Problematic Roller Coasters - Prefabricated Wooden Roller Coasters by Intamin Amusement Rides
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- Intamin Prefabricated Wooden Roller Coasters were a dominate force during the 2000's. This technological break through resulted in some of the best roller coasters on the planet! However, this ride model seemed to suddenly stop selling? Why is that? Let's take a look!!
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"The coasters are made of wood, which makes them wooden rollercoasters."
Things I never thought needed to be said! A rose by any other name...
It’s a little more complicated, unfortunately. Gemini at Cedar Point uses a wooden structure but a standard steel tube frame. Many call this a steel coaster but some call it wood. The Villain at the former Geauga Lake had a structure made of steel but a traditional wooden track. Most everyone called this a wooden coaster. I think what the author of this video should’ve specified is that it’s a wooden coaster if the track is made of wood (with steel plating added to it, of course).
@@76horsepower I always thought of Gemini to be a hybrid, steel track in wooden supports, just like RMC coasters
@@AlexandreSantos-yv2tj same
I love all the Problematic Roller Coasters episodes you're putting out, these are some of the best coaster video essays ever made - please keep it up!
I 100% agree. I drove for a living, and these videos are fantastic documentaries that keep me fascinated and awake during the long hours.
Same! Discovered the channel yesterday and flying through the videos. 😄
Same
If a wooden roller coaster isn’t physically harming me, then it’s a bad ride
If I don’t fell like someone’s hit me in the knees with a sledgehammer then what’s the point?
(You’d love the roller coaster at Melbourne’s Luna park then, I had bruises for weeks.)
Yeah bro i hate wooden roller coasters if they dont give me brain tumors lol
Yeah bro I hate when rides don’t kill innocent people leaving their families to grieve and other people to break their necks, break bones, and get left with permanent life-inhibiting injuries
These days you can die just from standing in line! It's a rush.
I now have GP aids after reading this
1:09 “In Fact, the entire train itself lifts off of the track during extreme moments of airtime.”
GP: **rollercoasters aren’t safe intensifies**
Put a red circle and a shocked face on that picture and you have a perfect thumbnail.
Im not a GP but that kinda scares me ngl.
Lmao they can't wait like 2 more seconds just to hear the part he mentioned upstop wheels..
Imagine them now
@@Naiobia and that's why upstop wheels exist
In Koaster Kids’ video of six flags great adventure, you can hear Ryan’s voice in the station of El toro because he was operating it at that time.
Knowing El Toro is at a Six Flags park, I am actually quite surprised that they actually take care of El Toro and it hasn’t yet falling into disrepair like Colossus. Hope Six Flags stays on top of taking care of El Toro in the future.
I think they will! That ride is one of the park’s tickets to success
I've always noticed that while Six Flags hates building anything new that costs money, they're always really willing to maintain their rides extremely well. (Sans add-ons like onboard audio and special effects. I'm looking at you X2.) So actually that comes as no surprise to me.
They can always RMC it. 😂
@@ElToroRyan last time I rode it 6 years ago Toro was a hot mess, both trains had bad road wheels everywhere.
They will. It's the only ride people actually make sure they get on next to Nitro. Also before Jersey Devil, it was the last original non-cloned, non-transplanted, non-fake roller coaster built there in 14 years. If your "newest" toy goes down, it's like losing an anchor store in a mall.
You’re one of the only people in this community on TH-cam who knows what he’s talking about.
His knowledge of physics and engineering is what makes this so insightful :) I love it, and he is definitely making Intamin proud right now, since most of the problematic coasters he's covered right now are from Intamin, plus some Premier Rides coasters, but mainly Intamin :)
yep really need to meet this guy some summer
The Mikey G Show yup. Better than the vloggers that say “I liked that ride. It was fun.” as their entire review.
The Mikey G Show there are quite a few others, but they’re rare.
There's also Airtime Thrills. Theme Park Crazy. Gp To Enthusiast. And Coaster Studios. And a couple more
Just have to say that while I do enjoy the Coaster Idiots videos, I really enjoy your informational videos even more. Not only do you have ride operator experience, but I really enjoy hearing you employ your engineering knowledge too. I always learn a lot with each of these videos that you produce. I hope you end up doing a lot more of these once the quarantine lifts!
This right here is some top-notch rollercoaster content, yea boi
So basically, they’re the BMW of the coaster world. Over-engineered, high up front cost and still requires constant maintenance as a result of that over-engineering of the track material.
This is a perfect analogy
Dude this made way to much sense... good one 👍
But apparently the experience, in the moment, is above average. May or may not be, but probably isn't, worth it. (Continuing the analogy)
@@nthgth Yeah and that's kind of the problem for the park: Intamin Coasters are extremely popular and many rides are far above average.
@@DonEstebanXXL Yeah I get that. Shame, that - they could've been fantastic. (also like BMWs).
California screaming would be interesting topic because of its block system and layout
Block Brakes: The Ride
@@UpstopEjector naw, that title belongs to Rip Ride Rock it. Lol
That's really common for Disney coasters. Disney is all about rider volume. They can literally launch a train every 30 seconds because of that block system. Which makes sense given the crazy number of guests that visit their parks everyday. It's why nearby Six Flags Magic Mountain can get away with 2 train ops (and 1 train on Scream and Revolution >:|) but if you did that with what's now known as Incredicoaster, the line would be 6+ hours long.
California Screamin really has one of the most bizarre layouts ever. It was clearly designed more to be a visual centerpiece than an actual good coaster. And at least half of the ride is just straight block brake sections lol
@@HumanStateOfEmergency na rip rocket actaully is pretty forceful and decent
Also for next problematic coasters: Lightning Rod.
RMC outsourced for the LSM launch with an inexperienced company, right? Bad move
BUEAU I think they were called Velocity Magnetics, could be wrong tho. They have built brake fins and other stuff before. But have never done a LSM Launch..... should’ve tested in the factory and not Lighting Rod.....
I thought gerstlaur did the launch on that one 🤔 well, add any rate, whoever did it didn’t do a fantastic job
0MindSwept0 strange, gerstlauer normally do fantastic LSMs. Take flug Von Novgorod for example
Henry’s Hoover - i’m not really sure who did it, I thought I heard someone say it was Gerstlaur, but I never really had any confirmation 🤷🏿♀️ like you, I also thought their stuff was usually fine, so it seemed out of character to say the least
I was on the el Toro queue line when one of those "fun" el toro guessing experiences happened. They kicked off a larger guy only to realize an inattentive teenager behind him had been the issue holding up the ride.
Justin Solly ya hate to see it
This. It's inconsiderate and dawdling guests more than anything else. For coasters demanding extremely fast loading times to prevent serious problems, large people can easily be mostly checked at the beginning of a line with a test seat, as kids and the occasional adults teetering on the edge of being too small should probably be. But even then people with cell phones, too much in their pockets, clumsy hands with the seatbelts, and/or just a careless or in rare cases reckless attitude towards putting on the restraints are probably a plenty big set of issues that's harder to control.
@@010203109 There is a Test Seat for El Toro, it makes for a great photo op too. The person making sure you have nothing in your pockets (Stupid loose article policies...) should tell larger individuals to use the test seat
@@coastaku1954 people just don't seem to use the darn test seat. The only ride i've seen multiple people get kicked off of was Iron Gwazi, which yes there is a perfectly good test seat before the queue. At least ride attendants knew which seat wasn't verified, but so did the whole queue since the verify indicator faced the queue. So yeah, we all knew it was because they didn't fit
It's nice as a ride op to hear someone talk about rides that they have op'd personally.
9:35
"Dozens of traditional woodies..."
* add Beavis and Butthead laugh here *
How do these videos get more educational and interesting!? This series may be the best on TH-cam, seriously, well done.
"Each car can only be unlocked three times. If you unlock a car a fourth time, you will break the ride, due to a computer error."
ElToroRyan: Like, just why??????
Intamin just loves to make us operators suffer even further. You thought Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster were unreliable? NAH EL TORO TAKES THE CAKE
No it doesn't. El toro is almost always up. Smfh
@@alecvip7562 think he was being sarcastic but if he wasnt it was a ignorant comment
el toro i never seen down when i was there bc once for only a hour unlike KA which i only ridden twice since 2007 since every god damn time i been there its down all day intamin rides always have issues
My six flags intamin hyper train used to be rock solid till six flags decided to mess with it. Then it became a hot mess.
@@NickyD WTF was that mess supposed to say? I'm sorry and apologize if English isn't your first language. If it is, and you're older than 4 years, learn how English works. Start with something called a period.
I like how your comparison coaster (Voyage) even has steel supports, and is still 1/3 the price.
Really puts things in perspective.
Balder in Sweden was closed for a year for renovation (2021). According to Aftonbladet the wood on the track rotted due to a severe construction error. It is now open again since October 2022.
I'm a Ride Operator at Heide Park and i'm really thankful to be in the Colossos Team :) its a really interesting Coaster to work at :) and there's nothing better to hear the Coaster rush over the Airtime Hills
What I find neat about the Intamin pre-fabs is how you can hear the up-stop wheels still spinning when the train gets back to the station.
PTC's and GCI's do the same thing
It just amuses me to no end that it's known as the "Intamin Fart" when the car lifts off the track, because I'm five apparently.
I think the reason Great Adventure makes the track is to avoid shipping costs. El Toro and Kingda Ka arrived in shipping containers from Europe.
This is clearly not an authentic ETR video. I learned a lot today, but I walked away with one burning question; just what is a block zone?
Wow dude..... You need to stop making videos that are so amazing. Seriously, this whole video was packed with so much information that I never would have known about prefabs. I enjoyed every single minute of this video!
"Roller coasters typically have 24 person trains, and designers typically don't go higher"... Meanwhile The Beast is just chillin' with 36 person trains.
The Beast rejects your silly rules.
As an aspiring engineer, these videos really help me learn more about what it takes to make a perfectly engineered ride. Well done Ryan!
Never been on El Toro when I lived in the US, but I live about an hour or so from T Express now and thank goodness for that. Easily the best coaster I’ve ever been on, and the setting is gorgeous...especially in the Korean summer when the greenery is so bright. There’s not many coasters in SK in general so I’m really thankful for it. I hope it stays standing for a long time.
“The wood was impregnated”
Ah I see.
Nobody:
SFGAD on opening day: Problematic Coasters
more like six flags america
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, no wonder I felt similarities and got reminders of El Toro when I rode T Express when I went to South Korea. Wow
Ryan I absolutely love your videos. I have watched every single one of your videos during quarantine and you have honestly inspired me to book trips to different places and finally figure out my coaster count. You’re videos that get extremely technical are the most in-depth roller coaster videos you can find on the internet and I thank you for that. I hope you see this because you deserve to know that the effort that you put into these 30 minute videos does not go unnoticed at all so thank you. Also congratulations on your channel growing so much, you deserve it!
I have contacted intamin multiple times and they have greatly upgraded the pre-fab, they can now incorporate inversions and LSM launches. I also believe another reason they cost so much is that there structures are huge and require more wood in order to incorporate the high amounts of forces, this is also why the structure doesnt shake as much as a traditional woodie. congrats for 15k
Millennium Force Man Cool
Did they also upgrade the hydraulic launch coaster?
@@jaydenle1000 I’m pretty sure the discontinued it and switched completely over to LSM’s now, especially because LSM technology has advanced a lot recently and they can now reach the same speed and acceleration as a hydraulic launch
“Intamin prefabs are like electric cars.” For a second there I thought we were gonna get a mini review of your Tesla. I’m a little disappointed now.
CoasterWriter
we do want that tho 🤣
Once his battery gives out, hes going to realize that there is a pretty big running coast.
@@ianowens2873 Sounds like you have a lot of experience with electric cars, like you know the life expectancy of such a battery, how the comparative costs to an engine swap for a vehicle might be.
It's not like we've got all the statistics and research that show that a 300k warranty is still economical to provide, which is far more than many warranties for ICE vehicles.
Or were you trying to relate uninformed knowledge on the subject in the way a flat earther might throw uninformed viewpoints around,
I don’t even know how you find out this much information. You’re content is by far the most informative coaster content on TH-cam and I can’t get enough!!
Intamin: The king of problematic coasters
I dunno, I hear everyone's favourite RMC in Ohio always opened after lunch, because they were having structural issues. Makes Intamin look like B&M.
Intiman "problematic" coasters
Typical enthusiast who has no idea how a coaster is designed and operates...
Marathonrunner 97 honestly man... It's hard to read some of these comments 🤦🏻♂️😂
Australia...
I’m really loving this series
"the economy has put a stop to that"
COVID-19 : " am i a joke to you?"
scary about this is that six flags will not add anything major now for years
@@NickyD I don’t think anybody will be adding anything new that wasn’t already in the works pre-covid.
Dude your videos are doing good recently. Keep up the goid work you are getting the most views in the enthusiasts community.
11:30
to be fair, Colossos technology was also completly replaced. so it also has a new ride computer system, brakes and such.
Colossus was the first roller coaster I ever went on as a child. And it was the single most terrifying thing I had ever done. But, it completely removed any fear of roller coasters I had and now I love them!
An amazing ride!
Your channel is hands down my favorite for well researched content and articulate delivery! Your enthusiasm for the industry is clear and I always learn something new and interesting! Thank you for all the hard work you put into these projects! You make me excited to ride coasters again and I hope I get to experience the El Toro before I croak!
I hope you ride El Toro. In my experience, it is the best wooden roller coaster
"The ride should last 50 years and that's a really long time." *Me stroking the coasters I grew up riding that have lasted from 50-100 years* I'm sorry, what?
This series slaps, keep it going.
S L A P S
This further cements my opinion that El Toro is the best wooden roller coaster in the U S if not the world! I find it amusing that some coaster purists don’t consider El Toro a real wooden coaster when it is 100% wood and consider the Voyage a wooden coaster when it’s framework is 100% steel. Anyway I’m happy that Great Adventure has the only pre fab Intemin wooden coaster in the US because I get to ride it a lot and feel lucky to do so because it is a fantastic experience every single time!! RMC’s are good but gimme El Toro!!
voyager is a 100 percent wood coaster and rmc did help built el toro
Nicky D how do you figure?the frame is metal.
Nicky D just because they helped build it doesn’t mean it’s an RMC.
If there are arrows form the 70s still! I’m pretty damn sure B&Ms can last at least 40 years if more!
It really depends on the quality of the steel. I think B&M coasters could last longer. They are also easy to relocate.
*El Toro* "We've got some nice wood"
*RMC* "I'm boutta end this whole mans career"
*Six Flags* 👀
I LOVE nice wood!
I'm addicted to these videos, they are so interesting and I'm coming in with 0 knowledge of coasters before hand. Thanks for making them and I look forward to the next one 👍
It's 34 minutes later and I learned so much about all of this. Amazing video!!
Had no idea that Intamin Prefabs actually had that much maintenance needed. Hopefully the other parks with prefabs don’t get in the Colossos situation.
I’ve heard the lift hill chain for El Toro has gotten slower over the years, is that true and if it is, is that have to do with the chain or motor? Also do you see the park ever making it so the lift hill is as fast as it used to be in its early years?
I rode it yesterday and it still feels terrifyingly quick. That sucker has like two gears. You get on and it's normal, then it goes into turbo mode and then slows back down to normal at the top. But I like the lifts that don't fuck around.
Interestingly enough, my experience running cornball was that it was also extremly moody with pacing, even with steel wheels. Frequently we werent allowed to send test cycles in the morning until maintenance was there to ride it. Generally this was fixed with greasing the track but one day we had to close for an hour to grease it, because it kept getting stuck on the final brake, not passing the sensor it needed to activate to release these brakes (yeah it was strange for a one train coaster). Lost coaster also had issues but not because of the wheels.
Ryan, I just now found your channel, and I need to take my hat off to you, young man! I operated a very small woody in the now defunct park "Miracle Strip" in Panama City Beach, FL,y home state, back in the 80's when our coasters had NONE of the current safety features or sensors like our current generation of coasters.
This is the 3ed tech analysis video of yours I've watched. The first two were for Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster. Your breakdown and information, along with your work experience truly give a great perspective on how the rides have evolved over the years.
Our small coaster has rattly lapbars and buttons for "Go, Stop and Brakes." Although, despite its size still great ejector airtime, especially over the smaller hill right after the lift hill.
So, as a former operator, your videos are wonderful and you're to be commended. You are a good teacher for those who may know nothing about coasters. I look forward to all your videos and I'm your newest sub as of today including the notification bell.
Your new Florida Fan,
Aszneth 😁
PS: I have some bragging rights. BG Tampa is my favorite of my three home parks and I've not been able to ride an RMC refit, but guess what I get once the park reopens? You guessed it: #IronGwazi! I am SO excited I can hardly stand it! I think the ride will make BG Tampa one of the best parks in the world. Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to express my appreciation for your efforts. Stay safe out there and one day, I hope to meet and ride with you. 😁👍🙌
The boardwalk bullet at Kemah actually gave me whiplash. It was fun as hell but definitely a rough ride.
El Toro was given to Six Flags by Intamin. A gift of good faith after years of maintenance failures.
I Wish Son Of Beast had been a prefab... we'd still have a wooden hyper to enjoy... with a vertical loop
I loved that ride.
This is a great series. I grew up near Six Flags Over Texas and have to say, the old Texas Giant was amazing. A friend and I went to the park one morning when it was raining really hard. As soon as we got to the park it cleared up and the park was almost empty. We rode the Giant again and again that morning. Best roller coaster day ever. This was almost 30 years ago and I remember it vividly!
Worked X2 for a few years. The fun we had with some guests and the restraints on that ride. One of the most technical rides I’ve ever operated. Very problematic when it wanted to be.
That’s awesome! If you’d be interested, I’d love to make a problematic coasters episode about X2. Unfortunately I don’t know much about the ride myself. If you’d like to help me out, that would be sick! You can email me at ElToroRyansEmail@gmail.com if you’re interested!
I see your X2 and raise you a Batwing and Typhoon SeaCoaster
So, fair to say the Colossus re-tracking is like when the batteries for the expensive electric car no longer hold a charge and need to be replaced?
Yes! Great analogy!
I may not get to ride Orion today but at least I can watch this.
i’m honestly obsessed with your videos - i don’t know how i got onto rollercoaster youtube bc i’m genuinely terrified of rollercoasters and hate riding them but all of the theory and technical aspects and stuff is so genuinely fascinating i just can’t stop watching!!! Thank you for making these videos!!!
It’s hilarious to me that no one figured out what RMC is doing like... 40 years ago.
They basically just went “well.... what if we made the boards out of steel?”
Da first time I knew you were an engineer mang :) No wonder your videos are so technical :)
Colossos was disappointingly low on air time when I rode it on reopening last year compared to Baldur (which felt like a mini el toro) and ya boi el toro.
Video so long, I had to take a bathroom break. Awesome video! Very informative!
Awesome! The insights on the track are great. Crazy to see how many layers are in the prefabs, and even then they still have to be replaced regularly!
Soooo eltoro is the worlds biggest LEGO set?
No that's steel dragon 2000
Balder is my no:1 coaster
I love wood coasters. I love that feeling of being tossed around but you're completely secure
Learnt more about Coasters in this 30 minutes than I’ve learnt in a decade of loving them 👀
Nobody:
steel vengeance on opening day: *starts sweating*
problematic roller coasters: GIVE ME THOSE TOES
I just realized at the end that background song is a remix of a Tokyo train station melody.
I work in construction and I found this video to be extremely interesting. I had never thought about the construction of wooden coasters and it's interesting to apply what I work around to roller coasters.
Voyager at Holiday World was my first coaster ever and honestly I haven’t found one that I like at much. It set a high standard!
The smile on my face when i got the alert of a new video....thank you, man. Much needed in these shitty times. These videos truly do *slap*.
This ride just got waaaaay more problematic
Dude all of your videos have insane quality, I don't know how you pump so many out in one month. Very happy I found your channel- you've earned a new sub! Keep up the great work, loving this stuff.
Excellent video! Truly one of the best and most informative TH-cam videos I have ever seen
*MEAN STREAK*
Hey EV7D
@@CaptainCroissant hey Drewpro78
You should do a problematic rollercoaster video on X2 that one had a rocky start.
Btw Im going to possibly cancel my trip to florida and hit up the north east six flags parks in the ny and ne regions.
Yes he needs to do a problematic of X2
2:22 of course that is when my mom walks in... great video though
The are traditional wooden coasters that use 36-person trains, but those coasters typically don't pull the crazy maneuvers that shorter-trained coasters can. Case in point: The Beast.
In a somewhat related note, I'd love to see an episode of this series on Son of Beast.
Basically every coaster at great adventure is problematic?
declan .c Lmao yeah except the B&Ms
No not really. This coaster isn't even problematic. It's open most of the time.
@@alecvip7562 Almost every time I go it's broken down for at least part of the day.
Literally all of the coasters at gadv are open most of the time except for kingda ka
Alec Bailey Kingda Ka and El Toro are almost always having issues when I go...
Intamin Prefabricated Woodies Ryan
Colossus at Heide Park is the best woody on earth. I say that from having last been on it 15 years ago. I'm spending a lot of quarantine hours watching coaster docs on youtube and have learned that wooden coasters never get the 100% tuneup that's needed to keep it as running smoothly for decades. Thanks, Ryan. This is a very informative piece.
I have to say I absolutely love the in depth videos your doing now, it’s so interesting to learn so much technical knowledge about the engineering and logistics of roller coasters, your extremely smart and talented at explaining things!
Great adventure is my home park and el toro is closed for at least 10 min bc of a mechanical issue or something every time I go there
Random Porpoise 10 min? And your complaining?😂
@@MichaelRei99 lmao it's my home park and I only seen it down a few times
Sub Zero YT my home park too.
Mike r I’m not complaining I’m just saying it’s definitely not what intamin had in mind by “low maintenance cost”
It’s my home park too I never notice it being closed
Love that good wood
I Love great wood...the higher the better!
I’ve never looked at coasters as art before seeing these videos. I am now beyond excited to go to Cedar Point.
Great video, and since I'm at home and not at SFGA 30 minutes away, I'll take the front car views for now. I enjoyed the whole vid.
nah, mean streak is better.
pieceofglitter nope.
pieceofglitter L
*cue Mean Streak brake sound*
Mike R he’s obvious joking
@@MichaelRei99 r/woooosh
When you were talking about moderating it sounds alot like a discord server.
Great to see you’re still putting out great content. It’s very appreciated
These analysis videos are so good. Hope you hit a million subs bro! Well deserved!
i have a "traditional woody" every morning
So about 2 weeks ago…
What a terrific and informative video! Great job!!
Your amount of research is impressive. I've never thought about how expensive roller coasters are to build and maintain. I mean, i knew there was cost, I've just never thought about it in depth.
The passion, detail , experience and willingness to realize you might not be 100 % correct about everything is the most human thing in the world, and that 's what makes your coaster knowledge resonate w me. Intamin wooden Prefab vs Gravity Group's wooden The Voyage (w metal ledgers) vs RMCs wooden Topper Tack vs RMC's metal I-Box but I joke at myself: This is a long video to love.
Maybe I'll send this video to my 84 year old dad. He loves wood work! (In the 70's he actually built the cabin my kid brother lives in to this day where there's no running water or electricity. It's ok: there's an outhouse there built in '74 and my bro drives down to town to get supplies and take a shower.)
My dad also used to love roller coasters. (Spoiler: Not any more: damn fool insisted on riding the back car of Coaster at Playland in Vancouver; Canada's oldest coaster from '58 w a single position lap bar at the age of almost 82yo in August 2017.)
I'll try to get back to you on the many details of this video, El Toro Ryan, when/if I get a chance. Much Love: my biggest coaster related hope is that I can get to Great Adventure this August. I will watch this many times over I'm sure. This video SLAPS!
I love your videos. I witnessed the TTD accident from the queue line on 8/15/2021. One of the two bolt heads from the flag plate ricocheted off the railing only a few feet away from me. Immediately after, the victim was struck by the flag plate. It was quite traumatic as I'm sure you can imagine. Thanks for all the knowledge I've gained from your videos.
I love this problematic series, thanks for putting these together Ryan! The top thrill episode got me instantly subbed to ya.
I just asked myself, when you will post your next video.
Thanks for helping us get through the lengthened offseason :)