My definition of a party game: A game typically involving more than 2 players played in a casual environment meant to be played just for fun. They all have a degree of randomness to them. Some examples: - Mario Party - Bomberman - Smash Bros (more than two players with items and stage hazards on)
Couldn't agree more. This game is absolutely fantastic and also competitive. The what-ifs are definitely the best parts of the story mode as I'm extremely familiar with Dragon Ball as a whole, so the story mode didn't bother be too much. It's like you said; it allows me to get to the interesting parts more quickly. I'm currently B4 with #18 (with kienzan skill), Scouter Vegeta, third slot tends to be a rotating character but it usually is Baby or Caulifla and last is Mr. Satan. I'm really happy with Scouter Vegeta. Nobody expects the big monkey and doesn't know what to do, and I'm only getting better with the giants. Baby has the monkey too but it's not as easy to enter. Scouter Vegeta can just become monkey but Baby has to transform twice before. #18 is one of my favourites from the show and her constant refilling energy means I can always be aggressive plus her kienzan is unblockable. Satan is just there fill a slot and as a health bank/tag out but I've gotten better at him too. I just love this game. Been playing so much that I'm barely play Tekken despite there's a battle pass that I could complete.
I main Hit & Vegito, and also a 3 man team of Sword Trunks, 17 & Videl, I love this game, and I too am close to the A Ranks with my teams. However, I might lean more towards single battles instead of DP matches due to the many exploits people have discovered, I just won’t deal with that.
A party game to me is something like a wwe2k game, where you can brawl with multiple players at the same time. I remember having hell in a cell matches with 4 of us in the same room. It was pure chaos and fun. With regards to sparking zero I've never played an arena fighter, and I am having so much fun with this game. I suck right now, but I've never rage quit 😂😂.
When people think competitive in a sense of todays games they mean. It having offical tournaments, prizing, and routine patches and changes. They would prefer it stay as is like how fighting use to drop before the scene expanded. Patches and changes to characters is someone that takes a lot off casuals out of games. I took the time to learn this specifically, now it fuctions diffetent or just doesnt work. It also turns a game into a chore.
I think patching things that are deliberately overpowered or underpowered is fine and I think have competitions is healthy, but it doesn't need to follow the conventional model of the FGC.
This game is a lot of fun and if you’re a DB fan, then you can see that this was made with a lot of love for the franchise. The animations are incredible. It does have its flaws like every game but overall it’s a good time. The what-ifs are cool and I like how you could actually use in game currency earned from just playing the game to buy characters. Of course there’s dlc, but you don’t immediately have to break out the cash to pay for Zeni or characters with your own money.
So I just got to Z rank (in singles) on stream a few hours ago, and man. The game can be fun, but there are some mechanics I really, REALLY don't like. The biggest one by far is super counters. There is not a single thing about that mechanic that I can say is well designed. It's a completely random X factor that determines entire games, costs nothing, and can be spammed. Almost every match I had, every single one of my combos got super countered at some point in them. The other thing I really don't like is how much they buffed sparking mode from the original. You can infinitely spam ki blasts in it while also being immune to enemy ki blasts and use a super in it while still maintaining it (meaning you can do a super and STILL have enough time to do an ultimate). Plus moves that put you in spark shouldn't have a knockback wave. And of course, the unblockable ults are just obnoxious. Then there's cheaters just rage quitting their way up the ranks, which is a whole other can of worms. Like I said, it can be fun, but the higher ranks are literally nothing but cheesers and rage quitters and it kind of ruined my experience. More than likely never going to play ranked again.
Oh and of course, afterimage strike needs to be nerfed into the ground. You also shouldn't have a faster skill gauge charge rate for losing lmao that's actually so stupid
@@SoapyBowlTotally agree but I think afterimage strike should be balanced around the weaker character’s primarily cause I have 0 idea why vegito has that skill. It should cost him like 4 points at the very least
Super counters are fine, true combos are not fun to be on the receiving end of, and more defensive mechanics makes for a more competitive environment. There should be a penalty for the rage-quitters though. Fuck them.
Gameplaywise, it's basically Tenkaichi 4, so it's everything I ever wanted. I think vanish should cost more ki though. Like a full bar of ki. Keeping the window lenient gives you a reason to use it over super counter but there should be a price for that leniency.
Brother once you get good at super counters, that shit is also free, defense I feel needs a little tweaking. Defense is so good a gogeta will have a hard time not getting stalled out by a (key word ->) good yajirobi.
@@ColonCommander Super counter should cost a skill point to use. The timing is super tight, so it isn't as free as vanish. Especially in an online match. The fact that you can get lucky and mash out of somebody's combo for free is a little silly, though.
My biggest criticism of the game at the moment is that at c - b ranks, every match seems to be - someone gets back shots, the defender super counters, that turns into a vanish counter off. Everything reverts back to a vanish off. I think maybe super counters shouldn't be vanish / z-counterable, and maybe make them a bit harder to do? Maybe something like killer instincts combo breaker where you only get one chance per combo or something.
I think this game is fun but I think it’s missing sum qol features that would make it better like more training settings and saving your settings. Or as you talked about the vanishing battles😂 I also think perception needs a cost increase ngl yea you can throw or step around them but I still think it’s pretty brain dead regardless, cross play would help also ps5 matchmaking takes longer then most games
The people saying party game are just sf/tekken/frame data nerds being mad Eat this big bang attack im buying this tonight, your word is good enough for me
If this game carries on in its current direction, it will die off very fast, with the rage quitters, the disappointment of local multiplayer, the lack of offline content, repetitive gameplay, and no crossplay in 2024 is CRAZY I’ve already seen a lot of people on Reddit saying they wish they never bought the game and that’s it’s only worth £40 at most for the amount of content it offers, and they’re still playing it now because they just invested money into it and it’s still new, but man once they inevitably call it a day for this game, it is gonna tank hard
I think from a competitive standpoint the game is just like every other fighting game, single battle consists of literally SS4 Gogeta, UI Goku, Full power jiren, Gogeta blue and now Super Vegito afterimage spammers. The game is very easy to pick up as intended but from a competitive perspective I think the game should have slightly more balancing to create a higher skill gap
@@ForeverPolo__ I wouldn't say they had to remove it but maybe reduce it to 10 seconds. It just feels like a lot to get physical immunity for 15 seconds with no activation animation.
So, I like to think I came up with this fast enough that if put on the spot I might have been able to answer, but I would have needed a moment to think about it. Regardless, the answer I come up with was, "Games that are fighting game adjacent that feature competitive gameplay but do not hold high level competitive play as a focus of the game's design." By "adjacent" I mean "they are fighting games, but the kind that are distinct from "real" fighting games," so I realize now that term is redundant here, I only use it because it was used in another video, I think the Diaphone one about whether or not this game is tournament viable. It was used in reference to, IIRC, a Core A Gaming video about that topic. All of which is to say, this isn't a new conversation, just the latest iteration of it. The question boils down to, "how seriously should we take this games competitive scene?" Highly subjective, but NOT entirely subjective. In the case of Sparking Zero, I think it's unreasonable to completely dismiss it, but also silly to take it too seriously. Frankly, I think that even people that claim Smash isn't a fighting game need their heads checked, but the description of party game suits that game better at least. It's designed with the items, number of players, and stages to act as RNG components of the game. Competition being about who are the most consistent, best players, means that the core design of Smash is antithetical to competitive play... yet it still works, because the game is that good. The competitive has to strip a lot of the games for elements to make it work though: not items, few stages, and either 1v1 or 2v2 team battle with friendly fire on (to reduce the possibility of a person getting randomly team juggled to death, makes it more impressive when it does occur because it requires precise spacing). Like it or not, Smash is part of the FGC and is many people's entry into the genre/ tournaments in general. None of those elements are present in Sparking Zero. All you do is fight. Claiming this isn't a fighting game is weird and cringe, say what you are trying to say better, and while you are at it do it in a way that isn't transparently trying to de- legitimize the game. All you are doing is making your own opinion seem Illegitimate and ridiculous, y'all look like clowns and you make the whole FGC look bad, stop it. You can say that character balance and competitive viability are not priorities for the designers, and that's fine, it's something we can all agree on, since that's literally based on the devs statements. But in case you haven't noticed, the game is HARD. Defense is hard, combos actually can be kinda tight in some situations, and the mechanics are actually really well balanced to give combat a nice flow that leaves you feeling like you've still got a chance. And Mike already went into depth as to why the character balance argument is worthless, shoot he didn't even mention Smash and the Bayonetta evo incident, or how reminiscent that situation is of current Dragunov. Now, with all of that said: I don't think this game is tournament viable, and not for any reason I've heard from anybody else. I think it's not viable from the T.O. side. Imagine, if you would, a SZ tournament: what's the format? Do we play on single consoles and only play time chamber? That's kinda lame, and will get old, but the bigger problem is that it throws the standard rules for team building out the window. Do we play one character? 3? Do we calculate points to make it the same as online? On top of all that, split screen makes the game strange to play, there are some moments where it's hard to see because of the limited screen space. Plus, abilities like solar flare are a lot less useful when you can just look at the other screen. So HTC presents a lot of problems, which means ideally the tournament would be run online. This means, inherently, that you have half as many setups, and that all of them have to be connected to strong internet. Its a T.O.'s worst nightmare, I imagine. THAT'S why I don't think we'll see a tournament scene for this game pop off, not because the game isn't good enough or whatever, all of that could be patched. But the issues I listed have no real solutions, even if they made an offline mode that was robust, playing the game split screen is gonna mess with people.
@@NarcoticDimension I hate comments like this, just don't read it and move on. I'm perfectly aware and acknowledge that I make long posts, but you are wrong, people frequently surprise me with how much they are willing to read and respond to. I'm even frequently thanked for being willing to make long, thought out posts. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it, but don't waste people's time with this, it's weird to try and normalize having the shortest attention span possible.
@@GS_CCC for reference the standard edition costs the equivalent of 408.34 brl and min wage is roughly 13,592.26brl a month (calculated as 160 hours a month) in the uk so 3% of minimum wage per month in the uk for you it is 20% of minimum wage so it is roughly 6.5x the relative cost
I plan to get the game but not before those OG Tombraiders or not before Marvel vs Capcom collection of games . Tekken 8 is like Tombraider to me I've always been impressed with 3D graphics
Personally I just play casuals. It's hard to find matches on Xbox so I'm playing with friends online. My mains are Vegito, DBS Broly and Jiren. This game literally has so much content as well, I love that you can do so much with the episode battles, custom, what ifs and online
Hopefully this game is supported for a long time cause i wont be able to get it any time soon, but theres one thing im curious about, what is the music like? More specifically is the ssj3 soundtrack in it
I initially I thought the games music was mid but you can unlock tracks and they're really good. I just don't like how they're not tied to stages and you have to keep selecting them.
As a new player this was probably the easiest game to rank up in if you use Vegito, some afterimage strike character, and broly 😅. I had to stop playing them since I really wanted to play with some other characters and my rank did not reflect my skill level.
every time my opponent quit, i always text them asking why they rage quit and if the fusions are the rage quitters, i talk shit to them😂😂. mind you, i main Tapion, Bergamo and Bardock.
As a preface, I am saying this as an OG player: First off, the DBZ arena fighters are party games. Balance is very much a non factor. That's not to say it's bad/good. That's just a fact. Having said that, yes - literally anything can be competitive. However, you are missing the point, which is just because something CAN be competitive doesn't mean it SHOULD be. If memory serves me correctly, the creator of Smash flat out said the franchise wasn't meant to be competitive. Obviously, people did their own thing. Is it entertaining? Yes. Is it still goofy to take it seriously due to the intentional lack of balance? Also yes. Lastly, the changes you are asking for near the end in regards to things being overpowered/underpowered are what WOULD start to make the game ACTUALLY geared towards being (properly) competitive. This is what people want to avoid. The BT/Sparking games of DBZ are the "Smash" games of the franchise. They are not meant to be taken seriously and that's ok. Yes - some folks are still going to want to turn it into a super serious competition, and that's also ok. However, don't act surprised when people call it goofy to do so.
I don't think the creators of SF2 intended for it and the sequels they would go on to make for it to be competitive. But it ended up being the case, and people love it. Developer intent doesn't mean shit. If people want to make something competitive, they'll do so, and if enough people do so, a scene will grow around it. I also don't wanna here shit about balance. Just look at Marvel to see why that's a stupid argument.
If the overwhelming majority of the scene want tournaments for it (away from the FGC) then it's competitive. If the overwhelming majority of the scene are referring to it as a fighting game as well as legacy players, then it's a fighting game. Poor balance does not mean the game isn't competitive or that it's a party game cos if that's the case then Marvel Vs Capcom is a party game lol. The changes I am asking for is for the sake of fun. There are characters like Jiren in this game that are monstrous and nobody's calling for his nerf despite his overwhelming power. The nerf to Yajirobe is because it's a painful experience and it's not fun. I'm not surprised when people call it goofy. I expected it. I'm just here to argue back against it. I'm happy to entertain the conversations because I find the talking points interesting and a lot of the time, if I'm being honestly, very goofy.
@@RealMikeHollow In regards to your first bit, I am not saying this isn't a fighting game or able to be played competitively. For those that are saying that, I THINK they are choosing the wrong words and mean to say something akin to my original statement here. Needless to say, you would have to ask them. Aside from that, yes - MvC is a party game assuming it's balance is also intentionally absurd. I'm not sure what pointing to something else like that was supposed disprove anything I've said. In regards to your middle portion, while I can't argue against "fun" due to the subjective nature of it, I will argue that what you are asking for is more for the sake of balance rather than said fun (unless they go hand in hand for you of course). Balance is not what people want here in the party fighting game. Lastly, I would strongly urge you to look OUTSIDE the competitive scene and personal audience due to your use of "overwhelming majority" that implies most people want this to be regularly patched, buffed, nerfed, etc. as with more inherently serious fighting games. Most people do not want this. On the contrary, most people are looking at the discussion surrounding this trying to figure out what this "overwhelming majority" is smoking.
@@darkchaozbringer785 MvC is competitive and has shit balance they aren't mutually exclusive, that was the point in bringing it up. The game is a fighting game not a party game and the balance is ass.
Sparking is kinda balanced on the low. I'm not that deep into it to be fair but I've seen too many instances of yajirobes beating SSJ4 Gogetas on these innanets. Best believe we gonna one and done out here same way though
Bruv, im on steamdeck and apparently i cant play online unless its against another linux user. every match i try to play gives me a connection error. im very sad
minimizing sensu i agree but both that and health is too much if that’s the case then buff one or both blast 2 super to do at least 10,000 or close to it as possible
People who probably aren't that good at the game say they can't do anything against giants dashing at them. Is Revenge Counter or Super Perception a legit answer to that problem? They think there's LITERALLY nothing to do about it and you just have to die to it.
@@RealMikeHollow Okay, yeah. I thought so. I was in some dude's comments and he's saying there's nothing you can do about it. I don't think there's ever a case where you're literally trapped and have to hold it until you die.
@@mikeestill1672 Giants in BT3 are all bad, save for Hirudegarn I think being mid, and Baby Ape being above average just because his strings are faster than the average giant.
@RealMikeHollow but time skip is just instant transmission. Trust me I love hit just as much as the next but I can't justify spending 8 dp on him. I would love somebody to prove me wrong though
Not hating on this game and glad its doing well. Thought about maybe buying it but decided to watch some streamers first and im already checked out unfortunately lol.personal preference ofcourse but the game is just to same-ish from a spectating perspective,mix that with so many copy paste animation sequences and its just a recipe to put me to sleep. Was more entertained with afrosenju commentary while playing than the actual game. I hope this game stands the test of time,more options are always positive for content.
In my eyes, Sparking Zero is a single-player game. I think its VERY clear that it wasn't the devs intention to make the game competitive. I tried watching a tournament the other day and it was just so boring to me. The game just doesn't work competitively in my honest opinion.
Even if you don't think it's a competitive game, how can you see it as a single player game when in order to play it beyond story mode you need to play with people? At the very least you'd see it as a non-competitive multiplayer game, no?
DB Sparking Zero is semi-competive game, because it’s not just a single player game but a fighting game, a fighting animé arena fighting game. it will have competive espects, with rank online as other fighing games. It’s not my opinion it’s a fact. When I go in online rank in Sparking zero I’m there to win and have fun at same time but I’m there to win the objective. if I’m losing the match I’m not gonna make it easy because I’m going to try turn it around to secure my Win. Just like in MK 1, SF6, and Tekken8. I don’t like losing in any fighting game, which it’s gonna be competive. I don’t think nobody does. it’s human nature, lol. We aré competitive by nature. Some might not care , or some less but let’s speak the truth between us, we like winning, lol. It’s all fun and games when we winning.
@RealMikeHollow Yea if I was typing a longer comment I would say something like that. Playing it casually with friends is super cool. I do it sometimes with my roommates, but typically, I beat story mode in video-games and move on.
@@ZolPsyko I’m a Dragon ball fan all my life since little, that owned most of the DB games and personally not me, as a big fan after I finish the story arcs in DB Sparking Zero I will continue playing the game for years, because it’s very good and they did us a big fan service with the roster. Well I’m not a Kasual, I’m not a pro player neither so I’m gonna say I’m just a regular DB fan and player of its game. Like with Mortal Kombat I’m a big fan and I stay playing it’s game, sometimes take a break but I never fully leave it. Also I can see your just a Kasual player that just plays a game than leaves it for another game because gets bored fast and that don’t play competitively but just smash bottoms for fun playing than move to the next, so it’s normal for you to find it boring. But as someone that plays fighting games all my life and enjoys a good competitive fight, Sparking zero is competitive enough for me to have fun and enjoy my journey ranking up. It’s as competitive as MK 1.
I’m trying to love this game… it’s so close to being great, but single players not grabbing me too much. I wanna play rank and that experience is full of one and done/ rage quit/ weird glitches. Idk… I need to play more but rn I need something to hook me, hook me. I’m happy I have a friend who has it (on the same platform cause no cross play) who can run casuals and breaths life into the game. If I didn’t have my boi then I’d probably put this down and just go back to SF.
I think it's just as silly to be upset that people are competitive in this game as it is to think the game is a "party game" just because it doesn't fit the FGC norm. Just have fun, however you have it.
Because I was talking about my experience. This video wasn't covering the various glitches and short comings of the game. I said that I didn't cover everything in this video.
That's not true at all. You can escape basically every situation including having your back turned. As long as you can time the counter, you'll escape and reset the neutral.
It's a dragon ball game one of the best I might add and I'm going to be honest Tekken online is not as fun. Mortal Kombat is abysmal we ain't even going to go there.
I got to mention there's sweats in every fighting game but the tryhards in dragon Ball make me feel young bro it makes me feel like I'm hanging out with my homies running the mits. My old group of friends got the game at the same time we've been running sets since we got the game. Like a blast from the past.
So people are some wanna get better ??? That’s insane this my first dbz since p2 ,I learn fast not my fault plus I like doin advanced shit I’m not a try hard just good.. I’m saying the politics nowadays are ridiculous
You never been a little kid and played Tekken 3 for hours at a friend's house during a birthday? Never went to an LAN party to play Halo? Being family friendly can be a bonus but let's not pretend that we didn't play Mortal Kombat, GTA or Gears of War 1 vs 1 at sleepovers. I'm not saying that these games don't have depth, but that they benefit a lot from being easy to drop into especially if they have local multiplayer. More players the better and the natural conclusion is turn based games where less controllers are needed (some Wii Sports) or just high counts like FIFA or whatever it is called now.
OK, I really try not to comment on most of your videos because I understand most of the stuff is just an opinion, but when it comes to the fighting game logic here I genuinely believe you’re playing devils advocate and purposely being ignorant to the definition of what a party game is. This would technically be classified a party game because it doesn’t follow traditional values of what the actual fighting game plays. Most fighting games don’t let you use assistance so casually. And if they do, there’s usually a punishment or cool down section so that way you can’t just abuse, switching characters because you refused to lose the match. There are certain ones that are classified team fighting games like your Marvel versus Capcom Dragon Ball fighters and so on so forth But the way you call in these characters in this game is more like if you were calling in one of your Homies tag you went like it was a WWE game. It’s the way that the execution is not because of how you feel about the game the same log it can be used with smash Bros or smash and other platform fighting games are viewed as party games because you can play multiple people on one screen and there may be some kind of item involved but in reality, you don’t have to play with the items you can turn them off and it gives you an option to actually play the core mechanics of the game instead of having an extra interferences which is why the smash community is adamant on saying it is a genuine fighting game. The games are balanced, and they make sense based off the characters and what their attributes are a game like Dragon Ball, Budakai, and or sparking zero doesn’t follow that at all it’s all based off of whatever the comic manga was and the anime series not based off of your number is a mathematics that would allow somebody to accurately come up with combos to fight their opponent. It’s a button mass get online with your friends and have all the fun in the world reminiscing over Dragon Ball that’s the point of this game. Not to be looked at like the next big Evo challenge or something that’s gonna be at whatever major gaming event that’s coming up in the years. Personally, I believe a lot of you are so unsatisfied in your gaming experience that you honestly don’t know what you want from a game you see something you think you like it and then it’s not exactly what you want and then you either justify it and somebody to make it work for you or you complain about it so far this year that’s literally been the gist of every fighting game that’s come out in someway shape or form and honestly not even just fighting games all games. The majority of you people don’t understand what you want for entertainment. You just want to be entertained. a lot to say, but sometimes you can’t hold back what needs to be said. You’re better than that Mike
It would not technically be classed as a party game and it's not registered under that genre anywhere you look. It is just people that have played TRADITIONAL fighting games that are classing it as such. As someone that has grown up playing both sides consistently, this is 100% a fighting game, just not a traditional one. Firstly, there is a cool down system in this game when you switch characters which is highlighted next to your health bar in a small yellow icon. The cool down is actually greater than that of the Marvel vs Capcom series which is regarded as a traditional fighting game. The fact that you chose that as a talking point whilst acknowledging that it is something that happens in MvC is bizarre. How is it different here when the cool down is greater? I have to agree with the Smash community. Smash is a fighting game. A platform fighting game. It offers multiple modes of play but in tournament, it is stripped down to its core feature which is the fighting and that is why it was able to be at the biggest events for fighting games for many years and has sustained a big scene by following this format. To be clear, I've been playing the Tenkaichi (Sparking) series since they were released back in 2005 as well as playing the traditional fighting games. A lot of people commenting have barely played either, or are just watching Sparking from the outside, having never touched it. I can tell you that button mashing in this game will get you destroyed very quickly. If you don't believe me, borrow a copy from a friend, hop online and start mashing all the buttons you want and see how far it gets you. The fact that there are very few true combo routes in this game and that it relies on reads and mind games should tell you that simply slamming your face into the pad will get you parried and thrown around the stage. Respectfully, because I have played all kinds of fighting games from 2D to 3D to Arena, I can confidently say that not only is this a solid fighting game but I'd happily meet you online to prove how much of a button masher this is not. I'm sure your opinion will quickly change when you realise that you can't land a clean hit or go for a follow up without engaging with the many mechanics present.
@@RealMikeHollow I know you probably assume most of the people here are young, but I’m in my 30s Dawg), so I’ve been playing these games just as long as you if not longer. So I am speaking from experience when I speak my points here you’ve made it very clear in your points you understand some of the words that are being said, but it’s like you refuse to accept their definitions for what they are. For example, the word traditional means things that have been going on for either longer than a decade or a millennia, tradition. So people saying that this is not the traditional fighting game is literally all their meeting by that they’re not trying to say nothing special and nothing quirky. It’s simply stating the fact that this is not your traditional fighting game as many people for some reason try to claim it is. Also in regards to button mashing, I’m not saying, literally just going through your face with the controller as somebody who’s trying to learn the game if you’re just on playing with your friends and you could care less about what the move list is as most casual who play fighting games respond to him That’s literally what they’re acting are gonna be. They’re just gonna go on to start pressing buttons all over the place, unlike you myself and other people who actually take fighting games to a certain level of seriousness for what they are. We are the ones to sit down and take the time to learn these things. They aren’t as casual players so yes, the majority people would just be on here but matching not really thinking about what the combos are doing or anything of that nature about hard reads and trying to Perry and Dodge they just want the W. I’m glad you at least can relate on the smash tip because as somebody who has been a competitive player of smash Brothers for over 14 years that has been one of my biggest arguments against people in the FGC who would always try to dog the game, not being a real fighting game Cause as soon as I get to arguing about it, they’re the first ones to not want to get on the sticks and actually prove their point. And that same argument is what motivated me to pick up other fighting games overall and a competitive sense. Now to finish this part, this game may feel like a solid game to you with the mechanics. It needs to be a fruitful game, but clearly other people don’t feel like that, and you questioning them, trying to understand their logic by kinda down putting their logic doesn’t really help the conversation at hand. At the end of the day is simply boils down to people needing to take the time to learn what the game is asking and not just going balls to the wall because new game and we’re all excited to do something different all I’m saying is from what the discourse is and from my experience with the style of Dragon Ball games these games definitely fall under a more casualize party vibe style of fighting games and many people just simply aren’t satisfied with what they thought they were gonna get because they either don’t understand the franchise because they haven’t played it in so long or they were reading something and misunderstood what they were reading and got excited over jack shit nothing
@@shufflebot9000 Yeah and despite me NEVER referring to this as a "traditional fighter" and consistently referring to it as an "Arena Fighter" for some reason people keep acting like I am making out like this is a traditional fighter lol. Its puzzling. There is not a slither of footage nor is there a comment where I called Sparking Zero a traditional fighting game and if there is, I would like to be pointed to it. Ultimate Ninja Storm, Budokai, J-Stars, Demon Slayer... None of these are traditional fighting games but they are all still fighting games. It's not that I don't understand definitions, it's that people continue to make up things to further these discussions but I hope this has helped to dispell the notion that I ever referred to Sparking Zero as a traditional fighting game. So, wait, you acknowledge Smash as a legit fighting game but you don't Sparking Zero? Now I'm very confused lol. No, unfortunately you are mistaken. Majority of people do feel like this is a fruitful fighting game. It is a miniscule amount of people (mostly coming from the FGC) that don't. I only entertain the conversation because I find the mindset very bizarre, but just to be clear, the overwhelming majority of people recognize this as a legit fighting game. Not a traditional one, but a legit one. There are a high number of people in the FGC playing this game and its only a fraction of them (a very tiny one) that are dissatisfied and think its a party game. I will continue to question the logic because its very easy to pick apart, but it may be pointless considering the scope of this game and the fact that most people just don't agree with your mindset. That said, I do try to keep it respectful and I'm not speaking down to anyone, I'm just entertaining the argument. There's some really cool, big tournaments taking place for it now that are being run by the community and so if the community wants to take it down the competitive route and the numbers are there, nobody can really tell them anything... Much like the Smash scene.
@@RealMikeHollow so to the first section of that I unfortunately had to say they’ll never get it so we just gonna keep praying for em. I hope the good Lord and save their minds lol Into the second piece of this no I actually don’t share any mindset of sparking zero being a party game, I just happen to understand where that dumb argument is coming from about it being a party game, even though technically is not. I personally am the kind of person where if you can Perry combo on many levels, including touch of death combos Perry said combos have good counter options to evade strikes and have amazing movement options example melees option to wave dash, L cancel, moonwalk, haxdash as some examples that I think you got yourself a good concoction for an amazing time and some good competitive fighting. One game for example I enjoy playing a lot is called ninjala on the Nintendo switch and even though it plays, just like an arena fighter or kinda like how Fortnite would play the game is solely based around fighting has combos you can execute as different forms of weapons you can choose from as far as combat options go has somewhat of a balance system, and has really amazing solid movement options to help you tackle your opponent. And even though the game is mainly played with up to eight players or sometimes 12 you can play the game in a PVP manner and still have just as much fun as if you were playing with the group similar to the idea of smash being four players are up to eight players versus PVP. And in all, I want to see Dragon Ball sparkling zero succeeded as a game that can ride a wave smash Brothers melee did all these years later and I want it to be able to be on the same stage as street fighter and tekken when it comes to the tournament scene. But in order for that to happen, we definitely need to have people be more willing to learn the game and not try to use it for just I wanna have fun for five minutes and do nothing else right now. Those people with that kind of voice are screaming the loudest and that’s why everything‘s in shambles. Hopefully you genuinely understood where I was coming from. I don’t think I’m just trying to hold some random empty argument. That’s the one thing I hate when it comes to online discourse in general everybody has something to say, but ain’t nobody actually saying nothing.
No, you're being disingenuous as to the definition of the fighting game genre and pretending it only refers to a specific Subgenre. YOU don't know what you're talking about, and because of it, you think everyone else is talking about something they simply aren't.
And to add a further point. Everything you named off that you can do in sparking zero as far as hard reads and all that other stuff with perries and counter hits has been in every other traditional fighting game since fighting games have come out just about. From third strike to smash Brothers melee smash Brothers ultimate to Marvel versus Capcom to King of fighters to Mortal Kombat all the way down to games like guilty gear, school girls, blaze, blue, etc. I’ll give you the option to have a good comeback if you understand how to hard read your opponent and make the right decisions to not get hit or get stuck in a combo of yourself. That’s a really poor argument to use trying to defend this game from people saying it’s a party game. The reason why we’re saying it’s a party game again is because it gives you the opportunity to literally play with multiple people and multiple sessions that you don’t do in other fighting games these are the mechanics you usually see and party games like the ones you named off Mario party Mario kart bomber man even, I understand you wanted to defend this game to the high heavens but come on now just like how everybody wants to say smash Brothers is a party game technically Dragon Ball sparking zero is also a party game with options to be competitive if you understand what the rules that should be
Firstly, have you sat down and played this game? Whilst you can pick up and play with any character you do need to find your mains and see how things work with them or if you play someone competent, you're gonna lose. It really sounds like you're just echoing things you've heard online and you've never actually touched this game before. Your comment is even more indication of that because you missed my point. Yes, you can do all of those things in a traditional fighting game, but in this game there are very few true combo situations so in order to execute an effective gameplay, you cannot just press on your opponent or you'll die for it. In Tekken, if you get launched thats it. You have to watch what's going to happen and if it happens again, you're done. In Sparking thats not the case. I would highly encourage you to play something before commenting or at the very least understand the mechanics. There are no set rules of what a fighting game should be and its certainly not those set by traditional fighting games. We can see something and evaluate whether its a proper fighting game or not and I can confidently say this is and it does not sit in the realms of a party game.
@@RealMikeHollow and respond to this comment I’m not echoing anything I’ve seen online because I don’t follow the discorse on what people have to say I’m a grown ass adult that can formulate my own opinion based off the things that I’ve seen from the developers and the people who are actually actively on the game themselves. It would be nice if someone of your caliber wouldn’t be so cocky talking to people who are just simply trying to have a conversation. But I assume that’s just how you guys talk overseas in general and lastly is very bold of you to say there are no set rules of what fighting games should be when the past 30 years of fighting games almost all follow the same formula, which would technically mean they follow a set list of rules to be what they are as a fighting game. Your games that are arena fighters and platinum fighters are the ones that deviated from these style of rules and either expanded on them or change them in ways to make their games come off different from what’s already in the market.
@@shufflebot9000 Like I said, I'm not being rude when I say this but if you don't bother to try something yourself then your opinion can't be taken seriously because you have no first hand experience, at least when it comes to talk about mechanics and the demands of the game. You could say you hate the art style and that would be valid, but to make a meaningful comment about a games systems, you need to actually sit and play it yourself. There was a time when only 2D fighters existed and then came the 3D fighters. There was a time when the Doom style of shooting games only existed or FPS and then came TPS. There are always deviations in the medium and people will continue to deviate and create new ways for games to be played. Core-A did a great cover of this explaining when Tenkaichi sits on the fighting game spectrum. The blue print will continue to be innovated and those games won't be any less valid just because they don't follow a norm.
3:37 aren’t you the same guy trying to convince people mk is a non competitive, party game?and advocating for the franchise to be removed from the competitive space so much so that you make it point to not even mention as one of the big 3 yet here you are in yet another video telling people to accept an arena anime fighter into the competitive space. In one of your previous videos with defending this game being competitive you said “if it has two health bars and a timer its a competitive fighter” yet mk is the party game and this one isnt?😐
You misheard. I didn't say having a health bar and a timer makes it a competitive fighting game, I said that makes it a fighting game. People were arguing that Sparking Zero isn't a fighting game at all and that is nonsense to me. Anything can be competitive which I've said multiple times, but because of the guessing games and lack of visual indicators or real mechanics to have standard fighting game battles (like a fireball clash) in MK1, it isn't a serious fighting game. It's designed almost as if it is a joke. I have advocated for its removal from the competitive scene because it does not pull numbers in at all which would indicate that it is played a lot less by competitive players (for obvious reasons) and more by casuals (for very obvious reasons). As a business, I don't know why you'd host a game like MK1 when it's been on life support since it's inception so from a business stand point it makes more sense for it to not be there and something else be in its place. I'm not telling people to accept anything. I'm giving my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I find it to be much more competitive than Mortal Kombat and I can outline multiple reasons why, but I did say before that Sparking Zero doesn't need the FGC since it's playerbase eclipses all of the major titles there (put together). MK1 is a joke of a fighting game. It has a ranked mode so competition will always be there, but when you have nonsensical mechanics that people still rage about because they can't make heads or tails of the design philosophy, calling it a party game is a fitting insult. That said, it's not a party game either since party games are fun. It's just a sh*t game.
I don't go to tournaments for regular fighting games so why would I go to EVO for it 😂 I make money on TH-cam which I've already done, thank you very much.
Official tournaments =/= Competitive. All it takes to be competitive is for enough people to take it seriously. Just like all it takes to be a fighting game is to be a game about and revolving around fighting (other players). Learn what words mean, chode.
My definition of a party game:
A game typically involving more than 2 players played in a casual environment meant to be played just for fun. They all have a degree of randomness to them.
Some examples:
- Mario Party
- Bomberman
- Smash Bros (more than two players with items and stage hazards on)
Definitely the type of game I can kick back and play, win or lose.
Dgaf if it's a party or not. Fuu'k em
Videl shooting ki blasts.
Yajirobe flying.
"Lore accurate".
Within reason and I stated in the video it's not as lore accurate as they made it out to be.
Couldn't agree more. This game is absolutely fantastic and also competitive. The what-ifs are definitely the best parts of the story mode as I'm extremely familiar with Dragon Ball as a whole, so the story mode didn't bother be too much. It's like you said; it allows me to get to the interesting parts more quickly.
I'm currently B4 with #18 (with kienzan skill), Scouter Vegeta, third slot tends to be a rotating character but it usually is Baby or Caulifla and last is Mr. Satan. I'm really happy with Scouter Vegeta. Nobody expects the big monkey and doesn't know what to do, and I'm only getting better with the giants. Baby has the monkey too but it's not as easy to enter. Scouter Vegeta can just become monkey but Baby has to transform twice before. #18 is one of my favourites from the show and her constant refilling energy means I can always be aggressive plus her kienzan is unblockable. Satan is just there fill a slot and as a health bank/tag out but I've gotten better at him too.
I just love this game. Been playing so much that I'm barely play Tekken despite there's a battle pass that I could complete.
I main Hit & Vegito, and also a 3 man team of Sword Trunks, 17 & Videl, I love this game, and I too am close to the A Ranks with my teams. However, I might lean more towards single battles instead of DP matches due to the many exploits people have discovered, I just won’t deal with that.
A party game to me is something like a wwe2k game, where you can brawl with multiple players at the same time. I remember having hell in a cell matches with 4 of us in the same room. It was pure chaos and fun. With regards to sparking zero I've never played an arena fighter, and I am having so much fun with this game. I suck right now, but I've never rage quit 😂😂.
It’s also ok to like 2 things at once. I know it’s a hard concept to grasp😂
When people think competitive in a sense of todays games they mean. It having offical tournaments, prizing, and routine patches and changes.
They would prefer it stay as is like how fighting use to drop before the scene expanded.
Patches and changes to characters is someone that takes a lot off casuals out of games. I took the time to learn this specifically, now it fuctions diffetent or just doesnt work. It also turns a game into a chore.
I think patching things that are deliberately overpowered or underpowered is fine and I think have competitions is healthy, but it doesn't need to follow the conventional model of the FGC.
@@RealMikeHollow Thats a fair point, but i just hope they do not go overboard.
This game is a lot of fun and if you’re a DB fan, then you can see that this was made with a lot of love for the franchise. The animations are incredible. It does have its flaws like every game but overall it’s a good time.
The what-ifs are cool and I like how you could actually use in game currency earned from just playing the game to buy characters. Of course there’s dlc, but you don’t immediately have to break out the cash to pay for Zeni or characters with your own money.
I main ADULT gohan super Saiyan 2 and all I wanna do is progress. Win or lose, I'm having fun with it.
So I just got to Z rank (in singles) on stream a few hours ago, and man. The game can be fun, but there are some mechanics I really, REALLY don't like.
The biggest one by far is super counters. There is not a single thing about that mechanic that I can say is well designed. It's a completely random X factor that determines entire games, costs nothing, and can be spammed. Almost every match I had, every single one of my combos got super countered at some point in them.
The other thing I really don't like is how much they buffed sparking mode from the original. You can infinitely spam ki blasts in it while also being immune to enemy ki blasts and use a super in it while still maintaining it (meaning you can do a super and STILL have enough time to do an ultimate). Plus moves that put you in spark shouldn't have a knockback wave. And of course, the unblockable ults are just obnoxious.
Then there's cheaters just rage quitting their way up the ranks, which is a whole other can of worms.
Like I said, it can be fun, but the higher ranks are literally nothing but cheesers and rage quitters and it kind of ruined my experience. More than likely never going to play ranked again.
Oh and of course, afterimage strike needs to be nerfed into the ground. You also shouldn't have a faster skill gauge charge rate for losing lmao that's actually so stupid
@@SoapyBowlTotally agree but I think afterimage strike should be balanced around the weaker character’s primarily cause I have 0 idea why vegito has that skill. It should cost him like 4 points at the very least
This makes sense that people are quitting their way into higher ranks, I’ve fought people at C rank who are better than players at A rank
Super counters are fine, true combos are not fun to be on the receiving end of, and more defensive mechanics makes for a more competitive environment. There should be a penalty for the rage-quitters though. Fuck them.
@@SoapyBowlafterimage strike is easy af to deal with strictly because of sparking skills and sparking itself. But even then, it’s easy without it.
Gameplaywise, it's basically Tenkaichi 4, so it's everything I ever wanted. I think vanish should cost more ki though. Like a full bar of ki. Keeping the window lenient gives you a reason to use it over super counter but there should be a price for that leniency.
Brother once you get good at super counters, that shit is also free, defense I feel needs a little tweaking. Defense is so good a gogeta will have a hard time not getting stalled out by a (key word ->) good yajirobi.
@@ColonCommander Super counter should cost a skill point to use. The timing is super tight, so it isn't as free as vanish. Especially in an online match. The fact that you can get lucky and mash out of somebody's combo for free is a little silly, though.
My biggest criticism of the game at the moment is that at c - b ranks, every match seems to be - someone gets back shots, the defender super counters, that turns into a vanish counter off. Everything reverts back to a vanish off. I think maybe super counters shouldn't be vanish / z-counterable, and maybe make them a bit harder to do? Maybe something like killer instincts combo breaker where you only get one chance per combo or something.
The main thing that stop me from getting this game is its pricing and its balance.
I am truly happy for those that are enjoying the game tho!
balance u mean Yamcha can fight on par with Gogeta SS4? Nope i prefer the game as it is
@@DarkVenimage And I am really happy you enjoy the game for what it is!
@@DarkVenimageLike yajirobi can hang with ssj4 Gogeta, yeah keep things how they are.
11:20 Super Vegito finally faces judgment for his crimes
I have over 100 hours into this game and haven't had this much love and enjoyment in a fighting game since KOF13
those combos looking juicy
I think this game is fun but I think it’s missing sum qol features that would make it better like more training settings and saving your settings. Or as you talked about the vanishing battles😂 I also think perception needs a cost increase ngl yea you can throw or step around them but I still think it’s pretty brain dead regardless, cross play would help also ps5 matchmaking takes longer then most games
The people saying party game are just sf/tekken/frame data nerds being mad
Eat this big bang attack im buying this tonight, your word is good enough for me
If this game carries on in its current direction, it will die off very fast, with the rage quitters, the disappointment of local multiplayer, the lack of offline content, repetitive gameplay, and no crossplay in 2024 is CRAZY
I’ve already seen a lot of people on Reddit saying they wish they never bought the game and that’s it’s only worth £40 at most for the amount of content it offers, and they’re still playing it now because they just invested money into it and it’s still new, but man once they inevitably call it a day for this game, it is gonna tank hard
was waiting for this video from you. i think my opinions line up with yours pretty well and so i value your opinions on these new releases a lot
Thank you, sir ☝🏾
I think from a competitive standpoint the game is just like every other fighting game, single battle consists of literally SS4 Gogeta, UI Goku, Full power jiren, Gogeta blue and now Super Vegito afterimage spammers. The game is very easy to pick up as intended but from a competitive perspective I think the game should have slightly more balancing to create a higher skill gap
I wish afterimage strike didn't last 15 whole seconds. That's a long ass time. Maybe 5 or 10 seconds would be enough.
I think singles is probably worse for competitive, but dp the meta is stalling for sure which I’m not sure is better so 😅
@@Xenoxion I main vegito and I’ll be honest Afterimage is definitely busted but without it he’s useless, he has no offense
@@ForeverPolo__ I wouldn't say they had to remove it but maybe reduce it to 10 seconds. It just feels like a lot to get physical immunity for 15 seconds with no activation animation.
I've made SO mant comebacks to the first theme in the video. I lived and breathed BT2 as a kid.
Haha Lost Courage was the one.
So, I like to think I came up with this fast enough that if put on the spot I might have been able to answer, but I would have needed a moment to think about it. Regardless, the answer I come up with was, "Games that are fighting game adjacent that feature competitive gameplay but do not hold high level competitive play as a focus of the game's design." By "adjacent" I mean "they are fighting games, but the kind that are distinct from "real" fighting games," so I realize now that term is redundant here, I only use it because it was used in another video, I think the Diaphone one about whether or not this game is tournament viable. It was used in reference to, IIRC, a Core A Gaming video about that topic. All of which is to say, this isn't a new conversation, just the latest iteration of it. The question boils down to, "how seriously should we take this games competitive scene?" Highly subjective, but NOT entirely subjective.
In the case of Sparking Zero, I think it's unreasonable to completely dismiss it, but also silly to take it too seriously. Frankly, I think that even people that claim Smash isn't a fighting game need their heads checked, but the description of party game suits that game better at least. It's designed with the items, number of players, and stages to act as RNG components of the game. Competition being about who are the most consistent, best players, means that the core design of Smash is antithetical to competitive play... yet it still works, because the game is that good. The competitive has to strip a lot of the games for elements to make it work though: not items, few stages, and either 1v1 or 2v2 team battle with friendly fire on (to reduce the possibility of a person getting randomly team juggled to death, makes it more impressive when it does occur because it requires precise spacing). Like it or not, Smash is part of the FGC and is many people's entry into the genre/ tournaments in general.
None of those elements are present in Sparking Zero. All you do is fight. Claiming this isn't a fighting game is weird and cringe, say what you are trying to say better, and while you are at it do it in a way that isn't transparently trying to de- legitimize the game. All you are doing is making your own opinion seem Illegitimate and ridiculous, y'all look like clowns and you make the whole FGC look bad, stop it. You can say that character balance and competitive viability are not priorities for the designers, and that's fine, it's something we can all agree on, since that's literally based on the devs statements. But in case you haven't noticed, the game is HARD. Defense is hard, combos actually can be kinda tight in some situations, and the mechanics are actually really well balanced to give combat a nice flow that leaves you feeling like you've still got a chance. And Mike already went into depth as to why the character balance argument is worthless, shoot he didn't even mention Smash and the Bayonetta evo incident, or how reminiscent that situation is of current Dragunov.
Now, with all of that said: I don't think this game is tournament viable, and not for any reason I've heard from anybody else. I think it's not viable from the T.O. side. Imagine, if you would, a SZ tournament: what's the format? Do we play on single consoles and only play time chamber? That's kinda lame, and will get old, but the bigger problem is that it throws the standard rules for team building out the window. Do we play one character? 3? Do we calculate points to make it the same as online? On top of all that, split screen makes the game strange to play, there are some moments where it's hard to see because of the limited screen space. Plus, abilities like solar flare are a lot less useful when you can just look at the other screen.
So HTC presents a lot of problems, which means ideally the tournament would be run online. This means, inherently, that you have half as many setups, and that all of them have to be connected to strong internet. Its a T.O.'s worst nightmare, I imagine. THAT'S why I don't think we'll see a tournament scene for this game pop off, not because the game isn't good enough or whatever, all of that could be patched. But the issues I listed have no real solutions, even if they made an offline mode that was robust, playing the game split screen is gonna mess with people.
That's way too long for anyone to read bro.
@@NarcoticDimension I hate comments like this, just don't read it and move on. I'm perfectly aware and acknowledge that I make long posts, but you are wrong, people frequently surprise me with how much they are willing to read and respond to. I'm even frequently thanked for being willing to make long, thought out posts. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it, but don't waste people's time with this, it's weird to try and normalize having the shortest attention span possible.
@@erichthegraham way too long a reply, not gonna read bro
@@NarcoticDimension you are wrong.
That better?
@@erichthegraham no im not.
Just with the price in my country wasn't the equivalent of buying a console in the US.
Damn, that's crazy. It's £59.99 in the UK.
@@RealMikeHollow 282,50 brl for the basic version, 404,90 for deluxe.
Min wage here is 1412,00 a month
@@GS_CCC for reference the standard edition costs the equivalent of 408.34 brl and min wage is roughly 13,592.26brl a month (calculated as 160 hours a month) in the uk so 3% of minimum wage per month in the uk
for you it is 20% of minimum wage so it is roughly 6.5x the relative cost
I plan to get the game but not before those OG Tombraiders or not before Marvel vs Capcom collection of games .
Tekken 8 is like Tombraider to me I've always been impressed with 3D graphics
It needs Arale 🤣 🤣 🤣
Nightmare fuel 😂
@@RealMikeHollow Indeed good sir 😂
Been having fun as a D5 Kakunsa in player matches lol.
I've never even seen her being played before haha.
A2 kakunsa Main here SHES SO FUN but 5 cost is a bit to much
@@Isagi35 yeah but she also has insta-sparking for 3 bars lol. Playing her & Yamcha team wolf
Personally I just play casuals. It's hard to find matches on Xbox so I'm playing with friends online. My mains are Vegito, DBS Broly and Jiren.
This game literally has so much content as well, I love that you can do so much with the episode battles, custom, what ifs and online
Aye, im on Xbox too lmao
@@marlinmurrell620 It's a nightmare to find matches on Xbox lmao
@@JustinJohnson-vc1gr Yeah. It does take a while to find a match.
If you wanna play sometime, my username is DubbleM02
People be losing and call it a party game lol
is the theme at around 9 minutes the namek theme from one of the older games?
Yup, that's the one. Also known as Challengers.
People love crying about everything lol 😂 glad you’re enjoying the game like millions of others! I love it.
Yeah, man. It's a great game. Dunno why people are hating from outside of the club 😂
If they add ssj4 gohan or ssj3 goku black from Heroes, its a wrap lmao. I need to get in on these SHAMBOLIC SHOWDOWNS too!!
😂😂 I'm waiting on Evil Aura Vegeta. That'll be so sick 😂
outro was fire
Thank you, sir 🙏🏾
Hopefully this game is supported for a long time cause i wont be able to get it any time soon, but theres one thing im curious about, what is the music like? More specifically is the ssj3 soundtrack in it
I initially I thought the games music was mid but you can unlock tracks and they're really good. I just don't like how they're not tied to stages and you have to keep selecting them.
I love this game. I just wish that the ost was better. Maybe we'll be able to buy the Tenkaichi 2 ost as a music pack.
As a new player this game is pretty frustrating, but I know it’s because I’m not “there” yet.
As with all fighting games, brother. No doubt you'll start crushing fools ☝🏾
As a new player this was probably the easiest game to rank up in if you use Vegito, some afterimage strike character, and broly 😅. I had to stop playing them since I really wanted to play with some other characters and my rank did not reflect my skill level.
@@ColonCommander bro I don’t know what any of that means
People can be hype abbout Power Stone but mad about Sparking Zero . . . POWER STONE!
Power Stone should definitely come back.
Man listen I run 3 giants with afterimage gods and yajirobe no fun allowed 💪🏻
Lmao this man's a criminal.
Goku super,vegeta super, roshi and yamcha my fav team
every time my opponent quit, i always text them asking why they rage quit and if the fusions are the rage quitters, i talk shit to them😂😂. mind you, i main Tapion, Bergamo and Bardock.
As a preface, I am saying this as an OG player:
First off, the DBZ arena fighters are party games. Balance is very much a non factor. That's not to say it's bad/good. That's just a fact.
Having said that, yes - literally anything can be competitive. However, you are missing the point, which is just because something CAN be competitive doesn't mean it SHOULD be.
If memory serves me correctly, the creator of Smash flat out said the franchise wasn't meant to be competitive. Obviously, people did their own thing. Is it entertaining? Yes. Is it still goofy to take it seriously due to the intentional lack of balance? Also yes.
Lastly, the changes you are asking for near the end in regards to things being overpowered/underpowered are what WOULD start to make the game ACTUALLY geared towards being (properly) competitive. This is what people want to avoid.
The BT/Sparking games of DBZ are the "Smash" games of the franchise. They are not meant to be taken seriously and that's ok. Yes - some folks are still going to want to turn it into a super serious competition, and that's also ok. However, don't act surprised when people call it goofy to do so.
I don't think the creators of SF2 intended for it and the sequels they would go on to make for it to be competitive. But it ended up being the case, and people love it. Developer intent doesn't mean shit. If people want to make something competitive, they'll do so, and if enough people do so, a scene will grow around it.
I also don't wanna here shit about balance. Just look at Marvel to see why that's a stupid argument.
If the overwhelming majority of the scene want tournaments for it (away from the FGC) then it's competitive. If the overwhelming majority of the scene are referring to it as a fighting game as well as legacy players, then it's a fighting game. Poor balance does not mean the game isn't competitive or that it's a party game cos if that's the case then Marvel Vs Capcom is a party game lol.
The changes I am asking for is for the sake of fun. There are characters like Jiren in this game that are monstrous and nobody's calling for his nerf despite his overwhelming power. The nerf to Yajirobe is because it's a painful experience and it's not fun.
I'm not surprised when people call it goofy. I expected it. I'm just here to argue back against it. I'm happy to entertain the conversations because I find the talking points interesting and a lot of the time, if I'm being honestly, very goofy.
@@RealMikeHollow In regards to your first bit, I am not saying this isn't a fighting game or able to be played competitively. For those that are saying that, I THINK they are choosing the wrong words and mean to say something akin to my original statement here. Needless to say, you would have to ask them. Aside from that, yes - MvC is a party game assuming it's balance is also intentionally absurd. I'm not sure what pointing to something else like that was supposed disprove anything I've said.
In regards to your middle portion, while I can't argue against "fun" due to the subjective nature of it, I will argue that what you are asking for is more for the sake of balance rather than said fun (unless they go hand in hand for you of course). Balance is not what people want here in the party fighting game.
Lastly, I would strongly urge you to look OUTSIDE the competitive scene and personal audience due to your use of "overwhelming majority" that implies most people want this to be regularly patched, buffed, nerfed, etc. as with more inherently serious fighting games. Most people do not want this. On the contrary, most people are looking at the discussion surrounding this trying to figure out what this "overwhelming majority" is smoking.
@@darkchaozbringer785 MvC is competitive and has shit balance they aren't mutually exclusive, that was the point in bringing it up. The game is a fighting game not a party game and the balance is ass.
Sparking is kinda balanced on the low. I'm not that deep into it to be fair but I've seen too many instances of yajirobes beating SSJ4 Gogetas on these innanets. Best believe we gonna one and done out here same way though
Damn you were whooping azz with cell and hit, I wasn’t even listening to the vid lol
Bruv, im on steamdeck and apparently i cant play online unless its against another linux user. every match i try to play gives me a connection error. im very sad
Damn, is this a known issue?
@@RealMikeHollow Sadly yes. i dunno if its a problem that''ll be fixed in the patches but im praying it does.
Seems very easy to rank up as well
Cos it's new it's easy to run into people that are new and farm points, but the ranking system is pretty decent.
Much better than Tekken 8, Harada can shove his ‘apology’
I bought sparking zero yesterday,time on budukai tenkaichi 4 will be well spent.😊
That's your opinion not a fact
Yet Tekken 8 is still living rent free in your head lmao, stay on speaking zero you won’t be missed
Definitely isn't better but the game is great.
Not to much
minimizing sensu i agree but both that and health is too much if that’s the case then buff one or both blast 2 super to do at least 10,000 or close to it as possible
People who probably aren't that good at the game say they can't do anything against giants dashing at them. Is Revenge Counter or Super Perception a legit answer to that problem? They think there's LITERALLY nothing to do about it and you just have to die to it.
I've found a couple of ways around it but I've found it can be character specific or you just need to vanish but that can be easier said than done.
@@RealMikeHollow I see. So is a giant dashing at you basically a death sentence or nah?
@@mikeestill1672 nah it's not a death sentence. I've gotten out of it. It can be annoying but there's ways around it.
@@RealMikeHollow Okay, yeah. I thought so. I was in some dude's comments and he's saying there's nothing you can do about it. I don't think there's ever a case where you're literally trapped and have to hold it until you die.
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Giants in BT3 are all bad, save for Hirudegarn I think being mid, and Baby Ape being above average just because his strings are faster than the average giant.
I think hit cost way too much DP. I didn't think he was that special. Should've def cost 6 dp
Yeah, I don't think he's that amazing but I just like the time skip stuff. I think they'll probably adjust the DP stuff in the future.
@RealMikeHollow but time skip is just instant transmission. Trust me I love hit just as much as the next but I can't justify spending 8 dp on him. I would love somebody to prove me wrong though
Not hating on this game and glad its doing well. Thought about maybe buying it but decided to watch some streamers first and im already checked out unfortunately lol.personal preference ofcourse but the game is just to same-ish from a spectating perspective,mix that with so many copy paste animation sequences and its just a recipe to put me to sleep. Was more entertained with afrosenju commentary while playing than the actual game. I hope this game stands the test of time,more options are always positive for content.
In my eyes, Sparking Zero is a single-player game. I think its VERY clear that it wasn't the devs intention to make the game competitive.
I tried watching a tournament the other day and it was just so boring to me. The game just doesn't work competitively in my honest opinion.
Even if you don't think it's a competitive game, how can you see it as a single player game when in order to play it beyond story mode you need to play with people? At the very least you'd see it as a non-competitive multiplayer game, no?
DB Sparking Zero is semi-competive game, because it’s not just a single player game but a fighting game, a fighting animé arena fighting game. it will have competive espects, with rank online as other fighing games.
It’s not my opinion it’s a fact. When I go in online rank in Sparking zero I’m there to win and have fun at same time but I’m there to win the objective. if I’m losing the match I’m not gonna make it easy because I’m going to try turn it around to secure my Win. Just like in MK 1, SF6, and Tekken8. I don’t like losing in any fighting game, which it’s gonna be competive. I don’t think nobody does. it’s human nature, lol. We aré competitive by nature. Some might not care , or some less but let’s speak the truth between us, we like winning, lol. It’s all fun and games when we winning.
@RealMikeHollow Yea if I was typing a longer comment I would say something like that. Playing it casually with friends is super cool. I do it sometimes with my roommates, but typically, I beat story mode in video-games and move on.
@@ZolPsyko I’m a Dragon ball fan all my life since little, that owned most of the DB games and personally not me, as a big fan after I finish the story arcs in DB Sparking Zero I will continue playing the game for years, because it’s very good and they did us a big fan service with the roster. Well I’m not a Kasual, I’m not a pro player neither so I’m gonna say I’m just a regular DB fan and player of its game. Like with Mortal Kombat I’m a big fan and I stay playing it’s game, sometimes take a break but I never fully leave it.
Also I can see your just a Kasual player that just plays a game than leaves it for another game because gets bored fast and that don’t play competitively but just smash bottoms for fun playing than move to the next, so it’s normal for you to find it boring. But as someone that plays fighting games all my life and enjoys a good competitive fight, Sparking zero is competitive enough for me to have fun and enjoy my journey ranking up. It’s as competitive as MK 1.
I’m trying to love this game… it’s so close to being great, but single players not grabbing me too much. I wanna play rank and that experience is full of one and done/ rage quit/ weird glitches. Idk… I need to play more but rn I need something to hook me, hook me.
I’m happy I have a friend who has it (on the same platform cause no cross play) who can run casuals and breaths life into the game.
If I didn’t have my boi then I’d probably put this down and just go back to SF.
Not trying to convince anyone to not get this. Just had to rant about my feelings on this game. Happy people love it and got their game
The game is a solid 6 outta 10 fun offline horrible online
Ranked is meaningless in this game.
It's meaningless to you. Not to me lol.
@@RealMikeHollow If you enjoy sweating on an unbalanced party game, then sure. Go have fun. Skipping to A ranks doesn’t mean anything, though.
Lol, party games are 4 player +. Super Counter out of vanishing chains.
I think it's just as silly to be upset that people are competitive in this game as it is to think the game is a "party game" just because it doesn't fit the FGC norm. Just have fun, however you have it.
So you really didn’t mention how the game is deleting peoples save data smh
Because I was talking about my experience. This video wasn't covering the various glitches and short comings of the game. I said that I didn't cover everything in this video.
Bro this game is thee exact same way two mistakes and you're done
P.s this is a party game for sure
That's not true at all. You can escape basically every situation including having your back turned. As long as you can time the counter, you'll escape and reset the neutral.
Input delay= inconsistent inputs
Party game = i cant take this fighting game seriously
While im sitting here thinking why someone should take a game seriously
😂😂😂 very good point haha.
@@RealMikeHollow its my biggest philosophical discourse in all of video game history
It's a dragon ball game one of the best I might add and I'm going to be honest Tekken online is not as fun. Mortal Kombat is abysmal we ain't even going to go there.
I got to mention there's sweats in every fighting game but the tryhards in dragon Ball make me feel young bro it makes me feel like I'm hanging out with my homies running the mits. My old group of friends got the game at the same time we've been running sets since we got the game. Like a blast from the past.
So people are some wanna get better ??? That’s insane this my first dbz since p2 ,I learn fast not my fault plus I like doin advanced shit I’m not a try hard just good.. I’m saying the politics nowadays are ridiculous
Not to mention it’s better then mk 😂 who woulda made a non fg with no defensive mechanics (mk) 😓
i’ve never heard of people playing a video game at parties ,,wtf is a party game B
Mario Party, Mario Kart, Pokémon Stadium. Things like those with little mini games in them for everyone to enjoy.
@@RealMikeHollow are those not called family friendly games anymore? i might be out the loop
Well, family friend can account for a lot of things that aren't necessarily a party game. Sparking Zero is technically family friendly as well
@@RealMikeHollow i got you,i just dont see the difference in the terms when being used in different situations.Preciate the understanding
You never been a little kid and played Tekken 3 for hours at a friend's house during a birthday? Never went to an LAN party to play Halo?
Being family friendly can be a bonus but let's not pretend that we didn't play Mortal Kombat, GTA or Gears of War 1 vs 1 at sleepovers.
I'm not saying that these games don't have depth, but that they benefit a lot from being easy to drop into especially if they have local multiplayer.
More players the better and the natural conclusion is turn based games where less controllers are needed (some Wii Sports) or just high counts like FIFA or whatever it is called now.
super counter is so bad it works sometimes but i love this game so so much
OK, I really try not to comment on most of your videos because I understand most of the stuff is just an opinion, but when it comes to the fighting game logic here I genuinely believe you’re playing devils advocate and purposely being ignorant to the definition of what a party game is. This would technically be classified a party game because it doesn’t follow traditional values of what the actual fighting game plays. Most fighting games don’t let you use assistance so casually. And if they do, there’s usually a punishment or cool down section so that way you can’t just abuse, switching characters because you refused to lose the match. There are certain ones that are classified team fighting games like your Marvel versus Capcom Dragon Ball fighters and so on so forth But the way you call in these characters in this game is more like if you were calling in one of your Homies tag you went like it was a WWE game. It’s the way that the execution is not because of how you feel about the game the same log it can be used with smash Bros or smash and other platform fighting games are viewed as party games because you can play multiple people on one screen and there may be some kind of item involved but in reality, you don’t have to play with the items you can turn them off and it gives you an option to actually play the core mechanics of the game instead of having an extra interferences which is why the smash community is adamant on saying it is a genuine fighting game. The games are balanced, and they make sense based off the characters and what their attributes are a game like Dragon Ball, Budakai, and or sparking zero doesn’t follow that at all it’s all based off of whatever the comic manga was and the anime series not based off of your number is a mathematics that would allow somebody to accurately come up with combos to fight their opponent. It’s a button mass get online with your friends and have all the fun in the world reminiscing over Dragon Ball that’s the point of this game. Not to be looked at like the next big Evo challenge or something that’s gonna be at whatever major gaming event that’s coming up in the years. Personally, I believe a lot of you are so unsatisfied in your gaming experience that you honestly don’t know what you want from a game you see something you think you like it and then it’s not exactly what you want and then you either justify it and somebody to make it work for you or you complain about it so far this year that’s literally been the gist of every fighting game that’s come out in someway shape or form and honestly not even just fighting games all games. The majority of you people don’t understand what you want for entertainment. You just want to be entertained. a lot to say, but sometimes you can’t hold back what needs to be said. You’re better than that Mike
It would not technically be classed as a party game and it's not registered under that genre anywhere you look. It is just people that have played TRADITIONAL fighting games that are classing it as such. As someone that has grown up playing both sides consistently, this is 100% a fighting game, just not a traditional one.
Firstly, there is a cool down system in this game when you switch characters which is highlighted next to your health bar in a small yellow icon. The cool down is actually greater than that of the Marvel vs Capcom series which is regarded as a traditional fighting game. The fact that you chose that as a talking point whilst acknowledging that it is something that happens in MvC is bizarre. How is it different here when the cool down is greater?
I have to agree with the Smash community. Smash is a fighting game. A platform fighting game. It offers multiple modes of play but in tournament, it is stripped down to its core feature which is the fighting and that is why it was able to be at the biggest events for fighting games for many years and has sustained a big scene by following this format.
To be clear, I've been playing the Tenkaichi (Sparking) series since they were released back in 2005 as well as playing the traditional fighting games. A lot of people commenting have barely played either, or are just watching Sparking from the outside, having never touched it. I can tell you that button mashing in this game will get you destroyed very quickly. If you don't believe me, borrow a copy from a friend, hop online and start mashing all the buttons you want and see how far it gets you. The fact that there are very few true combo routes in this game and that it relies on reads and mind games should tell you that simply slamming your face into the pad will get you parried and thrown around the stage.
Respectfully, because I have played all kinds of fighting games from 2D to 3D to Arena, I can confidently say that not only is this a solid fighting game but I'd happily meet you online to prove how much of a button masher this is not. I'm sure your opinion will quickly change when you realise that you can't land a clean hit or go for a follow up without engaging with the many mechanics present.
@@RealMikeHollow I know you probably assume most of the people here are young, but I’m in my 30s Dawg), so I’ve been playing these games just as long as you if not longer. So I am speaking from experience when I speak my points here you’ve made it very clear in your points you understand some of the words that are being said, but it’s like you refuse to accept their definitions for what they are. For example, the word traditional means things that have been going on for either longer than a decade or a millennia, tradition. So people saying that this is not the traditional fighting game is literally all their meeting by that they’re not trying to say nothing special and nothing quirky. It’s simply stating the fact that this is not your traditional fighting game as many people for some reason try to claim it is.
Also in regards to button mashing, I’m not saying, literally just going through your face with the controller as somebody who’s trying to learn the game if you’re just on playing with your friends and you could care less about what the move list is as most casual who play fighting games respond to him That’s literally what they’re acting are gonna be. They’re just gonna go on to start pressing buttons all over the place, unlike you myself and other people who actually take fighting games to a certain level of seriousness for what they are. We are the ones to sit down and take the time to learn these things. They aren’t as casual players so yes, the majority people would just be on here but matching not really thinking about what the combos are doing or anything of that nature about hard reads and trying to Perry and Dodge they just want the W. I’m glad you at least can relate on the smash tip because as somebody who has been a competitive player of smash Brothers for over 14 years that has been one of my biggest arguments against people in the FGC who would always try to dog the game, not being a real fighting game Cause as soon as I get to arguing about it, they’re the first ones to not want to get on the sticks and actually prove their point. And that same argument is what motivated me to pick up other fighting games overall and a competitive sense.
Now to finish this part, this game may feel like a solid game to you with the mechanics. It needs to be a fruitful game, but clearly other people don’t feel like that, and you questioning them, trying to understand their logic by kinda down putting their logic doesn’t really help the conversation at hand. At the end of the day is simply boils down to people needing to take the time to learn what the game is asking and not just going balls to the wall because new game and we’re all excited to do something different all I’m saying is from what the discourse is and from my experience with the style of Dragon Ball games these games definitely fall under a more casualize party vibe style of fighting games and many people just simply aren’t satisfied with what they thought they were gonna get because they either don’t understand the franchise because they haven’t played it in so long or they were reading something and misunderstood what they were reading and got excited over jack shit nothing
@@shufflebot9000 Yeah and despite me NEVER referring to this as a "traditional fighter" and consistently referring to it as an "Arena Fighter" for some reason people keep acting like I am making out like this is a traditional fighter lol. Its puzzling. There is not a slither of footage nor is there a comment where I called Sparking Zero a traditional fighting game and if there is, I would like to be pointed to it. Ultimate Ninja Storm, Budokai, J-Stars, Demon Slayer... None of these are traditional fighting games but they are all still fighting games. It's not that I don't understand definitions, it's that people continue to make up things to further these discussions but I hope this has helped to dispell the notion that I ever referred to Sparking Zero as a traditional fighting game.
So, wait, you acknowledge Smash as a legit fighting game but you don't Sparking Zero? Now I'm very confused lol.
No, unfortunately you are mistaken. Majority of people do feel like this is a fruitful fighting game. It is a miniscule amount of people (mostly coming from the FGC) that don't. I only entertain the conversation because I find the mindset very bizarre, but just to be clear, the overwhelming majority of people recognize this as a legit fighting game. Not a traditional one, but a legit one. There are a high number of people in the FGC playing this game and its only a fraction of them (a very tiny one) that are dissatisfied and think its a party game. I will continue to question the logic because its very easy to pick apart, but it may be pointless considering the scope of this game and the fact that most people just don't agree with your mindset. That said, I do try to keep it respectful and I'm not speaking down to anyone, I'm just entertaining the argument. There's some really cool, big tournaments taking place for it now that are being run by the community and so if the community wants to take it down the competitive route and the numbers are there, nobody can really tell them anything... Much like the Smash scene.
@@RealMikeHollow so to the first section of that I unfortunately had to say they’ll never get it so we just gonna keep praying for em. I hope the good Lord and save their minds lol
Into the second piece of this no I actually don’t share any mindset of sparking zero being a party game, I just happen to understand where that dumb argument is coming from about it being a party game, even though technically is not. I personally am the kind of person where if you can Perry combo on many levels, including touch of death combos Perry said combos have good counter options to evade strikes and have amazing movement options example melees option to wave dash, L cancel, moonwalk, haxdash as some examples that I think you got yourself a good concoction for an amazing time and some good competitive fighting. One game for example I enjoy playing a lot is called ninjala on the Nintendo switch and even though it plays, just like an arena fighter or kinda like how Fortnite would play the game is solely based around fighting has combos you can execute as different forms of weapons you can choose from as far as combat options go has somewhat of a balance system, and has really amazing solid movement options to help you tackle your opponent. And even though the game is mainly played with up to eight players or sometimes 12 you can play the game in a PVP manner and still have just as much fun as if you were playing with the group similar to the idea of smash being four players are up to eight players versus PVP.
And in all, I want to see Dragon Ball sparkling zero succeeded as a game that can ride a wave smash Brothers melee did all these years later and I want it to be able to be on the same stage as street fighter and tekken when it comes to the tournament scene. But in order for that to happen, we definitely need to have people be more willing to learn the game and not try to use it for just I wanna have fun for five minutes and do nothing else right now. Those people with that kind of voice are screaming the loudest and that’s why everything‘s in shambles. Hopefully you genuinely understood where I was coming from. I don’t think I’m just trying to hold some random empty argument. That’s the one thing I hate when it comes to online discourse in general everybody has something to say, but ain’t nobody actually saying nothing.
No, you're being disingenuous as to the definition of the fighting game genre and pretending it only refers to a specific Subgenre. YOU don't know what you're talking about, and because of it, you think everyone else is talking about something they simply aren't.
And to add a further point. Everything you named off that you can do in sparking zero as far as hard reads and all that other stuff with perries and counter hits has been in every other traditional fighting game since fighting games have come out just about. From third strike to smash Brothers melee smash Brothers ultimate to Marvel versus Capcom to King of fighters to Mortal Kombat all the way down to games like guilty gear, school girls, blaze, blue, etc. I’ll give you the option to have a good comeback if you understand how to hard read your opponent and make the right decisions to not get hit or get stuck in a combo of yourself. That’s a really poor argument to use trying to defend this game from people saying it’s a party game. The reason why we’re saying it’s a party game again is because it gives you the opportunity to literally play with multiple people and multiple sessions that you don’t do in other fighting games these are the mechanics you usually see and party games like the ones you named off Mario party Mario kart bomber man even, I understand you wanted to defend this game to the high heavens but come on now just like how everybody wants to say smash Brothers is a party game technically Dragon Ball sparking zero is also a party game with options to be competitive if you understand what the rules that should be
Firstly, have you sat down and played this game? Whilst you can pick up and play with any character you do need to find your mains and see how things work with them or if you play someone competent, you're gonna lose. It really sounds like you're just echoing things you've heard online and you've never actually touched this game before. Your comment is even more indication of that because you missed my point. Yes, you can do all of those things in a traditional fighting game, but in this game there are very few true combo situations so in order to execute an effective gameplay, you cannot just press on your opponent or you'll die for it. In Tekken, if you get launched thats it. You have to watch what's going to happen and if it happens again, you're done. In Sparking thats not the case. I would highly encourage you to play something before commenting or at the very least understand the mechanics.
There are no set rules of what a fighting game should be and its certainly not those set by traditional fighting games. We can see something and evaluate whether its a proper fighting game or not and I can confidently say this is and it does not sit in the realms of a party game.
@@RealMikeHollow and respond to this comment I’m not echoing anything I’ve seen online because I don’t follow the discorse on what people have to say I’m a grown ass adult that can formulate my own opinion based off the things that I’ve seen from the developers and the people who are actually actively on the game themselves. It would be nice if someone of your caliber wouldn’t be so cocky talking to people who are just simply trying to have a conversation. But I assume that’s just how you guys talk overseas in general and lastly is very bold of you to say there are no set rules of what fighting games should be when the past 30 years of fighting games almost all follow the same formula, which would technically mean they follow a set list of rules to be what they are as a fighting game. Your games that are arena fighters and platinum fighters are the ones that deviated from these style of rules and either expanded on them or change them in ways to make their games come off different from what’s already in the market.
@@shufflebot9000 Like I said, I'm not being rude when I say this but if you don't bother to try something yourself then your opinion can't be taken seriously because you have no first hand experience, at least when it comes to talk about mechanics and the demands of the game. You could say you hate the art style and that would be valid, but to make a meaningful comment about a games systems, you need to actually sit and play it yourself.
There was a time when only 2D fighters existed and then came the 3D fighters. There was a time when the Doom style of shooting games only existed or FPS and then came TPS. There are always deviations in the medium and people will continue to deviate and create new ways for games to be played. Core-A did a great cover of this explaining when Tenkaichi sits on the fighting game spectrum. The blue print will continue to be innovated and those games won't be any less valid just because they don't follow a norm.
They can add more, "canon" characters but for the love of god dont add OC make a barbie characters. They take me out of experiene all the time bro...
3:37 aren’t you the same guy trying to convince people mk is a non competitive, party game?and advocating for the franchise to be removed from the competitive space so much so that you make it point to not even mention as one of the big 3 yet here you are in yet another video telling people to accept an arena anime fighter into the competitive space. In one of your previous videos with defending this game being competitive you said “if it has two health bars and a timer its a competitive fighter” yet mk is the party game and this one isnt?😐
You misheard. I didn't say having a health bar and a timer makes it a competitive fighting game, I said that makes it a fighting game. People were arguing that Sparking Zero isn't a fighting game at all and that is nonsense to me.
Anything can be competitive which I've said multiple times, but because of the guessing games and lack of visual indicators or real mechanics to have standard fighting game battles (like a fireball clash) in MK1, it isn't a serious fighting game. It's designed almost as if it is a joke. I have advocated for its removal from the competitive scene because it does not pull numbers in at all which would indicate that it is played a lot less by competitive players (for obvious reasons) and more by casuals (for very obvious reasons). As a business, I don't know why you'd host a game like MK1 when it's been on life support since it's inception so from a business stand point it makes more sense for it to not be there and something else be in its place.
I'm not telling people to accept anything. I'm giving my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I find it to be much more competitive than Mortal Kombat and I can outline multiple reasons why, but I did say before that Sparking Zero doesn't need the FGC since it's playerbase eclipses all of the major titles there (put together).
MK1 is a joke of a fighting game. It has a ranked mode so competition will always be there, but when you have nonsensical mechanics that people still rage about because they can't make heads or tails of the design philosophy, calling it a party game is a fitting insult. That said, it's not a party game either since party games are fun. It's just a sh*t game.
Competive my asss
Get ur facts right this game isnt on EVO so no matter how much better u get at this game
U will never make any money out of it
I don't go to tournaments for regular fighting games so why would I go to EVO for it 😂 I make money on TH-cam which I've already done, thank you very much.
Official tournaments =/= Competitive.
All it takes to be competitive is for enough people to take it seriously. Just like all it takes to be a fighting game is to be a game about and revolving around fighting (other players). Learn what words mean, chode.