FINALLY an AFFORDABLE 16CH Home Theater Processor - Monolith HTP-1 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- 16ch Home Theater processors often are out of reach for most people.....well that was until the Monolith HTP-1 hit the scene with an affordable option. Buy the Monolith HTP-1 here - amzn.to/33Tn5LL
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Sound quality over the rmc1? What movies did you see? Was there a big difference to your 7705? How did Dirac differ from audyssey?
I came here to ask the exact same questions. Would love to know the answers!
The RMC-1 is a great sounding processor, just way too buggy when I reviewed it.
I did not notice a huge difference in sound quality between the HTP-1 and the AV7705.
Dirac offers a lot more control than Audyssey but also has a higher learning curve (which I have not yet mastered.
@@Youthman Also, Dirac sounds better then Audyssey. It does a much better job
Dirac offers more potential and has more customization for dialing in your setup but also has a learning curve as well. Audyssey is mostly automatic.
Timoteus Strågefors Agreed. Much better. Its easy to setup also, at least on a computer.
I got to say man, I really appreciate how efficient you are with your videos. 13 minutes it’s about as short as I could possibly imagine reviewing piece of gear like this in, and I don’t feel like you left anything out.
Thank you Nathan. I try to include as much detail as I can while also being precise and to the point
So if you were going separate for the first time and knowing what you know from both the HTP and the 7705, which would you buy?
Youhman probably cant reply to that as he cant upset the vendors. That’s one of the downsides of sponsorship.
@Roberto, for my setup, I prefer the simplicity of the Marantz 7705. I believe Dirac Live offers a better and more robust room correction and if you love tweaking your system, Dirac Live might be a better fit. For me, I'm a "set it and forget it" type of guy. I want to run calibration, make a few minor tweaks due to my preferences and be done with it. I'm new to Dirac Live so it has a bit more of a learning curve than Audyssey. For new guys, Audyssey is much easier to use.
@x01e, I have no problem voicing my opinion on products. Brand deals and sponsored videos do not prevent me from sharing my opinion. The delay in my reply isn't because of sponsorships, it's simply because I receive soooo many comments, I cannot possibly reply to them all. Thx for watching.
Overall a very good product review, I wish if you would have talked more about the sound quality with some reference comparisons. I know it would be subjective but would give some ideas.
Its a processor ... beside doing the crossover .. it dosent really mess with sound quality at all.
I would disagree that a processor doesn’t mess with sound quality at all. Check out this video - th-cam.com/video/EAb20tLu_r8/w-d-xo.html
A processor does two things in general w.r.t to audio.
1) Decode audio format --> this is a well-defined universal protocol, so every processor will follow the same protocol.
2) Convert the decoded audio format to analog and send it out to the amplifier and then to speakers. This is where DAC comes into the picture.
#2 is what differentiates different processors with the quality of components used, their DAC design, and accuracy in reproducing the sound from the digital format.
It does not mess with the audio content but definitely messes with the content reproduction and presenting it to the amps/speakers.
Of course, there will be other factors like the features each supports/offers that will differ from one processor to another.
@@Youthman We need audio comparisons dont we ? great too see how to use but I dont buy on features I am only interested in how it sounds in comparison to other processors they do sound different, like all DACs and pre amps
All I can tell you is when I went from an Marantz SR8012 to a Marantz AV7705, there was definitely better channel separation. It wasn’t night and day but significant enough for me to sell the SR8012 and upgrade to the AV7705.
Love the look, if it was priced closer to $3K vs $4K I would get this unit.
No mention of price or sound quality. Not a review but rather a (paid?) product showcase😉
Also 4000$ is not “affordable” but prosumer. Would you call a $4k dac or preamp “affordable”?
Did you even watch the review? I’m pretty sure I spent about three minutes talking about the price near the end of the video.
I do not have any sponsored reviews as that would be a conflict of interest. Any sponsored ads in my videos are clearly stated at the beginning of the video as well as in the description.
It’s obvious you did not watch the video as I explained $4000 being affordable compared to other 16 channel processors which can reach $15,000 or more.
Would have liked to see comparisons but i really like the the in depth look at the setup nice job there.
Way out of my price range, but definitely not outrageous. Looks like a nice piece of equipment. I'm still drooling over the SR 8015 and hopefully will have it before the end of the year!
its outrageous.
Let's not forget you still have to add at least 2 pieces of power amplifier..
😂😂
Seems like adding a simple on screen display would solve a lot of the issues.
I don’t want to see everything...just the volume. 😉
@@Youthman But it would better to have a on screen display ?
Daniel J.Glowny not to me. If you can make changes on your phone, I’m ok with that. Just would like to see volume
Open the door for a larger display
Are you going to keep this in your main setup?
Great review as always! Clean video , audio and well spoken. Keep up the good work Michael!
Thanks Neil
Wish you’d spend more time on the sound and less on the nitty gritty. The nitty gritty is important,particularly if I buy the unit and need help. But it’s sound quality I need to know about before I need to know about set up. Thanks for listening
Great Review! I see that most of my questions were answered as I read below. Between Marantz 7705 (similar to an 8805) and HTP-1, sound quality - separation and details were relatively the same to your ear. Would love to see a review on the JBL Synthesis SDP-55 processor as I've not seen much info on this, or the SDR-35 AVR.
👀 9:50 someone is prepping for next gen console launches haha. Good review!
Yes sir! Waited for 4hrs outside GameStop for my PS5 preorder. 😀
Would you buy it over the rmc-1?
Definitely. I experienced toooooo many bugs in the RMC-1. They just came out with the RMC-1L. Maybe it’s better.
Youthman I have the RMC 1L and it is still incredibly buggy (2.1 rev). Most frustrating piece of gear I’ve owned in 30 years of tech. When it’s not dropping audio or video randomly, forcing an entire off/on reset, it’s a great pre/pro. Disappointing compared to all the Emotiva Amps I own.
@@darianwesolowski2526 ya I'm not a fan of any Emotiva products. Even their amps aren't great for the money. There's a lot of better equipment for the price.
Man I was hoping they would have the bugs worked out in the RMC-1L. Sadly that seems to be the case with most Emotiva processors over the years.
Damn this thing is nice and seems a lot less buggy than the Emotiva. I think I might grab this in the future when I get another amp to run the rest of my speakers. Awesome review Steve.
Yes compared to the RMC-1 that I reviewed, this was very stable.
Love the idea of web interface for control. Great review as always :)
Thanks Tony
Youthman I got my Denon now but boy I would have loved this as a preamp!
Web interface forces me to use the system less. Last thing I want to do is turn the tv on or use my cell to listen to music.
Great review man. I agree, they are off to a great start with the web UI, it's actually a great idea. I am not a fan of the Bass control being an add on, but if it can replace a minidsp, then at least there is definitely value added. I have been considering a processor and do plan to upgrade to one in the future; in your opinion, did you notice any increase in sound quality over your Marantz?
Replace MiniDSP?!? Is the multi sub package for $499 worth it over the $280 you could spend for MiniDSP and a UMIK-1 bundle? Regardless, I'm loving everything Monoprice is doing in the home theater arena. Can't wait to get my hands on some of their products. Great video!
Thanks Trevor. Bass Control seems to do everything the miniDSP can do (much of it automated) and even more.
I don't need all 16 channels, but I wouldn't mind DIRAC.
I would love to learn a bit more about how to setup Dirac Live. Seems incredibly robust compared to Audyssey.
Title: Affordable
Me: looks up price $4000
Watch the video and you’ll understand why I say it’s affordable
I like it.. Not crazy about the web ui.
It’s different.
Can't wait to also start labeling my inputs PS5 and Xbox Series X as well! 😀
😀
Great video Youthman. Thank you for going over the processor and yes like some of the other folks here have said I would like to hear more about it and more details. You mentioned about the processor taking a while to change inputs are you sure that wasn't the syncing up of the slow JVC projector is they are notorious for that? If you had hooked the processor up to say a flat panel TV/monitor that could sync much faster than say our JVC projectors you may have noticed it was much faster. Thanks again
Yeah unfortunately I don’t even own a TV so there’s no way for me to have tested that. I’m not sure how fast it would work with a TV
Thank you the the video! Just a comment so that people watching this are aware that 10+ you describe seconds when switching inputs is not typical of the HTP-1. Most users I know of including myself experience the very opposite: fast input switching, in the range of 3-5 seconds. This can vary according to your setup, but a long delay when switching inputs is very unusual for the HTP-1 and should be investigate if you have the time to do so as it can be fixed.
Thank you for that feedback. I assume that was normal for this unit. The Emotiva RMC-1 had a similar time. Someone mentioned in the comments that it could be due to It’s been connected to my JVC projector. I’ll try taking it into my daughters bedroom and connecting to her 4K TV to see if it’s any faster.
Hey YM, very impressed with Dirac live unfortunately I’m not very impressed with the pre-pros, The affordable ones anyways that come with Dirac. if only Marantz would adopt Dirac that would be a game changer. I bought a Integra pre-pro in 2008 with audyssey just picked up a used 8802 marantz pre-pro which is eight or nine years newer with audyssey and they’re almost the same I know that this version of audyssey is more advanced but not eight years advanced. The Marantz definitely sounds better than the Integra no question also for the price difference it should sound better but that isn’t always the case but I’m very happy with the sound and the interface. I guess that’s just how it goes I really want a new supra but it doesn’t come with a manual, come on a two seater sports car with no manual option that would be like having a surround system with no subwoofer hopefully someday stay safe👍
Hopefully this pandemic curbs soon so Monolith can get their production back together. Building a theater and drooling over their lineup for several months! I'll get the room done and won't have anything to power it
Great review YM, I’m looking forward for some of the technology to make its down into he mid level Pre Pros, maybe in a few years
Oh for sure it typically does
Nice review Micheal. This may be my next processor!!! Tired of using my high-ish end DENON AVR as a processor since I use external amps now.
Edit; some of the setup features are a little rough. Hope they continue to improve upon via FW
I think they did a killer job for their very first processor! There are companies that have been making processors for years that have way more issues than this one did
Youthman That fantastic to hear.! I love that you enjoyed it so much. Yes others have had some severe growing pains for sure.
I would love an onscreen display especially if it showed album art when playing music.
So basically for less than the cost it would take to upgrade my Theta Casablanca with all the current updates. I could get a multi-channel processor instead.
Great video!!👍
Amazon isn't carrying them now. I found tone winner A300 for a lot less than this one. You should give that a review.
Check out Spec of Tech, he has a few Tonewinner reviews.
Great review of the HTP 1👍
Thank you
In your opinion Is this a better option than the $1000 cheaper xmc-2 from emotiva?
I have the XMC-2 with 2.1 firmware and it has been very solid so far. Wish it had a web interface though
In terms of user experience, functionality and constant updates, most definitely!
great video.....what are you getting in for review next..?
I already have the SR8015 in for review. Shared some other upcoming reviews that are in the works on Patreon.
Great review as always thanks for this. What’s the difference between the RMC 1 and 1L?
RMC-1 is expandable up to 32 channels, the 1L is not.
Couldn't you turn the phone to the horizontal orientation?
I tried that and although it did help, my iPhone 11 Pro was not wide enough to fit the entire table of the Config Tab.
Honestly I don't get why they are so expensive. I mean a processor itself basically just does anything in software right? Or am I not understanding something. Also why is it so thick? It could be able to be much thinner because it's just processing the audio?
What are high powered speaker output in a processor , does a pre amp also have low powered speaker output ? Does a pre amp process Low frequency speaker subwoofer as well?
Can you limit the maximum volume so you don't accidentally set it to destructive or painful levels?
Great video very informative 👍👍👍
Thanks Abe
4k for something that will probably be upgraded and improved over the next few renditions?
I'll just go pre-out mode with my new x4700h and that monolith amp if I get unhappy with my current sound(unlikely)...
How are you liking your 4700h so far.
I find it to be very buggy. Its just not ready for prime time yet. Switching inputs is delayed. Hdmi cec takes too long to power on when other devices power on. My pioneer avr powers on immediately when I turn on my shield tv .there is just more that I can't list here. Im really thinking about go back to pioneer.
@@rindershow212 I have none of those issues. My unit has worked almost perfectly for about a month now. I love it and it sounds wonderful. Big upgrade from my AVR 3808ci.
The only issue I've had since getting it is with the video pass-through.. twice now my PJ colors were all greenish but a simple AVR power off/on fixed it.
Something tells me you got a bad one or something because mine has been great... and I'm kind of a perfectionist ....I don't put up with nonsense I would have sent it back. I use harmony to switch between roku, Xfinity, and CD all the time with no issues.
@@Youthman Denon x4700h. I wouldn't bother with an Emotiva proc...love their amps though!
@@Youthman we are talking about the denon 4700h
@@snauspockets9924 yea ive had that greenish screen also when I switch inputs sometimes. I mean the avr works fine ,I just feel like these manufacturers are just in a race to see who comes out with the first 8k avrs and in the process are not built like the older ones. Something tells me I would have been better off with the older 4500 e.t.c..
I've had pioneers all my life but pioneer products just started to go under water. And their updates and customer service took a crap as well. So I went with the next best thing "denon" since its a very common avr in the youtube home theater community. The reciever works great but just some glitches every now and then. Like I have it set to when there is no signal to power off in 30mins, sometimes it does and sometimes I get home after a 10hr word day and the avr is still on, when I switch inputs I sometimes get that green screen you mentioned but then goes away. I have the hdmi cec turned on so when I power on my devices like my shield tv or panasonic ub9000 bluray, the avr takes atleast 10secs to power on after it senses other components power on and that in my opinion is just too damn long. My older pioneer powers on almost instantly.
I'm gonna use it for a bit and if these issue still persist then im just gonna sell it and go with separates.
Oh and the denon app? Sucks!
Just a note: The new Marantz 2020 lineup links are missing the SR6015.
Thanks, that’s because when I made the video, they were not available.
I just want a affordable 11.1 channel.
Apparently $4 grand is affordable. Glitches come free of charge.
I do not personally need a 16ch processor. My Marantz AV7706 has performed flawlessly
With affordability you sacrifice something. That being Said what do you feel about this units options and features when compared to the higher priced units? Do you feel that the higher priced units justify their price with increased performance.
The only other 16ch processor I have reviewed is the RCM-1 and it had a lot of bugs.
On web GUI, I can go to chrome, input the monolith address, once the page is loaded, input the given IP address, and get connected.
If I want to use this GUI as my remote, I have to go thru these steps every time? Or once you are locked in, you are locked in forever?(no need to input IP address every time)
Anyone use this with modern Genelec monitors? Is there any additional hiss with this hooked up to them vs nothing?
Love the shirt! 😉
Thanks, Me too 😀
Mhm, 8:00 that looks like an HTML table, and tables can't be made responsive, you always have to scroll to the right to see, if there are too many column.
I think they used Material Design, the MD table component is also build on top of HTML table, so ye. They will need to make something completely custom.
No on the unit viewing, is No Deal. hope they fix this. I dont want to use a different device to look for volume and settings. what a odd thing to do. After seeing the price...LOLOL
What if you have 2 power amps.
How do you hook up the prepro to both amps?
Can you used Xlr Y splitters wire for each channel?
One single XLR cable is used for each channel that you are wanting to amplify. It doesn’t matter how many amps you have. No splitters are needed
When are they going to release a new model with hdmi 2.1 capability?
I have not heard
I am little bit confused which processers to buy for my home theater.I have denon avrx6500h oppo bdp203 monolitch 7x200 w onkyo 9x150w THX amplifire my speaker all klipsch 7.2.6 set up. Thank you.
What do you feel you are missing with your 6500H?
The HTP-1 was briefly in stock last night, so I was able to grab one! I’m still deciding on keeping the 11X I ordered or picking up (3) of the Monolith 5 x 200’s to be “future proof” with the HTP-1 and when we move in a year or two.
Graduations! What speakers are you running? If they are fairly efficient, honestly 11 X should be plenty of power. I have run several systems on it and it has had no issues powering them
@@Youthman I have the Monolith THX-365T and THX-365C for the front and THX-265B for the rear with dual Monolith 12 subs and I really love how they all sound…room is less than 1000 cubic feet. When we move though, I’ll most likely want to do a 9.2.6 setup with actual in ceiling speakers, etc, so I’m just thinking of what would be the “smartest” decision with amps. The 11X will for sure power those 4 ohm and modest sensitivity speakers well in my room now, but I would be buying another amplifier in the future. Since I’m only using 9 speakers right now, I could just get two 5x200 and then get another 5x200 when I move…I’m just OCD (actually) and don’t want them to change the design or anything before that time comes.
That would completely work as well.
@@Youthman My OCD pickiness/weirdness annoys me with stuff like this…haha. We all have preferences of course, but how do you feel about what you have (7.2.4) vs. 9.2.6?
I have no need to go beyond 7.2.4 for my size room. My room is 13’ x 19’ with 10’ ceiling but my front cabinet takes up 4’ of the 19’ of floor and ceiling space so there would not be any benefit of going to a 9.2.4 in my setup
what would you buy the Emotiva RMC 1L or the Monolith HTP-1. I do have the Emotiva DR3 and XPA4. I'm waiting on my tax check so what one do you recommend. Thank you
HTP-1 would get my vote. I had no real issues with the HTP-1. The RMC-1 was super buggy when I reviewed it.
My man - how are you? Every time I make any change to my home theater set up is after reviewing your content so thank you.
Currently running 7.2.2 - Atmos with 2 SVS Sub- Using Marantz SR 8012 with Emotiva 5 channel amp power main 5 speakers.
Looking to upgrade to separate Pre/Pro - Any recommendation that I would notice the diff? Looking at Monoprice, Emotiva along with waiting on Anthem AVM 70.
Thank you kindly. Over the years I have added various amplifiers to my AVR‘s and did not notice a huge difference. It wasn’t until I moved to separate and had a dedicated processor that I noticed the biggest difference.
The Monolith HTP-1 is a solid processor.
I have been very pleased when upgrading from the Marantz SR8012 to the AV7705 processor and will be upgrading to the AV7706.
The Emotiva RMC-1 was super buggy during my review. Others have shared they enjoy the XMC-2.
@@Youthman awesome. I am waiting to see how new Anthem Avm Processors are. Hope you get hands on those to review.
I never heard back from Anthem
your argument about the phone app is you are using it wrong...... for setup and adjustment use a tablet laptop or at minimum a tablet. the mobil app is really to be your remote.
Hey Youthman I have a question for you. Is there any way you can get a hold to a JBL Synthesis SDP-55 and review it? You never hear anyone talking about or even reviewing it. Just curious. Great videos and channel.
Hi Marlon, I do not have a contact for JBL
@@Youthman Bummer. I love your in depth and detailed reviews. 👍🏾
Thank you I appreciate it
Looks great mate! Not sure about being affordable for us Australians..time to move to the U.S..😁
@Youthman which of these would you prefer? This, XMC-2, the new AVM70 or possibly the Acurus Muse?
Unfortunately I haven’t heard any of them yet to be able to provide an opinion.
Based on my past anthems appearance they always have rock solid products and software-= hard to go wrong withAnthem processing or amplification
Great review. I was excited for this to come out given how buggy the emotive Rmc-1 can be. However, as someone whose home theater system is also used as my 2 channel music system, I’m disappointed that there are no balanced XLR inputs so I could use my external DAC.
But it does 😌😌😏😏🤭🤭
Hey Youthman, quick question. Why do expensive processors take this long to turn on and switch inputs while my budget AVR takes 2-3 seconds max? Would appreciate your insight!
you’re basically dealing with a computer. A computer requires a decent amount of boot up time. Even your phone is a small computer and it takes time to boot up as well. With AVR’s, they don’t have an operating system that needs to boot up.
@@Youthman Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
How is $4000 For an AV processor considered affordable ?
It’s only affordable if someone is looking at processors for their setup. Trinnov is $16,000 or $32,000. Lyngdorf is $12,000. So in comparison to most processors on the market, indeed, $4,000 would be very affordable. If someone has an AVR, $4,000 likely would not be considered affordable to them.
Hey how does bass management replace the MiniDSP HD??
It offers the same features a d a few others (time alignment, EQ, house curve, etc) but even easier to implement.
Affordable ?! Holy cow ! Sounds great though...
Attainable by most. Just might have to save awhile
For 16 channels! With Dirac! Yes yes very affordable!
@@Youthman Attainable by MOST??? Jumping the gun on that one my friend. Saving up for awhile Michael would not be attainable by most. This is still a very expensive product.
I agree it’s not cheap but we all spend money on something. I know people that smoke that spend $200/month or more on cigarettes. That would take two years to save up $4,000.
For others it’s coffee, eating out at restaurants, fishing, golf.
So yes, I still stand by my statement that most could save up for this.
Don’t forget, anyone that has 16 speakers in their setup should be able to afford $4000.
Would love to get one but 1000€ just for shipping when the unit it self only is 3500€
Yikes! Yes that’s steep
Any of these small bugs been worked out. Since you made this video?
Not sure. I sent it back after the review period.
why don't you use the rf7 iii to try the wide channel ??
They would be around 4’ from my listening position as wides. Would not be an ideal setup
the nad is not 16 ch but i compare with a few on the list the sound on the nad is up there :)
Yes I was only comparing 16ch processors
The word " Affordable" is used to describe something that even low income families can afford. Your using wordplay to get views with " Affordable" and that's just dead wrong. Home audio equipment should never cost more than a vehicle. Especially since audio us something we can live without. A vehicle is a MUST for everyone.
As stated in a previous comment, if you are looking at buying a processor, this would certainly be affordable as the other options are a $16,000 or $32,000 Trinnov, a $12,000 Lyngdorf or a Storm Audio..
I’m not sure why you feel Hone Theater Equipment should never cost more than a vehicle. Just about any hobby can cost more than a vehicle (art, time pieces, sports memorabilia etc. Also, a vehicle actually isn’t a must for everyone. Plenty of people that do no own cars that either walk, ride a bike or take public transportation.
I had a chat with a senior tech at Marantz who basically told me there is NO difference between their AVR line-up and their processors besides removing the integrated amp (I had asked about upgrading from sr6014 to av7705), which kind of moved me away from the idea of a processor. What has been your experience? My current setup is an SR6014 (replacing with SR6015 soon) utilizing it as a processor by having a tonewinner 5300 and marantz mm7025 attached to the pre-outs, driving SVS Ultra towers, Sb3000, ultra center, rear bookies, and 2 polk in ceilings for atmos. The 6014 does not let me turn off the integrated amp but the 6015 will let me do so, so it can function as just a processor. That's where I wonder if there would be any difference... Many of the folks in my groups tell me to get an Anthem AVM60 or its successor, but I had every intention of using the audyssey android app and REW/Umik1 to manipulate my curves. Also have an SB3000 and a MiniDSP 2x4hd so I'm all set to properly room correct once I finalize my setup... Just not sure if a pre-pro is worth the cost for me.
Hi Alexander. I was surprised by your statement regarding the senior tech you spoke with so I reached out to Marantz myself for clarification. Here is the response I received.
• The AV7705 is close to the SR7013 in terms of quality and functionality as both products are built from the common engineering platform, but not the SR6014. The 7705 and 7013 offer superior performance to the 6014.
• The AV8805 is far superior to anything else in the Marantz AV lineup in terms of quality and functionality.
• Consider the AV7705, or the AV7706 is a budget friendly yet fully functional AV prepro which gets the job done for most consumers, custom installers, while the AV8805 is our flagship prepro if you are looking for ultimate quality and performance and own higher end power amps.
In the past, I have added various amplifiers to my AVR's including the Marantz SR8012 and did not hear a huge difference. It wasn't unit I upgraded from the SR8012 to the AV7705 that I heard a significant difference.
Hope that helps
@@Youthman Thanks. I wonder if they can elaborate further. It surprises me at this time that each time I reach out to Marantz I seem to get a slightly different answer. As you say, you found the AV7705 to be better than an 8012? This is where I find myself confused. Now I am curious again as to how my SR6015 with integrated amp decoupled will sound compared to say the AV7705 then. According to the tech I talked to, and from what you have said, it seems like it might be a shot in the dark, as many seem to disagree. Have you heard the Anthem AVM60 before or other pre-pros that might be objectively better to you than the Marantz lineup?
@@Youthman flagship with no HDR10+, DTS-X pro, or HDMI 2.1 that a $2500 Denon 6700h can do. I would like to buy an 8805 but is it really that much better than an AVR at half it's price?
I haven’t heard the 8805 so I’m not sure how much better. Twice the cost is often not equal to twice the performance
Thanks for sharing. A quick comment though. A lot of reviews mentions « sounds phenomenal ». I would like to see a video that compares known models and where you would rank them by preference, with the reasons. You are very knowledgeable and that would be great for us to know how you rank them based on your opinion.
Thank you Daniel. The reality is so much of this is subjective and often times I do not have gear in at the same time to compare them. For example I reviewed the Emotiva RMC-1 over a year ago. Honestly it’s just difficult to try and compare something that I listen to today with some thing that I listen to a year ago
@@Youthman Makes sense. I understand. Btw, my comment was not only about processors. It would be great for all kind of devices. Subs, amps, processors, room corrections. I like it when you produce « vs » videos. Don’t be afraid to voice your subjective opinion. Try to request them from suppliers to have them in the same time to be able to do A/B comparison. What about your well known Marantz processor, which I think you own right?
@@danielseguin913 I have no problem putting gear up against each other. I've done it plenty of times on my channel, especially with subwoofers since you can actually measure them to see how they perform. It's easy to switch between two subwoofers to see how it sounds / performs. Much more difficult transition between processors & AVR's.
@@Youthman but what about your daily set up? Surely you are extremely familiar with its sound signature and could easily tell a difference between it and say maybe the HTP-1 or when you had the T778. Both very recent.
If you could keep any of them as your own......which would you say sounded the best to your ears? Never mind all the options they have. Just talking pure sound quality. Which was your favorite plain and simple.
Or Do you never say for fear of not getting any units?
I don’t have a problem sharing how they compare with my setup. I really like Dirac but it definitely has a learning curve. I believe it has much more potential than Audyssey but I do not have the time to become an expert in it during a single review period. The HTP-1 sounds fantastic and is is a solid performer.
With that said, for 1/2 the cost, and no need for 16 channels, I’m completely satisfied with my Marantz 7705 (I haven’t reviewed the NAD).
Keep in mind just to get the Altitude 16 is $17k and that doesn't include and of the top sound formats and basic Dirac. I believe if you want the updated sound formats and full Dirac Live that includes base management, you will be spending close to $23k.
Keep you're eye out for ATI to drop a new 16 channel processor next year. Will be priced under $10k. ATI owns DataSat and will be incorporating that technology into their own version. DataSat Processors were well over $20k topping out around $28k-$30k for the ultimate model with everything. That would be high roller status right there!
Thanks for the info. I didn’t know Trinnov has so many addons.
6k for dirac ? damn
@@Youthman yeah, I didn't know either until I emailed a dealer about price and they told me base was $17k but If I wanted the full edition of Dirac and the latest set of sound formats like DTS:X Pro, Dolby and Auro it was be almost $3k extra for those. The full Dirac was around $3k as well.
Another high end Processor comes from JBL. JBL actually reached out to Trinnov for help. So basically JBL photocopied the Trinnov Altitude models and then put in a few different software tweaks and slapped on their JBL logo and BAM, they charge $20k+ for their model.
@@junior-OG $3k for full Dirac and $3k for latest and greatest sound formats (Dolby, DTS:X and Auro). Trinnov will also be upgrading their HDMI boards in the coming months. Most likely next year. Everything will be upgraded to HDMI 2.1. The nice thing is that they can send you that board and you can take out the old one and put in the new. Everything else needed for the Trinnov is all software based. So all future "updates" come via downloads.
Trinnov does not ship with any flavour of Dirac. It utilises it’s own EQ - Trinnov Optimizer
I'm not interested in a 16 channel processor, but a 7 channel processor would be interesting, but they don't seem to.be sold anymore.
Processors are typically 11ch or more
@@Youthman Indeed, but there used to be solid 7-channel processors like the Emotive XMC-1 (emotiva.com/products/xmc-1) which is 7.2. It's great that the number of channels for home users are increasing, but if you want a processor with only seven channels now you are more or less relegated to buying a receiver with pre-amp outputs. I'd just wish for a greater range of gear that also support the latest standards. Processors are a niche market I guess.
Processors are definitely niche. Most guys are using AVR and some add an amp to it.
@@Youthman Thank you for your time. A product I'm also interested in is the Anthem AMV70 that is set to release any week now. It's in roughly the same price range as this one..... seeing as I probably can't get fewer channels in a dedicated pre-amp :).
Anthem makes great gear. I reached out to them but I have not heard back
I'll go to great Dolby cinema theater enjoy with audience for lifetime without breaking my bank for hi-end private listening,maintainence, setup for which I also pay current bill
Nothing wrong with that. I’ll enjoy my home setup any day.
Well you didn't say the price in this vid. I should look for the prior vid. But the $3000 processor you mentioned well $3000 though not budjet not unGodly either. I mean Bose's LifeStyle 650 for all it's problems is $4000 almost.
It’s budget for a 16ch processor. Look up Trinnov, Storm Audio and Lyngdorf. They are over $12,000 each.
@@Youthman Ah yeah I follow you. No I know the Trinnov 32 is hella expensive. Stupid expensive is what Rob Harron 1 of the Tekzilla dudes would say. But bruh if their clame of they do the full Dolby Atmos speaker count be true meaning if Dolby Atmos really goes to 24 4 10 like that thing does then you'd better believe I so want that thing bruh. I wish you could credit it. Make payments on it in other words. Hell I'd want the extender too.
@@Youthman My main point was well again I missed the price of this thing. But you mentioned another 1 that was 3grand. Well All I was saying is that isn't ungodley expensive. Sure it ain't budjet and I guess it depends on each person what budjet means, but like I said better the $3000 processor or Onkyo's RZ 3100 AVR than the Life Style 650. Cause the 650 is $3900 so almost 4000$ and again it's HDMI 2.0 not even 2.0B and oh it's only 5.1 not even 7.1. Oh and worse Bose yet doesn't support DTS HD Master even.
I'm torn over this unit or the Marantz which is 8k. Thoughts?
Honestly I’m not sure you can go wrong with either one. My Marantz 7706 has been absolutely rocksolid with no hiccups or issues. If you want Dirac live in a bit more flexibility with calibration and dialing in your system, the HTP-1 might be the better fit.
@Youthman, I appreciate the quick response! I was more concerned about pairing it with a JVC 8k laser projector. I guess my question is do you think I will be sacrificing any potential video upscaling with the monolith processor not being 8K compatible?
8K is such a long ways away that would not be my deciding factor on anything I purchased. Get what meets your needs now and in 5 years when 8K is mainstream, then consider upgrading.
@Youthman Hopefully, Monolith will offer an upgrade for the unit in the future. In the meantime, makes sense. Thank you!
@Youthman I just realized they are out of stock until 12/31/22. What model Marantz would you recommend as an alternative? Or JBL Synthesis? I'm a running a 7.4.6 setup.
Anthem's AVM 70 is $500 cheaper and has an on screen display. That makes it a much better choice for me.
I can’t say so or not as they haven’t sent one for review. It’s had it’s fair share of hiccups and bugs.
@@Youthman I think all prepros have hiccups and bugs, since they're all essentially specialized computers.
Not all. I have had zero hiccups with my Marantz AV7706. None.
So, in other words, you still need to spend $15-20k to not have glitches?
On what? Last I heard Anthem AVM90 has glitches and others too.
@@Youthman I'm not actually being serious. I currently have a Marantz AVR and the right front channel quit. Luckily it has preouts so I just ordered a 2ch power amplifier and I'm going to offload the front channels to it. The process of doing this got me thinking about just going full separates. Thanks for the video by the way!
4,000$ affordable?
Htp-1 vs marantz av8802a and above depending sound quality? Big difference?? Thank you...it looks gorgeous...be safe!!!
I have not heard the 8802 or 8805 to know how it compares
Nice.
I think we all have opinions on what should be considered "affordable". 🤣 Maybe if I can find a job.
I felt the same as you until the last two minutes where I thought Youthman did an excellent job of stating the case why the HTP-1 was affordable when compared to other units in its class.
Certain chapters of quantum mechanics have to be simpler to master
Have you seen tenet Youthman?
I have. 😀 Saw it the first week it came out. Entertaining but quite difficult to follow
Youthman I saw it in imax and the bass was crazy. Would love to see you test the opening scene with your subs
Will definitely buy it. We saw it in Dolby Cinema. It was a great experience
👌
$4000 is affordable?
If you are looking at 16ch processors absolutely. Google Trinnov, Audio Control, Lyngdorf
@@Youthman Well then 16 channel processors are not affordable for me!
That aren’t for many of us.
$4000, and they still require you to pay $350 for dirac.
Most 16 channel processors do. Emotiva and Trinnov do as well.
Scroll down to Bass Control and you will see all of the AVR and Processors that you have to pay extra $499 for - live.dirac.com/home-audio-2/
xbox series x already :P you got some connections to Microsoft :) ?
I got two Series X on pre-order, 0 PS5 want to trade?
LOL I have my PS5 on preorder. No Xbox in the plans for me.
Bad title as everyone has a different definition of affordable...
Completely appropriate title in context with the price of other dedicated processors. Trinnov, Storm Audio and Lyngdorf will run you $12,000-$30,000. If you are considering a dedicated processor, $4,000 is extremely affordable. If you are comparing to AVR’s this video is t for you.
Looks like a home theater pc. Not crazy about it 🤷🏻♂️
Well ... essentially it is
He has a point lol
@@FOH3663 so it won't be long before average people are building their own Preamps
Good luck buying the license for Dirac, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X and AUTO-3D 😀
@@Youthman lol yeah you're right
wait...I saw inputs for Xbox Series X and PS5 👀. You got an inside scoop or you just being prophetic? 🤔🤣
I have my PS5 on preorder. I do not need an Xbox but thought it was relevant for the video. 👍
@@Youthman nice! I agree re: PS5 vs XBOX. I was gonna by PS5 til my son said he is saving his money to buy one. So, that's more money for my HTP-1 savings!!! Thanks for the review, I'm surprised more people haven't reviewed it. I've been waiting for a long time to see a review of it and if I had to chose anyone to review it would be you.
Thank you for the kind words Hampton. Glad you enjoyed the review. It took them quite a while to get me one but I’m grateful that I was able to experience it
Good review overall. You start this video by saying Monolith has been making affordable stuff... I dont see how their stuff is any more affordable than competitions like Emotiva, Outlaw or SVS. Those brands have similar offerings at same or lower price that performs as good or better in most cases. Not to mention, those brands also have long heritage and reputation of making audio equipments that Monoprice lacks. Monolith is also known to suffer from QC issues and they have subpar customer service. I just cant see myself ever going for Monolith brand. Just my opinion.
Nothing wrong with sharing your opinion. Outlaw doesn’t have Dirac or all of the immersive formats. Last time I checked their current processor is very outdated.
The only processor that is competitive in price is Emotiva and they have been known to be quite buggy. So yes, I still stand by my assessment.
I'd take monoprice stuff over emotiva any day of the week. They make quality stuff, I'm pretty sure they get other big name companies to build their stuff for them. Like their amps are made by ati which makes the best amps you can buy.
@@seanlacroix the whole ATI builds Monolith is false. The Monolith parts come from China. It is designed and parted out in China. ATI is just the assembly facility, their is zero ATI design or components in Monolith. The the HTP-1 I do believe is a calibration of both ATI and Monolith. Now Outlaws top made Amps are actually ATI amps but branded Outlaw. It is a huge misconception about the whole ATI/ Monolith amps. If it were ATI it would be 3x the cost. Again look at Outlaws two top amps. They are ATI priced cause they are ATIs.
Monolith has been introducing pretty good equipment and relative bargains compared to other name brand equipment. Monolith won’t always be the best bang for buck but in some areas Monolith is putting out some impressive equipment for their asking price. They have some very impressive speakers that compete very well with much more expensive brands and their power amps are made by ATI and have similar specifications to comparable ATI amps at a significantly reduced cost. That’s just two examples of how Monolith offers great value with some specific products.
@@od40k77 Give is some specific product example where Monoprice made impressive speakers at significantly reduced price.
Affordable?
Considering even a Marantz pre/pro is not much cheaper I'd say so. You get a lot of quality and Dirac live is awesome.
Did you watch the video till the end? I’m guessing not
I’d buy $4000 worth of Bitcoin miners before I buy this, haha.
Good luck with that.
Affordable 😂😂😂😂some TH-cam’s don’t live in the real world
Tristan is correct. I’m not wealthy at all. But my wife and I choose to drive used vehicles, live debt free (other than the mortgage on our home), no credit cards, no loans and I started two home businesses.
You can either judge someone else’s life or you can make changes in your life to better your financial situation.
That’s “real world” advice.
4 grand still sounds expensive
No one ever said it was cheap. I just said it’s affordable meaning most people if they saved up the money could purchase this over time.
Youthman : no offense ! I have a different opinion on term affordability .
Not everyone is going to be able to purchase this. And maybe living in the United States causes me to have a different perspective because here, if someone wants something, there are so many opportunities just start your own business, earn extra income I’m going to yard sales and buying things cheap and selling them on eBay for profit. In other countries I realize that is not as easy to do.
$4,000 “affordable.” Yeesh...
Did you happen to watch the video yet?
I’m not saying this will meet everyone’s budget but anyone that is considering a 16 channel processor for their home theater, absolutely 1000%, $4000 is extremely affordable for that type of product.
Youthman Sorry, the title caught my eye, but the price dropped my jaw. It’s all relative. Thanks.
It’s all good
Youthman...I really don't know what your definition of AFFORDABLE is? $4000 for a processor isn't my idea of affordable, hell my whole 7.1 4K system including LG OLED, Panasonic UB9000 and Yamaha receiver and 7.1 speaker system cost less than 4 GRAND. Add onto the $4000 processor at least 2 amps and you're talking about something around EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS
AFFORDABLE MY ASS...Your explanation of AFFORDABLE is the definition of CLICK BAIT. I'll be avoiding your site.👎👎
Nothing Clickbait about it. If you are looking at a dedicated 16ch processor, $4,000 is ABSOLUTELY an affordable option considering the competition (Storm Aausio, Lyngdorf and Trinnov) will run you $12,000 up to $32,000.
I did not say it’s affordable for everyone. The context of the video is people that are considering a 16ch processor.
$4000.00 is not affordable,I cannot think anyone other that someone who receives AV Equipment at a lower price for inspection would think this.Over the years I have owned over a dozen receivers since Dolby Stereo Surround arrived long time ago,just to keep up with the changes in the AV home equipment.So you may see why any changes are not for me.No one I know has as good of a Home Audio Video system as mine.Thank you for all the information.
Well, he did say that for a 16 channel preprocessors market, this one is affordable. You are comparing your experience with receiver cost with preprocessors, you JUST CANNOT generalize everything.
It's "affordable" for a 16 channel processor, which he states that as the context multiple times. If this isn't in your budget, then pretty much no 16 channel system is going to. 16 channels is still pretty much cutting edge at the moment. If you don't need that, then you can buy less expensive equipment. If you do, then it's one of the most "affordable" options out there.
Yes, affordable if you are considering a 16 channel processor as most others are well above $4000
@@GingersKing Who would need a 16 channel propressors even Youthman uses 11 chainnelsPlus the fact is this propressor is not user friendly at all.Why would anyone buy a unit with that much going against it !
My room is medium sized (13’ x 19’ x 10’). Most dedicated hime theaters are larger than mine and could benefit from two additional Atmos channels (especially if they have more than two rows of seating and if they had 2 more subs than me (like for the rear of the room), there’s your 16 channels.