THE CASE OF MR CRUEL
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The most terrifying/disgusting thing to me is that each assault was recorded, probably for child pornography, sold to other sick people. Those tapes are somewhere, in an old and forgotten place. And there are people who may have watched them.
Probably circulating with the freaks.....
and from what I’ve seen in the comments I’m sure a couple of creeps here have them
That's such a horrific thought.. I hadn't considered that. As awful as it is, I hope the police have searched through the pornography to see if they can identify him from his victims.
I know right. Imagine going through that and you realize somebody might have watched that happen. Fucking disgusting and sickening
@@aseofhearts what do you mean?
I can’t imagine the pain those parents that were tied up in a closet just hearing their daughter yelling while being sexually assaulted *for two hours* and not being able to help her at all..
So horrible 😢
Poor girl, poor parents they probably felt miserable. They couldn't help their poor baby.
I’m sure it was immediate regret for him.
The whole thing is just horrible to think about.. the brother being alone and scared hearing his sister and not knowing what’s happening, the parents helplessly unable to protect their child, and the sister who was tormented, assaulted, and r*ped for over two hours…
I hope this family is doing well today
i know right , its hard to even imagine it
I don’t usually get worked up by anything in these cases, but seeing a victim’s mother crying and pleading for her child’s safe return like that... Absolutely heartbreaking.
I’ve watched so many true crime cases and while they are upsetting I can usually bear it but that clip honestly was so haunting, her screams and pleads. Poor lady
I 100% burst into tears hearing the last victims mother pleading for her daughter back.. I lost it for sure.
And the fact that the man completely ruined their family with them getting a divorce and everything
@@hagridsuncle9584 c
Strange that he only killed one of his victims
wow i cannot believe phylis was assaulted by an ex employee like god that poor woman could not catch a break. everyone KNEW what had happened to this family and yet they still attacked her. just sick.
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My family used to go to Phillis restaurant all the time when I was younger and she always used to say to my mum how much she adored me and reminded her of her daughter, it is so unbelievably sad, she was always such a kind and loving person I can’t not believe someone could do this to her daughter
Props to Sharon for remembering so much detail she was so strong
@YourMomsPhatAss involved? sir, she was 10.
@YourMomsPhatAss weird joke..
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Since she saw that camera propped by the bed I bet a million dollars there’s a video out there possibly of her assault
@YourMomsPhatAss absolutely not funny.
it’s so upsetting when the police actually do their jobs and everything in their power to help, yet still nothing 🥺😣😣
@Madda Lena that's what i thought when she said they lost evidence
@Madda Lena wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was a cover up, seems every “unsolved” case is ://
@Madda Lena It’s so obvious
@Madda Lena a lot of police officers are usually involve in child sex rings, so I wouldn't be surprised if they was in on it.
@@PartyLikeRobots You do realize that police men and women are people and can make mistakes? Maybe you are one of the rare cases of people who have NEVER in their life has lost anything and never made a mistake at work, but normal people do. It's just that most of us can make mistakes without it really making much of a difference for others, but man if a surgeon makes the wrong cut or if someone in the police make mistakes, fucking everyone on the planet will know about it.
i actually know phyllis chan. as a child in the early 2000s she was the owner of my local chinese restaurant we would visit every week. she used to be so kind to me and used to call herself my chinese grandma and she still keeps in touch with me. its so crazy because I never knew this as a child. shes a wonderful and kind woman :)
How are her other two daughters doing? I hope it’s all good for them, they’ve been through so much
Aww Blessings to her 💛
I hope all is well and her and the family have peace 🥺❤️
i also went to her restaurant!! she was super kind and so sweet, i really miss her lovely cooking :(
@@salaad_aisha019 not the time.
Knowing someone has your daughter and still begging and sending love and blessings to please return her is so sad, I’m literally sobbing hearing those letters
the interview of karmen's parents was so heartbreaking. her mothers reaction is so real. i feel like people are desensitized to these stories nowadays, but when i saw that video i started balling. i cant imagine the pain you would feel not knowing if your child is okay
when ms phyllis started sobbing it just broke my heart
I wonder if it wasn’t an ex police officer but an active one who also could have something to do with the evidence going “missing”
This is so sad!!
Given the recent discovery of criminal activity committed by police officers here in the UK it’s entirely possible. Sad times knowing you can’t even trust those who are supposed to protect and safeguard us...
@@elettraleigh2013 I mean that was just one man. Many people are corrupt but that doesn’t mean it’s being enabled by a whole force
@@lilynealeclayton7843 police protect their own, it’s a well known fact. it’s an extremely corrupt system, not just “one man”
That’s exactly what popped into my mind
My thoughts exactly
god, watching karmein's parents in their press conference was heartbreaking i hope one day Mr.cruel will be punished for his crimes.
Her moms pleas killed me. So heartbreaking.
That really hurt. Poor parents
I hoap the is a hell
For people like this
Seriously. I watch true crime literally every day and most cases don’t get to me but that press conference made me cry. I can not imagine how intense that pain must be
listening to the kids letters to Karmen made me sob...
me too :(
Me too :( And the parents' letters trying to plead with *any* amount of humanity he may have had to get him to let her go. Then her body being discovered, the parents' marriage falling apart, and near-fatal assault of the mom. . .my heart just shatters for that family.
legit sobbing rn
Same🥺 :(
Sooo sad 😭😭
The way the children still could remember the smallest details even after being abducted and assaulted like that, Hats off to their bravery! They're so strong and they didn't deserve this treatment.
This is a brand new case, not much is known yet. But a 13 year old girl was raped and murdered this last weekend in Jacksonville Florida. Her body was found on Mother’s Day. The main boy that is responsible has no remorse at all and is behind bars right now. But other boys where involved, and some have been posting about her death mocking her. So if you could please look into it. It doesn’t even need to be a long video, just something to get it out there. Thank you so much for your time.
Are you talking about the 13 year old cheerleader that was killed by a 15 year old boy?
I saw this too, so awful. Was it Tristyn Bailey? Is that the same case?
oh my god this is heartbreaking :((
@@eddiy335 yeah is it Trystin Bailey?
Tristyn Bailey?
I feel so bad for the chan family, they seem so genuine and hardworking and they really didn’t deserve this
It’s so horrible stuff like this happens to random innocent people. No one deserves it :/
I'm Chinese-Australian, and I'm from Melbourne. I really feel for them. It's hard as it is for Asian immigrants today, let alone in the 80s. They worked so hard literally 8 to 12, jesus christ.
I feel bad too because they were used to the kids being released so they're like any day now!!!! Ughhh..
@@NatzTalk I feel like that must have been the hardest part is thinking that she’d be released like the others were… I cannot even imagine what they all went through! 😢
@@ambermullenax8186 ikr?!!! She was prbly like it's okay I am going to be let go soon..one day turned into another 😢
the earrings remind me of my ex
LOOOOL
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Literally what I was thinking looking at them 😂
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I definitely think he didn’t plan on killing Karmen & that he got scared after murdering her because he didn’t want to get caught.
i think it is possible he killed himself after that because he felt guilty
I actually think he may have planned it. The initial writing on the vehicle suggesting some type of drug revenge and then come to find Carmen got shot 3 times execution style. I think he wanted to see what murder would feel like and tried to plant the seed that it was drug related. I dunno
I mean how do you accidentally shoot someone 3 times execution style tho?
@@christieyvette.7605 i understand what you’re saying, but mr cruel is known to try and throw people off with his red herrings. the words on the car were probably just that. of course there are so many possibilities but i think the murder wasn’t planned. i think she took her blindfold off and/or took his face covering off and he felt like he had to kill her so his secret wouldn’t get out.
@@SjofnBM1989 it’s not that he did it on accident. It’s that he could have done it because she saw him and then decided to kill her like that.
The footage of karmein's mom legit made me cry. They moved from their home country, leaving everything they knew behind, so that their kids could live a safe en great live, and then this happens
It breaks my heart that Carmen’s parents tried to be kind and forgiving to him and yet he still murdered their baby
Part of me thinks Karmein's death scared him into dormancy and part of me thinks he kept doing this and was never discovered or that he ended up in jail for another offense and will either be in jail for life or he has already passed. For some reason though, I feel like his time actually committing offenses is over, I can't explain why.
i don’t think he was thrown into jail for another offense because he was very careful and i hate calling people like this but he was smart. i do agree with you that he died tho💜
i think it is possible he killed himself from guilt after killing her
@@kb-tf4ld the only reason I don't think he committed suicide is because of how well he hid her body. If he was going to kill himself anyways why be so careful? Unless he didn't want to bring shame to his name after his death 🤔
@@kb-tf4ld I was gonna say this. I think it's definitely possible.
@@nettesthebest maybe he had a family and he didn't want them to be tormented with the horrible stuff he did?
I'm just here crying for sweet Karmein. So evil what he did to all those girls.
I cant believe that people like that even exists in this world....😢😡
@@dynasticrawford2621 What is maddening and terrifying is he's still out there.
Excuse me Bella, I’m sorry, but you’re in the way of Mia’s video
I know right, she's so rude!
I know right? 🤣 How dare she interrupt her video and tell her to stop being mean to the cat?? 🤣
HAHAHAHA
bella is so rude smh 😳 she acts like she owns the place when WE ALL KNOW mia is the real bread winner of the house
All the comments are like sad and stuff but this is the only funny one 😂
As a mother, hearing Mrs. Chan's pleas & then hearing her letters to the attacker reduced me to tears. Her kindness, even if it was manufactured to appeal to mr cruel sympathy, broke my heart...
Man, Karmein’s family... that really broke my heart...... when Bella started speaking about Karmein in past tense and brought up what she aspired to be in the future, I just knew it wasn’t going to be a happy ending
what an amazing little girl to remember all those details about the bedroom, bathroom & the house she was at; even down to knowing the driveway was on the right side! i couldn’t imagine being able to stay so level headed in that kind of situation. 😣😔
Oh man that plea from Karmeins mom reduced me to absolute tears, and ripped a hole in my soul..
I have 6 kids and I can't imagine losing even 1 of them.. I'd never survive that kind of mental torture..
My heart hurts for all those families.. 🙏💔
Me too. I have a 4 year old daughter and her mum's pain must've been worse than being physically tortured to death 😪
Me too!
I have no kids, but I am bawling. The mother's pain is palpable. What a horrifying case.
Why so many kids though??
@@dynasticrawford2621 bro what
Lol the dog running for the cat is hilarious. Dog said "NO CUDDLES" 🤣😂
hahahahahahahaha poor ash 😭
Soo darn cute!
They provide comfort during these videos. I don't know why I'm addicted to true crime it makes me more depressed :(
I just want. to hug Carmen's mum... those cries were heartbreaking
My heart absolutely breaks for the Chan family. Rest In Peace, Karmein
the picture of the balaclava is just... terrifying
i cant even look at it for too long
poor people who had to see this man... :(
Just the balaclava, not the man? Lol
@@earthchild21 What? I'm talking about the picture and how it scares me... the man it's obvious terrifying too. Useless comment.
@@nyanlyh that guy is a troll, I wouldn't pay attention to him.
@@nyanlyh “useless comment.” Lmao sir yes sir
@@sephie9882 I don't care, that is not something you joke about in this case you moron.
This is literally terrifying. The fact that he was never caught and they pretty much have no ideas or clues is even more frightening. I think he is/was or forensic investigator. I also believe that killing Karmen is what made him stop. This story will for sure give me nightmares.
I never cry at true crime stories, I try not to get too attached. But I’m crying at karmein, her sisters. The other girls ptsd makes me so sad too. I’m just heartbroken over this. I hope those families are doing better, hopefully. I don’t know how anyone can ever recover from that.
The last family did not catch a break.
Same this one hurt
Same, I’m usually pretty okay with not feeling super nauseous or anything like that while listening to crime cases, but especially when it comes to s/a with children it always gets me upset. So, so horrible.
hearing the letters read out loud made me cry this case is so so sad 😭😭
theory:
“Mr cruel” is one of the investigators for the case
the fact that a lot of the evidence was just lost is really suspicious, and being one of the investigators of course you aren’t going to be suspected of being the person behind the crimes. So this is kind of like a death note situation
I agree. Especially him watching and listening to everything about him could definitely be him making sure that he knows everything that everyone is saying to plan everything more carefully
Actually you can and would be suspected exactly as you are doing now...
and the fact he clearly knew a lot about forensic evidence.
She said “Carmen can help me with my homework” i completely lost it.
Bella I was a teenager spending a lot of time around one of the areas around about when this was happening and still live nearby. I recently happened to drive over the road where Karmein's body was found and it made me think of it again. I can't believe it still hasn't been solved. To think he could still literally be walking amongst us and I have a daughter now. He needs to be punished. I wonder if he is still alive? I've never forgotten Mr. Cruel but surprisingly I haven't even heard him mentioned anymore off-line. I hope DNA advances and all the genealogy technology advances solves these cases.
im 15 and live in the area! i cant imagine being alive at the time, im glad ur safe
I’ve never forgotten about this case, while I wasn’t alive at the time I grew up only a couple streets away from Karmein’s home in Templestowe where she was abducted, used to work near where she was likely stalked in Eltham, have eaten at the same site where the restaurant that used to be own and run by the Chan family used to be, and have driven past where her body was found on countless occasions. It’s so scary to think he was never caught 😔
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They lost the DNA samples for the case. But luckily the time has passed and no more crimes committed from him.
How old is your daughter now??
This is so sad! Her restaurant was in my local set of shops and she was such a beautiful and friendly lady always going out of her way for everyone. Can’t imagine how she kept herself going.
me too! ive been to the restaurant before
Has the restaurant shut down?
one thing i love about being early is the feeling of watching it together with everyone else in the comments 🥲 kinda like a livestream
omg i never thought about that, i love that!! 🥺
@@bellafiori 💛💛💛
Yesssss ! Pass the 🍿 girl this part is getting good 👀
Very true! It makes me feel like we're one big united Bella Family.
@@bellafiori bella I'd love if you premiered your new true crime videos on TH-cam! then it'd be exactly like a Livestream with live comments! I'm waiting for your videos every week ☺️ Of course don't do that if the thought stresses you or if that format makes you uncomfortable
I really admire your way of editing in this video. Most of the true crime youtubers out there are just so overly dramatic, adding this chilling music in the background or even joking about the topic itself, to the point where it can feel disrespectful. This video was very matter-of-fact and well made, managing to not make light of a heavy subject, while also being explained in an easy to digest way. Well done!!
I grew up in Canterbury and was only a year younger than Nicola, I remember the police stopping us in the car to ask questions. I was terrified of Mr Cruel and was convinced I was his next victim.
I am still scared and have the occasional nightmare about my daughter being taken by Mr Cruel.
I’ve always thought he was a cop.
Hi, Holly. Police do not help their cause by refusing to release a new and corrected criminal profile. The 1991 FBI profile on Mr Cruel claims all 4 linked crimes took place on school holidays. This is simply not true. Nicola Lynas was kidnapped on 3 July 1990, on a Tuesday night in a normal school week for ALL students, not just her school. The Lower Plenty crime took place on a Saturday 22 August 1987 in the middle of school term 3. Yet the FBI profile said there was a high probability the offender was connected to a school but NONE of the crime dates suggests this. The other crimes took place during the Christmas break (27 Dec 1988) or on a weekend (13 April 1991).
The Australian media have never called this mistake out. It is a great pity.
I think he might have been a police officer, which could explain why any forensic evidence they had conveniently went 'missing'
good point - also his forensic skills
Same...
yep. vic pol was very corrupt during this time too.
And the blue overalls look similar to police uniform
@@kaylatrevino8166 why would someone wear their work uniform while doing an unspeakable crime?
Bella wearing men as her earrings today 😍
NOOO 💀 except timotheé chalamet 😩🙌🏼
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now you're giving me a reason to get a pair too😍😍
Part of me is offended the other part completely agrees 😂
Bruh 🤣🤣
The mother's plea tore me up, I cannot fathom her torture. I hope they get justice one day.
I know this is an older video but hopefully you’ll see my comment! A friend of mine went missing a while ago, and his name is Marshall Iwaasa. I am from Lethbridge Alberta Canada, and this case hits very close to home for me. Unfortunately search efforts to find Marshall have almost stopped leaving his family and loved ones with absolutely no answers. His car was found abandoned in another province, and the police almost appear as if to not even be looking anymore. There are signs and posters all over my city, hoping one day that Marshall will be found. If you could do this case and raise awareness maybe the case could be reopened and further investigated. With love, Kaelyn
I feel like Mr cruel could have been a police officer like in the Sherri Rasmussen case and that could also explain why so much evidence was lost
As a mother, seeing Karmein's mum break down like this broke something in me too. I can't imagine the pain and terror she felt and her husband not being able to help her.
You're not even a mother, be quiet!!
Only halfway through this episode did I realise that I know Phyllis! I have eaten from her restaurants for take away shops so many times! One of the most kind hearted ladies to ever walk this earth
Do you know how is her family doing nowadays? I really want to know what happened to her other two daughters... Poor family
I got chills all over my body when you mentioned the golden state killer. I remember he did visit Australia when I was watching a documentary on him... it's very possible.
@CAM whats with the “lol”?
I believe since they apprehended the golden state killer they have ruled out the possibility
@CAM absolutely. Within his case there is no evidence of him treating victims like this, however he did seem to be able to change his criminal identity
But the golden state killer was bold about leaving his DNA behind.
Its not possible. He visited Australia in the 1960s when he was in the navy. But he couldn't have been Mr Cruel though before he was identified there was some suggestions he could have been Mr Cruel.
I can't imagine the devastation of the Chan family, thinking he was going to follow his pattern and return their daughter but instead never getting her back. They must have been so hopeful at the beginning 😞 unbelievably sad
Such a brave and smart two girls!! My heart goes to Karmein's family, specially the mum, it broke my heart seeing her cry...
I feel like it’s possible he may have killed himself after killing karmein. Purely because his past actions seemed like he was doing everything to not have to be a murderer. And if he was indeed depressed then it’s a possibility. Perhaps he did it in a way no one would find his body idk
Or he was found but the connection wasn't made
even if they did it's possible it wouldnt have been liked to the mr cruel case...after all they barely had any details about his appearance
if he was guilty enough to kill himself, why not confess in a suicide note? like if you're going to die anyway what do you have to lose
I don’t think he committed suicide. He is too selfish. He def didn’t want to be a murderer. Although he Was demented he treated his victims kindly. As though he was role playing a relationship. I can’t see him being caught.
no way, he either retired or moved somewhere else, like the golden state killer
I've always lived in Melbourne & was 9/10 when Mr Cruel was attacking young girls around my Age. I remember my mum always making sure every window & door was locked 24/7. I was already terrified & although I did hear about it on the news, my parents tried to hide that he had murdered he's last victim from me. There was also another horrible man around called Mr Stinky. It was a really scary time for young girls, & their families, in Melbourne.
I'm glad u or ur family didn't get hurt 🙏🏼
I had forgotten about Mr Stinky, I grew up in the area also. I was the same age and was terrified of Mr Cruel.
I broke into tears watching Karmens mum breaking down in that press conference.
R.I.P Karmen x
I was a little kid when these crimes occurred and spent my childhood being terrified of being kidnapped! Now I know why as I lived only a suburb from the first crime, and now live a suburb from the second one! I recall the Chan murder was locally considered to be related to asian gang crime, but who knows? Her poor mother is such a lovely lady and everyone spoke highly of her. I hate that he wasn't caught, I hope he was imprisoned for another crime and that's why it stopped!
Omg the elation I felt when Sharon was found alive and was able to return home was unreal. So many true crimes end with “and that’s the last time her family saw her alive” that I had goose bumps, when I saw the full rendering of the room I jumped, clapped and shouted “YES GIRL!” I’m so proud of her for being so smart and brave.
Poor Carmen and her family. I cannot imagine what a lowlife that ex employee that bashed her must be given all the family went through! I hope he received swift justice
The Chan family letters honestly broke my heart.
I CANT WAIT TO LISTEN TO THIS WHILE WASHING THE DISHES
I do this too 😂
Me too! Makes the chore bore so much more manageable
This is meeee
This is me when I’m cooking!! 😂
OOOO ME
The last little girl’s family pleading for her to be returned is so heartbreaking. They are all very sad but at least the others made it back home.
I don’t know why I found it so much worse that the attacker was kind and gentle. It just gave me a sick feeling that made me want to vomit immediately after hearing….
I feel like Bella Fiori should premiere her videos, so everyone can watch these videos together and view people’s opinions on the cases Live.
Yessss
Phillis has gone through so much! I feel so heart broken for her and her family and I hope she is doing okay right now...
I cried so hard when you showed that clip of Phyllis at the press conference... I hope the Chan family has been able to rebuild some sort of normalcy.
Karmein’s parents sound like my family, and hearing that press conference broke my heart. I hope karma gets that sicko in the worst way
Shout to sharron for surviving two separate near death experiences you go mama
I feel so horrible for the parents especially the ones who lost their daughter. I don't have kids but I have 3 siblings under the age of 10 and I cannot imagine losing them. I hope this guy is brought to justice.
I feel like so many leads were looked into that they might've seen him, seen the house, talked with him, and ruled him out for some reason as that does happen
There's a handful of people they couldn't rule out but also couldn't make a case against. So he could be one of them. I do think the house he took the victims to could be tracked down for sure.
I really enjoy hearing Australian cases because I’m American and 9 times out of 10, I am unfamiliar with the case. Like this one. Thanks, Bella and Mia! 🌻
What’s your pfp from?
@@fabh9674 her name is mujika from an anime called “the promised neverland” I highly recommend it! 😊
That sounds messed up
@@hope4937 wdym
Heartbreaking to hear about what happened to Karmein Chan, she was a 13 year old girl just doing what any responsible older sister would do by babysitting her 2 younger sisters, they were all meant to be safe inside their family home but some twisted psychopath decides to break in and then forever destroy the lives of her parents and sisters.
RIP Karmein and kudos to her mother Phyllis for staying as mentally strong as she has despite everything she has endured.
Glad that the other 3 girls managed to survive their ordeals and were able to be reunited with their families, I only wished Karmein had that same fortune.
Hope Mr Cruel gets his share of karma.
God, I don't know what would be worse. Hearing your daughter being assaulted and knowing you can't get to them. Or them being taken and having no clue if this will be the time he decides not to bring them back.
Honestly Sharon's recount of events and the detail is so amazing for someone so young & for what she went through x
I love this channel and all these videos. I used to be so fearful of these things but Bella’s videos have helped me through hard times and developed an interested in these and overcome my fear of it. I feel stronger. I know it doesn’t matter much, but it matters to me. Thank you for your videos.
I use Mia as comfort during these cases. Makes things feel better 🥰🥰
i appreciate the pet cameos in the background as comic relief. the camera focusing on the kitty trying to get under the blanket brought me comfort
Phyllis crying at the press conference was absolutely heart wrenching 💔
I see Bella is wearing me as her earrings today 🥺
Same 😂
I know life sucks but don't ever refer to yourself as trash, and if anyone ever says your trash, slap them because you're a human being worthy of self love and self respect. Don't let the hard times drive you to put yourself down.
oh noo Dahlia don’t say that
take that back 🤺
Lmaooooooo😭😭😭😭😭
Every time I hear about Mr Cruel I can’t help but think of the Golden State Killer. They seem so scarily similar!
That is what i thought from the very beginning of the Video
I've been watching so many Australian cases. I swear they are the most interesting but very sad. Thank you for shedding light on so many cases ❤❤ you're amazing 👏
these cases happened so close to me! and Phyllis actually owned one of the restaurants 5 minutes from where I live. however, it closed down a few years back. she was a beautiful lady. absolutely heartbreaking
Oh gosh, when the mother screamed out to "give me my daughter back". I'm sorry the two girls and the two families went threw and continuing to go threw this horrific crime.
Hello everyone! It's Sunday in America, so Happy Mother's Day to all the moms! Pets & plants count too! :)
Plants? Yall really love to do the MOST.🙄
@@ShayLikeButter it’s rlly not that serious it’s just a plant 💀
plants need moms too
@@ShayLikeButter how miserable of a person you must be to disparage a mother's day comment. I don't know who hurt you, but I hope you heal.
@@ShinbiBelldandy it sounds ridiculous when you say happy mother's day to people who have plants. I mean, who really thinks people who can water a plant once a day are equal to a mother? 🤣 It really minimizes what it actually means to be a mother. 🤦♀️
Tell me you are an Aussie, without telling me you are an Aussie....
Bella: "Yonks!!"
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Thank you so much for doing this episode and shedding light on it again. I went to Presbyterian Ladies' College and was in the same year level as Karmein Chan - I often sat with her, we had her younger sisters Karly and Karen on our laps on the school bus each day. It was such a terrifying time in Melbourne and particularly at our school because we wondered if PLC had been targeted by him and we were in constant fear that any of us could be next. David Sprague from the Spectrum Taskforce spoke at our school assembly numerous times in the aftermath of Nicola Lynas' abduction and return, then during the year that Karmein was missing, it was so surreal and scary. Karmein was a gem, but she was also cheeky - my theory is that Mr Cruel didn't intend to kill her from the offset but did so because Karmein would've captured sight of him somehow or been too much of a handful for him. I along with many of my classmates attended Karmein's funeral and I will never forget the primal scream of Karmein's Mum as she was led down the alter towards Karmein's coffin at the church that day. Such a tragic story and incredibly frustrating that nobody has been held to account for the damage and loss that he has caused.
It’s good to see former students at Karmein Chan’s old college still remember the cases and take an interest. Personally I feel sorry for the Spectrum taskforce, who worked hard but were dealt a dud hand by previous investigations. These include such mistakes as losing vital evidence; not releasing a full description of Karmein despite the obvious “... of Asian appearance”. No height, or weight and a photo of an 8 year old girl instead of a teenager who was 13. Police also told the FBI that all Mr Cruel crimes took place during school holidays, but Nicola Lynas was kidnapped in the last week of school term 2 in 1990.
The list of mistakes goes on and on. The offender probably couldn’t believe his luck. If you want to know more a good place to start is the Melbourne Marvels website. They published an interesting part of a manuscript by a former college employee, “Clinton Bailey”, claiming Mr Cruel may be someone in the electrical trade. Hope you find this of interest.
may god bless her mom and sisters
Thanks for sharing that Belinda. Apparently one of the bus drivers was looked at very closely for inappropriate behaviour with students - did you remember that?
I don't remember our bus driver or any other bus drivers being looked at closely. We caught privately chartered buses each day, had the same bus and the same driver. I definitely recall our regular bus driver Bruce though who would've been in his mid to late 60s at the time, he always seemed like a decent and friendly man who wouldn't hurt a fly to me.. I can understandwhy he'd be questioned though considering he knew Karmein, her sisters, where they lived and their daily routine..
The way Bella narrates the mysteries not leaving a single deet, also repeating them over again to remind us and tell us is so incredible.🤍
The other possibility (it’s very dark so I hope not) is that he was selling his videos of the abuse as child pornography, and then took it one step further and killed the Chan girl in order to sell a snuff film 😭
But it doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't have he done the same to the other 2? It could be that she saw his face and he killed her out of fear.
@@lily2820This is exactly it. He was a calculating sociopath, but he was also a fucking coward. He most likely intended to let Carmein go, but she was aggressive and fought for her life, seeing his face. So he shot her.
you’re earrings never let me down and obviously your videos, i cannot watch anything for over 20 minutes but i can watch like 3 of your videos in a row
so scary that these attacks occured literally 2 minutes away from my home my mum has always told me about this guy, she has theories that mr cruel had something to do with bung siriboons disappearance.
Mia gives me the emotional support I need while listening to this horrible stories ❤️
Evidence “disappearing”, the way he cleaned, I also find it fishy that when they pleaded to him outside police, a police officer tried to get money out of them. And that he even tried to confused/throw them off with writing on the car… I think it’s a strong possibility that he is/was in law enforcement…
I’ve written detailed responses to this and other posts offering additional information on this that keep being taken down. Once more ... the police do not do themselves any favours by taking down all apparent references to Mr Cruel and his victims from their own rewards site (last time I looked).
They also do themselves little credit for point blank refusing to issue a new and corrected criminal profile on the offender to replace the deeply flawed FBI profile of 24 April 1991.
If you have any questions re. this feel free to ask or reply.
Take care, best wishes, Penguin Vic.
My heart just broke when they showed Karmein's mom pleading for her😢😢 I can't imagine her pain💔
Oh, those letters to him from the family. Absolutely heart wrenching. 💔
I love her ear rings! They look just like Mr. Cruel.
I think it was done by someone who worked and currently worked in the police enough to know their process and who things work to be able to get away, and with evidence disappearing that could also explain that , i think they were so focused on finding the person, they never really thought it could be one of them
As you were describing all the pleas that Karmein’s family made, I was begging that she was found alive like the other girls. That is so devastating.
You did an amazing job on this one. Excellent research and delivery. Fr Bella you are so good at this . Blessings to all the families.
it's 10pm and I have school tomorrow and the thumbnail terrified me but it's Bella so I gotta watch
OMG Mia is such a character! I absolutely adore her, she's, arguably, the cutest dog ever!
Also, how can you make ANYTHING an earring and totally rock it!?
I was born and raised in Ferntree Gully and that area, and I’ve never heard of this story my whole 20 years.... learn something new everyday.. this is absolutely terrifying!
Loved this video xx
As a Hong Konger I felt so heartbroken by the last one. The whole time I was desperately hoping you'd say she was found alive, released, but alas. I hope her soul is resting easy.
I broke down when you were talking about the poor Phyllis, what a sweet, caring mother.