I have both pedals. While I really love what the Tonex brings to the party I won't be giving up my Iridium. I mostly like Marshall and Fender tones and with York Audio IR's I can get a wide range of tones out of the Iridium. The Tonex brings a lot of nice tones that the Iridium cannot deliver like Mesa Mark V cleans tones, which are awesome. Since I don't use a lot of other pedals I can have both on my board. What I like about your evaluation is that you are not on the hype train like almost every other video about the Tonex. It's a great pedal but it's not the end of the line. Thanks for keeping it real!
It sounded like the gain on the Iridium was set higher than the Tonex as I heard a lot more breakup on the Iridium. That would certainly give it more "sag" in its feel and sustain.
I’ve owned both. Sold my iridium. Did not like how it took my drive pedals. I’m mainly a fractal player now but wanted to try the toneX so I picked one up. I think the ToneX is pretty amazing for the price and it takes my drive pedals very well… way, way better than iridium. Going to keep the ToneX as a backup to my Fractal.
The Iridium is great if you just want those three amp tones, and it is smaller, but the ToneX sounds better to my ears and offers nearly limitless amp options. So that’s the one I will ultimately use most.
I really hate to do this to a fellow G.A.S.S'er but do check out a FM3 or FM9 Turbo. IT will change your life (for the better.) At the same time, it will drain your bank account (for the worse) but you will be smiling the whole time. I waited a year to get my FM9. The waitlist now is much shorter. It can do ALL the tones of all these individual pedal, do them better and more of them. Ultimately, it can be the cheapest modeler you ever bought if you look at it that way. They update all the time too so it's like getting a steady IV drip which I heard cures G.A.S. for most. Cheers!
Thoughts: I listened to the first couple of minutes while watching the video. Maaaaybe the Tonex was a little bit brighter, the Iririum had a little bit more body. Maybe. Then I switched browser tab and just listened to the long demo and there was NO way of telling when/if you switched pedal. Both sounded fine, with Bill sounding great as always. I'd need to get a feel for the feel and sounds availiable if I was choosing between these two, ie play the things myself :)
Sounds pretty darn similar to my ears. I'd be curious about the hi-gain tones in the Tonex, since the iridium isn't known for hi-gain tones. BTW, the Strymon Punch/Marshall is based on a classic non-master volume Plexi.
I'd get the ToneX to get all the amps that will become available. I don't need hyper-realisim..or Stereo input...I want all the tones I hear from players I respect...Andy Timmons, Dave Grissom, etc. Not to imitate them or sound like them...but because I really like their sound and tone. I'll still be me, and sound like me, but now I get to play with, essentially, high end rigs I would never, ever have a chance to experience. It's a democratizing unit that brings exclusive custom/luxury equipment to the masses..or 90+% of it..which is close enough for most. Best Regards and Best Wishes!
I think that the best (lets call it modelling) is the Fender Tonemaster. I use it with Ownhummer IR's and it is great for my use. but to be fair about your comparison, you compared a specific capture that some one did to the amp with the tones and volume set to a specific positions. it is not the Tonex pedal per say but as I said the specific capture of the amp in a specific setting position. and do not forget how much the IR is important to the sound and how much variable there are with the IR (mic/s, position etc).in the other hand the IR thing is also correct when talking about the Iridium. I don't really know about the "feel" you are getting from the pedals and how much it depends on the specific capture. and the last point is that almost no one will care or can guess which is which in a mix anyway. I found it funny that you didn't use the cab of the Deluxe on both (instead of the Marshall) though.
What’s funny there are probably Iridium captures on ToneX… I haven’t looked but the UAD pedals are there and tried them on the ToneX pedal and they sound great. So what I would like to see is a shootout, can the ToneX sound exactly like the Iridium?
I don’t care what covers you play, it’s just a cover and one amp will cover everything just fine. Most people at shows are too drunk or musically illiterate to notice anyway.
Very very good comparison job. That said, listening several times with eyes closed, I've always preferred the Tonex tone. By listening only, having under my fingers it's another story... both are killers btw. Than you!
I want MY rig without having to drag it around, So Tonex for me... Plus I get access to hundreds of fantastic IR's to inspire new pathways. It responds my drive pedals really well and the sound quality is just astonishing.
I hear the iridium as a wider sound field and the tonex as more focused. Don’t know why that would be but I definitely prefer the iridium. Definitely felt like the tonex was closer to DI sound then the iridium. Both sound great though
I bought the TONEX for the flexibility I need for playing in a covers band. The pedal is great but the software is average in terms of usability. I took a few weeks to really go through all the captures before swapping and overwriting the presets. There’s definitely more quantity than quality but there’s some awesome captures in there.
@@rejuvenator8966 Yes a stereo pedalboard needs two amps unless it's a stereo amp. iridium, ACS1 and the range of WA Amp modellers all have stereo inputs.
@@saltstream Ok I see. Still curious tho what stereo effects you run before the amp? Typical stereo effects would be verbs and delays, maybe some modulations, and I guess often people run those after the amp modeller
Great comparison!. I know there is a very significant difference in playing a tube amp I just can't put in in words. I know I feel it most in the attack response and at the tail end of each note. An amp modeler is such a necessity though and I love the flexibility of changing your amp tone for different songs. When I am watching other bands one thing I don't enjoy is when the sound doesnt change much. after the 20th song it all starts to get boring. So I need a modeler for gigs and even after all this, I still can't make up my mind. I think I like the Iridium because it's closer to Tube amp dinamics its much smaller. The Tonex though, can help me break out different amp tones. I may end up getting he flamma pedal ICab sim for cheap and call it a day
The three amp only kind of does it for me. I heard the matchless on the Tonex from another guys video. It sounds really good. I play a Saldano actually a real one.
Thanks for the review. I thought they both sounded fine - negligible difference. I was hoping to hear some factory presets on the Tonex. Still looking.
Not sure I agree that the "feel" of the Iridium is more "natural". I was never "convinced" by it. (meaning did I "feel" like I was playing into a tube amp; simply answer, no. used it about a year) Too soon in my journey with the Tonex to comment on its "feel". Great review BTW.
I own an Iridium. It's good ,but it doesn't "feel" like any of my vintage tube amps. It records great but every guitar requires tweaking the tones. With my vintage amps it takes about 30 seconds to sound stellar with any of the many types of guitars I have. The Iridium does NOT play well with most of my drive pedals. Better to dial in the dirt on it instead of using pedals. Digital pedals don't react like tube amps but they are still great tools. People will disagree with me but I trust my year and ears.
I currently have the Tonex, but I’ve owned the Irridium. I’d be interested whether you are using stock or downloaded presets for the Tonex? I find the Tonex to give the most pleasing guitar sounds I’ve ever heard from a pedal I’ve owned. The Tone Junkie purple plexi is a remarkable tone. Also, having 3 patches with led names on, is very helpful.
The Iridium wins for me by quite a stretch. It's incredible to have a classic amp the size of a pedal. It doesn't cost a lot and doesn't require maintenance. If I needed more amps I'd buy more Iridiums. Can't knock the ToneX but I wouldn't want one. Superb demo by the way, and beautiful playing.
I preferred the Tonex. The Iridium sounded like it a had a small amount of digital conversion distortion, like maybe in the input was a bit too hot. I heard none of that with the Tonex.
Of all my pedals...I sell the ones with infinite adjust-ability. Maybe it's me... but I find that I can never improve over the dedicated pedals. JAM Pedals is a standout in this field. I don't need 40 versions of a sound....I am only looking for one version.
Hi . I am using a Mesa Triple Crown . I purchased a Headrush prime to make things easier . The overdriven sounds are very good but clean really no comparison. I tried models clones IR everything . Purchased Fremen clones . Looking at the Revolt . Any suggestions ?
The Iridium just doesn't sound right. I don't know if it's how it is or just in this demo but the Tonex sounds so much more natural. A couple of times when hitting the first note with the Iridium it's putting out some really odd and unrealistic sounds.
iridium sounded more limiter-Squeezed low mids no headroom I mean, just listening to this TH-cam video and the tonex had the highs had more dynamic had more headroom so it's interesting that it wasn't the tonex that felt natural to play
This might be off topic but have you heard of the plug-in from sound stone? It’s basically an ebow in plugin form that give you the ability to play ebow sounds polyphonically. So essentially you could use a midi controller or other midi instruments for polyphonic ebow sounds!!!
Iridium tone wins to my ear. As a corollary, I'm curious if you have ever used modelling pedals or plugins to enhance your acoustic guitar tone? It's something I'm curious about trying myself but, not owning any modellers, I would like a more informed opinion before I spend money on a piece of kit.
Nice video, thanks. These 2 not having an FX loop is absolutely strange, to say the least. Enough a reason for me not getting one, and a lot more people. What were they thinking? :)
The problem with both of these is twofold. First, you have to add too much gain to try to get a decent clean sound. Secondly, you will not get a great cleanish sound to use for let’s say, country picking, using a tele or a Strat in the bridge position.
@@chordsoforion I won't disagree...but the discoloration is a huge factor in a "visual" medium. I don't expect that this slipped past you. You seem intelligent enough to recognize that. Not much is a coincidence nowadays.
Ah. I see. "Discoloration", i.e., black and white vs color. Check out the comments - you will see that there is a great variety of opinions as to which is "better". If you find yourself distracted, just close your eyes while listening.
Tonex sounds far better and is far more versatile. The Iridium isn’t even the best modeler in its format. The ACS1 beats the Iridium by far, and the ACS1 doesn’t come close to the Tonex even with just the matching three captures.
I just discovered your channel and it is truly amazing. I checked if you also give classes, but didn’t have any luck. If you ever create a Patreon or a course I’ll be glad to join!
I don't own either one, but from just listening to your examples, my ears gravitated to ToneX. If as you say it sounds like a recorded guitar, all mixed and mastered, I guess that's why I like the sound of it.
I think I remember reading that the Iridium uses an analog preamp circuit that then goes into the digital speaker emulation. That may be why you are getting more of the “feel” of an amp. I think you are dead on about the flexibility of the TONEX plus it has legit reverbs and a compressor built in. I currently have the TONEX but thinking of grabbing an Iridium to have in the mix as well. I’d love to see you do a video where you use both together. Set one to an AC30 and the other to a Fender Deluxe.
I like simple, and I don't want to menu dive. I've heard the iridium takes gain pedals very well, so thats what I'd go with. It seems like the Tonex is designed to present a ton of amps, and not exactly require gain pedals. But since I have overdrives and distortions I like, the Iridium would be my choice.
Thank You SO MUCH , you've saved me money and discovered a new medical condition. I thought the Tone X sounded better and was about to buy one, then I read your comment and have booked a hearing test at my local hospital. The doctors hadn't heard of the condition , Shit for Ears , but are excited at the thought of trying to find out what it is . It appears to have affected many people, including quite a few professional musicians you'd better let all of them know that they have this condition . Maybe they'll name it after you for discovering it ! Do you know if there is a cure ?
Loved your comparison. My 64 year old ears can't really tell the difference. However, I switched to an ampero in 2019, and haven't used an amp since. I play in a worship team, several ensembles, a classic rock band and do solo gigs. Last year I started using an hx stomp xl with the rock band because it offers a lot more features that I need for that band. The virtual amps and cabs provided on both units sound fantastic. The hx stomp does sound and feel a little better, but noone in the audience can tell any difference. So I won't be switching to either of the units you compared today, but I'm sold on the new state of the art.
did someone try to use it in a rig with a real amp ? Capturing for instance an overdrive pedal and put the ToneX between guitar and pream input of the real amp. Would this also work ?-... and does it sound good?
both sound the same. note that the iridium has been out for a while and the tonex is brand new. completely different systems but still sounds the same.
If used on a pedal board, and into an amp, would it best to put the tone x after effects such as delay etc (like the vid) or before? My gut instinct is that it would be first in the chain after my tuner.
Your playing is still awesome, man! But so far, I'm convinced that all guitar and amp emulators just make changes to the bass-middle-treble settings. But I will try to keep an open mind.
Not even close on the difference of the tech. Modelling, such as the Strymon, Axe FX, Helix and similar, uses a digital means to recreate an Amp's signature, and.or a signal chain, digitally. TOnex, Kemper, Quad Cortex use a 'capture' technology. Via using a series of tones, ran through the actual amp, they attempt to capture exactly how the amp sounds, and responds in SOME respects at it's current setting. Same for a signal chain. The BIG difference is, Capture/Profiling, captures a snapshot of the signal chain. Any use of gain, EQ after that, is at best a guess from the unit. For Modellers, tey attempt to react in those regards like the amp would.
hey bill, first of all thanks for your 'casual' informative videos! What you describe is exactly my observation (see also @musecrafter)! the toneX is very 'hifi' - but covers a wide tonal range - which relieves my back a lot :) I play mostly through a Mesa Rectifier preamp or a Mark IV clean channel - and there the Iridium is from the feel and tonal - even if something more Fender'isch - very close. greetings from Germany!
All I have to say is that the lighting in your new studio is incredible. You must be using a really good camera as well. I'm impressed.
I have both pedals. While I really love what the Tonex brings to the party I won't be giving up my Iridium. I mostly like Marshall and Fender tones and with York Audio IR's I can get a wide range of tones out of the Iridium. The Tonex brings a lot of nice tones that the Iridium cannot deliver like Mesa Mark V cleans tones, which are awesome. Since I don't use a lot of other pedals I can have both on my board. What I like about your evaluation is that you are not on the hype train like almost every other video about the Tonex. It's a great pedal but it's not the end of the line. Thanks for keeping it real!
I felt with your obscure style of playing, ..no difference
The Iridium has incredible rooms.
It sounded like the gain on the Iridium was set higher than the Tonex as I heard a lot more breakup on the Iridium. That would certainly give it more "sag" in its feel and sustain.
I’ve owned both. Sold my iridium. Did not like how it took my drive pedals. I’m mainly a fractal player now but wanted to try the toneX so I picked one up. I think the ToneX is pretty amazing for the price and it takes my drive pedals very well… way, way better than iridium. Going to keep the ToneX as a backup to my Fractal.
The Tonex sounds better to my ears.
I like the sound of both of them. The Iridium sounds a little gain-y-er, the Tonex sounds like you could stack more tracks of parts before mudding up.
The Iridium is great if you just want those three amp tones, and it is smaller, but the ToneX sounds better to my ears and offers nearly limitless amp options. So that’s the one I will ultimately use most.
Thanks for this. I've been using an Iridium for quite a while, but was starting to catch a case of GAS for the Tonex ecosystem. This cured me.
I really hate to do this to a fellow G.A.S.S'er but do check out a FM3 or FM9 Turbo. IT will change your life (for the better.) At the same time, it will drain your bank account (for the worse) but you will be smiling the whole time. I waited a year to get my FM9. The waitlist now is much shorter. It can do ALL the tones of all these individual pedal, do them better and more of them. Ultimately, it can be the cheapest modeler you ever bought if you look at it that way. They update all the time too so it's like getting a steady IV drip which I heard cures G.A.S. for most.
Cheers!
Thoughts:
I listened to the first couple of minutes while watching the video. Maaaaybe the Tonex was a little bit brighter, the Iririum had a little bit more body. Maybe. Then I switched browser tab and just listened to the long demo and there was NO way of telling when/if you switched pedal. Both sounded fine, with Bill sounding great as always.
I'd need to get a feel for the feel and sounds availiable if I was choosing between these two, ie play the things myself :)
Sounds pretty darn similar to my ears. I'd be curious about the hi-gain tones in the Tonex, since the iridium isn't known for hi-gain tones. BTW, the Strymon Punch/Marshall is based on a classic non-master volume Plexi.
I'd get the ToneX to get all the amps that will become available. I don't need hyper-realisim..or Stereo input...I want all the tones I hear from players I respect...Andy Timmons, Dave Grissom, etc. Not to imitate them or sound like them...but because I really like their sound and tone. I'll still be me, and sound like me, but now I get to play with, essentially, high end rigs I would never, ever have a chance to experience. It's a democratizing unit that brings exclusive custom/luxury equipment to the masses..or 90+% of it..which is close enough for most. Best Regards and Best Wishes!
I think that the best (lets call it modelling) is the Fender Tonemaster. I use it with Ownhummer IR's and it is great for my use. but to be fair about your comparison, you compared a specific capture that some one did to the amp with the tones and volume set to a specific positions. it is not the Tonex pedal per say but as I said the specific capture of the amp in a specific setting position. and do not forget how much the IR is important to the sound and how much variable there are with the IR (mic/s, position etc).in the other hand the IR thing is also correct when talking about the Iridium. I don't really know about the "feel" you are getting from the pedals and how much it depends on the specific capture.
and the last point is that almost no one will care or can guess which is which in a mix anyway.
I found it funny that you didn't use the cab of the Deluxe on both (instead of the Marshall) though.
This is just one sound from one amp, but with the tonex you can have sounds from a lot of different amps
What’s funny there are probably Iridium captures on ToneX… I haven’t looked but the UAD pedals are there and tried them on the ToneX pedal and they sound great.
So what I would like to see is a shootout, can the ToneX sound exactly like the Iridium?
I don’t care what covers you play, it’s just a cover and one amp will cover everything just fine. Most people at shows are too drunk or musically illiterate to notice anyway.
Very very good comparison job. That said, listening several times with eyes closed, I've always preferred the Tonex tone. By listening only, having under my fingers it's another story... both are killers btw. Than you!
I want MY rig without having to drag it around, So Tonex for me... Plus I get access to hundreds of fantastic IR's to inspire new pathways.
It responds my drive pedals really well and the sound quality is just astonishing.
I hear the iridium as a wider sound field and the tonex as more focused. Don’t know why that would be but I definitely prefer the iridium. Definitely felt like the tonex was closer to DI sound then the iridium. Both sound great though
Dude... you look just like me.
Tonex is a picture, iridium is a movie.
I bought the TONEX for the flexibility I need for playing in a covers band. The pedal is great but the software is average in terms of usability. I took a few weeks to really go through all the captures before swapping and overwriting the presets. There’s definitely more quantity than quality but there’s some awesome captures in there.
Exaclty, man.. We try a ton of caps and end up playing the same JCM forever.
Great video. The ToneX mono input is a deal breaker for me. I've always liked the Iridium but have moved to an ACS1 just to try something different.
Yes - the mono input is a disappointment to me also.
Why they do that? You think? Best Regards and Best Wishes!
Maybe it's just me but I don't understand why you would need stereo input? This is basically amp in a box. Do you use stereo input on your amp?
@@rejuvenator8966 Yes a stereo pedalboard needs two amps unless it's a stereo amp. iridium, ACS1 and the range of WA Amp modellers all have stereo inputs.
@@saltstream Ok I see. Still curious tho what stereo effects you run before the amp? Typical stereo effects would be verbs and delays, maybe some modulations, and I guess often people run those after the amp modeller
Wonder if you can capture models of the iridim's model in the toneX ? Should be possible.
Completely satisfied with my iridium. Couldn't see myself jumping ship anytime soon.
tonex has dumbles and 65 dlx
Great comparison!. I know there is a very significant difference in playing a tube amp I just can't put in in words. I know I feel it most in the attack response and at the tail end of each note. An amp modeler is such a necessity though and I love the flexibility of changing your amp tone for different songs. When I am watching other bands one thing I don't enjoy is when the sound doesnt change much. after the 20th song it all starts to get boring. So I need a modeler for gigs and even after all this, I still can't make up my mind. I think I like the Iridium because it's closer to Tube amp dinamics its much smaller. The Tonex though, can help me break out different amp tones. I may end up getting he flamma pedal ICab sim for cheap and call it a day
Boss ir 2 is small and suppose to be good
The three amp only kind of does it for me. I heard the matchless on the Tonex from another guys video. It sounds really good. I play a Saldano actually a real one.
Thanks for the review. I thought they both sounded fine - negligible difference. I was hoping to hear some factory presets on the Tonex. Still looking.
In all cases I picked the Tonex over the Iridium...Sound, feel, period. Classic example of subjectivity.
Not sure I agree that the "feel" of the Iridium is more "natural". I was never "convinced" by it. (meaning did I "feel" like I was playing into a tube amp; simply answer, no. used it about a year) Too soon in my journey with the Tonex to comment on its "feel". Great review BTW.
I own an Iridium. It's good ,but it doesn't "feel" like any of my vintage tube amps. It records great but every guitar requires tweaking the tones. With my vintage amps it takes about 30 seconds to sound stellar with any of the many types of guitars I have. The Iridium does NOT play well with most of my drive pedals. Better to dial in the dirt on it instead of using pedals. Digital pedals don't react like tube amps but they are still great tools. People will disagree with me but I trust my year and ears.
I currently have the Tonex, but I’ve owned the Irridium. I’d be interested whether you are using stock or downloaded presets for the Tonex? I find the Tonex to give the most pleasing guitar sounds I’ve ever heard from a pedal I’ve owned. The Tone Junkie purple plexi is a remarkable tone. Also, having 3 patches with led names on, is very helpful.
The Iridium wins for me by quite a stretch. It's incredible to have a classic amp the size of a pedal. It doesn't cost a lot and doesn't require maintenance. If I needed more amps I'd buy more Iridiums. Can't knock the ToneX but I wouldn't want one.
Superb demo by the way, and beautiful playing.
I preferred the Tonex. The Iridium sounded like it a had a small amount of digital conversion distortion, like maybe in the input was a bit too hot. I heard none of that with the Tonex.
tonex sounds more dynamic and less muffled, and judging from your pedal selections it seems your a Strymon fan?
We all are
Iridium for me! Strymon has been on fire with their pedals!
I had this video on while I was preparing dinner. Every time I looked at my phone because a tone had grabbed me, it was the Iridium.
How good are they for live gigs conected directly to the mixer? Do I need something more? I want to use it with my analog pedalboard live with no amp.
Now IK Amplitude ToneX is available via a plugin...They have a FREE version and two other versions for reasonable purchases.
Of all my pedals...I sell the ones with infinite adjust-ability. Maybe it's me... but I find that I can never improve over the dedicated pedals. JAM Pedals is a standout in this field. I don't need 40 versions of a sound....I am only looking for one version.
Iridium sounds harsh and digital compares to the tone x. There's something wrong in the high fréquences. Tone x seems more round, warm and natural.
Hi . I am using a Mesa Triple Crown . I purchased a Headrush prime to make things easier . The overdriven sounds are very good but clean really no comparison. I tried models clones IR everything . Purchased Fremen clones . Looking at the Revolt . Any suggestions ?
The Iridium just doesn't sound right. I don't know if it's how it is or just in this demo but the Tonex sounds so much more natural. A couple of times when hitting the first note with the Iridium it's putting out some really odd and unrealistic sounds.
iridium sounded more limiter-Squeezed low mids no headroom I mean, just listening to this TH-cam video and the tonex had the highs had more dynamic had more headroom so it's interesting that it wasn't the tonex that felt natural to play
This might be off topic but have you heard of the plug-in from sound stone? It’s basically an ebow in plugin form that give you the ability to play ebow sounds polyphonically. So essentially you could use a midi controller or other midi instruments for polyphonic ebow sounds!!!
I will take a look at it. Thanks for the tip!
@@chordsoforion it’s called sound stone kontakt. I think the plug in comes with the product.
I prefered the Iridium, both sounded good but the Iridium sounded more alive to me.
Iridium tone wins to my ear. As a corollary, I'm curious if you have ever used modelling pedals or plugins to enhance your acoustic guitar tone? It's something I'm curious about trying myself but, not owning any modellers, I would like a more informed opinion before I spend money on a piece of kit.
Plot twist - the sounds were reverse labeled. We’re getting great sounds from so many gadgets these days!
Do either accept stereo inputs? Thanks for the comparison.
Iridium does
Agree strymon feels more realistic
Gray for Tonex , Color for Iridium
Yeah that was a poor choice. If anyone was watching there is automatic bias to prefer the color sounds vs B&W. Built in bias.
Nice video, thanks. These 2 not having an FX loop is absolutely strange, to say the least. Enough a reason for me not getting one, and a lot more people. What were they thinking? :)
Agree. I have the two notes because of the loop
it's a preamp pedal.
@@MrMarcburger No it is not. It s an AMP emulator
To ex sounds better for my ears
Please demo the McRocklin DSP Suite plugin.
Not familiar with it. I will check it out
Iridium 🎉is more organic!
The problem with both of these is twofold. First, you have to add too much gain to try to get a decent clean sound. Secondly, you will not get a great cleanish sound to use for let’s say, country picking, using a tele or a Strat in the bridge position.
Iridium sounds fuller to me.
Hey very informative video, thanks! Sounds like I'm Iridium guy cause I'm looking for those classic tones.
I would imagine the biggest difference here is the IRs, not that there is much of one that I can tell.
Yes. Comparison using the same exact IRs would have been best.
I wonder if the video discoloration was on purpose?
Yes!
@@chordsoforion What was the intent? It surely has a bearing on viewers perceptions.
The intent was to distinguish between the Iridium and the ToneX. Nothing more.
@@chordsoforion I won't disagree...but the discoloration is a huge factor in a "visual" medium. I don't expect that this slipped past you. You seem intelligent enough to recognize that. Not much is a coincidence nowadays.
Ah. I see. "Discoloration", i.e., black and white vs color. Check out the comments - you will see that there is a great variety of opinions as to which is "better". If you find yourself distracted, just close your eyes while listening.
TONEX WINNER
Ampworx
toneX wins
Sounds like strymon sponsored this video
Your color vs monochrome edit gave your opinion away. Theres nothing subliminal abouy that, lol. #IKMultimedia
5 mouths later, i prefer strymon🤨
I just dont get it why the tonex only features mono in, hillarious
And I tried the amp word also. Terrible
Tonex sounds far better and is far more versatile. The Iridium isn’t even the best modeler in its format. The ACS1 beats the Iridium by far, and the ACS1 doesn’t come close to the Tonex even with just the matching three captures.
I just discovered your channel and it is truly amazing. I checked if you also give classes, but didn’t have any luck. If you ever create a Patreon or a course I’ll be glad to join!
Tonex is to tinny to me, Iridium is my choice
Silly that ToneX made something that big and it’s not stereo…
I don't own either one, but from just listening to your examples, my ears gravitated to ToneX. If as you say it sounds like a recorded guitar, all mixed and mastered, I guess that's why I like the sound of it.
What greenback IR did you specifically use?
Is that the stock IR from iridium?
It sounds amazing!!!
I’m running stereo, tonex on the right, iridium on the left.
I tend to feel that the tonex feels better.
I think I remember reading that the Iridium uses an analog preamp circuit that then goes into the digital speaker emulation. That may be why you are getting more of the “feel” of an amp. I think you are dead on about the flexibility of the TONEX plus it has legit reverbs and a compressor built in. I currently have the TONEX but thinking of grabbing an Iridium to have in the mix as well. I’d love to see you do a video where you use both together. Set one to an AC30 and the other to a Fender Deluxe.
I like simple, and I don't want to menu dive. I've heard the iridium takes gain pedals very well, so thats what I'd go with. It seems like the Tonex is designed to present a ton of amps, and not exactly require gain pedals. But since I have overdrives and distortions I like, the Iridium would be my choice.
Iridium sounds better to me. Crisper and clearer, lusher if you will.
Oh, so now I have to know what I'm talking about...
The iridium ... it's not even close... it's the dynamics and touch sensitivity... people that say the tone x sounds better have shit for ears
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I thought the Tone X sounded better and was about to buy one, then I read your comment and have booked a hearing test at my local hospital.
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Loved your comparison. My 64 year old ears can't really tell the difference. However, I switched to an ampero in 2019, and haven't used an amp since. I play in a worship team, several ensembles, a classic rock band and do solo gigs. Last year I started using an hx stomp xl with the rock band because it offers a lot more features that I need for that band. The virtual amps and cabs provided on both units sound fantastic. The hx stomp does sound and feel a little better, but noone in the audience can tell any difference.
So I won't be switching to either of the units you compared today, but I'm sold on the new state of the art.
really hear no difference, which tells me the algorithm is correct in both. Proves modeling does work well.
I like the Strymon Iridium. It sounds richer or more full.
did someone try to use it in a rig with a real amp ? Capturing for instance an overdrive pedal and put the ToneX between guitar and pream input of the real amp. Would this also work ?-... and does it sound good?
Just to clarify, the iridium impulse manager software lets you download 3rd party IRs so you are not limited to the stock amps & cab sims
both sound the same. note that the iridium has been out for a while and the tonex is brand new. completely different systems but still sounds the same.
The Iridium is a far more elegant design
HI Bill -- have you given the Boss IR 200 a try yet? If so, I was wondering what your take is on that one.
i woluld like to see a comparison between iridium and two notes opus
It’s not even close. If you like real amps, get the ToneX
tonex sounds better but all that no gain stuff sounds the same
Great comparison, thanks.
The Iridium sounds wrong
If used on a pedal board, and into an amp, would it best to put the tone x after effects such as delay etc (like the vid) or before? My gut instinct is that it would be first in the chain after my tuner.
treat it like a preamp. drives, comp, wah, fuzz before. mod, delay, reverb after.
Your playing is still awesome, man! But so far, I'm convinced that all guitar and amp emulators just make changes to the bass-middle-treble settings. But I will try to keep an open mind.
Not even close on the difference of the tech. Modelling, such as the Strymon, Axe FX, Helix and similar, uses a digital means to recreate an Amp's signature, and.or a signal chain, digitally. TOnex, Kemper, Quad Cortex use a 'capture' technology. Via using a series of tones, ran through the actual amp, they attempt to capture exactly how the amp sounds, and responds in SOME respects at it's current setting. Same for a signal chain. The BIG difference is, Capture/Profiling, captures a snapshot of the signal chain. Any use of gain, EQ after that, is at best a guess from the unit. For Modellers, tey attempt to react in those regards like the amp would.
So which one is better?
hey bill, first of all thanks for your 'casual' informative videos!
What you describe is exactly my observation (see also @musecrafter)! the toneX is very 'hifi' - but covers a wide tonal range - which relieves my back a lot :) I play mostly through a Mesa Rectifier preamp or a Mark IV clean channel - and there the Iridium is from the feel and tonal - even if something more Fender'isch - very close. greetings from Germany!
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Why?