropped 0.1V too low, and some safety kicked in that said "I'm not getting sufficient power, so let's shut down" (or something like that).
Note to idiots: this is not me screaming user error, just connecting separate dots to hypothesize a potential causal mechanism
I hope you both make a full recovery, and wish you'd just gotten a scraped knee instead back then
I have had my pint x for around 1 and a half years now and have ridden it over 3000km. It’s important to note that sometimes pushback can go unnoticed specifically when riding on a hill or in any high torque situation. I think that adding this haptic buzz will help users notice the limit of there board better in these situations and is a really good idea to prevent injuries. Because the two times where I have gotten thrown off my board at 25km/h have been in those situations.
* injuries
i have been thrown off my xr going up a hill before but thankfully i was going up a hill so when it happened i was easily able to run it out.
Only adding a preventative warning on such a dangerous and unacceptable flaw that is inherent in its design is pure negligence..
Nosedives are caused by a lack of necessary voltage required to keep the rider upright on the machine. If a rider decides to attempt to throttle at high speeds, the motor will lack the power to hold the board upright and literally shut down. This is unacceptable and could have been avoided with a more powerful motor and speed governor. But future motion decided to stick with the underpowered 750 watt motor, as it was cheaper and easier to market a motor that lies within the limit for street legal use..
@@iliketowatch.thanks for adding to the comment.
@@gstylez0107OMG don’t even get me started on how bad of a company they are, and this issue is only the start. The wiring issue with the pint x is horrible and they don’t even want to say anything about it. My board didn’t look that bad after I opened it but it was definitely starting to hurt the wires and it’s a miracle nothing bad happened with it after the 2500km I had ridden prior to opening my board to fix the issue.
I work as a small time delivery guy for a sandwich shop and I deliver using the Onewheel "Pint X" model specifically. I took my board to get worked on to a guy in LA, Matt Feige, Onewheel Guru Tire guy. We found the nasty wiring issue and we had to custom fit the wires better just so the balancing wires wouldn't get cut... he said if I rode any longer it would've been cut and I could've gotten hurt badly.
Problem is fixed and the board has been completely overhauled, but for a $1,400 product I shouldn't be making these aftermarket changes due to obvious negligence...
Can't believe my warranty is voided due to the fact that I had to make a custom fix to my board that the company couldn't care fix... they dont even want us to repair our own shit even if it's life saving...
I'm a traditional skateboarder (well over 30 years now), and these things have always freaked me out. A guy in a small town next to my city lost his life a couple of years ago on an electric skateboard (head injury), and it invites people who have never ridden an actual board to just zoom around without the feel, control, and conditioning I personally feel you need.
Fellow skateboarder here and I agree, that’s a great point. When you start skating it’s very difficult and takes months and really years to get comfortable balancing.
@@matthayes5670 - yes indeed! Street skating is dynamic, and for us our ability limited what we had access to... I just see these as dropping folks into a dangerous situation for the exact reason you said fam... a bike or scooter form factor I can understand, and I'm not saying these should be banned (in principle, I mean) since there are some skilled folks, but the initial risk factor is just way too high.
Sorry for the rambling man, I just really hate the way marketers and "influencers" have made these things look like something you can just hop on and do whatever your imagination allows... the newbs don't know any better. I had to do a lot of pushback with folks after the guy I mentioned died... I feel horrible for him and his family, but in our small area with a rather healthy skate community, the local media was trying to make it look like a skateboarding fatality as opposed to a motorized mobility device fatality.
And that's my blog. lol
Too many inexperienced people on electric propelled death machines
i never skated before i got my electric ab a year ago and I actually think it's easier to learn on the electric.
@@hudsonclarkk - that's the problem
Not enough is being said about how this haptic update also patches things like rewheel and other third party software that allows programing and sensor monitoring for the right to repair community. This is a huge setback for right to repair. Once you do the update, you’re board basically becomes useless for anything else in the future because it can’t be swapped in with any other hardware. Just think about the e-waste they’re creating by being this selfish.
Thank you for making this summary video. The OneWheel subreddit deleted my comment repeating the wiring issues you've pointed out before. It's incredible how irresponsible they've been, and continue to be. I'm sadly not surprised by the rushed, negligent behavior of the cpsc in running this recall.
If they recall for the ghosting, they admit the accident was their fault, and open themselves up to legal trouble
Exactly
really glad you tied this issue back into the larger issue of consumer protection in the US.
the problems with the onewheel are just symptoms of a larger problem
The laws here are written by & for large corporations & their shareholders, not you & I.
the $100 credit is the most hillarious part. They expect you to return a $1500 product in order to buy a worse product for another $1900. lmao.
Specially when the one you own basically has no issues being fixed in the new one
Onewheel v1 and onewheel+ are max $400 now days and obsolete
Well, thats still what they payed for it. If anything, they should get more than they payed for it because of inflation.@@NeedNot
Explain how the new ones are worse, I'll wait..
@@cjadventures8840 less range, less power, less features, less developed. I have never actually ridden anything older than a 4209 xr which is what I ride but I've heard.
Yeah the older models are more unlocked in terms of things you can do with it but it's nothing some mods cant do on modern boards
I suspect this is a legal trick. By having a recall for something that is actually user error, they get to satisfy all the people who were demanding a recall WITHOUT accepting legal liability for any damage the product might have done.
When their customers who had issues find out there's a recall, most of them are just going to happily take their money back. SOME of them though, might feel they have been vindicated and could even try to sue... but if they do try, they'll find out that the recall was actually somewhat optional and there's actually no admission of defect... so this gets everyone off their backs WITHOUT having a class-action on their hands.
It's a have your cake and eat it too move. Make the pissed off customers shut up WITHOUT taking on any actual responsibility.
A lawsuit will provide DISCOVERY and we can see their internal communications! That'll do the trick
@@pautaylonot for non US companies, they simply dont comply.
@@wm2008I'm talking about future motion; incorporated in CA since 2013
You sometimes bash your ISP, and now I get why.
“I hope you are having a lovely Friday morning” and the video finally uploads on Sunday morning instead, they really did you dirty .
All my homies hate Spectrum
My fam had spectrum for a while, had to call them every time we had a family movie night
One of the biggest reasons corpos would want to end right to repair would be to stifle investigation and awareness like this.
These flaws will put the company under. They should get ready for the lawsuits. They had an idea and pushed it through with no actual R&D
Start up frenzy is all about cutting the corners before you run out of money
@@ChrisAthanas this is exactly why I refuse to back anymore Kickstarters after the whole anzene energy debacle. I've lost trust.
Shoulda done a deal with Shane Chen and made EUCs.
Classic sequence of events here friends:
1) US based company makes a cool new thing.
2) People misuse the new thing and hurt themselves.
3) The injured people refuse to accept any responsibility and blame the company.
4) The ensuing wave of litigation either forces the company to kneecap their product, or they fold entirely.
5) In light of this new gap in the market Chinese manufacturers build a knockoff of the original, further undermining the US company as giving the middle finger to the safety regulators.
I’ve had 3 Onewheels, an XR, a Pint X, and a GT. Cumulatively I have ~4000 miles on them. I’ve nosedived once, it was my fault. I’ve fallen and received scars and sprained wrists. Never did I think “How could this have happened?!?!?” I thanked my helmet, started wearing wrist guards, and reminded myself that I’m riding a god damn one-wheeled board at high speeds on asphalt. Duh!
@@LittleLunaFox 4000 miles bro stop capn/ i ride everyday to work and take a bus and ride at least 3 miles on my Tynee Mini 3 pro and barley have 100 miles on it since i got it in June.
Gotta love it when someone gives me a solution to a problem I don't have.
For context, it only takes a 12mph impact to trigger a moderate TBI. (We're talking about injuries with a high likelihood of disability, and injuries with a limited range of recovery - permanent loss of IQ, change in personality, psychiatric illness, motor dysfunction)
Helmets please! Everyone, especially kids.😊
I bought a Onewheel Pint X to try out, immediately had ghosting issues, sold it after repair and moved on to EUCs and haven't looked back. When one company has an enforced monopoly on a product category, there is no incentive for them to compete on things like safety features
EUCs aren't perfect, but there are progress being made, OneWheel seems stuck in time.
Electronic UniCycle? That's my best guess as to what EUC means.
@@fffrrraannkkcorrect, similar to onewheels with the main differences being a thinner tire that you ride forward instead of sideways like a skateboard
Good news is their competition is ramping up, floatwheel and other similar projects are doing great and I'm hopeful the sport will survive and hopefully future motion improves as a company as well
@@venykridTrotter is nice too. I like my magwheel
My take on this is that they know it has a ton of hardware problems, but hardware problems are expensive to fix. If they can recall the product for some user experience issue they can justify the fix being just a software update. Pushing a software update (assuming this device has an app/Bluetooth connection to receive it) is way cheaper than replacing every hardware unit ever sold. It all comes down to money in the end. Even if they have to receive all the units back to the factory and JTAG them with new software, still way cheaper than manufacturing all new hardware.
This isn't accountability, it's a farce. It's a way for them to say "look how much we care" while not having to spend the real money to fix the real problems.
Hey calc! I agree and also love openRGB. Keep up the good work!
I have a similar device and the manufacturer can and has made firmware updates available.
It would benefit from the haptic feedback enhancement. I'm going to suggest it. Airwheel S6, Airwheel S8 and their Electric Unicycles (EUC's) could all use it. I've crashed because I didn't hear the audio warning. It doesn't have pushback either.
Good point @johnhaller5851. This recall definitely does not require shipping the unit; the recall site/page indicates it's done with (the latest version of) the Onewheel app. Our hero is, as I'm proud that he acknowledges so well, of course, human.
If you look at Tesla's software recalls, they have to issue a recall for software changes for safety fixes. I think it's just part of the process to improve awareness of safety changes
Thanks for mentioning the $100 credit. Future Motion is just trying to offend us at this point.
For about 6 years I've been riding an EUC, a similar vehicle.
I can say from experience you are spot on. $100 credit is a poor excuse for an apology.
Let me introduce you to another problem. Going down a hill uses regenerative breaking which charges the battery, if the battery hits 100% charge the whole thing turns off.
This fact cost me 600 dollars in medical bills and erased a week of my memory even though I was wearing a helmet.
Wow, so they've either the wrong BMS not designed for regen braking, or they completely screwed up the configuration if that's the case.
doesn't this thing have actual mechanical brakes, that convert the energy to heat instead of electricity, that potentially can't be stored anywhere?
@@terasestHammasratas Nope, other EUCs don't have those either, but far as I know so do most EUC solve this by not checking if the battery could over charge as if you are heading downhill and need to break, then you need to break not consider what lets your battery live longer. So if you want to save your battery then don't charge it full and then head downhill the first thing you do.
@@znail4675 I feel like there should be a mechanical brake, that can be gradually applied by the software or a resistor for when the battery gets full to convert the electric energy form the regenerative braking to heat instead of potentially damaging the battery
Oh yeah you should always keep your phone on ring so you can hear the audible warning chimes in certain scenarios like this, but also they did fix that in the new firmwares to warn you better
Part of the lawsuit is that the original Onewheel has a tendency to malfunction and not to give the warning (tiltback) before it cuts out.
The newer models are receiving an update with an additional warning, the older ones not, and the owner has said all owners of the original should discontinue riding it, and they can receive a discount on a new onewheel
They made the new ones Far more dangerous. Pushbacm is very dangerous if you are going downhill..
I own a Plus, the discount is really lame and because I know the limits of the board and ride with safety gear I'm just going to continue using it into the foreseeable future
Plus one wheel sats only they can fix it, ghosting says they have not tested product diligently
But that cost must be passed to consumer as one wheel cant possibly be responsible for issues. Remember tricycle atvs were outlawed becaues idiots were riding like idiots. Flaws in construction cannot be acknowledged or it will cost them. That connector is undersized for sure. Been junky from day one. One wheel is a crappy company
Another example of a onewheel oversight when it comes to the quality of their product is their complete lack of water proofing (and added to that the fact that water damage voids your warranty) despite them selling them to places that regularly experience torrential rainfall such as washington.
I know not entirely relevant but i got my first ebike partially because of you. I dont live in a big city but took it out for the day to ride to a bigger city and made it 62 miles before having to recharge it. Best pirchase of my life and way more enjoyable than buying a car instead.
I wonder how One-Wheel will deal with the new EU edict that all such devices have to have user replaceable batteries. I bet they'd rather stop selling in Europe than redesign their product to meet the new regulations.
I don't understand why they can't just program it to not even go beyond a safe power draw
This is what I was thinking also. If there is a balance between keeping the board stable and providing movement power, shouldn't it be possible to just ensure there is always enough power available for the stability part of the equation?
The required power likely varies with terrain, so a buffer would be needed, but that otherwise sounds almost trivial.
@@demon4511 yes and the max power would diminish with discharge unless it has a voltage booster built in as well
You're running into an issue of momentum then. If the board just applied brakes on its own, then people would just fall off the front of the board before it nosedives.
@@nathanofearthh I don't think anyone meant to imply it should apply breaks.
It's more about when the user is "asking" for more power/speed, if providing that additional power would lead to insufficient power for the self balancing, then the device should not increase power and instead stay at whatever power level it is at.
It sounds like currently the device is aware it won't have enough power for self balancing, but it just plays a beep/whatever, then increases the speed anyway, leading to the self balancing failure.
@@demon4511 again, the problem with that proposition is that this is a one wheeled board we're talking about. There's only one contact point with the ground. If the rider leans forward and the board does not compensate by accelerating, the rider will fall forward, in the direction of their lean. Unlike a four-wheeled skateboard, the one wheel does not have any physical support underneath the riders front or back foot. Instead the singular pivot point is between each foot. The whole way the wheel keeps the rider balanced is by calculating the rider's lean position using an IMU chip and compensating by accelerating or decelerating.
Still betcha those motors were keyed with ID chips.
Ayy! You ever messed with a VESC Ben Heck?
Hey Louis, be careful having fragrances getting contact with sunlight it damages the perfume and can change the smell and how well it performs. Even thought that bottle is quite obscure it still can do some damage overtime
As a person who owned and drove three Rambler American automobiles built in successive years I appreciate your vigilance and commitment to ethics. For those of you who don't know about the Rambler American: It's the car Ralph Nader would have illuminated if the Chevy Corsair had never existed. The throttle stuck open at the top of a hill once then two more times on that same hill after professional help. The doors would pop open in turns due to body flexion. The seat belts would only seem to latch then fall open. (Damn aftermarket products!) The window would bounce off the track going over bumps thus assuming the open position in snow or rain. The hood opened on the highway a few times even though I checked it before departing. The turn signal lever fell off in my hand. I got out and got ankle bashed by a one wheel. One of the above things did not happen. I scrapped the last one in 1978.
Interesting, I didn't even know Rambler American cars existed.
@kinghenry7058 In Soviet Russia they giggled at the superiority of the Trabaunt.
How do we, as consumers, stop this
Wear full slate of protective gear from kneepads, elbowpads, helmet, etc everytine you get on this device to massively reduce risk of death
Ride a device which is stable without power?
@@rossmanngroupYou must adopt the Texas and simply shoot all onewheels on sight Louis.
@@rossmanngroupThat'll only protect the rider. What about people around... like that old lady? Is she supposed to wear full protection in case some onewheeler suddenly shows up in the general area?
Not buy it.
I ride an ordinary kick scooter. I use it every day for errands, going to the grocery store, the bank, and restaurants. I love it. If I need to travel long distances, I fold up the scooter and slide it underneath the seats on the subway. Seven years ago I paid $180 for my Oxelo Town 9 and it's still going strong. When people see me, they think about gesturing a big fat "L" on their foreheads... OMG, it's so funny. Every once in a while people will ask me if my scooter is electric. I say, "no," and their eyes glaze over. The other day I bought groceries to make blueberry muffins. The grocery bags were hanging on my handlebars so I was scooting more slowly to avoid an accident. I then stopped at a red light to cross Broadway, the longest busiest street in Manhattan. When the light turned green, I started crossing on my kick scooter. This guy, on his Onewheel, without a helmet, ignored the red light in his direction. I pushed out slowly from behind a car knowing that I was difficult to see. I am cautious when I cross the street, mostly to avoid the e-bike delivery drivers that don't obey traffic laws. This guy on the Onewheel didn't see me and I didn't see him. I had about 1/10th of a second to react. Should I stop? Should I keep going? We both swerved. He was going full speed, like Louis said, about 20 mph, and again, without a helmet! We were so close to a major crash, I literally felt the air pass across my face. If we had crashed, we both would've been either hospitalized or dead. I blinked and he was gone. When I finally crossed the street, I had to get off of my scooter and stop for a rest because I was trembling so badly. In this instance, it doesn't matter who had the right of way. I don't care that he went through a red light. In the end, I was fine. He, however, was a speeding along at 20 mph without a helmet on a busy street filled with potholes and careless drivers. There is zero I can say or do to change his behavior. In an instant your life can change and we often don't have control over it.
Also, Oxelo (looked up the brand) are made or designed by the French so they probably use much higher quality fasteners and components compared to OneWheel. Manual is better than electric for certain things, and a kick scooter is much more trustworthy compared to electric.
They should be force limited to 10mph
@@cheeeeezewizzzmy top speed on my one wheel is 25.9 mph 😂😂😂 they can go above the posted 20mph limit especially downhill.
All of us live with the chance of instant death coming from nowhere... However, I have 1 tip for bags on scooter handlebars to avoid the pendulum effect and causing instability.
Put each handle of the bag on each end of the handlebar so it doesn't swing. Let the bag or bags hang in front and/or behind.
You could use a back pack, (which also adds protection), and/or get or make a bigger scooter with a rack.
@@ahaveland In this instance, I only had 2 bags of groceries, both were balanced on handlebars nicely. When I've cooked large dinners I've carried up to 10 bags of groceries with a backpack full of wine. It's crazy how much stuff I've been able to carry on an ordinary kick scooter.
"Don't delay, buy today" - in that voice, hilarious.
Great video - there are not enough people who are passionate about calling out bad business and the lack of respect some businesses have for their consumers. Every apathetic attitude towards bad business just emboldens these companies to care less. Thank you Louis!
Anytime I read or even hear that said, I hear it in Louis's voice.
Thanks as always !
Push back isnt felt when your at the upper end of the weight limit. I got a radial head fracture in my left arm. Nearly full battery just nose dived without any noticeable alert. It should beep also.
As a former customer service rep there, the default answer on the wiring harness is that it is tampering from the customer, not from the manufacturer. They will offer a chance for the customer to pay to repair it and "educate" them on letting a dedicated service team open it (the one that only has one location) and will often refute the issues based off other damages inside or even damages outside. In these instances, since they "cannot verify it wasn't the customer" (and don't get me wrong, some customers do some very dumb things to their boards), then they will wait for the customer either pay to have the parts replaced or buy a new board all together.
EDIT: and if they are giving away $100 to buy a new Onewheel, they are hating this every step of the way. The company doesn't like discounts except for when they control them and any discounts are often seen as a compounding issue. If I give customer A the discount, then I have to give customer B-ZZZ the same discount. It "isn't fair to the company" to have these discounts out and about.
Nah they just bump the price up by $100. Wouldn't be the first, won't be the last time.
I bet they're still making profit after the $100 discount. They are laughing their way out of this one, they don't have to fix any hardware issue, no fine, no accountability, and if you want a replacement you gotta pay up.
@@Segab Oh, they are, but they still hate discounts. Trust me, after handing out $25 for being a veteran and having veterans threaten to come down to office and "beat the cheap out of us," you can see how the reputation precedes them
@@bdot02 They don't want to be too high in the market. Sales are already struggling before the GT was released and they understood they were more than the Onewheel when they changed their signatures to Future motion
Now they can tell their congressmen "hey, we recalled all our devices for safety improvements" and the greyhairs will just nod and smile.
This reminds me of why I went with an electric longboard instead. For starters there are MANY companies making them, and the competition means everyone making one can't get too lazy and complacent. Then there is the fact that electric longboards will still function as a traditional longboard, just a really heavy one, if they lose battery or stop working for whatever reason, as you have the same standard 4 wheel setup you would find on any board.
Can't ride that on a dirt trail.
@@MrDmadness Actually, they have a brand that specializes in off-road electric longboards. Propel EV.
@@jjay350 theyve had them forever, theyre still not gonna be nimble enogh to navigate trails like a one wheel can
@@MrDmadness What? The off-road longboards can have full suspension with springs and shocks, dual-motor AWD, and big knobby tires filled with air. They are vastly superior to a big wheel on trails.
@@jjay350 ive ridden several of them.. for a straight line trail maybe, but for a typical trail having the ability to pivot on a single tire is superior everytime, thats why i have over 30,000km trail riding onewheels and under 200km riding all mountain boards. Im not trying to pick a fight here im giving you the straight dope
Consumer protection in the US only matters once it comes with a class action law suit and even then, companies hardly care.
Part of it is that they stick arbitration clauses in the fine print nobody has the time or training to read.
We often _can’t_ file class actions
See this is actually why Regulation is supposed to exist, to make sure companies like this don't exist or pay the price for their stupidity. The Government is actively stupid as hell.
This recall isn't toothless, it's actually biting the plaintiffs instead of the offender!
And the argument is so beyond ridiculous, it's hard to believe in incompetence, there must be some corruption involved here! Just let that sink in:
1. Being unable to fix it through a (OTA) software update is no reasonable excuse not to fix it! If they _really_ can't put new software on that chip, they should have to replace the whole chip (or even the whole control board and circuitry). I wonder if they'd still say they can't update the firmware on the chip under these conditions!
2. Even IF the product was so fundamentally flawed, that it can not be brought into a safely operable state (Which they should be far too ashamed to admit in a partial recall, as it would mean that ALL of their products are fundamentally and irreparably unsafe), then they should have to refund the FULL purchase price (including shipping) AND pay in CASH! Handing out freaking _vouchers_ (like the people who experienced ghosting, shorts or battery fires would even WANT to purchase another Future Motion product! 🤦♂) that are anywhere from 5% all the way down to *2.5%* original price of the product is a slap to the face AND a kick in the guts! companies routinely hand out better vouchers than that during promotional campaigns! Which brings me to then final point:
3. THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING A TON OF NEW SALES FROM THAT SO-CALLED RECALL!!! (If the customers whose boards won't be fixed by the recall don't ignore, which on these terms they absolutely SHOULD!) Depending on how many of the recalled boards can not receive the software update and how many of those that can't receive it are sent in, they turn turn a STINKING BIG PROFIT from this "recall"!
Recalls are supposed to COST the manufacturer money, not make them a profit! The whole point of an obligatory recall is to force the manufacturer to repair manufacturing defects that they refuse(d) to repair because it would cost them too much money!
There is an offbrand controller you can replace the old one with that works better, at least after some work.
Wait, they DID fix ghosting on the GT though! Albeit too late, but they sent out replacement footpads with weaker sensors for free to anyone who had the old one. And they did that worldwide! I got mine in Estonia, almost half way around the world. All new GT's are also sold with these less sensitive footpads that are not getting stuck anymore.
Yeah that was fixed a while ago
The dude skating on his hands without gloves. One slipup and he will experience first hand how pressing your flesh against a 40 grit belt sander at full throttle feels like. Got it.... "first hand". Man I'm so funny
Ghosting should be simple to solve -- power is only applied if both feet are on the pads. Just have some pressure sensors in the two foot placements in the board and the running away is fixed.
Louis Rossman: Every death is a tragedy.
Future Motion: Every death is one less plaintiff.
Not true, the family of the deceased, can, in many instances, become the plaintiff.
What if you marketed the ghosting 'feature' as FSD (Full Self-Driving)?
They might be better off marketing it as a Self-Parking feature.
This type of wiring and connector crud was unacceptable back in the '80s, when we were replacing the standard, substandard car radios with proper receiver/amp/speaker arrangements. This is also prevalent in the automobile industry - I'm looking at you, PULSE - for today's motor vehicle dealer-installed upgrades.
Back when I was buying a used car in the '70s, '80s and even '90s, I could grade on a curve, depending on how much work would be required to return the hack job back to normal: ever since '96, when OBDII and CANBUS were required components, it's turned into a pass/fail decision: "did they add anything? Yes? No Sale!"
I remember the whole selling point was “The government is trying to stop us from selling this”
Gotta love how TH-cam runs a competitor's data recovery ad on your videos. Seen it numerous times now, and only on your videos.
I experienced a dangerous situation due to pushback while riding my pint x. I was going uphill and couldn't detect the pushback warning. With over 35 years of experience in skateboarding, snowboarding, and surfing, I consider myself fortunate to know how to handle falls and was wearing a helmet; otherwise, I might have ended up in the hospital. It's clear that this product is not intended for regular riders. Love my One wheel but I ride it every time with caution.
Yeah uphills is always dangerous if you try to push even a little bit the board sadly. Glad you’re ok
The GT ghosting issue was addressed in an August 2022 recall.
www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2022/Future-Motion-Recalls-Footpads-for-Onewheel-GT-Electric-Skateboards-Due-to-Bystander-Injury-Hazard-Recall-Alert
The government is working as intended appearing like doing something but effectively being worse than not doing anything at all.
FutureMotion's response to these issues will probably be something like this: "We apologize for the confusion and angst......"
I really appreciate you correct usage of the word “power” in this video. People so often mix up the meanings of the words power and energy.
My OneWheel XR has nosedived on me several times without pushback. Each one was less than 10mph and I still have over 75% charge. There are more flaws than advertised.
I’m keeping my Plus and they can kiss my butt. Respect pushback, be mindful of your terrain, know this is an inherently unstable device and proceed accordingly.
One thing I'd like to add is that if you lean forward heavily with your whole body, then you might not feel pushback at all. Though if you're doing that, then even with the new haptic buzz you could fall before you have time to react.
Especially if ur heavy
If you do that you're not riding it properly. Lean with the hips only, not your whole body.
Look into the xt60 connectors in the gt. The pint x wire harness issues. You’ll be in awe….
They already recalled the Front Footpads for the GT that were causing the ghosting originally
I have two Yuneec Ego's and two Yuneec Ego-2's. Not fast, but the BEST ride out there. I have over 1000 MILES on one. I used then for commuting to school.
I traded a Boosted dual for the two new Ego-2s. Never any trouble!
Love them!❤❤❤❤
well they can't say that they're recalling it for the reason they're actually are recalling it for, or they might have to accept liability ...
Relying entirely on electronics and software to keep you balanced and not falling is a terrible idea to begin with.
Especially in era of "push it out now, we'll patch it later" mentality. Sorry you broke your nose, sir, have you updated the firmware?
The issue is there isn't a backup battery or board for the purpose of stopping when there's a cutout
The Onewheel looks like two things to me: a speedy trip to the hospital or the morgue.
A lot more people might be in the morgue if it weren't for the joy/thrill of the Onewheel experience. Especially during the recent dark period of our history. As far as risky behavior goes, being on one of those things is better than some of the other choices.
@@1empyre1life... I have always known that the magic of the internet is that no matter what I post, especially on TH-cam, is that I will always get a nonsensical, unwarranted reply from a random douchebag. Thank you for living up to that ironclad observation.
I've accidentally approached max on a couple occasions and also had my battery run out mid-ride. In all cases I felt nothing. No pushback, no resistance, nothing. The gyroscopic functions of the motor just suddenly ceased. I was lucky to be near grass or landscaping mulch each time, and just rode it out.
Thanks for bringing these issues up Louis, Family member asked me about my thoughts on these for a christmas gift i strongly recomended no and sent them your videos
ran the battery on my pint too low (appearently) and when i was nearly top governed speed (16mph) board did the typical nosedive and i went flying with essentially 0 room to run off my excess speed since im riding perpendicular to the road-- ended up scraping up my left hip, hairline fractured my left distal clavicle, and concussed my head on the road pretty good. I seem to remember the battery still having a few bars, like max red or minimum yellow, so pretty sure the battery dosent warn you early enough. But i bought the device knowing full well it was the touted "most dangerous vehicle in the world" so i have nobody to blame but myself and harbor no ill-will, just buyer beware.
Just out of curiosity. Were you wearing any protective gear?
And that's why I prefer riding my bicycle. Sure it's not "cool", but it's pretty safe.
Maybe one day I'll get a 16mph electric one.
You probably suffered from sudden voltage drop/sag during high load on low battery leading to a system cut out. It’s happened to me as well, fortunately only scrapes, and upon further research is a known issue. I ramp down my speed as I get below 10% and not had any more cut outs.
I've owned the Onewheel XR since it came out, I ride it almost every day, and I push it pretty hard and I have never had a nose-dive. I always respect the pushback and slow down. The haptic feedback that they are implementing is a good idea, and I think will reduce user errors causing nose dives. Never experienced ghosting but yeah that sounds like an issue with the foot sensor system
I’ve also never had an issue with my XR 🤷♂️
It's people complaining that the board did something wrong when it was their dumbass not listening to the board and telling you its going over the limit.@@blingdog15
My xr works fine. I stay well below top speed. 5k miles. 17.5 is my top speed. Super fun and healthy. 65 yrs old.
Same bro. I love my XR, not a single problem with it.@@ken-mb5cp
Yep xr is the model with the least problems. 8000km on mine and I’ve had 1 issue with the controller that was easily fixed. Now I recently bought a new gt and I already have footpads and sensor problems. Fuck fm
I have no experience with this product, but it seems to me that there's another significant aspect to the ghosting issue. The ghosting issue effects people who did *NOT* buy the device. If someone is using the Onewheel without wearing a helmet, that's *their* decision to take that risk. The woman who was hit by the ghosting-Onewheel did not make any decision about it. She was just walking along, and someone *else's* gadget caused *her* to be injured.
I think removing all patents of a company which does prevent a user in anything in there product would be a great motivation to get rid of all these problems
I grew up in a suburban town on a busy road that cars would constantly go 20 mph over the speed limit. We would skateboard, bike, play basketball on that road. We had a police officer tell our parents we can’t get speed bumps until multiple people got hurt and killed on our road.
That company will not change anything until more people come forward with injuries and deaths. I bet most accidents on the one wheel go unreported.
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company.
Perhaps if they do a recall on real manufacturing or design defects, they'd be more likely to be held liable for past damage. That could be why the strategy is to accept responsibility for "unforeseeable" user error, because then the user shares responsibility. It's always more difficult for management to admit fault which wholly resides prior to delivering the product.
According to their TH-cam video, they've created an update that provides the board with a haptic buzz warning if they speed limit is reached, but the also mention that haptic buzz can be disabled using the app. Some people are saying that the update bricked their boards and when they called the company, the company didn't have a fix, so they might have to send their boards back after trying to update it.
Haptic buzz cannot be disabled.
I guess im not connecting my board to my phone anymore 😂
You must have some amount over 1k miles, be an orl, and be at a race to disable haptic.
The low battery warning is a good change, my brother broke his arm when the one wheel shut off with no warning due to low battery
I remember looking at possibly purchasing one of these, but I read reviews where the users said when the battery got low or quit, it would just completely come to a dead stop.
I never purchased one because no one ever said this problem was fixed. Now I am glad I didn’t.
Louis, I enjoyed talking to you about onewheels at LTX and am glad you are making more content about them! Something that we are discovering, as the new firmware is being rolled out, is that it is bricking boards. Many GTs totally brick during the update, and FM has left the update live. They released it on a Friday and now are not supporting the many people who now have bricked boards simply because FM said it was safer. People in the onewheel discord are speculating that it is because of the bootloader. For the first time ever, future motion updated the onewheel bootloader. We speculate the reason they did this is to further remove our right to repair our boards. The previous bootloader let us change out firmware as we wanted. We needed to do this because the GT would brick itself if the battery was unplugged, and we would need to switch to older firmware that let us fix it. There are many layers to this issue and it is still evolving. Personally, I fear updating my GT because it might brick it, it takes away the ability to switch firmware, and who knows what other traps the new firmware has. I would love to know your thoughts on this.
As someone that has been involved in many bicycle and motorcycle accidents, I can attest to how invaluable a helmet is. Yes, I was wearing a helmet every time. Also, there is one video (no ads) on my channel that shows one of my motorcycle accidents--and I walked away because I was wearing a full-face (modular) helmet and other protective gear.
Wearing a motorcycle helmet is good because besides avoiding brain injuries then since I scraped paint off the back of my helmet I avoided having a bald spot the size of a baseball on the back of my head…
Always wear full face helmet, found out the hard way in a close call.
No one is going to your channel, stop plugging
@@makatron heh, missing teeth or breaking your jaw would make eating a bit hard, probably why motorcycle racers wear full face helmets, that plus the need to stay pretty in case you win the race and get photographed with a trophy 👍😏😊
I couldn't agree more, I have been riding onewheels for 4+ years at this point, and I have zero issues with the Safety features already built into the boards. Pushback is something you can't ignore, and the only times I have hurt myself on the board was due to my inexperience and ignoring the boards warnings. I can honestly say I haven't hurt myself in 3+ years, all of my injuries were caused in the first year due to my lack of experience and understanding of the boards mechanics. What I do take issue with is the build Quality. My XR is still going strong after 4 Years, but my GT broke on me in less than a year of ownership. This was due to a shorter than normal Motor cable, which pulled out whilst stopping and broke the pins in the motor connector. Luckily I was stopping so no injury, but that could have easily happened whilst going 20+ mph and I would have been hurt badly. After Lengthy talks with FM about getting the board in for repair, knowing exactly what was wrong, and asking for only that broken part to be shipped out to me I decided not to send the board back for repair. I live in the UK, and it would have cost more to ship back and get the repair than to buy another board. In the end, I looked to the VESC community to remove all Future Motion Parts from the board, Rewire the Battery Pack for a new BMS, and added some slack into all of the cables so this doesn't happen again. Now I have a working Board, which I would argue is safer than the stock boards provided from FM, due to all of the safety features the VESC community have added into the Firmware. I can now repair any broken part for around £300 and I never have to go through the headache of talking to FM again.
What's VESC?
@@cjadventures8840more customizable board that isn’t from Onewheel (I think I’m not too familiar)
@@endowbi2423 If that's correct then its about time Onewheel has some competition.
There are lockouts added into the new firmware that prevents you from using tools the community have developed to enable repairs outside of FMs control.
A buddy of mine has one, fell twice and was injured both times. He broke both shoulders. The maniac still rides it...
The going too fast issue has an easy fix. If you need x power for balance functionality you limit max speed to max-x. You DONT make that user optional because that isnt a preference that is a limitation of the design. At the most you allow that to be overriden through advanced controls with massive safety disclaimers. These guys are doing the like of selling a car where the brakes and steering dont work well past a certain speed and leaving the speed selection to that speed up to the driver. Ridiculous.
It's physically not possible to limit speed on a onewheel
@@techchannle4247 Sure it is, EUCs do it all the time and onewheel is just an EUC with different footpads.
@@znail4675 they don't tho. they just have way more over head
If the wheel stops I go flying, of the wheel goes faster you get "pushback" which tilts you backwards that can slow you down but if you lean forwards it physically can't tilt you back enough to slow down
@@techchannle4247 You are correct in that it's impossible to prevent user error, but it's possible to make it very difficult to ignore the sudden tilt back that if you still actively try to crash then that is on the user. I guess normal EUC are safer as the user doesn't have as much leverage to tilt forward.
@@techchannle4247 It shouldn't need to be tilted back to reduce the power tilting forward gives when a maximum speed it hit.
"I value my life more than I value my hair" And this is when I realize, the great Louis Rossman, is the boss of ALL heads, with a whopping 7HEAD! Not 4head, not 5head, 7head.
But I thought they were safe to do handstands on a busy sidewalk while crisscrossing through crosswalks (and totally not in traffic...) And the ghosting was just a minor issue, the device just wanted you to reach your destination as fast as possible. It was being courteous.
The 100 dollar refund is a slap in the face to those that first supported and help grow their business.
I saw this coming years ago when i bought an electric longboard. What a great idea equally tempered with excitement and the possibility of sudden death.
I like what Ricky Gervais said about the warning label on the bottle of bleach stating not to drink the contents: Let's remove the label for two years. Then we vote.
I like that idea very much.
This company may have issues but they did create one of the most innovative / enjoyable products I have ever purchased. 🤷♂️
Sadly many of the issues with the Onewheel could be addressed with routine maintenance. This is a device that can handle all sorts of terrain, gets beat up and tossed around but unlike a mountain bike/ snowboard etc you can’t take it to your local to get checked out/ replace worn, broken or dodgy parts. I’m in Europe, my only option is to send in by boat to America to get fixed “properly” waiting months and costing me outrageous amounts OR I DIY or find someone that’s a electrical engineer and also knows what’s up. Your move future motion….
P.S there’s plenty of people here in Europe that GIVE AF and have the appropriate degrees so start supplying pars or don’t be surprised if we (Europe and and most likely everyone outside of the cont. US) go VESC/FW
I hope Louis becomes a household name. Right to repair must be a priority when designing ANY mechanical or digital product. My smart phone should last me a decade, not two years.
Regardless of “pushback” or haptic feedback warning the user, the firmware of the board shouldn’t let you overload the engine to the point where critical functions stop working in the first place.
Exactly! There are so many other redundancies you can put in place. My boosted board beeps non stop when the Bluetooth disconnects.
thats what I was thinking. I aint a fan of automatic systems and safeties, especially those that potentially limit maximum performance, but this ones a no brainer. This is like selling a car with no rev limiter, except instead of throwing a rod through the block it throws you down the block.