THE CASE OF GRAEME THORNE - australia's first case of kidnapping for ransom
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Imagine having someone you've never met nor wronged in any way being so jealous of your life and family that they're willing to murder your child and steal your money. It's really creepy that people like this are roaming free.
DISGUSTING 🤢 I know and here ya 👋🏽 I have kids of my own and ugh I just don’t wanna even try imagine myself in the Thorne’s shoes 👠🤦🏽♀️😔
and people say celebrities live a life of luxury, i mean sure they do but they probably get threats like this constantly
I realise this is a way old comment, but... I'm a cousin of Graeme Thorne's. A family member of mine linked me this video. Agreed, the fact that there are people like this who are roaming free. Freda died in 2012, a few months before her 1st cousin, my grandmother. The family are still reasonably "well off" as a result of the lottery win, but they never really recovered from Graeme's death. We don't believe it was murder per se - we think he intended to return him after payment of the ransom. It's the family's belief that Graeme probably realised rather fast that he wasn't actually going to school, there was a struggle, and in the process Graeme died. My mother drummed stranger danger into me, needless to say... as did my grandparents.
@@nikcodemus what happened to bradleys wife and kids ? did they go on to england without him ?
the wife was in on it 100% - why else would she agree to pack everything up including the kids and leave life behind in australia
for the time, I'm actually impressed by how good a job the police did on this case
american police are usually the ones who do a horrible job unfortunately
Talk about using all their resources and manpower. It's so terrible how it ended with the boy. I can't even imagine.
cuz american cops are corrupt as hell 🤣
I'm with you on this too.
@@sydneylevine1827 they only get paid if they harass people so yes they get paid to fine you or to arrest you like 😭
I love it when they start analyzing plants and shit lmao Super cool police work in this one
If you're interested in that kind of research there's a documentary about the Mayan collapse (BBC Ancient Apocalypse: The Maya Collapse) and the theory that they were wiped out by drought. I watched it in uni and they delve into some interesting methods that provide some interesting evidence! Not related to true crime but I love hearing about "off the wall" methods being used to find answers to things!
@@Smurfy1211 Just finishing a course on the Aztecs and Inka, and my prof also suggested that I delve into the Maya so I’ll definitely check that doc out! Thank you :)
If you haven't seen the show Bones you'll love it- they use bones, flora and fauna, and soil e.t.c to solve causes of death!
Yes, it's amazing how precise they got everything in this case!
it really was amazing police work, some of the american police force needs to take notes
The peeled apple wrapped in plastic broke my heart. That shows the love of a mother perfectly. A little thing done with care just the way he liked. So sad. My heart breaks for his parents. This is a parent’s worst nightmare.
i’m literally sobbing reading this
bella moving house , completely hectic time in her life and STILL producing a 40+ minute in depth youtube video, go u girl we love u !!!! xxx
@@keda777 it’s probably their channel and they’re trying to promote in bigger channels🤷🏻♀️
@@missquinones23 ohhh true true
Yes, takes me a week to make one vid, when I have plenty of time! Kudos to her!
@ do you make true crime videos?? If so I'll sub!
If my child was abducted, I would need to be sedated too.
Me too. I can’t even fathom the pain of parents whose children are abducted
Same. People have no idea. I would do ANYTHING to protect her
I agree, I wouldn’t be able to handle it but also leave me the fuck alone so I can go and search the entire country for my child 😅
Same 😥
Definitely me too
I don’t know why but I thought he’d be found alive and then I was shocked when his body was found !
Me too. Bastards didnt have to kill him poor baby😢
@@AngieLea so evil and senseless
Same, until she said he'd been seen buying a 30 gal drum. I think he killed him when he realized police were involved. Also, I'm not convinced of Magda's innocence.
Same !
@@maddiekain7728
Exactly.. who were the other people in the car ?
what an insane man, i cannot believe the way he just thought that he was entitled to do what he did just because of the hard life he had LIKE WTF
Yeah I'm with you on this, also he's a loser as well not to forget.
Yeah what a loser, crying about someone's accent, success, marriage... he's just a sore loser. Plenty Hungarians found success after being through hell, like George Soros. This guy is just a crybaby and a loser.
I get being jealous of a lottery winner. But actually robbing someone and kidnapping a person especially a child is beyond the pale. And then going so far as to killing that child is horrific. I don't understand how you could kill a child 😭
Not this vid but this case made my at the time 9.5 YO brother leave our religion because “God wouldn’t create child murders” and I’ve been considering joining him for 3 years now
@@euclideanspace2573 George Soros isn't a great example to use mate as that bloke actually worked with the Germans at the time by giving up fellow Jewish people to ensure his safety.
Good on the mom that took Graem to school. She followed up with everyone
It's impressive how thorough the police were investigating this case and gathering evidence, especially for when it was and the limited resources they had. Some police departments could take notes from these cops 👌👌
Keep in mind this family had money. Even the shittiest police departments can pull their heads out of their ass for a family with money. I doubt the whole country would have been searching if it was a family less fortunate
I agree!
Their investigation was great! Remember that was 1960 - wow
@@littleNica98 although it had never happened before, that could also have a part to play in their brilliant work
@@littleNica98 not really. Some just really don’t care. That’s why all those private detectives and services exist.
there are actually several states in the US where they still will publish who wins a lottery! It's pretty awful when you think about it, because those people are targeted by scammers and victims of other crimes a LOT
Even crazier: I live in a state where /they/ don't publish the winners..... But if anyone asks for the name of the winter they are required to disclose it.
I think that in itself is criminal, especially these days.
It's almost a curse to win money like in the lottery.
Many sad turns of events for the winners, not limited to strangers. Most often the people who help bring the fortune to misfortune are those closest to the winners.
Abraham Shakespeare is a classic example...
My state has zero lottery.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m always upset when someone’s life is taken. But this case makes me exceptionally angry
me too. my blood is boiling and i'm not even done with the video
Steven's just lucky he's deceased. If he wasn't, I would've traveled to Australia to meet him...if you know what I mean....
Same I sign up vehemently with you
me too. i think it’s because he said his motive was jealousy regarding their “easy” life and spite bc his sucked. like how he said he was mad about the family not having to face issues regarding immigration as if it’s their fault he immigrated to australia
No you wouldn't.
this guy is crazy. He quit his job, bought a car, and sold his house to kidnap Graeme???
If he was murdered within 24 hours of being kidnapped, what was the point in asking for ransom? You receive the money then you hand them off a body? What? Angers me.
i feel like he would have just taken the money and never tell them where their son was
@@lindsey6255 100%
I just want to know why he killed the boy. Like they were willing to give them every cent they had just to get their son back yet he didn’t end up taking the money. It makes me so mad too.
@@jhasmines1208 Sadly Graeme was old enough to describe him and he probably didn't wear a mask or something :(
@@Luu904 it still doesn’t make full sense because didn’t Bella say the kidnapper never told them where to leave the money?? Or did I just miss that part? Like how was he expecting to get the money with no drop location?
I remember my nan telling me about this one! Its why the winners of the lottery here are now anonymous. Crazy!
ok
Idk if it was ever the same in the US with the whole putting their STRAIGHT UP FUCKING ADDRESS IN THE ACTUAL NEWSPAPER??? (Like why did nobody think that might be a bad idea BEFORE a child was murdered?) but I do know that people in the US have worn literal masks to hide their identity from the media. Like halloween masks. Its hilarious.
@@korseygorle955 here in some states you have the option to remain anonymous but in others you have no choice and your name would be publicized
@@bushdenae It is ridiculous that states make people go public. The state I live in is one.
That lady that was supposed to pick Graeme up was really thorough checking with everybody for Graeme!
Why did they have to kill him I thought he would have been returned 😭
He was old enough to describe his kidnapper
@@stoppit9 should’ve taken the money, ran & left the kid alive
I don't think he expected the police to get involved as quickly and efficiently as they did. His plans fell apart, so he killed the poor kid. Because he was a monster.
@@maddiekain7728 he was also an idiot as well as being a monster then. You don’t Rob rich people especially people who came into money in such a public way and not expect it to be a high profile police case
@@AirQuotes is there a such thing as a smart kidnapper???
this was so sad, i’d never heard of this case before so i was really hoping they were going to find him alive 😔 those poor parents. really great informative video, bella!! would love to hear more old australian cases.
when you like the video before even watching it cause you know it’ll be a good one
Its Bella of course its going to be a good one
heheh appreciate you 🥰
I think the police and detective work in this case was absolutely outstanding! Especially when they didn't have any surveillance footage or DNA technologies at the time - just good old fashioned detective work. Absolutely tragic that it ended with little Graham losing his life 😢💔
I mean they did use hairs from the killer to end up ensuring they had the right person.....
I expected him to be found alive.. or rather hoped. That's absolutely heartbreaking!
aw man, i was so sad to hear he was killed, i was so hoping he would survive :(
As soon as you mentioned "Mr Bognar" i knew that a hungarian person will be involved (Bognar is a common last name in Hungary)
This poor baby 😔 I’m glad the police, as well as the entire community were so involved to help try to solve this case
Tell me why the police from a long time ago is 100% more affective then most police in our time 😤
Probably a bit more ethical to start with and a lot more devoted to their jobs to catch the bad guy. …….not like now they rely on CCT, phone pings,etc instead of adding good old fashioned police work to that…..
Such a sad , senseless murder. I’m quite impressed with the detective work in this case, especially for the year this took place. I can’t imagine my son being kidnapped, not knowing if he’s ok. I feel deeply for the family.
Great work Bella , I had not heard this case before. I love seeing your precious fur babies.
This kidnapping was meticulously planned out and extreme. Quit his job; bought a car he couldn’t afford, sold his house … it’s all a bit much. This guy really believed it was all going to work perfectly as planned. Like he really believed in his plan.
its the cat in the background cleaning itself profusely for me 🤣🤣🤣
omg tell me about it, i didn’t realise until i was editing the video hahahahahahah
Okay, what the heck is a 'strong' European accent anyway? French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, Russian, Scottish, Danish... Their accents couldn't be any more different to each other 😂😂
no kidding lol, my fiancé is polish and when I try to compare his and someone else that is Russian or German. It’s pretty hard to determine unless you hear them speak their own language.
Right? My thought exactly.
Hungarian accent is very difficult to recognize to non-Hungarian speakers I think. I just watched a show on netflix with Hungarian characters but they had Russian accents for some reason 😂😂 Plus we are a relatively irrelevant country
and at 28:19 she says a "European complexion" 😂
For foreigners it’s hard to distinguish Europeans accent/features/complexion apart from other Europeans. Same goes for asians. I can distinguish my language from other Asian languages/features/complexion. she isn’t European how would she know the difference between Hungary, Italy, etc -.-
It always amazes me when criminals use so much time and energy to get over on others. If they spent half as much energy on working on themselves, they might be legitimately successful.
Love how much detail was packed into this one. The maps, pictures of people, buildings, cars... Immersive and so compelling!
it’s my birthday today so this couldn’t have come at a better time...thank you bella 🥺💕
Edit: thank you all for the birthday wishes, i appreciate it sm!! by far the coolest thing that could happen to me on my 18th birthday :)
happy birthday angel, i hope you have a beautiful day!! 💛
Congratulations 🎉 hope you have a wonderful day 💐❤️
happy birthday!
Happy birthday beautiful 💕🥳
@@bellafiori thank you so much !! this made my whole day 💕
i know you probably won't see my comment but can you please cover the 'The Ghost Flight' story? about the plane that disappeared in 1955 and landed 37 years later.
What! I need to hear this story too
I really hope Bella sees this
Edit - I looked it up and it's unsurprisingly just an urban legend but it would still be interesting to hear the myth of it :)
😳 what???
There is no story there, it's false...
Who else agrees that Bella is STUNNING?!!!
I do and she's so cool too.
I wonder how tall she is, I'm surprised that she hasn't been scouted by a model agency or hasn't done any modeling before. Seriously one of the most gorgeous faces I've seen. Maybe she has and isn't interested.
I read it bella is involved 😭😭😭
I wonder if Graeme did die in the boot of the car by asphyxiation, and then Stephen freaked out and started violently hitting Graeme to try to wake him up. It doesn’t make sense that Stephen would have intentionally killed Graeme so early on because that obviously ruins his plan to get money from Graeme’s parents.
That’s what I’m thinking
@@vivianapacheco6938 me too
It hurts my heart hearing about this case, everyone did everything they could have and it wasn't enough. This community is amazing
Poor Graeme. Such a horribly brutal & sad tragedy!
me, being an american, thinking that college means university
i eventually figured it out
But what does it mean then? Sorry I’m not a native speaker I thought college and university are the same!
@@rorror9684 a college could be a technical school, a higher institution school but one that might not be up to the level of a university or a secondary school. Some universities start out as colleges. I hope this helped😊
@@rorror9684 my high school was called a secondary college (australian here) it can be either a high school (ages 13-18, differs by state) or rarely a uni
@@rorror9684 college and university are the same in america
Here in Canada some high schools are called “collegiate” in English but in French they do use the word “college” for high schools.
Bella: caller had a heavy Eastern European accent
me: could be anyone
Bella: Stephen Bradley was born as Istvan Baranyai in Budapest, Hungary
me: O_O
Fellow hungarian bella fan ?? Omg !!!
Fellow Hungarian Bella fan here!
bojler eladó
was looking for these comments, pacsi
@@lillakovacs1662 ✋🏻
And that is why "the love of money is the root of all evil".
Can we just take a second to appreciate the police in this video they actually care unlike a lot of cops from the cases
You should do a case on Kyron Richard Horman who has been missing from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon, since June 4, 2010. He was last seen that morning after attending a science fair at the school. I just recently moved here and have been meeting people and a lot of people are skeptical about the whole situation!
The stepmom is highly suspicious.
10000 % the step mom !!!
Step mom did it 1000000000000%
Yes this needs more attention. I’ve been following Kyron’s disappearance since it happened. He’s the same age as my son. My heart goes out to Kyron’s mama. 😢
Wow, just looked it up that would make a great crime to cover
me: finally goes to sleep since it’s 4 a. m.
bella: *uploads a video*
me: SlEeP cAn WaIt
I am so so impressed with the detective skills regarding the plants and the builders sand etc. that poor family and poor Graham. I think he should have gotten the death penalty as I do believe it was still a punishment in Australia then! Never heard of this case before even as an Australian! Thank you!
i was cooking earlier and thinking to myself how nice it would to cook n clean while listening to a new Bella vid! and here we are! im cooking again and cleaning but now im also listening to a new Bella vid!!!! sweet!
Aw I was hoping for a happy outcome :( I feel bad for not only Graeme's family but also Steven Bradleys wife because he sold the house sooo was she just homeless with 3 kids or? Such a tradegy :(
Suggested cases: The 'Swedish Tourist' case, The 'Marlborough Sounds' case, both in New Zealand.
In the middle of an arduous moving process, yet greeting her audience with a sunny smile that makes her followers smile back. And with no less than a story about a first in Australian history. This Norwegian's mood instantly shot through the roof. Thanks, Bella! 😁👍🌹
So at 16:48 Bella mentions the owners of a gas station saw 2 men, a woman and a boy matching Graeme’s description!
Anyone else wondering who the other 2 adults were? Possibly the wife (Magda) of Stephen Bradley?
I was thinking “mmmhh it has been a minute since she uploaded 🤔” but then I remembered that she puts so much research into her videos 😊
Man this one hurt 🥺 I really thought The baby was going to make it, there was no reason to kill him he would’ve gotten his money, jealousy is something fuckin crazy man 💔 rip to that sweet baby boy 🤍
I remember when this happened. My mother was totally against any form of gambling, including the lotteries, and she often mentioned Graeme Thorne’s kidnapping as an example of the evils of gambling
This is one of the first stories where I actually hear that the cops did their jobs, it's sad that he didn't survive !
the way you research every case so deeply is amazing !!
I'm confused about the high speed chase after the petrol station stop. I thought a woman around 50, man around 40, & a 20 something man were in that car, but Steven acted alone? Was that just a coincidence?
wait your right , i forgot about that part
I was wondering the same thing!
Must have been….. people in the car were different ages that was probably someone else who was a crim ! …
Thank you for grinding even though your moving girl, this is work we don’t see but know 🙏🏻🙏🏻 ❤️
My mother always talks about this case with high emotion. It impacted so many people, it was so heartbreaking. Poor, poor little boy. It’s absolutely horrible. Thank you Bella for doing this so very well. And Ash should be a movie star!🇦🇺❤️
YES stayed up till past 1 am for this and I am ready with my hair straightener
LMFAO ME 😭😭
lol me watching at 5:28am.... im nocturnal it’s fine
@@StarringMac it was 6pm my time when i watched it but i usually watch her vids when i can’t sleep 😅
I just wanna know why you're straightening your hair at 1am lol 🤔
Same!!! Not the time but yes to listening while using my hair straightener. Her voice is so relaxing n detailed, it's like watching a movie. 👍
Is it just me that thought that they’d find him alive because of the title 💔
Me, very upset at this case: 😡🤬🌪😢😔🙅🏼♀️
Bella’s cat: 🐱💕🛀😴💆🏼♀️😌
We don’t deserve animals
I hate when people say that. So stupid, why don’t humans deserve animals? I bet you value a dogs life over a person? I bet you think that if a dog bites a child then they deserve to live.
@@AT-nq3sy who pissed in your cereal this morning?
Omg she’s baaack!! We know you’re busy Bella, we appreciate you so much ❤️
There is a song about this case.
My mum remembers when this happened, my poppy and others from their town went to go help with the search .
Thank you for being so real & true to yourself. Love how you tell stories, cook & well, just live. Hats off to you Bella and good luck in your new home 🍀
I can not be the only one that read: The Case of Game of Thrones 😂
You too???😂😂😂
definitely not!😂😂😂
Same minds think alike😂😂✋
Awwww I was really hoping he wasn’t murdered!! The dad broke my heart when he was talking. Why!!! Why did you have to murder him!!!!!
I just finished my online class, your timing is always perfect💜💜
The way the even found the guys old vacuum cleaner, wow. Now this is good police work
I have been binge watching your whole channel recently and this is in perfect timing 🤩
Thank you for posting for us although you are so busy with your move!!!! We appreciate you so much
Bella is so pleasant to listen to, she could be telling the most boring story ever and I would still listen to her!
Love you lady ❤️
I only discovered this channel recently but I am HOOKED! you present things very in depth, interestingly and respectfuly, and the cases I've seen so far were mostly ones I hadn't heard about, which is always a treat!
The research on this case is so deep, i loved how hard u worked on this one.
i get so excited for these videos I've refreshed your channel for about a week, bella ur the best
Fantastic storytelling as always, Bella! There is one thing that I can’t get off my mind, so I have to ask - what mascara are you using? I have to know!! 😁 Thank you again for your hard work!
Omg YESSS! I have been binge watching your Mystery Monday videos the last few days at work so adding this to the list for tomorrow’s shift 🤪
The energy you’re carrying in this video! You’re glowing!
Awwwe congratulations on the new place that must be so exciting🏘
I love learning about like the first time something crazy happened but sometimes it's sad like this one. RIP.
That poor little boy. He didn't have to kill him :( Bella, please also try to cover the Aarushi Talwar double homicide that happened in Noida, India in 2008. There are so many narratives out there. I would love to hear your thoughts on this case. Thank you
Yes please
Yes !
she covered it!
Thank you for covering so many lesser known cases! 💕🙏🏼😘 I really appreciate it. Rest in peace Graeme. 🌹
Yaaass 🙌🏽 I live for these videos!! They are always done so well💜
The world is so scary, I’m never letting my kids leave the house 😭😭 love your videos! I listen to them on my way to school!
Congrats on the new house!! Thats so exciting! I hope its a great new start.
We desperately need an updated earings collection love how you lift the mood to your videos with the funky earings ☺️💜
i love hearing less well-known Australian cases like this - this is the second one you've done that hits super close to home (in term to location) yet i'd never heard about prior
literally the most underrated youtuber!!! love yaa 🥰
lmao the kitty listened! I think they were embarrassed 😭
Nice job on this case Bella! You covered it much better than others.
Always love love *love* all your videos! Thanks again for blessing us with informative, quality, just all around *AWESOME* content! We love you & all your videos, Bella! I hope you & all your furry family is happy, healthy & safe! 💛
I love how she randomly starts talking to her animals 💙
Missed your videos omg 😭😭 so happy!
I love the new setup, the lighting looks so natural Bella!
So happy you're back!
Australia: gets colonised and filled with convicts
Also Australia: doesn't make laws
You: knows fuck all about Australia and looks like an idiot.
Tianthee bro chill, it’s a joke
@@tianthee also him: is kinda right tho HAHAHA
The cat looked at your vitamin packet like “hey.... is there something in there for me, no ...ok”! 🤣🤣
Yayyyy I’ve been binge watching your mystery Monday’s waiting for you to post againnnn 🥲😁❤️
Love you just talking to your animals. I love how you don't take it out of the video. I also love these mysteries. I'd rather watch these than a horror movie. It's crazy how all of these are real and people can be this way.
Ash carelessly cleaning herself in the background is simply everything 😹😹😹
Can we get this type of detective work on every case? Wow. Way to go Australia!!
Love this! I also love the sound and cadence of your voice. It's pleasant and you enunciate which I love.
Man I wanted Graham to be found alive and returned to his parents so bad
Me too 😕😕😕