Record Breaking Roller Coaster’s Design Risk - Falcon’s Flight Technical Analysis

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  • @ElToroRyan
    @ElToroRyan  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +171

    I have to extend a major thank you to my fellow nerds who watch my videos! There are a few things I would like to note regarding this video:
    - My math is off in the G-Force/Radius calculations. I forgot to account for the normal force 😬 The radiuses to achieve the G-Forces I discussed are still massive tho!
    - I say exponential growth but the correct term is quadratic growth!
    Thank you for the feedback everyone. This will all help lead to better videos in the future

    • @Crocks4311
      @Crocks4311 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice. Normal force is the force that the coaster pushes on you which is G force. On the ground you feel one G, Because Fn=Fg. If you are falling or getting floater there is no Normal, IE Zero gs. If you are doing a crazy inversion you have to accelerate towards the middle of the circle which is one of the reasons why you feel the largest force at the bottom. Fn has to be way bigger than Fg to accelerate upwards. 🤙

    • @BruinPhD2009
      @BruinPhD2009 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Block zones, you say? Go on…. 😂 I appreciate your analytical approach to your content; it’s fun and informative.

    • @robertpolk9910
      @robertpolk9910 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's ok, your math is always fuzzy! How did you get your degree..University of Phoenix?

    • @poppyonline4034
      @poppyonline4034 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertpolk9910thoughts and prayers over your small peepee

    • @HayFatYT
      @HayFatYT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hehe 100th like

  • @motrydooto1698
    @motrydooto1698 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +178

    I think people are underestimating the size of the rollercoaster. Those airtime hills some enthousiasts said to be forceless could be 30 to even 40 meters high. This rollercoaster will be an absolute mammoth. Those support beams will be the width of a train, maybe even thicker.

    • @SuperFlashDriver
      @SuperFlashDriver 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I think those supports would be akin to nearly the size of a medium shaped nuclear power plant oval circle structures you see at power plants and such, but that's just me.

    • @bpark10001
      @bpark10001 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Nope. If the hill is designed to produce zero-g then the coaster's force on them will be zero if the ride is operating as designed. The worst-case is the coaster STOPPED on the hill, where the force will be simply the weight of the coaster & riders if it stops top center. The worst load will be the weight of the structure itself, so it will need to be thick at the bottom (where there also positive g-loads). The presented appearance of the structure shows this: massive at the bottom, widely-spaced supports at the top.

  • @CZsWorld
    @CZsWorld 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +210

    I always thought the enthusiast hype over TTD rollbacks was stupid, because a rollback on TTD is essentially a normal ride on Superman Escape from Krypton.
    By the sound of it, Falcon's Flight rollbacks would be way cooler and give a unique ride experience.

    • @Sonic-gy7kq
      @Sonic-gy7kq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      The hype is due to it being incredibly rare. and experiencing the ride two times for the price of one. Superman was designed too, where TTD wasn't designed to every single time, as we obviously know, so the hype comes from first two sentences.

    • @scottyjbd
      @scottyjbd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Who wouldn’t want to experience 2 launches just a few moments apart?

    • @cmosser144
      @cmosser144 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @CZsWorld wait wait wait... you're a horror movie expert, baseball fan, AND a roller coaster enthusiast??? What a legend!!

    • @diamondjplayer5599
      @diamondjplayer5599 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      TT2: We have the fastest swing launch!
      Falcons Flight on its 14th trouble light for the day: 🥱

    • @krystalwitak5315
      @krystalwitak5315 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅

  • @adamdurbin6895
    @adamdurbin6895 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    No one does a coaster break down like El Toro Ryan. Great job dude as always. Merry Christmas to all my fellow Coaster Nerds

  • @hoosiercoasterfan2655
    @hoosiercoasterfan2655 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +213

    Putting aside the crazy top speed and the shit your pants height, let’s talk about that length. Not only is it gonna beat the previous world record by a significant amount, it also competes with some of the longest mountain coasters in the world, that’s insane. It doesn’t matter if it’s 13,000ft or 14,000ft, it’s an insane length that would’ve been unimaginable even a year ago.

    • @bredtoplease
      @bredtoplease 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @dyslexicbatnam1350 They have plenty of slave labor to accomplish that.

  • @kainpwnsu
    @kainpwnsu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I live in Utah where we have those big, red mesas. My immediate impression is that the desert landscape is extremely unstable. Mesas shed rocks and house size boulders all the time. How are they going to prevent erosion from shifting or destroying the coaster?

    • @jayking2919
      @jayking2919 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Run Rebar through it

    • @kainpwnsu
      @kainpwnsu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jayking2919 *visions of mountains of rebar*

  • @samuelitooooo
    @samuelitooooo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    I didn't know Velocicoaster had the features you highlighted here, like the swing launch to rescue itself and the option to completely stop the train on the first brake run at the end of the ride or continue rolling if unoccupied. This just made Velocicoaster fascinating

    • @m2tbone
      @m2tbone 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I got to ride Velocicoaster for the first time a week and a half ago, and I got to ride it three times. On my second ride, I got the rare opportunity to experience the backwards launch to forward launch to get over the top hat after our train was stalled at that second launch section. 😀

  • @andyroman8223
    @andyroman8223 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Im glad you mentioned the exponential radius situation with falcons flight. This seems to be the reason for i305 being so intense, as it takes a train going 90mph a long time to clear a 4g turn compared to a train going 50mph like on the megalites.

  • @HayFatYT
    @HayFatYT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    In the one by ML Designs, the train absolutely hauls over the grand camelback, so even if the rest of the ride is pretty forceless, getting airtime at over 600ft would be insane.

  • @IainHendry
    @IainHendry 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Fantastic technical analysis as always, Ryan!
    One minor correction: By default, a LSM stator will not act as a brake if not energized. In fact it will not do anything. A magnet passing by a coil will generate a current in the coil, sure - but if the leads (wires) are left open then nothing will happen. The leads of the LSM need to be either shorted, or more typically, shunted through what's known as a brake resistor, to dissipate the current generated and only then will they act as a brake.
    You can think of this in your Tesla as what can happen when coasting - the motors are still spinning when they are not energized, but you are not decelerating or feeling any braking forces unless that current is being shunted somewhere (i.e. regeneration back to the battery pack).
    On rides, typically from a safety standpoint the LSM stators are set up in a fail-safe configuration to default to shunting through a braking resistor.
    I only mention this because you specifically kept saying that LSM's when de-energized are automatically brakes, but that is not entirely true unless set up with braking resistors and contactors/controls to behave that way.

    • @ElToroRyan
      @ElToroRyan  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Thanks for the clarification!

    • @jackwoodhead
      @jackwoodhead 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      We actually use this trick in the racing quadcopter ("drone") community to diagnose failed motors. If a suspect motor seems to decelerate quickly after you spin it with your fingers, there is likely a short. If a motor with its leads shorted together does not decelerate faster, there is an open or another failure. If the motor is attached to an ESC, the ESC may also be causing the short if it has failed, so the motor must be de-soldered and tested on its own.

    • @IainHendry
      @IainHendry 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jackwoodhead Awesome, yeah! The same effect is used with LEGO 9V gear motors; the controller can either brake or float the output. Brake shorts the leads and the motor will have a braking effect. Float opens the circuit and the motor will spin without resistance.

  • @MLDesigns
    @MLDesigns 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    The block timing analysis/speculation at the end of the video, with the triple-cut example showing, is genuinely incredible. Well done. I had a lot of those same situations when building the ride and letting it run; where in basically any operational hiccup, it causes a crazy traffic jam of stacking.
    I think the aggressive setup you described checks out in terms of getting the best throughput, but seems to be a bit of a timing gamble between the abort point of launch 3, and the next train on the FBR.
    Either way, great vid & analysis as always!

  • @Sonic-gy7kq
    @Sonic-gy7kq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Valleying is exactly the issue I thought of. Big wind gust or something and launch doesn't compensate then all of a sudden theyll need to bust a crane out.

    • @kotor610
      @kotor610 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That'll be fun waiting in 120° heat

    • @fuzzytabby4304
      @fuzzytabby4304 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      With something like this, I can imagine that it will probably only operate for a short periods of time between trying to sort out issues like this.

  • @istrumguitars
    @istrumguitars 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Amazing breakdown of a legitimate breakthrough in roller coaster physics. Truly next level stuff, wow. This is why Intamin is the best.

  • @warnerwildernessphotography
    @warnerwildernessphotography 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Having ridden Formula Rossa, that ride is very intense and definitely gives airtime on those drawn out hills. I have no doubts this ride will give airtime.

    • @sonicrose8430
      @sonicrose8430 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The most hilarious coaster video I’ve ever seen was Kimi Raikkonen going on that ride with Vettel and staying completely calm and unfazed the entire ride like it was just another Tuesday (which for those guys it kinda is lol)

    • @rhysfielding8171
      @rhysfielding8171 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@sonicrose8430 the ride was literally designed around what they do every weekend

  • @violalto
    @violalto 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    "From my understanding, Intamin follows ASTM's G-force limitations"
    I305 in 2010:

    • @remcoverblackt8086
      @remcoverblackt8086 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Actually, in most countries, manufacturers are obliged to follow standards like the ASTM, since these are adopted in local legislation. The precise standard is dependent on the country: ASTM F2291 in the US, EN13814 in Europe or GB8408 in China for example. Although I'm not sure which standard is used in Saudi-Arabia, most standards are very similar. Therefore, the assumption that Intamin follows ASTM's G-force limitations, is very reasonable.

  • @psychopompinc.646
    @psychopompinc.646 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    I'm still hypothesizing that sand is going to play a bigger part in being an x-factor than is anticipated. The obvious is with the reliability of all of the LSMs and electronics, but there are couple of others. One is with the windshields. They will need to be replaced/repolished regularly as the windy climate and high speeds will end up sandblasting them and decreasing visibility leading to guest complaints (I also think that they will still ultimately have to implement goggles for riders). The other is a friction thing. A thin coating of sand on the tracks will reduce the available friction making the wheels less efficient in pushing the train forward and requiring more energy to maintain speed and momentum to carry the trains around the track thus increasing the potential of valleying and decreasing the overall top speed achieved. Magic Eightball says there might be a lot of Space Mountain-esque cascading in this ride's future depending on how the block zones are established.

    • @fadbob_
      @fadbob_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Good observation

    • @manifestgtr
      @manifestgtr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Is sand an issue for the other roller coasters in this region, specifically the really quick ones?

    • @fadbob_
      @fadbob_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@manifestgtr the closest the middle east has to this is formula rossa. No major issue has sprung up with the massive coaster related to sand as of yet

    • @psychopompinc.646
      @psychopompinc.646 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@manifestgtr I don't know specifically, but given the size and scope of this one, things aren't aren't as affecting on smaller coasters will hit this one differently. Part of my statement comes from a story a friend who used to work as a mechanic for Lufthansa had about them being commissioned to do maintenance on two planes from Egypt Air. He was surprised the planes were actually still able to fly because of the sand they collected. And for me, working in a shop in a city surrounded by desert lands, the floors have to be swept regularly because they become like sheets of ice with the sand/dust every day. Windshield observation comes from my own stint building airplane canopies/windows in an aerospace facility. And depending on what the actual material is, if they get washed with the wrong cleanser they'll craze and fog up permanently. No amount of re-polishing will take care of it.

    • @manifestgtr
      @manifestgtr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@psychopompinc.646
      That was a *huge* issue for airbus’ a350 program. It might’ve been Emirates who passed on an order worth BILLIONS because there was an issue with the airplanes’ engines and the climate. Hot and dusty with these particular engines was gonna require some extra amount of maintenance that the airline just wasn’t willing to spend. It was a huge bump in the road for an otherwise super capable airliner.

  • @medea27
    @medea27 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I really love these more engineering-focused videos because we get to hear your insight into the design as both a roller-coaster nerd _and_ an engineer. 👍
    As a fellow engin-nerd I'll be interested to understand the design decisions, construction & maintenance challenges given the extreme environmental conditions they will have to deal with... you have crazy temperature variations, extremely dry subsoil, those good old sandblasting duststorms, etc.
    I presume they are going to have to come up with some new tech for cooling & lubricating systems, and given Intamin will have few of the usual budgetary & other constraints it's going to be really interesting to see what solutions they come up with

  • @itsryno532
    @itsryno532 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +234

    WAKE UP BABE ELTORORYAN UPLOADED!!!

    • @itsryno532
      @itsryno532 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      And merry Christmas Eltororyan and everyone else

    • @CatsAreKindaCool
      @CatsAreKindaCool 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@itsryno532merry Christmas Eve to you too :)

    • @MehPete
      @MehPete 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ah sweet my wife and I aren't the only ones turned on by block zones

    • @adamsmith8810
      @adamsmith8810 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's wrong babe? You've barely touched your ElToroRyan Coaster Theory Upload.

  • @VampireFlutist
    @VampireFlutist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I’m so used to hearing your block zone explanation as a copypasta or meme that hearing it in the video was such a jumpscare lol

  • @GreenHouse2157
    @GreenHouse2157 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    This will be the only coaster where the POVs look just as fast as the ride feels in real life.

    • @steveo7771286
      @steveo7771286 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I always feel like POVs look slower and don’t do the rides justice

    • @GreenHouse2157
      @GreenHouse2157 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@steveo7771286 Exactly. This ride's absolutely ludicrous size and speed may break that tradition.

    • @steveo7771286
      @steveo7771286 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@GreenHouse2157 If only I had the budget (and balls) to go to Saudi Arabia. Lol.

    • @Justin.Franks
      @Justin.Franks 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@steveo7771286I almost always watch POV's at 1.5x speed. I think it "feels" a lot closer to the actual ride.

    • @steveo7771286
      @steveo7771286 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Justin.Franks I shall have to try that.

  • @mistertornado2303
    @mistertornado2303 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    The coaster has 1 fatal flaw…. Its in Saudi Arabia

    • @tofucourier
      @tofucourier 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Yeah and if you are a woman or LGBTQ+, you'll probably not even allowed to ride.

    • @kalyelle8503
      @kalyelle8503 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      @@tofucourierlmao us lgbtq folks wont be allowed off the plane 🙃

    • @Macdaddyman
      @Macdaddyman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As opposed to the totally safe USA...

    • @MrPatrickbuit
      @MrPatrickbuit 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      @@Macdaddyman Nobody is claiming that the US is perfect, but being queer is certainly far more dangerous in the Emirates than it is in the west.

    • @Macdaddyman
      @Macdaddyman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MrPatrickbuit yes but for everyone else, the US is more dangerous. The stats for the US are cooked

  • @DoswarePictures
    @DoswarePictures 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I got inside sources that they’re actually building clones of this coaster, and here’s where they’re going:
    Antarctica
    North Korea
    Venus
    Genovia
    Area 51

    • @sarah.weaver
      @sarah.weaver 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      🤣 all places no one wants to go

    • @kalyelle8503
      @kalyelle8503 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@sarah.weaver speak for yourself i’d love to visit genovia

    • @jonathank2029
      @jonathank2029 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All top tourist destinations and great places to take the family!!! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
      🤣🤣

  • @OklahomaCoasterFan
    @OklahomaCoasterFan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I love your nerdy content. It's right up my alley, as a coaster enthusiast math nerd. I think a lot of the criticisms of this project comes from a place of knowing how difficult it will be to ride this. It's a tough thought that we could spend tons of money, navigate a very different culture, only to find the coaster closed during our visit for maintenance issues. We don't want it to be very good, in order to make it alright that we won't be riding it. Even though I've had those thoughts, I do think it will be an incredible ride.

  • @MattRoszak
    @MattRoszak 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Every megaproject in Saudi Arabia looks like a Kickstarter scam for billionaires.

    • @yamiyugi2894
      @yamiyugi2894 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ebf creator spotted 👀

  • @jricedrums
    @jricedrums 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Absolutely stellar video! I love the breakdown, the physics equations, the block zones, the theoretical capacity! I had a blast watching!

  • @huntzzio
    @huntzzio 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you so much for this video, I love how you analyze things and also love when you say “we shouldn’t assume how the coaster will ride until people can ride it.” Love your channel

  • @itsbCool
    @itsbCool 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    My main concern with this ride is with the maintenance people that have to check this ride for safety every day. Walking ~6 miles roundtrip and scaling a cliff surface every morning, to check to make sure that the track and supports are in good shape? The maintenance team for this ride would be excessive and split into several areas. Coasters of a "regular" size already have a lengthy daily maintenance routine, and with this project, that time easily doubles due to the length and scale of this ride. Plus the additional drive up the cliff to check the track and supports up there (although, that section of track does experience less stress, so maybe that's not as much of a concern). Not to mention, the mechanics need climbing gear in their toolbox to check the support integrity on the cliff face and make sure the water-cooling system for the LSMs (which is new tech that is crucial to proper operations, so definitely should be looked at regularly) is up to shape.
    It's not like they can avoid this maintenance either, with the conditions and forces this ride is enduring. If they weren't checking the integrity of a 150+ MPH, 600+ ft tall, 13,000+ ft long ride on a daily basis, and then invited the public? Yikes. I'm going to hope that, if this ride does reach the operations stage, FF is only open on special occasions due to the intense maintenance routine, but that would mean that SFQ just burned hundreds of millions of dollars for very little return. Good payday for Intamin at least, lol. Maybe their tourism board is willing to spend huge amounts of money to pay a team that big daily... or worse, maybe they're not, but they still run the ride anyway.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for innovation and love seeing Intamin take on challenges and knock them out of the park, but I hope this project fails in the long run. It's more excessive than innovative, and still has many unknowns regarding SF Qiddiya's operations that have not been addressed (i mean, they haven't even built the rest of the park yet!). I'm not holding my breath on this project.

    • @ken97531
      @ken97531 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Drones like they are now going to do at carowinds because everyone freaked out when that support broke on fury would be my gess. They over build these things im sure fury could of operated with that broken support for awhile if social media and the news didnt over react. just a speculation.

    • @Coolsomeone234
      @Coolsomeone234 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      > "I hope this project fails"
      um wtf

    • @itsbCool
      @itsbCool 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@Coolsomeone234 ok fine, maybe that's a bit strong, but there's no way this project turns out to be a success in any practical sense for SFQ's longevity, especially for the price tag of this project.

    • @itsbCool
      @itsbCool 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@ken97531 Drones are a possibility, but it'll still take a long time to check track integrity since you have to inspect 13,000+ ft of track. Plus, drones are limited to a maximum height of 400 feet according to various international laws, so unless SFQ gets a special exemption, maintenance crews will still have to climb up the cliff face and the 600 ft hill for inspections.
      Say they do get the drone height limit exemption, though. The park would have to get multiple drone operators to have any sore of reasonable timeframe, since you'll have to account for the drone's battery life, both in flying and transmitting high quality footage to the operator to check for cracks or defects. I don't know too much about how Carrowinds pulls off their drone inspections, but if they can pull it off, then it only becomes an issue of magnitude for FF, and a very serious order of magnitude at that.
      EDIT: Saudi Arabia has very heavy regulation on drone use, and they limit drone height to 150 meters, which is higher than the standard limit, but still not high enough.

    • @A.F.Whitepigeon
      @A.F.Whitepigeon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It's in Saudi Arabia, dude. The maintenance people will do those checks every day because they won't have a choice.

  • @joehoffrage
    @joehoffrage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ryan, why don’t you apply and become part of Intamin’s North America group? I’m sure you could wind up being a valuable asset in one or more of their divisions; I’m a major fan of what they’ve accomplished and wish I could be employed there

  • @masontheis4489
    @masontheis4489 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is a top 3 ElToroRyan video of all time😭 I loved it so much. Intamin is crazy for taking this project

  • @sonicrose8430
    @sonicrose8430 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Good god maintaining this thing when it’s built and opened is gonna be one hell of a task

  • @Zroolmpf_Celmbror
    @Zroolmpf_Celmbror 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Yeah yeah, but it's in Saudi Arabia, and that place is a bit crud, and it isn't on the list of places I'd ever want to go

  • @RAIZ0R1211
    @RAIZ0R1211 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i wonder how the high speed rollback would feel with the glass curved in such a way to "cup" the wind when the train goes backwards, that seems like it would slow down quite a lot

  • @TrthWrld
    @TrthWrld 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I'll be fascinated by the ElToroRyan problematic coasters video on Falcons flight once it opens 😂😂

  • @peterfconley
    @peterfconley 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    I will be shocked if this thing ever opens. I’m shocked they’ve broken ground!

    • @someguitardude8462
      @someguitardude8462 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      If I had a penny for every arab megalomaniac project that ends up abandoned because not only is it in the middle of the freaking desert and nobody but the superich wants to go the, but the project itself is a gigantic mess that was born because some moronic arab prince just kept saying "bigger" in the conference room to the point of an engineering feat being obscenely impractical I'd be as rich as an arab prince myself.

    • @samplautz5586
      @samplautz5586 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, a majority of the coaster has been built at this point. It’s far enough along that I think it’s going to happen

    • @peterfconley
      @peterfconley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@samplautz5586 like that one time when you replied to a seven-month-old comment?

    • @Noura-n8s
      @Noura-n8s 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm Saudi and it will be open in q3 of next year 2025 with aquarabia water park . Then Dragon ball theme park will open after that. U r welcome 🇸🇦

  • @zachsteiner
    @zachsteiner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Merry Christmas. What an insane ride.

    • @24Jets
      @24Jets 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah, this is like Gadgets Go Coaster. It’s a kiddie ride.

  • @jzckvsn
    @jzckvsn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Merry Christmas Ryan! Hope you have a great holiday with the family!

  • @stephenhewitt5721
    @stephenhewitt5721 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sometimes I click videos before seeing the creator and then when I hear “for those who don’t know, a block zone…” I’m like AH, YES. ElToro!

  • @sarah.weaver
    @sarah.weaver 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I'm just frustrated WHERE this is being built. Basically somewhere most people would be completely unwilling to visit(especially us ladies.)

    • @softreyna
      @softreyna 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Yeah, knowing that the biggest most exciting coaster in the world is going to be in a place where I could actually get executed for being gay makes it hard for me to justify getting more emotionally invested in the hobby

    • @TheJETWAY
      @TheJETWAY 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@softreynawomp womp fairy boy

    • @someguitardude8462
      @someguitardude8462 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Fr. Nobody wants to go there. If it's any consolation, I doubt the ride or the park will ever open. These types of megalomaniac projects in the middle of the desert fail after the slightest serious consideration. Like Dubai's abandoned islands or Jeddah Tower.

    • @NoThing-ks7oh
      @NoThing-ks7oh 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why? The country is literally safer than the US.

    • @NoThing-ks7oh
      @NoThing-ks7oh 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are more than welcome to come as a lady and nothing will happen to you.

  • @sammorris6104
    @sammorris6104 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but when calculating the track radius for vertical Gs - shouldn't this be with +1G as the baseline as that's what riders would experience with no force applied by the coaster? Solving that equation for 1G would be for 1 additional G (so 2G for positive, 0G for negative)

    • @fadbob_
      @fadbob_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is correct when the riders are at the crest of the hill with 0 banking where relative to the rider gravity would be acting 90° down, directly opposite to the centripetal force. However, anywhere else on the hill, gravity's force decreases as gravity's direction veers away from the vertical relative to the rider.

  • @jaiden5476
    @jaiden5476 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel like something is bound to go wrong we have never seen a ride of this scale before.

  • @JeremyHamelink
    @JeremyHamelink 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Once again, Ryan, you delivered to us world-class content that has me even more excited than before to ride this masterpiece when it opens. Well done! I look forward to your content uploads more than any other show on any medium. Thank you!!

  • @jonathanlanglois2742
    @jonathanlanglois2742 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Six flags should really start by taking care of the parks that they already have. In Montreal, La Ronde has really had a serious downgrade in the quality of the attractions that it offers this last decade. It seriously needs investment. Its a real shame that they took a park with so much history and just allowed it to rot.

    • @galacticgardevoir9496
      @galacticgardevoir9496 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great Adventure and New England are both shells of their former selves. Service, ride maintenance, and quality are all garbage and prices have shot up. I know Cedar Fair just bought out Six flags, but I really hope they turn those parks around. I'd rather save up to go to a big destination park than go to either of those parks in their current state.

  • @mattflickinger8151
    @mattflickinger8151 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the scale of this and everything Ryan was saying, proves there will not be another coaster war towards any of these statistics. It seems the engineering has pushed the practical limits in the scale we see at normal parks. I will probably never ride this, but really hope it’s real and functions as planned. Great shit Ryan, thanks!

  • @alexanderkvenvolden4067
    @alexanderkvenvolden4067 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video, and it's great to see a realistic look into a coaster that until a month ago I (and probably most of us) had assumed was just going to disappear like they all do. It really makes it feel real when you start getting into the block zones and such.
    Also, the word you're looking for is not exponentially, it's quadratically. Exponentially would be like if elements had to get 2x as large for every +10 miles per hour, which is very fortunately not the case because you could get to continent-sized coasters before you even get as big as Falcon's Flight.

  • @Quickfire412
    @Quickfire412 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    came here for the block zone analysis lol was not disappointed. i'm excited to see your analysis when we have reviews from real life riders when this opens.

  • @JewishSingers
    @JewishSingers 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    another incredible video by the legend himself! Great Job Ryan!

  • @SeanAthiestson
    @SeanAthiestson 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ryan, great video as always. Did you mean perplexing around the 3rd launch introduction around 8:40? I'm a recovering architect, current construction estimator, and lifetime coaster idiot. It's interesting to talk about the funding behind amusement rides; especially as we haven't seen any mixed use amusement developments for the 21st century. Day dreams of productive agriculture amusement rides of the future.

    • @ElToroRyan
      @ElToroRyan  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lol yes I meant perplexing 😅 and thank you!

  • @Verlisify
    @Verlisify 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like the way Saudi is going all out on a lot of developments they are gonna push some of the lines to make it as extreme as possible

  • @bocahdongo7769
    @bocahdongo7769 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    21:40 I personally will called those double final brake block setup as "Giga brake run" since B&M is the first one to utilize it on their coaster (ironically because your's other video too)
    I always put those thing on my NL2 project because I can push more tighter dispatch time without worrying about being set-up. But I do wonder how much cost to implement those extra block assuming there's enough space for it, and why no more coaster utilize that today

    • @danlastname9002
      @danlastname9002 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Both B&M and Intamin have used this style of block setup well before the first B&M giga.

    • @bocahdongo7769
      @bocahdongo7769 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danlastname9002 Which one? The one that can go full speed on first brake run block
      No, not Millennium Force. Those first brake is only trim brake

  • @muffels6410
    @muffels6410 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think it would be cool to see a operations video for Falcons flight like you did with big thunder mountain railroad

  • @johanlenox
    @johanlenox 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i’ve been assuming there’s gonna be a block brake right before the launch up the cliff, where there’s a long section of straight track, instead of right after it during the wave turn, wouldn’t that make more sense and be easier to manage?

  • @Zinojn
    @Zinojn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I hope with this coaster Intamin finally figured out how to make a smooth riding coasters (at least comparable to their competition). It's wild to me even coasters built by them in the last few years have a rattle/vibration issue.

  • @6393dude
    @6393dude 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +362

    The biggest risk is traveling there in the first place.

    • @zyuukii
      @zyuukii 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      😭😭

    • @mapleflakes47
      @mapleflakes47 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      I've thought about this a lot and have decided that the credit is worth the hate crime

    • @fadbob_
      @fadbob_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      whomp whomp creds a cred

    • @warnerwildernessphotography
      @warnerwildernessphotography 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Saudi Arabia is safer than most American cities.

    • @6393dude
      @6393dude 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@fadbob_ Riding rides just for "credits" is dumb

  • @justlynch7381
    @justlynch7381 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Really nice video and interesting thoughts and insights! One small thing about your elaboration on G forces, speed and radius: If I see it correctly, this is exactly not exponential growth, but quadratical growth (which for sufficiently large inputs is proven to always be less than exponential). It would be exponential if v itself was in the exponent, but not if there is an exponent to v. Thought I'd just mention it after everyone was bombarded with "exponential growth" during Covid a million times 😄

    • @ElToroRyan
      @ElToroRyan  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You’re right! Thanks for pointing that out

    • @justlynch7381
      @justlynch7381 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ElToroRyan Cheers mate, keep it up! And have a great Christmas (provided it falls into your cultural background)

    • @ElToroRyan
      @ElToroRyan  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@justlynch7381 thanks! You have a great Christmas as well!

  • @theo.dorant
    @theo.dorant หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your video's Ryan. Very informative! Thanks for all the work you put in!

  • @aktchungrabanio6467
    @aktchungrabanio6467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What an insane layout! I'm a junior coaster enthusiast but my god do I wanna ride this beast already. Great analysis!

  • @TheArrowDynamicsGuy
    @TheArrowDynamicsGuy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I wonder how intense the rides going to be

    • @24Jets
      @24Jets 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Honestly doesn’t look that intense, this is like a kiddie coaster

    • @zachsteiner
      @zachsteiner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ⁠@@24Jetswhy are you commenting everywhere about it being a kiddie coaster? You must be one of those entitled, weird coaster enthusiasts Ryan talks about. I don’t see how this wouldn’t be intense. It’s massive and fast.

    • @24Jets
      @24Jets 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zachsteiner Okay, you might want to get yourself checked if you can’t figure out that I’m joking. It’s incredibly obvious lol. I do think the coaster will be have a decent amount of intensity, and I’m excited to see it when it opens. I’m not going to argue with you anymore though.

    • @zachsteiner
      @zachsteiner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@24Jets Pretty hard to tell someone is joking through written words 🤷‍♂️ and some people really get like that with coasters

    • @TheArrowDynamicsGuy
      @TheArrowDynamicsGuy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think it will be mediocre, it’s no i305 but it looks fun and enjoyable.

  • @typicaluser4116
    @typicaluser4116 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Bro really made the next problematic rollercoasters before the ride opened.

  • @b_rice2856
    @b_rice2856 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Have a Merry Christmas Ryan

  • @MrJohnJLewis
    @MrJohnJLewis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It sucks because I will probably never get to ride this, but I hope it's successful so that it could reignite the coaster wars in the US and lead to my annual Cedar Point trip getting even better!

    • @NiarahHawthorne
      @NiarahHawthorne 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah nah - the coaster wars ain't coming back over speed or height. And good riddance, tbh.

  • @ernesturbanski7751
    @ernesturbanski7751 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Totalne szaleństwo. Dziękuje za film

  • @hiveminded741
    @hiveminded741 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The editing on the swing launch theory was phenomenal! Creative and perfectly executed!

  • @egreene100
    @egreene100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love every video of yours but this is one of the best! Thanks!

  • @L0rdLogan
    @L0rdLogan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Okay, who is building the RCT3 dream coaster IRL?

  • @PraisingWithFriends
    @PraisingWithFriends 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think there has to be a line drawn somewhere. There comes a point where some of these coasters are basically skydiving. They don’t all have to be record-breakers.

  • @coastarider
    @coastarider 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was 2 trains away from a rollback on velocicoaster. I was in the station when it happened, and though the windows I was how they do it. It was very cool, I wish I got that experience.

  • @marcussorenson3380
    @marcussorenson3380 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video eltororyan and merry Christmas dude

  • @JAXXNCREATED
    @JAXXNCREATED 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's crazy to think this coasters layout is almost complete, I can't wait for the testing phase, I know they are gonna use Falcons Flight a lot to draw attention to the park and Qiddiya city overall.

  • @bobbyswanson3498
    @bobbyswanson3498 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    it will be wild if this actually opens to the public and is functional

    • @RobCartwright
      @RobCartwright 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The thing’s almost halfway built. That’ll be a heck of a waste of money if it never opens.

    • @kalyelle8503
      @kalyelle8503 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@RobCartwright*Glances as Ryugyong Hotel* yeah… who would ever waste that kind of money… 🙃

  • @randihotlin
    @randihotlin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There's nothing like opening a gift on the 25th by tapping a button leading to another great ETR analysis vid! Thank you so much!

  • @whylifeis4
    @whylifeis4 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Merry Christmas, Ryan!

  • @Jademalo
    @Jademalo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Even with the additional block zone you're theorising, that's still a *really* small capacity especially considering the crowds they're probably expecting for F1 races etc. With the heat I also can't imagine queues would be particularly pleasant, and I sure as heck wouldn't want to be stuck at the top of the cliff in the baking sun.
    Ultimately though it doesn't matter, and I'm so sad this coaster is being built in Saudi. If it was (almost) anywhere else in the world I'd be booking a trip specifically to ride it without hesitation, but I cannot and will not go to Saudi. Honestly I'm incredibly disappointed in both Six Flags and Intamin working with them, but I guess nobody cares when you add a 0 onto the cheque.

    • @ninjxmi
      @ninjxmi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      unfortunate it's in saudi arabia, but at least im glad there's a new major intamin

    • @SixOThree
      @SixOThree 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Nobody wants to go to Saudi Arabia. They won't have any problems with lines.

    • @Coolsomeone234
      @Coolsomeone234 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@SixOThree I suggest you google the population of Saudi Arabia

    • @RonnieRLD
      @RonnieRLD 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I also imagine many guests not willing to ride it. Similar to I305 in that way where many will be too intimidated to have a high demand to ride

    • @SixOThree
      @SixOThree 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Coolsomeone234 I suggest you quit acting like an ass.

  • @nowistime8070
    @nowistime8070 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    are you going to travel there when it opens?
    Isn't SA famous for starting mega projects that fail at some point?

  • @Soonjai
    @Soonjai 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I honestly don´t think that hourly capacity will be much of an issue even if it ends up being closer to 630 Riders / Hour. I somewhat doubt that this Park will draw in the amount of people and crowds they are hoping for and I expect that a good amount of people that do end up visiting the Park will be scared away from ever riding Falcon´s Flight when they see the size of it´s Camel Back and the Speed it´s going to blast through the the ending section.

  • @snesnshred3535
    @snesnshred3535 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What's preventing sand from getting into the bearings and affecting the ride? At best, it'll feel rough, at worst, it'll valley, and I don't see a great way of getting riders down from some of those spots. Even at that, that'd be a demanding walk back to the main park.

  • @j.johnson7891
    @j.johnson7891 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Imagine having to hang out on top of that cliff while the train below "hopefully" completes a successful swing launch that launches it over a 500 ft camelback

  • @shorebreakcards
    @shorebreakcards 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm seriously gonna fly out there and ride this thing... same year as opening, just need to see it test and im there

  • @Maccbruce
    @Maccbruce 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You do good research.
    After this is operational they will have to schedule special ERT with an included self-rescue.
    Coaster nerds will demand it.

  • @Leviathan1_Gaming
    @Leviathan1_Gaming 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so you talked about the mega camel back roll back posibility how about the launch hill to get up ther to? could it not roll back? and also they could use a break at the bottom before the launch up as a block?

  • @FunkAndFluff
    @FunkAndFluff 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ryan, you're part of the reason why I love nerds so much.

  • @SnowghostFilms
    @SnowghostFilms 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Woke up on Christmas morning. Came up in my subscription page. Thanks!

  • @AlexRuckusFTW
    @AlexRuckusFTW 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Best Christmas eve ever!🎉

  • @m_ianO
    @m_ianO 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the airtime is going to be like the type in zero G flights since the duration of the space and the shape/ height from those large elements.

  • @snesnshred3535
    @snesnshred3535 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    12:20 what we all came for 🖤

  • @0z3r0
    @0z3r0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The capacity "problem" isn't there since they probably don't allow women to ride it.

    • @fadbob_
      @fadbob_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      whatever social media is telling you about saudi is wild, that's all ima say....

    • @imrightyourewrong7441
      @imrightyourewrong7441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lmao.

    • @imrightyourewrong7441
      @imrightyourewrong7441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@fadbob_ we are ignorant in America and we love to complain.

    • @fadbob_
      @fadbob_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@imrightyourewrong7441 w kanye pfp

    • @AC1097-eb2ss
      @AC1097-eb2ss 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LMAO the Saudi royals are muslim in pretty much name only. The moment the Quran tells them to do something that cuts into their personal interests, whether it's not hiring foreigners to perform sex acts that would disgust even the most hardcore porn addicts, or throwing away half the potential customers for their big expensive projects as your little theory suggests, it goes in the trash.

  • @reddcube
    @reddcube 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Why do I keep getting excited for a roller coaster that I will never be able to ride?

  • @Southeastern_Thrills
    @Southeastern_Thrills 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Falcons Flight's 640 ft airtime hill is basically Saudi Arabia's Gateway Arch

  • @ryandefranco7740
    @ryandefranco7740 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This roller coaster is too ambitious. They’re definitely gonna close it down shortly after opening to change the layout or add trim breaks.

  • @Gerald446
    @Gerald446 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    12:19 best part of the video by far

  • @zachgilchrist669
    @zachgilchrist669 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Is this going to be a complete disaster? I don't think this coaster will be operational very long.

  • @MyAteSpiders
    @MyAteSpiders 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My mind says "Hell yeah!!!", but my inner ear says "WTF??"

  • @aegisofhonor
    @aegisofhonor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    this coaster is only for hard core super enthusiasts with deep pockets.

  • @ScoobyDoober
    @ScoobyDoober 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Me: haven’t been on a coaster in 10 years.
    Me: oo neat new coaster vid 😊.

    • @jpgiles1725
      @jpgiles1725 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      10 years? Why so long? You should go back on them

  • @eirinym
    @eirinym 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's a shame it would be rarely possible to visit that park comfortably. Go in the winter or it's too hot.

  • @Sonic-gy7kq
    @Sonic-gy7kq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'd also like to point out a minuscule fraction of the coaster enthusiast community are world class engineers who do this for a living

    • @ninjxmi
      @ninjxmi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      and it's funny when the non world class engineers act like they know everything

  • @markymark-r
    @markymark-r 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    0:01 not quite all records. The Smiler

    • @Toydota
      @Toydota 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only ones that matter are speed height and length

    • @samplautz5586
      @samplautz5586 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He forgot the “most inconvenient location” record

    • @Oliverwalthall
      @Oliverwalthall 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Toydota if u believe that u don't know anything apart coasters

    • @Toydota
      @Toydota 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Oliverwalthall those are the main ones. It would be impossible to break every record with one coaster

    • @ClebyHerris
      @ClebyHerris 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll Heartline roll

  • @zelowatch30
    @zelowatch30 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yikes I think the way its designed with almost no curves to resist some of that kinetic energy would make it insane.

  • @j.t.flautt7087
    @j.t.flautt7087 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    El Toro Ryan I admire your dedication and knowledge. Bravo, Brother ! #RideOn🎉

  • @emilysmith6897
    @emilysmith6897 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is something that saves the quadratic growth of curve radius w/ respect to velocity. And that is that the velocity grows as the square root of drop height. This means the curve radius scales linearly with drop height. Similarly for launch segments, if you have a constant acceleration launch segment the velocity grows as the square root of the length of the launch segment. This may be optimistic though, as a constant acceleration launch segments would have increasing power throughout the launch as the coaster goes faster and faster. To prevent having a ridiculous peak power requirement, it might be good to allow the acceleration to drop as the coaster goes faster. For constant acceleration launch tracks, the radius of the curves would grow proportional to the launch track length. And for constant power launch tracks or launch tracks that reduce acceleration to limit power, the curve radius would actually grow SLOWER than the launch track length (i.e. the launch track length would actually grow faster than the radius of the curves as the coaster is scaled to higher speeds). For constant power launches, the launch track length would scale as an insane v^3 if my math is correct, whereas the curve radius would scale as v^2 like you said. Since the coaster design directly controls the track, not the velocity (the velocity is only indirectly determined by the track layout), from a track design perspective that means your launch track lengths scale as (curve radius)^(3/2) as your make everything bigger, assuming limited launch power.

  • @Brandon-qd2lb
    @Brandon-qd2lb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sucks there’s so much speed wasted at the end. Could’ve had the space for an extra element or two. Let’s hope the loading is good.

    • @bocahdongo7769
      @bocahdongo7769 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      This thing already shred speed like nothing tomorrow anyway